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(Okay, maybe not the entire history of sports, with the heroic actions of Jesse Owens, Jackie Robinson, Larry Doby, Jack Johnson, Althea Gibson and so many others who paved the way for the integration of sports. But at least in this new century...)

With the happenings of the past 72 hours, it would be easy to think that I am referring to one of the many responses to the newly released but unsurprising alleged racist musings of LA Clippers owner Donald Sterling. If I were simply referring to a good response, I'd have plenty to choose from -- from the words of President Obama, to Doc Rivers, to the normally-notoriously-quiet-on-these-matters Michael Jordan.

I could be referring to the black socks and/or accessories worn by several teams as protest after initially writing off the idea as "radical", instead choosing to make a show of solidarity. I could be referring to the creative messages displayed by fans at stadiums. Or, I could be talking about the beautiful symbolic move by the Clippers as they removed their team gear and piled it at half-court during warmups, which brought tears to the eyes of more than one sports fan.

But as important as each of those responses is in its own way -- and many could and have argued that much more should have been done -- they are all just the beginning of what will ultimately be done in this story.

No, I'm not talking about anything having to do with Donald Sterling, the LA Clippers, or the NBA. Across the Atlantic Ocean this weekend, the ugly head of racism once again reared its head in the world's most popular sport.

The sad thing is that the target of this racist act has faced it often before. In fact, Barcelona's Dani Alves called fighting racism "a lost war" after being the target of monkey chants during a match at Real Madrid in the last year. But Sunday, when he was targeted by Villareal supporters, he won the battle in the best way possible.

When racist fans throw a banana at him before a corner kick, Alves clearly bends down, peels the banana ... and eats it, before kicking the ball and resuming play as if nothing happened. What was meant as a cruel gesture was deflated by a moment of humor and the clear statement that racism would not beat Dani Alves. After the game, Alves said about the incident:

"We have suffered this in Spain for some time. You have to take it with a dose of humor. We aren't going to change things easily. If you don't give it importance, they don't achieve their objective."
I would submit that Alves did much more than "[not] give it importance". Alves did the absolute worst (best!) thing we can do to racists: he took the power away from the racist fan, and made that fan look like the trite and pathetic fool he is. (It's worth noting that moments later he lofted a cross that resulted in a goal off the head of a teammate, adding injury to insult toward the offending fans.)

We have much too far to go when it comes to eradicating racism in society. But on weekends like this, when we are able to face it for what it is, discuss it openly, and even get a few wins, I'm able to hold on to the sometimes too-distant hope that just maybe my grandchildren will actually get to see Dr. King's dream fulfilled.

Originally posted to newinfluence on Mon Apr 28, 2014 at 02:07 AM PDT.

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    by newinfluence on Mon Apr 28, 2014 at 02:07:57 AM PDT

  •  I am not sure we will ever run out of humans (12+ / 0-)

    who are antagonistic towards their own kind because their own instincts drive them to jealousy, greed and wrath for no good reason. Let's not forget that Cain slew Abel out of sibling rivalry. It may be a default situation that guarantees the survival of people who aren't too smart.
    Perhaps the reason the Creator just marked Cain and sent him off into the wilderness was because He realized he shouldn't have given preference to Abel's gifts.
    Sibling rivalry is a very primitive impulse. Carried to the extreme it results in cannibalism. Capitalism, I would argue, is cannibalism in symbolic form, or sublimated, if you will. The prey is still destroyed but, for the most part, bloodlessly. So, the predator can go on his way muttering "there but for the grace of God go I."

    http://hannah.smith-family.com

    by hannah on Mon Apr 28, 2014 at 02:21:54 AM PDT

    •  I am sure you are right, but... (5+ / 0-)
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      ...I hold out hope that the division of race and ethnicity isn't something that drives that antagonism, particularly in Western nations that think themselves enlightened.

      No, you can't fix stupid. You OUTNUMBER stupid. -Wildthumb, 1/10/2013

      by newinfluence on Mon Apr 28, 2014 at 02:41:55 AM PDT

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    •  The predator mutters, "Am I my brother's keeper?" (3+ / 0-)
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      To put the torture behind us is, inevitably, to put it in front of us.

      by UntimelyRippd on Mon Apr 28, 2014 at 06:09:46 AM PDT

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    •  Xenophobia (0+ / 0-)

      It's a beneficial adaptation.  I'm sure we could find a nice long list of species adaptations that became a negative trait after a while.  

      Streichholzschächtelchen

      by otto on Mon Apr 28, 2014 at 08:01:30 AM PDT

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    •  I hope that you realize, (5+ / 0-)

      That Cain and Abel are characters in a story, they weren't real people.

      •  You know this for a fact? (0+ / 0-)

        This is what I don't get:

        Just because people don't believe the literal texts of the stories from the Bible doesn't also mean the people in them didn't exist.

        You don't have to believe Jesus turned water into wine to believe that Jesus the person lived.

        There is no "path" to choose. The path is what is behind you that led you to today. What lies in front of you is not a fork in the road - a choice of paths to take, but rather an empty field for you to blaze your own direction.

        by cbabob on Mon Apr 28, 2014 at 10:20:40 AM PDT

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        •  fact or fiction: Deucalion and Pyrrha were real (1+ / 0-)
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          see, we just don't know. We can't conclusively state that they didn't exist, that anything we might say about them did happen or didn't happen.

          Dear NSA: I am only joking.

          by Shahryar on Mon Apr 28, 2014 at 10:54:42 AM PDT

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        •  more likely (0+ / 0-)

          cain and abel represented two different neighboring tribes, and was used by Tribe Abel to justify murdering Tribe Cain because, hell, those guys INVENTED murder.

          What do the Defend-NSAers-at-any-cost hope for society to gain from Snowden turning himself in and standing trial? I suspect it'll be a cold day in hell before any of them finally give a reasonable, coherent answer to that question.

          by happymisanthropy on Mon Apr 28, 2014 at 12:55:23 PM PDT

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          •  Or Cain and Abel were different species (2+ / 0-)
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            Cro-Magnon and Neanderthal, the latter being named Abel.

            Or it was an excuse to murder one's fellow man.

            Or it was a lesson to not be envious and murder one's fellow man.

            Take your choice.
            I was in a different part of the world in the early bronze age. ;)

        •  um, no. Cain and Abel, as in the sons of the (5+ / 0-)

          "first man and woman" most certainly didn't exist. The story might be based on an actual instance of fratricide in the dim past but that hardly makes "Cain and Abel", as described in scripture, a reality.

          Nothing human is alien to me.

          by WB Reeves on Mon Apr 28, 2014 at 01:08:31 PM PDT

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        •  Historical Record (2+ / 0-)
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          Hi, cbabob, some of us just want historical evidence for the existence of characters in what is supposed to be a holy script and a guide to living a good life.  I've read the Bible, and the story of Cain and Abel was one of the many instances when I had to put it down in disgust and take a break.  The god in this story preferred the blood sacrifice over the offering of agricultural produce.  That isn't a god I want to spend my life worshiping. That being said, if I'm to believe that this story happened, I would need historical records of the people in that story.  Otherwise, the whole shebang is just another book of mythology, which I believe it is.  

          I don't believe that Ymir the giant cow licked the first man out of a frozen lump of sea ice either.  So there, Odin!

    •  Cain (0+ / 0-)

      This was overall an excellent analogy but I disagree on behalf of the descendants of Cain. Namely Noah. Maybe the "default situation" was not the 'people that wasn't to smart'. It may have been those that fell down a sinner and whose mother and father were sinners and got up a saint. The greatest sin was the knowledge of sin by Adam and Eve. The sin that guaranteed we would feel the pain of death. "a saint is just a sinner who fell down, and got up". Cain was not a lesser man. God tested him and he fell. And got up under the protection of God. "any man that will slay Cain would be cursed 7 times, (7 generations). Because of Cain the world came to know the Great Worker of the soil and with the hands, Noah.

    •  There are lots of good people too, and this was a (0+ / 0-)

      class act.  Of course, since it was soccer no one in the US cares. OR should care.  Soccer is a lot of fun to play with your family and friends, but to watch a pro game?  They spend most of their time doing safe kicks waiting for an attack that occurs rarely and goes so fast you can only see what happened in replays.  

  •  Back in "The Day" a lot of truth was spoken (14+ / 0-)

    carefully wrapped as humor.  Back in the Bad Old Days of Hollywood, the only roles available to minorities were Step 'n Fetchit and "Auntie" roles.  Only the perseverance of pioneering minority actors managed to ultimately break the color line.

    I note this as some were denounced as "traitors" because they accepted such roles.  One of the classic examples is "Amos and Andy"
    http://en.wikipedia.org/...
    I note it is based on minstrel show traditions but still afforded actors a chance to give a human face to the comedic characters displayed there.  A short clip is here
    https://www.youtube.com/...

    and even to introduce otherwise taboo topics to the general public

    •  "A lot of truth was spoken (28+ / 0-)

      carefully wrapped as humor."

      Spot on.

      Winston Churchill once said that in time of war "truth walks around surrounded by a bodyguard of lies." He was referring to military secrets, war plans, etc.

      But since those days I would tweak what he said to what you pointed to like this:

      "In time of oppression, truth walks around guarded by a bodyguard of jokes."

      Witness the fight for racial equality that lived underground in double entendre jokes. Note the "breakthrough" of "All in the Family" that enabled America to creep ahead of Archie Bunker's (widespread) prejudices by laughter.

      Witness the barbed wit that came from Eastern Europe during the Iron Curtain days. ("Communism means they pretend to pay us and we pretend to work.")

      Witness in our day the beacon of hope given by Jon Stewart and Stephen Colbert in the darkest days of the Cheney-Bush regime.

      The truth is out there, walking the earth, protected by bodyguards....

      Shalom.

      "God has given wine to gladden the hearts of people." Psalm 104:15

      by WineRev on Mon Apr 28, 2014 at 05:09:33 AM PDT

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    •  Hattie McDaniel (3+ / 0-)
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      famously said, I'd rather play the maid than be the maid.  She faced a lot of criticism (unfairly, I would argue) during her career.

      •  A lot of people fail to appreciate the conditions (3+ / 0-)

        under which people like McDaniel operated.

        The ugly truth is that no black person in the US at the time could achieve and maintain public success without compromising with the edicts of White Supremacy.  

        She was the smartest character in Gone With the Wind. Smarter than Rhett Butler, since she saw right through Scarlett.

        Nothing human is alien to me.

        by WB Reeves on Mon Apr 28, 2014 at 01:18:38 PM PDT

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        •  I have always wondered why so many smart people (1+ / 0-)
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          the character of Scarlett O'Hara.
          I never liked the story, although the film was very well made.

          •   why so many smart people "liked" the character... (0+ / 0-)

            Missed a word.
            S-S-S-S-S-Sorry.

            •  Me Either (1+ / 0-)
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              I found Scarlett O'Hara annoying---no, worse.  She was a spoiled manipulative brat and an insult to women.  That man-stealing stereotype didn't play any better when it was Julia Roberts in "My Best Friend's Wedding."  It perpetuates prejudice against women, and we don't need more of that!

              Black actors portraying stereotypes affect me the same way.  I know it was a different time, but it still makes me cringe to think they did it, even though there were no other roles for them. Part of me still feels they shouldn't have denigrated themselves, but would I starve in a gutter rather than play such a role?  I can't honestly say that I would.  So I try not to go all self-righteous about those old movies, but I don't watch them either.  

              •  I agree. Even at age five I despised her. (0+ / 0-)

                She was clearly the opposite of what I was being taught any decent person should be and yet it was obvious that the adults around me didn't share that view.

                I suspect this was my first inkling that adults couldn't be trusted.

                Nothing human is alien to me.

                by WB Reeves on Tue Apr 29, 2014 at 02:25:39 AM PDT

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                •  Luckily (1+ / 0-)
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                  I saw GWTW as an adult on TV with my husband.  He certainly heard my reaction to her but wasn't surprised----after all he had married me.  

                  I never learned to distrust all adults, but I have good reason to be suspicious of doctors.  I've had some real losers.

                  At a very young age, I was a feminist----hell, I was born one.  I DIDN'T love Lucy and hated the Honeymooners.

          •  I think a lot of women liked the idea of a (0+ / 0-)

            "heroine" who could beat the patriarchy at it's own game.

            White women that is.

            Just a thought.

            Nothing human is alien to me.

            by WB Reeves on Mon Apr 28, 2014 at 03:24:26 PM PDT

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        •  That's True (1+ / 0-)
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          Butterfly McQueen, however, was truly cringe-worthy.  She was operating within the same repugnant limits.  I realize that, but I can't watch that movie.

          I have a hard time with "You Can't Take It with You," also.  Eddie Anderson's character haunts us still.  We hear it weekly (daily?) from the GOP.  SIGH!!!!!

          •  Clarification (1+ / 0-)
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            My reply (above) was to W B Reeves concerning Hattie McDaniel's.

            •  Missed a word. (0+ / 0-)

              Should have typed "role" after "Hattie McDaniel's." Why won't I learn that I must proof what I write?

            •  I'm a great fan of old movies, since the were a (0+ / 0-)

              large component of what I saw on TV as a kid. Consequently, I watch a lot of TCM. I have a much different perspective on them now though.

              I agree with you about the character of Prissy. In the book she's supposed to be a child. In the film, they made her an adult and described her as "simple minded" in order to explain her behavior. I suspect this was done because they wanted to "soften" the impact of Scarlett's treatment of her. It would have been difficult, even in those times, to excuse slapping any child the way Scarlett slapped Butterfly McQueen.

              It's symptomatic of the moral rot that infects the entire film. Any suggestion of the human horror of slavery is carefully excluded. Nothing but contented, loyal "darkies" and kindly, indulgent "Massahs". The obscenity of it's presentation is only eclipsed by that in Birth of a Nation.

              I suppose that's why I find Hattie McDaniel's achievement so remarkable. To the extent that there is any moral gravity in the film at all, she provides it. Every major white character in the film is deluded, corrupt or both.

              Obviously, white folks are able to view it as a romantic fairy tale. I can only imagine that for Black folks it would be akin to sitting through a near four hour long insult.

              I saw it in the same theater that hosted it's 1939 world premier when I was 5 years old. If I hadn't had the good fortune to grow up in the midst of the Civil Rights struggle, I might have swallowed it whole.
                 

              Nothing human is alien to me.

              by WB Reeves on Tue Apr 29, 2014 at 02:21:05 AM PDT

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              •  I haven't (1+ / 0-)
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                read the book and appreciate your pointing out the changes.  I definitely agree that Hattie McDaniel's character was the finest person in the movie.  She had depth.

                Honestly, I have never figured out what white folks found enjoyable about that movie.  Have you ever seen Carol Burnett's classic take-off on the famous "curtain scene?"  I still laugh 'til I cry, when I watch it.  A priceless sketch on a priceless show.  

                •  Oh yes. Carol Burnett was a favorite of mine (0+ / 0-)

                  She definitely knew how to skewer Hollywood and GWTW certainly deserved it.

                  As for the appeal, I can only guess that in the 1930's-40's a lot of white folks got off identifying with Scarlett and Rhett as two rogues who flouted convention and got away with it, mostly.

                  There was also a genre of "plantation literature" that flogged the whole "moonlight and magnolias" schtick and was evidently quite popular. To give an example of the reach this kind of thing had, the house I grew up in, built sometime in the 20's, had gray shaded wallpaper featuring sentimentalized plantation scenes in the entryway.

                  If you're curious to know more about such cultural conditioning, you might find this diary of interest.

                  Nothing human is alien to me.

                  by WB Reeves on Tue Apr 29, 2014 at 04:45:19 PM PDT

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        •  I remember when Sidney Poitier and other (0+ / 0-)

          African Americans first appeared on American television.  Audiences argued as to his race and whether or not he was a "true" African American or was "foreign"
          http://www.aaregistry.org/...

          Of course the terminology was a bit more coarse

    •  Blues and jazz gave us all an insight (0+ / 0-)

      to the African-American musical genius.
      Too bad we had to wait for the British invasion to accept it. (Thank you Rolling Stones, Beatles, Yardbirds, Peter Green etc.)

  •  Of course, like what's-his-name and skittles, (3+ / 0-)
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    now his fans will bring bananas to the games...

    "Nothing in all the world is more dangerous than sincere ignorance and conscientious stupidity." --M. L. King "You can't fix stupid" --Ron White -6.00, -5.18

    by zenbassoon on Mon Apr 28, 2014 at 03:55:54 AM PDT

  •  I hope the Villareal team (13+ / 0-)

    Gets a sanction too. It's not the first time some racist shit happens there.

    The level of celebrated hate, not just racism but of all kinds, allowed and even fomented in football stadiums has to be hammered out with sanctions and closures. I know this is just one retard in a 30 or 40 thousand stadium but it needs to be punished for it to stop. Worse is when a good part of a stadium starts doing the chimp noises. If it was up to me they would watch the rest of the season of their team in their tvs.

    There is other shit too. Like throwing a pigs head to the field to a footballer that has changed teams. Nationalistic chants. Throwing lighters to the goalies. Its a fucking sickening sports culture, racism one of the many heads of the beast

    •  Agreed! /nt (2+ / 0-)
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      No, you can't fix stupid. You OUTNUMBER stupid. -Wildthumb, 1/10/2013

      by newinfluence on Mon Apr 28, 2014 at 07:34:55 AM PDT

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    •  It's the meat version of youtube comments (3+ / 0-)
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      It seems like it's a good chance to get a bunch of idiots together in one space.  And, as we know from watching Fox news, they think that one or two people agreeing with them is actually an indicator that the entire country agrees with them.  

      Streichholzschächtelchen

      by otto on Mon Apr 28, 2014 at 08:03:03 AM PDT

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      •  ...or the yahoos from Yahoo! (2+ / 0-)
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        There is very much a lowest common denominator mob mentality involved. The first time I was ever scared for my life in a public crowd was at a European football match. There is a level of madness that is not just tolerated, but is cultivated among the followers of certain teams. You absolutely see the same thing in these website comment threads, where people act in ways towards others that they never would otherwise... Unless they were at a football match, that is. ;-)

        No, you can't fix stupid. You OUTNUMBER stupid. -Wildthumb, 1/10/2013

        by newinfluence on Mon Apr 28, 2014 at 08:24:54 AM PDT

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    •  Villareal was quick to condemn the racist action. (0+ / 0-)

      Let's punish the guilty only, please.

      "...pero mi corazón me aconseja, que los nacionalismos - ¡qué miedo me dan!" - Enrique Bunbury (El Extranjero)

      by JustGiaco on Tue Apr 29, 2014 at 01:30:46 PM PDT

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  •  bananas (18+ / 0-)

    are an excellent energy boost for athletes. natural sugar and electrolytes. alves didn't just out class the bigots, he out smarted them.

    The cold passion for truth hunts in no pack. -Robinson Jeffers

    by Laurence Lewis on Mon Apr 28, 2014 at 05:00:18 AM PDT

    •  I thought the same thing when he did it (4+ / 0-)

      Free timeout for Dani :-)

      No, you can't fix stupid. You OUTNUMBER stupid. -Wildthumb, 1/10/2013

      by newinfluence on Mon Apr 28, 2014 at 07:36:04 AM PDT

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    •  I wouldn't do it again (9+ / 0-)

      I hope that someone is telling him not to do it again.  

      If any players do this again, I wouldn't be surprised if the banana was tampered with.  

      If I am a team owner, I'm fining players who eat food off the field now.  

      It was very good for the one time, but if others do it, I'm concerned for the safety of the players now.  

      Streichholzschächtelchen

      by otto on Mon Apr 28, 2014 at 08:04:31 AM PDT

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    •  Lots of Dani's teammates and fans are getting (9+ / 0-)

      into the act.  Here's superstar and Alves's Barca teammate Neymar with his son:

      and the Daily Mall has an article with Neymar and more:
      http://www.dailymail.co.uk/...

    •  I Admit (4+ / 0-)

      That I am very torn about how to react to that video, and Dani Alves' choosing to eat it.  I can see both how it sends a message that he won't allow the filth to get to him, but from my perspective it also can be seen as sending the unfortunately reinforcing message that he couldn't resist eating a banana thrown at him because, like an ape, he's an animal.

      Fortunately, my husband (who has far more love for soccer than I) pointed out that had he done anything else (like, perhaps throw some middle finger shade along with eating it) he'd have likely been disciplined.  No matter how in the right he would have been emotionally.

      At this point, I just want America to admit that it still doesn't want its Black citizens to live in any state other than terror, subservience and inferiority, under pain of death. I can handle American racism, but I can't handle American denial.

      by shanikka on Mon Apr 28, 2014 at 09:14:00 AM PDT

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      •  I wouldn't be torn. (8+ / 0-)

        He took their insult, tore it up and literally devoured it.

        The look on his face wasn't one of "ooh, a banana" it was one of either indifference or disdain (I'd have to see the video again)

        The thrower of the banana didn't want him to eat it, I guarantee you that.

        There is no "path" to choose. The path is what is behind you that led you to today. What lies in front of you is not a fork in the road - a choice of paths to take, but rather an empty field for you to blaze your own direction.

        by cbabob on Mon Apr 28, 2014 at 10:27:15 AM PDT

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        •  I Appreciate your "Guarantee" (3+ / 0-)

          But why else would you throw a banana at an "ape?" if you didn't expect them to eat it?

          As a person of African American descent, I'm just sharing my discomfort about the lack of clarity.  I do not mean in any way to disagree that Dani Alves' conduct was intended to dismiss the hater.  What I am concerned about is whether it was so subtle as to have had the opposite effect in some.

          At this point, I just want America to admit that it still doesn't want its Black citizens to live in any state other than terror, subservience and inferiority, under pain of death. I can handle American racism, but I can't handle American denial.

          by shanikka on Mon Apr 28, 2014 at 10:36:46 AM PDT

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          •  I hear you (3+ / 0-)

            but I would suggest another perspective.  Of course, he is never going to change the mind of the racist who tossed the banana or his cohorts.  But his action spoke to the others in the stadium.  Rather than ignore the taunt and let it persist, he turned it on its head.  He got the last laugh by exposing the act and subverting it.  In this act, he was able to rally together those who are offended by the banana.  

            I have not articulated my point well, but I see it as the difference between a kid being bullied and silently ignoring it and letting it continue to a kid being bullied and calling attention to the act to shift the focus to the bully (ie, calling him out in a manner).  I think the latter approach is more liberating in that creates an opportunity for others to stand up against the bullying.  Remaining in silence condemns one to the same behavior.  (Not that I am faulting those who choose to ignore in silence.  I understand the reasons for taking that approach.)

          •  As a person of African American descent (2+ / 0-)

            I saw that video and understood clearly what he was saying and doing.  Bravo to him.

            If someone is dumb enough to think he couldn't resist eating a banana...well that person is lost anyway.  Some racism is completely willful.  Nothing you can do about that.

          •  As a European sports supporter (1+ / 0-)
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            of several decades, I can assure you that he won that round ... The message was unmistakeable, and not lost on anyone watching the game, or seeing the news clip in homes all over Europe.

            It was a class act, by a classy guy.

            I hope that the quality of debate will improve,
            but I fear we will remain Democrats.

            Who is twigg?

            by twigg on Mon Apr 28, 2014 at 05:56:39 PM PDT

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        •  It would have been even better if Alves had (1+ / 0-)
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          broken the banana into pieces and shared it with his team.

          Solidarity!

          Real plastic here; none of that new synthetic stuff made from chicken feathers. By the morning of 9/12/2001 the people of NYC had won the War on Terror.

          by triplepoint on Mon Apr 28, 2014 at 05:05:47 PM PDT

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          •  Oh, Yeah, (1+ / 0-)
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            I LOVE this option!  I was conflicted about the possible mixed message his action may have sent.  Your solution is perfect.  Any way you can get this option to him for next time?---and there WILL be a next time. I don't tweet or do Facebook, so I haven't a clue how to reach him.

      •  I most often agree with you, but not here (6+ / 0-)

        I will let no man's ignorance or racism define my legitimate actions. I refuse to give that man the power to affect me.  Dani's actions -- in mocking those who called him a monkey by celebrating his goals with mock "monkey play" or snatching the banana as a trophy -- show the racists that they own no corner of his mind, and that they can't touch him with their hatred. In my mind, showing these people that their slurs have no effect obliterates their power. It's not that it appeared as if he was acting out of compulsion; he was acting out of the place of power.

        Peace.

        No, you can't fix stupid. You OUTNUMBER stupid. -Wildthumb, 1/10/2013

        by newinfluence on Mon Apr 28, 2014 at 10:42:10 AM PDT

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      •  I can tell you (1+ / 0-)
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        He hit it out of the park
        The reaction in the Spanish press and social media has been overwhelming in his favor. Spain is a country where nothing is sacred for humor, even racism. You tell people they are being racist and they tell you we pick on everyone or we treat everyone to insulting humor. He turned that around and Spaniards liked that.

        By the way I just read that the imbecile that threw the banana has been identified and the Soccer Club has forbidden him to go to any game forever.

        Spain has to face its racism, its too frequently put as its just jokes and people never see it for what it is, and when confronted they say I'm not racist  

    •  Alves said later on Instagram: ... (0+ / 0-)

      "My father always told me, 'son, be sure to eat bananas, they'll help avoid cramps' - How could he have known?"

      "...pero mi corazón me aconseja, que los nacionalismos - ¡qué miedo me dan!" - Enrique Bunbury (El Extranjero)

      by JustGiaco on Tue Apr 29, 2014 at 01:32:38 PM PDT

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  •  pretty lame (1+ / 0-)
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    they took off their shirts?  ouch! that's gotta hurt

    meh

    •  Agreed (1+ / 0-)
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      They (players on both sides) should have boycotted the games. Action would have been immediate when those kind of dollars are at stake. Now it's going to be a slow dance of white owners not wanting to upset the apple cart. Fines? That will be a joke since he's got plenty of money.

    •  You underestimate the players in the NBA just like (16+ / 0-)

      Sterling does.

      I've worked for the league and of all professional sports leagues in the U.S. the NBA from a behavioral standpoint is one of the more strict of the professional associations.  

      The NBA unlike the NFL has a high ratio of recognizable athletes.  The Clippers organization currently employs two of the most popular players in the game in Chris Paul and Blake Griffin.  Also worth noting that the wrong LA team is in the playoffs, the Clippers a perennial loser in the league has finally begun to see some success after a long period of sucking bad.

      The prospect of the Clippers falling back in to obscurity is more of an issue for the other team owners than it is for the league itself.  They have revenue sharing in the NBA and I don't think I need to explain that any further.  

      So while you take issue with the potency of the protest and how it appears to the general public, I would suggest that it wasn't for the public.  Chris Paul is president of the NBPA a union of millionaires, that is no small task, the next in line is Roger Mason Jr. who attended the same school that President Obama's children now attend.  

      These men are not slouches and don't protest for your entertainment.  The league fines athletes for this type of behavior period.  You have heard nothing about any fines being issued have you.  This is a message for the NBA not for people watching on TV and I can assure you that the league is paying attention.  The NBA above most other leagues requires that the best players make themselves available to play in the NBA.  

      The global game has grown so much in the past twenty years that competition from other leagues across the globe has an actual framework.  Many countries do not have collective bargaining agreements with their players, which is why a player like Stephan Marbury can revitalize a dead NBA career in China or way past his prime Allen Iverson can reign terror in a Turkish basketball league for way more money than he would be offered in the NBA.  

      Lebron James could easily make 50 million a season in Europe because he would score 50 points a game and win all the time.  If the league in any way appears hostile to it's own players aside from the once a decade collective bargaining negotiation it risks losing it's athletes to higher wages overseas.

      I know it's difficult to think about these things outside of what we think should happen but these players know better than we do about what is effective protest and what isn't.  

      Chris Paul is one of the most socially conscious active players the league has ever seen and deserves the respect and support of anyone who believes what Donald Sterling did was offensive.  

      Who ya gonna shoot wit dat homie, you'd rather blast an original instead of a phony, true macaroni, you don't even know me, and why does your gun say n****z only?

      by mim5677 on Mon Apr 28, 2014 at 07:26:57 AM PDT

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      •  Sterling reminds me of slave owners who would (4+ / 0-)
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        sit on the porch and watch his "darkies" entertain him.  That is the story behind the old Negro Spirituals which were code by the field hands which owners didn't understand.

        •  He does indeed (3+ / 0-)
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          more than most, but the malfucker is 80 damn years old.  This is a real traditional old world type of racism.  I listened to the tape and the whole thing just sounds weird to me.

          Who ya gonna shoot wit dat homie, you'd rather blast an original instead of a phony, true macaroni, you don't even know me, and why does your gun say n****z only?

          by mim5677 on Mon Apr 28, 2014 at 07:48:34 AM PDT

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        •  He is a crappy owner (3+ / 0-)
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          That's something that never gets mentioned.  He is one of those shitty owners who has never done anything to make the league any better.

          All he does is leech off of the Collective Bargaining Agreement and the lottery balls.  

          IN basketball, if you suck,. you get a high pick.  That high pick gets a multi year deal.  

          So, Sterling is classic for never resigning his players, and then sucking.  

          I haven't watched the NBA lately, but that's been his MO>

          Streichholzschächtelchen

          by otto on Mon Apr 28, 2014 at 08:07:44 AM PDT

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      •  Tour de France 1997 (0+ / 0-)

        After the Farm Frites team was taken from their hotel at midnight for drug testing, the riders tore off their numbers before next days stage in solidarity. I don't condone drug use, but after these guys put in their 100 miles, they basically eat & go to sleep & do it again the next day.  Up all night in an ER/police station is too much the night before a stage. They couldn't possibly compete. There were some who wanted to void the next days stage after that.

        •  I don't see the connection (0+ / 0-)

          between the two aside from the shirts.  

          I'm wondering why you feel that you are in a good positions to second guess a bunch intelligent people in the middle of this controversy.

          Who ya gonna shoot wit dat homie, you'd rather blast an original instead of a phony, true macaroni, you don't even know me, and why does your gun say n****z only?

          by mim5677 on Mon Apr 28, 2014 at 08:10:00 AM PDT

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          •  the connection is (0+ / 0-)

            that by taking off their numbers, they invalidated the stage...they didn't race...they didn't go back on the court after the shoot around & play a game.  

            The protest was underwhelming to viewers....I'l take the context explained above with agrain of salt

            •  Additional context (3+ / 0-)

              I can totally see how you wouldn't value the actions of the Clippers compared to a group hard working cyclists.  Please forgive my ignorance.

              It's not like pushing through in the face of ignorance and racism isn't a historic tradition in the African-American community.  It's not like having to prove you are better than your enemies is a protest tactic used by African-Americans has any historical context.  

              I wonder if there has been any other silent protests by African-Americans throughout the history of the U.S. that happened to be viewed as iconic moments in protest history despite the fact that they participated in a sporting event. Jesse Owens come to mind?

              Feel free to take the context with a grain of salt if you want but you're still off base.

              When people were told to stay away from Woolworth they sat in...

              Again, you underestimate the men you are judging just like Sterling is.

              Who ya gonna shoot wit dat homie, you'd rather blast an original instead of a phony, true macaroni, you don't even know me, and why does your gun say n****z only?

              by mim5677 on Mon Apr 28, 2014 at 08:38:05 AM PDT

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          •  I'm in a great position to second guess (0+ / 0-)

            I'm at a computer & I have a good connection.  I saw the protest on TV & I read a coherent criticism of it in the Times this morning.

            •  The Times criticism wasn't coherent (0+ / 0-)

              either.  

              Having a computer and a connection gives you the right to say what you want when you want it.  

              But sometimes you just shouldn't, this is one of those times where you want to do more listening and learning than spouting opinions.  I do it all the time.

              Who ya gonna shoot wit dat homie, you'd rather blast an original instead of a phony, true macaroni, you don't even know me, and why does your gun say n****z only?

              by mim5677 on Tue Apr 29, 2014 at 06:13:53 AM PDT

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        •  interesting but not at all similar (0+ / 0-)

          since we now know that drug cheating was, in fact, going on, you're saying that guys who didn't want to get caught doing something against the rules is somehow comparable to guys being disliked because of the color of their skin.

          Dear NSA: I am only joking.

          by Shahryar on Mon Apr 28, 2014 at 10:58:33 AM PDT

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      •  I love Snoop Dog's response to Sterling's comments (1+ / 0-)
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        This is the appropriate level of reaction that I'd expect from the  NBA commissioner :)  -

        www.tmz.com/2014/04/26/snoop-dogg-blasts-donald-sterling/

        Cooler heads will prevail. And we have the coolest head in the White House.

        by ayjaymay on Mon Apr 28, 2014 at 09:00:48 AM PDT

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      •  Putting themselves in the position (0+ / 0-)

        of being fined would have been a more powerful move.  They could have defied the league to fine them under the circumstances.  That would have flexed their muscles.  That being said, I don't judge their decision.  There are likely factors at play that I am unaware of.

        •  They did just that... (0+ / 0-)

          Not wearing official NBA uniforms or altering uniforms in anyway is punishable by the league and has been for a long time.

          The league chose not to fine them in this case because the league is getting the message.  

          Again, you won't find another player or coach in Chris Paul or Doc Rivers in the league more aware of the social implications of what was done here and you won't find two more people who will stand up to racism more than these two.  

          They know what the hell they are doing and the fact that people are second guessing their actions is symptomatic of the problem that Donald Sterling created with this situation.

          Who ya gonna shoot wit dat homie, you'd rather blast an original instead of a phony, true macaroni, you don't even know me, and why does your gun say n****z only?

          by mim5677 on Tue Apr 29, 2014 at 06:17:05 AM PDT

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    •  Sorry, I disagree (10+ / 0-)

      (I do thank you for your comment, though.)

      The Clippers players strongly debated a boycott, but considered the outcome and decided that it would serve as a greater punishment to themselves and their fans than to Sterling, who has never viewed the team as anything more than a financial investment to be treated like one of his apartment complexes -- I could write more about this, but I'm afraid it would be diary-length.

      Doc Rivers and Chris Paul are among the most vocal anti-racism workers in the league, and as a team they chose a symbolic statement that would show they were playing for one another by throwing off the mantle of their owner and registering their disgust. Even this "meh" move was taken at personal risk, as the NBA tightly regulates player activity and apparel on the court, with contractual obligation to suppliers and sponsors.

      John Carlos and Tommie Smith were strongly pressured to boycott the 1968 Olympics, but instead chose to compete for themselves and their community, making a statement on the medal podium with bowed heads and raised fists. That image is burned into the American -- and even the world -- sports landscape, whereas a boycott would have simply given that stage to someone else. It would also be mistake to believe this is over. Several people in the organization have said they are considering retiring rather than fulfilling their contracts if Sterling isn't removed from the helm of the team. If nothing else happens, I'll heartily join your "meh". Until then, I can only see what effect it had on the conversation and the long-term telling of this story.

      No, you can't fix stupid. You OUTNUMBER stupid. -Wildthumb, 1/10/2013

      by newinfluence on Mon Apr 28, 2014 at 08:13:06 AM PDT

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      •  if the Clips had chosen (8+ / 0-)

        to boycott, i'd have supported them 100%.  The fact they played, I also support 100%.  They're the ones caught in the middle, and they're the ones directly affected by Sterling's comments.  And as you say, there are few people in the league with more respect and credibility than Chris Paul and Doc Rivers.   I don't think people not in the situation can second guess them.  

        I bet Oakland would have supported a boycott, had they opted for it, but then what?  They're not going to play the series? Some team gets a walkover into the conference finals?   Eventually, they'll have to play, but what they did was enough to show the comments weren't acceptable to them as a team, and if this isn't resolved to their satisfaction after the season (i think they're toast, basketball wise), we might see additional player reaction, including sit-ins of games.

        Really, this can only end with the league suspending Sterling until they can find a buyer, and everyone knows that.  My guess is they reasoned a boycott of the game would be seen as a vote of no confidence in the league office and, as such, premature.   Silver got Sterling to stay home for Sunday's game, and he'll probably be formally suspended thru the playoffs by Tuesday's game, without prejudice for longer sanctions.  Sterling's very litigious, and these comments don't necessarily break any laws, so actually maneuvering him out may take some creativity and thus time.

        I also feel terribly for the fans -- I bet tickets for the remaining first round series have already been sold already, and that represents a big expense for much of the C's more working class fanbase, but I wouldn't spend another dime on parking, hot dogs, or whatever, if it goes to Sterling.  But maybe that also punishes concession workers or other folks who may be of color.
         

        Difficult, difficult, lemon difficult.

        by Loge on Mon Apr 28, 2014 at 08:27:11 AM PDT

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  •  That reminds me of the co-option of language. (5+ / 0-)

    I've always thought it was so brilliant the way that the n-word and the q-word were deneutered by their targets. "We're here; we're queer; get used to it," is one of my all time favorite messages.

  •  My Favorite Comment on Sterling (15+ / 0-)

    Some fans in Oakland said it best.

    https://pbs.twimg.com/...

    Feel free to embed that picture if you want. I may have done rocket science but I don't know how to embed pictures.

  •  Thanks for the free food, asshole! nt (2+ / 0-)
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    “In the beginning there was nothing, which exploded.” Terry Pratchett

    by 420 forever on Mon Apr 28, 2014 at 06:35:29 AM PDT

  •  I hope (2+ / 0-)
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    Clippers lose the next two games and get eliminated from the playoffs, (after being ahead of the Warriors 2 games to 1 when the story broke.)
    That would send a message louder than taking off a warm up jacket.
    Winning owners in the NBA are not racist owners.
    Sterling is a bottom line kind of guy.
    He needs to be hit over the head with the reality that his racist remarks have destroyed his team's effectiveness.

    If cats could blog, they wouldn't

    by crystal eyes on Mon Apr 28, 2014 at 06:36:28 AM PDT

    •  I mean, (1+ / 0-)
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      I don't have strong feelings about either team, or the NBA, really.  But people in sports always talk about "adversity," and it's usually some bullshit of some player's own making.  I hate to see anything associated with Sterling succeed, but I can't help but feel for the guys on the team, many of whom are really quality players.  

      Difficult, difficult, lemon difficult.

      by Loge on Mon Apr 28, 2014 at 08:31:46 AM PDT

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    •  He's a culture guy (0+ / 0-)

      The Clippers have lost money for a long time and the money they do make is not a lot to Mr. Sterling.  

      He's in it because LA has two basketball teams and one of them was a bargain.  They've been losing forever and will continue on that track soon.  

      He owns a team because it's cool, not because he can make money.

      Who ya gonna shoot wit dat homie, you'd rather blast an original instead of a phony, true macaroni, you don't even know me, and why does your gun say n****z only?

      by mim5677 on Mon Apr 28, 2014 at 08:59:45 AM PDT

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      •  When he bought the team, LA had just one (1+ / 0-)
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        Remember that Sterling bought the San Diego Clippers in 1981-82, and he successfully lobbied the league to move the team to his hometown of Los Angeles for the 1984 season. The San Diego team only averaged about 4,000 or 5,000 players a game after Sterling took over. He always saw the team -- which he bought for $12,000,000 -- as an investment, that at the time he hoped would one day triple. Yes, triple. If only he would have sold when the value hit $30,000,000 (or even $100,000,000). The league would have been spared much of the shameful ownership legacy of Sterling.

        Based on everything he's always said, I would have to disagree with your comment as to the reason he owns the team. I think he doesn't care about anything but making money, and his track record of statements and actions over the years suggest a man who put the absolute smallest amount of money back into the team as was necessary to grow his profits. This is a team that didn't even have a regular, let alone their own, practice facility as late as 1998, when players would often find out on the morning of practice where the team was meeting.

        No, you can't fix stupid. You OUTNUMBER stupid. -Wildthumb, 1/10/2013

        by newinfluence on Mon Apr 28, 2014 at 12:31:43 PM PDT

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    •  While there is no defending Sterling's racism (0+ / 0-)

      I have to raise a side issue to the TMZ story. Harvey Levin, who runs TMZ, is a proud conservative who not infrequently speaks glowingly about his own involvement in counter protests of anti-war protesters during Vietnam. And he is very much of a "looking out for #1"-type of guy.

      The way I see it, he released this tape for one of two reasons:
      1. He wanted to change the conversation about racism that dominated the end of last week: Cliven Bundy's thoughts about "negroes" and how closely tied to such thoughts conservatives are. By releasing this tape, now the racism conversation is about the fitness of an octagenarian gazillionaire to own an NBA team, and said team's reaction on the court to their boss's long-known and well-documented racism. Is Harvey using this tape to change the conversation and lift the pall of racism that publically tinged the right-wing? Or,
      2. Harvey laid a big bet on the Warriors to come back from 0-2 and beat the Clippers, and is using the timing of the tape's release (first time I've ever heard of TMZ releasing a scoop during the weekend) to destroy morale on a relatively playoff-inexperienced Clippers team and reap an long-odds bonanza.

      Another possibility is that Harvey was doing both.

      All that CT to the side, I'm not sure how I feel about the inherent dichotomy that your comment raises. I don't feel as though the Clippers players and staff deserves to suffer for the sins of their owner; none of them has a problem with publicly associating with African-Americans, or having to actually be such in a society that is miles from being post-racial (even assuming that we ever will be post-racial).

      On the other hand, I am reminded of the scene in the movie Clerks, when a discussion about which original-Star-Wars-trilogy film was the best (Empire Strikes Back, fwiw), one of them feels bad for all the ordinary workers employed constructing the Death Star II who must have died when the heroes destroyed it.

      A customer overhears the conversation and interjects his own experience as a plumbing contractor. He notes that a local mobster once tried to hire him to do some work at his home, even offering extra to get the work done quickly. But the contractor refused the business, begged off as too busy to meet the timelines. Later, a shootout at the mobster's home took the life of another plumber doing the job. His point was that by accepting the job, the other plumber's lack of morals put him in peril of death, just as the Death Star II's contractors lack of morals put them in danger from the returning Jedis and their allies.

      Of course, there are important differences, most notably the draft system in the NBA that prevents less experienced players from avoiding doing business with a bad owner like Sterling without having to go abroad to play the game they love. As such, it's hard to root against players who got stuck with Sterling as their boss.

      We build on foundations we did not lay. We warm ourselves by fires we did not light. We sit in the shade of trees we did not plant... We are ever bound in community.-Peter Raible

      by SilentBrook on Mon Apr 28, 2014 at 02:16:37 PM PDT

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  •  What's the worst that can happen to Sterling? (5+ / 0-)

    All of his rich brethren probably have the same opinion, and are probably slapping him on the back and buying him steak dinners.  Others are yes-men he can buy.  If the league kicks him out and forces him to sell the team, he'll take the windfall and laugh all the way to the bank.  
    Let's face facts: There isn't any justice in the universe, and these rich bastards are completely insulated from consequences.  

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    by Hatrax on Mon Apr 28, 2014 at 06:52:10 AM PDT

    •  The NBA has been the most progressive of the... (2+ / 0-)
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      ...major sports leagues over the last 30 years. With the relative high turnover of franchise ownership, there isn't as much legacy "stodginess" as with other leagues.

      That is to say, I think Sterling stands out as the exception, with little or no company in his racist views. I also believe based on conversations with league insiders that if the NBA had a mechanism to have divested him of ownership, it would have happened years ago under David Stern.

      No, you can't fix stupid. You OUTNUMBER stupid. -Wildthumb, 1/10/2013

      by newinfluence on Mon Apr 28, 2014 at 07:45:37 AM PDT

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    •  You can bet your bottom dollar (2+ / 0-)
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      that former commissioner David Stern has been called in to the office.  He above all others is extremely sensitive to racism within the league having taken it from NHL status to one of the premier professional sports associations in the world and there is lots of competition in that arena.  

      Who ya gonna shoot wit dat homie, you'd rather blast an original instead of a phony, true macaroni, you don't even know me, and why does your gun say n****z only?

      by mim5677 on Mon Apr 28, 2014 at 07:53:42 AM PDT

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  •  I liked the "I brought a black guy" (4+ / 0-)

    sign and the friend next to him with the arrow and sign saying "I'm black!" after the Clippers kerfluffle -
    https://twitter.com/...

    "Emancipate yourself from mental slavery. None but us can free our minds." - Bob Marley

    by nightsweat on Mon Apr 28, 2014 at 07:11:58 AM PDT

  •  I just tell them they are bigots (2+ / 0-)
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    They can't argue with that.  It doesn't matter what they say, they are deciding an entire group of people is not worth respect.  

    If you call them racists, they get all defensive and have things they say that makes them feel like they've argued successfully.

    If you just call them bigots, they don't really know what to say about it.  

    Keep letting them know that they are bigots.  Speak up in public if you hear people saying bigoted things.  

    If someone in a public space says something racist, judge them.  Look them in the eye and just say, "If you want to say that at home, fine.  In public, the majority of us here would prefer you keep your bigoted ideas to yourself. "

    If they argue, suggest that they go and ask the other people if they agree with you or the bigot.  

    Streichholzschächtelchen

    by otto on Mon Apr 28, 2014 at 07:59:56 AM PDT

  •  This reminds me of something I saw on PBS (6+ / 0-)

    They were interviewing a black man who lived through the civil rights era in the south.  He recounted a confrontation he had in a restaurant.  He was sitting at a table, eating some chicken.  The Civil Rights Act had just passed, so he was only newly allowed to eat at the restaurant.

    A redneck approaches him and says, "boy, if you don't get out of this restaurant right now, we're gonna do to you what you're doing to that chicken."

    So he picks up a piece of chicken, tells it how much he loves it, and gives it a big, sloppy kiss.

    Poor people look for work. Middle class people find a job. Rich people seek employment.

    by k4pacific on Mon Apr 28, 2014 at 08:18:26 AM PDT

  •  Best response was Berlin Olympics (1+ / 0-)
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    The footage is available somewhere on the Internet......showing black American athlete hated by Hitler but greatly admired by fellow athlete, a Nazi favorite, who embraced him.

    Sorry, no time now to find the links for you.

    •  Yes.... (0+ / 0-)

      ....and some of the video clips there have been flagged as "potentially offensive and graphic" by Hitler fans, and YouTube has stupidly allowed them to get away with it. Chasing racists is like squashing cockroaches -- always another one to swat.

      "They bash your face in, and say you were always ugly." (Solzhenitsyn, Gulag Archipelago volume 3)

      by sagesource on Mon Apr 28, 2014 at 12:25:39 PM PDT

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  •  Dani Alves with a brilliant move (2+ / 0-)
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    newinfluence, Iberian

    One check of a fine A++ level soccer player too. I have , always been a fan, even more so today.

  •  Sweet! This action reminds me of the (3+ / 0-)

    wise (yet mythical) words of Don Juan, in A Separate Reality. Further Conversations with Don Juan:

    I am never angry at anybody! No human being can do anything important enough for that. You get angry at people when you feel their acts are important. I don’t feel that way any longer.
    I have often shared this with my friends and family whenever I see someone of "no importance" attempting to make them angry.

    It works!

  •  The Daily Caller is painting Sterling as a (2+ / 0-)
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    newinfluence, Bryce in Seattle

    Democrat because he's made a few small (low four figure) donations to some D candidates. No doubt this tack is being taken across the redweb.

    The argument is: whenever a conservative racist is exposed, Republicans get attacked for it. Why aren't the D's being called to atone for Sterling???

    CAN SOMEONE find out how much he's donated to Republicans?

    Trust, but verify. - Reagan
    Vote, but Occupy. - commonmass

    When the rich have tripled their share of the income and wealth yet again, Republicans will still blame the poor and 3rd Way Democrats will still negotiate.

    by Words In Action on Mon Apr 28, 2014 at 10:43:01 AM PDT

  •  Outnumber stupid at the polls, (1+ / 0-)
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    soundchaser

    ...and elsewhere as best we can.  That's the goal now.  Thanks for posting this diary and the video.  I agree with your take on it.

    To a certain extent, we have achieved (or are achieving) Dr. King's dream, if you concentrate on "we shall overcome," as opposed to "we will eliminate," racism.  I'm not sure racism can be eliminated, but we took away a lot of its power in 2008 and 2012.  We didn't prove that racism was gone, but we proved that it did not have the power to keep a qualified man from being elected POTUS just because of his skin color.  That's big, of course, because until we did it, we couldn't know that we could do it; but, now we know.

    We still are losing far to many young black men like Trayvon Martin; there still are too many overt and covert racists; the justice system, the political system, the economic system, all still have racial biases built-in; but strides continue to be made.  

    Coach Rivers and the Clippers players are doing what they do: trying to win a Championship that has been a goal for each of them for most of their lives.   The soccer player gave a perfect reaction in his moment.

    Jackie Robinson was selected as the first black man in the big leagues b/c it was believed (correctly) that he could handle the racist hate that was predictably hurled at him.  

    They all did or are doing their part.  I support them all, as do most other white men in 2014.  Together, we are overcoming hate.

  •  racism (0+ / 0-)

    Yes a very great statement by a outstanding man.

  •  Best Response to Racism (0+ / 0-)

    I applaud young athletes like this! Ian Lopez new book "Dog Whistle Politics" not only takes the wind out of Racism it up roots it. When you see the Giant for what it is the illusion of power fades. In essence the book says politicians are extorting money and stealing a vote from people of European descent, with the illusion of security and protection. When you realize you are being raped and pillaged you don't feel powerful. Here's the link
     http://billmoyers.com/...

  •  Sadly, no sport is immune (1+ / 0-)
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    I remember the 2002 NHL playoffs when the Hurricanes'  goaltender Kevin Weekes had a banana lobbed at him in Montreal.  The best revenge was realized when Carolina dismissed Montreal in six games to advance to the conference final.

    There is no place for this in civilized society in general, but to use high profile sporting events as a forum for such repugnant behavior insults not only the player(s) at whom the insult is directed, but the fans of the sport in question as well.

    I'll believe corporations are people when one comes home from Afghanistan in a body bag.

    by mojo11 on Mon Apr 28, 2014 at 04:50:03 PM PDT

  •  Racism will never die (0+ / 0-)

    Because human nature is to discriminate against the 'other' and we redefine what that means generation after generation.

    http://jasonluthor.jelabeaux.com/

    by DAISHI on Mon Apr 28, 2014 at 08:07:41 PM PDT

  •  Just wondering... (0+ / 0-)

    Gee. is there any hope for the European at ALL? No, really, I'm serious!

  •  Dani Alvez is COOL! (0+ / 0-)

    And so was his response to the thrown banana! He took a statement that reduced him to less than human and used it to prove that he is more human than the racist who threw the banana. I just wish it was always that easy to show the racists how less than human they have chosen to become.

  •  Racism has nothing to do with sports. (0+ / 0-)

    Sports just happens to be one of the few remaining venues in which the unenlightened can practice it and think they can get away with it.

    Sterling was just today banned for life from the NBA; looks like this venue for racism is beginning to shut down, too.

    Neanderthals: get a clue...the world is moving away from you and leaving you in the dust.

  •  Viva o Brasil! (0+ / 0-)

    Love the nonchalance!

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