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Not self-indentified moderates or centrists.

Not self-identified 'conservative' Dems (what does that even mean?)

Liberals do, at 87%.

Link

Lots of other interesting returns on that one as well, it's definitely worth a read.

'BUT THAT'S JUST ONE POLL!'

True, but it's a statistically significant one, with results that support or exceed polls from:

2012

Earlier 2014

Another earlier 2014

So, what does this all mean?

1. Like Markos has said several times: If Hillary runs, short of a major negative event, she will be the nominee.

2. Ditto the caveat above, she is polling way ahead of any Repub nominees.

3. People who self-ID as Liberal within the Democratic Party support her overwhelmingly on a national election.

What should we take from it?

1. Hillary is a winner. I personally will vote for two other nominees ahead of her (if they run), but if she wins I will vote for and support her, as her presidency means continued influence in the Supreme Court, blocking disastrous GOP legislation and signing progressive legislation from Congress.

2. We can focus on 2014 and 2016 presidential elections, knowing that the status quo with Hillary is good enough for now (changes when the GOP candidate is decided).

3. It is NOT useful to cite Obama at this point when trying to influence others....he's not running again and HRC is popular.

4. HRC has a LOT of data backing her potential success on the elections...citing anecdotal evidence does nothing but cloud people's judgements. If you're going to bring anti-Hillary or anti-Dem theories or assertions upfront, make sure you have the same weight of data to support it!

More, and Better, Democrats in 2014 and 2016!

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  •  Every poll shows that liberals are the biggest (6+ / 0-)

    Supporters of Hillary........just like 80 %+ of liberals support Barack Obama. These are just the facts.

  •  I voted for her in 2008 and I'd do it again (5+ / 0-)

    in 2016.

    She might have turned into a better President than Obama. I do not regret my primary vote.

    •  It looks like that she's not Obama HELPS now. (3+ / 0-)
      Recommended by:
      charliehall2, duhban, Christin

      She could, for instance, make progressive changes to the ACA without it looking like defeat or that she made errors...because it's not her bill. The polling linked to above also shows more amicability toward voting for woman president, etc.

      While you dream of Utopia, we're here on Earth, getting things done.

      by GoGoGoEverton on Thu Mar 20, 2014 at 01:00:24 PM PDT

      [ Parent ]

      •  None of that matters (1+ / 0-)
        Recommended by:
        GoGoGoEverton

        The moment she says anything at all about the ACA, it will be HILLARYCARE!!!! all over again. Or BENGHAZICARE!!!! or WHITEWATERCARE!!!! or FOSTERCARE!!!! ^_^

        Actually, I predict that HillaryCare will be back in 2015.

        Back off, man. I'm a logician.—GOPBusters™

        by Mokurai on Thu Mar 20, 2014 at 06:14:17 PM PDT

        [ Parent ]

  •  Obama has always polled similarly amongst Liberals (5+ / 0-)
    Recommended by:
    GoGoGoEverton, doroma, duhban, Christin, Cedwyn

    KOS: "Mocking partisans focusing on elections? Even less reason to be on Daily Kos."

    by fcvaguy on Thu Mar 20, 2014 at 01:22:04 PM PDT

    •  I think we sometimes forget that this site (5+ / 0-)
      Recommended by:
      fcvaguy, FG, phenry, duhban, Christin

      attracts the most:

      1. activist
      2. politically-interested
      3. most left/liberal/progressive

      of the Party (and some outside the party). Statistically-significant crossections of the country will show one more inclined to left-center voting, and at a much more apathetic rate than here.

      While you dream of Utopia, we're here on Earth, getting things done.

      by GoGoGoEverton on Thu Mar 20, 2014 at 01:36:25 PM PDT

      [ Parent ]

      •  I don't know who you're talking to (1+ / 0-)
        Recommended by:
        DeadHead

        on this website, but I rarely meet new "activist, most left/liberal/progressive" people who just come to Dkos, willy-nilly, off the street.

        The ones who come here right now are the party faithful. That will most likely change in the run-up to '16 (as it surely did in '08), but I certainly don't see them yet.

        If I turn into another, dig me up from under what is covering the better part of me. -- Incubus

        by Colorado is the Shiznit on Thu Mar 20, 2014 at 06:26:41 PM PDT

        [ Parent ]

  •  the question I have for Dems is this, if we don't (3+ / 0-)
    Recommended by:
    GoGoGoEverton, duhban, JamieG from Md

    turnout this year in the off years, if Hillary runs, and wins, then will she face the same problem?? Based on past models I would say the answer is yes. This party has got to get its act together and SOON, and start getting people motivated to vote, in the off years, or we will never move forward, and we will get stalemate after stalemate just like where we are at now, and heaven help us if the GOP takes the Senate this fall. I am fired out, why isn't anyone else?????

    •  What a great question! (2+ / 0-)
      Recommended by:
      duhban, JamieG from Md

      Unless we elect a president who will never work with the opposing Party, if we hand that Party a victory by not coming out in midterms, how is it not going to turn out somewhat similarly to Obama's term?

      We have to market better, first and foremost. Congresscritters have to reach out to millenials and younger to turn out....focusing on the successes and the programs that are there to help them, and pointing out how devastating it will be to them if Republicans are in control.

      While you dream of Utopia, we're here on Earth, getting things done.

      by GoGoGoEverton on Thu Mar 20, 2014 at 01:43:12 PM PDT

      [ Parent ]

      •  that and we need some REAL leaders in this party (3+ / 0-)
        Recommended by:
        GoGoGoEverton, buffie, JamieG from Md

        people willing to get fired up about something and then motivate people. This apathy in the mid terms for Dems, is just exactly what the GOP wants. WHY on earth, give them what they want??

        •  Part of it is millennials (1+ / 0-)
          Recommended by:
          GoGoGoEverton

          don't get fired up about policies. They get fired up about people and slogans.

          The party can't win them, only specific candidates can and they can do it by outlining policies, it's too much. They need to do it by selling some brand.

          •  That, DROzone, is complete and utter (1+ / 0-)
            Recommended by:
            DeadHead

            bullshit.

            You want to know how to stir the Millennials' loins?

            Talk to them about serious shit and do what you say you are going to do!

            It's not really that complicated. But, because our political system is so broken and obstructed by money, Millennials haven't gotten a chance to see failure on a huge scale before.

            Yeah. Show them how excited you are about Hillary, just to see if they're smart enough to have been paying attention that past 6 years!

            If I turn into another, dig me up from under what is covering the better part of me. -- Incubus

            by Colorado is the Shiznit on Thu Mar 20, 2014 at 06:38:44 PM PDT

            [ Parent ]

            •  Sorry, but it really isn't that simple (1+ / 0-)
              Recommended by:
              GoGoGoEverton

              It actually is very complicated.

              Millennials, being one myself, like quick and instant solutions and our political system doesn't offer that

              They're not so stupid as to think it does. Knowing it doesn't, they don't see the point in being involved in something so convoluted and complicated as government when they can be looking for simpler answers.

              And no, it isn't as easy as "do what you say you're going to do," because that is sometimes not an option.

              President Obama can't just create jobs out of thin air, or lower their student loans or give them all raises. He needs Congress, which refuses to help. Millennials know this, which is why they still largely love the president, because they think HE'S on their side, but he's embroiled in a broken system they'd rather not waste their times trying to fix.

  •  Please provide a link to her LIBERAL agenda (13+ / 0-)

    I want to read all the great LIBERAL policies she intends to implement and I'd love to see her LIBERAL budget priorities.   Let's hear about the LIBERALS she intends to appoint to Treasury and Labor and HHS and Justice.  

    That's all I need folks.  

    Trust but verify, I say.  Trust but verify.  

  •  Fired up and ready to go. (6+ / 0-)
    3. People who self-ID as Liber within the Democratic Party support her overwhelmingly on a national election.
    2. We can focus on 2014 and 2016 presidential elections, knowing that the stays quo with Hillary is good enough for now (changes when the GOP candidate is decided).
    :-)




    Somebody has to do something, and it's just incredibly pathetic that it has to be us. ~ Garcia

    by DeadHead on Thu Mar 20, 2014 at 02:32:42 PM PDT

    •  Ha, don't be a dick, Deadhead. (2+ / 0-)
      Recommended by:
      duhban, Christin

      If you're down to autocorrect errors, you're clearly losing.

      While you dream of Utopia, we're here on Earth, getting things done.

      by GoGoGoEverton on Thu Mar 20, 2014 at 03:03:06 PM PDT

      [ Parent ]

      •  GGGE drop the HR, (2+ / 0-)
        Recommended by:
        duhban, Christin

        You can't HR in you own diary, it's a big no no.

        And anyhow DH can't help it.

        We should attack now when they'd least expect it #WarOnChristmas

        by AnnetteK on Thu Mar 20, 2014 at 03:23:27 PM PDT

        [ Parent ]

        •  I thought you were supposed to (0+ / 0-)

          if no one else is around to do it? I'll go look it up but will also say fuckit in the mean time.

          While you dream of Utopia, we're here on Earth, getting things done.

          by GoGoGoEverton on Thu Mar 20, 2014 at 03:25:44 PM PDT

          [ Parent ]

          •  he's not worth it either way (1+ / 0-)
            Recommended by:
            GoGoGoEverton

            Der Weg ist das Ziel

            by duhban on Thu Mar 20, 2014 at 04:10:36 PM PDT

            [ Parent ]

            •  Like people care what you think. (2+ / 0-)




              Somebody has to do something, and it's just incredibly pathetic that it has to be us. ~ Garcia

              by DeadHead on Thu Mar 20, 2014 at 05:47:45 PM PDT

              [ Parent ]

              •  well I clearly touched a nerve there (1+ / 0-)
                Recommended by:
                GoGoGoEverton

                I'm curious you throwing a tantrum like Clive has been?

                As to your attempt to cheap shot me given I really don't give a fuck what you think your attempt to insult me and belittle me has all the force of a wet roll of toilet paper.

                Der Weg ist das Ziel

                by duhban on Thu Mar 20, 2014 at 06:17:30 PM PDT

                [ Parent ]

                •  Yo, duhban, you ain't the "victim" here... (6+ / 0-)

                  You just posted this comment, referring to me:

                  he's not worth it either way

                  Der Weg ist das Ziel

                  by duhban on Thu Mar 20, 2014 at 04:10:36 PM PDT

                  And now I'm being mean to YOU because I responded in kind?

                  LMAO.




                  Somebody has to do something, and it's just incredibly pathetic that it has to be us. ~ Garcia

                  by DeadHead on Thu Mar 20, 2014 at 06:34:22 PM PDT

                  [ Parent ]

                  •  You're not worth it (1+ / 0-)
                    Recommended by:
                    GoGoGoEverton

                    You're not worth a single iota of emotional energy or consideration or time. You came into this diary to act like a dick and derail it. That's it. You contribute nothing of substance here or in general on this blog.

                    But you know what? Why should anyone here care what you think? I highly encourage people to just ignore you like you deserve. That's generally speaking how I deal with you and your enablers and that is what I am going back to you.

                    Because you are not worth it.

                    Der Weg ist das Ziel

                    by duhban on Thu Mar 20, 2014 at 06:41:40 PM PDT

                    [ Parent ]

                    •  I care what DeadHead thinks. (5+ / 0-)

                      Just sayin'.

                      I think he's a good egg. I think he is very worth it.

                      'Course, I could just be an "enabler", but I'd like to think I actually care about the guy.

                      P.S. duhban, we're gone round-n-round a time or two but, I swear to God no one's ever told you this before:

                      It's not your job to be the judge and arbiter of good behavior for other people.

                      If I turn into another, dig me up from under what is covering the better part of me. -- Incubus

                      by Colorado is the Shiznit on Thu Mar 20, 2014 at 06:49:37 PM PDT

                      [ Parent ]

                      •  and I think he's nothing but a bully (1+ / 0-)
                        Recommended by:
                        GoGoGoEverton

                        that is propped up because he directs his antics in a certain way and at certain people. I have never seen him do anything but 'follow' people around and harass them.

                        Care to defend his thread hijack here? Or his repeated cheap shots?

                        Der Weg ist das Ziel

                        by duhban on Thu Mar 20, 2014 at 06:59:41 PM PDT

                        [ Parent ]

                        •  Check this out, duh... (2+ / 0-)

                          I didn't threadjack shit, okay?

                          I posted one fucking top level comment that pointed out two typos, and then the diarist, you, and other members of the peanut gallery threw a fucking fit over it.

                          And now you have the nerve to trot out your baseless bullshit about me following people around and harassing them.

                          Lies, in other words. You got timed-out twice for pulling that shit. And now you're doing it again.

                          Go pick your nose or something.




                          Somebody has to do something, and it's just incredibly pathetic that it has to be us. ~ Garcia

                          by DeadHead on Thu Mar 20, 2014 at 07:10:03 PM PDT

                          [ Parent ]

                          •  .... (1+ / 0-)
                            Recommended by:
                            GoGoGoEverton

                            you realize you're not helping yourself at all right now?

                            And the header, introduction, whatever was questionable. Your behaviour since that comment has been clearly dickish and out of line. But hey rage at me if it makes you feel better. To me this looks like the start of you finally flaming out. You notice the dearth of people around protesting your innocence? This is nothing more than yet another string of petty and malicious commentary by you.

                            But please continue.

                            Der Weg ist das Ziel

                            by duhban on Thu Mar 20, 2014 at 07:26:59 PM PDT

                            [ Parent ]

                          •  Okay... (1+ / 0-)
                            you realize you're not helping yourself at all right now?
                            Actually, you aren't someone with the credibility to make that determination. Nice try, though.
                            And the header, introduction, whatever was questionable.
                            "Fired up and ready to go" is an Obama slogan. How is that "questionable?" I thought you liked the President. Apparently not.
                            Your behaviour since that comment has been clearly dickish and out of line.
                            What exactly is out of line about my questioning the faux outrage surrounding my innocuous original comment, and the now-pulled HR of it?
                            To me this looks like the start of you finally flaming out.
                            hahahahahahahahaha. You only wish. Thank you, I'm bookmarking this comment to read whenever I need cheering up.
                            You notice the dearth of people around protesting your innocence?
                            Yeah, and they're all wrong. None of whom, yourself included, has actually pointed out the problem, because the problem was fabricated in order to make it look like I did something HORRIBLE, which I did not. I've been around this block before, duhban.
                            This is nothing more than yet another string of petty and malicious commentary by you.
                            Please highlight the "malicious" comments of mine.
                            But please continue.
                            Okay, now that you've given me your approval and endorsement, I will.

                            Or, I'll just go find a diary that's intelligent. You likely won't be there. Or maybe, out of envy, you will.

                            Bye now.




                            Somebody has to do something, and it's just incredibly pathetic that it has to be us. ~ Garcia

                            by DeadHead on Thu Mar 20, 2014 at 07:54:49 PM PDT

                            [ Parent ]

                          •  do you promise to go away? (1+ / 0-)
                            Recommended by:
                            GoGoGoEverton

                            because as has always been the case you started the 'conversation' not me.

                            Der Weg ist das Ziel

                            by duhban on Thu Mar 20, 2014 at 08:11:18 PM PDT

                            [ Parent ]

                          •  No, you did. (1+ / 0-)

                            When you posted this comment about me.

                            Had you not posted that comment about me, I wouldn't have replied to you.

                            And I'm quite hip to this bullshit game you and the rest of your high school buddies play here, which is:

                            1) Someone replies to me.

                            2) Another person, let's call him "high schooler," replies to that someone with a comment about me.

                            3) I see that secondary, indirect comment and reply to it, because it is about me.

                            4) High schooler claims I was the one who started the convo, because technically, I did reply to them, because the comment was about me.

                            5) High schooler claims victimhood.

                            Sorry duhban, you're an amateur.

                            And I note you did not reply to my comment which directly addressed your falsehoods, asking you to support them.

                            Care to try again, or should I just chalk this one down as another loss for you?




                            Somebody has to do something, and it's just incredibly pathetic that it has to be us. ~ Garcia

                            by DeadHead on Thu Mar 20, 2014 at 09:34:30 PM PDT

                            [ Parent ]

                          •  gods you are so childish and transparent (0+ / 0-)

                            besides I thought you were going away?

                            Let's be clear here Deadhead my comment had nothing to do with you. As this whole thing demonstrates you have a clear need to interject yourself where you are not needed and not wanted. My comment was to GoGoGoEverton offering the opinion that regardless of whether you deserved a hide for your dickish behaviour it was not worth engaging you.

                            You then choose to interject yourself and have since doubled down on that behaviour several times not to mention accusing me of playing the victim (funny as none of my comments say that) as well as your usual passive aggressive routine. You are projecting and are still doing it. Notice how Colorado after speaking up for you has declined to defend your actions here? But please continue to think you are 'winning'. I really don't give a fuck if you wish to keep embarrassing yourself.

                            And unlike you I am going to demonstrate walking away by doing so now. I'm reasonably certain you'll take the last word and try desperately one last time to bluster your way though your blunder. Really it's embarrassing but it's up to you.

                            GoGo, my apologies for not taking my own advice better but I'm going to now.

                            Der Weg ist das Ziel

                            by duhban on Thu Mar 20, 2014 at 11:12:16 PM PDT

                            [ Parent ]

                          •  Okay... (1+ / 0-)
                            besides I thought you were going away?
                            No, that was you hoping I would, and me saying I might consider it.
                            Let's be clear here Deadhead my comment had nothing to do with you.
                            and yet...
                            My comment was to GoGoGoEverton offering the opinion that regardless of whether you deserved a hide for your dickish behaviour it was not worth engaging you.
                            ...it was, in fact, about me!
                            As this whole thing demonstrates you have a clear need to interject yourself where you are not needed and not wanted.
                            I'm sorry, I didn't see any sign that said "NO DEADHEADS ALLOWED."

                            Besides, what's the problem? You've "injected" yourself countless times in countless diaries wherein the same was thought about you. But you conveniently forget how many diaries you've fucked up, now, huh? You're thinking you've found a nice little spot where you can pretend you're reversing roles. That's nice, but sorry, you haven't earned the title of Blog Nanny, and you won't ever be taken seriously as one.

                            You then choose to interject yourself and have since doubled down on that behaviour several times not to mention accusing me of playing the victim (funny as none of my comments say that) as well as your usual passive aggressive routine. You are projecting and are still doing it.
                            No, I'm not "doubling down," I'm pushing back on your bullshit whining about stupid shit.
                            Notice how Colorado after speaking up for you has declined to defend your actions here?
                            Yeah, I noticed, and I'm glad, because she's awesome and you're not. Unlike me, she has the sense to know when fiddle-fucking around with idiots is a lost cause, and she has better things to do than help you pick your nose.
                            But please continue to think you are 'winning'.
                            No "thinking" about it. I know I have.
                            I really don't give a fuck if you wish to keep embarrassing yourself.
                            Yes you do, or else you wouldn't keep failing at trying to make it happen.
                            And unlike you I am going to demonstrate walking away by doing so now. I'm reasonably certain you'll take the last word and try desperately one last time to bluster your way though your blunder. Really it's embarrassing but it's up to you.
                            FINALLY. Thank you.

                            I win.

                            Bye bye.




                            Somebody has to do something, and it's just incredibly pathetic that it has to be us. ~ Garcia

                            by DeadHead on Fri Mar 21, 2014 at 12:29:46 AM PDT

                            [ Parent ]

                        •  You're the threadjacker duh, not DH. It was (1+ / 0-)
                          Recommended by:
                          4kedtongue

                          DH's thread. Once again, you don't know what the fuck you blather about.

                          Previous signature removed by admin. in a fit of pique because it was deemed harassment of a troll... you'll just have to guess who.

                          by Clive all hat no horse Rodeo on Fri Mar 21, 2014 at 04:02:47 AM PDT

                          [ Parent ]

                    •  Actually, I did. (1+ / 0-)

                      I pointed out two typos, which lead the diarist to correct his errors, and, of course, HR me for it, rescinding it soon after.

                      I then responded to the diarist in another comment above, pointing out more of his contradictory nonsense.

                      What have you contributed, other than playing diary nanny?




                      Somebody has to do something, and it's just incredibly pathetic that it has to be us. ~ Garcia

                      by DeadHead on Thu Mar 20, 2014 at 07:17:46 PM PDT

                      [ Parent ]

          •  What made my comment HRable? (0+ / 0-)

            Pointing out your errors?




            Somebody has to do something, and it's just incredibly pathetic that it has to be us. ~ Garcia

            by DeadHead on Thu Mar 20, 2014 at 05:47:01 PM PDT

            [ Parent ]

        •  Can you.. (1+ / 0-)
          Recommended by:
          Free Jazz at High Noon

          Point out what about my comment was SO FUCKING OFFENSIVE, because I just "can't help it?"

          Was it the Obama slogan?

          Pointing out the typos that he ended up correcting?

          Or was it the smiley?




          Somebody has to do something, and it's just incredibly pathetic that it has to be us. ~ Garcia

          by DeadHead on Thu Mar 20, 2014 at 05:45:29 PM PDT

          [ Parent ]

      •  You tell me not to be a dick for... (1+ / 0-)
        Recommended by:
        BradyB

        ...pointing out your typos that you ended up correcting?

        And you actually initially HR'd me in your own diary over it?

        This is why you don't get taken seriously.




        Somebody has to do something, and it's just incredibly pathetic that it has to be us. ~ Garcia

        by DeadHead on Thu Mar 20, 2014 at 05:40:00 PM PDT

        [ Parent ]

      •  sigh (1+ / 0-)
        Recommended by:
        duhban

        Every.
        Single day.

        Deadhead...stop going into diaries in written by someone you constantly fight and bicker with in which your public history with that diarist is well known. Stop posting comments that only serve to further your grudges please.
         Thanks.

  •  "self-identified". (2+ / 0-)
    Recommended by:
    JesseCW, Lost and Found

    The thing about centrist Democratic voters is that they often say they're liberal, but others whose political views are further to the left would see them as centrist.

    I'd like to see a poll where people answer questions about  their political views, and are classified as centrist or liberal based on that. Views on NSA spying. Income inequality. Executive compensation. Wall Street Reform. Crackdowns on peaceful protest and our slow march towards being a police state. Environmental issues.

    It's not "no true scotsman". We're supposed to be a big tent. Stuff like this that says "we're the real liberals and so get out of the way" make that tent a little smaller for those of us further to the left. But whatever makes you feel good.

    "Liberal" means very different things to different people. It's such an amorphous definition I really don't see any significance of any poll that relies on self-identification as liberal.

    Or as you say, LIBERALS

  •  "...I personally will vote for two other nominees (1+ / 0-)
    Recommended by:
    GoGoGoEverton

    ahead of her (if they run),...."

    Your honesty is sincerely appreciated with that statement.  

    As a "Progressive Liberal", I would not vote for her now as I too have other preferences in candidates.  I also would not render my opinion a favorable to such a poll as of now, as well.  I feel that there is to much we do not know about Ms. Clinton and her policies and I feel that she keeps it that way deliberately.  She is playing this "game" close the the vest as the saying goes.  I too want to hear more about policies that would make for a better country for everyone before supporting her before a primary/nomination win be it solo, or with challengers.        

    2016 is a long way off, and many things can happen along the way.  

    “My soul is from elsewhere, I'm sure of that, and I intend to end up there." - Rumi

    by LamontCranston on Thu Mar 20, 2014 at 04:18:37 PM PDT

  •  I'm confuzled. (5+ / 0-)

    See, OK. Here's the thing:

    This diary reads like snark, but I'm sure it can't be (because you are the author, GoGo), so I guess I'll just refrain from saying anything other then ...

     ... I can't believe this isn't fucking snark! This snark is perfect, man! This cannot possibly be a real diary!

    OK, getting over that, slowly. But still:

    I would like to point out to you that more people vote for the results of American Idol then our electorate chooses to vote for their Congressional senators and representatives.

    So, ya know, that's not good.

    I'm thinking that a good way to pack 'em in the aisles is to ensure more centrist Democrats to tip the scales in the lefty's favor.

    (Or something to that effect, I'm not sure what the actual logic is there.)

    Alright, uhhh, thanks for the laugh. :)

    If I turn into another, dig me up from under what is covering the better part of me. -- Incubus

    by Colorado is the Shiznit on Thu Mar 20, 2014 at 06:02:16 PM PDT

    •  You're welcome. (0+ / 0-)

      Seems like you need one.

      While you dream of Utopia, we're here on Earth, getting things done.

      by GoGoGoEverton on Thu Mar 20, 2014 at 06:30:25 PM PDT

      [ Parent ]

      •  I'm good. (4+ / 0-)

        My life is going super well, love my job, love Little Shiz, love my life, essentially.

        I got more of a kick of of Omar, The Unofficial Company Dog, today then I did out of this diary, honestly.

        If I turn into another, dig me up from under what is covering the better part of me. -- Incubus

        by Colorado is the Shiznit on Thu Mar 20, 2014 at 06:42:33 PM PDT

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        •  Doubtful. (0+ / 0-)

          Otherwise you wouldn't have felt the need to come in here and project such 'well' at people in this diary.

          Anyways, do carry on, Shiz.

          While you dream of Utopia, we're here on Earth, getting things done.

          by GoGoGoEverton on Thu Mar 20, 2014 at 06:46:45 PM PDT

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          •  Not everything has to do with you, (4+ / 0-)

            Your Highness.

            In any case, I can dislike a diary all I want, as long as I don't go into it specifically to cause a kerfluffle (which I didn't, btw. I just merely disagreed with you, which is not the same as being a "dick").

            The fact that you are now questioning my mental health says more about you then it does about me.

            Cheers.

            If I turn into another, dig me up from under what is covering the better part of me. -- Incubus

            by Colorado is the Shiznit on Thu Mar 20, 2014 at 06:56:53 PM PDT

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            •  The "This isn't snark? REALLY?" bit was way over (1+ / 0-)
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              GoGoGoEverton

              the top.   Was that really necessary?  I guess from your vantage point anyone from the left who believes HRC is probably our best choice (even from a Progressive's point of view) must be some sort of loser or idiot.   It looks like your POV is quite narrow, because a lot of Progressives actually DO like HRC.  Markos thinks she will be a "great President," and last time I checked Markos was quite Progressive.   Also, Howard Dean's recent comment:

              "Hillary will satisfy a large number of Democratic voters, including a large number of progressives."

              "There are going to be issues where there is disagreement on. You can never please everyone. The people who are not going to be pleased are well-organized voices and not a lot of votes."

              Perhaps what you surmise a Progressive/Liberal makes is overly narrow in its scope, thus explaining your apparent perplexed and, frankly, rude comments here.  

    •  Extremely rude commentary (1+ / 0-)
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      The author's diary used recent polling to make a point.  You decided to arrogantly mock the author and the diary without even the hit of respect for a fellow poster.   Markos wrote in his recent diary that Hillary Clinton will be a "great President."  I am sure he will be fleshing out what exactly he meant with that comment in a follow up diary if/when HRC decides to enter the race.  Will you be mocking HIM as well viciously as if he were a complete idiot for even attempting to explain WHY he backs Hillary Clinton for President?  Elizabeth Warren signed a letter URGING Hillary Clinton to run for President?  Was she coerced?  Howard Dean is backing Hillary Clinton, even though she hasn't announced yet, hasn't even discussed what she'll do for 2016.     Are they ALL nuts?    Is everybody just snarking it up?  

      Perhaps when you understand that many people have viewpoints that differ from yours, you'll get where people are coming from instead of incredulously pretending that everybody has just lost command of their faculties entirely.  

  •  self identified liberals. (3+ / 0-)
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    GGGE, you probably self identify as a liberal.  Really no other point needs to be made. I say, go with All In for Hillary and ignore the midterms.  Nothing bad will happen now or then.  

    "It rubs the lotion on its skin" is not effective coalition building.

    by Nada Lemming on Thu Mar 20, 2014 at 07:16:26 PM PDT

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