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Comic book geeks are in an uproar over the casting of African American actor Michael B. Jordan as Johnny Storm (aka The Human Torch) in the upcoming Fantastic Four movie.  I didn't know comic book purists carried so much racial baggage. LOL.

Producers for the new movie announced the new cast recently, which also includes Miles Teller as Reed Richards (Mr. Fantastic), Kate Mara as Sue Storm (The Invisible Girl) and Jamie Bell as Ben Grimm (The Thing).

What has most of the geeks spun up is that in the comic book Sue and Johnny Storm are full biological siblings and they're both white and blonde.  The geeks are in a tizzy over the "political correctness" of making Johnny black and can't wrap their minds around how a black guy and a white girl can be siblings.  Guess they never heard of step-siblings or half-siblings.

Anyway, reading some of the comments made by comic book "purists" on a story running on Variety.Com (http://variety.com/...) made me alternately laugh, sigh and want to punch somebody.  Many of these people really take these comic book stories seriously...way too seriously.  But if you're a true comic book geek, I guess that what you do.

Here are a few of their comments (please note the times most of these folks posted their comments, apparently they were so mad they couldn't sleep):  

Jim says:
February 20, 2014 at 5:01 am
I wish stan lee would stand up and say …what r u doing messing with the fabric of my characters???? These characters have been around since Kennedy was in office!!! Enough of this stupid Pc bullsh*t ….I cant stand another minute of it…omg I’m gonna go insane. The idiots casting the movie I guess don’t care that the storms are biological brother and sister?!!!!!!! Wont be watching this….the cast look like a bunch of creeps anyway…how can we take this stupid movie seriously…what a waste….how bout we make the 70s Dracula character “blacula” and call him whiteula…this is feces

Comic geek says:
February 20, 2014 at 4:36 am
WHAT the F**K??? Why do they keep casting black people in roles that were made and written in the comics as white people…..NOWHERE in Fantastic Fours history has any of them EVER been black, same thing goes with the casting of Samuel L Jackson as Nick Fury in the Iron man series….NICK FURY was a white man……Marvel Studios need to get their shit straight…..the comic geekks like myself that know the true history of comic series’ are up in arms over the discrepancies in these movies…..I hate this sh*t, and will not be seeing this one either

mark says:
February 20, 2014 at 4:52 am
I agree! Hollywood get you heads out of your ass’s ! Why did we need a reboot anyways? To get a black guy into the franchise? Is he gay too? Because that is really really important now!

Ismael says:
February 20, 2014 at 3:06 am
wtf is this sh*t, i don’t care much for the Fantastic Four, but damn what a sh*tty cast. why is human torch black. it’s makes no sense with the original store line. new hollywood bullsh*t.

RelLotHgil says:
February 20, 2014 at 1:36 am
I don’t know who any of these people are, but think this casting is absolutely hilarious looking. None of them say ‘Reed, Sue, Ben, Johnny’.
And I’ve heard black people complain about this fellow being put in like this.

Andy Hooper says:
February 19, 2014 at 10:25 pm
...not trying to sound racist here, but seriously, directors, Stop trying to change a superheroes race. I mean, you’ve been trying to make Spider-man black for many years now, Dwayne “The Rock” Johnson, a half black, half Hawaiian, may be playing Luke Cage who is all black, and now you want Johnny Storm as a black guy when his sister is white. Even Kingpin was black, MCD was one of my favorite actors of all time and may he rest in peace, but that is one reason why Daredevil flopped, I’m sorry. What’s next, Black Panther played by a Korean guy, Storm of the X-men played by Sarah Silverman? Stick with the way they are in the comic books. Whatever happened to, “If it’s not broke, don’t fix it”? Times like these make me wish I finished film school.

Victor Jarvis says:
February 19, 2014 at 10:04 pm
Did the Human Torch turn black after being burned by his own flames?

And I thought words like "Bam!," "Thok!,"Zaaap!" and "Wham!" were the most colorful words used in comic book geek lingo.

Bottom line: I can't wait for Fox News' Megyn Kelly to step in and settle this for once and for all.  She's good at sorting through stuff like this.

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  •  Just making it clear, kids. (1+ / 0-)
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    So you know, Megyn is white.

  •  never piss off the geeks (9+ / 0-)
    What has most of the geeks spun up is that in the comic book Sue and Johnny Storm are full biological siblings and they're both white and blonde.  The geeks are in a tizzy over the "political correctness" of making Johnny black and can't wrap their minds around how a black guy and a white girl can be siblings.  Guess they never heard of step-siblings or half-siblings.
    Which are Not full biological siblings. So it doesn't matter if they ever heard of the other kinds. The character back stories are being altered.

    From a marketing perspective, those geeks are your target demographic, so i don't see the sense of irritating them. I am quite certain that Dr. Sheldon Cooper will have things to say about this...

    I wonder what would be the reaction if they kept them as full brother/sister but made both of them African American.

  •  They could still be full biological bro and sis. (2+ / 0-)
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    That does happen.

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    by Floyd Blue on Thu Feb 20, 2014 at 06:51:55 AM PST

  •  oh, white people. (4+ / 0-)

    Dawkins is to atheism as Rand is to personal responsibility

    by terrypinder on Thu Feb 20, 2014 at 07:08:12 AM PST

  •  The same guyz who insist James Bond always (3+ / 0-)
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    be a white guy, and Doctor Who be a tall straight white male (tho the BEEB is going wild this time out and allowing the actor to deploy his 'real' Scottish speaking voice).

    To be fair, some of the complaints are more about a perceived cluelessness in ALL the casting choices, and the anticipation of yet another lame effort in this new world where every summer movie either has to feature a MARVEL superhero or manly Greco-Romans or lots of young girls with really nice tits (ideally all three).

  •  They had this... (2+ / 0-)
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    with the Willis' on the Jeffersons way back in the 1970s...the decade in which America peaked.

    The nation has been in decline since then, and this is just more evidence.

    "It's almost as if we're watching Mitt Romney on Safari in his own country." -- Jonathan Capeheart

    by JackND on Thu Feb 20, 2014 at 07:13:35 AM PST

  •  My favorite part of the first geek comment (7+ / 0-)

    "How can we take this stupid movie seriously"? Very few things actually make me laugh out loud when I read them, but that did

  •  you'd think they'd be more upset at (7+ / 0-)

    yet another stupid reboot.

    Dawkins is to atheism as Rand is to personal responsibility

    by terrypinder on Thu Feb 20, 2014 at 07:20:56 AM PST

  •  There are certainly racist comic book fans (8+ / 0-)

    But, one must also consider that any change to what is perceived as canon by comic book geeks will be violently opposed per natural habit - i.e., they will fight tooth and nail, arguing quite strenuously and even to the point of total insensitivity or illogic, to express their displeasure with how the world is possibly changing beneath their feet.  Because, these fantasy elements are a part of their world and what they identify with.
    There's as much racism as in the genpop, yes - but, there's also a significant geek battle against perceived change.

    Something to consider.

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    by wader on Thu Feb 20, 2014 at 07:30:04 AM PST

    •  Isn't the geeks being upset that makes this (3+ / 0-)
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      so much fun.  They're going to be upset at anything that isn't canon, and quite frankly there's gonna be a lot that isn't canon. It's the racists that aren't geeks that make this so much fun, like the quoted guy in the post who doesn't like the FF, but had to get in his 2¢ worth anyway. Those guys and megyn kelly are the ones that make this so much fun.  I think Stan Lee feels the same way.

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      by dougymi on Thu Feb 20, 2014 at 07:56:01 AM PST

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      •  Sure, I'm just trying to ensure people understand (1+ / 0-)
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        that the non-racist geeks and racists will actually have passing resemblances to observers, until you note that one set is talking also (or exclusively) about perceived racial problems that they've imagined.

        Then again, I think making Galactus an Asian Indian woman would have been even more cool.

        "So, please stay where you are. Don't move and don't panic. Don't take off your shoes! Jobs is on the way."

        by wader on Thu Feb 20, 2014 at 01:46:22 PM PST

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  •  This is going to make little kids... (1+ / 0-)
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    ask questions. And some of them will be lucky enough to have an adult around who knows a little bit about genetics, so they'll learn something.

    I remember watching Kung Fu as a kid and asking "Why do all these people Cain just met call him ‘Chinee’? He doesn't look asian at all". Turns out we were supposed to pretend he looked Chinese, but they didn't want to give a TV show to an actual asian. So I learned something.

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    by Darwinian Detritus on Thu Feb 20, 2014 at 07:38:23 AM PST

  •  My son is a huge comic geek (5+ / 0-)
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    and he's also biracial and gay so I'll be curious to hear his reaction to the reaction.

    Meantime, I agree with this from ThinkProgress:

    I expect their grumblings to resurface, though I’d issue the usual reminder that there’s something screwy in the functioning of an imagination that can stretch to accommodate the idea of a man bursting into flame and into flight, but not that man having dark skin. And of course, whenever fans of comics–a form that constantly puts the reset button on its characters, slingshotting them between worlds and timelines and bodies–dig in their heels on a character’s race, it’s worth asking what reasons, other than tradition, they have on insisting on someone’s whiteness.

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    by Vita Brevis on Thu Feb 20, 2014 at 07:54:25 AM PST

  •  It has nothing to do with being 'pc' as some (2+ / 0-)
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    of the comic fans' comments claim. It has everything to do with $$$. More and more ticket buyers to summer movies (and comic book readers) arent white kids. Thats just the way it is.
    And its only going to be more so. Hey, its not as if DC and MARVEL ignore demographics either. Having a black Green Lantern, or a Bi/lesbian Catwoman etc didnt happen because comic book publishers are all civil rights leaders. It happens because they dont want to become irrelevant, ie extinct.

  •  Loose canons-sheesh! n/t (2+ / 0-)
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    by JeffW on Thu Feb 20, 2014 at 08:30:59 AM PST

  •  I would hope my stance on things like racism in (1+ / 0-)
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    our society was known by this point... and yeah I'm not feelin the "black johnny storm" thing anymore than I would want to see peter dinklage as Beowulf or hayden christensen as Bigger Thomas.

    here's what I said to "Son of Baldwin" on fb (who, in a seriously un-Baldwin-like dick move, deleted me instead of debating me)

    "the whole point, to me, of the johnny storm character was always that he was an entitled prick.  WHY was he an entitled prick?  because he'd hit the American Genetic Lottery:  blonde, blue eyed, good looking, young, athletic, rich and famous.  this was BEFORE the powers."  likewise I seethed at alba's casting in the first series.  and don't say THAT didn't matter cause why the wig and contacts then?

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    by mallyroyal on Thu Feb 20, 2014 at 08:39:47 AM PST

  •  but occasionally they are stupid. (3+ / 0-)

    I gave up comics when they hit 50 cents, so I'm not that up on things, but I don't think it's about continuity, it's about respect.
    Nick Fury started as Sgt. Fury, WW2 hero. That character needed a reboot to make sense. Casting Samuel l. Jackson was just fine.
    I believe that casting a black man as Reed Richards would also have been fine. Sue and Johnny would, considering that Sue was conceived by someone who was frankly unenlightened in the pre-sixties, be an improvement. An all black FF? Why not?
    The problem is, I think, that making Johnny black but not Sue shows disrespect for the audience. It smacks of shock value, disregard for continuity, (as opposed to a necessary or a positive change) and BTW, since when does the ingenue role always have to go to a caucasian?

  •  Really? Another FF movie? And yes, race matters. (1+ / 0-)
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    Will Smith in "The Wild Wild West"? Bad.  In "Enemy of the State"? Good.  

    I don't know who Michael B. Jordan is, but as crappy as the Fantastic Four franchise has been handled, I suspect his skin color will be the least of concerns.

    "It ain’t supposed to make sense; it’s faith. Faith is something that you believe that nobody in his right mind would believe." - Archie Bunker

    by Banach MacAmbrais on Thu Feb 20, 2014 at 09:57:35 AM PST

  •  some of the history of comics (2+ / 0-)
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    includes major LSD use during the writing of them. and the plots/characters sure show some wackiness.
    not exactly Dostoevsky material to begin with.
    and how many of the comic movies stick to script anyway- not many.

    i was a fan of FF as a kid because they were one of the few to have a woman in them. good to see more diversity at least in the comic world. in real life it still seems to be a work in progress.

     i like fantasy, but i do wish we would see better movies made. it takes some decent actors to say those terrible lines in those bad parts. maybe that is why you are seeing Ben kingsley, Samuel L jackson, tom hiddleston, John c. reilly being cast. you need actors not heroes.

    this really does seem to be racist. you cant bring up the nutty comics as set in stone.

  •  There was a time when blacks literally were human (0+ / 0-)

    torches. I have nothing against geeks but let this one go.

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    by Mokislab on Thu Feb 20, 2014 at 11:15:08 AM PST

  •  Well... (2+ / 0-)
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    I'm not exactly a purist, but I actually find myself a bit annoyed by it. I would have been happier if they'd made Mr. Fantastic or The Thing black. From a 'PC' standpoint, showing a genius scientist who date/marries a white blonde as a black person would have probably made more heads explode, but seems better than a black Johnny Storm. Actually, he's such a hothead that making him the black guy actually seems like a bit of a stereotype. And that is the one character that doesn't want to have sex with Sue.

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    by Zornorph on Thu Feb 20, 2014 at 11:44:56 AM PST

  •  They posted this same story on (0+ / 0-)

    IO9.com.  It was interesting that for the most part, everyone was more concerned that the cast was too young.  The race things didn't bother that many people.

  •  Racist? Really? (1+ / 0-)
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    I wasn't cool with Katniss Everdeen being played by a white girl or Tonto being played by a white guy. I wouldn't be cool with the idea of someone casting Deathlok, Spawn, Blade, Panther, Storm, War Machine, Static, Cyborg, or Steel as white people. I seriously doubt anyone would have a problem with me saying any of that.

    But if I have a problem with Johnny Storm being black... i'm racist?

    F#CK. YOU.

    •  Imagine U think Santa is white, too. (0+ / 0-)

      Get a grip dude. My point is why get wrapped around the axle about ethnicity of fictitious comic book characters. Nobody said your'e a racist. It's just there ought to be more important things for adults to worry about besides the color of the actor who plays Blade or the Human Touch in some sorry movie. Chill bro. Try to get some sleep. Zowie!

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