In this - I think frankly amazing, yet respectful - confrontation CNN's Chris Cuomo gets Bill Donahue of the Catholic (alleged) League to finally openly admit that (for some) the religious basis of the Anti-Equal Marriage movement is that "Love" is not what Marriage is about. Not even partially.
Partial transcript over the flip.
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During this interview Donahue makes some down right gobbsmacking pronouncements.
“If they’re so discriminated against, how come they make more money than straight people on average?” Donohue argued. “Is somebody being denied, at Applebee’s, a hamburger?”
Actually, yes, they might be - and laws like the just vetoed measure in Arizona would facilitate things like that. But I find it interesting that he thinks that greater income is
proof of non-discrimination. That's not exactly what we're constantly hearing from members
of the 1%. Is he saying that it would be perfectly alright to discriminate against gays, and gay marriage, because
they can afford it? That because they have more money, it should be
open season on them? Would he find this an acceptable suggestion for Men who earn more - on average - than Women? Or for White people who earn more than Black? Is he suggesting we need Affirmative Action Programs to help out all the poor downtrodden mistreated and abused
Straights out there because of All Da Ghey Marriage?
But that's not the worse part.
“If a man and woman don’t have sex, we can’t reproduce, can we?” Donohue opined. “Kids do best in an intact family. The evidence is overwhelming. You need a father and a mother.”
“You need love, and you people that care for you,” Cuomo insisted. “Do we have any proof that kids who come from a marriage, straight or gay, have different outcomes?”
Donohue said that it was “too early” to say if children were harmed by being in same-sex households, but there was proof that kids in single-parent homes suffered.
“So you should want gay marriages!” Cuomo exclaimed. “You should want gay marriage because single-parent families are a problem.”
“The gold standard is a father and a mother creating a family,” Donohue shot back. “That’s what was ordained by nature and nature’s god.”
“Marriage was not ordained by nature,” the CNN host replied. “Most mammals don’t couples… Marriage is about love and commitment. And the right to it is about equality, and you know that.”
“Marriage is about families,” Donohue quipped. “It’s not about love. Two sisters can love each other.”
“Marriage is not about love? Are you married?” Cuomo said in shock. “Your faith is about love.”
“It can’t be the condition, otherwise you can sanction all the kinds of things I’m talking about,” Donohue remarked.
So the Catholic League position, is that
Love is NOT all you need. Love is
Not Enough. Because a Sister can Love a Brother, and that's just -like- the same thing as being gay. Or you could love your cat, or your horse. So we can't let
Love have anything to do with it. Never mind a little thing like - uh - the Mutual
Consent of Adults.
To him, Marriage, is about procreating. Period. And that's it. You get married for the Baby-making sex and that's all, not for the other sex - or for fun or to express your emotion - or for Love. And Consent? Optional. Who needs that?
He can't legitimately make the argument that gay parents, or blended families are a problem for the post-sex process of actually raising a family - because there's no evidence of that. He can talk about singe-parents, but in the process he tip-toes around the issue of why those people are SINGLE in the first place, which would be the absence of Love, or worse, the presence of Abuse.
So he would rather that those abusive, loveless relationships continue - "For The Kids" - but let's NOT have Gays get married because then THAT would "Ruin" families?
Yeah...
The problem is you can't maintain a long-term stable relationship - with anyone - without Love. And you certainly can't build a family, not a healthy functional family, without Love. Oh, sure you could try to maintain a loveless abusive marriage and raise kids in the middle of that kind of strained dysfunctional situation, but I think the odds are severely against positive outcomes in that scenario. I'm just saying...
What I see in Donohue's "thought" process here is really a very dark and dank concept of how "Family" is supposed to work. Where there is no Love, only that the male and female "parts" interacting to create a child - that no one loves - and the woman has no rights in the process of that procreation, either in refusing to participate as a sperm receptacle because of the "lame" excuse that she doesn't "Love" the sperm donor, or in choosing to use birth control to resist the "God Commanded" requirement to procreate, and of course if she does become fertilized, she must, Must, MUST carry that Baby to full term -- and then -- who cares, cuz Love doesn't matter in Marriage does it?
Yes, I can clearly see the Religiously Conservative position on "Marriage" so much better now. What they should be wondering is why to gay men and women want so badly to participate in such a thing, unless they've gotten what Marriage is truly "about" completely upside-down, backwards and sideways?
I'm thinking it's kinda the latter.
Vyan
11:40 AM PT: For the Record: Bill "Self-Appointed Uber-Marriage Expert" Donahue, whose "Catholic League" consists of he, himself, and he again, plus his Newsletter - is Divorced. And guess who said that Divorce was Against God, but didn't say anything about teh Ghey?
Jesus did.