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People gathered at Hance Park to protest against Immigration and Customs Enforcement (ICE) in Phoenix, Arizona October 14, 2013. The demonstration organized by the immigration rights group Puente are demanding that President Barack Obama and Immigration and Customs Enforcement officials put an end to arresting and deporting illegal immigrants nation wide. REUTERS/Joshua Lott
About time:
Multiple sources involved in discussions with House Dem leaders about this tactic fully expect that [House Minority Leader Nancy Pelosi] will pull the trigger on the discharge petition. Though plans could change, they view this as more a matter of timing and lining up key players than anything else at this point.
Under House rules, a majority of the chamber can bring legislation to the floor by signing such a discharge petition. But while a majority of the chamber would pass the Senate's immigration reform bill in an open vote, House Speaker John Boehner refuses to allow such a vote, fearing it would spur a Tea Party uprising and cost him his speakership.

However, too many Republicans have tried to have it both ways—claiming they'd support reform if it came up for a vote, but content with the current obstructionism. The discharge petition will force Republicans to put up or shut up. And while few (if any) will break with their leadership on this, their refusal to sign will be yet more confirmation to Latinos that it is the GOP that stands in the way of keeping their families and communities together.

It could also deflect some heat off President Barack Obama, who was just called the "deporter-in-chief" by the president of the National Council of La Raza, the largest Latino civil rights organization in the country. And given that Obama's administration has already deported more undocumented immigrants than President George Bush did during his entire eight years, the description fits.

Originally posted to kos on Tue Mar 04, 2014 at 01:06 PM PST.

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  •  It's gonna be interesting (4+ / 0-)

    to see how the repugs line up with a "put up or shut up" vote on something they CLEARLY do not want to pass and yet are afraid to vote against.

    Also, the tea party idiots are gonna have a massive coronary over this! (Which is a great upside)

    Seriously, this could push the tea party idiots to primary the less insane repugs out, causing them to run people like Akin who (lets face it) is a WIN for the Democratic party.  The more crazy the tea party candidate is, the easier it is for a Democrat to pick up that seat!

    Never underestimate stupid. Stupid is how reTHUGlicans win!

    by Mannie on Tue Mar 04, 2014 at 01:23:01 PM PST

    •  I'm always nervous about this "crazier the better" (4+ / 0-)

      theoretically-easier-to-beat-'em  strategy.  I know it is widely accepted as a logical political approach.  

      But when we fail to beat 'em, then they're in there.  In droves.  And they are f'n CRAZY!

      "The extinction of the human race will come from its inability to EMOTIONALLY comprehend the exponential function." -- Edward Teller

      by lgmcp on Tue Mar 04, 2014 at 02:12:06 PM PST

      [ Parent ]

  •  C'mon GOP, fish, or cut Benghazi (7+ / 0-)
    However, too many Republicans have tried to have it both ways -- claiming they'd support reform if it came up for a vote, but content with the current obstructionism. The discharge petition will force Republicans to put up or shut up. And while few (if any) will break with their leadership on this, their refusal to sign will be yet more confirmation to Latinos that it is the GOP that stands in the way of keeping their families and communities together.

    Warning - some snark may be above‽ (-9.50; -7.03)‽ eState4Column5©2013 "I’m not the strapping young Muslim socialist that I used to be" - Barack Obama 04/27/2013 (@eState4Column5).

    by annieli on Tue Mar 04, 2014 at 01:24:25 PM PST

    •  too many democrats (2+ / 0-)
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      have been have been willing to negotiate to cut funding for SNAP and voting against funding the education for every qualified and interested student.  It seems that back in 2010 it was a few democrats that cost us the dream act.

      It is nice that the Democrats are no longer hiding behind the Republicans for cover.

  •  Quite a while back there was a big presidential (3+ / 0-)
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    announcement about the Obama Administration deciding not to enforce deportation proceedings against undocumented who were not criminals and were attending school....and some other conditions I can't remember.

    Given continuing deportation activity, it seems that much about that previous announcement simply never got implemented....as witnessed by Kos' friend's husband and father getting deported.

  •  Boehner's fear of a Tea Party uprising is lame. (7+ / 0-)

    Punxsutawney Phil has been unfriended.

    by jwinIL14 on Tue Mar 04, 2014 at 01:42:56 PM PST

  •  Obama HAS been deporter-in-chief (6+ / 0-)

    and he did it on purpose, IMO, as a calculated risk.  The strategy was to gain "tough on the border" credibility as political cover, hopefully allowing more progress on path-to-citizenship reforms.   The risk is, of course, that if NO reform ever occurs, then all those deportations alienated your traditional allies while also failing to impress your opponents.  

    A discharge petition is a very sensible approach at this time.  Make the R's own the legislative inaction, and do it over and over and over.  

    "The extinction of the human race will come from its inability to EMOTIONALLY comprehend the exponential function." -- Edward Teller

    by lgmcp on Tue Mar 04, 2014 at 02:04:10 PM PST

    •  Calling him Deporter in Chief is clever politics (2+ / 0-)
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      Calling him "Deporter in Chief" is clever politics on the part of La Raza, as well. Plays to the GOP's (pseudo) demands for 'toughness' (whatever that means).

      •  It is, yes. Very rhetorically effective (1+ / 0-)
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        and will increase pressure from his left while enhancing his intended standing with the "what part of illegal do you not understand?" crowd.   A double whammy that could help make real things happen -- like this discharge petition.

        "The extinction of the human race will come from its inability to EMOTIONALLY comprehend the exponential function." -- Edward Teller

        by lgmcp on Tue Mar 04, 2014 at 02:24:39 PM PST

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  •  Now I have no clue as to the accuracy . . . (2+ / 0-)
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    of this bit of speculation.  

    But has Obama directed the INS to step up deportations?

    I have wondered if the increase could owe in part to Democrats just being better at government?

     . . .  wish they were better at being Democrats while in government , with this issue high on that list.

    •  If you look at a chart of deportation (4+ / 0-)
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      you will notice that Bush2 did a lot more than Clinton.  I wonder if a lot of the people he hired are still there.

      "Harass us, because we really do pay attention. Look at who's on the ballot, and vote for the candidate you agree with the most. The next time, you get better choices." - Barney Frank

      by anonevent on Tue Mar 04, 2014 at 02:12:38 PM PST

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    •  Deportations are not really up.. (4+ / 0-)

      First off.. total deportations are down 10% from 2012.

      Second, the Obama admin decided to include border returns at the border in the "deportations" total.

      The increases have all been border returns, as opposed to real removals.  The border guards have simply gotten better at doing what they do.

      Real deportations - actual removals of people residing in the US - are actually down over the past 4 years.

      It is ironic that the stats the Obama Administration have been touting to show their "tough on immigration" creds, are now actually backfiring for Dems politically.

  •  Whatever happened to the minimum wage (4+ / 0-)

    discharge petition?

    Looks like there are only 191 Dems who have signed the Discharge Petition for HR 1010, the bill to increase the minimum wage to $10.10.

    Link

    HR 1010 at Thomas

    Money is property, not speech. Overturn Citizens United.

    by Betty Pinson on Tue Mar 04, 2014 at 02:11:40 PM PST

    •  Correct & Pelosi (1+ / 0-)
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      Hasn't been able to get all Democrats on board as yet.  What she's hoping is that she can get the retiring Republicons who will have nothing to lose but that still won't be enough for the discharge petition.  

      Never be afraid to voice your opinion and fight for it . Corporations aren't people, they're Republicans (Rev Al Sharpton 10/7/2011) Voting is a louder voice than a bullhorn but sometimes you need that bullhorn to retain your vote.

      by Rosalie907 on Tue Mar 04, 2014 at 09:08:23 PM PST

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  •  I look forward to Repuglican squirming and loud (3+ / 0-)
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    cries of victimization at the trickery of Nancy Pelosi.  Pelosi will enjoy every moment of it.

    Putting the fun back in dysfunctional.

    by hawkseye on Tue Mar 04, 2014 at 02:12:08 PM PST

  •  a suggestion . . . . (2+ / 0-)
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    It could also deflect some heat off President Barack Obama, who was just called the "deporter-in-chief" by the president of the National Council of La Raza, the largest Latino civil rights organization in the country. And given that Obama's administration has already deported more undocumented immigrants than President George Bush did during his entire eight years, the description fits.
    If the Dems really don't want to be known as the "deporters in chief", wouldn't it be easier to . .  uh. . .  stop deporting all those people, instead of buying political cover with a shit bill that makes people pay a fortune and jump through a gazillion hoops for years before allowing them to even APPLY for citizenship?

    Just a thought . . . . . .

    In the end, reality always wins.

    by Lenny Flank on Tue Mar 04, 2014 at 02:16:45 PM PST

    •  Considering the difficulties of passing (1+ / 0-)
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      even the shit bill ... no, it wouldn't be easier.  

      "The extinction of the human race will come from its inability to EMOTIONALLY comprehend the exponential function." -- Edward Teller

      by lgmcp on Tue Mar 04, 2014 at 02:27:29 PM PST

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    •  No, it wouldn't be easier. (1+ / 0-)
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      If you actually dig into the data, it turns out that all of the increase in "deportations," and then some, reflects people who are caught at the border and sent away, as opposed to actual deportations of people living in the United States who are found to lack documentation. Those actual deportations have fallen under Obama, as a result of things like the DREAM Act by executive order he gave.

      The increase of border enforcement is a result of the additional fences, cameras, personnel, etc. that have been deployed at the border as a result of the border security bills the Republicans passed in 2006.

      Art is the handmaid of human good.

      by joe from Lowell on Tue Mar 04, 2014 at 02:58:45 PM PST

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    •  No, they need Congress to act. (0+ / 0-)

      The Senate bill is lenient enough, giving legal status immediately and citizenship after 13 years. House bills would maybe, someday give legal status.

  •  A majority will NOT pass the Senate bill, kos (0+ / 0-)

    I do not know why you keep saying that, or think so.  But the Senate bill would never pass the House.

  •  What exactly is involved in this? (0+ / 0-)

    I do not follow all the ins and outs on everything political going on today.  I'm more like the vast majority of our citizens and have a specific position on most issues but do not really know what the actual bills and proposed legislation really does when that is put forward in the two houses of congress.  

    Is there a "quick" path to citizenship in this immigration discussion going on?  Or, is it more about actually helping the predominantly Mexican population living here that came here illegally get a way to be legal here and if they choose to become citizens, they have to follow the path anyone else coming here follows?

    Why do we citizens not really know this?  Why is there so much argument about the "citizenship" part of this?  

    I think both sides hide their intent and it does nothing but keep anything from happening.  

    Someone here want to answer the simple question I've presented here?

    •  It's all up in the air (0+ / 0-)

      and few are sufficiently legislative-wonk-ish to read and compare draft legistlation from dozens of sources.

      The gist of Democratic plans seems to be as follows:

      a) we'll stay tough or even get tougher on the border

      b) we'll marginally speed up the processing of new legal applicants and add a few more pen slots (which may or may not be "guest workers" aka long-term visas under the control of large employers)

      c) we'll help current long-term residents who are undocumented, obtain documentation, through a complicated process of applying, proving good character, waiting, paying fines, and paying back taxes.

      This is my understanding of the effective intent, of what middle-of-the-road Democratic legislators are advocating.  Of course the progressive caucus would modify it to be more permissive, and the blue-dog types wouldn't support part C.  

      "The extinction of the human race will come from its inability to EMOTIONALLY comprehend the exponential function." -- Edward Teller

      by lgmcp on Tue Mar 04, 2014 at 02:35:15 PM PST

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      •  Heh, "open" slots not "pen" slots (0+ / 0-)

        but given the reality of the meat-packing industry it's kind of an apt typo.

        "The extinction of the human race will come from its inability to EMOTIONALLY comprehend the exponential function." -- Edward Teller

        by lgmcp on Tue Mar 04, 2014 at 02:36:16 PM PST

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  •  Sargent's full of shit. The goal is not to (3+ / 0-)

    give any kind of support or pressure for any GOPs to do anything. The goal is to make Republicans look bad.

    Period.

    The end result of that is "See what we tried to do but they stood in the way? Elect more of us and we will get this done."

    LG: You know what? You got spunk. MR: Well, Yes... LG: I hate spunk!

    by dinotrac on Tue Mar 04, 2014 at 02:31:03 PM PST

  •  No Brainer! (1+ / 0-)
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    Smoke out the hypocrites and fence-sitters.

  •  I rec'd and tipped this diary Kos (0+ / 0-)

    Brought To You By That Crazed Sociologist/Media Fanatic rebel ga Be The Change You Want To See In The World! Gandhi

    by rebel ga on Tue Mar 04, 2014 at 02:50:17 PM PST

  •  Well, no, the description doesn't actually fit. (2+ / 0-)
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    If you actually dig into the reports about ICE enforcement actions under Obama, you'll discover that all (and then some) of the increase is coming from people caught trying to cross the border who are sent back, and that the number of actual deportations - people living in the United States who are sent out of the country - has dropped.

    And while the drop in actual deportations is a consequence of actions taken by the Obama administration, such as the DREAM through executive order, the increase in border apprehensions is a consequence of the additional border security measures - the fence and cameras and additional agents - deployed on the border by the 2006 border security bills passed by the Republican Congress on their way out the door.

    Art is the handmaid of human good.

    by joe from Lowell on Tue Mar 04, 2014 at 02:54:06 PM PST

  •  What's to prevent... (0+ / 0-)

    the House rules committee from changing to rules to make discharge petitions useless?

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