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U.S. House Majority Leader Eric Cantor (R-VA) (L) and House Speaker John Boehner (R-OH) (R) lead a news conference with fellow House Republicans at the U.S. Capitol in Washington, October 4, 2013. Washington headed into the fifth day of a partial governme
While the Republican House of Representatives is preparing to vote on what is basically their 52nd attempt to repeal Obamacare wholly or in part, a new poll from Bloomberg shows the foolishness of that agenda.
President Barack Obama’s health-care law is becoming more entrenched, with 64 percent of Americans now supporting it outright or backing small changes. […]

“Things definitely seem to be getting better,” said Paul Attard, 50, a political independent in Evergreen, Colorado and a program manager for a cell-phone company who wants the law modified rather than repealed. “It seems like they are getting a lot more people to join. It’s a sign that the system is working.” […]

Fifty-one percent of Americans favor retaining the Affordable Care Act with “small modifications,” while 13 percent would leave the law intact and 34 percent would repeal it. That’s the highest level of public acceptance for the law yet in the Bloomberg poll.

While Republicans are going to keep running on repealing Obamacare, more and more people are going to come to the conclusion Mr. Attard has. It's working, so why abandon it. And why spend so much time and energy on it? Meanwhile, Democrats will continue to hit the issue that is key to voters right now: economic fairness.

Originally posted to Joan McCarter on Thu Mar 13, 2014 at 10:40 AM PDT.

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    •  The GOP has had 5 years to discredit ACA (5+ / 0-)
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      chicago minx, thomask, TomP, StellaRay, JVolvo

      yet it is still succeeding.  

      I'm beginning to wonder if under the DSM-V psychiatric diagnosis manual, if many of the Tea Party congressmen can be involuntarily committed for mental illness.  They are acting irrationally and recklessly, and cannot face reality.  

       Maybe a mental health professional can weigh in.

      •  Einstein weighed in on this (1+ / 0-)
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        close to a hundred years ago with the definition of insanity…

        "Doing the same thing over and over and expecting different
        results."

        "A typical vice of American politics is the avoidance of saying anything real on real issues." Theodore Roosevelt.

        by StellaRay on Thu Mar 13, 2014 at 01:44:50 PM PDT

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        •  Actually, that quotation is spurious (0+ / 0-)

          it was invented by Narcotics Anonymous, an offshoot of AA, in 1981. (Not to be confused with the Scientology scam Narconon.)

          Back off, man. I'm a logician.—GOPBusters™

          by Mokurai on Thu Mar 13, 2014 at 04:29:21 PM PDT

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          •  Ummm, no. (0+ / 0-)

            You're going to have to prove to me that this was not Einstein's quote, or wait, heck, prove it to all the sites on the internet that credit him for it.

            No, I don't think it was first said by NA, which I have all due respect for, and which I would not in any way confuse w/Scientology. Scientology is enough confused itself, w/out me adding in, LOL

            "A typical vice of American politics is the avoidance of saying anything real on real issues." Theodore Roosevelt.

            by StellaRay on Thu Mar 13, 2014 at 07:51:31 PM PDT

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            •  Did you even read the Wikiquote page I linked to? (0+ / 0-)
              Insanity is repeating the same mistakes and expecting different results.
                 From the book Narcotics Anonymous, which is referred to within the Narcotics Anonymous fellowship as "the basic text". The quotation was not in the "grey book" version of the basic text distribute­d for editing by the fellowship at large in 1980, but was in the approval version released in November, 1981. A pdf scan of the 1981 approval version can be found here, with the quote appearing on p. 11 (p. 25 of the pdf), at the end of the fourth paragraph (which begins "We have a disease; progressive, incurable and fatal").

                  It might have originated in some other part of the addiction recovery community, since it seems to have been in oral use prior to 1981, being cited in a 1980 text from Alcoholics Anonymous (though the link on google books is to a 1992 revised edition, so confirmation is needed that it appeared in the original 1980 version):

                      “When I came into the program, I heard that insanity is doing the same thing over and over and expecting different results,”[Step Two: A promise of hope (anonymous pamphelet (from AA Twelve Steps), later attributed to James G. Jensen), 1980, 1992 revised edition, ISBN 0-89486106-9, published by Hazelden Foundation, p. 10]

                  Variant: "Insanity is doing the same thing over and over again but expecting different results." Rita Mae Brown, Sudden Death (Bantam Books, New York, 1983, p. 68).

                  Note: This quote and variants including "The definition of insanity ..." or "One definition of ..." have been attributed to Albert Einstein, Ben Franklin, Confucius, and an old Chinese proverb, but this is its first known appearance in print.

              Back off, man. I'm a logician.—GOPBusters™

              by Mokurai on Thu Mar 13, 2014 at 09:30:01 PM PDT

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              •  Sorry, missed the link. (0+ / 0-)

                However I would still not say the phrase was "invented" by NA.
                Seems variations of it have been around a lot longer. According to your source it first appeared in print in the NA book. Who knows who said it first. Wonder why it's attributed most often to Albert Einstein.

                "A typical vice of American politics is the avoidance of saying anything real on real issues." Theodore Roosevelt.

                by StellaRay on Fri Mar 14, 2014 at 06:49:13 AM PDT

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    •  Whenever we discuss those millions (2+ / 0-)
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      we should point to the numbers and graphs that Kossack brainwrap has put together on his ACA Signups pages.

      Private QHPs: (4.01M - 5.03M)  •  Medicaid/CHIP: (4.37M - 6.08M)  •  Sub26ers: 3.10M

      Total as of March 13, 2014: (11.5 M - 14.2 M)

      QHP = Qualified Health Plan

      CHIP = Children's Health Insurance Plan, which goes with Medicaid

      Back off, man. I'm a logician.—GOPBusters™

      by Mokurai on Thu Mar 13, 2014 at 04:22:59 PM PDT

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  •  only 13% accept it as is? (0+ / 0-)

    That is a terribly low number but I wonder if the poll noted the changes that have been made over the last six months?

  •  That two thirds percentage seems significant (20+ / 0-)

    It would be difficult to go backwards.

    the woman who is easily irritated

    by chicago minx on Thu Mar 13, 2014 at 10:45:59 AM PDT

  •  Must be one of those skewed polls (19+ / 0-)

    like the ones that claimed President Romney was going to lose.

  •  It's only March (20+ / 0-)

    By fall the numbers may be higher.

    None are so hopelessly enslaved, as those who falsely believe they are free. The truth has been kept from the depth of their minds by masters who rule them with lies. -Johann von Goethe

    by gjohnsit on Thu Mar 13, 2014 at 11:09:50 AM PDT

  •  And the 64% doesn't even include those who... (6+ / 0-)

    ...would like to repeal it and replace it with Single Payer.

    Daily Kos an oasis of truth. Truth that leads to action.

    by Shockwave on Thu Mar 13, 2014 at 11:23:30 AM PDT

  •  This idea of a perfect law is nonsense (9+ / 0-)

    and only seems to apply to this President. Medicare became law in 1965; the ACA added 7 years of solvency to Medicare and slow the programs growth to negligible, this month Medicare needs a Doc FIX.

  •  Obamacare co-ops are working (8+ / 0-)

      Bloomberg also has an article about the co-ops established in the ACA. Some of them are doing extremely well. Here

  •   a lot of the 'problems' (3+ / 0-)
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    may have to do with federal/state interface.
    for example, the way my state is interpreting and implementing expanded medicaid is full of errors and weird stuff.

    for example: self employed? feds count your income as 'adjusted gross income, accounting for your legal business expenses, etc.'. AZ considers your income as 'total gross receipts' an allows ZERO business expenses , including ZERO inclusion of something as straightforward as cost of goods.
    this is a HUGE difference. The state understands my income, for example to be twice what the feds think.
    so there are a number of people who are making too much to qualify for expanded medicaid (by state definition) and not enough to qualify for federal ACA marketplace (by fed definition)

    also , some vets are finding out that the feds allow for some credits that the state does not allow. same problem.

    IMHO, this responsibility is the State's . they are seeing this medicaid extension as 'welfare' and trying to fit new recipients into the old  model,
    (requiring monthly budget, not allowing for business deductions..these things just do not work for self employed, who are NOT, by any means,unemployed, but who do not have even ,month to month incomes) even though the feds are paying the states for everyone who qualifies for expanded medicaid.

    this doesn't even deal with states who have refused to participate.
    so of course it all needs improvement

  •  Who cares? (1+ / 0-)
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    Seriously. The thing we need to know is which position is going to bring people out to vote. Once we know that, than these polls will mean something.

    I'm no philosopher, I am no poet, I'm just trying to help you out - Gomez (from the song Hamoa Beach)

    by jhecht on Thu Mar 13, 2014 at 11:45:33 AM PDT

  •  I hate this law, with a passion, but it still (0+ / 0-)

    is slightly better for almost  everyone. No sense going back. The medical community can still KMA, bunch of thieves.

  •  The Pundits Are Not Going To Like This Poll! (8+ / 0-)

    Especially Chuck Todd.  He was just on Morning Joe glooming & dooming 2016 for the Dems because the
    WSJ put out a poll showing the President w/ 4l%.

    Never mind that a different poll the next day showed him w/ 46%.  Chuck says it's "grim" for Obama.

    4.45 MILLION have signed up for the ACA on the federal website, 5.67 MILLION on the Medicaid expansion, & 3.l
    MILLION young adults are now on their parent's plan.

    Woe is Chuck!  Happy is me!

    •  Good thing the Prez isn't running for anything (3+ / 0-)
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      next election. GOPers keep forgetting that.

      Yes, DailyKos DOES have puzzles! Visit us here Saturday nights @ 5:00 PDT (easier puzzles) and Sunday nights @ 5:00 PDT (more challenging) for a group solving. Even if you just pop in and comment while watching the fun, everybody is welcome. uid:21352

      by pucklady on Thu Mar 13, 2014 at 12:38:42 PM PDT

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  •  Great but suspiciously so (0+ / 0-)

    64 percent?  Even the 51 sounds high.  But hey I hope it's true.

  •  This Is Where The GOTP Will Really Choke. (2+ / 0-)
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    Even their diehard partisans essentially want to keep Obamacare.

    Still, rank-and-file Republicans want several key provisions retained. Sixty-two percent of Republicans want to retain the law’s ban on denying coverage based on pre-existing medical conditions, and 57 percent want to keep the requirement that insurance companies allow children up to age 26 to stay on their parents’ policies.

    Republicans are about evenly divided on the elimination of lifetime limits on medical benefits.

    Even majorities of those who would repeal the law want to maintain some of those provisions. Fifty-eight percent of repeal backers favor keeping the prohibition on denying coverage based on pre-existing conditions, and 58 percent also want to continue to allow those up to age 26 to remain on their parents’ policies. A substantial 40 percent minority of repeal advocates would keep the law’s ban on lifetime caps on insurance benefits.

    Those provisions are more popular with the country as a whole. Sixty-five percent of Americans support the ban on denying coverage based on pre-existing conditions, 73 percent want to let children stay on policies up to age 26, and 53 percent favor the elimination of lifetime caps.

    Why Democratic candidates are tentative about supporting Obamacare is befuddling.
    •  Before we jump for joy (0+ / 0-)

      This is one poll and the Kaiser Poll was not as optomostic we should wait and make sure these numbers are replicate d in other polls. Never the less its good news and hopefully, a sign of the future
      Remember Public Policy Polling had Alex Sink ahead by 3 pts before she lost by 1.8
      Vigilance

      a long habit of not thinking a thing WRONG, gives it a superficial appearance of being RIGHT, and raises at first a formidable outcry in defense of custom.

      by Jamesleo on Thu Mar 13, 2014 at 12:43:07 PM PDT

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      •  You're Right To Be Restrained About Polling Data (0+ / 0-)

        but it has been clear from the start that Americans of all stripes widely support most of the components of Obamacare except the individual mandate.

        The failure of Democrats to trumpet the many discrete achievements made by Obamacare is puzzling. Closing the doughnut-hole, keeping kids on to age 26, eliminating annual and lifetime coverage caps, and prohibiting discrimination based on pre-existing conditions are HUGE but most Americans don't draw a connection because Democrats have allowed the GOTP's deceitful rhetoric to dominate the discussion. In that sense, this poll is actually only confirming what we already knew via many other polls.

        •  Supportimg the Components Does not say much (1+ / 0-)
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          Unfortunately people supporting the components of ACA does not mean that they will vote for candidates who support the ACA nor will they support the ACA itself.

          After all the vast majority of people support the items in the liberal agenda while at the same time hating liberals, all they stand for, and the candidates who declare themselves as liberals.  

          You have to hand it to the Koch brothers for being able to create a cognitive dissonance that people can live with.

          •  I'll Respectfully Disagree That A "Vast Majority" (0+ / 0-)

            of Americans hate "liberals, all they stand for, and the candidates who declare themselves as liberal."

            If that were true there'd be no cognitive dissonance and Bernie Sanders, Elizabeth Warren, Sherrod Brown, Barbara Lee, Rosa DeLauro, Keith Ellison, and several other loud and proud liberals would not be serving in our government.

            •  The word has been demonized as a manipulation of (0+ / 0-)

              a long habit of not thinking a thing WRONG, gives it a superficial appearance of being RIGHT, and raises at first a formidable outcry in defense of custom.

              by Jamesleo on Thu Mar 13, 2014 at 04:36:33 PM PDT

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            •  We have voting majorities for Democrats (0+ / 0-)

              But they have gerrymanders of House seats. When those break, with the continuing demographic and generational shifts that have been running for decades, it's over for them.

              Goldwater and Nixon recruited segregationist Southern Democrats to the Republican Party. Reagan recruited Northern racists. Various Republicans recruited the Tea Parties, not to the Republican Party so much as to the Neo-Confederate cause of hating Yankee money men, the entire Federal government, Blacks, and anybody who cares about actual people.

              There is nobody left whom the ideologically pure are willing to recruit, no matter how much the national Republicans, the Chamber of Commerce, or the College Republicans beg and plead. Meanwhile the Party is split to the point of civil war among the Tea Parties (firmly allied with the Religious Right), the Chamber of Commerce/Wall Street/1%/Country Club Republicans, and the Libertarians, even with the considerable overlap among them.

              Back off, man. I'm a logician.—GOPBusters™

              by Mokurai on Thu Mar 13, 2014 at 09:43:32 PM PDT

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  •  I guess all the delays have worked! (0+ / 0-)

    The employer-sponsored plans that were supposed to die on Dec 31st were given another year if the employer renewed before the end of the year.  My employer did.. saved a 7% increase.

    Now, with the latest delays, these non-compliant plans are legal for another 3 years.  People would not have had such a rosy picture of ACA if that had happened.

  •  "Reality is that which, when you stop believing (1+ / 0-)
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    in it, doesn't go away."  Philip K. Dick

    The reality is the ACA is helping far more people than it's hurting.

    At some point, Republican scare stories will have failed to match reality and only people who don't deal with the real world will still accept them.

    Everyone else will move on.  It's like gays getting married.  When the horror stories that the marriage equality opponents have told would happen fail to materialize, the majority of the public shrugs its shoulders and wonders what the big deal was.

  •  Lies, damned lies, and statistics (0+ / 0-)

    These numbers are consistent across the board; the majority of Americans actually like the ACA.  That suggests several things to me.

    First, they distinguish between the ACA and "Obamacare", which is a Lynch Mob-created epithet that, regrettably, the ACA's supporters use themselves.

    Second, looking at the FL special election results, I really question how much Sink's loss is attributable to her support for the ACA.  Is it more related to the extent to which the ACA is generally referred to by the epithet and by the "big lie" tactic the Lynch Mob is using - constant repetition of outright lies.

    Third, also looking at turnout in that election, is the Dems' problem in this year really that too damned many of their base think we only have elections every four years in this country?

    Finally, is the Dems' problem also related to the fact that the Lynch Mob has a clear, defined enemy in the person of the President, while the Dems not only have failed to define the Lynch Mob as the enemy, they have failed to give their base ANYTHING to be enthusiastic about (scared, yes, enthusiastic, no).

    "The test of our progress is not whether we add to the abundance of those who have much. It is whether we provide enough to those who have little. " --Franklin D. Roosevelt

    by jg6544 on Thu Mar 13, 2014 at 12:55:05 PM PDT

  •  Obstruction Is All GOP Knows (1+ / 0-)
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    Stuck in my memory is John Dean's words at a Netroots Convention that at a national level republicans do not know how to lead.

    "Obama inherited so much Republican-strewn garbage, it makes my head spin to think about it." Bill in Portland, Maine

    by wild hair on Thu Mar 13, 2014 at 12:57:33 PM PDT

    •  They haven't known much of anything (0+ / 0-)

      since they adopted the Southern Strategy of Harry Dent Sr., Strom Thurmond's political strategist, as a way of turning Useful Idiots out in support of the 1%, the former Malefactors of Great Wealth and Economic Royalists.

      Well, for a time some of them knew how to recruit and enrage more Useful Idiots, like the Reagan Democrats and the Tea Parties, but the Tea Parties aren't that useful any more. Nothing else about them has changed, though, and now there is nobody left that the Tea Parties will allow them to recruit.

      Back off, man. I'm a logician.—GOPBusters™

      by Mokurai on Thu Mar 13, 2014 at 10:29:17 PM PDT

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  •  Interesting data from Bloomberg (3+ / 0-)
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    that Dem candidates in 2014 should pay attention to:

    Raising the minimum wage to =$10.10; Favor 69%, Oppose 28%

    Will your opinion about the minimum wage law affect your decisions about which candidates to vote for in the November 2014 elections for Congress? If yes, will it be a major or minor factor?

    Not a factor: 46%
    Yes, a major factor: 26%
    Minor factor: 23 %

    So, while a huge number would like to see the minimum wage increased, almost half are saying it won't affect their vote. Unbelievable.
    Health care law:

    Repeal: 34%
    Keep it and fix it: 51%
    Leave it alone: 13%

    2/3 of Americans want to keep the ACA.

    And, half say it would affect who they vote for:

    Yes, major factor: 52%
    Not a factor: 24%
    Minor factor: 20%

    So Dems should run on raising the minimum wage, but more importantly, they should make a full throated defense of the ACA, no shying away from it, no backing down.

    KOS: "Mocking partisans focusing on elections? Even less reason to be on Daily Kos."

    by fcvaguy on Thu Mar 13, 2014 at 12:59:47 PM PDT

    •  Most people, and especially, most people who (2+ / 0-)
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      vote regularly, don't make minimum wage. So raising the minimum wage is an abstract for them. They might be for it, but it's not going to impact them one way or the other, so it's a meh.

      But healthcare - they know that WILL impact them, and immediately. It's, as Biden would say, a BFD.

      They know the double digit increases are pretty much gone. That they don't pay as much for regular care. That they have limited out of pocket expenses every year.

      Those things have been incorporated into almost every employer provided plan. And people who get insurance through their employer KNOW that it changes all the time, and it's changed LESS the last few years. It also hasn't cost them a whole lot more unless their employer has changed the amount they contribute.

      Those are the people who want the law kept with changes. And you'd be surprised how many would go for single payer or even a totally govt system like NHS.

      Just ask them - would you be willing to pay a little more in taxes to NOT have to deal with insurance companies, NOT have to ever pay premiums, and to know that you'd never, ever, EVER lose your health coverage, no matter what?

      Put it like that, and almost everybody says yes.

  •  Pushback is from insurance agents. (0+ / 0-)

    I had a meeting last week with my insurance agent that sells us our healthcare insurance. Of course he is blathering on about "Obamacare" and how it is responsible for the rise in premiums. I told him that the ACA has nothing to do with rising premiums as I remember as far back as 2000-2002 having my company's healthcare costs rise 40% per year and that was way before the ACA. After a long time of back and forth between his RW talking points and my swatting them down he admitted that one of the results of the ACA is that healthcare insurance will cease to be sold by a licensed insurance broker. Part of the agreement in the ACA is that insurance agent's will be essentially squeezed out of selling in order to save the commission costs. He told me that when he first started selling health insurance the commissions paid were 10% and now they are lucky if they get 1%. He also made the statement that he feels that the government is allowing insurance companies to make health insurance so expensive so that the voters will eventually accept a single payer system.

    •  Good conspiracy thinking (0+ / 0-)

      In fact the ACA caps administrative expenses and requires that 80% (someimes 85%) of premiums be paid out in benefits. Policyholders got billions of dollars in refunds the first year that was in effect. So in fact insurance companies are prohibited from arbitrarily raising rates.

      Medical Loss Ratio

      Many insurance companies spend a substantial portion of consumers’ premium dollars on administrative costs and profits, including executive salaries, overhead, and marketing.

      The Affordable Care Act requires health insurance issuers to submit data on the proportion of premium revenues spent on clinical services and quality improvement, also known as the Medical Loss Ratio (MLR). It also requires them to issue rebates to enrollees if this percentage does not meet minimum standards. MLR requires insurance companies to spend at least 80% or 85% of premium dollars on medical care, with the review provisions imposing tighter limits on health insurance rate increases. If they fail to meet these standards, the insurance companies will be required to provide a rebate to their customers starting in 2012.

      Back off, man. I'm a logician.—GOPBusters™

      by Mokurai on Thu Mar 13, 2014 at 10:36:32 PM PDT

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  •  the GOP - 50 times - certain they are saying NO (0+ / 0-)

    have tried to repeal Obamacare 50 times for another reason and that reason is public perception....

    the public knows FOR CERTAIN what the GOP want ( if they are elected to office)

    and when people/public  feeling insecure and uncertain that's all they need to elect GOP to office

    and the dumb dumb democrats/DNC ( and I really admire Debbie Wasserman-Schultz) let their caucus screw around and NOT STAND FOR ANYTHING message... equivocate... some for austerity some not, some for higher miniumum wage some not, some for cuts to social security some not....

    STUPID.....

    what the hell do Democrats stand for...

    that's how you lose votes from INDEPENDENTS

    that's how you lose votes no matter what the political registration of person is....

    the DEMOCRATS don't send message constantly and loudly like the obnoxious obstructions GOPS/TEA/LIBERTARIAN/NEOCONS do

    the GOP appeal to people who are insecure/anxious/uncertain... because they/public know what GOP-CO stand for and that is NO NO NO ( the two year old mental developmental phase standard)

    emotional intelligence is reduced when people are scared, confused, anxious...... and they vote GOP

    What is un-American is when shadow billionaires pour unlimited money into our democracy to rig the system and benefit themselves and the wealthiest 1 %. ~ Senator Harry Reid

    by anyname on Thu Mar 13, 2014 at 01:15:38 PM PDT

    •  Bush 2004 (0+ / 0-)
      You may not agree with me, but you know where I stand.
      Kerry ran a lousy campaign, and came close to winning anyway. We cheered when he got caught on an open mike saying
      I've never dealt with such a bunch of liars in my life.
      and then he never said boo to them again.

      Back off, man. I'm a logician.—GOPBusters™

      by Mokurai on Thu Mar 13, 2014 at 10:39:10 PM PDT

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  •  What does the rest of the World do? (1+ / 0-)
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       Germany has had National Healthcare (and retirement) since 1883. When will they learn?

  •  Full steam ahead then. If a majority of people (1+ / 0-)
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    like the ACA and say it is a major factor in their vote then this should be the central theme, run on full implementation of the ACA.  Stop delaying everything, stop saying we need "to fix" every part of it, stop moaning about every wrinkle, and run on it. Tell the people we stand behind it and sense they now like it and want to see it do more...say we will do that as well.  Maybe single payer is not so far off as we think.  

  •  That seems like a good thing, without regard for (0+ / 0-)

    the effect on elections.

    People have had a chance to deal with it up close and personal. They've either had smooth sailing like many have or choppy seas like we have, but their opinions are now informed by experience, and...

    as a nation, we ain't hating it.

    Oh -- we might be frustrated as hell at things, amazed at some of the difficulties, but...in the end, those fade from memory.  If we end up with health insurance at a price we can afford and know that our old relations (that would be me) and friends/family with health problems can do the same?

    That ain't bad. That ain't bad at all.

    LG: You know what? You got spunk. MR: Well, Yes... LG: I hate spunk!

    by dinotrac on Thu Mar 13, 2014 at 01:41:31 PM PDT

  •  bad idea to attack rollout (0+ / 0-)

    When the GOP attacked the slower than desired rollout, they were simply lowering the bar for success.  

    It was stupid, and it was really a signal of their desperation.  I can't imagine they would have done that if they were on the upswing.  

    Everybody involved knows that websites routinely get launched badly, and they also know that everyone else knows that.  

    There is tolerance for that, and it is only a temporary attack.  It is simply inevitable that the website would behave better, and the administration looks like they solved the problems.  After all, the GOP was just angry at how slow it was running.  

    You can hear them talkinng at the water cooler, "Well, it seems like they got that obamacare website goin' now."

    Streichholzschächtelchen

    by otto on Thu Mar 13, 2014 at 02:31:14 PM PDT

  •  as everyone knows (0+ / 0-)

    remodeling is more difficult than building from scratch.  obamacare is getting traction but it is more like remodeling than building from scratch.  of course we have something that is working well, medicare, but too many people have their hands in the pot and could care less about our well being.  medicare is very efficient and if it wasn't for the fraud from the same people that have their hands in the cookie jar, it would serve us even better.  if obamacare isn't working as well as some people would like, it is because of the meddling of special interests. if we want universal health care, we will have to push for it on the state level.  that is the way medicare came to be but only because profit has always ruled over the right to be well and productive-this in a country which believes in equality?

  •  If there is so much support... (0+ / 0-)

    Why are several elements of the law being delayed?  Why have more people, have lost their coverage due to the fact that it didn't meet ACA standards, than have actually signed up for it?  And how many people, (Pelosi couldn't answer the question) have actually paid so far.  Serious questions that hopefully some here can answer.  

    I would just like to point out that the urgency for passing the ACA was to save lives, (I thought anyway).  Instead, more and more parts of it are being delayed, yet it was critical we shut down national monuments, WWII honor flights, etc. because the government shut down for a few days back in October rather than agree to delay any portion of the ACA.

    •  The squeaky wheel got greased (0+ / 0-)

      Obama got caught in a campaign promise.

      If you like your policy, you can keep it.
      So people who think they like garbage insurance can mostly keep it for another year.

      As for how many have paid, you must consult our estimable brainwrap's data.

      ACASignups.net Paid vs. Unpaid

      Most states do not break out these numbers. For those that do, the result is 79% paid, with a range from 58% to 91%. Some of the unpaid policies are legitimate, for coverage that does not begin for some time, or for payments lost in overburdened insurance company processing systems. We expect much better data some time in April, after Open Enrollment ends, what a lot of states and companies will start to catch up.

      Back off, man. I'm a logician.—GOPBusters™

      by Mokurai on Thu Mar 13, 2014 at 10:48:44 PM PDT

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  •  Come November (0+ / 0-)

    When we win back the House and extend our hold on the Senate anything we want to pass will be done so the GOP can cry all they want until the cows come home.  In 7 months their dying party will be dead and forgotten bout.  

    •  So, you would be comfortable (0+ / 0-)

      With a one party system?  Heck, even this conservative (me) wouldn't want such a thing!!

      •  You can check what happened (0+ / 0-)

        in the Era of Good Feelings, after the implosion of the Federalists, the original Party of No in opposition to Jefferson. It was 18 years from then until the rise of the Whigs in 1833.

        Naturally, since nobody really understood government or economics, and slavery was festering as before and after, a lot went wrong. But not mainly because of one-party government, as far as I can tell.

        Jackson destroying the Bank of the United States and giving state banks an essentially unlimited right to print money was, I think, the worst of the financial disasters of the period. But competition among financial disasters was fierce, as it always has been outside of the New Deal era.

        The single-party rule of Segregationist Democrats in the South in the Jim Crow era is another story.

        Back off, man. I'm a logician.—GOPBusters™

        by Mokurai on Thu Mar 13, 2014 at 10:56:04 PM PDT

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  •  Damnit, you timid Dems. Defend that law ! (0+ / 0-)

    This made my day. I hope it brightens yours too. The Repugnantcans are planning to use anti-Obamacare themes as their main attack this upcoming November election. I think the tactic will backfire. It could, ........ as long as Democrats do what they SHOULD have done all along these past few years. Get out there on TV and radio and defend the law. Relentlessly and vigorously !

    "Love Is Why We're Here"

    by Paniolo Joe on Sat Mar 15, 2014 at 07:32:24 PM PDT

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