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What embarrassed the nation was the GOP impeachment of a president for no reason other than he was a Democrat.

After Reagan, there were only supposed to be Republican presidents.

And "embarrassing" is about the most charitable word that comes to mind regarding Mitt Romney's most recent campaign.

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  •  Tip Jar (9+ / 0-)

    Citing the Bible as proof of God is like citing comic books to prove the existence of Superman. (h/t to Stevie Ray Fromstein @ TheHolyAtheist.com)

    by rdbaker43 on Sun Feb 16, 2014 at 01:16:22 PM PST

  •  Romney will run again... (10+ / 0-)

    ...and he will have to self-fund to get in. He may hav to self-fund to become the nominee.

    And he will lose.

    And then will come 2020...

    Lather, Reince. repest.

    He's the White Horse('s Ass) Candidate.

    Float like a manhole cover, sting like a sash weight! Clean Coal Is A Clinker!

    by JeffW on Sun Feb 16, 2014 at 01:30:13 PM PST

  •  I saw that on Meet the Press this AM and thought (9+ / 0-)

    to myself, is that all you got??

    Another loser like McCain being dragged out every Sunday to provide "balance" to the equation.

    All these losers should just go away. The people rejected them and their collective ideas.

    UID 35,098 Nov. 12, 2004. Seems like yesterday.

    by flatford39 on Sun Feb 16, 2014 at 01:31:45 PM PST

  •  Can I think BOTH were embarrassing for the (5+ / 0-)

    country?  

    Yep, I do think the fact that Bill Clinton had an intern performing oral sex on him in the President's offices was an embarrassing episode for this country.  If one of the partners in our law firm behaved that way with a summer intern, it would be embarrassing, sure, but more than that, it would be hugely wrong, and likely a sexual harassment issue because of the relative positions of the two people.  A partner at our law firm who did that kind of thing would likely be forced out of the firm.  (I am very familiar with one firm where similar behavior between partners and secretaries did cause the partners to be ousted.) President Clinton's behavior while President was a huge embarrassment for this country.

    That said, the way that the Republicans in Congress handled it was equally embarrassing.  I was equally mortified by the fact that Congress essentially brought the country to a halt to focus on that in an impeachment process that had no chance of doing anything other than reminding us, day after day after day, of President Clinton's own sordid and embarrassing behavior.

    How much better for the country if, when this first came to light (and yes, it was through the Drudge Report), President Clinton, instead of lying and denying and fighting back as he did for so long, had done a mea culpa and said how wrong it was, said how he embarrassed the country, and said that he would sincerely accept the censure of Congress for his horrible behavior in office.  And how much better for the country if, had President Clinton done that, the Congress had accepted the mea culpa, done a censure to make clear their position on someone misusing political office for what was essentially sexual harassment of an intern, and then moved on.

    Count me as one who thinks everybody behaved abominably in that whole sordid episode, and who thinks that everybody embarrassed the country.  

    •  Yes, both were embarrassing (3+ / 0-)

      However, it was the GOP who inflicted the embarrassment in both cases.

      Clinton's entirely private actions were dragged into the public arena by the GOP in the hope that he would resign. When he did not, the GOP tried to remove him through impeachment and failed.

      Citing the Bible as proof of God is like citing comic books to prove the existence of Superman. (h/t to Stevie Ray Fromstein @ TheHolyAtheist.com)

      by rdbaker43 on Sun Feb 16, 2014 at 02:33:14 PM PST

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      •  I disagree that it was "entirely private actions." (3+ / 0-)
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        GAKeynesian, Sparhawk, VClib

        And it was not dragged into the public arena by Republicans.  It was discovered by Newsweek -- who sat on the story until Drudge found out they were sitting on the story and put it on his website.  I'm old enough to remember when it happened.  But you can read about it here or here or here or here. Or, for a more firsthand account, see here.  Republicans didn't expose the Lewinsky thing -- Newsweek did.  Drudge published when he found out Newsweek was sitting on the story.  

        But more importantly, when a person in a position of power engages in sex in the office with a person in a low position (like an intern), that's NOT an "entirely private action."  That's often misuse of a position for sexual harassment purposes -- even if the woman in the lower rung position doesn't initially complain.  The lawsuit comes when the person in power ends the relationship and the person in the lower rung feels cast off.  Doing something like that in the workplace is most certainly NOT "purely private actions."  

        If a CEO of a company did the same thing in the office with an intern, it would NOT be "purely private actions."  As I said, if one of our partners was engaging in that behavior in our office with a summer intern, it would NOT be "purely private actions."  It would likely expose our business to a sexual harassment claim.  And he would likely be removed for our firm (that's exactly what happened at another firm -- the partners were removed, and the claims of sexual harassment by the secretaries were settled by the firm.)

        I am not in any way, shape or form giving Republicans a pass here. They acted horribly in the impeachment process. I completely agree with anyone who criticizes them for the way they handled this after the fact.  But I vehemently disagree with your attempt to give President Clinton a pass by calling it "purely private behavior."  The Republicans actions after the President's behavior became public does not in any way, shape, or form detract from the President's own culpability in this as well.  

      •  The GOP should not have impeached the President (0+ / 0-)

        but remember the impeachment was for lying under oath. President Clinton was an attorney, law school professor, and Attorney General of Arkansas. If anyone knew that lying under oath was a crime, it was Bill Clinton.

        Most senior executives, or college Presidents would have been terminated for having oral sex with an intern in their business office. But Presidents are elected and neither the highly inappropriate behavior in the White House or the lying under oath, for which his law license was suspended, were grounds for impeachment in my view. However, this was a self inflicted wound and the blame lies squarely with President Clinton.  

        "let's talk about that"

        by VClib on Mon Feb 17, 2014 at 12:50:39 PM PST

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  •  Can we not forget Mittens accepted an amnesty deal (4+ / 0-)
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    JeffW, Hillbilly Dem, vcmvo2, roberb7

    For tax evasion relating to his Swiss bank accounts? Among so much else he's done, very embarrassing.

  •  Clinton lied under oath in a federal court (4+ / 0-)
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    proceeding - and later "voluntarily" gave up his license to practice law before he could be formally disbarred.

    He got blow jobs in the Oval Office from a person not his spouse.

    He DID embarrass the nation - and so many of us who had campaigned for him.

    I agree that impeachment was over the top.

    But ....

    In my opinion Bill Clinton made George W. Bush President.  If Bill Clinton had done the honorable thing and resigned, making Al Gore the President, Gore would have run in 2000 as the incumbent during a period of record employment, ballooning federal surpluses, declining deficits and a humming economy.  Gore would not have had the Oval Office blow jobs and wife cheating as his baggage.  Gore would have won handily - and we may have avoided the disastrous Iraq war.  We would have a solid majority of Democrats on the US Supreme Court - not Chief Justice Roberts or right wing Justice Alito.

    Clinton's Oval Office blow jobs cost this nation greatly.

  •  I say "BULLSHIT! (5+ / 0-)

    The GREED demonstrated by Mitt Romney's entire LIFE how he has chosen to "earn a living" demonstrates his complete and utter LACK of a moral or ethical code.  I find it utterly astounding that he believes that he has the right or the ability to go on the media and criticise ANYONE, given his failings...

  •  Who Cares? (6+ / 0-)

    When Republicans bring up the Lewinsky scandal, it only makes them look extremely dated. I'm in my early 20s and the Lewinsky scandal is really just a vague memory for me. I really could not give a shit about what Bill did in the 90s, and I'm sure most young voters feel the same way.

    •  but in 2000 people did give a shit (0+ / 0-)

      and Gore's connection to Clinton hurt him among many voters

      •  HUH??? (2+ / 0-)
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        JeffW, vcmvo2

        did Clinton actually campaign for Gore in one single state?

        "It is essential that there should be organization of Labor. Capital organizes & therefore Labor must organize" Theodore Roosevelt

        by Superpole on Sun Feb 16, 2014 at 02:35:05 PM PST

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      •  Most political observers feel the reverse (3+ / 0-)
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        Calamity Jean, akeitz, vcmvo2

        There's a widespread feeling that distancing himself from Clinton and refusing to campaign with the very popular president cost Gore the election. Well, that and Katherine Harris.

        Ed FitzGerald for governor Of Ohio. Women's lives depend on it. http://www.edfitzgeraldforohio.com/

        by anastasia p on Sun Feb 16, 2014 at 03:25:51 PM PST

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        •  Yep, that's the vibe I got at the time. (1+ / 0-)
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          vcmvo2

          Granted I live in the Washington, DC 'burbs and I'm old enough to have voted for Mike Dukkakis as well as Clinton-Gore-Kerry-Obama :-)

          Nobody but nobody was against Gore because of Clinton's blow job.  The Gore haters hated his stands on the environment and were convinced that Gore was taking money from Chinese nationals.  I always thought Gore should have embraced Bill Clinton and chosen Bob Graham of FL as his running mate.

          Gore lost because he turned out to be a sanctimonious prick.

  •  What a jerk (8+ / 0-)

    Clinton was very gracious to Romney during the campaign. He invited Romney to speak at the Clinton Global Initiative, and he put in a personal call to Romney, and had a warm conversation with him, after his concession speech.

    Romney's remark today was yet another reminder that he can't stop himself from saying the wrong thing and being a jerk. His gaffes during his European trip and his 47% remarks were no accident,  but rather revealed who he truly is.

  •  #ROMNEYSHAMBLES (2+ / 0-)
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    JeffW, vcmvo2

    "What could BPossibly go wrong??" -RLMiller "God is just pretend." - eru

    by nosleep4u on Sun Feb 16, 2014 at 02:18:49 PM PST

  •  Willard Again Has Messed up Priorities (3+ / 0-)
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    JeffW, anastasia p, Calamity Jean

    Bill Clinton being dumb enough to listen to Summers and Rubin, re: get rid of Glass-Steagall is a wayyyy bigger problem than whatever Rmoney is babbling about.

    Clinton himself admitted it.

    "It is essential that there should be organization of Labor. Capital organizes & therefore Labor must organize" Theodore Roosevelt

    by Superpole on Sun Feb 16, 2014 at 02:34:04 PM PST

  •  Hey ’pubbies! (3+ / 0-)
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    JeffW, Calamity Jean, vcmvo2

    Still beating THIS dead horse? Wow, you really don't have ANYTHING productive to propose do you — no platform that would appeal to much of anyone, no helpful programs, no jobs bill, no nothing.

    And remember what happened last time you beat this particular dead horse? Right — Americans rallied behind Clinton, not you, because they thought this whole episode was not germane to their well-being and that you were making much ado about nothing.

    You idiots.

    Ed FitzGerald for governor Of Ohio. Women's lives depend on it. http://www.edfitzgeraldforohio.com/

    by anastasia p on Sun Feb 16, 2014 at 03:16:43 PM PST

  •  A tryst (3+ / 0-)
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    JeffW, Calamity Jean, vcmvo2

    between two consenting adults who work together is not on my short list of national embarrassments by a President. In fact, the nation should be embarrassed that we still collectively give a damn about what two adults do in bed to the point that it can rise to a constitutional crisis. That is embarrassing that we still of all developed nations are emotionally stunted by Puritanism when it comes to sex.

    My list on Presidents who embarrassed the nation would include the President who gave high praise to Birth of a Nation or the President who vomited on the President of Japan or the President who appointed a nut like John Bolton to the U.N. or had a vice-President who shot his friend on a hunting trip or who presided over American citizens drowning in a major American city as if we were a third world country.

    That last one goes beyond mere embarassment. That is the epic national shame of our time.

    Monica Lewinsky? Give me a break.

    "I am not interested in picking up crumbs of compassion thrown from the table of someone who considers himself my master. I want the full menu of rights." (From "You Said a Mouthful" by Bishop Desmond Tutu - South African bishop & activist, b.1931)

    by FiredUpInCA on Sun Feb 16, 2014 at 03:27:04 PM PST

    •  I don't hold the vomit against H. W. Bush (1+ / 0-)
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      FiredUpInCA

      I have some sympathy for George H.W. Bush and his getting sick at  the Japanese state dinner.  Doesn't mean I don't hold him responsible for the ugliness of the 1988 election but I don't think he planned to get sick.

      But a big YEAH to being embarrassed by Woodrow Wilson and George W. Bush

  •  Willard = waste of molecules (2+ / 0-)
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    JeffW, vcmvo2

    Clinton's shortcomings?  Come on, Romney.  Admit it.  You and the pack of GOP clowns who were chasing after the Presidency in 2012 were among the most embarrassing ordeals our nation has ever had to endure.  I don't think we'll ever live that down.  You guys made our country the laughingstock of the world. What a waste of molecules you are, Willard.  A total, fricking waste.

  •  It's not about Bill (2+ / 0-)
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    JeffW, vcmvo2

    It's totally about Hillary 2016. That's the only reason he would bring this up.

    If the pilot's good, see, I mean if he's reeeally sharp, he can barrel that baby in so low... oh you oughta see it sometime. It's a sight. A big plane like a '52... varrrooom! Its jet exhaust... frying chickens in the barnyard!

    by Major Kong on Sun Feb 16, 2014 at 05:07:20 PM PST

  •  Mittens Romoney Lied MORE (4+ / 0-)
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    vcmvo2, JeffW, diffrntdrummr, gardnerhill

    Dear Mittens,
    I would bet the ranch, that you lied more during your failed attempt to become President, than Bill Clinton did in 8 years of being President.
    I also believe the Clintons produced their tax returns.

  •  He didn't "embarrass the nation" (0+ / 0-)

    Because the rest of the world never cared about BJs. That was always only an American problem. Everyone else scratched their heads at this, and still does.

    I tell you one thing Clinton gave the nation, however. Surpluses - something no Republican President has done in much less than living memory.

    Rick Perry - the greatest scientist since Galileo!

    by Bobs Telecaster on Sun Feb 16, 2014 at 07:15:21 PM PST

  •  Mitt Romney says a lot of things.... (0+ / 0-)

    Most of which are proven to be lies. And the only thing that I remember being "Embarrassing" about that time is the fact that Congress was trying to impeach a President over a blow-job.

  •  Jesus, Mitt, just go the fuck AWAY already. (1+ / 0-)
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    StillAmused

    Go hang out in one of your scam-religion palaces, with your hateful wife and your nasty-ass spoiled kids, swimming in a pool filled with the money you made stealing jobs from Americans.

    You know what would make your 2012 stomping even sweeter, with you being Mormon? Seeing a black man - and then a WOMAN - gain the office you thought was your rightful due as the White Male.

    Thank God, the Bob Fosse Kid is here! - Colin Mochrie

    by gardnerhill on Sun Feb 16, 2014 at 10:55:56 PM PST

  •  Technical question: (0+ / 0-)

    Is this about the privileged innocent who bragged that she was going to Washington to "earn [her] presidential kneepads"?

    From Priebus to Randy to Mitt, the GOP is flying along the beachline, towing a gigantic banner that reads "We're Substantively Impoverished — And We're Gonna PROVE It!".

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