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Peter Wagner and Leah Sakala at the Prison Policy Initiative write Mass Incarceration: The Whole Pie:

Wait, does the United States have 1.4 million or more than 2 million people in prison? And do the 688,000 people released every year include those getting out of local jails? Frustrating questions like these abound because our systems of federal, state, local, and other types of confinement — and the data collectors that keep track of them — are so fragmented. There is a lot of interesting and valuable research out there, but definitional issues and incompatibilities make it hard to get the big picture for both people new to criminal justice and for experienced policy wonks.

On the other hand, piecing together the available information offers some clarity. This briefing presents the first graphic we’re aware of that aggregates the disparate systems of confinement in this country, which hold more than 2.4 million people in 1,719 state prisons, 102 federal prisons, 2,259 juvenile correctional facilities, 3,283 local jails, and 79 Indian Country jails as well as in military prisons, immigration detention facilities, civil commitment centers, and prisons in the U.S. territories.

criminal justice, prison
While the numbers in each slice of this pie chart represent a snapshot cross section of our correctional system, the enormous churn in and out of our confinement facilities underscores how naive it is to conceive of prisons as separate from the rest of our society. In addition to the 688,000 people released from prisons each year, almost 12 million people cycle through local jails each year. Jail churn is particularly high because at any given moment most of the 722,000 people in local jails have not been convicted and are in jail because they are either too poor to make bail and are being held before trial, or because they’ve just been arrested and will make bail in the next few hours or days. The remainder of the people in jail—almost 300,000—are serving time for minor offenses, generally misdemeanors with sentences under a year.

Blast from the Past. At Daily Kos on this date in 2009The U.S. Tortured. Now what?
:

We knew, even before the convening authority of military commissions at Guantanamo, Susan Crawford, said it was torture, that it was torture. Systematic. Presidentially approved. Torture.

But now, as Meteor Blades, buhdydharma and valtin have pointed out on these pages, it's official. The ICRC report makes it so.

Article 3 common to the four Geneva Conventions also gives the ICRC the right to request access to persons detained in non-international armed conflicts. Under the statutes of the International Red Cross and Red Crescent Movement, the ICRC can also request access to persons detained in connection with situations of violence that fall below the threshold of armed conflict. These statutes were approved in 1986 by the International Conference of the Red Cross, of which all States party to the Geneva Conventions, including the United States, are members.
When the ICRC, acting its capacity as the arbiter of Article 3 of the Geneva Conventions, says it's torture, it's torture.

Which brings us back to the explosive story Mark Danner brought us this week, when he obtained a leaked copy of that report. The obscene and nauseating details of what was done to human beings in the name of "justice" has been detailed elsewhere. I want to focus on Danner's conclusions.[...]


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On today's Kagro in the Morning show: Yet. Another. Snow day. Greg Dworkin joins us in coming back from a weekend of Crimean voting and Malaysian plane searching to discuss the 2014 Senate outlook, perceptions of the economy and the healthcare system, and the Republican 2016 field. Forbes column says Obamacare is working & its opponents are wrong. Fun! In gun news: that anti-texting FL movie theater shooter was texting in the theater just minutes earlier! Counter to some popular talking points, accidental shootings are on the rise in WA. Weekend open carry protests in TX & AR go off safely, all participants being required to empty their weapons. Lastly, wage theft at Amazon.


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Originally posted to Daily Kos on Mon Mar 17, 2014 at 08:30 PM PDT.

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  •  1,003,798 registered users on dKos now. (22+ / 0-)

    Here are the 10 newest registered users on dKos.  Hope to see their comments and diaries here soon!  (If they're not spammers.)

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    We've added 223 more users in the last 24 hours.  There's definitely been a recent increase in spammers in the last couple days.


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  •  If You Missed it (21+ / 0-)

    ... here's my diary from last evening - Down and Out in Richmond, Kentucky: One of Our Own Desperately Needs a Helping Hand.

    I hope you enjoy reading it - particularly the discussion of two books by F. Scott Fitzgerald and George Orwell.  As we are getting very close to reaching our fundraising goal, please make a contribution if you can.  We just need a bit more push.  Thanks.

    Here's an excerpt:

    Prior to the great financial collapse of 2008, most Americans felt that if they played by the rules, diligently paid their taxes, and engaged in good citizenry that they, too, would get a fair share of the national economic pie while faring better than previous generations.  For the past almost six years, however, this economic downturn and sluggishness has ruined countless lives.  Because of systemic - rather than personal - failures, millions have lost their jobs, houses, businesses, and other sources of income.  Family ties have been weakened or, at the very least, severely strained in one way, shape, or form.  Hope has been replaced by despondency and despair.  Fear of the unknown has been widespread and an uncertain future awaits the unemployed and underemployed with millions discouraged and dropping out of the job market.  Let's not forget them.  

    In the 1920s when Fitzgerald brilliantly captured an important moment in time in this country's history, there was virtually no social safety net for the poor.  Even in this day and age, governments will only do so much for the needy amongst us.  Yet, in their darkest hours, Americans have always retained some sense of optimism and extended others a helping hand.  Economic conditions will, our political leaders tell us, improve over time, but we are not there yet.  Until the dawn of that day when economic misery gives way to prosperity and human suffering is significantly diminished, we must, to the extent possible, take care of our own.

    Please Help tonyahky - A Riddle Wrapped in a Mystery Inside an Enigma

    by JekyllnHyde on Mon Mar 17, 2014 at 08:30:52 PM PDT

    •  Any alternative to GoFundMe available? (1+ / 0-)
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      JekyllnHyde

      I just hate to pay their fees -- makes me crazy.

      The good we secure for ourselves is precarious and uncertain, is floating in mid-air, until it is secured for all of us and incorporated into our common life. Jane Addams

      by Alice Olson on Tue Mar 18, 2014 at 06:51:56 AM PDT

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  •  The land of the free (19+ / 0-)

    and the home of the jailed. Next time some Tea bag smoking idiot yammers at me about freedumbs, I will remember these numbers.

    Rick Perry - the greatest scientist since Galileo!

    by Bobs Telecaster on Mon Mar 17, 2014 at 08:33:17 PM PDT

  •  Mystery solved! (5+ / 0-)

    :)

    Courtney Love Thinks She Found Flight 370:

    http://gawker.com/...

    “I would like to get rid of the homophobes, sexists, and racists in our audience. I know they're out there and it really bothers me.” ― Kurt Cobain

    by Jeff Y on Mon Mar 17, 2014 at 08:38:01 PM PDT

  •  Is it known if there was anyone or anything (2+ / 0-)
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    of great value on that missing flight that could have prompted a hijack scheme by what amounts to high-tech criminals a la the Ocean's X series? E.g. a shipment of diamonds or gold or sophisticated technology, or maybe a billionaire or scientist or engineer with unique skills of use to someone? This has the markings of at least an attempted hijacking, not a terrorist attack.

    "Reagan's dead, and he was a lousy president" -- Keith Olbermann 4/22/09

    by kovie on Mon Mar 17, 2014 at 08:39:03 PM PDT

  •  That pie chart is hugely helpful. (7+ / 0-)

    I'm not quite sure what to make of the whole scheme they used (why, for example, rape and other sexual assaults are bundled into the "other" category) and what the relative numbers really mean.
    Except, of course, the number of drug-related prisoners is really large, and that it's similarly distressing that about 20% of the juvi inmates are there solely for status and technical offenses.

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    by peregrine kate on Mon Mar 17, 2014 at 08:42:12 PM PDT

    •  A technical violation refers to the failure (5+ / 0-)

      to abide by the conditions of supervised release/a treatment program.  That is, you would otherwise be in jail, but the court allows you to avoid incarceration by undergoing treatment or agreeing to XYZ conditions.  A technical violation means you failed to abide by that condition—so jail seems appropriate in that case—you're only out because you were supposed to do X, and you've failed to do that.  I do agree with you about the status offenses though.  

  •  Spent 5 months in jail.... (8+ / 0-)

    Non violent, no accident, no injury or damage......2 DUIs in 48 hours will do that.  Took responsibility, sold my car, don't drive anymore.

  •  MSNBC: missing airliner & Russia (4+ / 0-)

    The biggest news tonight was, of course, the latest mystery surrounding the missing Malaysian airliner, and the Russia/Ukraine situation.  Chris talked about the missing airliner with Kerry Sanders, Clive Irving, and Don Borelli, and then had on three airline pilots — Ross Aimer, Latane Campbell, and Karen Pellicore — to discuss what pilots can and cannot actually do.

    Rachel talked with the partner of one of the missing Americans, Sarah Bajc.

    Ari Melber, filling in for Lawrence, talked with Greg Feith, Anthony Roman, and Jim Cavanaugh.

    Ed talked with Tom Bunn and Scott Hamilton.

    Meanwhile, on Russia, Chris talked with Sen. Chris Murphy (D-CT), Rachel talked with former Ambassador Michael McFaul, and Ari talked with Adrian Karatnycky and Steve Clemons.

    Chris also talked with Dr. Joycelyn Elders about how the NRA may be about to kill the nomination of Obama's Surgeon General nominee, because he wants to reduce gun violence.  He then looked at some of Rupert Murdoch's tweets.

    Rachel also had a brief update on Bridgegate, and looked at the latest pollution scandal involving Duke Energy in North Carolina.

    Ari talked about Obamacare hitting 5 million enrollements with Dr. Zeke Emanuel, and talked about a new sobering study about sex trafficking in the U.S. with Vednita Carter.

    Ed aired Part 1 of his American Steel series, looking at steelworkers in Lorain, Ohio, and talked with Rep. Chris Van Hollen (D-MD) about Obamacare and what the GOP is planning to do for 2014.  He talked about some companies boycotting the St. Patrick's Day parade because of the organizers' homophobia with Mike Rogers.

  •  USian people produce more criminals (6+ / 0-)

    …per capita than any other nation on earth.

    Why is that?

    •  I'd argue it's a combination of two major factors: (11+ / 0-)

      1) we criminalize stuff, like drugs and prostitution, that most countries don't run through their jails anymore.  And generally our religions lead us to make prison more frequently used and terms in prison longer than in other countries.

      2) we still have major unresolved problems around race and class that produce circumstances which make it less likely for a segment of our population to have an equal chance to succeed.  This is being exacerbated by the overall economic downtrend for all Americans except the very wealthy.

      Less important, but still significant, is a culture of violence and the ready access to guns which makes it easier for people to use a weapon on the spur of the moment.

    •  Prosperity causes crime. (1+ / 0-)
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      annieli

      The free market is not the solution, the free market is the problem.

      by Azazello on Mon Mar 17, 2014 at 09:04:08 PM PDT

      [ Parent ]

    •  like everything else we have industrialized jails (3+ / 0-)
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      Warning - some snark may be above‽ (-9.50; -7.03)‽ eState4Column5©2013 "I’m not the strapping young Muslim socialist that I used to be" - Barack Obama 04/27/2013 (@eState4Column5).

      by annieli on Mon Mar 17, 2014 at 09:36:14 PM PDT

      [ Parent ]

      •  commoditized "crime prevention" as the.. (4+ / 0-)

        .."conservative" movement party is pushing to commoditize education/everything for profit.

        I can remember years ago when half the "conservative" maxim was that the motive for profit was the surest means of achieving the highest quality. If the product was of lousy quality it didn't sell (*or the business discriminated against AA's eg.) and you'd go out of business

        The RWNJ's have since all but abandoned that BS (except for *Rand Paul and the religious nut jobs regarding civil rights & the 14th amendment when it comes to private businesses "right" to discriminate) because it is a ridiculous belief, provably false, not that falseness bothered the RWNJs, but "freedom" sold more tickets to the party

        Now it's "freedom" as their trademark which works much better with the other half of their maxim: "the market has spoken"

        So the profit argument is almost complete bullshit, not always, but in certain areas it most definitely is harmful; like Health Care, Education, Dept. of Corrections and many other areas the profit incentives work backwards making things worse; unless worse makes more profit = the foundation of the GOP platform

        Thx MB

    •  Pluto (6+ / 0-)

      Just a few days ago,I was watching a program that stated that while the population in the US increased by 38%, the number of people incarcerated increased by 712% in the same time period.
      I didn`t get the time frame but I seem to remember that it was from 1980 to the present.
      I was freaking at the numbers.

      I`m already against the next war.

      by Knucklehead on Mon Mar 17, 2014 at 10:43:16 PM PDT

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  •  Many of those jailed are in there because they (17+ / 0-)

    got their drivers licenses suspended for inability to pay court costs and fines on petty offenses and needed to go to work but get stopped for a traffic infraction. Drivers license suspensions, court costs, and fines are devastating to the poor. A few hundred dollars to a poor person who struggles to find work is a huge amount. Suspensions related to missed child support payments are also counterproductive and unfair to the working poor. Add to that minor marijuana offenses and you begin to have a picture of the stupid oppression that is the misdemeanor system jailing a large segment of the working poor.

    garden variety democratic socialist: accepting life's complexity|striving for global stewardship of our soil and other resources to meet everyone's basic needs|being a friend to the weak

    by Galtisalie on Mon Mar 17, 2014 at 08:51:34 PM PDT

    •  Not to mention (5+ / 0-)

      The fact that many of our prisons and jails have become privatized or in other words, profit centers for the unscrupulous to make a fortune off of the poor decisions of others. Some of these companies are publicly traded, such as Is there any oversight into the Corrections Corporation of America. Is there any oversight as to which judges, police officers, and politicians own stock in these companies? After all, the rising amount of prisoners means more money for the corporation and a higher stock valuation...

      •  The oversight would vary from state to state. (0+ / 0-)

        Ethics laws set by state legislatures are notoriously weak. But even if there is no direct monetary conflict of interest by stock participation of judges and law enforcement officials, legislators and governors are pretty much walking examples of legalized bribery known as campaign donations, plus with Citizens United whatever remains of the independence of our democracy from the corporations, hedge funds, and the super rich and their mercenaries who control them, is hanging by a thin thread.

        To give another example along the lines you gave, probation services are sometimes now privatized, putting an incentive on probation companies and the personnel they employ to be more collection agencies than counselors.

        Even the so-called "right to an attorney if you cannot afford one" is pretty much bogus these days, because the public defenders themselves are forced by state law to recover money from the poor money that they cannot afford. In general, the judicial branch, including the "officers of the court," have been forced by legislatures to scramble for funds through court costs, which are mandated by the legislatures, and fines are often fixed too by the legislatures. So even though many of the judges and other personnel try to do their best, they are forced to be part of a grossly repressive system that targets the poor for economically disproportionate and harsh treatment.

        garden variety democratic socialist: accepting life's complexity|striving for global stewardship of our soil and other resources to meet everyone's basic needs|being a friend to the weak

        by Galtisalie on Tue Mar 18, 2014 at 02:58:10 AM PDT

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  •  Good thing we are spreading freedom and democracy (3+ / 0-)

    in a bankrupt Ukraine located 4500 miles away.

    Or are we spreading something else?

  •  Sniff. Smells like bullshit. (1+ / 0-)
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    nt

  •  Oh, the irony of banning Fahrenheit 451 (12+ / 0-)

    $5 says this moron has never read it but a conservative blog he read once said it was a menace to society.

    Out of what asscrack do Republicans find these turds?

    If this is their "Farm Team" is it any wonder why Republicans can't find any credible candidates to run for POTUS (head shaking from side to side).

    GOP Congressional Hopeful Praises Joe McCarthy, Vows to Ban More Books:

    A conservative Alabama state senator who may attempt a jump up to Congress used a newspaper interview this weekend to hail McCarthyism and assail a bevy of popular books and authors that he thinks are too subversive to teach to children.

    Scott Beason has kept himself busy in recent years backing draconian anti-immigrant measures and a law that forces employers to let workers keep guns in their cars at the office. But now, buttressed by Tea Partiers and local GOP leaders, he's declaring war on Toni Morrison, Tim O'Brien, Arthur Miller, and even Southern icons Harper Lee and William Faulkner.

    In a new interview with the Anniston Star, he showed a reporter his copy of a literature anthology approved for use in the state's schools under its Common Core standards. He'd used sticky notes to flag all the content he and his Tea Party ilk found objectionable.

    Beason is apparently supported in his efforts by local GOP leaders. The website for the Talladega Republican Party lists dirty works it thinks inappropriate for Alabama's schoolchildren because of their smutty content. That list includes To Kill a Mockingbird, Fahrenheit 451, The Grapes of Wrath, and As I Lay Dying, according to the Anniston Star.

    http://gawker.com/...

    “I would like to get rid of the homophobes, sexists, and racists in our audience. I know they're out there and it really bothers me.” ― Kurt Cobain

    by Jeff Y on Mon Mar 17, 2014 at 08:53:38 PM PDT

  •  Re: Blast from the Past (2+ / 0-)
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    JeffW, TheMomCat

    Hmm...

    How many of those people still bother posting here?

    Well, you.

  •  The latest in Ron Paul fan nuttery (5+ / 0-)
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    Jeff Y, annieli, eeff, Luv2luvU, wilywascal

    So these people are spreading around this video claiming that the situation in Ukraine is actually all the United States' fault for starting the crisis.  Putin is simply an innocent victim here, don't you get it?

    They're also trumpeting anti-vax bullshit by citing what one doctor has to say.  Because even some Ron Paul folks were like, WTF, he also claimed:

    All of the illnesses that vaccines were said to have cured were naturally declining themselves anyway.
    Yeah... just like slavery was naturally declining, right?

    Oh, and my other friend who's dating Adam Kokesh posted this video that's gone somewhat viral, where she burns her last "bridge" with Obama.

    And of course, these people think Andrew Napolitano actually WON the argument with Jon Stewart over Lincoln and slavery!  Lew Rockwell, the Ron Paul advisor who many think was the one who actually wrote those incredibly racist newsletters, had this Thomas DiLorenzo character say:

    Not surprisingly, Jon Stewart ambushed Judge Napolitano last night on his “Daily Show” during the discussion on Lincoln by springing on him a game show format with THREE academic Lincoln cultists (and a black female with a Lincoln beard) to argue with him.  It has been my experience over the past dozen years that such people are, without any exceptions that I know of, liars.

    ....

    LIE #2:  The Judge also pointed out that Lincoln sent federal marshals to apprehend runaway slaves and return them to their owners in the South.  The panel of liars chanted in unison, “It’s not true.”  Well, yes it is true.  The best scholarship on the issue of the Fugitive Slave Act of 1850, which Lincoln very strongly supported in his first inaugural address, is Stanley Campbell, The Slave Catchers (University of North Carolina Press, 1972/2011).  Campbell writes that “The Fugitive Slave Law remained in force and was executed by federal marshals” all during the Lincoln regime, just as Judge Napolitano said.

    Campbell also writes this:  “In May, 1862, the Superior Court of the District of Columbia ruled that the Fugitive Slave Law was applicable to the District of Columbia as it was to any of the states.  The docket of the court for 1862 listed the claims of twenty-eight different slave owners for 101 runaway slaves.  In the two months following the court’s decision, 26 fugitive slaves were returned to their owners from the fugitive slave tribunal in the nation’s capital.”

    Once again, Judge Napolitano was absolutely correct and Stewart, the “bearded” black woman, Eric Foner, and the other two Lincoln cultists were lying.

    Yeah, Ron Paul fans HATE historian Eric Foner.

    Anyway, my Ron Paul friend actually got elected this past weekend to the Republican Liberty Caucus of California's Board of Directors.  They're slowly taking over the GOP, at least here in California.

    While you may laugh at them, I'm not.  Rand Paul's influence with gun nuts, as Chris Hayes showed tonight, is about to destroy Obama's Surgeon General nominee, because he dared to say we need to reduce gun violence in this country.  His stance on fucking over people on unemployment benefits has now HAPPENED in this country.  Their side is fucking WINNING.  And America is losing.

    So yeah, I'm gonna keep warning y'all about their latest conspiracies, because that will soon be the official GOP talking point, and we NEED to able to counter it to the majority of Americans who aren't paying attention and may be fooled by them.

    •  cough, bullshit, cough (4+ / 0-)
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      JeffW, Ender, Aunt Pat, BruinKid

      If the Paul-cult had actually bothered to watch the show, they would have known that Napolitano was given the questions ahead of time. (not that it helped him any, he still sounded like the know-nothing buffoon that he is).

      Not surprisingly, Jon Stewart ambushed Judge Napolitano last night on his “Daily Show” .

      “I would like to get rid of the homophobes, sexists, and racists in our audience. I know they're out there and it really bothers me.” ― Kurt Cobain

      by Jeff Y on Mon Mar 17, 2014 at 09:13:39 PM PDT

      [ Parent ]

    •  Dr. Kid, you need to stop giving them any (1+ / 0-)
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      JeffW

      credence.... for example this is low-hanging fruit as all issues with the Surgeon General have been

      While you may laugh at them, I'm not.  Rand Paul's influence with gun nuts, as Chris Hayes showed tonight, is about to destroy Obama's Surgeon General nominee, because he dared to say we need to reduce gun violence in this country.

      Warning - some snark may be above‽ (-9.50; -7.03)‽ eState4Column5©2013 "I’m not the strapping young Muslim socialist that I used to be" - Barack Obama 04/27/2013 (@eState4Column5).

      by annieli on Mon Mar 17, 2014 at 09:39:35 PM PDT

      [ Parent ]

    •  Yes --did you see right wingnut Bill Maher (0+ / 0-)

      actually speaking favorably of Ron Paul and his son the other night?

      https://www.youtube.com/...

      •  Well, one thing you can say (0+ / 0-)

        for Ron Paul is there would be a lot fewer people in jail if some of his ideas were implemented.

        On social issues I have become more and more libertarian as the Democrats have a lot of ideas that would throw innocent people in prison too - different reasons than Asscroft and his ilk, but the same result.

    •  I don't know (0+ / 0-)

      I don't know about the other stuff, but I kind of agree with Carey's view point on Obama. It's not enough to make me a Republican fan boy, but quite a bit of Obama's policies are very unsettling to me.

      •  Yeah, it's possible to agree on some things (0+ / 0-)

        but her ideology is kind of contradictory and muddled.

        For example, she pushes RKBA, but claims to be all about promoting peace and love. Aside from that incongruence is the fact that the majority are looking for common sense regulations, not repeal.

        Her boyfriend is a big libertarian, but they align themselves with conservatives, which is incongruent with the equality, peace and love message she espouses. And she seems to decry all government as evil, ignoring the force it can be for good.

        I didn't agree with what they did to her boyfriend, Adam Kokesh, when they raided his house; it exemplifies the police state we are turning into, but I can't go along with their wacky political philosophy, which isn't very well thought out.

    •  Facebook link no longer available. (0+ / 0-)
      And of course, these people think Andrew Napolitano actually WON
      Not to hard to figure out why that might be.
  •  Torture. Still covering it up (2+ / 0-)
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    The CIA and the intelligence agencies have been allowed to run amok until OMG they spied on the DiFi. Never continued abuse of the prisoners at Guantanamo, targeted assassinations,  and the continued secret rendition to CIA black sites in Africa and other foreign countries allied who allow "enhanced interrogation" methods.

    But poor Di, the CIA spied on her committee investigators to continue the cover up enable by Obama.

     


    "Information is power. But like all power there are those who want to keep it for themselves" Aaron Swartz, 1986 - 2013
    TheStarsHollowGazette.com

    by TheMomCat on Mon Mar 17, 2014 at 09:09:07 PM PDT

  •  Cosmos Night on Nat Geo High Def (3+ / 0-)

    Enjoyed much of it earlier but missed some bits for upgrading my prehistoric XP desktop with a SATA drive controller. Just catching the midnight ET repeat as I wait for the full format to finish.

    The 2 of us think the show is very well done. Since most of known science has been discovered since we left school, there's a lot to catch up on.

    --Not only that, but before this morning, we thought inflation was trivial.

    We are called to speak for the weak, for the voiceless, for victims of our nation and for those it calls enemy.... --ML King "Beyond Vietnam"

    by Gooserock on Mon Mar 17, 2014 at 09:09:23 PM PDT

  •  So is it just me, or does anybody else here think (3+ / 0-)
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    JeffW, Jeff Y, Simplify

    that when she's got her back turned to you, and she's nearly naked from the waist up, and she's unhooking her black bra ... maybe you've gone a little bit past the "flirting" stage.

    To put the torture behind us is, inevitably, to put it in front of us.

    by UntimelyRippd on Mon Mar 17, 2014 at 09:18:13 PM PDT

  •  American Gulag System (5+ / 0-)

    One of the most popular unemployment programs in this country is prison. Fortune 500 companies employ more than a million prisoners in this country at about one dollar a day.
    The great thing is that big banks like Wells Fargo invest in private prison companies, that then hire out the labor of the prisoners at very competitive rates to companies that Wells Fargo invests in. Who says that innovation is dead in this country? American prison labor can compete with the labor anywhere in the world!
    http://www.tomdispatch.com/...
    For profit prisons by definition are a slippery slope. If people are profiting from a dysfunctional society, where is the incentive to fix it? There is none. In fact the incentive will be to have it even more dysfunctional. It can only lead to an ever-increasing downward spiral.

    You Don't Happen To Make It. You Make It Happen !

    by jeffrey789 on Mon Mar 17, 2014 at 09:21:18 PM PDT

  •  Why (3+ / 0-)

    "If Wall Street paid a tax on every “game” they run, we would get enough revenue to run the government on." ~ Will Rogers

    by Lefty Coaster on Mon Mar 17, 2014 at 09:25:19 PM PDT

  •  Kids for cash scandal (7+ / 0-)

    The "kids for cash" scandal unfolded in 2008 over judicial kickbacks at the Luzerne County Court of Common Pleas in Wilkes-Barre, Pennsylvania. Two judges, President Judge Mark Ciavarella and Senior Judge Michael Conahan, were accused of accepting money from Robert Mericle, builder of two private, for-profit juvenile facilities, in return for contracting with the facilities and imposing harsh sentences on juveniles brought before their courts to increase the number of inmates in the detention centers.
    For example, Ciavarella sentenced children to extended stays in juvenile detention for offenses as minimal as mocking a principal on Myspace, trespassing in a vacant building, and shoplifting DVDs from Wal-mart

    http://en.wikipedia.org/...

    It always comes down to money not rehabilitation.

    You Don't Happen To Make It. You Make It Happen !

    by jeffrey789 on Mon Mar 17, 2014 at 09:28:56 PM PDT

  •  now what? (3+ / 0-)

    never mind...

    The cold passion for truth hunts in no pack. -Robinson Jeffers

    by Laurence Lewis on Mon Mar 17, 2014 at 09:51:12 PM PDT

  •  Odd that there has been no release of data from (2+ / 0-)
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    earlier pings of the missing aircraft.

    We only know about the last ping. The aircraft was pinged once an hour.

    I think that I could calculate the plane's heading if I had the missing data.

    I've seen things you people wouldn't believe. Attack ships on fire off the shoulder of Orion. I watched c-beams glitter in the dark near the Tannhäuser Gate.

    by Ender on Mon Mar 17, 2014 at 09:52:44 PM PDT

    •  Or that gap in the arc (1+ / 0-)
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      from the last ping—haven't see that explained anywhere. Is that because it's Malaysia's radar coverage, so they've ruled it out?  I don't believe anything Malaysia's government says.

      Government and laws are the agreement we all make to secure everyone's freedom.

      by Simplify on Mon Mar 17, 2014 at 11:57:06 PM PDT

      [ Parent ]

      •  We had a big argument about that (1+ / 0-)
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        in the Wikipedia comments.

        The gap is there because another satellite can also see the same real estate. They got no signal from the other satellite, so they conclude that the plane is not there.

        I've seen things you people wouldn't believe. Attack ships on fire off the shoulder of Orion. I watched c-beams glitter in the dark near the Tannhäuser Gate.

        by Ender on Tue Mar 18, 2014 at 01:27:47 AM PDT

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        •  Aha, thanks (1+ / 0-)
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          That makes total sense, especially given that the gap is approximately equatorial, corresponding to the position of the next satellite to the east (see the map on page 3 of this Inmarsat PDF).

          Government and laws are the agreement we all make to secure everyone's freedom.

          by Simplify on Tue Mar 18, 2014 at 01:49:27 AM PDT

          [ Parent ]

  •  the connection to votes (2+ / 0-)
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    i heard a radio TED talk yesterday about
    1. how many people the US incarcerates
    2. In how many states ex-prisoners permanently lose voting rights.
    3. because  the incarceration rate is higher with regard to income, as well as racial factors, this results in a substantive % of some communities who can.not . vote...35% was the figure named...

    the connection has never hit me smack in the face before

    huge imprisoned populations translates into loss of the right to vote ..and the % is big enough to matter , not only individually, but statistically.

    will try to find the link

  •  "We Need to talk about an Injustice" (4+ / 0-)

    TED talk by Lawyer Bryan Stevenson : founder and executive director of the, an Alabama-based group "Equal Justice Initiaive".

    http://www.npr.org/...

    "We have a system of justice in this country that treats you much better if you're rich and guilty than if you're poor and innocent."

    - Bryan Stevenson

  •  I visited a number of county jails and one prison (7+ / 0-)

    last month (the company I work for specializes in inmate communications - telephones, video-phones for remote visitations, etc.).  Odd as this sounds, if I had to be in one, I'd choose the prison.  There you are required to work 40 hours a week (laundry, cooking, cleaning, whatever)...it's something.  The guys in county jails are in their cells 23 hours a day...for years.  The county jails smell like a stale locker room.  It really is a miserable existence.  The state prison is immaculate by comparison.  Then again, the inmates there are going to be living there for the next decade or two.  

    I'll be happy if I never have to visit another customer site again, but I'm glad I did.  It really is amazing to see how people are treated in our jails and prisons first hand.  A real eye opener.

    Once in a while you get shown the light, in the strangest of places if you look at it right.

    by darthstar on Mon Mar 17, 2014 at 10:49:45 PM PDT

  •  Nobody should even be looked at twice (1+ / 0-)
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    for pot smoking, let alone harassed by a cop or arrested or beaten or shot or thrown in jail or sucked into the system or go to prison for it.

    Cops that arrest people for marijuana are bad human beings.

    "Just doing their jobs" you say? I have heard THAT somewhere before.......

    it's true - unarguably true and irrevocably true. Marijuana should never have been illegal, should not be illegal now, is ONLY kept illegal by unbelievably bad people you and I pay shitloads of money to.

    People who want to reform the laws are smarter than those who want to keep the stupid laws stupid.

    I sure hope you, kind reader, are on the CORRECT side of this issue: there is nothing fair or balanced about the cold hard truth. Either its right or its wrong and there's nothing to quibble about.

    Sure hope you're on the right side of this.

    If you're not and you STILL support marijuana prohibition I have a question:

    Does that much stupid, like, hurt?

    Legal means "good".
    [41984 | Feb 4, 2005]

    by xxdr zombiexx on Tue Mar 18, 2014 at 03:43:39 AM PDT

  •  Ralph Reed sez on "Morning Joe" (0+ / 0-)

    The economy is stagnant because of teh gay.

  •  BICEP2, cosmic inflation, and gravitational waves (0+ / 0-)

    I wrote a diary about the recent BICEP2 scientific announcement of evidence for inflation in the early cosmos and the detection of gravitational waves:

    This is Cosmic: Scientists Discover Evidence of Inflation

    I've tried to fill it with lots of linky goodness, including links to analysis and reactions by scientists like Phil Plait, Matt Strassler, and Sean Carroll.

    La majestueuse égalité des lois, qui interdit au riche comme au pauvre de coucher sous les ponts, de mendier dans les rues, et de voler du pain.

    by dconrad on Tue Mar 18, 2014 at 05:23:03 AM PDT

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