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We had a longstanding appointment scheduled for this afternoon in Atlanta. I called yesterday to see if the appointment was still on, but got no answer. I called today and they said they'd move the appointment forward three hours. Still, that had us driving home in the afternoon. Join me below for the fun.

As we left the appointment, I could see that cars were crawling along the main road. We joined the crush and inched along in stop and go traffic. We finally got past the heavy traffic, but cars continued to crawl. I carefully pulled around the slower cars and cautiously gained some speed, nothing fancy though. I realized that people were driving much slower than the conditions allowed, and most frustrating of all, they had a tendency to brake just before the crest of a hill even though there was no car in front of them.

I saw a few cars along the way, abandoned with their emergency flashers on. We finally made it to the interstate and there, too, cars were crawling along. Traffic was heavy for a while, but then thinned, but still the cars crawled, emergency flashers going. One car tried a spiffy sports cars maneuver, but he used too much power and turned the wheel too sharply so he went into a prolonged skid before he got back under control.

I did see a few drivers with confidence moving along the far left lanes at a reasonable speed. I finally managed to find a break in the traffic where I could carefully accelerate. Occasionally someone else would pull into the lane in front of me and just poke along. I think they wanted to see no cars in their way. I carefully jockeyed around these obstacles, cursing the people riding slowly in the left lane inevitably braking at the crest of a hill.

All the stores and most fast food places are closed. Krispy Kreme is open and has HOT DONUTS, and of course Waffle House is open. Other than that, there's just horrible traffic for miles and miles.

As I neared home I decided to risk a secondary road, curves, hills and all. It was the best part of my trip. I went 5 MPH under the speed limit just to be careful, but that was faster than I'd seen most people going anywhere. I negotiated a curve and a steep hill with no problems. I did see another car abandoned for no apparent reason, but soon I was driving down the small hill above our driveway, stopping at the stop sign and pulling into the drive.

The TV news people are telling people to drive very slowly with their emergency flashers going on the interstates. The governor has declared a state of emergency. And the snow?. It still hasn't completely covered the grass. It's wet and slushy, but not too bad, and we're expecting temperatures in the upper 50s with rain for this weekend although tomorrow morning temps will be in the teens. They sure know how to get the most out of a little snow down here.

Originally posted to Lily O Lady on Tue Jan 28, 2014 at 03:15 PM PST.

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  •  Driving on snow is like driving on rain, only (10+ / 0-)

    more so.

    Signed, Hoosier victim of the polar vortex.

    When you come to find how essential the comfort of a well-kept home is to the bodily strength and good conditions, to a sound mind and spirit, and useful days, you will reverence the good housekeeper as I do above artist or poet, beauty or genius.

    by Alexandra Lynch on Tue Jan 28, 2014 at 03:24:50 PM PST

  •  There is nothing - well almost nothing - (18+ / 0-)

    more frightening than driving in an ice or snow storm in the South.

    I know you think you're hot spit for being good at it, but between people not knowing how to drive in snow and the fact that for the most part the roads are treated because municipalities in the South don't deal with freezing weather often enough to merit keeping the infrastructure to deal with icy/snowy roads, I have to say that you did a really foolish thing not changing that appointment.  You are lucky to be alive.

  •  Story from Alabama Today (27+ / 0-)

    Our niece called from east of Birmingham to tell us she was driving home from her office because there were snowflakes, and a possible 1/2 inch to an inch of snow.

    In Birmingham, trust me, this is apocalyptic.

    Trying to get onto the freeway, she got stuck behind a row of stalled cars. Seems the car in front was driven by a woman who was spinning her tires and could not get out of the way or get moving.

    The niece went up to her, and tried to advise her to drop into second gear so as not to spin the wheels, since first would apply too much torque.

    She woman, gripping her steering wheel till her knuckles were white, just babbled and kept spinning her wheels.

    The niece went back to a semi that was in the line behind them, and got the trucker to get out and come advise the woman on what to do.

    The trucker tried, but the woman ignored her, too. Yes, the trucker was a woman.

    Finally, in exasperation, the niece went back and found a male driver who was willing to get out, come forward, and tell the woman what to do.

    Which she then did. Thus getting the car moving, and getting traffic moving.

    Ah, Birmingham, Alabama, my home till I finished college and fled the state.

    This little true story just says so, so much about the culture.

    Well, at least the woman did not demand to know what church the trucker, my niece, or the man attended.

    They reserve that as the first question for newcomers when they move into your neighborhood.

    "You've got to be very careful if you don't know where you are going, because you might not get there." “When you come to the fork in the road, take it.” --Yogi Berra

    by HeartlandLiberal on Tue Jan 28, 2014 at 03:32:07 PM PST

    •  Your story is really quintessentially Southern! (3+ / 0-)
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      Women will only take advice from a man, even though it's the save advice already given by several women. And there's complete culture shock when it comes to snow.

      "The object of persecution is persecution. The object of torture is torture. The object of power is power. Now do you begin to understand me?" ~Orwell, "1984"

      by Lily O Lady on Tue Jan 28, 2014 at 03:40:42 PM PST

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    •  That is so true! (2+ / 0-)
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      "Have you been saved?"

    •  In the FWIW Dept, Took Niece 6 HOURS to Get Home (2+ / 0-)
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      We talked on phone with niece again this morning.

      Because the snow and slick conditions hit suddenly, and without adequate warning, because conditions changed rapidly and the early forecasts missed how much sleet and snow would hit Birmingham, drivers were trapped on roads and freeways for hours. Many cars were just abandoned by the sides of the roads.

      Our niece reports she made it home safe, but it took here six hours to make what is usually a 35 minute or so drive from office to home.

      Remember, because this sort of weather is not usual, there is absolutely no provision for treating roads or equipment for clearing them.

      And people absolutely have no frickin' clue how to drive in such conditions.

      "You've got to be very careful if you don't know where you are going, because you might not get there." “When you come to the fork in the road, take it.” --Yogi Berra

      by HeartlandLiberal on Wed Jan 29, 2014 at 07:06:26 AM PST

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      •  Plus, Children Stranded in Schools (2+ / 0-)
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        Oh, and I forgot to mention. Many children were stranded in schools because of the driving conditions, and could not even get home at all, per our niece's news report this morning.

        "You've got to be very careful if you don't know where you are going, because you might not get there." “When you come to the fork in the road, take it.” --Yogi Berra

        by HeartlandLiberal on Wed Jan 29, 2014 at 07:10:55 AM PST

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    •  From AL.COM Alabama Newspaper site (2+ / 0-)
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      From AL.COM Alabama Newspaper site:

      AL.com staff
      Motorists remained stranded on metro Birmingham roadways early Wednesday as Interstate 65, US 280 and Interstate 20 East were jammed with abandoned vehicles. First responders in Hoover, Leeds and other cities were tending first to emergency medical calls, and then guiding those who had been stranded for hours to safety and warmth. Hoover police used school buses to rescue motorists. In Leeds, police asked for volunteers in all-terrain vehicles to assist in transport to warming stations off of Interstate 20, and cities began to tow and move cars to make way for emergency and service vehicles. Estimates indicated thousands of students sheltered overnight in schools throughout metro Birmingham. South of Birmingham, including the Montgomery area and in Mobile and Baldwin counties, roads were iced and closed. Stay off roadways until advised. (Click headline above for updates)

      "You've got to be very careful if you don't know where you are going, because you might not get there." “When you come to the fork in the road, take it.” --Yogi Berra

      by HeartlandLiberal on Wed Jan 29, 2014 at 07:14:25 AM PST

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  •  Years ago, while stationed at Ft Benning, GA (8+ / 0-)

    It snowed less than an inch one morning. I got in my truck, and started into work (I lived off base), I was shocked to find the roads blocked by spinouts, etc. Southerners not only can't drive in snow, they shouldn't, even in states like Minnesota, the first snowfall gets a lot of people (who seemingly forget how to drive in snow) into trouble.

    May you live in interesting times--Chinese curse

    by oldcrow on Tue Jan 28, 2014 at 03:33:15 PM PST

    •  Snow driving is kinda like doing something in the (3+ / 0-)
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      presence of someone armed with a gun. Take it easy and don't do anything sudden. You'd think people steeped in our gun culture would get it.

      "The object of persecution is persecution. The object of torture is torture. The object of power is power. Now do you begin to understand me?" ~Orwell, "1984"

      by Lily O Lady on Tue Jan 28, 2014 at 03:43:07 PM PST

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    •  Minnesotans are some of the worst drivers (0+ / 0-)

      in the country...until we get snow.  I swear, for a group of people who can't seem to handle dry-road driving, we sure do fine once the roads are snowed over.  Many of the roads here in northeast MN are not plowed except during big events and are never salted, so snow accumulates on them for the entire winter.  We usually get to experience the entire range of snow and ice conditions through the winter, and I personally only dread dealing with those drivers once the roads are dry again!

  •  Like most things that are a little difficult, (4+ / 0-)

    It takes practice.

    So I see only tatters of clearness through a pervading obscurity - Annie Dillard -6.88, -5.33

    by illinifan17 on Tue Jan 28, 2014 at 03:36:11 PM PST

    •  True. But apparently its like riding a bike. Once (5+ / 0-)

      you get the hang of it, you're good to go.

      I do wish the TV news gave people better advice.

      -No sharp turns.

      -Easy on the gas and brake peddles.

      That is better than "drive very slowly with your flashers on," I think.

      "The object of persecution is persecution. The object of torture is torture. The object of power is power. Now do you begin to understand me?" ~Orwell, "1984"

      by Lily O Lady on Tue Jan 28, 2014 at 03:51:23 PM PST

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      •  yah... that's stupid advice from the tv people. (3+ / 0-)
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        All you're doing is making traffic problems worse.  

        A learning experience is one of those things that says, 'You know that thing you just did? Don't do that.' Douglas Adams

        by dougymi on Tue Jan 28, 2014 at 04:40:43 PM PST

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        •  Nice feedback loop they created (2+ / 0-)
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          Drive slowly with you flashers on.

          Ok traffic guy, look for all the slow cars with flashers in the traffic jam. We told them to do that to make your job easier.

          Now let's report on the traffic we created.

          Man, that's sounds like an ipo from the internet boom.

          1. Tell people to do something stupid
          2. Report on people doing stupid things
          3. Profit!

  •  We drove through Atlanta two summers ago. (7+ / 0-)

    Strangest thing I'd ever seen.

    Folks driving 20 MPH on the interstate with their flashers on because it was raining.

    I can't even imagine what it's like today up there.

    "The first duty of a revolutionist is to get away with it.". Abbie Hoffman

    by Joes Steven on Tue Jan 28, 2014 at 03:37:38 PM PST

    •  It's a bigger deal than (3+ / 0-)
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      The Apocalypse. Nothing minor or anything.

      I just heard on the news that the major intersection of two state highways in my city has been closed. There are accidents everywhere.

      "The object of persecution is persecution. The object of torture is torture. The object of power is power. Now do you begin to understand me?" ~Orwell, "1984"

      by Lily O Lady on Tue Jan 28, 2014 at 03:54:23 PM PST

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  •  Most of the time it isn't a snow storm though (10+ / 0-)

    It is an ice storm and really no one can drive on ice no matter what region you are from.  Here is Dallas we rarely get only snow.  We usually get a smattering of snow along with freezing rain which manifests itself on the streets as ice and even more dangerous - black ice.  

    •  Yup. Even if you have four wheel (2+ / 0-)
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      drive you can't get much traction on a sheet of ice. Zero times 2 or 4 is still zero.

      There was enough snow mixed in the the ice to give enough traction to make it home.

      "The object of persecution is persecution. The object of torture is torture. The object of power is power. Now do you begin to understand me?" ~Orwell, "1984"

      by Lily O Lady on Tue Jan 28, 2014 at 03:56:39 PM PST

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      •  I'm wondering how many of them have antifreeze (6+ / 0-)

        which will go down to the temps they will be getting. If they don't and chances are it wouldn't occur to them like it does to us in the North, there will be a lot of cracked blocks when that polar dip hits them.  
          Here in Vermont, we are pretty used to the "Montreal Express" which will drop our temps down a bit so we always use antifreeze which will go down to -30 to -40 .

        Oh, and BTW I lived in Austin, TX during ice storms, the ice was usually gone due to the sun warming it up by 10 or so, the people with 4WD did try (and I use the term "try" very specifically) to drive, unsuccessfully in most cases.  Those of us from the North, refused to drive partially from the conditions on the road but mostly in fear of the drivers on the road who didn't know any better.

        •  This is our first real snow for this year (3+ / 0-)
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          in most of GA, but we've had several days with temps in the teens or single digits, so the antifreeze part is taken care of. The last cold snap a lot of people had broken pipes, so the news guys are giving better advice about keeping pipes from freezing.

          "The object of persecution is persecution. The object of torture is torture. The object of power is power. Now do you begin to understand me?" ~Orwell, "1984"

          by Lily O Lady on Tue Jan 28, 2014 at 04:30:46 PM PST

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    •  Ice sucks (4+ / 0-)

      Avoid at all costs. Nothing works on the kind of ice we occasionally get along the 95 corridor in Maryland. Just stay home. The damage you will do to your car will far exceed what you will get paid at work that day.

  •  i'm sure people down there still drive (1+ / 0-)
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    4wd cars, which we northerners know not to get, or at least not drive in weather.

    Difficult, difficult, lemon difficult.

    by Loge on Tue Jan 28, 2014 at 03:40:14 PM PST

    •  Sadly, this makes them foolhardy. There (4+ / 0-)
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      are two types of bad snow drivers in the South. Those who go way too slow and those who go way too fast. And if they start to skid, as soon as they come to a stop, they abandon ship!

      "The object of persecution is persecution. The object of torture is torture. The object of power is power. Now do you begin to understand me?" ~Orwell, "1984"

      by Lily O Lady on Tue Jan 28, 2014 at 03:58:47 PM PST

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      •  Sounds like a reasonable decision to me (6+ / 0-)

        I'd rather have such drivers on foot. Safer.

        Do you really think it would improve matters if all the "slowpokes" kicked it up to your speed? Apparently, they have enough sense to not behave as though they'd been driving in snow all their lives. Imagine that!

        I understand that you found it inconvenient and frustrating but try looking at it this way: you only have to put up with it a once, twice perhaps three times a year rather than every day all winter long..

        Nothing human is alien to me.

        by WB Reeves on Tue Jan 28, 2014 at 04:08:59 PM PST

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        •  It would be nice if they would keep right (3+ / 0-)
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          to go slow, but they tend to spread out across the highway creating a rolling barricade. I think they just want to be away from other cars, but when they insist on breaking before the crest of a hill, then I worry about how I'm going to make it home.

          I generally try to avoid bad situations, but I couldn't today.

          "The object of persecution is persecution. The object of torture is torture. The object of power is power. Now do you begin to understand me?" ~Orwell, "1984"

          by Lily O Lady on Tue Jan 28, 2014 at 04:35:44 PM PST

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      •  You do realize that a lot of Southerners (8+ / 0-)

        are reading what you are saying, right? And several have come awfully close to saying outright that they are offended.

        There is a reason that the South shuts down during the rare times that it snows. We don't have much experience with it and we know it. What we do have experience with is ice and the best response to that is to just stay home.

        •  I'll take the diary down if you think that's (0+ / 0-)

          a good idea. I've lived here for most of two decades now. I've heard Southerners say terrible things about Yankees, people from neighboring states, etc. But it's true that they dish it out better than they take it.

          Sorry to air my frustration so publicly. I'll have to see if I can figure out how to take down a diary.

          "The object of persecution is persecution. The object of torture is torture. The object of power is power. Now do you begin to understand me?" ~Orwell, "1984"

          by Lily O Lady on Tue Jan 28, 2014 at 04:39:15 PM PST

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          •  I don't think you should take the diary down (9+ / 0-)

            Overall, I'm enjoying the comments. I am not liking the implication, however, that we (being referred to as a blanket 'they' as if we are some kind of foreign species) are morons for not knowing how to drive in frozen weather.

            It just started to snow in Chapel Hill, NC, about a half hour ago. I went outside to watch and the tick tick tick it is making as it comes down tells me that it isn't the white powdery fluff I was hoping for.

            I'll be staying home tomorrow. I'm well aware that my snow driving skills aren't great - despite living in DC for a snowy decade where I got more practice than I ever wanted.

        •  I sometimes wonder if one of the problems (5+ / 0-)

          with driving in the snow in the South are many of the transplants from the North who presume they can drive in any snow & tend to drive too fast.  Some also fail to notice that on many 4 lane roads only 2 of the lanes are used because there is so much snow & ice which has not been cleared in the far right lanes.  

          Sometimes I wonder why some live in the South because they seem to dislike it so much.

          Awfully close...

          •  I remember a weather broadcaster dedicating (5+ / 0-)

            a good portion of his snowcast to northern drivers once when I was young. This was years ago, long before migrating to the South had become so common. Anyway, he gave some interesting stats about how so many of the accidents that winter had involved drivers from the North who didn't understand that conditions in the South (i.e clearing roads, ice, etc.) were different.

  •  Two hours to get home yesterday (6+ / 0-)

    and that's about 25 miles in the snow in Denver.  Traffic was crawling, but at least it kept moving on the surface streets I took.  The freeways were slow and just before I reached home the traffic reporter said that traffic was stopped still on some stretches.

    This morning as I tried driving back in (not snowing anymore) it was still very slow.  I was fortunate to have the choice to go back and work from home, as I didn't want to have to spend another 1 1/2 hours for my normal 35-40 minute commute.  So this is where I've been all day.  On my computer and sometimes on the Great Orange Satan.  I tend to get more done at home anyway.

  •  I tell people who move to northern climes (7+ / 0-)

    that if they are unused to driving in snow and ice, when the next storm hits they should look for a empty slippery parking lot and have some funny "spinning cookies".  Learning the car's moves, how ABS sounds and feels when you need it, how to correct fish tailing, etc.

    And enjoying the winter wonderland in the process.

    Grew up in MN, living in Chicago now.

    Oh and also:

    There is no such thing as bad weather; only bad clothing.

    I'm not liberal. I'm actually just anti-evil, OK? - Elon James White

    by Satya1 on Tue Jan 28, 2014 at 03:46:52 PM PST

  •  You know when someone sneezes in your face -- (3+ / 0-)
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    -- and you get hit with that mist?

    In Los Angeles that mist is known as a 'storm' and thank God ACCUWEATHER tracks it.  

    Cars pile up like dirty hotel sheets.

    •  I think weatherdude would tell you that (1+ / 0-)
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      Accuweather gets its information from the National Weather Service. Thank goodness for government programs!

      "The object of persecution is persecution. The object of torture is torture. The object of power is power. Now do you begin to understand me?" ~Orwell, "1984"

      by Lily O Lady on Tue Jan 28, 2014 at 04:05:47 PM PST

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  •  Now..................... (9+ / 0-)

    go and see how well you navigate a swamp.


    "Legalizing pot won't make more pot-smokers. It will just make less criminals. - Me

    by AlyoshaKaramazov on Tue Jan 28, 2014 at 03:48:59 PM PST

  •  True statement: Seattleites don't know how (6+ / 0-)

    to drive in the rain.

    Unless there's ice, driving in snow is like driving in rain. You need to increase your following distance from the car in front of you, try to avoid having the car in back of you get too close, and try to brake slowly. Even if you have good brakes and tires, the car in back of you might not!

    Believe it or not, in even the lightest of rains, Seattleites slow down to a crawl and drive bumper-to-tailpipe. Drove me nuts the entire time I lived there!

    "'Patriotism' is the last refuge of a scoundrel" - Samuel Johnson, 1775

    preborner: (n.) one who believes that the right to life begins at conception and ends at birth.

    by 1BQ on Tue Jan 28, 2014 at 03:51:11 PM PST

    •  You must have been frustrated a lot! nt (1+ / 0-)
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      "The object of persecution is persecution. The object of torture is torture. The object of power is power. Now do you begin to understand me?" ~Orwell, "1984"

      by Lily O Lady on Tue Jan 28, 2014 at 04:07:43 PM PST

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    •  I lived there for a year (2+ / 0-)
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      it made me insane... And you are right, they don't know how to drive in the rain.

      And how do you feel about the reverse lane order?  Go the speed limit in the far left lane and the reduce it by 5 miles in each lane to the right...

      The tyranny of a prince in an oligarchy is not so dangerous to the public welfare as the apathy of a citizen in a democracy. -Charles de Montesquieu

      by dawgflyer13 on Tue Jan 28, 2014 at 04:22:22 PM PST

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  •  And people in AZ can't drive in the rain. (2+ / 0-)
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    A little drizzle, and it's like the end of the world.  You'd think that the people out here would have enough practice, what with monsoon season and all...

    "He who fights monsters should see to it that he himself does not become a monster. And if you gaze for long into an abyss, the abyss gazes also into you."

    by Hayate Yagami on Tue Jan 28, 2014 at 03:52:13 PM PST

  •  Well bless your heart. (7+ / 0-)

    Aren't you just a picture of courage!

    A mere .10' of ice shuts this city down. And black ice is a major problem because you never know exactly where it might be. You can be zipping along thinking everything is fine and hit a patch of it and go spinning out of control taking several of your fellow motorists with you.

    Last week there was a 15 car pile-up on the nearby overpass during the ice event. Local LE responded to over 275 vehicle accidents in an 18 hour period which doesn't even count all the ones that went unreported. This morning the ice was just bad enough to cause delays because overpasses and bridges were completely iced over.

    Southern cities don't have the snow and ice equipment necessary to handle these situations. There's nothing wrong with asking drivers to slow down and use more caution. Better to be safe than be the cause of a pile-up.

    The slow traffic may have been inconvenient but nothing is more annoying than overconfident blowhards who think their driving skills will keep them from having an accident in icy or wet conditions.

    •  I wasn't zipping, but I didn't want to get stuck (1+ / 0-)
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      going up a hill. I think that's what all those abandoned cars were. I was going slower than the overconfident blowhards, but faster than those who were in a state of panic. The last thing I wanted was to get stuck going up a hill and then get hit from behind. I saw a sports car skid out because he/she turned the wheel too fast and used too much power. I worried that that would happen when someone got stuck near me.

      My apparent overconfidence was really just years of learning all the things that can go wrong in the snow and not wanting to repeat them. I really didn't want to go out today at all, but had to.

      I was worried about what would happen and worried when people began braking at the worst times. I wish everyone had followed the law and had their headlights on, too, but that didn't happen. It took hours to get home which was where I wanted to be.

      Atlanta learned a lot in 2011. They put out gravel and coarse sand today to help with the ice and have greatly expanded their fleet of snow equipment.

      "The object of persecution is persecution. The object of torture is torture. The object of power is power. Now do you begin to understand me?" ~Orwell, "1984"

      by Lily O Lady on Tue Jan 28, 2014 at 04:20:22 PM PST

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  •  After seeing the car with its roof crushed (5+ / 0-)

    lying upside down in someones yard on Clairmont, I was very happy to have my 20 minute commute turn into an hour and 20.

    •  Hmm. I was on Clairmont today, (2+ / 0-)
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      but I managed to miss seeing that.  Clairmont is always bad in rush hour though, in my experience.

      "The object of persecution is persecution. The object of torture is torture. The object of power is power. Now do you begin to understand me?" ~Orwell, "1984"

      by Lily O Lady on Tue Jan 28, 2014 at 04:42:33 PM PST

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      •  it was around 3. (2+ / 0-)
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        And not on any of the curves that usually are involved in Clairmont wrecks, on the right side heading towards Briarcliff/85
        Glad you missed it. Traffic was reduced to one lane on each side.

        •  coming from Decatur (2+ / 0-)
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          wreck was just past Lavista.
          important info for such a long road.

          •  I wasn't that far up Clairmont. I (1+ / 0-)
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            headed back toward Decatur and took DeKalb Ave (or whatever it's called at that point). to Memorial to the Downtown Connector.

            People are still stuck in traffic and it's 8:45 pm. I was afraid something like that would happen to us. A reporter from Channel 11 (NBC) was camped out in my city at the Waffle House, but they just closed a little while ago! It looks like deja vu all over again.

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            by Lily O Lady on Tue Jan 28, 2014 at 05:50:45 PM PST

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            •  I guess you know it's still going on this morning. (2+ / 0-)
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              You can't get a sand truck through this mess.
              I think W. College is what you took off Clairmont.
              That's about where I started out. My school is being housed for a few years in empty Avondale Middle School while they rebuild.

              Have a good day. Don't bother going out. :)

  •  yes, fun and games in the snow (7+ / 0-)

    I learned the first year after I moved here that the best thing to do in metro Atlanta is to just stay off the frickin roads as much as possible.  People around here can't drive in rain, can't drive in snow, but they think that they can.   The bad weather moving in yesterday gave me a killer migraine so I wasn't able to go to work at all, but I emailed this afternoon and said that I"ll work from home tomorrow.  They don't care for that, but I don't like car accidents and will not risk it.  On the other hand, I"m from Pittsburgh and love the snow so went out this afternoon and played with the dogs.  

      I still don't understand why all the locals go and buy milk and bread, seems like beer and brats would be more useful, but stay off the roads if you can.  But I sure am sick of people whining about the cold weather, it's my favorite time of year.  

    sometimes the dragon wins

    by kathy in ga on Tue Jan 28, 2014 at 04:14:40 PM PST

    •  It's a LOT better than the soggy summer here (2+ / 0-)
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      that's for sure. I like it cold too.

      I don't think it's that they can't drive in rain or snow, although just like anywhere else there are plenty of people that don't do that well, there's an attitude of the road is mine, this great car is mine, and I'm going somewhere, get out of my way, you're an asshole for being anywhere near me.
      Especially on work commutes.

      I take back roads almost everywhere just to avoid the negative vibes.

    •  That's what I missed! Seeing how our (1+ / 0-)
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      dog took to the snow. He was rescued in Houston and has been with us in Georgia so I think this is his first snow. I threw him a snowball when I got home, but it was nearly dark. There's always tomorrow.

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      by Lily O Lady on Tue Jan 28, 2014 at 04:45:40 PM PST

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  •  The last measurable snow in San Francisco (5+ / 0-)

    happened in 1976. I shudder to think what it would be like if we were get any snow here now. I'd probably stay home and not even chance walking on the sidewalks. Just in case. San Francisco drivers (including me; I'll spare you the humiliating details) can barely manage driving in rain--not that we've had much opportunity to practice that skill lately.

  •  I'm a transplanted northerner (9+ / 0-)

    and you are absolutely correct about southern drivers' dangerous habit of stopping halfway up the hill on a snowy road. They do not understand the concept that when traction is reduced it is important to maintain momentum. In this way, traveling at a constant slow speed in a low gear, you can usually get over. Instead they step on the gas, and when the tires start to slide, they step on the brake. From a standing start, it is then impossible to continue forward, and if the hill is steep enough the car will often slide backwards into the car behind. When I see this type of driver, I usually wait at the bottom of the hill to see if they make it up,  far enough back that there is an escape route if the car starts sliding back towards me.

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    by orrg1 on Tue Jan 28, 2014 at 04:24:12 PM PST

  •  No, we don't know how to drive (5+ / 0-)

    we don't need to, at least here in LA, cause we only get snow every ten years or so. I learned to drive in snow in MN and still one day I went down the hightway donut fashion while 8 months pregnant and came to a stop in a huge snow bank. That was my last winter in snow country.
    Rained ice all day today and I knew better than not to leave the house, but I'm sure glad it amuses you.
    Bless your heart. :)

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    by mint julep on Tue Jan 28, 2014 at 04:39:36 PM PST

  •  How much money (4+ / 0-)

    should people who never experience snow pay to learn how to drive in it?

    I have lived in snowy climes, very wet and flood prone ones, and the desert.

    Each time it takes experience, or talking to people firsthand who know.

    I'd love to see how poor your desert driving skills are.  

    •  I never had driving in snow lessons, and (0+ / 0-)

      I don't think most people would be able to buy them. But it helps if people get good advice. The news guys just sound scarey to me.

      Don't go so slow that you lose momentum going up hill. Don't go too fast. You can slow down by just taking your foot off of the gas. This even works in dry weather, but I'm surprised at how many people always use their brakes.    

      If you have to brake, don't brake hard. When you accelerate, do so gradually. If you have to change lanes on the interstate don't turn the wheel sharply. Do it gradually.

      When people are afraid, they either slow down too much and get into trouble or go too fast. Keep a steady speed going uphill and don't brake before the crest of the hill, or after it for that matter. People get a bit funny on hills.

      I've been able to find enough traction on melted then refrozen snow to keep a nice moderate speed. Just be careful.

      "The object of persecution is persecution. The object of torture is torture. The object of power is power. Now do you begin to understand me?" ~Orwell, "1984"

      by Lily O Lady on Tue Jan 28, 2014 at 06:05:05 PM PST

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  •  Being from Wisconsin... (3+ / 0-)
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    I feel bad for Southern folks in snow. Up here it just sort of becomes second nature to know how to drive in the snow. I actually sort of enjoy it.

    No one knows what it's like, To be the bad man, To be the sad man, behind blue eyes....

    by blueyedace2 on Tue Jan 28, 2014 at 04:50:19 PM PST

    •  It's nice and dry snow way up north usually. It (0+ / 0-)

      kind of squeaks under the tires. Today's snow in Georgia is wet, even though the temperature was cold enough because it was so warm yesterday, in the upper 50s. I miss the really dry snow.

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      by Lily O Lady on Tue Jan 28, 2014 at 06:08:04 PM PST

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  •  Now if that was Nashville the always construction (2+ / 0-)
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    zone interstate traffic would be speeding up from the usual 75 mph up to 85, and braking distance between cars reduced from 10 feet to 5.  They're nuts.

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    by jwinIL14 on Tue Jan 28, 2014 at 05:00:16 PM PST

  •  F-350 (2+ / 0-)
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    I stopped & helped a young guy get his S-10 up the hill.
    I had a chain.
    He didn't know how to hook the chain !

  •  I am really shocked (3+ / 0-)
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    I would have expected people who have no experience with snow to innately know how to deal with it behind the wheel of a car

    •  You are not alone. But I do wish the (0+ / 0-)

      TV news folks would consult the Google before they give advice. "Slow way down," is sadly inadequate for varied driving situations.

      "The object of persecution is persecution. The object of torture is torture. The object of power is power. Now do you begin to understand me?" ~Orwell, "1984"

      by Lily O Lady on Tue Jan 28, 2014 at 06:11:37 PM PST

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  •  Too funny. (2+ / 0-)
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    When I lived in the piedmont of NC, I used to carry a come-along in my truck, so I could winch them out of the road and go along my merry way.

    Only thing more infuriating than an ignorant man is one who tries to make others ignorant for his own gain. Crashing Vor

    by emmasnacker on Tue Jan 28, 2014 at 05:31:19 PM PST

  •  Yeah, I have to say that this is the first time (2+ / 0-)
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    I've actually missed Jersey drivers. When it snows there, you just have to keep wary of aggression (which is the case all the time). Incompetence is not a problem. Then again, no one is particularly good at dealing with something unfamiliar, and around here snow is not familiar to most people.

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    by journeyman on Tue Jan 28, 2014 at 06:21:16 PM PST

  •  Don't feel bad (4+ / 0-)
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    Half the people up here can't drive in it either.

    They either think they're invincible or they're terrified that anything faster than 10 mph = sudden death.

    If the pilot's good, see, I mean if he's reeeally sharp, he can barrel that baby in so low... oh you oughta see it sometime. It's a sight. A big plane like a '52... varrrooom! Its jet exhaust... frying chickens in the barnyard!

    by Major Kong on Tue Jan 28, 2014 at 06:51:14 PM PST

  •  Why would it be a good idea to turn on (1+ / 0-)
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    emergency flashers when it is obvious to everyone around you why you and everyone else is driving slowly?  

    The TV news people are telling people to drive very slowly with their emergency flashers going on the interstates
    •  It might be to warn people about how slowly (0+ / 0-)

      they are driving.

      People spent the night in their cars on various highways around Atlanta. I made it home, mainly by avoiding traffic backups and keeping moving.

      The highways look like skating rinks this morning, but where they are nearly empty, I've seen cars moving along at a reasonable clip, not too fast or slow.

      "The object of persecution is persecution. The object of torture is torture. The object of power is power. Now do you begin to understand me?" ~Orwell, "1984"

      by Lily O Lady on Wed Jan 29, 2014 at 05:47:27 AM PST

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    •  I guess it depends on the situation (1+ / 0-)
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      If I'm on a highway and I have to stop or slow aggressively I may hit the flashers as a warning to the people screaming up behind me.

      It's common to see that in Europe, where highway speeds are a bit faster.

      When people are braking hard they hit the flashers - it means "I'm not just slowing down I'm standing on the brakes".

      If the pilot's good, see, I mean if he's reeeally sharp, he can barrel that baby in so low... oh you oughta see it sometime. It's a sight. A big plane like a '52... varrrooom! Its jet exhaust... frying chickens in the barnyard!

      by Major Kong on Wed Jan 29, 2014 at 06:08:15 AM PST

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      •  Contrary to the diarist's opinion, it is (1+ / 0-)
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        a really good idea to use flashers to signal slow speeds on roads that are normally high speed roads.  First of all, in the South it is a part of the "language" - meaning that people are used to flashers meaning that someone is driving slower than would be expected.  Also, just in general, as you say when you're going at a high speed and have to slow down significantly or stop, it really ups the chances that the drivers behind you will take note and slow down, too - thus avoiding being rear ended.

        Anyway, by the looks of what is going on in Atlanta this morning, the diarist is lucky to have made it home with her car and in a relatively short timeframe compared to the reports of others spending 8-12 hours trying to get home.

        It is sort of ironic on a liberal blog that some people would ignore the fact that the government infrastructure that is set up to deal with snow and ice events and is enjoyed in the North and in parts of the country where snow is a part of daily live months during any given year simply does not exist in Southern states.  The diarist keeps saying that Atlanta has a 100 trucks, but doesn't take into account how many miles of roads there are in the Atlanta metro area.  Add the minimal government support in an event like this one to the fact that Atlanta is a hilly city with windy roads and it doesn't matter how skilled people are at driving in any sort of frozen precipitation conditions - it will be a train wreck.

        It is more the weather and the lack of response infrastructure than it is about bad driving.  The authorities really should have told everyone to stay home yesterday.  Atlanta is a real mess today.  

        •  I agree with the uses of flashers (0+ / 0-)

          in general when driving slower than expected especially on a high speed road. It just seems odd to advise EVERYONE to drive slowly with their flashers on as in that case those with their flashers on are not driving slower than surrounding traffic.  Further, couldn't it also obscure the use of turn signals if people forget to switch off the flashers prior to changing lanes?

          Contrary to the diarist's opinion, it is (0+ / 0-)
          a really good idea to use flashers to signal slow speeds on roads that are normally high speed roads.
          •  As I noted, it is a part of the language (2+ / 0-)
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            between drivers in that part of the world - and honestly while I do switch off flashers when I intend to change lanes - in that part of the world, I don't think anyone knows what a turn indicator is.  No one ever seems to use them.

            Driving on the interstates of Atlanta is particularly bad.  On a good day when the weather is clear you have a ton of cars at all times of the day and many hot shots weaving in and out of traffic going easily 90-100mph not ever using turn indicators as if they think somehow that makes their maneuvers and high speeds less noticeable - and sudden total stops of many lanes of traffic at certain points through and around town - which is where you catch up to the speeding idiots who have nearly side swiped you a few miles back.

            Atlanta is a rotten place to drive on a good day.  Why anyone would think that in a snow storm it would be orderly and smooth sailing, is insane.

  •  If you are in Atlanta stay (2+ / 0-)
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    away from Six Flags hill on i-20

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    by Vetwife on Tue Jan 28, 2014 at 07:32:06 PM PST

  •  My husband came home from Bristol, VA tonight (5+ / 0-)

    and said that the roads were about the worst he'd ever driven on. It wasn't much snow, but it was very fine and clogged up the treads in the tires.  He also said that my daughter, who was on her way to pick up her daughter should probably just stay overnight.  I told my not-quite 5 year old granddaughter that she was going to get to spend the night at Grams' and Baboo's house and she was so excited!  They had to stay after that.

  •  I'm picturing Bedouins snickering (2+ / 0-)
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    OMG, Americans can't ride camels!

    Sometimes truth is not an indicator of anything relevant to the uninitiated.

     

  •  Studded snow tires (1+ / 0-)
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    are the safest way to drive in icy conditions, and you still MUST drive slow or you will lose control over your vehicle, it also helps if you have 4wd or Awd.  

    I suspect as global climate change becomes more evident for the average American, and polar warming causes legs of the vortex to drop down, we will see more icy conditions in states that have never seen them before and a rise in sales of studded snow tires farther south.  Probably not a bad future investment in companies that produces those tires...hmmm...

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    by Uncle Moji on Wed Jan 29, 2014 at 07:26:14 AM PST

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