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The New York Times article speaks for itself.

Over the weekend, armed men in masks robbed the homes of several of the 150 Roma families in Slovyansk, demanding gold and money and telling the Roma that they should leave town. “They pointed a gun at me and said: ‘Where is your gold? Where is your money?’ ” Natasha Cheripovskaya, 45, said in an interview in her ransacked living room.

About a dozen masked men entered the house on Friday, she said, and stayed for about two hours, holding her and a granddaughter at gunpoint. The men, she said, told her that the new authorities in the town had decided that “ ‘we will resettle you outside the town. You aren’t needed here.’ ” The men fired bullets through windows and shot and killed the family’s dog, which was barking, leaving a bloodstain in the yard, she said.

“The neighbors saw it all but were afraid to say anything,” she said.

Ms. Cheripovskaya said seven of the town’s Roma families had been attacked. She decided to leave immediately with her husband, six children and eight grandchildren, who were packing belongings in three cars through the afternoon Sunday.

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Mr. Ponomaryov, the “people’s mayor,” told journalists that the attacks on the Roma were not motivated by ethnic hatred but an effort by his men to rid the town of drug traffickers, who he said were Roma. “There were no attacks on Roma as such,” he said. “We are cleansing the town of narcotics.”

Hopefully no one at Daily Kos will try to defend this as really having been an anti-drug operation.

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  •  Regressing to this point (7+ / 0-)

    After all the history is saddening.

  •  That's a clear propaganda piece by the NYT. (4+ / 0-)

    "Fragmented and confused, we have no plan to combat any of this, but are looking to be saved by the very architects of our ruination."

    by BigAlinWashSt on Mon Apr 21, 2014 at 09:58:42 PM PDT

    •  Uh... yes... because it is original reporting (2+ / 0-)
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      OIL GUY, ER Doc
      •  No reporter cited, (5+ / 0-)

        The NYT hasn't seen fit to send one to the Ukraine,

        All the other summaries at least cite the other media outlets making the claim,

        And if you do a google search on the keywords and cited "victim" names, it's a plagerization of a Unsubstantiated Ukriniform State Media article.

        If you do an ethic survey search, of the region, you will find that in 2012, only 27 people identified as Roma, ( the Nazi's and Ukrainian Nationalists did a real number on them between 1920 and 1944, killing about 99% of the Roma in the region),

        And if you do a white pages search, you will find that the one named victim, doesn't 't even have a phone, or address.

        Probably half of the people on this site, are "sophisticated" consumers of propaganda, after all, we have been fed the best propaganda in the world, all our lives.

        While the NYT tried to slip that propaganda into the middle of a he said/she said, article, where every other point was cited, with out cites,

        Cutting and pasting that one section, Dude, lame, really, really lame, sloppy and stupid.

        •  The reporter is Andrew E Kramer. (5+ / 0-)

          That's why his name is in the byline. Another Times reporter contributed some reporting from Moscow.

          The Times didn't make this up. It actually happened. The piece is a straight up, old fashioned, just the facts maam report from a journalist who is on the scene gathering evidence of what occurred.

          Here's my take on it - the revolution will not be blogged, it has to be slogged. - Deoliver47

          by OIL GUY on Mon Apr 21, 2014 at 11:01:23 PM PDT

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        •  The NYT cites its own reporter. (6+ / 0-)
          No reporter cited,
          The NYT hasn't seen fit to send one to the Ukraine,
          Then you've got a nifty scandal here because the byline on the article is ANDREW E. KRAMER and the dateline on the article is Donetsk.  Do you have any evidence for your claim?  Or should we just assume the NYT is lying about where their reporter is because they are the NYT?
          And if you do a google search on the keywords and cited "victim" names, it's a plagerization of a Unsubstantiated Ukriniform State Media article.
          Evidence please?  When I search on "Natasha Cheripovskaya" all I get is the NYT article and references to it.
          News for "Natasha Cheripovskaya"
          Russia Accuses Kiev of Flouting Ukraine Accord
          New York Times ‎- 1 hour ago
          Natasha Cheripovskaya, 45, said in an interview in her ransacked living room. About a dozen masked men entered the house on Friday, she ...
          More news for "Natasha Cheripovskaya"
          Daily Kos :: Recent
          www.dailykos.com/section/Diary/1‎
          Daily Kos
          Natasha Cheripovskaya, 45, said in an interview in her ransacked living room. About a dozen masked men entered the house on Friday, she said, and stayed for ...
          Peace and Freedom | Policy and World Ideas
          johnib.wordpress.com/‎
          Natasha Cheripovskaya, 45, said in an interview in her ransacked living room. About a dozen masked men entered the house on Friday, she said, and stayed for ...
          If you do an ethic survey search, of the region, you will find that in 2012, only 27 people identified as Roma, ( the Nazi's and Ukrainian Nationalists did a real number on them between 1920 and 1944, killing about 99% of the Roma in the region),
          And if you do a white pages search, you will find that the one named victim, doesn't 't even have a phone, or address.
          I notice you do not provide cites or any evidence on how the survey collected information.  Given the poverty of Roma in Eastern Europe I am not at all surprised if a Roma family does not have a fixed line phone.
        •  Do you read Russian? (2+ / 0-)
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          allie4fairness, unfangus

          Just out of curiosity.  It's a clear misspelling in the NYTimes article - both the first and last name are common ones, but you have to search for Cherepovskaya.  I found a bunch of people by that name in Eastern Ukraine.

          It's possible the events are being exaggerated (à la the alleged Jewish memorandum a few days ago), but Russian media is reporting the same thing, so ease up on the trigger there.  

          Just because the US has a sophisticated propaganda apparatus doesn't mean that the information is false.  (Same holds true for Russian media.)  Caveat lector, of course.

          Saint, n. A dead sinner revised and edited. - Ambrose Bierce

          by pico on Mon Apr 21, 2014 at 11:32:48 PM PDT

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  •  They cite their own reporter (3+ / 0-)
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    subtropolis, FarEasterner, ER Doc
    No reporter cited,
    The NYT hasn't seen fit to send one to the Ukraine,
    Then you've got a nifty scandal here because the byline on the article is ANDREW E. KRAMER and the dateline on the article is Donetsk.  Do you have any evidence for your claim?  Or should we just assume the NYT is lying about where their reporter is because they are the NYT?
    And if you do a google search on the keywords and cited "victim" names, it's a plagerization of a Unsubstantiated Ukriniform State Media article.
    Evidence please?  When I search on "Natasha Cheripovskaya" all I get is the NYT article and references to it.
    News for "Natasha Cheripovskaya"

    Russia Accuses Kiev of Flouting Ukraine Accord
    New York Times ‎- 1 hour ago
    Natasha Cheripovskaya, 45, said in an interview in her ransacked living room. About a dozen masked men entered the house on Friday, she ...
    More news for "Natasha Cheripovskaya"
    Daily Kos :: Recent
    www.dailykos.com/section/Diary/1‎
    Daily Kos
    Natasha Cheripovskaya, 45, said in an interview in her ransacked living room. About a dozen masked men entered the house on Friday, she said, and stayed for ...
    Peace and Freedom | Policy and World Ideas
    johnib.wordpress.com/‎
    Natasha Cheripovskaya, 45, said in an interview in her ransacked living room. About a dozen masked men entered the house on Friday, she said, and stayed for ...

    If you do an ethic survey search, of the region, you will find that in 2012, only 27 people identified as Roma, ( the Nazi's and Ukrainian Nationalists did a real number on them between 1920 and 1944, killing about 99% of the Roma in the region),

    And if you do a white pages search, you will find that the one named victim, doesn't 't even have a phone, or address.

    I notice you do not provide cites or any evidence on how the survey collected information.  Given the poverty of Roma in Eastern Europe I am not at all surprised if a Roma family does not have a fixed line phone.
  •  Russian/Pro-Russian occupied Slavyansk is (5+ / 0-)

    becoming a lawless town, much like Crimea did when all the Russian Cossacks swarmed in.

    Not really surprised by this, tbh. This self-appointed mayor probably is a racist and homophobe of the highest order.  He loves using the term faggot a lot, that much is sure.  Here's the latest example, in a tweet from Vice News' Simon Ostrovsky:

    Simon Ostrovsky ‏@SimonOstrovsky  Apr 20
    If [Avakov] comes here I'll personally put a bullet in his head... I won't shake hands with a faggot. Sloviansk's new Pro-Russia mayor
    https://twitter.com/...

    The Ukrainian Govt. is in a real dilemma here - they can't remove these people, who are armed to the teeth and have killed already, without serious bloodshed occurring... and if bloodshed occurs, Russia has its pretext for a full-scale invasion of the region.

    "A candle loses nothing by lighting another candle" - Mohammed Nabbous, R.I.P.

    by Lawrence on Mon Apr 21, 2014 at 11:09:21 PM PDT

  •  I just read a report from a journalist who (4+ / 0-)

    interviewed the last remaining member of Roma community in Slavyansk. The rest already left. Judging from the rhetoric of these guys, Ukrainians and Jews (assuming that there are any in Slavyansk) are next. Unless they are kicked out of there first, of course.

  •  reporters on the ground (2+ / 0-)
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    Lawrence, ER Doc

    Michael Ostrovsky and cameraman Freddy have been covering events in Ukraine for VICE News. (omg that's almost CIA spelled backwards!)

    http://www.youtube.com/...

    I didn't embed so that y'all can run back through the playlist at whim. There's lots of good stuff there, much of it hair-raising.

    Begin here for the 1st of 23 parts (at this posting):

    http://www.youtube.com/...

    All things in the sky are pure to those who have no telescopes. – Charles Fort

    by subtropolis on Mon Apr 21, 2014 at 11:41:38 PM PDT

  •  Ethnic cleansing of Roma is rampant throughout (4+ / 0-)

    Eastern European countries since the fall of the Soviet Union.

    The new ethnic cleansing: This disturbing dispatch from Eastern Europe reveals how racism exploited by politicians is driving thousands of Roma to flee to Britain
    28 December 2013

    ‘The bus conductors tear up our paid tickets and throw us off into the streets. Last week, an ambulance driver bringing the body of an old gipsy man back from the hospital morgue in readiness for his funeral at our church refused to enter our ghetto.

    ‘The dead man’s family had to collect the corpse from the ambulance parked down the road.

    ‘The racists are making life terrible. They are trying to chase us out of the country. Under communism, we were treated as equals. We had jobs  and houses. But now many politicians call us dirt.’

    Marek fears for gipsies in Slovakia and other former communist bloc countries. His family is just one of many turning their eyes towards Britain, Germany, France, Belgium and Spain.

    The result is that we are witnessing a significant exodus of people from the East — an insidious form of ethnic cleansing for which tolerant, liberal democracies such as Germany and Britain are picking up the bill.

    Among them are thousands of  Slovakian, Hungarian and Czech Roma. They are legally entitled to live in the UK because their nations of origin are already in the EU, giving them rights to work and claim benefits in other member countries.
    ...
    Ionca, like so many other Roma, remembers better days. ‘When Bulgaria was communist, I had a job cleaning every day in a medical clinic. Life was cheaper and everyone, even us gipsies, had food.

    Some of the 12 million Roma in central and eastern Europe have been fire-bombed, raped and murdered

    ‘The state looked after us and made sure gipsies were treated the same as the other non-Roma people. We were not despised then.’

    But those times are long gone. The story is the same in Slovakia.

    In Kosice, there is a huge Roma ghetto in what is called Lunik IX, a housing estate of high-rise blocks on the fringes of the city.

    Under communism, it was a mixed community with houses allocated to the families of army officers, bureaucrats and gipsies. The aim was to integrate the Roma and treat them like anyone else.

    But in the early Nineties, as Slovakia embraced democracy, problems quickly developed.
    ...
    Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/...
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  •  Congratulations Beelzebubs Brass Bs (3+ / 0-)
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    BigAlinWashSt, unfangus, ChadmanFL

    Googling "ethnically cleansing ukraine roma" brings up your diary as first hit.

    You are #1 in catapulting the bullshit.

    •  I believe he is basing that conclusion on this: (2+ / 0-)
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      Lawrence, Hey338Too
      Mr. Ponomaryov, the “people’s mayor,” told journalists that the attacks on the Roma were not motivated by ethnic hatred but an effort by his men to rid the town of drug traffickers, who he said were Roma. “There were no attacks on Roma as such,” he said. “We are cleansing the town of narcotics.”

      Most of the people taking a hard line against us are firmly convinced that they are the last defenders of civilization... The last stronghold of mother, God, home and apple pie and they're full of shit! David Crosby, Journey Thru the Past.

      by Mike S on Tue Apr 22, 2014 at 02:32:13 AM PDT

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      •  That's not exactly a good description of (1+ / 0-)
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        ChadmanFL

        "ethnically cleansing ukraine roma". It sounds more like the American "cleaning the neighborhood from drug pushers".

        •  Actually it is like America cleaning the (0+ / 0-)

          Neighborhood of Hispanics because they are "drug pushers."

          Most of the people taking a hard line against us are firmly convinced that they are the last defenders of civilization... The last stronghold of mother, God, home and apple pie and they're full of shit! David Crosby, Journey Thru the Past.

          by Mike S on Tue Apr 22, 2014 at 10:33:49 AM PDT

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  •  Could just be simple banditry. (1+ / 0-)
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    unfangus

    The Roma are just the easiest victims, since they have few friends and law and order have largely broken down.

  •  Anti-Roma prejudice is incredibly widespread... (0+ / 0-)

    Anti-Roma prejudice is incredibly widespread... When we visited my step-son's Ukrainian fiance last August, before all the trouble started, she was genuinely afraid to look a Roma street peddler in the eye because, "She'll cast a spell on you and make you give her your money." My 22-year-old stepdaughter said, What? Is she a witch?" as we walked on & she was staring back at the woman. We had to explain that, no, she was a Gypsy, and Vilena's parents had taught her to be afraid of them.

    -7.25, -6.26

    We are men of action; lies do not become us.

    by ER Doc on Tue Apr 22, 2014 at 02:07:31 PM PDT

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