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A longtime peace and human rights activist arrested countless times, Franciscan Fr. Jerry Zawada has been removed from public ministry for concelebrating Mass with a woman priest in 2011. The letter removing the 76-year-old's public priestly faculties -- a copy of which NCR (National Catholic Reporter) obtained March 21 -- came from the Vatican's Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith, which reviewed documentation related to the Nov. 22, 2011, liturgy Zawada concelebrated with Roman Catholic Womanpriest Janice Sevre-Duszynska.

Speaking from the Wisconsin friary, Zawada said the letter "sent me for a loop," even though he anticipated a response at some point. "But nothing has changed in terms of my own commitment and belief" concerning women's ordination, he said, adding that they have only deepened.

Normally I do not make comments in religious diaries or discussions here at Daily Kos simply because I am not religiously committed to any religion, and because I know nothing of religion, just as I know almost about anything else. But when I see the Catholic church`s ongoing war against woman I take notice.

This is a picture of Roman Catholic Womanpriest Janice Sevre-Duszynska. It appears that she is persona non-grata in the vatican in Rome, as a letter sent to Franciscan Fr. Jerry Zawada clearly orders:

The letter removing the 76-year-old's public priestly faculties -- a copy of which NCR obtained March 21 -- came from the Vatican's Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith, which reviewed documentation related to the Nov. 22, 2011, liturgy Zawada concelebrated with Roman Catholic Womanpriest Janice Sevre-Duszynska.

"Having carefully examined the acts of the case, and the vota of the former Minister General and the Rev. Zawada's Provincial Superior, this Dicastery has decided to impose on Rev. Jerome Zawada, OFM, a life of prayer and penance to be lived within the Queen of Peace Friary in Burlington, Wisconsin," the letter states.

In addition, Zawada cannot present himself in public as a priest or celebrate the sacraments publicly; however, he can concelebrate Mass with other friars at the friary and in private.

Talk about the authoritarian Catholic regime of the Vatican against women in the church. It is not a well kept secret that the Rev. Jerome Zawada here in Milwaukee has always fought for the right of women to become priests in the Catholic church. He has also advocated for migrants' rights and immigration reform, making frequent trips to the U.S.-Mexico border.

In all, Zawada has served nearly five and a half years in prison. In an August 2006 interview with the University of Nevada-Las Vegas, he estimated he has been arrested "well over a hundred times maybe, maybe two hundred times," admitting he has lost count.

As I have said above, knowing nothing of the religions does not hide my knowledge that Nuns in the Catholic church serve as nothing other than pew fixtures with no rights to be priests or hold mass during church services.

Sevre-Duszynska was ordained in August 2008 a priest in the Association of Roman Catholic Women Priests. The participation of Roy Bourgeois in that ceremony led to his excommunication and eventual dismissal in November 2012 from the Maryknoll Fathers and Brothers. The next month, Jesuit Fr. Bill Brennan of Milwaukee had his priestly ministries removed by Milwaukee Archbishop Jerome Listeki for also participating in a liturgy with Sevre-Duszynska at SOA Watch.

I take note that Jesuit Fr. Bill Brennan of Milwaukee had his priestly ministries removed by Milwaukee Archbishop Jerome Listeki for also participating in a liturgy with Sevre-Duszynska at SOA Watch because of the hipocrisy of Listeki, who played a role in the cover-up of the numerous sexual abuse cases against children in Wisconsin and world wide as the Catholic church watched. I also think it is fair game to point out the crimes and sins of the Catholic church when pushing back on their war against woman priests and  Rev. Jerome Zawada here in Milwaukee.

Milwaukee archbishop Jerome Listecki on his cover-up in the sexual abuse against children warned the faithful to “prepare to be shocked” at the content of the documents, that their very faith might be shaken. He pleaded that people understand the “evolution of thinking” on sexual abuse of children since the 1970s. “Church leaders and other professionals tried their best to deal with the issue given the knowledge available at the time,” he said.

However, when prelates went to their lawyers before they went to the victims, when they agreed to pay millions for victim silence, when they lied by omission repeatedly in transferring priests without telling unaware pastors, congregations or even other bishops of the deep problems of the priests involved, one can only conclude that the bishops were engaged in a devolution of their understanding of the Gospel. And this has never been a secret. For the Catholic church to engage in its war against women in priesthood roles signifies the current mentality of that faith.

I just hope that Pope Francis makes this change and allow women into the priesthood, and perhaps I will someday return to church. As for the Rev. Jerome Zawada, I cannot admire more his radical views to his life sentence to prayer and penance, when he said:

"I don't mind the prayer part," Zawada told NCR Monday, "but when they called, when they say that I need to be spending time in penance, well, I'm not going to do penance for my convictions and the convictions of so many others, too."
"Even Pope Francis told Latin American religious not to worry about the congregation. Well, why should I worry, then?" Zawada asked.

As for what he will do next, Zawada said he plans to take it step by step and would like to visit his family in Indiana during Holy Week. From there, he said he feels "a strong hunger" toward migrants, prisoners and others on the bottom rung of the social ladder -- all groups he also considers "my family."

"Every single one of my dreams at night are dreams about living and sharing life with the poor, with people who are destitute, and I sense I have a strong calling for that," he said.

"I feel ready to move on," he said. "I want to move on and be able to take some risks. And I have to and I'm called to do so."

Originally posted to Ole Texan on Sat Mar 29, 2014 at 02:00 PM PDT.

Also republished by Street Prophets .

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  •  I think the Church will lift (18+ / 0-)

    the restrictions on male priests marrying before they allow women to become priests, especially since they allow Anglican and other Protestant ministers to convert and become Catholic priests and still bring their families along. That in itself would alleviate the growing priest shortage; I've known some men who have become Episcopal priests late in life in a career change.

    Still, from my experience in the Episcopal Church, women in the priesthood has brought a new dimension to both worship and leadership, a dimension that would probably be helpful to the Catholic Church as well. Women have served as CEOs of major corporations and as heads of state; it's time to stop treating them as if they're second class citizens in the eyes of God.

    There's only one rule that I know of, babies -- goddammit, you've got to be kind. -- Kurt Vonnegut

    by Cali Scribe on Sat Mar 29, 2014 at 02:22:41 PM PDT

    •  No lie. My husband and I were married (11+ / 0-)

      by a priest who'd been booted from the Catholic Church, and she brought an entirely new dimension of understanding to our relationship.

      It's hard to imagine anyone accepting or even respecting a Christianity in which women are second-class members of the Body Of Christ.

      Dick Cheney 2/14/10: "I was a big supporter of waterboarding"

      by Bob Love on Sat Mar 29, 2014 at 02:47:46 PM PDT

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    •  There's a huge problem to overcome (2+ / 0-)
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      before women can be ordained as Roman Catholic priests. I discuss it in my comment down thread explaining that ordination of only men is a matter of dogma, a principle of incontrovertible truth, not canon law like the current requirement of celibacy for all priests. Dogma is nigh unto impossible to change because of the requirements that must be met to change the Truth as it has been espoused for two millennia.

      •  Correct me if I'm wrong, I always thought that (1+ / 0-)
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        it was not dogma but could be changed if the Pope said so.

        Where are all the jobs, Boehner?

        by Dirtandiron on Sat Mar 29, 2014 at 03:26:36 PM PDT

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        •  If it's dogma, it's late-breaking dogma (5+ / 0-)

          because until the 10th century priests were routinely married. This decree wasn't put in place until then so there's no two millennia crap to fall back on. ONE millennia with it, one without.

          Ed FitzGerald for governor Of Ohio. Women's lives depend on it. http://www.edfitzgeraldforohio.com/

          by anastasia p on Sat Mar 29, 2014 at 03:51:42 PM PDT

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          •  Sorry, no. Celibacy for all priests isn't dogma, (2+ / 0-)
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            it is canon law and can be changed back as easily as it was instituted. The ordination of only men, on the other hand, is dogma going back to the very first Council of Nicaea in 325 AD. There will be no changing it in our lifetime because of the requirements that must be met to change what for two millennia was taught as The Truth.

        •  Sorry, that's wrong. It's dogma. (0+ / 0-)

          It was declared dogma in the First Council of Nicaea (325 AD) and further stated in the Council Laodicea (363-364 AD). It is accepted dogma in all Eastern and Oriental Orthodox churches as well as the Roman Catholic Church. Sorry, but the Pope couldn't institute a change even if he wanted to. He'd be immediately anathematized by his brother bishops, which, by the way, would not be without historical precedents.

    •  I'm utterly baffled (6+ / 0-)

      by why they consider the ordination of women to be one of the absolute worst things you can contemplate to the point where theologians and academics have lost their positions or their official right to speak simply for DISCUSSING it. And if you remember the case of the judgment of the American nuns last year, they were criticized by the Vatican for "wasting" too much time tending to those in need and not spending enough time proselytizing against abortion, marriage equality and THE ORDINATION OF WOMEN.

      It makes me wonder if the church's hierarchy isn't filled with mediocre men after of competition. Look how many people wee suggesting Sister Simone Campbell as the next pope after Pope Rat resigned.

      Ed FitzGerald for governor Of Ohio. Women's lives depend on it. http://www.edfitzgeraldforohio.com/

      by anastasia p on Sat Mar 29, 2014 at 03:50:06 PM PDT

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      •  Do you understand the difference between dogma, (6+ / 0-)

        non-dogmatic doctrine, and cannon law? The nature of the Trinity is dogma. Papal infallibility is a non-dogmatic doctrine. Punishment to a life of prayer and penance is the application of cannon law. The definition of dogma is "a principle of incontrovertible truth." The only one who get to decide what The Truth is in the Catholic Church is a full council of all of the bishops of the Catholic Church from all around the world in near unanimous agreement. That's a really high bar.

        The reason for the severity of Father Zawada's punishment is that he was countenancing heresey, no different than if he had been teaching that there was no such thing as the Trinity. You just can't do that and expect to go unpunished.

        Don't mistake my explanation as agreement with dogma on ordination. I'm simply trying to explain why women won't be ordained in the Roman Catholic or Orthodox churches within my lifetime.

  •  Thanks for telling this story, Ole Texan. (5+ / 0-)

    I hadn't seen any mention of it up to now and the struggle of women for the priesthood in the Catholic Church is one that interests me.  

    I've long since given up on the Church myself but I have lots of cousins who remain deeply engaged with it, several of whom are (or have been) priests and nuns. I honor the strength and determination of the struggle of the progressives among them for a more just and equal place in the Church.

    The good we secure for ourselves is precarious and uncertain, is floating in mid-air, until it is secured for all of us and incorporated into our common life. Jane Addams

    by Alice Olson on Sat Mar 29, 2014 at 02:26:37 PM PDT

  •  thank you OleTExan for this v. informative (3+ / 0-)

    and interesting diary.

    Boggles the mind!  But it always inspires me to hear of people of integrity who stand up to power.  The power that knocks the truth down, will eventually be taken down as well.

    Don't anyone hold their breath that this current pope will do anything to change this - either woman ordination or relax/remove celibacy requirement.... despite his so called 'liberal views' he is as staunchly conservative and anti woman as the rest of them.

    But it is heartening to hear about this priest and the others who have stood up to the power of the Vatican.  What an evil institution.

    "The corporate state’s repression, now on the brink of totalitarianism, would with the help of Christie, his corporate backers ... become a full-blown corporate fascism.' http://www.truthdig.com/report/item/the_trouble_with_chris_christie_20140112

    by SeaTurtle on Sat Mar 29, 2014 at 02:46:00 PM PDT

    •  oh one thing, Ole Texan, I sure would love (0+ / 0-)

      to read that article from which you got this information.... a link perhaps?  tx.

      "The corporate state’s repression, now on the brink of totalitarianism, would with the help of Christie, his corporate backers ... become a full-blown corporate fascism.' http://www.truthdig.com/report/item/the_trouble_with_chris_christie_20140112

      by SeaTurtle on Sat Mar 29, 2014 at 02:49:08 PM PDT

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      •  Very good request Sea Turtle (2+ / 0-)
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        click on the red link by the picture of the woman priest, You
        can read the whole story as it is written.

        Old men tell same old stories

        by Ole Texan on Sat Mar 29, 2014 at 03:38:27 PM PDT

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        •  thanks, OT, appreciate that (0+ / 0-)

          I thought that the caption referred to an article about the Woman Priest, Janice.... instead of an article about

          Longtime peace activist removed from ministry after concelebrating Mass with woman priest
          Once again thanks for this great diary.

          "The corporate state’s repression, now on the brink of totalitarianism, would with the help of Christie, his corporate backers ... become a full-blown corporate fascism.' http://www.truthdig.com/report/item/the_trouble_with_chris_christie_20140112

          by SeaTurtle on Sun Mar 30, 2014 at 08:26:53 AM PDT

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  •  Women priests in the Catholic Church... (1+ / 0-)
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    will not be seen in our lifetime. It's not a matter of canon law, like celibacy for all priests (not just monastics), it is dogma, like the nature of the Trinity. To change dogma you need an ecumenical council, a council of all the Roman Catholic bishops in the world, in which all of the attendees agree with the new Truth and accept the new paradigm. You might be able to change dogma when there is only a handful of dissenters, e.g. the Nestorians at the Council of Ephesus, but you have to have near universal agreement because, at the end of the day, dissenters will have to be anathematized, just like the Nestorians were. Now, how likely is it that all the Roman Catholic bishops alive today and all those who will be appointed over the next, say, twenty years will agree to change dogma on the ordination of women?

    And that, right there, is why no women will be ordained as Roman Catholic priests in our lifetime.

  •  question: was the ultimate source of this order (2+ / 0-)
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    holdovers from Benedict's hierarchy or did Francis OK this action?  Just wondering since it tends to make the RCC look even more petty and pettifogging than previously

  •  Screw the Vatican.. (3+ / 0-)

    ...and the catholic church overall. They've never gotten out of the 14th Century. What's next? Declaring heretics and burning at the stake?

    Why are these old dress-up queens so afraid of women?

    Despite Frankie's appeal, I'm not getting the vibe that ANYTHING is going to change.

    "Wealthy the Spirit which knows its own flight. Stealthy the Hunter who slays his own fright. Blessed is the Traveler who journeys the length of the Light."

    by CanisMaximus on Sat Mar 29, 2014 at 03:35:06 PM PDT

  •  Of course the priest was disciplined (5+ / 0-)

    It amazes me that people criticize a religion for sticking to the teachings of that religion.  Male priests are one of the basic, basic premises of that particular church, not open to debate in that church. And people are shocked that someone in that church who violated one of that church's basic teachings was reprimanded?  Would you be equally shocked if Muslims denounced an imam who denied Mohammed was a prophet?  Would you be equally shocked if Orthodox Jews denounced a rabbi who openly denounced Jewish dietary laws?  

    If you don't agree with a religion, don't be part of that religion.  As long as they don't try to impose their rules on people outside of their religion, I think it's horribly arrogant and self-centered to think I have some kind of right to tell somebody else which of their basic religious tenets they should or should not follow.  

    We live in a country where the free exercise of one's religion, as long as that religions "neither picks my pocket nor breaks my leg," as Jefferson said, is the constitutional right of every person in this country.  If you don't like the religion, don't practice it. As long as they "neither pick your pocket nor break your leg," it's really none of your business if someone else wants to enforce the rules of that religion within the bounds of that religion, which is what is going on here.

    And here's the problem with this kind of thing.  Something like 80% of the people in this country consider themselves religious in some way.  Things like this, on a Democratic blog, paint Democrats as anti-religious.  Someone reading this would get the idea that there's a lack of respect for religious beliefs among so-called "progressives." I say so-called because I always thought that being "progressive" meant that you had tolerance for others who may disagree with you on things like that -- beliefs that don't affect you, that don't "pick your pocket nor break your leg."  Do progressives only have tolerance for certain religious beliefs?  Do progressives have no tolerance for religious beliefs that differ from theirs?  That's the way to alienate a majority of voters in this country -- to make it clear that Democrats have no respect for religious beliefs they disagree with.  Shouldn't progressives say, as long as you "neither pick my pocket nor break my leg," as long as you don't actively hurt people, and as long as you don't try to impose your views on me, I respect your right to practice your religion on your terms, even if I disagree with your religion.  Isn't that the whole point of the First Amendment?

    I completely understand criticism of religions when they actively harm people, or even when they try to use the civil laws to impose their views on others.  But this is an instance of a particular religion essentially saying that people who denounce our basic, fundamental religious beliefs are not allowed to be leaders in our religion.  If we aren't part of that religion, it's not our place to criticize a religion for adhering to basic principles of that religion.  That's exactly what is going on here.  They would be hypocrites if they didn't take some kind of action here.  

    Really, someone reading Dkos sometimes might well get the idea that if you are religious, there's no room for you in the Democratic party.  I don't think that's the message people ought to be sending.

    •  Worth repeating: (5+ / 0-)
      I completely understand criticism of religions when they actively harm people, or even when they try to use the civil laws to impose their views on others.  

      But this is an instance of a particular religion essentially saying that people who denounce our basic, fundamental religious beliefs are not allowed to be leaders in our religion.

      This site often sorts out behaviors about who does and doesn't deserve to be called a leader of the Democratic party and even who should be considered a progressive.

      I've had numerous vigorous discussions with Catholic priests and even one with the local bishop (my priest was desperately trying to wave me off) about the role of women in the church.

      I don't practice my faith in the Catholic Church and haven't for years.

      But I left the Church because I couldn't abide by what the American Bishops were doing at the time. I did not stand up and demand that the Church abandon what it felt were its core principles. I disagree with  the ways in which it acts upon those core principles. So I was the one to leave.

      But I will state (and I'll take the flak for my statement) that a diarist who states this:

      because I know nothing of religion,
      while believing that a church should turn its back on its dogma  -- which as you, Coffeetalk, say directly harms no one -- really should rethink doing so.

      © grover


      So if you get hit by a bus tonight, would you be satisfied with how you spent today, your last day on earth? Live like tomorrow is never guaranteed, because it's not. -- Me.

      by grover on Sat Mar 29, 2014 at 06:37:07 PM PDT

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  •  No surprise here. (8+ / 0-)

    Celebrate mass with a woman, life sentence. Molest children and/or cover it up, promotion and celebration within the hierarchy. The Vatican needs more than a prettier face on its work, it needs to focus on what is important.

    I won't believe corporations are people until Texas executes one. Leo Gerard.

    by tgrshark13 on Sat Mar 29, 2014 at 04:24:42 PM PDT

  •  People leaving in droves, (3+ / 0-)

    donations way down, Church becoming increasing irrelevant due to the male hierarchy, women can't help revive and survive the Church.  History teaches us that schism is successful.  

    Everyone! Arms akimbo! 68351

    by tobendaro on Sat Mar 29, 2014 at 04:43:11 PM PDT

  •  Sister Simone Campbell is no pew fixture. (5+ / 0-)

    Nuns have had, and still have, different roles in the life of the Church and society. Some of them would be priests if it were open to them; many would not, or would not be personally suited for the work, though they would certainly welcome equal status and recognition of their contributions. I have an ex-nun in my family who would make a great priest, but I know plenty of nuns whose talents lie in other areas. Their actual work is not less worthy of respect just because an avenue is closed to them.

    Characterizing them as pew fixtures is adopting the misogyny of the Church in this regard, not fighting it. Unless you also considered nurses to be mere handmaidens for doctors when women were essentially barred from getting an M.D., don't diss the sisters. (Else beware the ruler!)

    I appreciate the info about Fr. Zawada, though. I commend him for taking his stand, even as I fully understand the (rather mild, it appears) disciplinary action. I suspect that the occasion for the concelebration

    during the 2011 SOA Watch, the annual protest of the U.S. Army School of the Americas, now known as the Western Hemisphere Institute for Security Cooperation
    and his other political activities may have been a bit more important than his speaking/acting out of turn on the gender issue (which annoys but does not threaten the hierarchy), but I'm just speculating.
    •  Villanova Rhodes, thank you (2+ / 0-)
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      very much for your comment that

      Sister Simone Campbell is no pew fixture
      At the beginning in writing this diary I wrote that I normally do not comment on religious discussions here at Daily Kos. I also said I knew nothing of religion. I meant that in the sense that I am not qualified to debate with the believers I am reading today.

      Out of respect to you and because your comment requires  what I consider a valid response, I made an exception today to clarify the intent of my comment to "pew fixtures".

      I was practically raised by Nuns as an incorregible child at around six years old as I have written in some diaries here. My comment as I recall Nuns is that I never have known them to be priests. I am familiar with what their role in the church is, believe me I know that much about religion.

      Characterizing them as pew fixtures is adopting the misogyny of the Church in this regard, not fighting it.
      I owe you an apology for not following up on my thinking as I wrote the pew sentence, but your quote of "misogyny of the church", whatever that means -- I will always think as I do about the Catholic church. And what I think is not pretty.

      The Nuns is another issue for me. I have never read or heard of world-wide sexual abuse of children by Nuns, I really haven`t.  I have no beef with them and never have so again I apologize to you for my comment towards them.

      And I thank you again for your comment.

      Old men tell same old stories

      by Ole Texan on Sun Mar 30, 2014 at 06:09:07 AM PDT

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      •  Thank you, Ole Texan. (0+ / 0-)

        I appreciate the response very much.

        The child sexual abuse situation is a complicated one to discuss here for a number of reasons, so I generally don't, but the nature of it actually differs quite a bit from era to era and country to country (the nature of the Church's role in the situation, that is, not the nature of the abuse and its wrongness). You're right that it is largely men implicated in that problem, especially in the U.S. Catholic Church.

        But the abuse of power knows no gender bounds. Where nuns have absolute power over the lives of ("sinful") girls and women, they can be equally ruthless -- the Magdalene laundries in Ireland are one example. Quite possibly this was exacerbated by their own mistreatment at the hands of church hierarchy, or parents who consigned them to "the nunnery" because they could not afford to feed them and needed the boys to work the farm. Regardless of the reason, most humans who are given power over other humans will eventually exercise that power and vent their own frustrations in negative and often vicious ways. The Stanford prison experiment tells us that much. (Even the moderation system here gives us a big hint.)

        I was lucky to have grown up in a family that considered nuns and priests to be human beings -- mainly young, Irish, and a little homesick in our case -- respected for their 24/7 service and devotion but not remotely akin to God-in-a-habit. Never having worshiped them, I can be appalled and disgusted by the criminal actions of some without feeling any more betrayed or wounded than I am by other criminals (though I understand why others are). Bank robbers seek out banks; pedophiles seek out concentrations of vulnerable children. Where the "priest as God" myth flourished, priests had some additional tools in their criminal toolkit, but they are not fundamentally different from the coach or bandleader. Coaches have our sports-worship in their kits.

        The hypocrisy and deception practiced by the employers of those criminals is quite another matter. At one level, they just acted as institutions always act -- to preserve the institution and the perquisites of upper management. But at another level, its understanding of sexuality and beliefs about sex roles, which for most of our history ranged from befuddled to perverse, contributed to the problem, and that's where the issue overlaps with your comments on the treatment of women, I think. Most fundamentally, as a management issue, it was inexcusable not to have the safeguards in place to curb those institution-preserving impulses in favor of the professed mission of the institution. I have great sympathy for many priests and nuns of the church, and very little for the organization that exploits the good ones and shields the bad.

        This is more than I wanted to get into, so I'll just say that I know how "incorrigible" boys were often treated in that institution (even when the intentions were good), and am glad to see that you survived it so well. Again, thanks for your response. Cheers.

        •  Villanova Rhodes, I normally (1+ / 0-)
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          check my diaries days after they disappear from the board. Your extensive comment is the reason, one that always catches my attention and require my response out of respect.

          Your expertise in what you write once again jolted my mind with your mention of the Magdalene laundries in Ireland, an issue that I purposed avoided to get away from what I have known -- that priest pedophiles goes back centuries to Ireland and surrounding Catholic  churches world wide and have not concentrated mainly in this country.

          However, I have learned in my time here at Daily Kos that writing about religion is akin to writing against Democrats. I mean that in the sense of how sensitive some folks are to their religions, akin to their politicians. Offense if taken very quick when someone mention the sins of the Catholic church through the ages and to be fair, I try to stay away from hurting anyone`s feelings.

          You strike me as someone who I would really enjoy having discussions on these issues that you write about, unfortunately, as I have said this is not the place as I see it. I normally do not go around checking writers profiles but admittedly do so when my antennas bleep to know who I (speak) to.

          What I find is that you have been educated on what you write about by time and your elders, which are two of the most valid educators that I know of. I thank you sincerely for sharing with me such knowledge and expertise. I just wish I could continue to tell you of other issues that I treasure but unfortunately seem to be taboo here. I speak of re-incarnation. Priests and Nuns alike would punish me as a child for not abiding to their beliefs that a God would forbid me to be re-born and enter his Kingdom if I did not repent and be allowed to be converted into their teachings.

          I took up reading and following the teachings of re-incarnation early in life, but here in this website I remain silent, the same as I do with religion.

          Old men tell same old stories

          by Ole Texan on Mon Mar 31, 2014 at 06:49:09 AM PDT

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  •  The senior rabbi of my orthodox synagogue (4+ / 0-)
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    Rabbi Avi Weiss, has ordained four women.

    http://www.jns.org/...

    A lot of folks are trying to run Rabbi Weiss out of orthodox Judaism. Here is one example:

    http://rabbipruzansky.com/...

  •  This child of missionaries is always delighted (1+ / 0-)
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    OleHippieChick

    when a religion forcibly reminds its adherents that they must faithfully treat a majority of the human species as second class citizens. If one's supreme being requires that, one is worshiping a demon, not a god. And that disgusting shit started with Paul (women obey your husbands) so don't blame it on later dogma.
    I am bitterly amused when progressives, who should know better, fall for the lies and smarmy hollow gestures of the current P.R. savvy poop. All those grand words and fake exhortations to his fellow bishops about being for the poor. I'll believe it when Francis gives away the Vatican's Mussolini Trust Fund to the poor.
    Has he excommunicated any pedophile priests yet? Or is he instead waiting for Jesus to give them a millstone necklace and drown them? My own parents are posthumously fortunate there is no hell, otherwise they would surely be there now, according to their own preaching.

    Enough fossil fuel remains on Earth to warm it 6 degrees C by 2100 AD if it is all used. A +6 C planet will only sustain half a billion humans. Human population will rise to 9 billion by 2050. Any questions?

    by davidincleveland on Sat Mar 29, 2014 at 10:34:57 PM PDT

  •  God chooses the priest. (0+ / 0-)

    Not you guys.
    I don't care how prestigious your organization is, nor how high your position.
    It's not for you to categorically limit God.

    Put that in your Vatican pipes and smoke it.

    Sure once I was young and impulsive, I wore every conceivable pin. Even went to socialist meetings, learned all the old union hymns. Ah, but I've grown older and wiser. And that's why I'm turning you in. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u52Oz-54VYw

    by SouthernLiberalinMD on Sun Mar 30, 2014 at 11:07:42 AM PDT

  •  To quote Judy Tenuta, another former Catholic: (0+ / 0-)

    (sarcastically) "Sorry I left!"

    Thank God, the Bob Fosse Kid is here! - Colin Mochrie

    by gardnerhill on Sun Mar 30, 2014 at 04:50:52 PM PDT

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