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Conservatives sure do love their domestic terrorists.
A conservative ponders his side's inability to vet its folk heroes, a failing that consistently leads to heartbreak and embarrassment.
[W]e find conservatives trapped in a cycle of abusive relationships. It’s almost like a trap. It usually goes like this: Government or the media oversteps its bounds, conservatives embrace the un-vetted victim, who — once feted and promoted on cable TV and talk radio (this is good business for conservative media, allowing them to pander to their viewers and listeners, and drive their political agenda) — says or does something utterly stupid. Then, MSNBC (and other liberal outlets) then spend weeks covering the boomerang part of the story.

… And then we repeat the cycle a few months later. What almost always starts out as a boon for conservatives leaves them with egg on their face.

The government totally overstepped its bounds by letting Bundy get away with not paying grazing fees for over 20 years, and by getting a court order authorizing the impound of the cattle. Such tyranny cannot stand!

Not sure how the Bundy mess was ever a boon for conservatives, but regardless, this is the best part of my job: watching Republicans embrace some wackjob because he said mean things about Obama or reinforces their biases, then having us laugh when it all blows up on their face. Whether it's Donald Trump, James O'Keefe, Joe the Plumber, Sarah Palin, Dean Chambers, Ted Nugent, Dinesh D'Souza or Cliven Bundy. It even blows up in their faces when they try to reverse this dynamic, such as claiming Don Sterling was a Democrat (he was registered the opposite of that).

The conservative movement's anti-government rhetoric inevitably breeds eliminationist and/or delusional cranks, and there is no shortage of Sean Hannitys cheering them on.

There is no similar phenomenon on the Left, not even close. We didn't rush to embrace Lyndon LaRouche because he said mean things about George W. Bush because we're apparently much better at sniffing out the crazies. There is no one in liberal punditry as consistently wrong as Bill Kristol, Dick Morris or Jennifer Rubin, because we don't need to bend reality to sleep at night. And when genuine liberals go down, like Anthony Weiner, Elliot Spitzer and John Edwards, we don't feel compelled to rally around them and invent conspiracy theories. If someone is a scumbag, party ID doesn't rescue them from our scorn.

Some conservatives wish their side wouldn't rush headlong into hero worship of creepy criminals and whatnot, but it's baked into their worldview. Weird, but true.

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  •  Modern conservative mumblings (56+ / 0-)

    are just one baby step from full on secessionist talk, IMO. I think those roots run deep in the party.

    Some humans ain't human some people ain't kind. They lie through their teeth with their head up their behind. You open up their hearts and here's what you'll find - Some humans ain't human some people ain't kind. John Prine

    by high uintas on Wed Apr 30, 2014 at 07:34:25 AM PDT

  •  Fear, Arrested Development, (24+ / 0-)

    Insecurity, all of the above and more.

    We view "The Handmaid's Tale" as cautionary. The GOP views it as an instruction book.

    by Vita Brevis on Wed Apr 30, 2014 at 07:34:45 AM PDT

  •  The republicons created them; they're stuck& (17+ / 0-)

    thats a good thing in the long term; short term it sucks for us.

    nosotros no somos estúpidos

    by a2nite on Wed Apr 30, 2014 at 07:37:04 AM PDT

  •  Wow... (11+ / 0-)

    The writing in that piece reads like a badly done remedial composition assignment.  We're trapped and it's almost like a trap?

  •  My theory... (9+ / 0-)

    ...is that these "conservatives" lack emotional intelligence. Instead, they cling to their ideology, and it blows up in their face.

  •  hierarchical thinking (28+ / 0-)

    Growing up around evangelicals in Texas, my sense is that there is a prohibition that people adopt against questioning any authority in the perceived heirarchy.  

    Nowhere is unquestioning more unquestioned than in the born again culture.  The one essential tenet that holds it all together is that no matter how preposterous the groupthink gets, you can't be part of the group if you question in.  

    Add to that the cynical strategy of trying to assemble a majority by appealing to the backward, the bigots, the frankly neurotic, the fearful and yes, the stupid and you have a cluster of essentially anti-whatever negativity.  

    How can this become a constructive drive for policies that might offer a solid basis for a better future?

    The question cannot be answered.  It is all a reaction against the progressive advances American society made in the 1960s, especially women's liberation, the sexual revolution and civil rights.

    How long can this go on?  I would have thought that this fever would have broken a long time ago.  

    hope that the idiots who have no constructive and creative solutions but only look to tear down will not win the day.

    by Stuart Heady on Wed Apr 30, 2014 at 07:38:31 AM PDT

  •  it's partly individualism (6+ / 0-)


    One of the characteristics of the left is individualism: we assume that we are each responsible for ourselves: this makes it difficult to get a big tent together, but at the same time, we don't feel compelled to embrace idiots and assholes on the left.  The right has always had a very low tolerance for dissent.

    "Kossacks are held to a higher standard. Like Hebrew National hot dogs." - blueaardvark

    by louisev on Wed Apr 30, 2014 at 07:39:05 AM PDT

    •  It's also a rejection of collectivism. (4+ / 0-)

      We are individually responsible for working for the common good. The libertarian right rejects that responsibility. The government is the enemy. It's "I've got mine; FU."

      •  Individualism vs. collectivism. (0+ / 0-)

        This goes to the heart of the eternal tug and pull on what the proper role of government is.

        There is no overriding answer to this, and the pendulum has swung back and forth throughout American history.  I reject both of these at their extreme, and my definition of balance varies according to what specific government function we are talking about.

        My answer on, say, air pollution regulation will differ from one on, say, NSA or legislating "proper" health care for women.

        In my dream world, someday this country can have an honest discussion about this issue, but I don't live in a dream world.

        The rapidity of change in today's world renders many folks unable to cope, and their response is often to run to one of the extremes.  As someone stated above, real emotional intelligence is needed to filter all this change and respond in a rational matter.  But most of the RWNJ are saying:  "Stop the world!  I want to get off!"

        "The truest measure of compassion lies not in our service of those on the margins, but in our willingness to see ourselves in kinship with them." Father Gregory Boyle, Homeboy Industries

        by Mr MadAsHell on Wed Apr 30, 2014 at 08:48:32 AM PDT

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  •  They embrace the crazies (18+ / 0-)

    because that is their base.  That is who they are.
    As a percentage of the electorate, it's on the smallish side.  Certainly too small to win a national election.
    But they do turn out to vote.  And they contribute money.  And they dutifully support the oligarchs, even as their own pockets are picked.
    And they send their fellow frothing at the mouth crazies to Congress, where, even if in the minority, they can cause havoc.
    The GOP has spent the last thirty-some years cultivating this mentality.  Rush Limbaugh.  Fox News.  The Tea Party.

    Hey GOP! You'll get my Obamacare when you pry it from my cold, dead hands. And thanks to Obamacare, that just may be awhile.

    by jazzmaniac on Wed Apr 30, 2014 at 07:39:45 AM PDT

    •  So why the hell can't we beat them (5+ / 0-)

      into the past where they live and out of our present?

      Because they cheat, as Bill Maher noted.

      And because Democrats embrace Wall St. and Corporate America, which provides the crazies with all their funding.

      It's like using fossil fuel and trying to bring peace to the Middle East. Or eliminating terrorism.

      Sorry folks, we can't both support the oligarchy AND beat the crazies, because the former recruits, nurtures and inflames the latter. HELL, and they've armed them to the teeth.

      And on top of that, now Big Brother is listening with really big fucking ears, so our every move to challenge, move and or dismantle oligarchy--you know, peaceful protest--is known beforehand.

      So don't blame the Right for selling us out to the Kochs as they tighten their grips into something permanently irresistible. They couldn't do it without the Third Way.

      Brilliant. Just fucking brilliant.

      I've never left a blank space on a ballot... but I will not vote for someone [who vows] to spy on me. I will not do it. - dclawyer06

      Trust, but verify. - Reagan
      Vote, but Occupy. - commonmass

      by Words In Action on Wed Apr 30, 2014 at 08:08:12 AM PDT

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      •  Because the Democrats are the stupid party (2+ / 0-)
        Recommended by:
        Stude Dude, Darth Stateworker

        I disagree with Bill Maher when he calls the GOP the stupid party. They're the crazy party! Dem leaders, including Clinton and Obama, shoot themselves and the party in the foot by embracing dumb policies.

        I do agree with Maher when he criticizes progressives, especially the youth, for sitting out elections, saying they're "too cool to vote, too hip to care." But a big part of that is the aforementioned stupidity of the Democratic party, especially the neoliberals.

        Conservatives (aka tea party nuts) are insane, and the Republican party has exploited that for decades, brilliantly at times.

      •  Why do they win (1+ / 0-)
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        Darth Stateworker

        You touched part of it:

        Because they cheat, as Bill Maher noted.
        The other part?

        Dems are too nice.  

        That's right, nice.  In general, most people who identify as progressive, liberal, dem, etc are at their core nice people.  They follow rules.  They treat others as they wish to be treated.  They are willing to listen to the other side and compromise so that everyone will come away a little happy. They like to "take the high road" and "keep their powder dry".

        Uh huh.  

        That doesn't work with crazies.  

        When that line of thinking is followed what happens is the Dems bend and bend and bend some more.  While the Gopers take and take and take some more...until we end up, well, where we are right now.

        I'm really not confident that the Dem party as a whole can overcome its inclination to be "nice".

      •  So, so true (0+ / 0-)

        and the true cynic in me cannot help but think what better way to ensure the plutocratic 'argument' has lots of fuel by ensuring that a black man would be nominated and elected POTUS.  Really, what better way to ensure there's rampant questioning of his 'capabilities'?  What better way to ensure his 'other-ness' is used as a bludgeon to destroy anything constructive he just might propose?

        Which is easier for the oligarchs to exploit - a black man or a white woman?  Hmmmmm.....

        It is brilliant.  And sickening that the spineless Dems do almost nothing to combat it.

  •  The don't have any heroes that Americans love (12+ / 0-)

    It is why they are trying to say that Reagan was a GREAT president.  They are renaming everything after Reagan, and it has reached the point that one Democratic Congressman sarcastically suggested that they stop naming the planet piece meal after Reagan and just go the whole hog and rename Earth after Reagan.

    And no, I do not believe that Reagan is loved by the American people, but he is the last Republican to be treading above water in approval ratings, so they will go with that.

    •  It's As If They Envy The Popularity Of Figures (3+ / 0-)
      Recommended by:
      MrJersey, Stude Dude, Jim Domenico

      like FDR, JFK and MLK but, recognizing the power of those iconic and anti-conservative messages, are futilely trying to appropriate that popularity with distorted spin that is doomed to fail to convince those who, drawn to the messages of FDR, JFK or MLK, make them popular.

      It doesn't make sense except as an admission that they have lost the battle for hearts and minds. So now they're all in for the oppressive power to fulfill their angry agenda of widespread punishment (for refusing to accept their nonsense?) and suffering (because less worthy and sadists?).

      Creationism is now "creation science." Martin Luther King is now a conservative and a Republican. Liberalism is now facism, etc. Any lie in the service of their selfish goal is no lie at all because those not on board with them aren't worthy of a moment's concern.

    •  Reagan was a shitty president (0+ / 0-)

      but he had a certain charisma, and a good teevee presence that worked for him.

      I think the reason why people like Reagan is more about the "image" he cultivated rather than anything he actually did.

  •  That 9-9-9 pizza guy was a classic (6+ / 0-)

    so let's not forget him...but Joe the Plumber and Sarah Palin are my favorites.

    I can't wait to see what 2016 will bring to the Traveling Republican Clown Circus. Riches beyond our present ability to imagine no doubt.

    "Do you realize that fluoridation is the most monstrously conceived and dangerous Communist plot we have ever had to face?" - General Jack D. Ripper

    by wilder5121 on Wed Apr 30, 2014 at 07:40:20 AM PDT

  •  Obamacare?...'Hate it'.....Check....Benghazi?..... (3+ / 0-)
    Recommended by:
    dewtx, wishingwell, itsjim

    'Coverup'....Check.....Guns?....'Love 'em'.....Check....IRS?.....'Anti-Murkin'.....Check.

    Okay...you're in.

  •  Wish we had rallied around Weiner (0+ / 0-)

    His indiscretions had nothing to do with his ability to be a good legislator. Puritanism runs strong here 400 years later, and we should fight that. And as for Spitzer, how he was caught seemed pretty shady, no theorizing necessary.

    Government and laws are the agreement we all make to secure everyone's freedom.

    by Simplify on Wed Apr 30, 2014 at 07:41:41 AM PDT

  •  Every Week New Video Of Local Cops Killing People (7+ / 0-)

    Often innocent people whose biggest crime was standing in their own front yard.  And yet all we hear is this wailing that the federal government is about to kill us all.  Local cops are all heroes, and the most crazy and corrupt ones (Sheriff Joe etc) become national celebrities.

    Men are so necessarily mad, that not to be mad would amount to another form of madness. -Pascal

    by bernardpliers on Wed Apr 30, 2014 at 07:41:52 AM PDT

    •  Yep (3+ / 0-)
      Recommended by:
      JeffW, bernardpliers, Jim Domenico

      And note, the ones wailing about the federal government very often ARE those local cops.  

      Federal power, of course, does conflict with local power.  The big lie by the Right is that local powers are somehow more inclined towards anything good.

      •  OathKeepers Say Local Cops Are Ultimate Authority (2+ / 0-)
        Recommended by:
        Stude Dude, new10

        I mean that's pretty scary - that they say these local cops should empower themselves as local warlords with posses of militia slobs.

        This goes back to anti-federalist arguement before the passage of the Constitution - that the enumerated powers of the federal government would be denied local government and vice versa. This is where they get the idea of nullification.   But in reality  federal hurricane aid does not rule out local relief efforts, etc etc.

        Men are so necessarily mad, that not to be mad would amount to another form of madness. -Pascal

        by bernardpliers on Wed Apr 30, 2014 at 08:36:17 AM PDT

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        •  Yeah, right! (1+ / 0-)
          Recommended by:
          bernardpliers

          It's fairly hard to come into the personal crosshairs of the head of the FBI.  But the local sheriff?  He just needs to drive past your house on election day and see the signs in your yard.

          •  I've Often Diaried Beck Fans Death Squad Fantasies (1+ / 0-)
            Recommended by:
            new10

            ANd the more they talk about loving Christ the more they are into the concept of genocidal "Just War" where God winks at slaughtering their neighbors.  They are very specific about forming up into death squads.

            Men are so necessarily mad, that not to be mad would amount to another form of madness. -Pascal

            by bernardpliers on Wed Apr 30, 2014 at 09:12:42 AM PDT

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  •  not so much embrace as death grip (5+ / 0-)

    Warning - some snark may be above‽ (-9.50; -7.03)‽ eState4Column5©2013 "I’m not the strapping young Muslim socialist that I used to be" - Barack Obama 04/27/2013 (@eState4Column5).

    by annieli on Wed Apr 30, 2014 at 07:42:37 AM PDT

  •  Two things that may contribute: (7+ / 0-)

    a) Fox and other media looking for exciting stories, and crazy absolutist unpredictable is exciting; and

    b) the look for highly motivated, enthusiastic citizens to offset declining numbers, e.g., offyear elections.

    The dossier on my DKos activities during the Bush administration will be presented on February 3, 2014, with an appendix consisting an adjudication, dated "a long time ago", that I am Wrong.

    by Inland on Wed Apr 30, 2014 at 07:42:41 AM PDT

    •  A predisposition to fear and fearmongering. (2+ / 0-)
      Recommended by:
      JeffW, Onomastic

      Those two.

      And you're right, the as electoral odds increasingly tilt against them, they are looking more and more like caged rats. With semiautomatic weapons.

      I've never left a blank space on a ballot... but I will not vote for someone [who vows] to spy on me. I will not do it. - dclawyer06

      Trust, but verify. - Reagan
      Vote, but Occupy. - commonmass

      by Words In Action on Wed Apr 30, 2014 at 07:50:25 AM PDT

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  •  DKos has it's very own Hannity - FrankRose (1+ / 0-)
    Recommended by:
    Words In Action

    Frank Rose gave the terrorists in the "Nevada deserts" a big ol' bear hug:

    http://www.dailykos.com/...

    http://www.dailykos.com/...

    And now, like Hannity, he's trying to forget that happened.

    "Looking back over a lifetime, you see that love was the answer to everything." — Ray Bradbury

    by We Shall Overcome on Wed Apr 30, 2014 at 07:46:04 AM PDT

    •  Read links before uprating (4+ / 0-)
      Recommended by:
      annieli, Aquarius40, Boris49, Noamjunior

      WeShallOvercome is linking to HIS OWN comments and pretending that they're evidence of something.

      What do the Defend-NSAers-at-any-cost hope for society to gain from Snowden turning himself in and standing trial? I suspect it'll be a cold day in hell before any of them finally give a reasonable, coherent answer to that question.

      by happymisanthropy on Wed Apr 30, 2014 at 07:57:36 AM PDT

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      •  Yes, that's true - the evidence is that there (0+ / 0-)

        was a discussion of open carry and how it relates to what's going on at the Bundy ranch. FrankRose says he supports terrorists' rights - I don't entirely disagree with that.

        And if Harry Reid thinks there are terrorists out there, it's good enough for me.

        But, the thread was specifically focused on open carry and whether the terrorists had the right to open carry on a Federal highway in sight of BLM agents enforcing a court order.

        My point is that open carry terrorists interfered with the enforcement of law. FrankRose said open carry was not an issue, in part because this situation is going on in the Nevada deserts.

        He fails to concede that this issue is happening on a Federal highway, and I believe Federal land.  

        And now those same terrorists are open carrying at check points they have set up and are stopping and questioning local residents.

        I think open carry is in fact an issue and I don't think the terrorists have the right to do it.

        "Looking back over a lifetime, you see that love was the answer to everything." — Ray Bradbury

        by We Shall Overcome on Wed Apr 30, 2014 at 08:53:40 AM PDT

        [ Parent ]

    •  So some guy (0+ / 0-)

      that nobody ever heard of is the DKos version of Sean Hannity.

      Got it.

      Patriotism is the FIRST refuge of the scoundrel.

      by Tony Seybert on Wed Apr 30, 2014 at 10:21:21 AM PDT

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  •  Like moths to a flame (6+ / 0-)

    The psyche of the Tea wants drama. Normal government - legal process all too school bookish type stuff, that is boring. It is much easier for it to be bumper sticker simple. Ol Clivven horses, cowboy hats, a set like Gunsmoke -- yes and dead calves, as well. It was too perfect.
    When you live in the fantasy land of no facts, no science, and no thought process, then you must run to the latest mirage while ignoring the buzzards circling over head. Great sunsets await.

    The past, present, and future are equally compelling; none of the three are easily understood.

    by Grey Panther on Wed Apr 30, 2014 at 07:46:13 AM PDT

  •  "but it's baked into their worldview" (1+ / 0-)
    Recommended by:
    a2nite

    They are all either Cliven Bundy, or at best one degree of him. The NSA wouldn't need three hops to find that out.

    I've never left a blank space on a ballot... but I will not vote for someone [who vows] to spy on me. I will not do it. - dclawyer06

    Trust, but verify. - Reagan
    Vote, but Occupy. - commonmass

    by Words In Action on Wed Apr 30, 2014 at 07:46:17 AM PDT

  •  There is the flip side as well - rejection of sane (24+ / 0-)

    or at least saner, people on the right.  In 2012, Democrats looked at Jon Huntsman and thought:  if this guy gets the nomination, we're in for a fight.  A republican who acknowledged climate change, had foreign policy experience (and understood nuance), actually worked with Democrats and had many centrist positions to go along with his conservative ones... a guy who was definitely to the right of us, but also not insane.  In short, someone that was a pretty strong candidate for the general election.

    And the GOP voters would have nothing to do with him in their primaries, preferring the occupants of the clown car.

    Libertarianism, n: A political philosophy some people embrace after the roads have been paved. (Stolen from Kurt Weldon)

    by lineatus on Wed Apr 30, 2014 at 07:47:01 AM PDT

  •  Many Dems, progressives, leftists (4+ / 0-)

    have the "Homeland Security since 1492" image in one format or another.  I'm rather surprised to see it displayed as righty, though I can see the spin they might give it.  Certainly not the intended or prevailing one.

    Pay no attention to the upward redistribution of wealth!

    by ActivistGuy on Wed Apr 30, 2014 at 07:47:06 AM PDT

  •  FOX and friends keep pushing right-wing racists (2+ / 0-)
    Recommended by:
    Aquarius40, Onomastic

    GOP is moving dangerously close to a Southern Pro Apartheid, Pro slavery party. In this GOP, there is no room for a Jeb Bush. FOX continues to feed the paranoia of militia, home-grown anti-Government groups, pushing them into a civil war like state of mind. An incredible disservice on this country. And it prevents the evolution of a center right GOP that the country needs. Just the unregulated influx of money keeps this Pro Apartheid ghost of a party currently alive.

  •  Coast to Coast AM nation (1+ / 0-)
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    bernardpliers

    Neoconservative strategy depends heavily on the fact that once an urban legend or factoid or conspiracy theory takes root in the public consciousness, it's there forever. It doesn't matter how many times it's disproven, you'll always have a certain number of people who for reasons of their own will defiantly insist that it's true because, just, they just KNOW it's true and nothing you can say to them and no amount of well-sourced debunkings of that belief you can show them is ever going to change their minds. So when Sarah Palin and Cliven Bundy are exposed as inept con artists, that may matter to us, but it won't make any difference to the people they've conned because their egos are so dependent on continuing to believe. In fact, it might be dangerous if they were forced to face the truth, because they'd undergo a psychological decompensation they weren't ready for. Fortunately, we know that roughly one-fifth to three-quarters of Americans aren't like that and are capable of being reasoned with. So we need to keep putting the truth out there and debunking the Palins and Bundys for the sake of the reasonable majority.

    •  sorry, I mean four-fifths (0+ / 0-)

      yes and many of us also suffer from innumeracy :/

    •  Unstudied Psychology Of Conspiracy Subculture (0+ / 0-)

      We know it attracts chronic underachievers, and that is a big basket that includes many people with mental problems.  Mostly we know that just from the history of mass movements.  Revolutions occur when a society deprives energetic young people of opportunities for productive work.

      The sense of inferiority (well actual inferiority)  is compensated by a theatrical display of mock superiority, both moral and intellectual.

      Men are so necessarily mad, that not to be mad would amount to another form of madness. -Pascal

      by bernardpliers on Wed Apr 30, 2014 at 08:21:02 AM PDT

      [ Parent ]

  •  Why Ask Why? (5+ / 0-)

    Why do conservatives keep embracing the crazies?
    _____

    That's all they have left.

    "The skeleton in the closet is coming home to roost!" Tom Stoppard

    by Apotropoxy on Wed Apr 30, 2014 at 07:51:48 AM PDT

  •  Let's face it (6+ / 0-)

    If the Fox folks were dumb enough to put a microphone in front of a 67-year-old Mormon rancher from the boonies and just let him blather on about the state of things, you were bound to find out that he may have some rather odd opinions.

    Hige sceal þe heardra, heorte þe cenre, mod sceal þe mare, þe ure mægen lytlað

    by milkbone on Wed Apr 30, 2014 at 07:52:50 AM PDT

  •  turds of a feather, and all that. (3+ / 0-)
    Recommended by:
    a2nite, Hillbilly Dem, Matt Z

    What we call god is merely a living creature with superior technology & understanding. If their fragile egos demand prayer, they lose that superiority.

    by agnostic on Wed Apr 30, 2014 at 07:53:56 AM PDT

  •  Our penchant for fighting amongst ourselves (9+ / 0-)

    sometimes has its remarkable upside:  It can keep us intellectually honest, and give us an alternative position to fall back on (which half of us believed all along).  

    The modern Conservative and Republican movements allow little disagreement within their "movement" or "party" such that even those who disagree slightly are afraid to speak out publicly for fear of fierce and public retribution and humiliation.  That party is now the party of the hand of the avenging sword.

    Diversity, real diversity, has its benefits.  We are proof of that.  And a more diverse and adaptive living organism will outlast that once-mighty rusting sword.  It's evolution, baby!

    "Out of Many, One Nation." This is the great promise of these United States of America -9.75 -6.87

    by Uncle Moji on Wed Apr 30, 2014 at 07:54:28 AM PDT

  •  Faith doesn't require evidence (8+ / 0-)

    Because they're operating purely from a faith based perspective, any evidence that supports their case is a bonus. Any and all evidence that is contrary to their assigned narrative is easily, conveniently and completely dismissed.

    Eight years of W's failures. What?
    The drunken clown rodeo of the 2012 election. What?
    Evidence of failure of Supply side economics. What?
    Evidence of failure of Austerity policies. What?
    Climate change evidence. What?
    Science. What?
    Etc. Squirrel!!

    But....

    Benghazi? Yaw!
    IRS scandal? Yaw!
    Fast-n-Furious? Yaw!
    Etc.? Yaw!!

  •  party driven by $$ = NO credible criticism of Dems (1+ / 0-)
    Recommended by:
    bernardpliers

    There certainly is lots of valid criticism of 2012-2014 democrats- but no GOPer will make them because whatever is bad with today's democrats is 1000 x worse with GOPers, and their paymasters wont allow valid criticism that could cut both ways. So the Am-radio/Fox news right-wing media  has to rely on increasingly ridiculous, false, and nonsensical criticisms leveled by a bevy of crackpots and lunatics who wouldn't know valid criticism if it bit them on the butt

  •  --Because Only Around 14% Favor Their Prime Goal (4+ / 0-)

    of restoration of the nobility.

    Without a populist fervor cobbled together from confusion over the complexity of modernity and loss of opportunity to alien minorities, the economic rightwing has never had a winning majority in most parts of the country, and even the militarists have at times run up against military anti-interventionist majorities.

    The nobility can only lose without Klan and congregation to drive the people and keep them convinced they're each other's true enemies.

    We are called to speak for the weak, for the voiceless, for victims of our nation and for those it calls enemy.... --ML King "Beyond Vietnam"

    by Gooserock on Wed Apr 30, 2014 at 07:56:26 AM PDT

  •  A compounding factor might be (3+ / 0-)
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    that the whackjob part of the right wing is larger, better-funded and hence more influential: it's hard to ignore crazies when they can screw you over in the primaries or the general election.

    There may also be a lock-in effect at work: Once the party embraced the crazies, party support reinforced their views and swelled their numbers, so now that they're faced with long-term electoral disaster by shifting the party's stance they'll also incure an immediate electoral disaster by angering the base. A devil's choice.

    I suppose there might be a lesson in there somewhere.

    Iuris praecepta sunt haec: Honeste vivere, alterum non laedere, suum cuique tribuere. - Ulpian, Digestae 1, 3

    by Dauphin on Wed Apr 30, 2014 at 07:57:11 AM PDT

    •  Yes, the funding and fomenting of the fundies (1+ / 0-)
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      and neo-confederates is simply the end stage of the wedge strategy. And it s a goddamn nightmare for democracy. As intended.

      I've never left a blank space on a ballot... but I will not vote for someone [who vows] to spy on me. I will not do it. - dclawyer06

      Trust, but verify. - Reagan
      Vote, but Occupy. - commonmass

      by Words In Action on Wed Apr 30, 2014 at 08:11:52 AM PDT

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  •  We do have government tyranny. (2+ / 0-)
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    It's called oligarchy. It's called sanctioned climate change denial. It's called whistleblower denial. It's called indefinite detention without a a charge. It's called mass surveillance. It's called the electoral system that prevents us from nominating and voting for candidates who actually represent us. It's called representative government that represents the donor over the voter. It's called the injustice system in which WHITE collar CRIMES, and the crimes of the wealthy in general, are not pursued and/or are effectively overlooked, because prisons are too dangerous for people of breeding and/or distinguished grooming.

    It's tyranny, and it can legitimately called many things.

    But it ain't called grazing fees.

    I've never left a blank space on a ballot... but I will not vote for someone [who vows] to spy on me. I will not do it. - dclawyer06

    Trust, but verify. - Reagan
    Vote, but Occupy. - commonmass

    by Words In Action on Wed Apr 30, 2014 at 07:58:23 AM PDT

  •  If we had IRV or proportional representation (1+ / 0-)
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    Maybe honest conservatives wouldn't embrace the crazies. Or at least they wouldn't have to do it.

  •  The Conservative, Authoritarian Brain Is the (4+ / 0-)

    caveman brain -- it's hard-wired to be paranoid, irrationally fearful, and delusional for survival against threats that no longer exist in most of the world.  (SEE 2011 Brain Scan Studies)

    Conservatives use their emotional brains called amygdalas to process information while liberals use their logical, rational, reasoning brains called anterior cingulate cortexes to process information.  This is why liberals value TRUTH and Facts while conservatives have a disdain for TRUTH and Facts.  (SEE 2011 Brain Scan Studies)

    The dangerous stupidity, moral bankruptcy, and clinical insanity that was on public display by teabaggers after Obama's 2008 election to the presidency motivated the medical profession to do the 2011 brain scan studies to try and explain conservatives' mental defectiveness.

    (In defense of conservatives, they can't pick their parents or their parenting techniques, but they can change if they have mind-altering epiphanies.)

  •  Conservatives don't embrace the crazies. (7+ / 0-)

    Conservatives are the crazies.

  •  Agree except for Hollywood tripe that trips over (2+ / 0-)
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    its liberal self with stupidity--Rosie O'Donnell, Alec Baldwin, Sheryl Crow, Joy Behar, et al.

    The suppression of uncomfortable ideas may be common in religion or in politics, but it is not the path to knowledge, and there is no place for it in the endeavor of science. Carl Sagan

    by Kvetchnrelease on Wed Apr 30, 2014 at 08:02:45 AM PDT

    •  true, they're out there, but few defend them. (1+ / 0-)
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      I can count on the fingers of one hand the number of people that defended alec baldwin. I think that's Kos' point.  Just like when the pubs and con pundits were shouting that donald sterling was a Democrat, most people around here said "so the fuck what? he's still a scumbag".

      A learning experience is one of those things that says, 'You know that thing you just did? Don't do that.' Douglas Adams

      by dougymi on Wed Apr 30, 2014 at 08:28:48 AM PDT

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  •  Because they vote reliably (1+ / 0-)
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    n/t

    America, we can do better than this...

    by Randomfactor on Wed Apr 30, 2014 at 08:04:06 AM PDT

    •  Nope. (0+ / 0-)

      They cheat AND the Democrats toy with populism but embrace meritocracy, neliberalism, neocon militarism, tepid environmentalism, security statism, etc., which inevitably strengthens oligarchy, which funds our opposition. Because they prefer cherry jobs with the enemy to the people and issues of which they claim to be champions. They ain't champions. They are frauds. And they, too, are sanctioned by the establishment Party machine...

      I've never left a blank space on a ballot... but I will not vote for someone [who vows] to spy on me. I will not do it. - dclawyer06

      Trust, but verify. - Reagan
      Vote, but Occupy. - commonmass

      by Words In Action on Wed Apr 30, 2014 at 08:19:24 AM PDT

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  •  Daily Cellar: website of deathwishes (2+ / 0-)
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    So if you are a conservative talk radio host, for example, might you not look at Bundy through the prism of Ruby Ridge? In the beginning, it might have been easy to assume Bundy would also go out in a blaze of glory, becoming a sort of martyr. And in this scenario, it would have been important to have staked out a pro-Bundy position before the government turned him into a real folk hero.

    Instead of killing him, the Obama Administration, it turns out, simply assassinated his character. Or, more precisely — they gave him enough rope to hang himself.

    It would have been better for the anti-government forces, I suppose, had Bundy met with a different fate.

    Dead men tell no tales, they say. They also don’t make racist comments.

    Warning - some snark may be above‽ (-9.50; -7.03)‽ eState4Column5©2013 "I’m not the strapping young Muslim socialist that I used to be" - Barack Obama 04/27/2013 (@eState4Column5).

    by annieli on Wed Apr 30, 2014 at 08:04:46 AM PDT

    •  Oh, that place is emblematic of the whole (2+ / 0-)
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      scene.

      If you want to see how the other half lives...

      Frankly, the Democrats' sick and tired rallying cry of "but it could be worse," if that's what they are planning to go with, would work best if they simply advertised what it is being said (and done) by the writers and commenters of places like the Daily Caller. Because that IS a despicable, scary place.

      I've never left a blank space on a ballot... but I will not vote for someone [who vows] to spy on me. I will not do it. - dclawyer06

      Trust, but verify. - Reagan
      Vote, but Occupy. - commonmass

      by Words In Action on Wed Apr 30, 2014 at 08:22:20 AM PDT

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  •  Pretty simple really (5+ / 0-)

    The rhetorical pretensions of the late William F. Buckley Jr. and his "intellectual" spawn not withstanding, Conservatism isn't really a critically thought out analysis or worldview. It's simply an assertion of ingrained prejudice.

    The Pavlovian response is, as you say, baked in.

    Nothing human is alien to me.

    by WB Reeves on Wed Apr 30, 2014 at 08:05:44 AM PDT

  •  1. They like simplistic messages. (5+ / 0-)

    Most crazies have simple solutions to all problems.
    "Drill, drill, drill. Bomb Iran. Stand up to Putin. Arm the rebels. The US government does not exist. Slavery is a good thing.
    Etc.
    2. Distraction.
    3. The truly crazy right wingers make the hard-core right wingers look moderate.
    4. Control the news cycle. With anything. Keep the media from discussing actual solutions to actual problems.

    And so on.

    You can't make this stuff up.

    by David54 on Wed Apr 30, 2014 at 08:10:42 AM PDT

    •  That's Explained In Detail In Mein Kampf (2+ / 0-)
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      I believe those sections were actually written by Goebbels because they are quite lucid.  I was actually thinking of offering to sit down with my conservative neighbor and spend on an hour walking through it with him, although I would warn him it would shatter his world view.

      Men are so necessarily mad, that not to be mad would amount to another form of madness. -Pascal

      by bernardpliers on Wed Apr 30, 2014 at 08:28:04 AM PDT

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  •  "There is no similar phenomenon on the Left... (1+ / 0-)
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    ...not even close."

    True, but this:

    "We didn't rush to embrace Lyndon LaRouche because he said mean things about George W. Bush because we're apparently much better at sniffing out the crazies."

    Is only partially true. We have higher standards for what's considered rational, but the reason that the left's publicly-visible crazy quotient is low is that our vetting is done for us by the center and right.

    We're definitely better at marginalizing our 'crazies' than right wingers are, though.

    "Believe nothing, no matter where you read it or who has said it, even if I have said it, unless it agrees with your own reason and your own common sense."

    by grape crush on Wed Apr 30, 2014 at 08:13:25 AM PDT

  •  Anthony Weiner is a good example (1+ / 0-)
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    We did not call the girl he was sexting a slut, or claim that she somehow entrapped him.  There was no conspiracy that she was paid by conservatives. Even Jon Stewart, who said he was a friend, use Weiner as a running joke of stupid politician behavior.

    I think it is a matter of personal responsibility.  When a person hits his girlfriend, we see that as a bad choice that was made by the person, not something the girlfriend caused to happen and deserved. When a person abuses drugs, we see that as a bad choice that the person made and chose not to address, not something caused by his wealth.  Conservatives seem to always be controlled by some external force, reacting to the current crisis, while progressives seem to more likely to be proactively mapping their own lives.  Maybe an over generalization, but just look at all the stories where some high power conservative seems to be happy claiming to have no control over their own lives.

    •  OTOH (1+ / 0-)
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      There was a case made here, explained in technical detail, that Weiner was a victim of a yFrog hack put up by couple of hostile stalkers that were also Breibart sycophants.

      "If this Studebaker had anymore Atomic Space-Age Style, you'd have to be an astronaut with a geiger counter!"

      by Stude Dude on Wed Apr 30, 2014 at 09:13:19 AM PDT

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  •  Boston Globe and W National Guard service. (1+ / 0-)
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    You guys never could let go of that one.

    LG: You know what? You got spunk. MR: Well, Yes... LG: I hate spunk!

    by dinotrac on Wed Apr 30, 2014 at 08:14:29 AM PDT

  •  They are the crazy. (0+ / 0-)

    Republicans are greedy racist homophobes who think they have a right to all the money and power and don't care if the planet becomes uninhabitable for most mammals. If you are not a greedy racist homophobe who doesn't care about the planet becoming uninhabitable, and you vote for Republicans, then you are crazy. They are all crazy.

  •  Even crazy people need a hug now and then. (1+ / 0-)
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    Some days it just makes more sense to climb out of the window when I leave my house.

    by glb3 on Wed Apr 30, 2014 at 08:16:30 AM PDT

  •  Because they can control them and make them… (1+ / 0-)
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    …do crazy shit out of thin air. Oh, and these nuts will vote GOP no matter what…

    Reverse the question: What is there for conservatives not to like???

  •  Really don't think the photo is of a conservative (0+ / 0-)

    Not too many conservatives think Native Americans have been fighting terrorism since 1492. More likely a Shoshone who has resisted the BLM takeover of their land.

  •  Because true conservatives have been marginalized. (3+ / 0-)
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    Here's what the dictionary has to say about the word "conservative":

    ...disposed to preserve existing conditions, institutions, etc., or to restore traditional ones, and to limit change.
    Conservatives in the Burkean "stick with the tried and true" sense are slightly above the Socialist Worker's Party in terms of their influence in contemporary American politics.  They're allowed to show up at Republican party events so long as they keep their mouths shut, upon pain of being labeled a RINO.

    The people who define what "Republican"means don't look to the recent past, say the 40s or 50s or 60s, to decide what works.  Instead they look to an idealized past, before either Roosevelt, indeed before the Civil War or at least the 14th Amendment.  They aren't interested in preserving anything that has been established by long American tradition; they're for throwing it all out and starting over.

    Trying to re-establish a romanticized past, long before living memory is not the hallmark of a conservative. That's a radical's habit of pig-headed oversimplification at work.   My old college history teacher called it: socialism will never take root in this country; it's too alien.  Fascism, on the other hand, is a real possibility.

    The Republican party is dominated by racists, reactionaries and authoritarians.

    I've lost my faith in nihilism

    by grumpynerd on Wed Apr 30, 2014 at 08:39:15 AM PDT

    •  Yes, back in the '50s I used to think of "true (1+ / 0-)
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      conservatives" as a kind of sea anchor that served the purpose of keeping liberals from going too fast or tipping over.

      But though there were some realistic conservatives then, the GOP was the home of Birchers, the Red Scared loyalty testers, the "fluoride in your drinking water", the "government knows the cure for cancer but is keeping it a secret" people.

      In Georgia, acting the fool with a gun is not only legal, it is encouraged by the governor and the state legislature.

      by Mayfly on Wed Apr 30, 2014 at 09:20:33 AM PDT

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  •  Reach back (2+ / 0-)
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    a couple of decades, and conjure the likes of Oliver North and G. Gordon Liddy as early GOP folk heroes.  It was a natural progression from Liddy, through Limbaugh, to Hannity and Bundy.  I rest my case.

  •  when you have (2+ / 0-)
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    no legitimate ideas extremism and zealotry are the only devices to motivate your base, that's conservatism 101 in today's america.

    save america defeat all republicans and conservatives

  •  And It Just Keeps Getting Better (1+ / 0-)
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    Conservative/Republican/Tea Party members just absolutely freaked out when Harry Reid called them "Domestic Terrorists" and now the militias around the Bundy Ranch are proving they are exactly like that.

    In fact Raw Story has a story about them setting up "check points" on state and county roads just like the pro-Russia militias in Ukraine. And even better news Raw Story has also picked up and linked TeamSarah4Choice's Diary about the militias around the Bundy Ranch now waring with each other just like the extremists and moderate rebel factions in Syria.

    And in the meantime Nevada law enforcement is standing around and doing absolutely nothing just like the Ukrainian police in the face of the Russian terrorists taking over eastern Ukraine.

    Its absolutely disgusting. But check it out.

    http://www.dailykos.com/...

    http://www.rawstory.com/...

    Collect Different Days

    by Homers24 on Wed Apr 30, 2014 at 08:46:17 AM PDT

  •  Stooopid, they're just plain ol' stooopid. (0+ / 0-)

    Don't confuse ignorance with native intelligence, that is, the one's I.Q. Ignorance is believing your own BS and/or someone's else's BS based on some ideology, religion, or ignorant prejudice. It's so much easier to just adopt some ideology, rather than think through the ramifications of assumptions. Just add water and stir.

    Their egos also have a mighty big dose of self-righteousness, and the delusional belief that those "others" over there are certainly not "us." They fail to grasp that we're all connected and that we all do better, when we all do better. Personally, I think a lot of the loonies are sociopaths.  

    The Republican brand is totally bankrupt.

    by vlyons on Wed Apr 30, 2014 at 08:47:01 AM PDT

  •  Matt Lewis, the conservative remarking here, (0+ / 0-)

    is one of the few straight-shooters that still embraces much of the conservative ideology.

  •  Its a rhetorical question (1+ / 0-)
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    even if you switch the subject and the object.

    Be the change that you want to see in the world

    by New Minas on Wed Apr 30, 2014 at 08:53:02 AM PDT

  •  Epistemic closure/ Confirmation bias (0+ / 0-)

    From another post:

    Confirmation bias (AKA epistemic closure or the conservative bubble) protects a conservative from harmful facts and opinions. But also has a hidden effect on social acceptability. They just don't know when to stop. Rush Limbaugh could not tell that calling Sandra Fluke a slut and illustrating the point would cause a backlash. Sean Hannity could not tell that supporting an armed open rebellion might be a bad idea. That's their weakness.
    They are emphatically not objective. They are faith based and hero worshiping. To them Mr. Bundy is not crazy. He is a hero for standing up for the true American conservative values. Ideology trumped reality for two weeks. They made their own reality, and it tasted so good. So, this is why they are constantly caught off guard when they collide with a reality check.

    If we abandon our allies and their issues, who will defend us and ours?

    by Bryce in Seattle on Wed Apr 30, 2014 at 08:53:15 AM PDT

  •  Reminds me of conservatives who say... (2+ / 0-)
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    ... "I just wish some Republicans weren't so sexist/racist/homophobic (take your pick)."  To my ears, it's like hearing "I wish the South Pole wasn't so cold, it would be a cool place to live."

  •  Conservativism is a black and white worldview (1+ / 0-)
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    Government intervention is always bad, tax increases always kill jobs, the market always fixes everything, etc.  This prevents conservatives from thoroughly vetting their heroes and anticipating the other shoe dropping.  Bundy hates the government, so he's a hero.

  •  where would any movement be (0+ / 0-)

    without all the crazies?  

  •  pun alert (0+ / 0-)
    conservatives embrace the un-vetted victim, who — once feted and promoted on cable TV and talk radio
    From feted to fetid?
  •  Why do they do this? Not enough quality........ (0+ / 0-)

    "intimacy" in their lonely, empty lives.

    “My soul is from elsewhere, I'm sure of that, and I intend to end up there." - Rumi

    by LamontCranston on Wed Apr 30, 2014 at 09:04:00 AM PDT

  •  "There is no similar phenomenon on the Left" (1+ / 0-)
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    We didn't rush to embrace Lyndon LaRouche because he said mean things about George W. Bush because we're apparently much better at sniffing out the crazies.
    True, but not very long ago a bunch of folks -- even some around here -- did do their best with Rand Paul.

    Non futuis apud Boston

    by kenlac on Wed Apr 30, 2014 at 09:50:27 AM PDT

  •  Ultimately, what do we get from this? (0+ / 0-)

    Aside from the fun of psychoanalyzing why cold and calculating political operatives on the right would market to the idiot quotient in the population, what do we get?

    Time to get it together.  

    THe Republicans are in a dysfunctional period and will continue to be until they lose a larger share of House and Senate seats and state house seats.  That means this will go on for a while yet.  

    So, progressive have time to work out an explanation for how the future works as a place we would like to live and for ways to get there that work.  

    Americans are mostly pragmatic.  Ideologically they are agnostic.  Public policy solutions have to be shown to work and to address real problems.  

    If the so-called conservative movement has nothing but denigration and poor mouthing to offer, the attention then turns to what do Democrats have in the works?

    There needs to be a lot of responses ranging from the use of media like this to get coherent explanations across to ideas that have been developed, to policy proposals along the entire front that have a chance of being real solutions.  

    There needs to be a large enough discussion around all this that it gets oxygen away from the conservative media monopoly.  

    We don't have the money to buy up conventional media operations.  But we do have a critical mass of educated enough people that we could create a general movement in a better direction.  

    We could.  We need to be about learning how.  I don't think anyone really knows how, but it isn't the sort of thing that can be figured out at a meeting anyway.  

    I like Daily Kos because it seems like it can really lead to the sort of dialogue across the US that is needed.

    To hell (perhaps literally) with conservatives determined to bury their heads in the sand.  

    hope that the idiots who have no constructive and creative solutions but only look to tear down will not win the day.

    by Stuart Heady on Wed Apr 30, 2014 at 09:58:12 AM PDT

  •  He even manages to drag Obama into it. (2+ / 0-)
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    With this paragraph:

    Instead of killing him, the Obama Administration, it turns out, simply assassinated his character. Or, more precisely — they gave him enough rope to hang himself.
    "More precisely"?  Uh, yeah Mr. Lewis.  Way more precisely.  Because there's a huge difference between assassinating someone's character...and simply allowing the person to do it to himself.

    You do know the difference...don't you?

    All that is necessary for the triumph of the Right is that progressives do nothing.

    by Mystic Michael on Wed Apr 30, 2014 at 10:02:27 AM PDT

  •  Laziness and apathy (0+ / 0-)

    The only thing the conservative movement has to offer is red meat conveniently served 24 hours a day with no more effort than it takes to work the clicker, flip the page of a crappy book,  open junk mail, or forward a chain letter.  About the most strenuous thing conservatism demands of people is voting.

  •  It's a good damn thing I don't run the BLM (1+ / 0-)
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    and parks service. If I were SecInt, there'd be NO grazing on ANY federal lands, period.

    Bundy & his buddies are the impetus behind repealing the Wild Horse protection act (and the revival of horse slaughter in the US, because the horses compete with these highly-subsidized cattle for grass and range).

    Bundy and others like him are scofflaw liars, thieves, and IMNVHO should not receive any benefit from the Federal or State governments for their crooked enterprises. As I've said before, he ought to be in jail.

    LBJ, Van Cliburn, Ike, Wendy Davis, Lady Bird, Ann Richards, Barbara Jordan, Molly Ivins, Sully Sullenburger, Drew Brees: Texas is NO Bush League!

    by BlackSheep1 on Wed Apr 30, 2014 at 10:16:00 AM PDT

  •  In order to understand what makes today's Right... (2+ / 0-)
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    ...do such insane, anti-social things, it is first necessary to understand what it means to be "conservative" in contemporary terms.  Once one has a thorough understanding of this, the question of "why answers itself.

    Hint: As Naomi Klein has stated: "I think that Republicanism is revealing itself as a personality disorder, not so much an ideology."

    All that is necessary for the triumph of the Right is that progressives do nothing.

    by Mystic Michael on Wed Apr 30, 2014 at 10:19:44 AM PDT

  •  IIRC, this is the "reflexive principle" in action (0+ / 0-)

    It's been a long time since I took algebra and logic, but

    x=x
    is pretty easy to remember.

    Shirley Chisholm was right. Our Republic is in deep trouble.

    by Big River Bandido on Wed Apr 30, 2014 at 11:15:19 AM PDT

  •  we have our silly lunatic fringe too (0+ / 0-)

    Right here in diaries every week, we can see the anti-vax crackpots, the loonie fringe of the anti-GMOers, and various other tinfoil-hat CTers babbling to everyone about their latest "worldwide corporate conspiracy oh noez !!!!" Our side is no more immune to accepting silly things as true just because we want them ideologically to be true, as the other side is. DKos may be reality-based, but certainly not everyone here is.

    The difference, of course, is that while their side's crackpots get to make policy, our side's crackpots just get laughed at.

    In the end, reality always wins.

    by Lenny Flank on Wed Apr 30, 2014 at 12:42:23 PM PDT

  •  I see your problem. (0+ / 0-)

    You seem to think there is something rational about modern conservatism and these "crazies" are just a small group on the fringe that seem to get attention.

    I would highly disagree with that.  The crazies are the embodiment of modern conservatism.  That is why they are "embraced".  They seem like crazies to us, but to Right wingers, Republicans and conservatives, these people represent everything they, their party, AMERICA stands for.  Crazies with crazy beliefs not based on fact or reality or evidence.  

    When the crazies start going on about ALL their crazy beliefs, it looks bad not necessarily because it is racist or sexist or whatever, but because it distracts from the original issue the right was ranting about.  If that Bundy rancher was originally being attacked for racist views, the right would still very much embrace him and talk about free-speech and censorship,etc.  They've done that before.  

    The problem is they can't deal with more than one issue at a time.  Limbaugh and Fox, etc, make their fortunes on the gullibility and stupidity of listeners.  Throwing too many different issues and talking points only confuses their listeners and puts them in a defensive position when their only goal is attack, attack, attack.

    So the crazies are the NORM in right-wing politics, not some fringe minority.  That is why they are embraced.  The problem is the right needs to control the script and discussion in order to keep their noise machine properly functioning.  Which, of course, keeps them rich and in power.

  •  Your question doesn't make sense, Kos (0+ / 0-)

    because it implies there's a difference between "conservatives" and "the crazies." They're one and the same.

    It's like the constant references to "Tea Partiers" as somehow distinct from "Republicans." There's no difference; just different terms for the same thing.

  •  Footballers (0+ / 0-)

    They've got to rally around anyone who wears the team colors. Wearing their team's colors makes them a trustworthy person! There is no question about that! This guy they just found and dusted off, whoever he is, must be held up as their new paragon of righteousness!

  •  The late Anne Richards (0+ / 0-)

    claimed that nothing made the right-wingers run to the polls like sex--they always want to know what's going on in other people's bedrooms.

    "The life of men and women is so cheap and property is so sacred." Rose Schneiderman-political activist-union organizer 1866-1972 .

    by lyvwyr101 on Wed Apr 30, 2014 at 01:55:23 PM PDT

  •  As many here will answer,... (0+ / 0-)

    ... because they (conservatives) decided sometime in the 90s that they (conservatives) were never and COULD never be wrong - about anything.

    All apparent errors are, were and will always be someone else's fault - probably backstabbing betrayal by us (Demoncrat Party Libs) by occasionally by weak-kneed RINOs.

    And that's why I discovered that I will never tolerate anyone stupid, ignorant insane and/or evil enough to vote Republican again.
    The evidence is in the paper and on TV every fucking day.  These are people whose bad-ness is only kept partially in check by our efforts - they'd kill if it didn't risk their own hides.

  •  This may be Kos's best essay ever (0+ / 0-)

    And that is saying something!

  •  Yeah, it's the question you don't ask... (0+ / 0-)

    ...that gets you.  Such as, "Why do the 'crazies' sound like the rest of us?"

    Liberals don't have this problem.

  •  They are believers, not questioners (0+ / 0-)

    Listen to the average republican voter. Engage them in conversation and keep a quiet tab on how many times the say either "I believe" or "I don't believe that". Do the same with  Democrats--especially liberal progressives. I guaranty the score will be greatly lop-sided in favor of showing republicans go one beliefs versus the other political persuasion which claims to have knowledge or no knowledge instead of positing a belief. This is how the ideologues and stingy rich zealots manipulate them. I don't watch Fox--ever. But I'd bet there is a lot of gossip kind of couch shows where people talk about their "beliefs".

    When I entered college and found myself very turned off by the culture of hero worship I didn't share, I resolved to not believe in believing. The keeps me out of arguments quite a bit. Either it is or isn't. My beliefs change nothing.

    "Education Is Not the Filling of a Pail, But the Lighting of a Fire" W.B. Yeats

    by RareBird0 on Thu May 01, 2014 at 12:51:32 PM PDT

  •  IT'S BECAUSE CONSERVATIVE LEADERS ARE AS CRAZY (0+ / 0-)

    as the "crazies".  Need I mention:  Wayne LaPierre, Sarah Palin, Michelle Bachmann, Rick Santorum, Newt Gingrich, Glenn Beck.

  •  Those Who Vote (0+ / 0-)

    for conservatives do so because "my daddy votes conservative" or they suffer from mental illnesses.

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