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As a native Georgian, I can assure you there is cold and treacherous weather in Georgia.  Weatherdude wrote
a diary on here days ago.    The National Weather Service predicted a severe winter storm reaching from Houston to the Carolinas.

CNN is doing nothing but doing wall to wall coverage on the mess in Atlanta.   People trapped in their cars.
Accidents, one fatality as far as we know and prople still trapped., Children stranded at schools, kids on school buses all night....Sleeping in cars and a complete mess and shut down.  

These ice storms are not new.  I remember 66 and 73 and it was BAD.   It was never in this kind of dissaray.
Tea party governors, non responsive mayors and non communication between the School Boards, the City, the private sector, and the DOT.  What a mess !!!!  On top of everything else, a poultry convention and no room at the inns so Publix, CVS and others housing people.

Nathan Deal ...blamed the weather forecast...Are you believing that?   Yes, people do not know how to drive in this mess down south but no one can drive on ice.  There are displaced people, children, etc.  

No one is stepping up to the plate and taking responsibility for this lack of leadership.  There ARE salt trucks.
There have been school closings for as long as I can remember and someone was asleep at the wheel on this ice storm.  Mayors, Governor, Leaders, step up and admit YOU SCREWED UP ON THIS CALL !!!!

The National Guard and GEMA has now been activated and yes in small rural areas back in the 60's this kind of thing happened but not on this massive scale and NEVER in Atlanta.

There will be investigations and get ready Georgia..... You have experienced a sort of Christy episode but due to negilence.   WOW ... Ice and snow is not new in Georgia but apathy in snow preparation  is really new.  If anything , people used to over react not get stranded in areas due to poor planning.  The temperature is 14 degrees and it was not warmer in the night.   Heck of a job Georgia !   How is that infrastructure and NO GOVERNMENT working out ?

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  •  Two words: Mlke Bilandic. n/t (7+ / 0-)

    Float like a manhole cover, sting like a sash weight! Clean Coal Is A Clinker!

    by JeffW on Wed Jan 29, 2014 at 08:19:27 AM PST

  •  I'm Sure The GOTP Will Still Be Calling For More (12+ / 0-)

    tax cuts, fewer regulations, and smaller government in their campaigns.

    Who's stopping the vaunted private sector and its job creators from solving these very public problems?

  •  You mean the private sector did not rush right (13+ / 0-)

    out and solve all the problems?

    “The future depends entirely on what each of us does every day.” Gloria Steinem

    by ahumbleopinion on Wed Jan 29, 2014 at 08:21:15 AM PST

  •  Just as northern states scoff at us here (16+ / 0-)

    in the mid-Atlantic, I confess to a certain smugness about seeing southerners struggling with a couple inches of snow & ice on the roads.  I have a secret to share...nobody can drive on ice.  A little snow, yeah; but glare ice?  I don't care who you are or what you drive.

    As far as an "Ice-gate", there really should be a few questions asked on some fronts; but it's my understanding that this storm certainly should not have been a surprise to anybody.  And that includes the citizenry as well as officials.  I mean, whoever sent kids to school on buses in this weather ought to be fired; but every citizen who ignored warnings to stay home and stay off the roads has contributed to the crisis too.

    You can't spell CRAZY without R-AZ.

    by rb608 on Wed Jan 29, 2014 at 08:25:45 AM PST

    •  I agree and stated above (6+ / 0-)

      that no one can drive on ice .. Problem being.... The Katrina General just called Atlanta working in a 19th Century leadership.  Schools should have been closed and preparations for salting roads have always been far in advance of a storm.

      We the People have to make a difference and the Change.....Just do it ! Be part of helping us build a veteran community online. United Veterans of America

      by Vetwife on Wed Jan 29, 2014 at 08:38:29 AM PST

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    •  I'm going to place some blame on the (11+ / 0-)

      always-breathless, over-the-top "coverage" and predictions by places like The Weather Channel and Accuweather.  They hype and hype and hype and hardly anything happens 75% of the time, so people tune out after a while.  And then when the bad weather does come, people aren't ready.  It's why I don't think ANY actual weather-reporting outfit should be for-profit.....too much incentive to hype to keep eyeballs.

      I feel bad for the people who are stranded.  But I listened to our grandkids making bets on whether it would snow here or not.  I told them it was going to, all the weather models showed it and anyone who betted against it was a fool.  But some of the native South Carolinians took the bet.  You can't argue, or reason, with that.

      So, ATL learns a big, ugly lesson.  When ALL the weather channels are predicting the same thing, keep your ass at home.

      Listening to the NRA on school safety is like listening to the tobacco companies on cigarette safety. (h/t nightsweat)

      by PsychoSavannah on Wed Jan 29, 2014 at 08:47:28 AM PST

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      •  Right on PsychoSavannah (10+ / 0-)
        It's why I don't think ANY actual weather-reporting outfit should be for-profit.....too much incentive to hype to keep eyeballs.
        When your existence depends on ad revenue rather than for public service, it is a good point of failure.

        NWS, still the best.

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        by Tinfoil Hat on Wed Jan 29, 2014 at 08:57:08 AM PST

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      •  Lot of truth to that. (6+ / 0-)

        On the one hand, it's good that they alert people to the potential severity, but they do over-hype bad weather to keep people tuning in.  

        And, I'm sorry to say, too many people don't really understand what they're told about weather.  My spouse, for example, will hear the local weatherperson mention a "chance of showers on Friday", and mentally translate that to "it's going to rain all day Friday."

        You can't spell CRAZY without R-AZ.

        by rb608 on Wed Jan 29, 2014 at 09:02:06 AM PST

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      •  It's not that anything "doesn't happen," (2+ / 0-)
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        it's more that what used to be the status quo is now "OMG THE WORST DISASTER EVER!!!!!!!! Everybody freak out!"

        I'm living in America, and in America you're on your own. America's not a country. It's just a business.

        by CFAmick on Wed Jan 29, 2014 at 09:08:17 AM PST

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        •  Services are being cut too, because not (6+ / 0-)

          enough people are working enough to pay taxes to pay for it.  With climate change, it's only going to get worse.

          Even up north, I've talked to friends and relatives who tell me the clean up after snow storms absolutely sucks now.  It wasn't like that 15 years ago.

          Listening to the NRA on school safety is like listening to the tobacco companies on cigarette safety. (h/t nightsweat)

          by PsychoSavannah on Wed Jan 29, 2014 at 09:16:44 AM PST

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    •  Were they warned to stay home? (4+ / 0-)
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      That seems to have been a source of the current troubles. Schools weren't closed and people weren't warned to stay home.

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      by Catte Nappe on Wed Jan 29, 2014 at 10:13:31 AM PST

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  •  Government is not the solution, it's the problem, (4+ / 0-)
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    Right?

    If I ran this circus, things would be DIFFERENT!

    by CwV on Wed Jan 29, 2014 at 08:39:17 AM PST

  •  They mentioned Douglas County... (7+ / 0-)

    My hometown....I have never ever heard of DC not shutting down schools so this is a red red area and the more liberal areas did better.  
    There were many kids in schools overnight in Douglas County schools and buses.  NEVER ever heard of this.

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    by Vetwife on Wed Jan 29, 2014 at 08:42:01 AM PST

  •  Seems Douglas County was hit hard (4+ / 0-)
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    with stranded kids and I know for a fact that area is pretty much  tea party folks in leadership...I get to call them by first name and think I will send my thoughts to most of these classmates of mine who made these dumb calls in Douglas County...Ha.. my classmate for 12 years is the superintendent.. TEA party queen.

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    by Vetwife on Wed Jan 29, 2014 at 08:47:55 AM PST

  •  Listening to the press conference right now (9+ / 0-)

    If I'm hearing this right, this governor rejected the NWS warnings in favor of local meteorologists?

    "He who fights monsters should see to it that he himself does not become a monster. And if you gaze for long into an abyss, the abyss gazes also into you."

    by Hayate Yagami on Wed Jan 29, 2014 at 09:01:32 AM PST

    •  Yes...that is what I heard. (2+ / 0-)
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      by Vetwife on Wed Jan 29, 2014 at 09:15:15 AM PST

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      •  Those NWS meteorologists could be some sort of (4+ / 0-)
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        leftist Yankee carpet-baggers to that governor?  

        I wonder if the invasion of arctic air blasting in from the North will be deemed by some to be a possible crypto-Yankee attack on their way of life, maybe via HAARP, or orchestrated with those new-fangled smart cell phones...and Toyota Prius hybrids...like Obama's re-election was. And then Obama just promised to raise fuel standards for their pick-up trucks...The End is clearly Near.  

        The irony...Gov. Scott Walker and his GOP clan-mates (in WI and MI, etc.) hope to turn Wisconsin into Mississippi. Looks like Mother Nature is turning a few Southern states into Wisconsin (well, for a week or so). If only you had enough cheese, like Walker's home county of Waukesha, to spread on the wintry roads to keep the surface more navigable. I suspect they're looking into using beer or beer waste products as well.

        When life gives you wingnuts, make wingnut butter!

        by antirove on Wed Jan 29, 2014 at 09:29:41 AM PST

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    •  Sounded like it to me & ticked me off! (nt) (3+ / 0-)
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  •  I agree the wolf theory is in play but (2+ / 0-)
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    The Governor is taking Hell ....and good !!!  They did not declare a state of emergency before it got dark and worse.
    He did admit he should have declared a state of emergency.
    What used to happen.. Roads closed.
    Schools closed.... people left at will when incliment weather happenes at work place.  This is NOT new again I say but 2011 was not like this....AT all.  He is wrong saying one... they are not used to ice storms and 2 saying 2011 was worse.   Hey.....I even told Irishwitch last night for folks to stay away from 6 flags Hill... A place today....totally in chaos.  
    People used to stay home and keep their kids at home.
    Poor leadership all the way around.  2011 was not like this siutation at all and yes there was ice but  they should know after all these years anything along I/20  us iffy and most likely hit !

    We the People have to make a difference and the Change.....Just do it ! Be part of helping us build a veteran community online. United Veterans of America

    by Vetwife on Wed Jan 29, 2014 at 09:07:33 AM PST

  •  Here's my thing (5+ / 0-)
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    I'm not even going to approach this with my Midwestern/Chicago smugness, but...BUT

    Weather conditions like this in the South may be somewhat rare but they're not unheard of even in my memory and there's no way that there should not be some minimum preparation for this type of weather.

  •  3 State owned ploughs! (10+ / 0-)

    On the BBC coverage of the storms last night, they interviewed the chief of the transportation department of one of the affected states (I think it was North Carolina) which showed the complete state owned inventory of snow ploughs - 3! The response to why they were not prepared for snow was "we do hurricanes".

    It would appear from this article that South Carolina has ploughs but these rip up the lane dividing reflectors:

    But here's one thing you might not know: if it snows today, snow plows all over the state will tear up and destroy those plastic yellow road reflectors on nearly every road they drive. The S.C. Department of Transportation knows this, too.

    The reflectors cost $175 per mile for a typical two-lane road. After a snowstorm in 2011, the DOT replaced about 10,000 miles of them. The agency shifted money around to deal with the costs.

    There is a snowplow-proof product on the market, but it costs way more than the ones the state already use. So South Carolina resorts to a rip-up-and-replace model every time it snows.

    http://www.charlestoncitypaper.com/...

    Since the 1930s, British roads have the used "cats eye" reflectors which are rubber mounted so this does not happen. In wet weather, vehicles running over them push them down which automatically washes the reflectors. Lets see-- average maybe 1 snow storm requiring ploughs every 2 years. 80 years worth = 80/2 x $175 x 10,000 = $70 million.

    We will work, we will play, we will laugh, we will live. We will not waste one moment, nor sacrifice one bit of our freedom, because of fear.

    by Lib Dem FoP on Wed Jan 29, 2014 at 09:16:19 AM PST

    •  Deferred costs (3+ / 0-)
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      It's easier to justify a couple hundred thousand every few years, than millions up front.

      Also factor in repaving the streets, maybe every decade or so, which would necessitate replacing all the reflectors anyway.  It could well be cheaper to rip and replace than to use other methods.

      "He who fights monsters should see to it that he himself does not become a monster. And if you gaze for long into an abyss, the abyss gazes also into you."

      by Hayate Yagami on Wed Jan 29, 2014 at 09:22:39 AM PST

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      •  Not necessarily (3+ / 0-)
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        The original "cats eyes" are in two parts, not the simple moulded plastic versions apparently used in SC. The rubber (more like a composite plastic these days) reflector unit slots into a cast iron moulding which is sunk into the road surface. If there is damage - from spillage or a vehicle fire for example - all you do is pop in a new insert.  Obviously the cast iron bases can be recovered as part of the resurfacing or in many cases left in place while the tarmac is stripped and relaid.

        http://www.percyshawcatseyes.com/...

        We will work, we will play, we will laugh, we will live. We will not waste one moment, nor sacrifice one bit of our freedom, because of fear.

        by Lib Dem FoP on Wed Jan 29, 2014 at 10:12:14 AM PST

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  •  Too bad military surplus (5+ / 0-)

    is offered to all the police departments, even rural ones, but they probably don't offer snowplows. Maybe an MRAP or a Bearcat coudl be engineered to plow snow!

    Or better yet, beat all of those weapons into (snow)plowshares!

  •  Yes, children still on buses, and babies trapped (6+ / 0-)

    in cars. per CNN interviews I just heard.

    Earlier this am the mayor of Atlanta was not apologetic, didn't think people were angry with him though Carol Costello doing the interview sure was as she herself had been trapped. WHERE were the sand trucks she kept asking. He said, well I got here in 20 minutes, as if that meant all was ok?

    Then in the later presser w/gov. the mayor looked like someone had slapped him in the face and said, look you are going to be impeached unless you change your dang attitude because we are in deep doo here. Chastened, that's the word for it. And well he might be. This was stupid of him and of the governor.

    They should have declared state of emergency that morning and told everyone to stay home. What if it didn't happen? At least people would have been safe.

    "extreme concentration of income is incompatible with real democracy.... the truth is that the whole nature of our society is at stake." Paul Krugman

    by Gorette on Wed Jan 29, 2014 at 09:40:41 AM PST

    •  Well, the mayor doesn't salt or sand the hwy's (0+ / 0-)

      and that's where the worst paralysis occurred. That is a state function.

      Most people don't realize that the City of Atlanta comprises a small fraction of the Atlanta metro area.  It doesn't even account for a large fraction of those who live somewhat near the city center (i.e., Inside the Perimeter).  The county containing Atlanta (Fulton Co.) is not the largest county.  Atlanta is about the same size as Oakland, CA.  But no one expects the mayor of Oakland to be responsible for what happens all of the Bay area.

      I think Kasim Reed is a competent guy, and he is getting undo shit for this.  That said, he should suck it up and look concerned and contrite for now.

  •  vetwife, I just heard the ass place blame on (7+ / 0-)

    the National weather model & praise the local weather folks.   I became so livid at his smirk & words that I actually yelled at the tv.  Causing spouse to change channel to a cartoon, heh.

     If it hadn't been for weatherdudes diary, I would not have yelled at the tv.

    Since reading weatherdudes diary, I actually started watching the tv & noted discrepancies between local weather & what was in the diary.  So I went to the national source.  And got mad (as spouse would attest to).

    I felt like chicken little trying to tell loved ones to get/be prepared.  As I write this, I wonder how many others felt the same...as people pointed to local weather & poo-pooed the idea of what was coming.

    Local weather continued in the same manner up until we left for doctors appointments on Tuesday morning.  While at the midtown doc apt, it started to snow-before noon.

    When we left I was adamant about stopping to get more supplies just in case the shite lasted longer than anticipated.  Spouse made fun of me.  I did not care.

    By late afternoon, ya could NOT get out of our steep drive.  

    It took my offspring 5-8 hours to get home from their workplaces-a 40-60 minute usual commute.

    One co-worker spent  over 2 hours just getting two blocks from midtown workplace.  Another had to spend the night at a wafflehouse (with many others) because the roads were completely blocked.

    Some areas were fine regarding black ice or whatever and within minutes became treacherous.

    One of my offspring lives with me & recently became the now proud owner of a 4 wheel drive vehicle.  This vehicle got him & several strangers home last night.  

    He just pulled another stranger up a subdivision hill (incline) who was stuck.  He said last night was like something out of the Walking Dead tv show from downtown to the northern Gwinnett 'burbs.

    The other offspring is considered critical staff at CHOA downtown.  I have no idea how he'd be able to get back to CHOA with the situation as it stands currently.

    Folks, throughout my life I have lived where snow & ice abides.  Colorado, Indy, Labrador for example.  Yet I do not recall ever witnessing or experiencing the clusterf*ck that happens in the south when it piddles snow or the like.
    From our infrastructure to our experience to our resources we just are not geared to handle this type of weather.

    This type of weather, in my personal location, amounts to a couple of inches of snow.  That has vehicles abandoned, in ditches, jackknifed.  Roads that appear clear yet treacherous.  Folks stranded, injured, trapped in place.

     Because of weatherdudes diary, my family in Mobile & in GA was more informed & safe(r). If you are out there, thank you weatherdude!!!

    PS: GOTV to rid the stain of that smirk from GA!

  •  CNN HQ (3+ / 0-)
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    A mess indeed - and plenty of blame to go around. But CNN is doing exhaustive coverage because they are personally in the midst of it. If this were happening in some other city they wouldn't be giving it quite this level of attention - let alone the way the anchors and reporters are directly challenging the city/county/state leadership. If only they'd be that combative with national figures on bigger issues.

    “Texas is a so-called red state, but you’ve got 10 million Democrats here in Texas. And …, there are a whole lot of people here in Texas who need us, and who need us to fight for them.” President Obama

    by Catte Nappe on Wed Jan 29, 2014 at 10:10:01 AM PST

  •  vetwife, before I started yelling at the tv, (3+ / 0-)
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    His Smirkyness had key head cheeses give an overview of the situation.  THOUSANDS of children spent the night in schools across the area.  I've lived here since the 80s & have never seen this happen either.

    There's a very special place in my heart for this governor & his predecessor.

    In an aside, when my son finally got home last night near midnight, he reported that a nearby (hilly/steepish) overpass bridge over a railroad was closed.  He discovered it was closed after he was on it & had to suddenly stop.

    He suddenly stopped because of the teeny tiny orange cones in front of the teeny tiny sign attached to a chain that said "Bridge closed".

    No blinky lights.  No larger cones BEFORE the bridge.  No VISIBLE sign.  On a highly travelled bridge overpass.

    WTF?!  He said he wondered why the semi was sitting as far to the side as possible & so he had slowed down to a crawl.  He thinks the semi driver is still trying to figure out how to get off the bridge.

    One of the largest &  wealthiest counties in the state.  Sigh, run by the dark side using teeny tiny hazard warning signs chaining closed a highly travelled overpass.......................what could possibly go wrong in the dark??????????????????????????????????????????????

  •  I'm here in NW Georgia and we kept hearing (2+ / 0-)
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    we wouldn't see any accumulation.  I checked the intertubes yesterday morning and the National Weather Service had issued a Severe Winter Storm Watch / Warning all the way to the Tennessee line.

    I have a 30 minute commute to work on I-75 so I e-mailed my boss that I was telecommuting because of the weather situation.

    If I could figure it out at 5:30 am Monday morning, why couldn't all the school superintendents do the same and close the schools?

    It took my daughter over 5 hours to get to her house when she usually has a 30 minute commute near Atlanta.  I've lived in GA all my life and don't remember any other time when kids had to stay at school or got stranded on the road.  Somebody has some 'splaining to do!

    “To the world you may be just one person, but to one person you may be the world.”-Brandi Snyder (in memory of my Nick)

    by YellowDogInGA on Wed Jan 29, 2014 at 11:52:00 AM PST

    •  Never heard of such a mess (1+ / 0-)
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      Lots of splainin.  
      Some are still stranded.
      They care about warm bodies in attendance....
      The school supers have always called in snow days becaude of rural secondary roads.  Never ever heard of stranded people.. Reminded me of the Katrina incident on a lesser and local level.  There ... right there is your state governement in action.

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      by Vetwife on Wed Jan 29, 2014 at 01:00:52 PM PST

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    •  In Augusta, we were told 3-5" (1+ / 0-)
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      And we got....about 3".

      Of course, the storm got here later and it only really started sticking around 10pm.

      I don't know if anyone is out on the roads today.  My neighbors and I aren't going anywhere, and it will all melt tomorrow.  People in Atlanta just get wound too tight.

  •  there is enough blame to go around and then some (3+ / 0-)
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    I was concerned about this and asked at work on Monday.  They said 'well just come in and if it starts to snow we'll go home'.  Hmm,  lucky for me I have metal in my head and when the weather changed it sounded the alarm and I got a vicious headache and couldn't go in at all.  My coworkers who did had commutes varying from 3-10 hours.  As I was sitting here yesterday afternoon I saw a number of school buses on my street.  This is the third or fourth time since I've lived here this happens and it's the same story each time.  Frankly, I just stay home and play in the snow,  others should have been paying attention.  I'm sorry for the people caught in it, but at least some of them have noone to blame but themselves.  

    sometimes the dragon wins

    by kathy in ga on Wed Jan 29, 2014 at 12:28:25 PM PST

  •  Glad you are all safe. (0+ / 0-)

    82 was a nightmare ..and handled.
    I have seen the people know not to send the kids to school when the threat was this real... 2 inches of snow on top of ices is not what was in 2011.  There was snow and patches of ice.. This was more like 1973 and  66 IMO.  There was warning enough to get the trucks out at 3 AM and there was enough time to cancel school.  IMO  The bad one in 73 and even look on Driving Miss Daisy where in 66 that scene was duplicated for effect.. The icestorm was horrific. and ON a school day.

    We the People have to make a difference and the Change.....Just do it ! Be part of helping us build a veteran community online. United Veterans of America

    by Vetwife on Wed Jan 29, 2014 at 03:40:52 PM PST

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