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Many of us understand the damage that has been done by the likes of Rush Limbaugh, FOX News, and Hate Media. You can hear the promotion of blatant racism, homophobia, misogyny and bigotry just by turning on the tv, radio or computer. Malicious lies are perpetuated until they are believed by those who have been sucked in and who now use right-wing media as their only source of 'news'. Jen Senko is a filmmaker who watched the transformation of her father as he slowly came to believe the extreme right-wing propaganda. Senko is now making a documentary about it called  The Brainwashing Of My Dad. Above is the trailer, and here is a personal note Jen sent me:

"I was inspired to make this film after watching my father – a non-political Democrat – turn into a right-wing fanatic after a change in his car commute exposed him to reactionary shows on talk radio. The changes in his behavior drove me to research the changes in the media over the last 30 years – and the effect of those changes on the country was indisputable. As the media have been co-opted more and more by special interests, documentarians have become the new journalists. My hope is that after seeing my film, people will question what the media tells them, and will insist on laws that would hold them accountable."

Visit  Salon.com/Alternet.org for a more extensive interview with Jen Senko and Rory O'Connor.
More about The Brainwashing of My Dad:

The truth behind the right-wing media machine that changed a father — and the nation:
When the filmmaker's parents moved to a place where her father had a long solo commute to work and started listening to talk radio to alleviate the boredom, her family saw him change from a non-political Democrat to a radicalized, angry right-wing Republican. This begged the question: What happened to Dad?

As filmmaker, Jen Senko, tries to understand the transformation of her father, she uncovers the forces behind the media that changed him completely: a plan by Roger Ailes under Nixon for a media by the GOP, The Powell Memo and the dismantling of the Fairness Doctrine, all of which would ultimately misinform millions, divide families and even the country itself.

Remember when Hillary Clinton got pilloried for blaming a “vast right-wing conspiracy” for the relentless attacks against her husband? Maybe you weren’t around then. Well, she said it. Some thought she’d gone off the deep-end. We all know that “conspiracies” mean that you think that we really didn’t land a man on the moon, or that Bigfoot stalks the North, or aliens abduct certain people and experiment on them.
But really, was Hillary right? If you think about it, the country has changed dramatically within the last 30 years. During the 1960s and 70s America was moving in a much more socially minded direction. One could say, “liberal”. Then, slowly the country began to shift. What was once considered “right” is now “center-left”. It can’t be denied that corporations play an ever-increasing role in every facet of our government and the media has been instrumental in this development. We are now so divided that the Left will argue that President Obama is to the right of Reagan while the Right labels him a “Socialist”. How did that happen?

This documentary will look at the changes that happened to a dad (and many others’ dads or beloved relative) when he changed his media habits. Then we look at how the media itself changed and the effect it had on our country. The media has a powerful influence on the American mind – so much so that one could argue: if you control the Media, you control the American Mind.
Here are some media commentaries by a few of the extraordinary minds they have interviewed so far:


Noam Chomsky

Johnny E. Williams

Edward S. Herman
The Brainwashing Of My Dad Kickstarter campaign held in November 2013 raised 3 times it’s goal and is now closed. Some folks have asked if there is still a way to contribute to the film. Should you wish to become involved in the making of this documentary, please visit the documentary website. I can say, with as little as a $25 donation, you will get a big thank you from the filmmaker and your name will appear in the film’s end credits. (Okay, that suckered me in. I’m excited to have my name on this project) Additional funds help pay for:

1. Archival footage, graphics and animation
2. Travel. To go out of state for of the remainder of the interviews.
3. Editing and sound and color correction.
4. Marketing, film festival submissions, and media promotion for a theatrical release.

Note from Jen: We want you to join us in our endeavor to get the truth out there! Many thanks.  We love you!"
Thank you, Jen Senko. We love you too, and we are grateful to you for making this film.

Photo: The Brainwashing Of My Dad:

Special thanks to Freya Malin

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    "In this world, hate has never yet dispelled hate. Only love can dispel hate." ~ Buddha

    by Leslie Salzillo on Sun Mar 02, 2014 at 01:20:33 PM PST

  •  Looking forward to this (100+ / 0-)

    It's been over a year since my parents have spoken to me. There's much more to the story than the influence of Fox, but their political and religious dogmatism have made a respectful relationship impossible.

    They were never stupid people but their immunity to reason is staggering.

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    by SteelerGrrl on Sun Mar 02, 2014 at 02:02:28 PM PST

  •  Not the 1970's. The Powell Memo Was 1971 (56+ / 0-)

    detailing the steps the corporatists needed to regain control of society, and a number of the rightwing thinktanks were founded at that time.

    Our last liberal President was LBJ who left office in 68. Every subsequent Administration has been conservative, and has advanced the very rich more than, mostly at the expense of, the people, and that includes Carter's.

    It took most of the 70's to lay the foundation for Reagan who made the rightward turn visible, but it had been happening for at least a decade.

    We are called to speak for the weak, for the voiceless, for victims of our nation and for those it calls enemy.... --ML King "Beyond Vietnam"

    by Gooserock on Sun Mar 02, 2014 at 02:17:29 PM PST

    •  Here is a link to the Lewis Powell Memo, starts (31+ / 0-)

      down the page a bit.

      http://reclaimdemocracy.org/...

      Another good read is Eric Heubeck's "The Integration of Theory and Practice".  Mr. Heubeck is an acolyte of Paul Weyrich.  Note that there is a section on using the moving picture, which I interpret to mean Fox News as a means to brainwash viewers by the million.

      http://www.yuricareport.com/...

      Tie this to John Boyd's paper "Destruction and Creation", an early treatise on Chaos Theory, which was embraced by the right, and Dick Cheney in particular, was also critical to their thinking.  The concept of destroying, and then creatively putting something else together with the parts of the destroyed entity, likely resulted in what Naomi Klein describes in her book "The Shock Doctrine".

      http://goalsys.com/...

      It's all somehow connected into a whole right wing political system that includes ALEC, the SPN, or the State Policy Network, think tanks, or Stink Tanks as they have been recently described, always ready to provide an "expert" on whatever topic the right wing wants to advance, or to stand against, like climate change, or the minimum wage, or pipelines, or against renewable energy, and they usually relate back to some economic interest who would stand to lose out if the paradigm changed.

      http://www.spn.org/

      And of course, all the plutocrats that want to buy our government, make it do their bidding at our expense.  I don't need to tell you who they are.

      Republicans are like alligators. All mouth and no ears.

      by Ohiodem1 on Sun Mar 02, 2014 at 04:49:55 PM PST

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    •  Some Caveats (6+ / 0-)

      I want to offer some caveats to the thesis that right-wing media is all-powerful and sucks in unsuspecting listeners and viewers.

      1) The same forces of corporate economic homogeny operate all over the world, yet few European countries have become as backwardly right-wing reactionary and bigoted as the USA.  And yes, they have talk radio in Europe.  So why is it that so many Americans have fallen under this spell, yet so many Europeans have not fallen under this spell?

      2) All of us liberals have been exposed to right-wing talk radio and Fox Spews.  Yet we chose to change the channel and those tastes of Kool-Aid do not warp our political thinking.  Why is it that some Americans change the channel and some become reactionary right-wing bigots? (I once worked for 4 months in a lab where the am radio played Rush every morning for 3 hours, yet I did not become a republican or a Tea-Partier - why is that?)

      Here is my suggestion: I think people who listen to and then quote back right-wing TV and radio do so because they think that way to begin with, and the exposure to talk-radio or Fox Lose simply give them permission and perhaps the words to express their inner conservatism.

      So, I don't believe that exposure to conservative media alone is sufficient to effect brain-washing.  I think the future hard-core conservative must also want to be lead in that direction.

      "The fool doth think he is wise: the wise man knows himself to be a fool" - W. Shakespeare

      by Hugh Jim Bissell on Mon Mar 03, 2014 at 06:15:18 AM PST

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      •  Generational Memory (4+ / 0-)

        After WW2/Hitler the Europeans were pretty well immunized against extreme RW politics, just like the Hyperinflation of the 1920s still resonates with the Germans.

        However looking at Greece, they either need a booster shot, or their collective memory is impaired.

        The US is in retro mode, listen to the poison of Mark Levin against the EPA, FDA ETC. The reason these agencies were started has been forgotten. We need some new Ida Tarbell, Upton Sinclair and then politicians who come from the 1% and realize that capitalism just might be in danger, it only takes one family. The Roosevelts made the dedicated effort, maybe wrongly to save capitalism from itself. But they had the evil socialist as a reason.

        •  No generational memory in America? (6+ / 0-)

          America went through a "Great Depression".  Why do we have no generational memory that mixing personal banking with investment banking is a problem?  Or that hungry children is a bad thing for our society?

          Perhaps the fact that politicians and holders of public office are absolutely dependent on their wealthy and corporate sponsors to gain and hold office is the reason for those short (or non-existent) memories.  If forgetting is a required part of getting a paycheck, then forgetting is sure to happen quickly and easily.

          I have long argued that we should make ALL our elections completely publicly funded, so as to free our law-makers form the inherently corrupting activity of soliciting and receiving private donations.  That way, we would not have to wait for the rare appearance of an enlightened and non-sociopathic 1%er to show up and save us.

          "The fool doth think he is wise: the wise man knows himself to be a fool" - W. Shakespeare

          by Hugh Jim Bissell on Mon Mar 03, 2014 at 07:43:02 AM PST

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      •  You raise some good points (2+ / 0-)
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        From your number one point, it would appear that there is something uniquely American that contributes to this phenomenon.  Perhaps it is also related to the same trait that gives rise to the support for the 2nd-A in this country.  In other forums, I have read the theory that it has to do with the individualism mentality that originated with a more colonial / pioneer life than was common in urbanized Europe.

        Your second point is equally interesting and suggests that there is some personality trait that leaves some vulnerable to the brainwashing and it develops into a form of addiction.  Years ago, I used to listen to a talk radio station while at work that had a fairly eclectic to politically neutral lineup overall.  The exception was Neal Boortz, which was also my least favorite part of the programming.  I, myself, even exposed to the RW propaganda for hours a day for several months did not become highly influenced by it either.

        "It's not surveillance, it's data collection to keep you safe"

        by blackhand on Mon Mar 03, 2014 at 07:13:47 AM PST

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        •  They who are influenced want to be influenced (10+ / 0-)

          Racism may have a lot to do with it.  I suspect some amount of racism is necessary to buy into the conservative media talking points.  I further suspect some racism is necessary to believe in the absoluteness of the 2nd amendment.

          I think that the people who end up influenced or brain-washed by Fox Ooze are the people who want to be influenced or brain-washed.  I suspect that those people have some level of latent racism.  Hearing Fox Ruse gives these people ways to express their racism in a manner that is acceptable to themselves ("see, I'm a conservative, not a racist")

          "The fool doth think he is wise: the wise man knows himself to be a fool" - W. Shakespeare

          by Hugh Jim Bissell on Mon Mar 03, 2014 at 07:32:54 AM PST

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          •  I never thought about it on such a personal (4+ / 0-)

            level. I have in terms of demographics or knowing that the I am betting you could tie IQ to states Obama won, Religiousness, they probably all correlate.

            But in thinking of one friend. The one my PHD friends and I discuss "why are we friends with him".  The response jokingly over a beer is usually from ugh not Lock Stock, i don't remember "He's a Mate". . .

            But I have watched his Genesis. In Middle school he had no friends, bad exzema, social outcast. Somehow a lot of my friends did a project with him in early HS and I think we got a kick out of (juvenile) how he seemed to pretend to be comedically controversial, loud in funny ways.

            Well it never went away. The hate that I suppose was the vessel that gave him such a unique pallette ultimately and friends, ended up giving him the confidence to believe it.

            There was a point I decided not to discuss politics will him because it just seemed to galvanize him. Didn't work.

            Now today, I say post on FB (happened) about the fact that the Jury should've made George Zimmerman's verdict happen because the law is about justice not about words or directions from a judge. And he attacked me for my "oath" (which I responded was to progress the law and asked if his loyalty in the law was there when OJ was acquitted, to open his eyes that we as lawyers, people with opinions whomever, are creatures in an inperfect structure and we need to do right and progress to right when we can, so as a person I didn't care if the jury followed the instructions they had a different calling in my opinion and the Prosecution should've argued that manner).  I said one hell of a  lot more and a lot of people jumped on him attacking me professionally.

            Not surprisingly when I posted about the Man tortured to death in OH, he didn't recall our freedom to be removed from cruel and unusual punishment. I think it was a bit sick to tell him "the victims' family forgave the guy" why do you think you have a right to want him tortured?

            God it is maddening especially seeing happen. Worse he has taken a friend who I helped register to vote, then did for W (I couldn't believe his father was in a Union, not religious, etc.). Ugh.

            I do have to say there is a distinct difference in speaking with them. They cast small issues in broad frames that they hear on FAUX. Whereas I attack what they say with studies, quotes, facts and I shudder knowing it just ratchets up their Cognitive Dissonance?

          •  If the movement gives the listener a ... (2+ / 0-)
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            sense of belonging, then yes that's the case. The RW mic gives a sense that they are not only right, but they are working to a greater purpose.

      •  Personally, when I listened to right wing lies, (1+ / 0-)
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        I needed something to punch.  Finally my wife made me never listen to Ronald Reagan's speeches because I would get too loud and upset over what he got away with.  My 3 year younger brother felt much the same about Ronald.  

        Yet in the past decade or so, he complains about secularism, blames the Clintons for the health care mess in the US, loathes Obama specifically and democrats generally, etc.  He ignores the NY Times (just liberal lies) and is generally a believer in Fox radio.  Recently he has become quite anti-jewish, probably from the Qatari's Al Jazeera (Fox and Al J - are they both voices of the 1%?).

        Once I respected him for original thinking, but now, we just disagree.  

      •  my 2 cents (1+ / 0-)
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        You asked: "Why is it that some Americans change the channel and some become reactionary right-wing bigots?"

        I think you are right that it is because people hear what they want to hear.

        I learned a long time ago that we don't believe what we see, but rather we see what we believe. (You can substitute "hear" for "see.")

      •  Propaganda alone may not explain it (0+ / 0-)

        but I think it at least partially does. While it's true that those who want to be swayed by that will be swayed easily, would you doubt what the producer says about her dad is true?

        After all, she described him as a more apolitical Kennedy Democrat, who started to change once he started to regularly listen to RW talk radio. He was also described as not showing malice towards anyone based on race but suddenly had lots of vile things to say about people from different ethnic backgrounds.

        I think it can even help make some who were conservative but fair-minded more dogmatic. That and a fundamentalist church. My dad at one time thought marijuana should be legalized, supported some forms of gun safety regulations, saw nothing wrong with interracial marriage, and thought a lot of RW evangelical leaders were hypocritical.

        Then in a matter of about 5-10 years all of that changed, up until his passing about 10 years after that. Even when he was more fair-minded he had a violent temper. As time went by much of the violent temper went away but the dogmatism increased by orders of magnitude.

        The problem isn't just that the RW talk machine exists, but that in many cases there's no effective feedback loop. Partly due to media outlets being cowed by fear of being tarred with the "liberal bias" label.

        liberal bias = failure to validate or sufficiently flatter the conservative narrative on any given subject

        by RockyMtnLib on Tue Mar 04, 2014 at 02:31:03 PM PST

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  •  I spent a lot of time listening to talk (48+ / 0-)

    radio back when I was in Real Estate. I even called in frequently. I always found it fasinating. Of course my brother also listens to it and has been convinced that they are honest.

    One of the ways they have convinced him is by claiming to be very religious. My brother is convinced that because they all believe Jesus is our saviour then there is no way that they would lie.

    Of course the worst part of this for my brother is that he has been convinced that the ACA is horrible and he refuses to sign up for it. That might not be so bad if he hadn't been recently diagnosed with COPD and doesn't make nearly enough money to pay for his insurance or medicine on his own.

    Most of the people taking a hard line against us are firmly convinced that they are the last defenders of civilization... The last stronghold of mother, God, home and apple pie and they're full of shit! David Crosby, Journey Thru the Past.

    by Mike S on Sun Mar 02, 2014 at 02:18:37 PM PST

    •  And their is rub. (11+ / 0-)

      The Jesus that I grew up with tolerates everyone and hates no one.
      He was also a Socialist and they have cherry picked the bible apart to justify the hate that come out of the Fundamentalist churches.
      I think if He came in today's attitude and preached his message about the poor and especially the rich they would kill him again.

      Bigotry knows no race or color. It's interesting, though, that it often seems to proliferate in churches.

      by snoopydawg on Sun Mar 02, 2014 at 10:53:04 PM PST

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      •  The majority of professed Christians (0+ / 0-)

        are unwittingly actual secularists.  They don't really know what it means to "love one another" as Jesus taught.  The inherent weakness of secularism is that it discards ethics and religion for politics and power. You simply cannot establish the brotherhood of mankind while ignoring or denying the fatherhood of God.

        Secular social and political optimism is an illusion. Without God, neither freedom and liberty, nor property and wealth will lead to peace.

        You're Gonna Hafta Serve Somebody.

        by T P K on Mon Mar 03, 2014 at 11:37:02 AM PST

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        •  Rubbish. (2+ / 0-)
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          The inherent weakness of secularism is that it discards ethics and religion for politics and power.
          Not to mention codswallop and Quatsch.
        •  first of all... (0+ / 0-)

          If you have a belief that you an't prove to be true, you don't have a fact, you have an opinion.  Even if you assume your opinion to be a fact, if you can't prove it to be true, it's still nothing more than an opinion, no matter how much or how strongly you want to believe it's true.  And no matter how much your peer group happens to agree with your assumption.

          When you say there is a God, I assume you know you can't scientifically prove that to be true, so what you really have is an opinion about the existence of a God, NOT a fact.

          You certainly have the right to have any opinion you want to have, but please, do not call an opinion a fact.  As soon as you do that, it allows you to think that your opinions are more important than the opinions of everyone else who disagrees with you, and that will lead you into arrogance and pride.  You should know where those traits will lead you.

          Secondly, no one out-performs their internal self-image.  What you are really serving is your internal self-image.  If you don't understand that, you are lying to yourself.  If you are lying to yourself, it's because you are afraid to see what is really going on.

          I'm guessing the rest of your post is just more opinions that you want to assume are facts as well.  It is neither healthy nor rational for one to assume one's opinions are facts, when they cannot be proven.  In fact, you seem to be guilty of delusional thinking.  Now why would you want to delude yourself in that way?  

          Answer that question, and you'll take a large step back into the real world.  Unfortunately, my guess is you prefer the "unreal" world.  In the short run, it's easier on your ego.  In the long run, my guess is you will end up being your own worst enemy, even as you try to blame everyone else for how you respond to life.

          But, hey, I could be wrong.  These are  just my opinions at this point in time.  

        •  Speak for yourself. (0+ / 0-)

          I don't believe in any god(s). Yet I still do what I can to further human solidarity.

          What an incredibly ignorant statement.

          liberal bias = failure to validate or sufficiently flatter the conservative narrative on any given subject

          by RockyMtnLib on Tue Mar 04, 2014 at 02:14:11 PM PST

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      •  The only major christian group that would learn (0+ / 0-)

        from the real Jesus are the Quakers, IMHO.
        The leaders who misuse Christ to oppress and manipulate -  evangelicals, catholics, TV preachers, giant independents, etc. - would hire someone to have him killed.
        The others would ignore him.

  •  . (33+ / 0-)

    Brainwashing isn't just for breakfast anymore to borrow a phrase from a long gone ad campaign.   I find it useful to refer to historical quotes when I want a reminder as to what brainwashing is all about.

    "All propaganda has to be popular and has to accommodate itself to the comprehension of the least intelligent of those whom it seeks to reach."

    "By the skillful and sustained use of propaganda, one can make a people see even heaven as hell or an extremely wretched life as paradise."

    "As soon as by one's own propaganda even a glimpse of right on the other side is admitted, the cause for doubting one's own right is laid."

    "How fortunate for governments that the people they administer don't think."

    "Hate is more lasting than dislike."

    "It is always more difficult to fight against faith than against knowledge."

    "Make the lie big, make it simple, keep saying it, and eventually they will believe it."

    "The art of leadership... consists in consolidating the attention of the people against a single adversary and taking care that nothing will split up that attention."

    "The leader of genius must have the ability to make different opponents appear as if they belonged to one category."   Note:  everyone who isn't a 'conservative' seems to be a 'liberal' and the propagandists define what a liberal is

    "I use emotion for the many and reserve reason for the few."

    Our ol buddy Adolf had a profound influence on media in the US these days.

    "History records that the money changers have used every form of abuse, intrigue, deceit, and violent means possible to maintain their control over governments by controlling the money and its issuance." -James Madison

    by FreeTradeIsYourEpitaph on Sun Mar 02, 2014 at 02:41:43 PM PST

    •  The Nazi propagandists studied (11+ / 0-)

      Madison Avenue propaganda techniques, and refined and perfected them through practice.

      Where are all the jobs, Boehner?

      by Dirtandiron on Sun Mar 02, 2014 at 04:36:33 PM PST

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      •  So it's Madison Ave fault? (0+ / 0-)

        If they had but hired Dr Goebbels, if nothing else to work as their European branch director.

        If the Baseball commission had hired Dubya as commissioner we would have been spared some real problems. And George and the SCOTUS would have a better rep now.

        Sarcasm has to have some foundation in fact.

      •  That's largely true, but .... (1+ / 0-)
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        they didn't perfected it as much as many believe because at the end of the day Hitler could simply unleash the SS or use other forms of force.

        It's in the U.S. where the establishment couldn't do that that needed to perfect propaganda techniques.

    •  propaganda (10+ / 0-)
      "It is always more difficult to fight against faith than against knowledge."
      This is a recognized cognitive bias--the backfire effect.

      It occurs to me that many (most?) advertising campaigns, when they aren't playing on simple fear (such as embarrassing odors in social situations, &c), probably rely on cognitive distortions & biases to make their sales.  They short-circuit the logical levers of the mind.

      •  Right wing propaganda stokes people's egos (4+ / 0-)
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        Tea Partiers think they're the ONLY ONES who wake up in the morning and do anything productive. Everyone else is getting a free ride. (So they think) Radio and cable news plays on that, amplifies it. So you get people divided up into "real Americans" and not.

        Where are all the jobs, Boehner?

        by Dirtandiron on Mon Mar 03, 2014 at 08:01:14 AM PST

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      •  Propaganda is as old as culture... (0+ / 0-)

        I'm sorry, but I have to express my amazement at the regularity with which so many of us feel a necessity to dance around a certain historical and pernicious feature of our culture. Faith IS a problem. It may not be the only one that addresses the despicable tendency of a few powerfully influential contingent to purchase their wants, but it definitely is a major one: as it has evolved, our culture is in fact easily tempted by recourse to threat - OR, in the exploitation of the far more effective mechanism involved: FEAR.

        No matter how often it is shoved under the rug in order to preserve some conception of - or unresolved affection for - utilitarian fairness, it must at long and tedious last be admitted and examined as a player in our abominable condition. Its also heavily involved in what we pretend to construct, a hopeful future in which people would not be so easily swayed by constant exposure to the sickening repetition of mere hearsay, from the local neighborhood blabber-mouth rumor-mongerer to the mandates of a monstrous political-interest group who have bought the 'right' to control the  media to tell millions of people what they ought to think (a travesty of what was once regarded as a basic right of the citizenry to have access to accurate news of the society they are compelled to live in and die by) - but to advance the refreshing notion that government through authentic democratic means can be sustained by individual reflection based on information that can be repeatedly validated in an enduring scientific trust of nature - something that cannot so easily be yanked out of our evolutionary heritage as 'human beings', as the natural animals that we in fact are...as troubled we may be with the gigantic brains we have evolved. We may humbly reflect that our capacity for stupidity equals any intelligence we have been afforded by our increased capacity; it is foolhardy to suppose that we as an entity called 'society' is in any way smarter than a worm.

        To this I must add: one never encounters stupidity in any non-human individual, yet while it is of relatively little account to a larger group whenever stupidity in an individual arises, the problem is compounded and exacerbated when one confronts the eruption of mass stupidity specifically ordered by those who politically profit by it: it takes cultural tradition to sustain such a horror...alas, it is a common trait of human culture to adhere to established strictures - and the outcome is dehumanizing: people who buy into it become vastly dumber than the animals they strenuously shriek they are above.

        On that perspective, a cogent argument can be made that human cultures, in the struggle to survive in a real world, carry a stupendously excess load of baggage of traditions which, while satisfying the challenges of locally artificial environmental conditions brought about by the rise of complex societies, cannot be sustained in a universe that does not care whether any social system works or doesn't. The problem is that we have thoroughly bought into the foundation of the fiction behind our vaunted traditions: that we can construct a fictitious picture of a universe that can favorably battle the reality that ultimately confronts us.

        Alas, our culture conceals the fact that 'faith', while it can supply constancy and a decent measure of virtue in the form of loyalty and allegiance, is NOT a vaccine against stupidity. It is contrary to knowledge of any kind that may be improved by new information. A culture habituated to the exceptionalism and elitism religious authority inspires will inevitably succumb to the divisions that political interests find so useful.

        The note by snoopydawg upstream highlights the apparent paradox: I too, grew up learning that the teachings of Jesus tolerates everyone and hates no one. To be sure, that ideology was not original to Jesus even at that time, but was an idea that sprouted and spread quite liberally amongst the educated peoples in the Middle East under the throng of Roman dominion. Many Jews resisted - the most educated portion of the population were Jewish. It should be no wonder that the IDEA leapt into importance under those circumstances.

        Unfortunately, however unoriginal the IDEA may have been, and how pertinent it was to the state of that region was at that time under Roman rule, that magnificent message has since been systematically employed by the special political interests of a branching plethora of contending parties who did little else over the next 2000 years but try to establish their political dominance and spread their conceit onto other peoples in the great European exploration episode that divvied up the world to suit its political-economic ends...with unthinkable consequences to the indigenous peoples involved.

        And of the surviving population that had undergone this ignominious onslaught over these centuries? Why, this is where the gigantic TOLERANCE and immense GOOD WILL and enormous LOVE kicks in - its all so friggin' obvious I would have to be something REALLY HORRIBLE like an ATHEIST to point it out in polite society.

        And religion merrily continues to flaunt its influence as if it had any remaining justification...um, because its there.

        TRADITION IS OK, BUT A TRADITION OF STUPIDY ISN'T. Why is it so hard for us, as a people, to get rid of lousy traditions?

        Propaganda? By what I read here, I think we are so chock full of it, we no longer understand how to think.

        •  . (0+ / 0-)

          "I think we are so chock full of it, we no longer understand how to think."

          It actually requires experiencing emotional pain in order to shed strongly held beliefs .. most people don't want to have to go thru that to rid themselves of false but strongly held beliefs.  

          "History records that the money changers have used every form of abuse, intrigue, deceit, and violent means possible to maintain their control over governments by controlling the money and its issuance." -James Madison

          by FreeTradeIsYourEpitaph on Sat Mar 08, 2014 at 09:00:33 PM PST

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    •  this is it. (2+ / 0-)
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      it's a five-star propaganda assault.

      An ambulance can only go so fast - Neil Young

      by mightymouse on Mon Mar 03, 2014 at 05:29:55 AM PST

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  •  HERE WE GO AGAIN.... (0+ / 0-)

    "FAUX News, Drug Limpbaugh, etc., is brainwashing thousands and thousands of "former liberals".. "former reasonable" people.

    I wonder-- when numerous formerly blue Southern states turned Red.. not long after LBJ rammed thru the Civil Rights Act.. was FAUX News and Limpbaugh responsible for that??

    "We are beyond law, which is not unusual for an empire; unfortunately, we are also beyond common sense." Gore Vidal

    by Superpole on Sun Mar 02, 2014 at 03:42:20 PM PST

    •  What's your point? (38+ / 0-)

      Does the phenomenon of the Dixiecrats turning Republican (and they were never 'liberal') mean that the right-wing media machine doesn't exist?

      "Much of movement conservatism is a con and the base is the marks." -- Chris Hayes

      by raptavio on Sun Mar 02, 2014 at 03:54:40 PM PST

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      •  NOPE: MY POINT IS (0+ / 0-)

        the "vast right wind media machine" has more or less ZERO power/sway over liberal, moderate voters.

        My PROOF? simply the last POTUS election; in spite of at least three years of FAUX News and other mainstream media's 24/7 ANTI Obama drivel, the President crushed Romney.

        this was never a close race as advertised by the buffoons at FAUX... Obama completely crushed Rmoney.

        Thus the hilarious/bogus notion that right wing media have enormous sway and influence over non conservative voters is total, utter nonsense.

        IF your goal is to WIN more elections, you're not going to get there by simply, lazily turning off right wing media. that is another hilarious, naive notion.

        "We are beyond law, which is not unusual for an empire; unfortunately, we are also beyond common sense." Gore Vidal

        by Superpole on Mon Mar 03, 2014 at 03:52:24 PM PST

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        •  That's one election. (1+ / 0-)
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          Paul LePage. Rick Scott. Scott Walker. Rand Paul. Ted Cruz. Etc. etc. etc.

          Fucking batshit crazy Republicans propelled by the right-wing media.

          Rush Limbaugh wasn't considered an honorary member of the 1995 Republican Congressional caucus for nothing.

          "Much of movement conservatism is a con and the base is the marks." -- Chris Hayes

          by raptavio on Mon Mar 03, 2014 at 04:39:23 PM PST

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          •  Huh? (0+ / 0-)

            Please take a look at the Repuglican Governor's Association-- in 2009 they put together a well funded plan to win those gubernatorial elections in FL, MI, OH, etc.

            WHAT was the democratic party's strategic response to keep this from happening? ZERO.

            stop blaming FAUX News for the laziness and lack of strategy of the democratic party.

            "We are beyond law, which is not unusual for an empire; unfortunately, we are also beyond common sense." Gore Vidal

            by Superpole on Mon Mar 03, 2014 at 04:46:07 PM PST

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    •  Civil rights and voting rights acts (14+ / 0-)

      passed in the 60s turned the South Republican...  as Johnson said after signing said Acts, "we've lost the South for the next 40 years..."

      "FAUX News and Limpbaugh" didn't exist in 1965.

      So, yeah, what's your point?

      "There's always room for cello." Yo Yo Ma

      by ceebee7 on Sun Mar 02, 2014 at 04:25:40 PM PST

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      •  I believe the point is (4+ / 0-)

        that the South didn't turn Republican right away, and all-red,  in the 1960s.

        For example, North Carolina elected Terry Sanford in 1986, the same year Reagan deep-sixed the Fairness Doctrine.

        He lost his re-election by four percentage points to a far-right Republican in 1992, while Clinton lost the state by less than a point.

        And Republican control of the state didn't happen until recently, helped by nearly three decades of right-wing domination of talk radio and two decades of Fox "News".

        The South's shift away from the Democratic Party happened mostly because Reagan's intensification of Nixon's racist Southern strategy worked.

        And wingnut media clearly helped that happen.

        A public option for health insurance is a national priority.

        by devtob on Sun Mar 02, 2014 at 07:17:54 PM PST

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    •  Agreed. We should just ignore the massive (15+ / 0-)

      message machine on the right. They haven't had any affect on the country, our government or on the people.

      Most of the people taking a hard line against us are firmly convinced that they are the last defenders of civilization... The last stronghold of mother, God, home and apple pie and they're full of shit! David Crosby, Journey Thru the Past.

      by Mike S on Sun Mar 02, 2014 at 04:35:08 PM PST

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      •  Holder should have investigated (1+ / 0-)
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        NewsCorp to make sure they are not eaves dropping in the US as they did in the UK.

        Given the "special relationship" the US and UK have even a whisper of eavesdropping on the ruler of the UK should have been enough to start looking at Roger Ailes.

        Where was Senator HRC's concern about vast right wing conspiracies when this was going on?

        •  Nice on-sequitur. (0+ / 0-)

          Most of the people taking a hard line against us are firmly convinced that they are the last defenders of civilization... The last stronghold of mother, God, home and apple pie and they're full of shit! David Crosby, Journey Thru the Past.

          by Mike S on Mon Mar 03, 2014 at 08:00:54 AM PST

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      •  WHERE IS YOUR EMPIRICAL (0+ / 0-)

        evidence right wing media has this so called enormous sway over moderate, liberal voters??

        why did this so called, heh heh hehh.. "power" NOT lead to Obama losing the last election, hmm?

        "We are beyond law, which is not unusual for an empire; unfortunately, we are also beyond common sense." Gore Vidal

        by Superpole on Mon Mar 03, 2014 at 03:55:23 PM PST

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    •  Superpole, are you actually defending Fox News and (19+ / 0-)

      Rush Limbaugh here on Daily Kos?

      Do you not believe the hate radio/media propaganda is working? How do you think the Tea Party formed? And speaking of Tea Party, the Koch brothers are responsible (and documented) for starting and funding many of the TP foundations like FreedomWorks and Heritage Foundation.  Check out their sites and see if you don't think they are deceiving the public. So yes, what is your point?

      And we're not talking about former Liberals and 'reasonable people' for the most part. We are referring to the people who leave their radios on at work and make all of their employees/customers  listen to it, or in their homes for their children to hear the racism, misogyny and bigotry - we are talking about a growing mass - a population that has grown up with hate radio/media and uses it for the main source of information.

      "In this world, hate has never yet dispelled hate. Only love can dispel hate." ~ Buddha

      by Leslie Salzillo on Sun Mar 02, 2014 at 04:38:31 PM PST

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      •  and since we're looking back in time, it's worth (7+ / 0-)

        remembering where the Koch Bros came from:

        A PEOPLE’S HISTORY OF KOCH INDUSTRIES

        [The Tea Party movement—and Koch family’s obscene wealth—go back more than half a century, all the way to grandpa Fredrick C. Koch, one of the founding members of the far-rightwing John Birch Society which was convinced that evil socialism was taking over America through unions, colored people, Jews, homosexuals, the Kennedys and even Dwight D. Eisenhower...

        [I]n 1925, Fred started up the Winkler-Koch Engineering Company with a former classmate, quickly developing and patenting a novel process to refine gasoline from crude oil that had a highe-yield than anything on the market...

        Sensing a threat to their royalty-revenue stream from Winkler-Koch’s superior refining technology, the reigning oil cartel moved in to teach the young Koch how the laissez-faire business model worked in the real world.

        “[W]hen he tried to market his invention, the major oil companies sued him for patent infringement. Koch eventually won the lawsuits (after 15 years in court), but the controversy made it tough to attract many US customers,” according to Hoover’s Company Records service. Just like that, Winkler-Koch Engineering found itself squeezed out of the American market. They had a superior product at a cheaper price, but no one to sell it to.

        Luckily, there was one market where opportunity beckoned—and innovation was rewarded: the Soviet Union...

        In 1929, after hosting a delegation of Soviet planners in Wichita, Kansas, Winkler and Koch signed a $5 million contract to build 15 refineries in the Soviet Union. According to Oil of Russia, a Russian oil industry trade magazine, the deal made Winkler–Koch into Comrade Stalin’s Number One refinery builder. It provided equipment and oversaw construction...

        So, the Koch empire was born of an opportunistic deal with Joe Stalin himself, while starting one of the most radical, crackpot anti-Communist, anti-Socialist societies of them all, the John Birch Society.

        When I was a schoolboy, we all used to laugh at the ridiculous JBS. How tragic that the current incarnation of the Birchers, the Baggers, may get the last laugh -- and how doubly tragic if that were facilitated by the "Democratic" president of the United States more than doubling the wealth and power of the Koch Bros by giving them the pipeline that they so covet -- KXL.

        "We can either have democracy in this country or we can have great wealth concentrated in the hands of a few. But we can't have both." - Justice Louis Brandeis

        by flitedocnm on Mon Mar 03, 2014 at 12:17:38 AM PST

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      •  LMAOF.... Its Impossible to "defend" (0+ / 0-)

        pathetic reich wing media, because the obvious fact is they have more or less ZERO impact on moderate, or liberal voters.

        Think, McFly, Think!

        are you implying Obama almost lost the last election due to FAUX News and the other pathetic hacks??

        "We are beyond law, which is not unusual for an empire; unfortunately, we are also beyond common sense." Gore Vidal

        by Superpole on Mon Mar 03, 2014 at 04:01:34 PM PST

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    •  They spread lies... (12+ / 0-)

      You can chalk up the turn of the south to the right on good old fashioned racism if you want but it doesn't change the fact that these types of media are outright lying. That should concern everyone. It's also enough reason to change the laws regarding media.

      •  SAUL ALINSKI'S ANSWERS FOR TEATHUGS (3+ / 0-)
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        1) Healthcare — Control healthcare and you control the people  [ or make it too expensive for the poor - me]

        2) Poverty — Increase the Poverty level as high as possible, poor people are easier to control and will not fight back if you are providing everything for them to live. 

        3) Debt — Increase the debt to an unsustainable level. That way you are able to increase taxes, and this will produce more poverty. 

        4) Gun Control — Remove the ability to defend themselves from the Government. That way you are able to create a police state. [Not as pertinent now but maybe when the right gets full power it could happen - me]

        5) Welfare — Take control of every aspect of their lives (Food, Housing, and Income). 

        6) Education — Take control of what people read and listen to — take control of what children learn [Or don't learn - me] in school. 

        7) Religion — Remove the belief in the God from the Government and schools.   [but beware of the wolves in sheep clothing - me]

        8) Class Warfare — Divide the people into the wealthy and the poor. This will cause more discontent and it will be easier to take (Tax) the wealthy with the support of the poor. 

        Those who think they KNOW EVERYTHING really piss off those of us who DO.

        by olegar on Sun Mar 02, 2014 at 09:36:20 PM PST

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        •  And my response to them would be... (3+ / 0-)

          1) Half the country can't afford to get sick or even go to the doctor for a checkup and even many people with insurance don't get the coverage they need. Your side has done nothing to address this.

          2) I know you guys think we want the government to control everything but you can't maintain a stable society with no money. This one doesn't even make sense from a conspiracy level.

          3) We aren't the ones writing blank checks for the military and appointed the US the worlds policemen. As for things like welfare, if businesses would pay people enough to live on, a lot of the people on those programs could be greatly reduced.

          4) How many "stand your ground" trials and school shootings do you need before you figure out that some people shouldn't have guns and perhaps some system in place is necessary to keep them from getting them? Like, say, a psych evaluation.

          5) See #3.

          6) Do you really want kids moving around from state to state not knowing whether or not they've learned long division where they came from? A universal standard is necessary. As for things like evolution, sorry, you're just wrong.

          7) Don't have a problem with this one. If you need the government to validate your religion for you, your faith must not be very strong to begin with.

          8) You all started this one by giving tax cuts to people who didn't need them and rolling back necessary consumer and worker protections. Don't get to blame us.  

      •  SO WHAT?? (0+ / 0-)

        The assertion FAUX News has this magical, enormous sway over voters is INSULTING; you get that, right?

        it's insulting because you're obviously implying numerous people are so utterly ignorant and clueless that they believe everything they hear on FAUX NEws, all of the time.

        is this what you are stating?

        "We are beyond law, which is not unusual for an empire; unfortunately, we are also beyond common sense." Gore Vidal

        by Superpole on Mon Mar 03, 2014 at 04:16:28 PM PST

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        •  Um..yes. (0+ / 0-)

          Because they do. I know them. This isn't paranoia. There are literally millions of people who only get their "news" from Fox. And they take it at face value. But that isn't my point. My point was that if a media source is lying, there needs to be some system of accountability in place to deal with them. Regardless of how many viewers they have.

          •  LOL.... You KNOW Tens of Thousands (0+ / 0-)

            of doofs who watch FAUX News all day and they all vote and they all vote GOP?

            sure.

            Here we go again-- "if a media source is lying, there needs to be some system of accountability in place to deal with them"...

            fantasy land much?? what system of accountability do you propose, I wonder? stiff fines? a $1,000 fine for every lie they tell?

            This is a joke, of course, because it's never going to happen. IF indeed you are so concerned with the propaganda on mainstream media, what you need to do is get busy and create your own propaganda.

            One more time:

            "Don't complain about the media, become the media!"

            Jello Biafra

            "We are beyond law, which is not unusual for an empire; unfortunately, we are also beyond common sense." Gore Vidal

            by Superpole on Tue Mar 04, 2014 at 03:17:56 AM PST

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            •  The FCC... (0+ / 0-)

              You know, what they were originally created for in the first place? Fines aren't a bad idea, actually. If half their revenue is going out the door to pay for the lies their network tells they might figure it's not worth the hassle of continuing to do so. At the very least, they'd just become an opinion network. Nothing but pundits sharing their opinions all day long. No longer pretending to be "news". Of course they'd still have to watch what they'd say.

    •  Superpole has a VERY good point (4+ / 0-)
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      Bottom line is this:

      WE ARE WINNING.  There's an extremely good chance that HRC will be our next President and that will be a minimum of 12 years of Democratic Leadership in the WH.  The #'s are on our side and the influence of Limbaugh and Fox News is WANING and in a big time way. We may not get everything we want, but we are still winning the battle.

      The obsession with the Tea Party/Fox News here is borderline insane.  The Tea Party has shot itself in the foot numerous times and cost the Republicans multiple Senate seats.  Instead, you would think that the Tea Party is currently running the nation....when in fact the 'establishment Republicans' are getting tired of their act and their damage they've inflicted on their electoral chances.

      The total listenership of Limbaugh and Fox News is less than 15 million....and GETTING OLDER and shrinking every day.  

      I will not deny that Limbaugh and their ilk have done irreparable harm to many individuals, but the notion that Fox News is somehow the biggest threat to American Democracy and the Democratic Party is a bit far-fetched.  We are winning elections on the national basis pretty handily and control the Senate as well.    

      I think perhaps the biggest thing that Limbaugh and Fox News has accomplished is to make already Red States in the South EVEN MORE Red (i.e. Oklahoma, Mississippi, Alabama, South Carolina, portions of Texas, Missouri, Georgia).  In terms of Limbaugh's/Fox News' influence on the 'blue states' it is getting weaker every year.

    •  As others have pointed out, (2+ / 0-)
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      the error you make here is to equate liberal with Democratic & conservative with Republican.  It's only the labels (party names) that changed in the '60s, not the intrinsic political values & ideals of those who held them.

      (By the way, this sea change began occurring far earlier, starting even back as far as 1896 & escalating in the '20s & '30s, when the Republican Party began actively courting industrialists.)

    •  Here are the vote totals, how do you get (2+ / 0-)
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      "rammed through" out of this?  Down the page a bit.  It was primarily Northern D's and R's against Southern D's and R's, but the votes weren't very close.

      http://en.wikipedia.org/...

      Republicans are like alligators. All mouth and no ears.

      by Ohiodem1 on Sun Mar 02, 2014 at 05:44:55 PM PST

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    •  I agree. (0+ / 0-)

      To blame AM radio for his dad's change in politics sounds like a cop out.

    •  Racism and hate were responsible. (1+ / 0-)
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      They were democrats because they hated Lincoln and the Republicans. War of northern aggression and all that.

      "A lie is not the other side of a story; it's just a lie."

      by happy camper on Mon Mar 03, 2014 at 06:03:11 AM PST

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  •  According to Thom Hartmann, (26+ / 0-)

    Roger Ailes's urging Nixon to create a GOP media (propaganda) network was turned down by Nixon, who replied to Ailes "We (the government) can't do that [it's illegal]... go find a millionaire..."

    So Ailes found Murdoch.  Bingo.

    "There's always room for cello." Yo Yo Ma

    by ceebee7 on Sun Mar 02, 2014 at 04:36:01 PM PST

  •  Best of luck with the film, and not to be snide (10+ / 0-)

    Because I have a brother in the same boat, but it isn't much of a loss. If someone can fall for their ignorant BS, they usually either are harboring a lot of misguided resentment and need someone to blame or they are just easily led sheep. Being someone who has actually listened to this, back before I had fully decided on a side (an old school liberal, northeast Republican would be closest), if you don't want to throw up listening to these guys continued use of the most vulnerable among us as scapegoats (or in the hosts case, tools to trick others into believing it to make loads of money), you lacked the basics of humanity to begin with. And now I will never even think about voting for anyone who even associates with these folks.

  •  This is personal for me. (25+ / 0-)

    I can point to misery and restriction in my own life for which the likes of Rush Limbaugh and his sick acolytes are directly, personally responsible.

    Thanks for the diary.

    It's here they got the range/ and the machinery for change/ and it's here they got the spiritual thirst. --Leonard Cohen

    by karmsy on Sun Mar 02, 2014 at 04:54:39 PM PST

  •  Slightly tangential but still related (11+ / 0-)

    The media has a powerful influence on the American mind – so much so that one could argue: if you control the Media, you control the American Mind.

    This reminds me of Amusing Ourselves to Death, by Neil Postman.  To my delight, I find it is now available in PDF.

    It was originally written in 1985 & deals mostly with the wasteland that is broadcast TV (as contrasted with the mediums of newsprint or radio).  Still, it's a phenomenal read.

    •  Great Book - Everyone Should Read (3+ / 0-)

      Yes, I remember it very well (also meeting Mr. Postman before he died), how people used to actually listen, IIRC from that book he talks about people sitting at the Lincoln Douglas debates for 8 hours and well listening.

      Amazing to me this came before the internet no less as it's yes about politics as infotainment, but also our selection to follow Huxley and get our Soma in not being bored (which clicking on facebook helps).

      I wish Neil Postman had lived or I remembered what he said to my class as I know people asked him about the Internet (I think he had taught at NYU and I took a journalism class taught by one of his "protege's" that he came to once or twice).

  •  Yes, this brainwashing has got to STOP!! (2+ / 0-)
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    It will only stop when the preaching of hate and lies are completely OUTLAWED.  We need to elect a congress with enough votes to step up to the plate and outlaw the likes of Limbaugh, Foxnews, and any type of media that expresses hate and lies.  Once we have a society where lies and hate are outlawed and only honest truth will be allowed to be professed in the media, will we then have the end of our people being brainwashed.

    •  Unfortunately, that scorched-earth approach (7+ / 0-)

      would do more harm than good. They need to be constantly monitored, called out, belittled and challenged. We are starting to do that. We need to do much more.

      •  Require Proof of facts (1+ / 0-)
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        I have read that in Canada they do have restrictions on BS blather, anyone can confirm if that is true and effective?

        Rush and Co. can always masquerade as comedy hour and entertainment which is their cop-out anyway when they are threatened with libel suits.

    •  NO WAY JOSE! (2+ / 0-)
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      As spurious and filthy as it is our Constitution protects these asshats just as intensely as it would if we could muster the individuals to get on the air and call them out for just what they really are - A bunch of lying thugs.

      Those who think they KNOW EVERYTHING really piss off those of us who DO.

      by olegar on Sun Mar 02, 2014 at 09:46:21 PM PST

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      •  at least not allow propaganda to be called News (2+ / 0-)
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        aka Fox 'News"

        They have propaganda talking points, Republican ones, that they distribute to all of their talking heads so everyone makes the same point over and over.

        That is not News. The bulk of their programming is not news.

        Truth in advertising. A food product cannot call itself "heart healthy" unless it meets certain criteria. Drugs cannot make claims that are not documented.

        Same here. They push themselves as News and they are not.

    •  No. (0+ / 0-)

      Do you really imagine that if such laws were passed corporate interests wouldn't have the power to turn them on us? Who is the arbiter of truth in your scheme?

      "Turns out I'm really good at killing people." - President Obama

      by jrooth on Mon Mar 03, 2014 at 05:53:07 AM PST

      [ Parent ]

    •  No thanks, I'll take the current media climate (0+ / 0-)

      over your dystopian nightmare.

      "When I was an alien, cultures weren't opinions" ~ Kurt Cobain, Territorial Pissings

      by Subterranean on Mon Mar 03, 2014 at 08:27:42 AM PST

      [ Parent ]

  •  It did happen here (22+ / 0-)

    My dad changed from a reader of the New York Times, and regular democratic voter into a bigoted, narrow minded blowhard who cannot carry on a conversation with his grandchildren without accusing them of being idiots and/or communists.  The change came about after his movements were restricted by severe arthritis and he began watching Fox News all day.  He is becoming more and more paranoid about the government coming to seize everything he's accumulated over the years.  I think he expects it to happen any day now.

  •  And yet so many liberals STILL insist that (13+ / 0-)

    the best way to handle the insane, hate-rabid right is to ignore them. As if only our acknowledgement of them gives them credence and impact.

    I tell them that our decision to ignore Limbaugh resulted in his ascension to become the biggest, loudest, most pervasive, and most influential demagogue in human history. When a few obscure blogs like Bartcop and the long-gone Media Whores Online were the only voices speaking out against him, while he and his clones dominated the airwaves, infiltrated the mainstream media, and took over the Republican Party. And brainwashed thousands of decent Americans.

    We were part of his rise to power because we decided that holding our noses in the air and pretending he didn't exist was the best way to handle him. (And I am aware that some people have been going after him hammer and tongs since he first planted his cyst-ridden ass in the EIB chair. But not enough, not until much later.)

    We cannot make that mistake again.

  •  My mom started out as a Kennedy Democrat, too (6+ / 0-)

    In the 1970s, she was a Catholic opposed to abortion, but still essentially a Democrat.

    She was a union schoolteacher, after all.

    Thanks to various right-wing media (talk radio, Fox "News", direct mail, etc.), that changed, and she died three years ago as a far-right Republican who believed that Obama was the worst President ever and a Muslim to boot.

    Wingnut mail still arrives at the house, and though the far-right has plenty of money, some millions of it is wasted every year on direct mailings to dead people.

    A public option for health insurance is a national priority.

    by devtob on Sun Mar 02, 2014 at 07:45:02 PM PST

  •  I used to listens to those fools... (12+ / 0-)

    And I used to be a Republican. My big issue was initially that I'm pro gun, grew up in a red state where liberals were depicted as freaks and nutcases. But the 2000's changed me. I couldn't believe what Bush was turning us into--warrantless wiretaps, talks of removing Miranda rights, torture, total police state shit. It definitely was an eye opener for me.

    Then later I learned and saw what I didn't see before--namely how crooked billionaire cocksuckers are really pulling the strings of politicians to pass legislation to make everyone miserable so they can make even more money than they already have. I remember being in shock when I learned something like ALEC existed.

    There is hope for any right winger. But unfortunately, the cure is often letting them see just how bad Republican policies are in action. That means electing Republicans, which is too much of a painful price to pay.

    •  SOMETIMES THERE HAPPENS "A MIRACLE" (7+ / 0-)

      So glad you could see the light.  But when they have the Kochsuckers pouring millions into pacs and under the table causes it will always be an uphill fight.

      My Dad (rip) was a dirty hands worker all his life and a pretty strong liberal.  Hated to vote for Kennedy because his preacher lambasted the Catholic "we didn't ever want as President" but he did anyway.  He got taken in by the constant yammer of hate talk and died with those delusions.  Long before he got "brainwashed" I loved to sit on his front porch in the Arizona evenings and listen to stories of his younger days in Colorado and the hunting  and fishing stories. We occasionally would talk politics and religion.   In those last few years it became a struggle for me to try to have normal conversations.  Everything would turn to the hate talkers spew.  I have a big grudge against the turds.

      Those who think they KNOW EVERYTHING really piss off those of us who DO.

      by olegar on Sun Mar 02, 2014 at 10:05:46 PM PST

      [ Parent ]

      •  My "Recommend" isn't working but I did. (4+ / 0-)

        That kind of sounds like my family. Myself, I grew up in blue collar household in Kentucky. One other thing that initially made me a Republican was I knew many, many people in Eastern Kentucky who would sit on their ass all day long in a double-wide and not even try to do anything with their lives. They collected all kinds of government benefits, found ways to scam the system out of more and would never even try to do anything productive with their life.

        BUT...

        On the other side of that is, how the Republicans and other corporate shill politicians are making it harder for people. Things like "free trade", which is really just an outsourcing made easy, union busters, deregulation, etc., all make it harder for people to actually get a job. Then you have people on the right with talking points like "they make too much", never mind what CEOs and high level execs do each year. Not to mention he constant bombardment of attacks against government workers, which regardless of what they say, is a fuckin' job.

        I guess the way I felt about it was I don't like to see people sitting on their asses not even trying...but at the same time, I strongly believe everyone a chance to make it, to have the American dream, to have a job that pays enough that they can afford to pay their own bills if/when they want to get off their ass and try. But you can't possibly support the GOP if you support that. Because they believe in giving EVERYTHING to the rich. All too often, I've seen when you give everything to the rich, like we've been doing since the 80's, they don't give it back unless the demand is there...and in the meantime they will suck out every penny from the middle class in the process. Not by taking taxpayer money to sit on their ass...but by changing the game to offer less.

        •  It is worth noting (0+ / 0-)

          that Red states are far more in hock to the government for welfare than Blue states.

          I'm amazed by people's courage and kindness in the face of everything and life.

          by LaraJones on Mon Mar 03, 2014 at 12:35:13 PM PST

          [ Parent ]

          •  I know this all too well... (0+ / 0-)

            What's worse is that many of the counties that are the reddest, are also the counties that have the highest percent of unemployment, highest percent on welfare and the worst health and overall living conditions--the last people in the world that you'd expect would support someone like Mitch McConnell.

  •  Every now and then, I'll break through to mine... (6+ / 0-)

    Make some point that makes him think differently or admit a fault in his logic,or that he hadn't really heard a different viewpoint...

    But 3 months later, after hours and hours and hours of this stuff, it's like our old conversations never happened, and I'm back at square 1. It's very frustrating.

    Freedom isn't free. That's why we pay taxes.

    by walk2live on Sun Mar 02, 2014 at 09:21:08 PM PST

  •  My father too watches Fox (but can't abide (6+ / 0-)

    Limburger and really couldn't stand Glen Beck), but with the eye of Soviet citizen reading Pravda or Izvestia, i.e. taken with a huge mound of salt.  Even so, since it's the only media source he consults (with occasional forays into CNN or CNBC -- not as bad as Fox, but close -- and his subscription to the Murdoch-owned Wall Street Journal) he has a fairly warped frame of reference to begin with, so that any reading between the lines still ends up at a pretty conservative place.

    When machines and computers, profit motives and property rights are considered more important than people, the giant triplets of racism, materialism, and militarism are incapable of being conquered -- MLK, Jr.

    by caul on Sun Mar 02, 2014 at 11:13:28 PM PST

  •  Ah yes ... (3+ / 0-)

    my father suffers from Fox Geezer Syndrome too. Amazingly, it afflicts the parents of Republicans too.

    “Mitt Romney is the only person in America who looked at the way this Congress is behaving and said, ‘I want the brains behind THAT operation.’ ” — Tom Perriello

    by hungrycoyote on Sun Mar 02, 2014 at 11:45:44 PM PST

    •  Parents ranting about Obama (1+ / 0-)
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      NoMoreLies

      Problem is that I hit the news on the tubes, DK, Talking Point, Think progress, Automatic Earth, Dr Housing Bubble, that sort of stuff.

      And I am getting frustrated with a president who is ignoring/abetting/oblivious or blackmailed by the RW Wall Street crooks.

      Hanauer is about the only Hedge fund billionaire that makes sense. Billions go missing and the DOJ i.e. this administration tiptoes along. Take a pencil or some paper clip or maybe 6inches of safety wire from the company trash can out the gate and they prosecute like you just stole the CEO's office recliner.

  •  It amazes me how many commenters here are (12+ / 0-)

    commiserate with the filmmaker.

    Thankfully, my father and mother were Republicans turned Democrats after Bush. My father died just after Obama took office, but I loved talking to him about politics, the Red Sox, and computers. I can't imagine him as a Fox Sheep.

    My mom loves Obama and I took her to the 2012 DNC where she got up on stage in the background of a Planned Parenthood rally with Sandra Fluke, Cecile Richard, Cory Booker, Kerry Washington and her idol from 'House'. She was 79. It is cute how she gets form letters signed by Obama/Democrats and believes he personally wrote her. Love her much, and miss my Dad.

    I guess the point is, after hearing all the stories here of good folks/parents getting sucked in to hate media, I'm even more grateful for the parents I've had.

    "In this world, hate has never yet dispelled hate. Only love can dispel hate." ~ Buddha

    by Leslie Salzillo on Mon Mar 03, 2014 at 01:15:09 AM PST

  •  There's an immediacy of the medium (2+ / 0-)
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    TV comes directly into your home.

    The only people you regularly invite into your home are trusted, they wouldn't dare lie to you in your very own living room.

    Television shows play on that sense of familiarity to build their audiences to sell the crap they peddle, and Fox News is peddling plenty of crap, both in commercials and content.

    As one who has worked in Network Television, I maintain that almost everything you see on the TeeVee Machine is a lie designed to separate you from your money. Period.

    (The only "reality" TV is found on the 24hr weather & traffic channels, and I'm not so sure about the weather part...)

    That's why talk radio is most effective during drive time. The talker is a fellow commuter, invited into the sanctity of your car every day. He/she (mostly he) wouldn't dare lie to you from the passenger seat of your own car.

    Insidious....

    "It's never too late to have a happy childhood." - Tom Robbins - Political Compass sez: -8.25, -7.90

    by ARS on Mon Mar 03, 2014 at 07:01:14 AM PST

  •  This & Bud Meyers post hit a nerve (1+ / 0-)
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    Dirtandiron

    I see this in my own family

  •  All of this started when Reagan did away with (3+ / 0-)
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    Dirtandiron, jan4insight, wilder5121

    the Fairness Doctrine. Before Reagan, media were not swamped with hate.

    Put the Fairness Rule back in place and these problems go away.

    •  True...BUT... (0+ / 0-)

      Not entirely Reagan. This article (Washington Post 8/23/11) provides some insight...here's a taste:

      "How it was ended: The Fairness Doctrine sustained a number of challenges over the years. A lawsuit challenging the doctrine on First Amendment grounds, Red Lion Broadcasting Co., Inc. v. Federal Communications Commission , reached the Supreme Court in 1969. The Court ruled unanimously that while broadcasters have First Amendment speech rights, the fact that the spectrum is owned by the government and merely leased to broadcasters gives the FCC the right to regulate news content. However, First Amendment jurisprudence after Red Lion started to allow more speech rights to broadcasters, and put the constitutionality of the Fairness Doctrine in question.

      In response, the FCC began to reconsider the rule in the mid-80s, and ultimately revoked it in 1987, after Congress passed a resolution instructing the commission to study the issue. The decision has been credited with the explosion of conservative talk radio in the late ‘80s and early ‘90s. While the FCC has not enforced the rule in nearly a quarter century, it remains technically on the books. As a part of the Obama administration’s broader efforts to overhaul federal regulation, the FCC is finally scrapping the rule once and for all."

      "Do you realize that fluoridation is the most monstrously conceived and dangerous Communist plot we have ever had to face?" - General Jack D. Ripper

      by wilder5121 on Mon Mar 03, 2014 at 06:25:11 PM PST

      [ Parent ]

  •  The Brainwashing of my Dad.......... (2+ / 0-)
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    jan4insight, Sandy on Signal

    It is a very sad thing to see your family being split apart by these haters. My sister, 8 years older then I, recently died she was only 70. She watched all of them, the really crazy ones. She became so mean, so righteous, so deliberate and so wrong. I have cousins who are old girls who carry guns. They enjoy having shooting parties.  They even loaned my sister a gun, as she lived in the country and might need it someday.  My sister could barely hold her coffee cup, much less a rifle. All of this was caused by the poison spewed by the haters. Had my sister ever read the 2nd Amendment?  I want the haters to know that they may have taken my sister and may have good hold on my cousins and my step Mother and some other family members, but they won't get me.  I worked for these kind of people my whole life and I know that you cannot trust people who are only concerned with filling their own pockets at the expense of others. No matter how many times the haters try to convince me that it is poor people's "fault" they are poor, or don't have health insurance because of something they did to themselves.  I will tell the haters it is because people with a voice who could be helping others are only concerned with being in the limelight and filling their own pockets with the money they have taken from others hopes and dreams.

  •  Lost a sister to Ronald Reagan (2+ / 0-)
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    jan4insight, Sandy on Signal

    years ago and have not spoken since.  It is sad how the party of "family values" has been an instrument of so much family strife.

  •  This is what has happened to my closest brother... (0+ / 0-)

    Over the years since Limbaugh first started broadcasting his hate filled paranoia, my brother - once a long-haired, pot-smoking, kind-hearted hippie has become someone whose canned response to why people are poor is that "they spend too much on cell phones they can't afford."   I know he's been listening to Limbaugh and his ilk since the late 1980's, most likely under the influence of our far-right, religious fundamentalist, racist parents.

    The first five seconds of a Limbaugh show were more than enough to start me gagging back in the late '80's.  

    Now, I make a concerted effort to keep my conversations with my brother away from politics because it accomplishes nothing and becomes really painful to me to see just what has happened to him under the influence of right-wing radio talk shows.  

  •  I am struck by the sheer number of (0+ / 0-)

    people who have become unrecognizable to those who know then, the out-of-characterness of what they are now doing and saying.  Such a behavioral/attitude change in such a comparably short time makes me think "TIA."  Can they possibly all, or even a majority, be having TIAs?  Is there anything uniquely American in the air we breathe, the water we drink, the food we eat that could make our population vulnerable to many people having TIAs?  I am certainly not claiming any knowledge, just asking.

  •  They think for these people (0+ / 0-)

    One of the biggest lies that is being fed to the public is that the media is a liberal media. The media will not correct this lie for some reason however when you listen to the majority of the media they are ultra conservative right wing or center right, such as CNN the station, Meet the Press, ABC the tv station, and out right fanatical liars on FOX. When I first heard Limbaugh, in Sacramento California, he told people that he would do the thinking for them and he did the thinking for these idiots. I hate to say this about your father but if he lets Limbaugh do his thinking he is an idiot. I have not listened to Limbaugh since and I never listened to him more than a week since he has been on radio and television. I refuse to let an idiot think for me.

  •  The problem is not FOX.... (0+ / 0-)

    but the conflation of social and economic issues. Instead of having an honest debate on homosexuality or abortion, we see one set of rigorous beliefs opposed by another. Meanwhile, the rich laugh and steal our lunch with low wages, threats to pensions and unemployment by increasing the labor pool.

    Being a liberal is not a religion, and yet if you don't agree with one moral issue or another, you are an outcast. Yes, there is a reason the white male doesn't vote for Dems, as he sees they are a party of social change, but not economic fairness under the likes of Obama and Clinton. Saying it could be worse - the GOP and Pete Peterson - is correct, but not something to get excited about.

  •  I'm in my 60's, it's my friends I've lost (0+ / 0-)

    to right wing insanity.

    I went to Texas to visit a friend of 30+ yrs during Bush's second administration. I was shocked at the transformation. She had gone from a spiritual seeker to a gun toting, right wing Bush fanatic. Everything was the fault of gays, liberals and illegals. And when I argued the points, she would become angry and accuse me of a lack of patriotism. She would bitch about the fact that none of her roofers spoke English, but she wouldn't ask if they were legal - because she didn't want to pay what Americans charged. The last straw for me was getting a letter from her full of Jesus talk and asking me what had happened to me to make me an America hater. I don't throw my military service around much, but, to be called an America hater from someone who had never done anything remotely close to community service of any kind was too much, and I never responded. A few years later I got another letter with more Jesus talk and the rest was right wing hate. I never responded. My friend is gone - I have no idea who this person is.

    And that's just one....I've lost more of the people of my life to this, but, I can't make those who will not see use their eyes. They are so locked in hate.....

    •  You might be the problem (0+ / 0-)

      Silence in many instances means consent. Your friend and others think you believe what they are saying because you let them say it and ignore what they say. You do not have to be confrontational but if you give them facts some time they will listen. When I give facts and can prove those facts people start to listen. Yes even the most right wing fanatics can be converted if you give them facts. Talk about privatizing Social Security and an illegal war for oil in Iraq and the job killing House members just to name a few great points that conservative Republicans will listen too. However, if you are not aware of the issues you are going to lose all of your friends on the right and you do not have too.

      •  Sometimes facts simply don't matter (0+ / 0-)

        I've had ongoing, repeated discussions with both right wing conservatives and evangelicals where facts have had no impact at all, period. There is a close-mindedness and a rigidity there that simply won't allow for any consideration, even briefly, of an alternative view. You get the feeling sometimes that such a consideration is simply too threatening, that if they concede on one point, it will lead (or might lead?) to putting their whole conservative and religious edifice at risk. Fear seems to play a big part in their close-mindedness and rigidity.

  •  My parents never stopped being liberals, but (1+ / 0-)
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    flumptytail

    when my mom was in a nursing home and being cared for primarily by Latinos and Latinas, she started making some slightly anti-Hispanic remarks from time to time.

    I called her on it. I said, "Mom, I hear a lot of people say that kind of thing. I don't like it but I usually just ignore it. But when the woman who drilled me on anti-racist thought makes a remark like that, I don't think I can take it. To hear you, of all people, say that -- it's just beyond my ability to accept."

    That was the end of it. She never said another vaguely racist thing, or at least not to me.

  •  Brainwshing by Fox (1+ / 0-)
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    shantideva

    I have seem persons which have used the benefits
    from government programs , turn on the very
    ones which have helped they through life and to be
    where they are today.  
    If not for these programs they and their many children
    would have been in the poor house with no chance
    in life.
    Now , because of the propaganda , deceit from their
    watching of Fox Tabloid , they are against Public
    programs and SS  , Medicare , union retirement , the
    very ones witch without they would be on the
    streets.  
    Of course they believe they earned what they have
    and NO one else did.
    Their children have the same beliefs and without their
    parents use of these programs & unions  ,  they would most likely not have S....

  •  Just one thing..... (1+ / 0-)
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    belinda ridgewood

    ". . . the likes of Rush Limbaugh, FOX News, and Hate Media . . ." should IMHO read ". . . the likes of Rush Limbaugh, FOX News, and the rest of Hate Media . . ." No way that Fox and Rush should be separated in any way from the hate machine that they in many ways control!

  •  Fox and Rush (0+ / 0-)

    have caused havoc all over. I watch my semi normal brother-in-law turn into a reactionary nut after getting hooked on FOX NEWS. I haven't seen my sister for years because she doesn't want to deal with him for seeing me or so she says. Then a friend of mine accused me of not respecting her opinion but I never knew what "her" opinion was. All I ever heard out of her was the basic ditto head shit from Rush. I quit discussing anything of substance with her. I don't like talk radio of either persuasion. The liberal talk radio is just as obnoxious as the Rush group. I have a number of CD's now that I have a car with a CD player and before I had tapes. I hope she can deprogram her dad.

  •  This is a huge problem (1+ / 0-)
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    shantideva

    I've heard a lot of stories from people that have had some member of their family go from being a normal reasonable human being to an angry, terrified, right-wing bigot after prolonged exposure to Fox, Rush and others.

  •  I could have written this title. (0+ / 0-)

    The same happened to mine.

  •  It's the Fairness Doctrine (0+ / 0-)

    I hope in their film they cover the real reason the right wing media was able to exist: the eradication of the Fairness Doctrine.   Complete details can be found here:

    http://bsalert.com/...

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