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How many times have you heard that description (see title) about President Obama? In the first six months of his presidency, I heard my progressive friends say, "He is setting the republicans up; he is three moves ahead of them."

Then - before serious healthcare negotiations even started - he tossed out any prospects for universal healthcare by saying it was off the table. If you are playing chess, the last thing you do is sacrifice the queen as a "set up" for the rest of the game.

President Obama is a compromiser and a gentleman that believes in negotiations - you give a little to find a middle ground. Somehow, he does not realize that the radical republicans do not negotiate - they use every trick in the book to get more than what they originally asked for.

This brings us to the minimum wage issue. As the west coast seeks $15 per hour in Seattle and Los Angeles, the democrats are asking for $10.10 an hour by 2017. Does this sound familiar?

In 2008, the country was aching for universal healthcare. Republicans said no freaking chance. Immediately, democrats caved. We ended up with the ACA. Certainly it is a great move forward, but fraught with issues and falling short of our European contemporaries.

Today much of the country is well beyond the idea of a 95-cent raise to $8.20 in 2015 and eventually to $10.10 by 2017.

Sound familiar? The politicians in Washington are putting a parachute on the will of the people. A minimum wage increase to $10.10 an hour over three years is way behind the times and is a victory for republicans. Once again, in the name of progress, the president is limiting progress.

Regarding raising the minimum wage, as we have seen before, the initial move in this chess game is to sacrifice the queen (refusing to ask for $15.00 an hour and possibly getting $12.00). Instead, he is asking for three 95-cent increases over three years. By the way, over the next three years we will likely see approximately 10 percent inflation. This will make a dollar of the proposed increase as no real gain.

It looks like republicans are playing chess, while democrats are playing games.

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  •  Problem is in those games... (6+ / 0-)

    Both "Sides" are not trying to achieve the same goal.

    Which is of course to make the other side "Look bad".

    Which will allow them to play a different game at some point in the future...

    Unless of course the Democratic Party actually get a chance to play that game.  In which case, the game is delayed until the other side doesn't feel bad about it.

    /snark

    I don't blame Christians. I blame Stupid. Which sadly is a much more popular religion these days.

    by detroitmechworks on Sat Feb 08, 2014 at 08:16:39 AM PST

  •  He is part of the system and therefore (3+ / 0-)
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    Librarianmom, Johnny Q, psyched

    could not change it if he wanted to.

    An idea is not responsible for who happens to be carrying it at the moment. It stands or falls on its own merits.

    by don mikulecky on Sat Feb 08, 2014 at 08:25:35 AM PST

  •  The problem is that this isn't a game (11+ / 0-)

    It's politics, and if you haven't noticed, republicans are better at politics than we are. We have the ACA because no republicans would vote for it, and conservadems had to be dragged kicking and screaming and demanding all sorts of concessions before they would vote yea.

    I don't know how people expect Obama to plow through republican obstructionism when his own party is all too happy to block progress, too.

    P.S. I am not a crackpot.

    by BoiseBlue on Sat Feb 08, 2014 at 08:26:37 AM PST

    •  Bully Pulpit (8+ / 0-)

      Obstruction is nothing new. LBJ and FDR had equal if not greater obstruction, but passed the New Deal and Civil Rights legislation ( big stuff ). We must stop making excuses for the president. Politics is tough and the toughest, brightest find a way to win.

      •  So you believe Obama is a secret liberal (5+ / 0-)

        But he just won't do what's right because he sucks at the game?

        Or do you think it's more likely that he's pushing for what he wants and he's not a liberal?

        People bash him for not pushing single-payer while ignoring that he always said he was against that model. Why is the ACA his failure? He got most of what he wanted.

        P.S. I am not a crackpot.

        by BoiseBlue on Sat Feb 08, 2014 at 08:56:58 AM PST

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        •  I think it's both. (1+ / 0-)
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          Mr Robert

          I think he really has no personal skin in the game and hence won't fight very hard  and it's his personal character that it is the easier course to go along to get along. Those 2 together and the nature of republicans we have made his administration a disaster.

          "So listen, oh, Don't wait." Vampire Weekend.

          by Publius2008 on Sat Feb 08, 2014 at 09:15:53 AM PST

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        •  he does what he thinks will work (3+ / 0-)
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          and he doesn't allow his own self to be used as a distraction. They do it anyway, but since he doesn't help them, they use the same tired and boring charges that few believe.

          He's a liberal, but he's also a community organizer, without support from the bottom it won't work and waking up the bottom is the task.  

          Good news is youth are more liberal, there are more people of color, which is good for liberals.  

          what he needs to do is fill all the judgeships and appointments before the mid term, for just in case.  

        •  Actually he didn't say he was against single payer (0+ / 0-)

          At one time he said, as a model, it would be preferable IF we were starting from scratch with a blank slate. Of course we weren't starting with that - we started within a massive and cumbersome existing system.

          From Factcheck

          At a May 14 [2009] town hall in Rio Rancho, New Mexico, the president was asked why a single-payer plan had been taken off the table. His response was similar to what he had said while campaigning:
          Obama, May 14:
          If I were starting a system from scratch, then I think that the idea of moving towards a single-payer system could very well make sense. That’s the kind of system that you have in most industrialized countries around the world.

          The only problem is that we’re not starting from scratch. We have historically a tradition of employer-based health care. And although there are a lot of people who are not satisfied with their health care, the truth is, is that the vast majority of people currently get health care from their employers and you’ve got this system that’s already in place. We don’t want a huge disruption as we go into health care reform where suddenly we’re trying to completely reinvent one-sixth of the economy.

          In addition they note:
          Six years ago, Obama did say at an AFL-CIO forum that he was “a proponent of a single-payer universal health care program.” But that was 2003, and that’s not what he campaigned on as a presidential candidate.
          Politifact spotlights that 2003 speech:
          The YouTube video , which isn't the greatest quality, shows Obama speaking in a meeting room to an audience that interrupts him from time to time with applause. A sign on the po
          dium says "AFL-CIO Civil, Human and Women's Rights Conference," and Obama sounds like he's giving a campaign speech:

          "I happen to be a proponent of a single-payer universal health care program. I see no reason why the United States of America, the wealthiest country in the history of the world, spending 14 percent of its gross national product on health care, cannot provide basic health insurance to everybody. And that's what Jim is talking about when he says everybody in, nobody out. A single-payer health care plan, a universal health care plan. That's what I’d like to see. But as all of you know, we may not get there immediately. Because first we've got to take back the White House, we've got to take back the Senate, and we've got to take back the House."

          Reports on the Internet date this statement as June 30, 2003

          http://www.politifact.com/...

          “Texas is a so-called red state, but you’ve got 10 million Democrats here in Texas. And …, there are a whole lot of people here in Texas who need us, and who need us to fight for them.” President Obama

          by Catte Nappe on Sat Feb 08, 2014 at 02:23:59 PM PST

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      •  Should the "will of the people" determine the (3+ / 0-)
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        minimum wage? I am always surprised how poorly increases in the minimum wage do in the polls. If you are not an employer who is against a higher minimum wage? It cost you nothing and people at the low end of the income ladder get a boost. What's not to like? But I don't think that's how minimum wage decisions should be made, and they aren't. The issue is how does the increase in the minimum wage impact not just employees, but also employers. While we have lots of data, and a consensus that modest (10% or less) increases in the minimum wage have no material negative impact on employment, we have no data on increases of 30 - 50% all at once.

        I think the experiment in SeaTac will be interesting to follow, although it may not cover enough people to draw conclusions from the data.

        "let's talk about that"

        by VClib on Sat Feb 08, 2014 at 09:17:44 AM PST

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        •  always polls well (0+ / 0-)

          people are always for raising the minimum wage, the majority, those who know people who work for minimum wage or who work for minimum wage.

        •  Of course (2+ / 0-)
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          PrefersaPension, Johnny Q

          The will of the masses must be met or the will of the few will crush the whole. Feudalism is a natural state in non- democracies.

        •  SeaTac does not bring useful data on min wage (1+ / 0-)
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          TomP

          impact.

          SeaTac did not implement a real general minimum wage, as it only applies to the airport, hotels and "airport related businesses." Air travel to Seatle does not have ready substitutions so unusual factors dominate what happens at SeaTac.

          One question regarding SeaTac is will the workforce become "gentrified"?  Will the demographics of the SeaTac workers stay the same (except for income), or will a different group of workers displace the current workforce.

          The most important way to protect the environment is not to have more than one child.

          by nextstep on Sat Feb 08, 2014 at 11:39:34 AM PST

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          •  I think the population shrunk even more (2+ / 0-)
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            A judge ruled that employees at the airport aren't eligible because the airport is under the control of the local port authority, not the city. I imagine the ruling may be under appeal.

            "let's talk about that"

            by VClib on Sat Feb 08, 2014 at 12:07:18 PM PST

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      •  LBJ and FDR had Democratic supermajorities (8+ / 0-)

        http://en.wikipedia.org/...

        http://www.fivethirtyeight.com/...

        Not that I imagine these facts will change your belief towards Obama one iota.

        •  Because (4+ / 0-)

          They had supermajorities because they were true leaders that people rallied behind. Thank you for allowing me to make this point. And no it does nothing for my opinion about His leadership.

        •  Yeah. (1+ / 0-)
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          Johnny Q

          If you don't have 60 seats in the Senate remember, you can accomplish nothing.

          111th Congress: Jan 2009-Jan 2011:

          257-178 in the House
          55-40 to start with in the Senate,
          58-42 where the Senate ended up.

          So, so terrible.

          I tried to go online to find a similar bear head...but when I searched “Big Bear Head” it gave me a San Diego craigslist ad entitled “Big Bear needs some quick head now” and then I just decided to never go on the internet again.--Jenny Lawson

          by SouthernLiberalinMD on Sat Feb 08, 2014 at 10:05:15 AM PST

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          •  Filibuster? (4+ / 0-)
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            Heard of it? Heard of how modern Republicans are using it?

            •  Filibuster reform? (2+ / 0-)
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              Librarianmom, Johnny Q

              Ever heard of it?
              Apparently, if the response to Jeff Merkley is any indication, lots and lots of Democratic Senators want nothing to do with it.
              Now, why might that be?

              I tried to go online to find a similar bear head...but when I searched “Big Bear Head” it gave me a San Diego craigslist ad entitled “Big Bear needs some quick head now” and then I just decided to never go on the internet again.--Jenny Lawson

              by SouthernLiberalinMD on Sat Feb 08, 2014 at 10:09:45 AM PST

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              •  Somehow, I'm not exactly sure how (4+ / 0-)
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                I know you'll find a way to blame Obama for those Democrats in the Senate who would not agree to change the filibuster rules.

                Because it's always Obama's fault, isn't it?

                •  I don't know. Did he take a position on it? (3+ / 0-)
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                  What I'm talking about is happening Party-wide. Does it involve the President's actions? Sure. Does it involve the conservative and "centrist" Dems on Capitol Hill? Of course. Does the Democratic party as a whole want to avoid doing anything that would help the people, because they're afraid of pissing off the rich? Absolutely. Are they relying on the filibuster and the Tea Party in the House to get them off the hook for doing next to nothing to help the people of this country--and, in fact, doing a lot of crap that hurts the people of this country? They sure are.

                  They don't want filibuster reform, because the filibuster is their built-in excuse for never doing anything.

                  I tried to go online to find a similar bear head...but when I searched “Big Bear Head” it gave me a San Diego craigslist ad entitled “Big Bear needs some quick head now” and then I just decided to never go on the internet again.--Jenny Lawson

                  by SouthernLiberalinMD on Sat Feb 08, 2014 at 10:48:12 AM PST

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                •  He is the president (2+ / 0-)
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                  Johnny Q, schumann

                  Quarterbacks get the blame and the glory.

                  •  Gee, I had no idea that a quarterback (2+ / 0-)
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                    doroma, emelyn

                    was co-equal to all the other players on his team. Silly me. I thought a quarterback called the plays, and the team simply followed him.

                    If that's the way government is meant to work, I must say the founding fathers really screwed up the way they wrote the Constitution.

              •  Look on the bright side (2+ / 0-)
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                a Senate majority isn't really that important.  As history has shown us, as long as the Republican's don't get 60 senators, they won't be able to do anything.  In fact, the Democrats will be able to better kibosh their agenda by taking the minority role.

                At least that's how it's worked so far.

                You may think that. I couldn't possibly comment.-- Francis Urqhart

                by Johnny Q on Sat Feb 08, 2014 at 12:53:43 PM PST

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                •  Wow. Epic snark. (0+ / 0-)

                  I take off my hat to you.

                  The only down side is that a Republican Senate, ironically, would probably give President Hillary Clinton fast-track authority for TPP. Unless it was a Tea Party Republican Senate.

                  I tried to go online to find a similar bear head...but when I searched “Big Bear Head” it gave me a San Diego craigslist ad entitled “Big Bear needs some quick head now” and then I just decided to never go on the internet again.--Jenny Lawson

                  by SouthernLiberalinMD on Sat Feb 08, 2014 at 01:09:26 PM PST

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            •  Do you think for an instant that any Republican (3+ / 0-)
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              Majority Leader would allow a Democratic minority to run roughshod over him like this?

              I tried to go online to find a similar bear head...but when I searched “Big Bear Head” it gave me a San Diego craigslist ad entitled “Big Bear needs some quick head now” and then I just decided to never go on the internet again.--Jenny Lawson

              by SouthernLiberalinMD on Sat Feb 08, 2014 at 10:10:26 AM PST

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              •  He would, if he couldn't find enough votes (3+ / 0-)
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                VClib, doroma, emelyn

                in his own party to change the rules.

                Details, details. Pesky details.

                •  Here's pragmatic political reality, in a nutshell: (2+ / 0-)
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                  If the ideological positions were reversed, and liberal Democrats were using the filibuster in this way, any Republican Senator that voted against filibuster reform would be out on his goddamned ear next time he was up for election, and, in fact, might well get kicked out of any chairmanship he might have well before then.

                  As for Reid not being able to find the votes in his own party, that just underlines the fact that it's Democrats who are responsible for the filibuster staying in place--the same filibuster that they bitch and moan about on a weekly basis as they deplore the Republicans for keeping them from helping the poor and middle class.

                  I tried to go online to find a similar bear head...but when I searched “Big Bear Head” it gave me a San Diego craigslist ad entitled “Big Bear needs some quick head now” and then I just decided to never go on the internet again.--Jenny Lawson

                  by SouthernLiberalinMD on Sat Feb 08, 2014 at 10:52:58 AM PST

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          •  Read previous comment (1+ / 0-)
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            SouthernLiberalinMD

            About achieving 60 seats.

            •  You're right, but it's also plain ridiculous (1+ / 0-)
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              Johnny Q

              to accept that threshold:  "We must have a Democratic majority in the House--a large one--and a supermajority in the Senate and the Presidency, otherwise we can do next to nothing!"

              What kind of lame-ass mammajamma uses that pitch to get people's support?

              I tried to go online to find a similar bear head...but when I searched “Big Bear Head” it gave me a San Diego craigslist ad entitled “Big Bear needs some quick head now” and then I just decided to never go on the internet again.--Jenny Lawson

              by SouthernLiberalinMD on Sat Feb 08, 2014 at 01:11:51 PM PST

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              •  Democracy is a failure (0+ / 0-)

                Our founding fathers blew it. They had no idea a party would actively try to destroy the country (republicans).

                •  There's no reason why they should have thought (0+ / 0-)

                  that a party would try to destroy their own country. It's a dumb thing to do, in a world dominated by nationalism. And I can't really blame the founding fathers (who were eighteenth-century guys) for not being able to foresee the foundering of nationalism on the rock of multinational corporate disaster capitalism.

                  I tried to go online to find a similar bear head...but when I searched “Big Bear Head” it gave me a San Diego craigslist ad entitled “Big Bear needs some quick head now” and then I just decided to never go on the internet again.--Jenny Lawson

                  by SouthernLiberalinMD on Sun Feb 09, 2014 at 10:18:16 AM PST

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                  •  Yes (0+ / 0-)

                    They foolishly believed any party would be run by reasonable men with the nation's best interest in mind.

                    •  Well, under nationalism (0+ / 0-)

                      there would be, not none, but few circumstances in which jettisoning your country's best interests would benefit your best interests. Even when reckoned in mercenary fashion.

                      You'd have to be a Benedict Arnold type, and while those exist, there aren't usually enough of them to found large, powerful political parties, or create well-funded nationwide havoc.

                      I tried to go online to find a similar bear head...but when I searched “Big Bear Head” it gave me a San Diego craigslist ad entitled “Big Bear needs some quick head now” and then I just decided to never go on the internet again.--Jenny Lawson

                      by SouthernLiberalinMD on Sun Feb 09, 2014 at 11:56:57 AM PST

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      •  Give Me a Break. You are Very Naive. (0+ / 0-)

        FDR and LBJ had Democratic majorities in both chambers of congress unseen by modern presidents.

        But by all means, feel free to move those goalposts.

        I'm a "right-wing freak show," or at least that's what one nobody on DKOS seems to think.

        by kefauver on Sun Feb 09, 2014 at 11:35:50 PM PST

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        •  Think before you speak (0+ / 0-)

          FDR had very similar majorities as BO in his first term. His majority in the senate went through the roof in the next two terms because he rocked the world not because he pandered to the rich like BO. He did not talk about change we can believe in he affected change. He tossed Wall Street around like a rag doll.

          What did you call yourself?

    •  A good place for the President to have started (4+ / 0-)

      might've been by NOT enabling assholes like Joe Lieberman.

      When you triangulate everything, you can't even roll downhill...

      by PhilJD on Sat Feb 08, 2014 at 10:15:51 AM PST

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      •  Are you kidding? Wasn't Lieberman a mentor (3+ / 0-)
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        of his? And then one of his first acts as President was to use his influence to make sure Lieberman retained his chairmanship.

        After refusing to sign off on the homeowner bailout part of the bailout, which Barney Frank and Hank Paulson agreed to on condition the new president signed it.

        I tried to go online to find a similar bear head...but when I searched “Big Bear Head” it gave me a San Diego craigslist ad entitled “Big Bear needs some quick head now” and then I just decided to never go on the internet again.--Jenny Lawson

        by SouthernLiberalinMD on Sat Feb 08, 2014 at 01:13:46 PM PST

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    •  you mean more ruthless (3+ / 0-)
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      they are willing to sink the economy to get their way on taxes and no help for the struggling middle class. Our side isn't.

      but there is a bigger picture, and that's the community organization part.  There is a reason that the tricks to suppress voting didn't work out in the last election, it actually woke people up.

      This next one we have real issues, the Republicans have been 'gamed' into owning their own policies, and they've also been pushed by their own base, who are proud of being against helping  those less fortunate, et al. The war on women is no invention, whatever they say women don't want to lose reproductive freedom and women and men do want equal pay.

      So, what Obama has done, and well, is to keep his own personality out of it for most voters, no one who isn't racist thinks it's about any one politician.  

      Thus, to win this year we only need a ground game. We need to register voters and we need to help them vote early or get to the polls.  And we need to use the Aiken argument,  what is good for each community.

  •  The cost of living is not uniform (5+ / 0-)

    And a national rate has to be something everybody can live with. LA and Seattle are much more liberal than the rest of the country. $15/hour might not get the same support in many other parts of the country.

    $10.10/hour is not a victory for Republicans.

  •  "eleven-dimensional strategy is hard!" /nt (3+ / 0-)

    Warning - some snark may be above‽ (-9.50; -7.03)‽ eState4Column5©2013 "I’m not the strapping young Muslim socialist that I used to be" - Barack Obama 04/27/2013 (@eState4Column5).

    by annieli on Sat Feb 08, 2014 at 08:31:08 AM PST

  •  I don't think the games metaphor works. (5+ / 0-)
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    Regardless of which game, the gop just turns the table over and sends the pieces flying.

    I think the "wedge" metaphor, or the "momentum" metaphor is appropriate for what the President has been trying to do.

    You have to get the small end of the wedge inserted, then pound on the blunt end.
    The problem is that once they got the point inserted, they failed to pound with all their unified might. That can be seen in the disastrous messaging of the ACA, which needed follow up work which has been slow in coming (gop obstruction in red states, for instance).

    The momentum metaphor works, but when you get the wagon moving up out of the ditch, you need everybody to keep their shoulder to the wheel and keep pushing.

    The gop seems brittle, full of fissures, but for some reason the Dems can't seem to muster the force to break through it once and for all. I think that's because the media provides a protective cushion. Dems don't have the will to punch through the cushion and hit the gop, which seems primed for shattering into a million (or at least two,) pieces with all their might.

    You can't make this stuff up.

    by David54 on Sat Feb 08, 2014 at 08:31:19 AM PST

    •  Hard to pound on that wedge (8+ / 0-)

      when a significant part of your party thinks you shouldn't even have gone that far, and another significant part of your party thinks you are a complete and total sellout for not going much farther.

      This diary is Exhibit A for the latter syndrome.

    •  Appeasement (5+ / 0-)

      Dems must show their voters they are doing something so they fight for incremental victories then blame Reps. The bottom line: the country continues drifting to the right economically. A small increase in the minimum wage, which continues to lose ground when measured over time, is a win for Reps. We need bold leadership and big ideas, not a minimum wage increase that is less than what already exists at many state levels.

      If this continues, the working poor only fall further behind.

      •  Right now the Dems are trying to hang on. (1+ / 0-)
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        CJB2012

        and survive 2014. We have to have strong turnout or 2010 will be exacerbated and we will be even further from being able to exercise that "strong leadership".

        The gop are still trying to throw monkeywrenches into the "main street" middle and working class economy, as a campaign strategy.
        They're being assisted  by the media.

        The cuts to food stamps and the cuts to UI are being pursued specifically because they have a measurable effect on that economy. They cause pain not just for the working poor but the middle class too.

        The gerrymandered goppers think they're immune to the fallout for that fact.

        The "bold leadership and big ideas" are still there, in concept. They were embodied in the "climate/energy" legislation that the goppers were able to "run out the clock on" due to the "Senate Stall" on the ACA and financial reform. The Dem House passed a climate/energy/infrastructure bill but the Senate bill didn''t get past the committees because of the 2010 election. The rest is history.

        People who demand "bold leadership" have yet to disclose the location of the "magic lefty wand" that the Pres is supposed to be wielding. It's locked up in the WH in a secret closet somewhere, apparently.

        In reality, what we need is for the rest of the Dems (I'm looking at you, Senators) need to get behind the President and start hammering the media to get our message out. We have to have maximum turnout in 2014 to keep the Senate and take back the House, and break the gop obstruction once and for all. Then we can get something done. Otherwise we're just going to have to wait until 2016.
        We have made some incremental progress,, the Senate finally broke the filibuster on some of the nominations, and the narrative has shifted. They actually discuss income inequality in the media now.

        You can't make this stuff up.

        by David54 on Sat Feb 08, 2014 at 09:54:04 AM PST

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        •  The Media Wants a Horse Race (1+ / 0-)
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          We need to be careful what we repeat from the media; they need to keep their ratings up and will spew some real crap to do so.

        •  The reason the GOP is immune to the fallout (1+ / 0-)
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          1)they have a strong (and somewhat insane) base, which they have nurtured over years, and

          2)they have a messaging infrastructure par excellence, in which they have invested for years. Decades, actually.

          Meanwhile, the Democrats, for the past twenty-five years, have adopted a hostile attitude toward their base and yet at the same time have left the development of any political infrastructure to the very left-wing and populist base Democrats that they seemingly despise. I mean, for instance, Chuck Schumer never seems to miss a chance to take potshots at the liberal blogosphere, but it was (mainly liberals) inventing the blogosphere that provided the only communications infrastructure that reliably counters the attack/noise machine the right wing built over years.

          Because, what else is there? Democracy Now? again not something the Democratic party came up with or invested in. A few talk shows on MSNBC (Rachel, Chris, Ed, maybe one or two others?) None of this is comparable to the web of right-wing talk radio stations, pulpits, and right-wing television that the Republicans invested in from the mid-1970s on.

          So if the Democrats get blamed for any bipartisan crap that gets done, while the Republicans get a free pass, it directly results from their own failure to strategize and build like they're in a war which they want to win.

          In other words, it's not about magic wands. It's about taking the steps necessary to build political power. And, if you're interested at all in NOT being a mirror image of your enemy, those steps don't comprise:

          1)Make a list of really, really rich people. Don't worry about their political opinions; it's the portfolio that counts.
          2)Ask them for money.
          3)Do what they want.
          4)Rinse, repeat.

          I tried to go online to find a similar bear head...but when I searched “Big Bear Head” it gave me a San Diego craigslist ad entitled “Big Bear needs some quick head now” and then I just decided to never go on the internet again.--Jenny Lawson

          by SouthernLiberalinMD on Sat Feb 08, 2014 at 01:28:44 PM PST

          [ Parent ]

          •  I agree and disagree with your comment. (0+ / 0-)

            There's a lot of moving parts to what happened in the last 30 years to get us where we are.
            I think some people like Chuck Shumer are grappling with the fact that the ground not only shifted, but completely disappeared under them. They're still happy with their Face the Nation appearance every 6 months or so.

            As for the differences within the left and Dem party, given that we're the "big tent" party we should be able to figure out how to hit at the same points in the same general direction from a multitude of perspectives.
            We don't have to agree on everything.  

            You can't make this stuff up.

            by David54 on Sat Feb 08, 2014 at 05:30:18 PM PST

            [ Parent ]

  •  It's not chess or checkers - it's 3 card monte (7+ / 0-)

    Like with so-called financial regulation...

    JPMorgan’s Blythe Masters to Join Swaps Regulator Panel
    Feb 7 2014 - 9:10am

    "Blythe Masters, head of JPMorgan (JPM) Chase & Co.’s commodities division, joined an advisory committee of the U.S. Commodity Futures Trading Commission."

    "Masters, 44, is a member of the CFTC’s Global Markets Advisory Committee, the Washington-based regulator of futures and swaps said on its website. She was invited by acting Chairman Mark Wetjen to sit on the panel and is scheduled to participate in a CFTC meeting on Feb. 12 to discuss cross-border guidance on rules, a person with knowledge of the matter said."

    "JPMorgan, the biggest U.S. bank..."

    The dealer picks the game and since voters are only seen to be "at the table" on election day it's the street's confidence game for them. That said, how do you accommodate the national min wage with the wide range of regional costs of living and economies? It kind of makes sense that the min wouldbe higher in more costly states, no?
    •  there's somebody actually named (2+ / 0-)
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      Blythe Masters?
      That's worse than Sidney Leathers.

      Somebody let this woman know Anthony Weiner's twitter address, quick.

      I tried to go online to find a similar bear head...but when I searched “Big Bear Head” it gave me a San Diego craigslist ad entitled “Big Bear needs some quick head now” and then I just decided to never go on the internet again.--Jenny Lawson

      by SouthernLiberalinMD on Sat Feb 08, 2014 at 09:52:21 AM PST

      [ Parent ]

    •  and the fact that "Blythe Masters" is (2+ / 0-)
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      working for, well, the masters, makes it even more absurdly hysterical.

      I tried to go online to find a similar bear head...but when I searched “Big Bear Head” it gave me a San Diego craigslist ad entitled “Big Bear needs some quick head now” and then I just decided to never go on the internet again.--Jenny Lawson

      by SouthernLiberalinMD on Sat Feb 08, 2014 at 09:52:54 AM PST

      [ Parent ]

    •  This guy has a great run-down (0+ / 0-)

      on the kind of thing you're talking about. Check out what he says about the media's role in the 3-card monte game.

      I tried to go online to find a similar bear head...but when I searched “Big Bear Head” it gave me a San Diego craigslist ad entitled “Big Bear needs some quick head now” and then I just decided to never go on the internet again.--Jenny Lawson

      by SouthernLiberalinMD on Sat Feb 08, 2014 at 09:54:19 AM PST

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  •  Just because you would like (11+ / 0-)

    to see a nationwide $15 minimum wage, that does not mean that the president agrees. He may think that number too high, especially for a one-size-fits-all number. He may believe that $10 is the right number, and thus is fighting for that. People often ascribe their own beliefs and feelings to the president, assuming that he just MUST agree with whatever they believe. Thus, he becomes a "sellout" for not standing up for what he truly believes. Except that the underlying assumption, that whatever you believe must be what he believes, is ridiculous on its face.

    President Obama has been using the bully pulpit to push relentlessly for a significant increase in the minimum wage. He stands side by side with the American worker. But because he's not advocating an even higher minimum wage, he's a "compromiser" who is "playing games". Whatever. The hatefest must go on.

    •  Agreed, A $15 minimum wage is just out of touch. (5+ / 0-)
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      As far as I can see the highest (inflation adjusted) the minimum wage has ever been is $10.73.

      Expecting the minimum wage to be as high as its ever been in history is already a stretch, to expect it to be almost $5 beyond that is not even close to realistic.

      We were not ahead of our time, we led the way to our time.

      by i understand on Sat Feb 08, 2014 at 08:57:45 AM PST

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      •  Thinking $10.73 is an adequate minimum wage is out (1+ / 0-)
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        is out of touch.

        •  I made no comment on adequacy. (3+ / 0-)
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          Perhaps it is, but it would still be higher then it has ever been in history.

          I stand by my comment.

          We were not ahead of our time, we led the way to our time.

          by i understand on Sat Feb 08, 2014 at 09:41:37 AM PST

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          •  So it's ok for corporate profits to be the (2+ / 0-)
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            highest in history, but not wages. Really?

            link

            I'll take my chances with a higher minimum wage, thank-you.

            •  Again, I made no comment on adequacy (2+ / 0-)
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              I don't know why you keep insisting I have expressed an opinion on that.

              The fact is that the place I live has the highest minimum wage in the Nation. And it is still way lower then $15. There is no chance of raising the Federal Minimum Wage to that level.

              We were not ahead of our time, we led the way to our time.

              by i understand on Sat Feb 08, 2014 at 10:13:01 AM PST

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              •  Uh-huh. Make sure and ask for something (1+ / 0-)
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                you're sure the other side will give, as your opening salvo.

                That's the way to bargain.

                Also, there's a nice card game down in Times Sq. you should check out. I hear you can win a lot of money down there.

                I tried to go online to find a similar bear head...but when I searched “Big Bear Head” it gave me a San Diego craigslist ad entitled “Big Bear needs some quick head now” and then I just decided to never go on the internet again.--Jenny Lawson

                by SouthernLiberalinMD on Sat Feb 08, 2014 at 11:06:58 AM PST

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            •  i understand is not talking about morality (1+ / 0-)
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              nor is s/he talking about what constitutes good policy.

              S/he is merely talking about what is popular in Washington.

              Unsurprisingly, large corporate handouts are popular in Washington, and job creation is not. Tax breaks for the rich are popular in Washington, but minimum wage raises are not.  Black budgets for security agencies and their associated contractors are popular, but food stamps are not.

              Some on this site want to take their cues from Washington in terms of what public debates on issues should look like. So, for instance debating between 8 billion dollars of cuts from SNAP vs 60 billion. That way, the people never win, and things never get better for anybody except the people who are already popular in Washington.

              I tried to go online to find a similar bear head...but when I searched “Big Bear Head” it gave me a San Diego craigslist ad entitled “Big Bear needs some quick head now” and then I just decided to never go on the internet again.--Jenny Lawson

              by SouthernLiberalinMD on Sat Feb 08, 2014 at 11:05:54 AM PST

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      •  We just handed the rich trillions of dollars (2+ / 0-)
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        they can put some of it back into the real economy, or they can fuck off.

        Sorry. $15 is a reasonable offer.

        And by the way, as diarist suggested, basing your starting offer on what the other side thinks is reasonable--is not reasonable.

        I tried to go online to find a similar bear head...but when I searched “Big Bear Head” it gave me a San Diego craigslist ad entitled “Big Bear needs some quick head now” and then I just decided to never go on the internet again.--Jenny Lawson

        by SouthernLiberalinMD on Sat Feb 08, 2014 at 09:56:05 AM PST

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        •  Taking yes for an answer is always reasonable (0+ / 0-)

          Basing your starting offer on what both sides think is unreasonable-- is not reasonable.

          We were not ahead of our time, we led the way to our time.

          by i understand on Sat Feb 08, 2014 at 10:31:38 AM PST

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          •  "Both sides think is unreasonable?" (2+ / 0-)
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            Uh, who are the two sides?  I notice that suddenly everybody who's fighting for a $15 minimum wage doesn't have a side. In other words, they've been rhetorically thrown out of the room and away from the bargaining table with a few words. They don't exist.

            Time again to bring out this old classic:

            [Over dinner, new Babylon 5 "political officer" Julie Musante asks Sheridan about "lurkers".]

            John Sheridan: It's our version of the homeless. In many ways, we have the same problem Earth does.

            Julie Musante: Mmm. Earth doesn't have homeless.

            Sheridan: Excuse me?

            Musante: We don't have the problem. Yes, there are some "displaced" people, here and there, but, uh... they've chosen to be in that position. They're either lazy, or they're criminal, or they're mentally unstable.

            Sheridan: They can't get a job!

            Musante: EarthGov has promised a job to anyone that wants one. So, if someone doesn't have a job, they must not want one.
            . . .
            [Musante runs down a list of all the social problems EarthGov has suddenly solved.]
            Sheridan: And, uh w-when exactly did all this happen?
            Musante: When we rewrote the dictionary.
            . . .
            Sheridan: You can't deal with the problems by pretending they don't exist.

            And you can't deal with politics by pretending an entire movement doesn't exist.

            I tried to go online to find a similar bear head...but when I searched “Big Bear Head” it gave me a San Diego craigslist ad entitled “Big Bear needs some quick head now” and then I just decided to never go on the internet again.--Jenny Lawson

            by SouthernLiberalinMD on Sat Feb 08, 2014 at 10:39:32 AM PST

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            •  I think that's true. (1+ / 0-)
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              I notice that suddenly everybody who's fighting for a $15 minimum wage doesn't have a side.
              Who do you think is on this side?

              Here is a quote from Bernie Sanders...

              We need to raise the minimum wage to at least $10.10 an hour

              We were not ahead of our time, we led the way to our time.

              by i understand on Sat Feb 08, 2014 at 10:50:18 AM PST

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              •  Oh. So if no DC politicians are on your side (1+ / 0-)
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                you don't have a side.

                Good thing this guy didn't feel that way.

                Anyway, it's not like the people should ever try to move politicians. Really they should look at the "sides" their political leaders take and echo them.

                I tried to go online to find a similar bear head...but when I searched “Big Bear Head” it gave me a San Diego craigslist ad entitled “Big Bear needs some quick head now” and then I just decided to never go on the internet again.--Jenny Lawson

                by SouthernLiberalinMD on Sat Feb 08, 2014 at 11:01:27 AM PST

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                •  Great, we're on the same page then. (1+ / 0-)
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                  It's not that President Obama is not playing the game well. It's that he's not doing what you want. I think it's great you want to influence him. Please carry on.

                  We were not ahead of our time, we led the way to our time.

                  by i understand on Sat Feb 08, 2014 at 11:06:28 AM PST

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                  •  He's playing a game in which I'm a pawn. (1+ / 0-)
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                    And so are most of the rest of the people who come to this website. In fact, so are most of the people in this country. The idea is we all get sacrificed--mostly economically--and he wins. But what's the object of the game? What are we being sacrificed for? What is he winning?

                    Looks to me like the object of the game is to take over the job of representing the wealthy from the Republican party.

                    I tried to go online to find a similar bear head...but when I searched “Big Bear Head” it gave me a San Diego craigslist ad entitled “Big Bear needs some quick head now” and then I just decided to never go on the internet again.--Jenny Lawson

                    by SouthernLiberalinMD on Sat Feb 08, 2014 at 11:10:25 AM PST

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                  •  As for influencing Obama (1+ / 0-)
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                    I have little to no hope of influencing him. He's never going to see another election. Why would he pay any attention to  any populist movement?

                    I tried to go online to find a similar bear head...but when I searched “Big Bear Head” it gave me a San Diego craigslist ad entitled “Big Bear needs some quick head now” and then I just decided to never go on the internet again.--Jenny Lawson

                    by SouthernLiberalinMD on Sat Feb 08, 2014 at 11:14:21 AM PST

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                    •  Career Man (2+ / 0-)
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                      He got what he wanted: the first African American Presidency. It never was about economic justice for him. He never suffered from it. By age nineteen he was plucked from reality ( good for him), but that does not help the "land of the poor."  He just has no idea about the jungle most live in.

                      •  My guess for him after the White House: (1+ / 0-)
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                        Johnny Q

                        the middle man between Big Money and potential Democratic candidates. Probably using OFA as well as some big PAC.

                        I tried to go online to find a similar bear head...but when I searched “Big Bear Head” it gave me a San Diego craigslist ad entitled “Big Bear needs some quick head now” and then I just decided to never go on the internet again.--Jenny Lawson

                        by SouthernLiberalinMD on Sat Feb 08, 2014 at 11:48:30 AM PST

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                      •  Most live in "the jungle"? (0+ / 0-)

                        The median household income in the US is over $50,000. Changing the minimum wage to $15 is far less then that so I don't know what you're talking about.

                        Income inequality is, I think, one of the biggest problems we have in the US. Baseless rhetoric and demeaning the President doesn't help convince people you have the solution.

                        We were not ahead of our time, we led the way to our time.

                        by i understand on Sat Feb 08, 2014 at 12:24:37 PM PST

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        •  The rich treat the USA like a whore... (3+ / 0-)

          and my apologies to prostitutes. They make profits off the back of Americans and do not share in fair compensation. They use up our natural resources to enrich themselves, yet give very little back to our country. They are not "job creators" -- they are "resource thieves."

        •  SLMD - Was that handed to the rich before (0+ / 0-)

          or after 1/1/13 when the top marginal federal income tax rate was raised to 39.6%, and the capital gains rate from 15% to 23.8%?

          "let's talk about that"

          by VClib on Sat Feb 08, 2014 at 12:37:52 PM PST

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          •  I'm talking about the bailouts: (1+ / 0-)
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            Johnny Q

            both the initial big one and the ongoing smaller ones that masquerade under the wonky name "Quantitative Easing."

            But if you want to talk about the income tax, the law you're referring to made
            82% of the Bush tax cuts permanent. That's why Grover Norquist gave his people permission to vote for it.

            If we're talking tax code, serious changes need to be made in more ways than adjusting the marginal tax rates. The tax code used to be built to encourage the wealthy to invest in real infrastructure, stateside manufacturing, the real economy. We need to return to that.

            But if we're going to focus on the marginal income tax rate, it's instructive to note that under Reagan at the beginning of his term, the marginal tax rate was 70%.

            It would have been great if the Dems' initial ask had been for that. Then, by the time you get to the end of bargaining, you might end up with something better than the Clinton tax rates.

            I tried to go online to find a similar bear head...but when I searched “Big Bear Head” it gave me a San Diego craigslist ad entitled “Big Bear needs some quick head now” and then I just decided to never go on the internet again.--Jenny Lawson

            by SouthernLiberalinMD on Sat Feb 08, 2014 at 01:38:03 PM PST

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            •  SLMD - the old pre-Tax Reform Act of 1986 code (0+ / 0-)

              did encourage investments and provided tax shelter for those who invested. So while the top marginal rate was 70% the effective rate for the top 1% was about where it is today. No one would take seriously a proposal to establish a 70% rate and the post TRA86 code with all the tax shelters stripped out (that's what TRA86 did and why the top marginal rate dropped to 28%). A change from the 35% top rate to 70% would have doubled the top marginal rate. A majority of Congressional  Democrats wouldn't support a 70% top marginal rate. With the current post TRA86 code a 70% rate would lead to the highest effective rate in US history for the top 1%. Higher even than when the top rate was 92%, but under the old code.

              There might be some bipartisan support for a higher top marginal rate and tax credits for domestic infrastructure and green investments. I think a majority of the 1% would support a much higher top marginal rate than 40%, and tax shelters that allowed you to dial your tax liability as low as you desired.

              "let's talk about that"

              by VClib on Sat Feb 08, 2014 at 02:47:41 PM PST

              [ Parent ]

      •  Not sure what the numbers are, but pundits on the (3+ / 0-)
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        MSNBC shows use 'inflation adjusted' numbers that tend to range from 15ish even all the way up to 20 when they talk about how the minimum wage simply hasn't kept pace.  I don't think I've ever heard any of them go anywhere near as low as 10.73.

      •  Although I can see where you might be that low (0+ / 0-)

        since the numbers available online are all over the place.  According to PEW, for instance, the 'peak' in inflation adjusted values was as low as 8.56.    Which just seems weird, since presumably both inflation and the federal minimum wage have been set figures over time.  If all of these different sites are coming up with different outputs, they somehow must be using differing inputs.

        •  Here is a table from infoplease (2+ / 0-)
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          http://www.infoplease.com/...

          $20/hour would mean a single person working full time at minimum wage would earn almost 4 times the poverty level and higher then the poverty level for a family of 8 people (according to the Federal Poverty Level).

          http://aspe.hhs.gov/...

          We were not ahead of our time, we led the way to our time.

          by i understand on Sat Feb 08, 2014 at 10:22:59 AM PST

          [ Parent ]

          •  Have you checked out what 'living at poverty' (0+ / 0-)

            means?  The 'poverty level' needs to go up quite a bit too.  In fact, most of our inflation indices are also a joke, since they tend to exclude things like energy.

            During the last thirty years, I've seen the costs of pretty much everything I buy, every sort of utility or housing, at least double (often while quality of the products decreases), yet the so called 'inflation rate' won't even come close to that.

            •  I'm just presenting some facts. (1+ / 0-)
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              emelyn

              They are what they are. The FPL is used for lots of means testing and if it's wrong, then it should be fixed. Perhaps that's a good subject to write a diary on...

              We were not ahead of our time, we led the way to our time.

              by i understand on Sat Feb 08, 2014 at 10:44:47 AM PST

              [ Parent ]

              •  Yeah, it's all about facts, reality, (0+ / 0-)

                inevitability. The boundaries of political discourse are inevitable and rigid, remember that.  It's not like anybody is taking action to set them where they're set. So you shouldn't try to take action to change them, because you're just going to make yourself look stupid. Sit still and accept the boundaries DC has set on the conversation. That's the spirit that made America great.

                I tried to go online to find a similar bear head...but when I searched “Big Bear Head” it gave me a San Diego craigslist ad entitled “Big Bear needs some quick head now” and then I just decided to never go on the internet again.--Jenny Lawson

                by SouthernLiberalinMD on Sat Feb 08, 2014 at 11:12:38 AM PST

                [ Parent ]

                •  I see... (1+ / 0-)
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                  I guess that's why 13 million people still don't have health coverage today. Oh wait... yes they do.

                  We were not ahead of our time, we led the way to our time.

                  by i understand on Sat Feb 08, 2014 at 03:06:19 PM PST

                  [ Parent ]

                  •  No, it's why 13 million people don't have (0+ / 0-)

                    Medicare today. More to the point, it's why they don't have pre-George W Bush-tampering Medicare today. Because the left is supposed to accept certain boundaries as inevitable, while the right never does.

                    I tried to go online to find a similar bear head...but when I searched “Big Bear Head” it gave me a San Diego craigslist ad entitled “Big Bear needs some quick head now” and then I just decided to never go on the internet again.--Jenny Lawson

                    by SouthernLiberalinMD on Sun Feb 09, 2014 at 10:20:34 AM PST

                    [ Parent ]

                    •  I understand... (0+ / 0-)

                      If it isn't exactly what you personally want it doesn't count.

                      We were not ahead of our time, we led the way to our time.

                      by i understand on Sun Feb 09, 2014 at 04:05:29 PM PST

                      [ Parent ]

                      •  It's a quarrel about the nature of politics. (0+ / 0-)

                        Which you keep personalizing. And pushing the "petty rigid selfish" meme.

                        I tried to go online to find a similar bear head...but when I searched “Big Bear Head” it gave me a San Diego craigslist ad entitled “Big Bear needs some quick head now” and then I just decided to never go on the internet again.--Jenny Lawson

                        by SouthernLiberalinMD on Mon Feb 10, 2014 at 08:44:54 AM PST

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                        •  You have that backwards... (0+ / 0-)

                          What you wrote...

                          So you shouldn't try to take action to change them, because you're just going to make yourself look stupid. Sit still and accept the boundaries DC has set on the conversation. That's the spirit that made America great.
                          You personalized it, not me. I didn't even add the bolding.

                          We were not ahead of our time, we led the way to our time.

                          by i understand on Mon Feb 10, 2014 at 08:54:27 AM PST

                          [ Parent ]

                          •  Oh, I see. We're going to argue about colloquial (0+ / 0-)

                            word usage, such as the use of the word "you" to mean a generalized abstract person, which has in common usage replaced the use of the word "one."

                            Sorry that the colloquial common parlance offended you. Here, I'll translate the passage and that should lay any hurt feelings to rest:

                            Yeah, it's all about facts, reality, (0+ / 0-)
                            inevitability. The boundaries of political discourse are inevitable and rigid, remember that.  It's not like anybody is taking action to set them where they're set. So one shouldn't try to take action to change them, because one would just make oneself look stupid. One should sit still and accept the boundaries DC has set on the conversation. That's the spirit that made America great.

                            I tried to go online to find a similar bear head...but when I searched “Big Bear Head” it gave me a San Diego craigslist ad entitled “Big Bear needs some quick head now” and then I just decided to never go on the internet again.--Jenny Lawson

                            by SouthernLiberalinMD on Mon Feb 10, 2014 at 09:13:43 AM PST

                            [ Parent ]

                          •  I accept your apology. (0+ / 0-)

                            We were not ahead of our time, we led the way to our time.

                            by i understand on Mon Feb 10, 2014 at 10:04:51 AM PST

                            [ Parent ]

            •  Dr E - many poverty metrics don't include (0+ / 0-)

              in-kind payments, like SNAP and Section 8 housing, in their calculations.

              "let's talk about that"

              by VClib on Sat Feb 08, 2014 at 12:44:52 PM PST

              [ Parent ]

    •  This is serious (7+ / 0-)

      The only "hatefest" is the one against working class Americans. Go try to make it on $7.25 an hour and get back to me. $10.10 by 2017 is a disgrace. Look around the world. Nobody is compensated less than American workers in any advanced society. Europeans have higher minimum wages along with healthcare, free higher eduction, generous vacations and great retirement compensation. If you add the cost of the safety net up, Europeans are earning many times our "minimum wage."

      •  European unemployment, especially (1+ / 0-)
        Recommended by:
        emelyn

        amongst the youth, is much higher than in the US. So that is a bad example for you to bring up.

        •  Better off (1+ / 0-)
          Recommended by:
          Johnny Q

          As unemployed Europeans , they are still doing better than $7.25 employed Americans.

        •  26% in Spain; 22% in France; Greece 27.6% (2+ / 0-)
          Recommended by:
          doc2, VClib

          Italy (are you sitting down) 41.6%. Youth unemployment for each country. Ouch!!!!

          New Republic: So are the left-wing blogs as bad as the Tea Party ones in this case? -------------------------Chuck Schumer: Left-wing blogs are the mirror image. They just have less credibility and less clout.

          by AlexDrew on Sat Feb 08, 2014 at 09:39:10 AM PST

          [ Parent ]

          •  42.6% unemployment for black youth in (5+ / 0-)

            this country. Last time I looked.

            I tried to go online to find a similar bear head...but when I searched “Big Bear Head” it gave me a San Diego craigslist ad entitled “Big Bear needs some quick head now” and then I just decided to never go on the internet again.--Jenny Lawson

            by SouthernLiberalinMD on Sat Feb 08, 2014 at 09:56:45 AM PST

            [ Parent ]

            •  That is a crises. But I think that (0+ / 0-)

              $15hr would make it worse.

              New Republic: So are the left-wing blogs as bad as the Tea Party ones in this case? -------------------------Chuck Schumer: Left-wing blogs are the mirror image. They just have less credibility and less clout.

              by AlexDrew on Sat Feb 08, 2014 at 10:27:25 AM PST

              [ Parent ]

              •  ah. the old idea that if we can just keep wages (2+ / 0-)
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                low enough, the 1% will reward us for that consideration by creating lots and lots of jobs. After all, if labor is cheap, why shouldn't they? We just need to get it a bit cheaper. I mean, even at below $10/hr, we're still waaaay more expensive than the $67/month they pay in Bangladesh. Hey, maybe we should be lowering the minimum wage instead of raising it!

                I tried to go online to find a similar bear head...but when I searched “Big Bear Head” it gave me a San Diego craigslist ad entitled “Big Bear needs some quick head now” and then I just decided to never go on the internet again.--Jenny Lawson

                by SouthernLiberalinMD on Sat Feb 08, 2014 at 10:42:38 AM PST

                [ Parent ]

                •  I support raising the min wage. (3+ / 0-)
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                  But it has to be done in stages and then indexed. In SF, it is almost $11hr and it rises every year. Some on our side want to have this big jump overnight.

                  Keep small businesses in mind when we discuss this, not Target or Walmart. A dry cleaner in SF can probably pass along most of the cost of a $15hr min wage, but what about the dry cleaner in Dayton, Ohio?

                  We agree on the goal.

                  New Republic: So are the left-wing blogs as bad as the Tea Party ones in this case? -------------------------Chuck Schumer: Left-wing blogs are the mirror image. They just have less credibility and less clout.

                  by AlexDrew on Sat Feb 08, 2014 at 10:50:48 AM PST

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                  •  OK, I do care about small businesses (2+ / 0-)
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                    Let's write it into the law. The $15 minimum wage only applies to those companies with more than 50 employees. They can afford it. For those with fewer than 50 employees, $11/hr.

                    With unemployment as bad as it is right now, you could have a law like that without it making it hard for small businesses to find people to hire. And you'd still improve the lot of millions of people.

                    I tried to go online to find a similar bear head...but when I searched “Big Bear Head” it gave me a San Diego craigslist ad entitled “Big Bear needs some quick head now” and then I just decided to never go on the internet again.--Jenny Lawson

                    by SouthernLiberalinMD on Sat Feb 08, 2014 at 11:17:52 AM PST

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              •  [Only if you mean $15/hr is too low (1+ / 0-)
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                How is giving poor people more money worse for them?  Shouldn't we better the lives of the 1% by enacting a maximum wage if that is the case?

                You may think that. I couldn't possibly comment.-- Francis Urqhart

                by Johnny Q on Sat Feb 08, 2014 at 01:10:43 PM PST

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                •  I think the idea is that if we raise the minimum (0+ / 0-)

                  wage, the 1% will take still more jobs away from here and give them to ten-year-old girls in Bangladesh.

                  I tried to go online to find a similar bear head...but when I searched “Big Bear Head” it gave me a San Diego craigslist ad entitled “Big Bear needs some quick head now” and then I just decided to never go on the internet again.--Jenny Lawson

                  by SouthernLiberalinMD on Sat Feb 08, 2014 at 02:10:52 PM PST

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          •  In re: your sig: (2+ / 0-)
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            Dear Senator Schumer:  Wall St Democrats are the mirror image of Wall St. Republicans. They just have less credibility and less clout.

            I tried to go online to find a similar bear head...but when I searched “Big Bear Head” it gave me a San Diego craigslist ad entitled “Big Bear needs some quick head now” and then I just decided to never go on the internet again.--Jenny Lawson

            by SouthernLiberalinMD on Sat Feb 08, 2014 at 09:57:35 AM PST

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            •  I am a native NYC'er and I had high hopes (1+ / 0-)
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              for him when he defeated SE. Pothole. I have that as my sig to remind us how we are taken for granted. He and Durbin need primaries.

              New Republic: So are the left-wing blogs as bad as the Tea Party ones in this case? -------------------------Chuck Schumer: Left-wing blogs are the mirror image. They just have less credibility and less clout.

              by AlexDrew on Sat Feb 08, 2014 at 10:26:01 AM PST

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              •  Damned skippy. And I used to like him. (1+ / 0-)
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                I hate watching how DC turns people bad.

                I tried to go online to find a similar bear head...but when I searched “Big Bear Head” it gave me a San Diego craigslist ad entitled “Big Bear needs some quick head now” and then I just decided to never go on the internet again.--Jenny Lawson

                by SouthernLiberalinMD on Sat Feb 08, 2014 at 10:43:20 AM PST

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              •  Wall St is such a huge part of the economy and (0+ / 0-)

                budget of both the City of New York and the State of New York that I don't think you will ever have anti-Wall St Senators from New York, and particularly downstate New York.

                "let's talk about that"

                by VClib on Sat Feb 08, 2014 at 12:49:59 PM PST

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                •  That's logical. But since Wall St is comprised (2+ / 0-)
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                  of what appears to be the moral equivalent of a plague of locusts bent on destroying our economy, it's also dangerous. Destroying the influence is probably impossible; figuring out ways to restrain it, however high a mountain that is to climb, is probably necessary due to the extremism of the people involved.

                  I tried to go online to find a similar bear head...but when I searched “Big Bear Head” it gave me a San Diego craigslist ad entitled “Big Bear needs some quick head now” and then I just decided to never go on the internet again.--Jenny Lawson

                  by SouthernLiberalinMD on Sat Feb 08, 2014 at 01:41:37 PM PST

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      •  Small businesses, not just mega corporations, (2+ / 0-)
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        will have to pay this wage. I think Americans overwhelmingly support raising it to $10 because it's a reasonable jump and not such a big burden on local shop owners.

        Insist on $15 and I think you lose a great many who would support a lower increase.

        •  If they can't afford a higher minimum wage (4+ / 0-)

          they can't afford to be in business. My sister's small business bit the bullet and gave all their employees a starting salary of $13 per hour  and guess what…they had less turnover, few hours spent on training, less pilfering, happier employees, and you know what --higher sales. Happier, well paid employees are great salesmen and advocates for your company. In the end a raise in salary helped them make more money for their company and for the local economy.

        •  You pass it on. (5+ / 0-)

          There's no rider saying costs can't rise when you pay your employees more.  There are a few industries that will feel the hurt more - things like massages, where the vast majority of cost of goods sold is already labor.  But most small businesses try to keep their labor costs to something like a third or less of total costs.  If your labor costs go up 30%, your overall cost of goods sold only goes up about 10%.  So you (along with everybody else) raises your prices 10%.  Customers grumble, but a lot more people suddenly have 30% more money in their pockets, so they offset the drop from people who are unwilling to pay 10% more for things.

          •  Great explanation. Thank you. (1+ / 0-)
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            •  Well, there's greater nuance, actually. (2+ / 0-)
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              That was the generic version.  To be fair, in addition to specific, very labor cost intensive industries, there will also be variability depending upon the clientele of the business.  Those that cater to the lowest earners obviously benefit the most from such increases, because they'll get the most new traffic.  Those that still pay very low wages to employees, but cater to what's left of the 'middle class', the folks who buy brand new high end SUV's and whatnot, will take a hit, because the low end earners still won't be able to afford their services, and thus won't make up the difference in customers lost as prices go up.

              It's actually why such places as Walmart should be happy to see minimum wage increases - they've actually taken serious hits of late, because even the people who used to shop them are moving even further down, and hitting dollar stores more often.  Their own customer base are the very people who would spend more at Walmart with those increases.

              It's the $75 a meal and up places that will take a hit if they're still paying their servers so cheaply, because the $15 an hour folks still will only ever maybe go there for birthdays.  But they'll hit places like Olive Garden or Bob Evans a bit more often as 'treats'.

              •  Thank you for taking the time to write this up. (1+ / 0-)
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                I appreciate your effort to more fully explain the impact of this on small businesses. People who take the time to explain complicated matters in terms that even I can understand enhance the conversation a great deal. Thanks again.

          •  This is a very good argument. (0+ / 0-)

            But failing this argument convincing enough people, I'd still settle for the two-tier raise.

            I tried to go online to find a similar bear head...but when I searched “Big Bear Head” it gave me a San Diego craigslist ad entitled “Big Bear needs some quick head now” and then I just decided to never go on the internet again.--Jenny Lawson

            by SouthernLiberalinMD on Sat Feb 08, 2014 at 01:43:38 PM PST

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            •  Well, better any raise than none, but (0+ / 0-)

              I do dislike this continued tactic of low-balling from the start.  They always call him a crazy socialist anyway, so he might as well start higher, then after a while drop down, and look like he's bending over quite a bit to compromise and make them look even more like the ones who refuse to negotiate no matter what.

              •  Oh, sure. For an opening salvo (0+ / 0-)

                how about $17/hr for the big corporations and 13/hr for the small businesses? That way, at the end of the day you might get $15/hr for the big guys and $11/hr for the small businessmen.

                The thing is, Democratic politicians are terrified of pissing off the rich, which is why they don't obey the rules of bargaining 101.

                I tried to go online to find a similar bear head...but when I searched “Big Bear Head” it gave me a San Diego craigslist ad entitled “Big Bear needs some quick head now” and then I just decided to never go on the internet again.--Jenny Lawson

                by SouthernLiberalinMD on Sun Feb 09, 2014 at 10:14:19 AM PST

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                •  They are the rich (0+ / 0-)

                  Sad but true.

                  •  Nuh-uh. I'm not talking about (0+ / 0-)

                    "I've got 1-10 million dollars" rich. I'm talking "I've got 20 billion in personal wealth"rich. I'm talking the top 400 families in this country the top 85 people in the world rich.

                    To those guys, a Senator is just a middle manager--if not a servant.

                    I tried to go online to find a similar bear head...but when I searched “Big Bear Head” it gave me a San Diego craigslist ad entitled “Big Bear needs some quick head now” and then I just decided to never go on the internet again.--Jenny Lawson

                    by SouthernLiberalinMD on Sun Feb 09, 2014 at 11:54:36 AM PST

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                    •  $30000/ year (1+ / 0-)
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                      They act like $30000 a year for busting your ass is the powerball. Fifteen an hour is barely enough to live on. It is definitely not enough to pay rent, own a car and pay for college tuition and healthcare - pretty basic stuff. Until the eighties, minimum wage pretty much allowed these minimums. Ronny fucked that all up.

                      •  Back then, college tuition and housing (0+ / 0-)

                        was also affordable. My mom bought a house for under 50K. It was in North Florida, granted, but still.

                        I tried to go online to find a similar bear head...but when I searched “Big Bear Head” it gave me a San Diego craigslist ad entitled “Big Bear needs some quick head now” and then I just decided to never go on the internet again.--Jenny Lawson

                        by SouthernLiberalinMD on Sun Feb 09, 2014 at 12:26:35 PM PST

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        •  See my comment. Two-tiers of wage raise: (0+ / 0-)

          For businesses with less than 50 employees, raise it to $11/hr.

          For businesses with more than 50 employees, raise it to $15/hr.

          I tried to go online to find a similar bear head...but when I searched “Big Bear Head” it gave me a San Diego craigslist ad entitled “Big Bear needs some quick head now” and then I just decided to never go on the internet again.--Jenny Lawson

          by SouthernLiberalinMD on Sat Feb 08, 2014 at 01:42:25 PM PST

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      •  Not exactly true, as applied to min wage (0+ / 0-)
        Nobody is compensated less than American workers in any advanced society.
        Canada is 9.95, UK 10.02. Australia is highest at $16.88, but they seem to have a complex formula allowing lower amounts for trainees, apprentices, junior positions, etc.
        Miniimum wages by country

        The difference comes in the other social and safety net provisions.

        “Texas is a so-called red state, but you’ve got 10 million Democrats here in Texas. And …, there are a whole lot of people here in Texas who need us, and who need us to fight for them.” President Obama

        by Catte Nappe on Sat Feb 08, 2014 at 02:06:38 PM PST

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    •  Then what I wanna know is why our (4+ / 0-)

      president--who is a very smart man--believes that $10 per hour is the "right number" for a minimum wage.  

      You and I both know he doesn't believe that... $10 per hour is a number a McDonalds CEO might compromise for. Hell, I don't even think $15 an hour is enough to feed a family on…at least it's not enough here in California. A smart negotiator for minimum wage would start higher at you know like $19 an hour and then compromise downward. A good negotiator doesn't start low and then compromise lower. For Christ's sake how many times have we had to scream that to Democratic pols in the last twenty years. They. Don't. Give. A. Shit.

      As far as Obama using the bully pulpit to "push relentlessly" for a significant increase in the minimum
      wage…one speech at a Costco in January, one speech in Anacostia, D.C. in December of last year is hardly what I'd call a relentless push. Three speeches a week, getting on every Sunday talking head news program, etc., etc is  a relentless push. The president knew how to make a relentless push when he wanted to get elected and re-elected. Just think about how present he was when he was on the campaign trail. Obama chooses not to make that kind of push for minimum wage.  I'm pissed about that and I'm not alone.

      •  Librarianmom - no one starts a successful (1+ / 0-)
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        negotiation suggesting a 262% increase. The people on the other side will just leave the room. It's unreasonable on its face and marks you not as a good negotiator, but someone who isn't interested in negotiating. Remember any increase has to be brought to the House floor by the GOP leadership. An increase from $7.25 to $10.10 would be a 40% increase and an additional $2.85 per hour. The minimum wage in 2006 was $4.75 and legislation increased it to $5.85 in mid 2007, $6.55 in 2008 and $7.25 in 2009. That was a 53% increase over three+ years and an additional $2.50 per hour. The proposal to raise the minimum wage to $10.10, over a few years, looks consistent with past minimum wage legislation. Proposing $15/hr, or worse $19/hr, would never bring the GOP to the table. I think any increase in the minimum wage looks unlikely given the House leaderships'  view on this topic, but $10.10 is at least something they will talk about and consider.  

        "let's talk about that"

        by VClib on Sat Feb 08, 2014 at 01:10:24 PM PST

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        •  In addition (1+ / 0-)
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          The $10.10 amount is on the high side of where minimum wage has been over the years. According to this linked Congressional Research Report (pdf), the best we've ever had is 10.69 (adjusted for inflation) in 1968. It then slid to $9+ for a number of years. The lowest point since then was the equivalent of $6.58 in 2007.
          http://www.fas.org/...

          $10.10 says the wage will be above where it "should" be compared to the historical record, and with automatic inflation adjustment can rise from there. For those who are frustrated and disappointed with the current negotiation, this data is fair warning that the final outcome is likelier to end up being in the neighborhood of $9.

          “Texas is a so-called red state, but you’ve got 10 million Democrats here in Texas. And …, there are a whole lot of people here in Texas who need us, and who need us to fight for them.” President Obama

          by Catte Nappe on Sat Feb 08, 2014 at 01:53:34 PM PST

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      •  I wanna know that too. (1+ / 0-)
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        Johnny Q

        I tried to go online to find a similar bear head...but when I searched “Big Bear Head” it gave me a San Diego craigslist ad entitled “Big Bear needs some quick head now” and then I just decided to never go on the internet again.--Jenny Lawson

        by SouthernLiberalinMD on Sat Feb 08, 2014 at 01:57:47 PM PST

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    •  No hatefest...just a truthful conversation! (3+ / 0-)

      Anyone who can do real math and understands inflation knows the working class is getting shafted. The Diarist is just pointing this out.

    •  Yep. The only country that has the minimum (1+ / 0-)
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      wage in this range is Australia. Most developed countries have minimum wages in $5-12/hour range. So $10 adjusted for inflation is in line with it.

      http://en.wikipedia.org/...

  •  Has Obama ever actually played real chess? (5+ / 0-)

    Does he know how to play the real game of chess and did he ever play it? This question came up some years ago when people were talking about the 17 dimensional chess he was or was not playing.
    I spent some time searching and couldn't discover anything about his ever playing actual chess. As such I discounted the "He's playing 17 dimensional chess" meme on the grounds that someone who would be proficient in 17 dimensional chess would be proficient in 3 dimensional chess.
    they should probably come up with a better metaphor. I don't think he's a good poker player either, he tips his hand right at the start.

    If Obama was playing chess while everyone else was playing checkers it would indicate someone did not get the word.

    Happy just to be alive

    by exlrrp on Sat Feb 08, 2014 at 08:46:53 AM PST

    •  The 11-dimension chess meme (3+ / 0-)
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      came from someone mocking the people who claim Obama is so far ahead of the game. Those people then owned it and still use it.

      The reality is that Obama is a centrist. Right of center economically and center socially.

      He has gotten what he wants on most issues, and it appears he's going to get what he wants wrt minimum wage.

      Why some people demand he show his progressive cred baffles me. He's never had any. He was always a moderate.

      P.S. I am not a crackpot.

      by BoiseBlue on Sat Feb 08, 2014 at 08:53:43 AM PST

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      •  Centrist (2+ / 0-)
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        He is actually right-leaning on the economy. He has done next to nothing for unions, is for a late and lame minimum wage increase and is fast tracking the TPP. Add it up and we continue to drift to the right not the left.

      •  BB, most people forget that he did not court (3+ / 0-)
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        Liberals. He allowed us to project onto him what we wanted to see. Brilliant actually.

        New Republic: So are the left-wing blogs as bad as the Tea Party ones in this case? -------------------------Chuck Schumer: Left-wing blogs are the mirror image. They just have less credibility and less clout.

        by AlexDrew on Sat Feb 08, 2014 at 09:41:46 AM PST

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      •  Moderate is a rather kind word for (1+ / 0-)
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        cutting domestic non-security spending to tatters under near-Depression conditions.

        I tried to go online to find a similar bear head...but when I searched “Big Bear Head” it gave me a San Diego craigslist ad entitled “Big Bear needs some quick head now” and then I just decided to never go on the internet again.--Jenny Lawson

        by SouthernLiberalinMD on Sat Feb 08, 2014 at 01:47:13 PM PST

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      •  I'm not sure there's anything "moderate" (1+ / 0-)
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        about Social Security cuts either.

        Allowing the craziest Ayn Rand advocates in the country to set the rightward boundary, finding some mild-mannered pragmatist like Chris Van Hollen to set the leftward boundary, and then taking a push pin and stabbing into the midpoint between those two positions is not "moderate."

        I tried to go online to find a similar bear head...but when I searched “Big Bear Head” it gave me a San Diego craigslist ad entitled “Big Bear needs some quick head now” and then I just decided to never go on the internet again.--Jenny Lawson

        by SouthernLiberalinMD on Sat Feb 08, 2014 at 01:48:59 PM PST

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  •  Looks more like 52 card pickup to me. (8+ / 0-)

    With the 99% on the other side.

  •  O's plan includes indexing it to inflation. (8+ / 0-)

    So, while it may start out low, it won't stay there. It will rise as inflation rises.

    The lack of any mechanism to raise the minimum wage as the cost of living rises is what has kept it so low.

    Obama is arguing for a dynamic minimum wage, not a stagnant one. This is overall good policy.

    •  Indexing to inflation (2+ / 0-)
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      That only makes it more vital to start off at the right point. If we start too low, we stay too low. The indexing measures are substandard -- sounds good on paper, but...they don't use energy or food costs in their indexing! And these are the two costs that eat up people's discrentionary income! This is effing with the numbers!

  •  What Else is New? (4+ / 11-)

    Anyway, one MUST truly wonder: Is it about a False Flag Politician or simply a Thoroughly Disgusting Coward?  If G. W. Bush had been allowed to continue his Presidency through 2009 until now, half the destruction and dismantling of the middle class which has occurred in America under Obama would never had taken place.  

    Then there is the irrevocable damage that BO has done to the notion of true justice in America.  For me, that has been criminal to the nth degree.  

    Yeah, "Change We Can Believe In."  Don't you just love it?

    Hey, do you notice how BO - when he (supposedly) is upset about a bill that has not been enacted (or has been filibustered) by the Republicans, he doesn't call out those Republicans by name; instead, he calls out Congress generally. What a diaper dump that is.  Also, what a stink of utter cravenness and spinelessness that leaves.  

    My advice: Get used to many more pipelines, many more TTPs, even greater disintegration of the middle class, and an even a more successful war against the defenseless poor.  There's the New World Order and the complete maturation of total economic servitude in America for you, and it's here to stay.  

    Thoughts of what Obama, the replete corporatist, and his feckless Democratic Party cohorts have done, or not done, constantly turn my stomach.  The name Dianne Feinstein also comes to mind and stomach here.  Who knew?  

    May God help us.

  •  Not to turn this into a pound Obama (9+ / 0-)

    thread, but if you really want to see some bad negotiation skills you really need to look no further than Keystone Pipeline.  

    Why not demand something in return if they want to use our country as a poop chute?

    "So listen, oh, Don't wait." Vampire Weekend.

    by Publius2008 on Sat Feb 08, 2014 at 09:12:42 AM PST

    •  Exactly (3+ / 0-)
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      I know this is socialist talk, but why don't we get a take of the Bakken oil, a take from the coal and ore industries, a take from the farmers, a take from the timber industry, a take from the biotech industry. We give them our resources to exploit with little direct compensation. U.S. Is the great whore.

      •  It's called being colonized. (0+ / 0-)

        We export the raw materials. We get the pollution and the crappy labor conditions, and the crappy wages; a handful of rich people around here get profits; a bunch of rich people overseas get profits; and people overseas get the raw materials.

        It's colonization, just with a catastrophic conclusion attached to it because of certain niggling chemical laws.

        I tried to go online to find a similar bear head...but when I searched “Big Bear Head” it gave me a San Diego craigslist ad entitled “Big Bear needs some quick head now” and then I just decided to never go on the internet again.--Jenny Lawson

        by SouthernLiberalinMD on Sat Feb 08, 2014 at 01:52:15 PM PST

        [ Parent ]

    •  Probably because there's nothing that can be (0+ / 0-)

      demanded that could actually offset the damage done if KXL is approved.  You would have to come up with some other climate-related demand that actually keeps more fossil fuels in the ground than nixing the KXL would.  And I don't see Republicans agreeing to a complete moratorium on oil and gas production in the US in exchange, for instance.

      Anything else is rearranging the deck chairs on our planetary Titanic.

      •  They don't necessarily need the US (0+ / 0-)

        to produce oil, just a place to ship it to to evade taxation and to otherwise pay the price for the pipeline's manifest stupidity.  For instance, if they really want to export to access the world market and not just to the USA, why don't they just build the pipeline to Vancouver, which would make a hell of lot more sense than Louisiana logistically?

        "So listen, oh, Don't wait." Vampire Weekend.

        by Publius2008 on Sat Feb 08, 2014 at 10:51:45 AM PST

        [ Parent ]

  •  OMG,yet another Obama ain't shit (6+ / 0-)

    whine fest. ACA is what it is because anything more was NOT POLITICALLY DOABLE. 10.10 federal minimum wage is what is politically doable. Does ANYONE here honestly think that a Republican Congress, the same Congress by the way, that just rejected a extension of unemployment benefits for the umpteen time is really going to even consider anything more, not to mention passing? The same Congress that did EVERYTHING in it's power to stop Elizabeth Warren from becoming head of CPB. The same Congress that TO THIS DAY is still trying to weaken ACA, a bill that has helped millions already, but for some of you is just a piece of shit .
    The states are always free to put the minimum wage higher if they choose to do so.
    By the way, instead of bitching why not we ALL get off our asses and get out there to work on electing a more progressive Congress. After all, 2010 was in our hands AND WE BLEW IT! That's what got us in this situation to begin with.
     Obama's ability to get progressive legislation passed goes nowhere without  a Congress willing to help. Despite what the right wing likes to say, Obama is not a dictator , though after reading many comments on this and other posts, I'm starting to believe some of you think he is.

  •  We're talking about a NATIONAL minimum wage (3+ / 0-)
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    It makes sense for some locales with higher costs of living to have a higher minimum wage than areas with lower costs of living. Although raising the minimum wage nationally will be good overall and needs to be done--I have argued for this in past comments on this site and elsewhere--the national rate should not be pegged to what would make sense for California. Don't worry about us. We here are still capable of setting our state minimum above the national rate, just as we have been doing for decades.

    My country, right or wrong; if right, to be kept right; and if wrong, to be set right.
    --Carl Schurz, remarks in the Senate, February 29, 1872

    by leftist vegetarian patriot on Sat Feb 08, 2014 at 09:49:10 AM PST

  •  The Democrats are playing Dodge Ball. (4+ / 0-)

    How can I push all these crappy policies my donors want me to push while dodging responsibility for it?

    If the Tea Party ever went bankrupt, they would panic, because do they ever need the distraction!

    I tried to go online to find a similar bear head...but when I searched “Big Bear Head” it gave me a San Diego craigslist ad entitled “Big Bear needs some quick head now” and then I just decided to never go on the internet again.--Jenny Lawson

    by SouthernLiberalinMD on Sat Feb 08, 2014 at 09:51:10 AM PST

  •  Mr. Obama is indeed playing chess... badly. (4+ / 0-)

    What we need is a world-class poker player.

    When you triangulate everything, you can't even roll downhill...

    by PhilJD on Sat Feb 08, 2014 at 10:13:50 AM PST

  •  Leaving aside your political points... (3+ / 0-)
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    you apparently don't know much chess history.

    17... Be6!!

        This stunning stratagem is the move that made this game famous. Instead of saving his queen, Fischer offers to sacrifice it. Fischer pointed out that 17...Nb5? loses to 18.Bxf7+ Kxf7 19.Qb3+ Be6 20.Ng5+ Kg8 21.Nxe6 Nxd4 22.Nxd4+ Qxb3 23.Nxb3.

    Non futuis apud Boston

    by kenlac on Sat Feb 08, 2014 at 12:04:04 PM PST

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