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Demonstrators march against amnesty for illegal aliens, during a rally against the immigration reform bill in Pennsylvania Avenue in Washington July 15, 2013.  REUTERS/Jose Luis Magana
The anti-reform movement has been nuts for a while now.
Watching these right-wing meltdowns over the possibility of immigration reform increasingly reminds me of Confederate rhetoric used in the various secession documents. There's the overwhelming surety in the superiority of White Folks, and dire warnings of how America will surely lose itself if we let those folks have a say in it, both things so supposedly obvious and certain that they are worth committing violence for; I'm not necessarily saying it's a fair comparison, I'm just saying that when you start talking about the American way of life and American society and culture being threatened by the increased presence or power of any non-white group, the language used does tend to blur together. Here's a "Center for Immigration Studies" guy giving a speech to a Texas Tea Party group, and he would fit in pretty damn well with any of the various white supremacy voices of 50 or 150 years ago.
If comprehensive immigration reform passes, we will lose our liberty and become a one-party state, we will watch our nation be balkanized along ethnic and cultural lines and lose its social cohesion, as we witness what is an essence a population transfer from another country with a different language, a different culture, which will become the dominant demographic in this country. We will witness the erosion of the middle class and the emergence of a vast, restive permanent underclass. We will watch the Constitution become a dead letter, as the rule of law is overthrown.
And the reason America will become a one-party state is because apparently the Republican Party would rather slit its collective wrists than do anything that would convince those people that they could vote for their party as well. Oh, and because giving people already here some paperwork will naturally result in them becoming a permanent underclass, since those people wouldn't possibly have the smarts to move up the wage ladder with the rest of us (not that too many of the rest of us are either, but details, details).
We did a study, a huge study, we got a lot of money from our main donor. And, by the way, we divided the study along religious lines, because we were interested in watching, because religious leaders – God help me, find a baseball bat, there would be a whole lot fewer of them around – but they are all of them, right across the spectrum, are the leaders of the amnesty. From the Conference of Catholic Bishops to every Jewish organization to the National Conference of Churches, all of them are all in the same league.
When you're threatening to murder religious leaders with a baseball bat, you are probably doing religion "wrong," but there you go.

Now here is the thing: Our Center for Immigration Studies guy is not unaware of the comparison to past civil rights battles. Or the violence committed in them. Or the possibility of war over over it. He all but embraces it; when a questioner wonders aloud about putting a Texas militia on the border to "take care" of the perceived problem, Immigration Studies guy shuts him down by saying the federal government would bring the military in to stop them.

Questioner: So they would go to war with their own people to keep these people…

Steinlight: That’s correct. I mean, obviously, I’m not talking about the same context at all, so don’t be offended. If you think about what happened, say, in the South, during desegregation, when governors who wanted to defend integration used the National Guard – the federal government sent the 101st Airborne Division out. What I’m telling you right now is that if Texas militia, in Washington language, ‘takes the law into its own hands,’ that is to say tries to enforce the law that the federal government will not enforce, right? The federal government will send the United States Army into Texas and disarm you, violently or nonviolently. They will not permit it.

These people ain't right in the head. They are, however, the spitting image of people America has heard a great deal from in the past. They're not even terribly "offended" by that.

Originally posted to Hunter on Fri Mar 28, 2014 at 10:50 AM PDT.

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  •  another day in the baseball bat crazy USA /nt (10+ / 0-)

    Warning - some snark may be above‽ (-9.50; -7.03)‽ eState4Column5©2013 "I’m not the strapping young Muslim socialist that I used to be" - Barack Obama 04/27/2013 (@eState4Column5).

    by annieli on Fri Mar 28, 2014 at 11:00:44 AM PDT

  •  Tipped and rec’d just for the picture! (n/t) (7+ / 0-)
  •  Just another John Tanton hate group. (nt) (4+ / 0-)
    Recommended by:
    The Marti, Mannie, hbk, thanatokephaloides
  •  Offended by it? (12+ / 0-)

    They wear it as a badge of honor. They are the true Amerkans...ready to protect the 'real' Amerka from the hordes that are...well you know...different.

    And if the rest of Amerka doesn't give in to their point of view? - well then they are always ready to threaten to leave Amerka...that's how much they love it!

    I swear we have come full circle in this country - we are refighting the issues of the Civil War...we are turning the Founding Fathers concepts of religious freedom upside down and inside out...

    All because of Nixon's Southern Strategy and the GOP completely selling itself over to white evangelical Southerners...

    Blue is blue and must be that. But yellow is none the worse for it - Edith Sidebottom

    by kenwards on Fri Mar 28, 2014 at 11:31:58 AM PDT

  •  Their version of 'Murica is pretty sweet *if* (17+ / 0-)

    you're a conservative, straight, white, male, fundy Christian.

    Otherwise, it sucks beyond the telling of it.

    No, thanks.  Growing pains and all, I prefer the current America....where we fight for the rights of everyone, regardless of origination, orientation, gender, or religious baggage.

    Those people....are idiots.

    "Live with no excuses and love with no regrets."

    by The Marti on Fri Mar 28, 2014 at 12:15:22 PM PDT

  •  Who is really speaking the different language? (7+ / 0-)

    Since when did Christian Identity become the cultural, or religious standard for America? These individuals and groups are slowly weaving their way into local, state, and federal government. They have added another costume to their wardrobe. Not only do they wear their white robes and hoods when they attend events among like minded folks, but they wear their Captain America costumes at the more public Tea Party events; stars and bars is easily interchangeable with stars and stripes. Who do they think they are fooling?


    The next house I build will be a military industrial complex. It seems to be the only structure that is impervious to anything man, or nature, can throw at it.

    by glb3 on Fri Mar 28, 2014 at 12:29:09 PM PDT

  •  from "The Rights and the Duties of Masters" (3+ / 0-)
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    an 1850 sermon by the Rev. James Henry Thornwell, D.D. on the occasion of a dedication of a church for slaves in Charleston, S.C.:

    These are the mighty questions which are shaking thrones to their centres—upheaving the masses like an earthquake and rocking the solid pillars of this Union. The parties in this conflict are not merely abolitionists and slaveholders—they are atheists, socialists, communists, red republicans, jacobins, on the one side, and the friends of order and regulated freedom on the other. In one word, the world is the battle ground—Christianity and Atheism the combatants; and the progress of humanity the stake. One party seems to regard Society, with all its complicated interests, its divisions and sub-divisions, as the machinery of man—which, as it has been invented and arranged by his ingenuity and skill, may be taken to pieces, re-constructed, altered or repaired, as experience shall indicate defects or confusion in the original plan. The other party beholds in it the ordinance of God; and contemplates “this little scene of human life,” as placed in the middle of a scheme whose beginnings must be traced to the unfathomable depths of the past, and whose development and completion must be sought in the still more unfathomable depths of the future—a scheme, as Butler expresses it, “not fixed, but progressive—every way incomprehensible”—in which, consequently, irregularity is the confession of our ignorance—disorder the proof of our blindness, and with which it is as awful temerity to tamper as to sport with the name of God.
    There it is, in a nutshell. We (or people somewhat like us, at any rate) are blamed for seeing human society as something susceptible to human improvement, guided by human will and intellect. They (or people very much like those we oppose today), on the other hand, are described as viewing society, very much including society's attendant ills, as being part of "the ordinance of God", which it would be impious to attempt to alter or better.

    My country, right or wrong; if right, to be kept right; and if wrong, to be set right.
    --Carl Schurz, remarks in the Senate, February 29, 1872

    by leftist vegetarian patriot on Fri Mar 28, 2014 at 03:35:23 PM PDT

  •  "...aint right in the head" (5+ / 0-)

    rAmen.

    If I ran this circus, things would be DIFFERENT!

    by CwV on Fri Mar 28, 2014 at 04:07:27 PM PDT

  •  Love the pic...It's CAPTAIN MORON!!! (7+ / 0-)

    What is it with these tea bagger idiots with dressing up? The seem to like dress up more than a drag queen on Halloween. Except they always look stupid.

  •  Hasn't this train already left the station? (10+ / 0-)
    We will witness the erosion of the middle class and the emergence of a vast, restive permanent underclass.
    That transformation is well under way, but let me stick my neck out and say that immigrants aren't the cause.
  •  This Crap Is Right Out Of Mein Kampf (6+ / 0-)

    This should sound familiar.  It's the fuzzy amorphous mix race/spirit/culture/language/pseudosciece.

    During the last century it was lamentable for those who had to witness it, to notice how in these circles I have just mentioned the word 'Germanization' was frivolously played with, though the practice was often well intended. I well remember how in the days of my youth this very term used to give rise to notions which were false to an incredible degree. Even in Pan-German circles one heard the opinion expressed that the Austrian Germans might very well succeed in Germanizing the Austrian Slavs, if only the Government would be ready to co-operate. Those people did not understand that a policy of Germanization can be carried out only as regards human beings. What they mostly meant by Germanization was a process of forcing other people to speak the German language. But it is almost inconceivable how such a mistake could be made as to think that a Nigger or a Chinaman will become a German because he has learned the German language and is willing to speak German for the future, and even to cast his vote for a German political party. Our bourgeois nationalists could never clearly see that such a process of Germanization is in reality de-Germanization; for even if all the outstanding and visible differences between the various peoples could be bridged over and finally wiped out by the use of a common language, that would produce a process of bastardization which in this case would not signify Germanization but the annihilation of the German element. In the course of history it has happened only too often that a conquering race succeeded by external force in compelling the people whom they subjected to speak the tongue of the conqueror and that after a thousand years their language was spoken by another people and that thus the conqueror finally turned out to be the conquered.

    Men are so necessarily mad, that not to be mad would amount to another form of madness. -Pascal

    by bernardpliers on Fri Mar 28, 2014 at 04:10:10 PM PDT

  •  I wonder if that guy in the pic (2+ / 0-)
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    ...knows that Captain America is dead.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/...

    --
    Make sure everyone's vote counts: Verified Voting

    by sacrelicious on Fri Mar 28, 2014 at 04:13:18 PM PDT

  •  lose its social cohesion (2+ / 0-)
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    says the unglued Wingnut

    I want 1 less Tiny Coffin, Why Don't You? Support The President's Gun Violence Plan.

    by JML9999 on Fri Mar 28, 2014 at 04:15:00 PM PDT

  •  This quote seems to be self-contradictory (6+ / 0-)
    If comprehensive immigration reform passes, we will lose our liberty and become a one-party state, we will watch our nation be balkanized along ethnic and cultural lines and lose its social cohesion,
    to me, a one party state would seem to be moving in exactly the opposite direction of balkanization.  
    •  Funny, it sounds like British colonists (6+ / 0-)

      freaking out over the Germans in Pennsylvania in the early 18th century.

      And you know what?  The Mennonites and Amish never managed to turn us all into German-speaking Anabaptists.  The Amish are a lot less into assimilation and mainstreaming than Mexican-Americans. And look what happened?  Even the Amish, who try as hard as possible to live separately, learned English and participate in our economy and fit in, in their own way. The rest of the German immigrants from the 18th century? They mixed in.

      This is all so obviously racial hysteria and nothing more.  Immigrants become Americans, and it doesn't matter if they are Irish, or Polish, or Mexican or Filipino, or Nigerian.

      “If the misery of the poor be caused not by the laws of nature, but by our institutions, great is our sin.” Charles Darwin

      by ivorybill on Fri Mar 28, 2014 at 04:33:21 PM PDT

      [ Parent ]

    •  On re-reading your comment (5+ / 0-)

      I think what they fear as "balkanization" is really that they will be alone and everyone else will be against them:

      Non fearful whites
      Black people
      Latinos
      Immigrants of every nation

      It's called projection.  After we've all moved on and future generations of mixed-up multi-color babies are the new Americans, they will be the Balkan enclave, isolated into some fearful corner of Kentucky, or North Dakota, or the hinterland around Dallas, clinging to their guns like Serb nationalists still fighting the Ottomans.

      “If the misery of the poor be caused not by the laws of nature, but by our institutions, great is our sin.” Charles Darwin

      by ivorybill on Fri Mar 28, 2014 at 04:45:47 PM PDT

      [ Parent ]

  •  Captain America: New Deal Dem (4+ / 0-)

    Jack Kirby and Joe Simon would be furious that their flagship creation would be used by these creeps. In addition, I cannot imagine the Disney corp is too thrilled about this trademark infringement.

    Have you heard? The vice president's gone mad. - Bob Dylan, 1966

    by textus on Fri Mar 28, 2014 at 04:22:39 PM PDT

  •  waitasecond---is this Ukraine? (4+ / 0-)
    If comprehensive immigration reform passes, we will lose our liberty and become a one-party state, we will watch our nation be balkanized along ethnic and cultural lines and lose its social cohesion, as we witness what is an essence a population transfer from another country with a different language, a different culture, which will become the dominant demographic in this country. We will witness the erosion of the middle class and the emergence of a vast, restive permanent underclass. We will watch the Constitution become a dead letter, as the rule of law is overthrown.

    Warning - some snark may be above‽ (-9.50; -7.03)‽ eState4Column5©2013 "I’m not the strapping young Muslim socialist that I used to be" - Barack Obama 04/27/2013 (@eState4Column5).

    by annieli on Fri Mar 28, 2014 at 04:25:34 PM PDT

  •  It was a HUGE study. That makes it a TRUE (4+ / 0-)

    Study . . . Because size matters.

    ". . .as singularly embarrassing a public address as any allegedly sentient primate ever has delivered." - Charles P. Pierce

    by Rikon Snow on Fri Mar 28, 2014 at 04:26:49 PM PDT

  •  I feel dumber from having seen that idiot (4+ / 0-)

    and even dumber from having read his dribble he spouted.

    A few selected quotes from this POS

    We will witness the erosion of the middle class and the emergence of a vast, restive permanent underclass.
    Really? I thought your Koch brothers run tea party movement was already doing this and we have seen the evidence of it! By the time immigration reform happens the Koch brothers will have already destroyed the middle class!
    From the Conference of Catholic Bishops to every Jewish organization to the National Conference of Churches
    I really thought after reading this, some unsuspecting scientist de-thawed this POS from about 100-150 years ago.  Because the first two RELIGIOUS groups he mentions sounds like a play right from the EARLY days of the KKK

    Never underestimate stupid. Stupid is how reTHUGlicans win!

    by Mannie on Fri Mar 28, 2014 at 04:27:35 PM PDT

  •  And if all else fails... (2+ / 0-)
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    Immigration reform will kill 'Murica becuz...

    BENGHAZI!!!!!  Bwahahahahaha!

  •  Hunter, do more research before you post. (1+ / 0-)
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    funningforrest

    The Center for Immigration Studies is well known as a far-right hate group.

    See the statements about CIS on the website of the respected Southern Poverty Law Center, which monitors hate groups:  http://www.splcenter.org/.

    And just google "center for immigration studies southern poverty law center" for much on this.

    CIS was founded by John Tanton, a notorious racist and nativist, and there are many affiliated groups.  As a liberal immigration lawyer, I've had to knock down their bullshit many, many times.

    You should delete this post for the moment and do it right.  Don't be so lazy.

    •  What would you have him redo if he did rewrite? (3+ / 0-)

      How could he more explicitly identify CIS as a hate group than by comparing them to secessionist slaveholders and Jim Crow segregationists? Isn't that the point of this diary post? As far as the "many affiliated groups" you mention, at this point the Republican Party taken as a whole would qualify as racist and nativist, I think, even if a sizable minority of its members would not.

      My country, right or wrong; if right, to be kept right; and if wrong, to be set right.
      --Carl Schurz, remarks in the Senate, February 29, 1872

      by leftist vegetarian patriot on Fri Mar 28, 2014 at 04:49:37 PM PDT

      [ Parent ]

  •  short form translation: (2+ / 0-)
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    ER Doc, thanatokephaloides

    white males are outnumbered, some have gone off  the rails completely:

    God help me, find a baseball bat, there would be a whole lot fewer of them around
  •  I blame Reagan (2+ / 0-)
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    ER Doc, thanatokephaloides

    For shutting down America's mental health system 30 years ago.

    "Do you realize that fluoridation is the most monstrously conceived and dangerous Communist plot we have ever had to face?" - General Jack D. Ripper

    by wilder5121 on Fri Mar 28, 2014 at 04:37:44 PM PDT

  •  Wait, what? (3+ / 0-)
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    If you think about what happened, say, in the South, during desegregation, when governors who wanted to defend integration used the National Guard – the federal government sent the 101st Airborne Division out.
    The Southern governors were using their National Guards to DEFEND integration?? Where did this guy get his history lessons from?

    Your beliefs don't make you a better person. Your behavior does.

    by skohayes on Fri Mar 28, 2014 at 04:45:48 PM PDT

  •  Oh, there's way crazier than him. (3+ / 0-)
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    skohayes, ER Doc, thanatokephaloides

    I mean, he recognizes that states would be crushed if they oppose federal power.  That makes him a realist as these things go.

    It's not the side effects of the cocaine/I'm thinking that it must be love

    by Rich in PA on Fri Mar 28, 2014 at 04:45:51 PM PDT

  •  The bad news... (1+ / 0-)
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    thanatokephaloides

    THEY are coming!

    The good news?  If these idiots keep electing Teapublican asshats who sell us out to big money like the Koch's, thus ensuring the "emergence of a vast, restrictive, permanent underclass", THEY won't want to anymore!!

  •  right on! i can't fucking wait! (0+ / 0-)
    If comprehensive immigration reform passes, we will lose our liberty and become a one-party state, we will watch our nation be balkanized along ethnic and cultural lines and lose its social cohesion, as we witness what is an essence a population transfer from another country with a different language, a different culture, which will become the dominant demographic in this country. We will witness the erosion of the middle class and the emergence of a vast, restive permanent underclass. We will watch the Constitution become a dead letter, as the rule of law is overthrown.
  •  Balkanized (0+ / 0-)

    The claim that these people are resisting the balkanization of the United States leaves me confused.  Down here in SC their first response to any challenge is to cite their dominance in our rigged electoral politics and advise whoever disagrees with them that they should leave the state.  They have all sorts of crazy ideas about constitutional interstate compacts which would exclude or supplant Federal Government regulation of things like healthcare, creating, effectively a patchwork of legal environments across the country.  When you look at the states they include, it lines up with the Confederacy and the same list of red states.  They champion churches and schools which are racially divided.  Weirdly they recruit and elect an Indian/American Governor and an African/American Senator who say the exact same things they do, which of course, makes it all OK to deny Medicaid to 300 thousand people while knowing 1300 of them will likely die.

    These people known that they can resist the more urban and diverse United States growing up around them forever, so they're trying to create legal and regulatory confederacy within the US where they can retain control, hoping that they can use their localized power to drive the opposition out.  It's clear from their comments on hate radio and online that they dream of driving the poor, disabled, liberals and minorities out of their communities and they're perfectly happy to do anything which makes life here harder for them.

    In SC most of our young activists leave the state and the elderly retired people coming here are usually very conservative, often bringing a more vicious form of racism here that our home grown variety.

    For the liberals and progressives being left behind in the red states, it's a depressing prospect.  Not everyone can move.

    William Hamilton practices Law and is a writer and community activist in the Charleston, SC area. He can reached through www.wjhamilton.com

    by wjhamilton29464 on Mon Mar 31, 2014 at 06:55:48 AM PDT

  •  Thank You Dr. Steinlight for attending our events! (0+ / 0-)

    We greatly appreciated Dr. Steinlight attending our event!  I found him to be a friendly, intelligent, thoughtful and a guy you can have a burger and a beer with oh, that's right we did.  Not a racist/bigoted bone in his body! Having experienced racism up North in Ohio where I was raised, I know it when I see it. No where in his speech was anyone offended including those of us of Spanish descent.            

    He provided the facts, data, historical perspective and a wealth of knowledge.  We were so impressed with him we arranged for him to be on a local broadcast radio show for two segments and on internet radio on RagingElephantsRadio.com.  By-the-way, the President and CEO of RagingElephantsRadio.com is Black.  

    We invited him as we have invited other illegal immigration experts in the past including Texas Border Volunteers (some are Hispanics) or local Law Enforcement officials (including Hispanics) who live in Brooks County, Texas (70 miles North of the border) which is a pathway for many illegal aliens to move North.   Most of the Land on the Texas border is privately owned.  Coyotes have abandoned the sick or injured along the way which has caused many deaths.  Many are from Countries that are not friendly to the U.S. We need the border secured!                                                

    Oh, this nonsense about the baseball bat was just a joke!  I know, I was there. The diverse audience including Hispanics took it as such as we were joking with him also.  It is ironic that no one here mentioned the killing of people here in the U.S. by illegal aliens including murder, traffic accidents, DUI and its impact on those families (http://theremembranceproject.org) but focus on a joke taken out of context in a video we made and posted.  

    There are many of us Americans of Spanish descent who want our borders secure, jobs for American citizens and Legal residents in all demographics (Blacks, women, teens, Hispanics, Military Veterans...in all States first before discussing a guest worker program. No Amnesty or pathway to citizenship for those that broke the law!  He was very well received at all three speaking events and we hope he returns again to Texas soon!

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