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So with Global Warming: I don't think it will destroy the planet. I do think humans will come through in the end. Furthermore, I think the rich will be the ones who do it but we'll see. I say this because in the end the wealthy care about two things, losing their money... and their lives. As such once they realize environmental catastrophes are not cost effective and they destroy the planet they will likely work to fix them.

Basically the problem is these disasters need to affect the wealthy. As the wealthy live in such a bubble, the vast population will be greatly destroyed first before the wealthy are affected at all. They can end up in bunkers and they'll manage to survive however they manage to, they can afford it. Once the wealthy start getting screwed they'll stop, but this takes time. Time, for some, is a luxury.

So in the end humanity will survive. The question though is just one of how much of it. If the public can mount serious offense to the status-quo, get organized and realize that all of us, including our children and their children, are fucked or saved by what WE do NOW there is potential. Otherwise the question just comes down to...

How many of us are left to live on whatever is left of the planet?

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  •  Half. (0+ / 0-)

    Trust, but verify. - Reagan
    Vote, but Occupy. - commonmass

    When the rich have tripled their share of the income and wealth yet again, Republicans will still blame the poor and 3rd Way Democrats will still negotiate.

    by Words In Action on Fri Apr 11, 2014 at 10:51:17 PM PDT

    •  Much more than half... (1+ / 0-)
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      Words In Action

      ...by 2150. Depends on whether China, Pakistan and India exchange nukes over the remaining water from the Tibetan Plateau.

      If that happens, maybe a few million will be left in pockets.

      "Wealthy the Spirit which knows its own flight. Stealthy the Hunter who slays his own fright. Blessed is the Traveler who journeys the length of the Light."

      by CanisMaximus on Fri Apr 11, 2014 at 11:58:37 PM PDT

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  •  Oh, the planet will be fine (2+ / 0-)
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    art ah zen, Ashaman

    In a brief time (for a planet) everything will settle down to a new equilibrium. A few thousand years or a few hundred thousand years. Less than a million years anyway. That's nothing for a planet.

    In the meantime we will be gone. Perhaps for a while there will still be some pockets of homo so-called sapiens left, scratching out a living from whatever is left. But our civilization will have collapsed. Because, our culture is made up of many interdependent parts, a real house o' cards. And when they start giving out, the parts that rely on them will also collapse. This is already beginning to happen.

    This thing we call human civilization is only about 8000 years old. That's maybe 5% of the history of homo so-called sapiens. For the preceding 95% we lived differently, and it was a stable way of life. Then humans went down this other path and traded long term stability for short term advantage. Or rather, one human tribe went down this other path, gained a short term advantage and used it to conquer all the other tribes in turn, lather rinse repeat and here we are. It didn't work.

    No worries, that's how it is with nature. Evolve, mutate, see if it confers some advantage. Usually it doesn't. The fossil record is full of species that didn't work. They aren't around any more, and soon we won't be either. Perhaps, in the same way dinosaurs became birds, our species will survive in some radically changed form. But that will take millions of years.

    In nature, the coin of the realm is how long your genes survive. Homo so-called sapiens has lasted, oh call it a quarter million years. Not very long as species go. So, arguably, not terribly successful as a species.

    There is a case to be made that intelligence is a negative indicator to long term species survival. Bacteria, cockroaches, ants, all sorts of 'unintelligent' species have been around way longer than we have, and will likely be here long after we are gone. Which won't be too long at the rate we are fouling our nest.

    Time, as always, will tell.

  •  the rich may survive (1+ / 0-)
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    some other george

    initially but they are children of technology and i do not think they are up to surviving the loss of it in the long term.  the planet will shake us all off like fleas and set about her natural path of recovery.  as stated by "some other george", we are not a very successful species.  we have poisoned the planet, are destroying the climate, and are way over the population quota.  creatures who live like this are on the road to extinction because their live style is not sustainable.  

    "so long, and thanks for all the fish!"

    "I am an old woman, named after my mother. my old man is another child who's grown old." John Prine (not an old woman)

    by art ah zen on Sat Apr 12, 2014 at 07:53:58 AM PDT

  •  Actually, this has happened before... (1+ / 0-)
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    dsb

    According to theories I have read, we've had at least two massive human die-off events in the past, once through a mass extinction event caused by volcano eruption that cooled and darkened the earth tens of thousands thousands of years ago, and then again a big die-off during  the last great Ice Age. The first event, according to the theories I've read, really formed us as a cooperative, innovative and intelligent species, because those who did not have those skills did not survive. The second event required humans to enhance skills and tools for building shelters, clothing, cooking and preserving foods, etc., for survival in a hostile environment.

    Guess I'd better get my sources pinned down and make a longer diary of this... maybe when school's out... I read about six books on early humans last semester when I was on leave, but now I'm back in the classroom again.

  •  We will be hard pressed to survive to 2100 (0+ / 0-)

    by 2035 we will have lost our coasts and be at 1 ° C
    by 2050 we will have lost the tropics and be at 2 ° C
    by 2100 we will have lost our civilization and be at 4 ° C

    Sea level rise will destroy 90% of cities globally and with their infrastructure will go communications and control, the ability to maintain governments, commerce, education, communications, utilities, food production, distribution to stores, any pretense of employment and an economy.

    Species extinctions will leave us with nothing to eat except eachother

    With an end to cheap fossil fuels alternative energy won't be sufficient to allow life as we know it to continue

    the oceans and rainforests will die, methane hydrates will be released at 1000 times the predicted rate, our atmosphere will become unbreathable.

    On top of that will come plague and opportunistic disease, pestilence, famine, resource wars, and a general lawlessness.

    Live Free or Die --- Investigate, Incarcerate

    by rktect on Thu Apr 17, 2014 at 05:31:49 PM PDT

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