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Wisconsin Gov. Scott Walker speaks at CPAC 2013.
Nope, not going to pardon anyone.
On a cool fall evening in September of 2004, a young man made a mistake after an evening of drinking. He took a swing and broke someone's nose. According to Grant County county case 2004CF000139, he was convicted of breaking Wisconsin Statute 940.19(2)—Substantial Battery-Intend Bodily Harm. A felony conviction. In most cases that would be the end of the story. Young man gets drunk, young man punches other man, breaks other man's nose. Young man is convicted of crime.

But, that is not the whole story. Eric Pizer was a Marine.

During his four years in the Marines, the 6-foot-2 former high school wrestler and football player excelled, earning two commendations and the rank of corporal.

Pizer served two tours of duty, one in Kuwait and one in Iraq. During that deployment, he faced peril on refueling missions from bombs hidden along the roads and from rocket-propelled grenades fired into the Al Asad Airbase, where he was stationed.

One night, Pizer said, a grenade hit the wall just outside his tent, blasting him out of his bunk.

Please read below the fold for more on this story.

The Marine had been home for two days.

On Sept. 18, 2004, Pizer, then 23, was out on the town in Boscobel. After some bar-hopping, he stepped into the middle of a scuffle in an alley between his friend and a jealous husband, trying to break it up.

“(They were) poking me in the chest, chest-bumping me, getting in my face ... When (the husband) came at me from my peripheral vision, my side, he said he was going to kill me and I just instinctively reacted ‘cause I couldn’t see his hands. It was a very dark night behind a garage in an alleyway. I couldn’t see if he had something in his hands to stab me with, shoot me with, bash me with. So I just instinctively gave him a right jab.”

With that one punch Pizer's life changed forever. He was charged and convicted of a felony; he had had no prior incidents, and this was his first offense. In the ten years since that night Pizer has gone on to get an Associates Degree in Criminal Justice. However, as a felon he cannot carry a gun, something he needs to be able to do in order to work in law enforcement. The Grant County DA has refused to reduce the charge so that Pizer could work in law enforcement.

That leaves only one option for Pizer, a gubernatorial pardon. In the past one could request a pardon from the governor. It would go to the pardons board for consideration and they would send a suggestion to the governor.

Over the past 35 years, Wisconsin governors, both Republicans and Democrats, have issued 986 pardons, according to the Secretary of State’s office, which tracks pardon grants.
But, not Scott Walker. He has not appointed a pardons board and has refused to issue any pardons. He claims they undermine the criminal justice system.

When I first heard of the CPL Eric Pizer I felt that as he was a Marine he should have known better than to throw a punch. But, two tours in war zones have impacted this young man.

Pizer did come back with some scars.

For years, he said, he obsessively scanned the road, seeing possible explosives in every deer carcass and culvert.

To this day, he sits at the back of the restaurant facing the door to make sure he can see what’s coming.

After hearing more of his story and the remorse he feels for that September evening in 2004, I feel he deserves a second chance. He has served his country, has been on two combat tours, one of which he volunteered for. This young man gave up his youth to serve in the Marine Corps. Today he works at a big box lumberyard and as a piano mover.

He could do more for the people of Wisconsin, but he is still paying for a split-second decision made two days removed from the Marine Corps and two combat tours.

This is not a Republican Party or a Democratic Party issue. This is about compassion and second chances. One black spot on Eric Pizer's record should not haunt him for the rest of his life. He has paid his debt to society—it is time for Governor Walker to convene a pardons board and pardon Eric Pizer so that he can get on with his life, support his son, and give back to a community in Wisconsin by serving once again with honor on a local police force.

Originally posted to Daily Kos Labor on Sun May 04, 2014 at 10:59 AM PDT.

Also republished by Badger State Progressive and Daily Kos.

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    by Mark E Andersen on Sun May 04, 2014 at 10:59:14 AM PDT

    •  Perhaps a better headline would be (19+ / 0-)

      'Voters of Wisconson Refuse To Give Scott Walker a Second Chance'......

       'Former Governor Scott Walker had much in common with several other former Governors who were handed pink slips by their voters. The large amount of newly redundant politicos is expected to have a temporary effect on the unemployment satistics, at least untill new policys enacted by their succesors manage to make an impact through a massive infrastructure program. It is also expected that many of the newly unemployed Govornors and their staffs will be able to get jobs digging.........'

      Have to wait untill November to see it, but I'd be willing to bet there are enough veterans in Wisconson who may not like this attitude of Walkers. ( or was he instructed to do this by his owners? )

      it tastes like burning...

      by eastvan on Sun May 04, 2014 at 01:38:46 PM PDT

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      •  Ironicly, at a function last night at my old Army (16+ / 0-)

        unit, the current Sgt Major related a story about when he was travelling cross country to his new posting. He was sucker punched in a bar resulting in him reporting in to his new Sgt Major with a grade 'A' shiner ( "what the f@#k are they doing, sending me another scrapping Sgt!!! ).

         It was bar, anything could happen. And it shouldn't follow for life. But I do wish it upon Scotty. I also wish Scotty was a veteran ( thus having some understanding ). But he was never good enough to be a veteran. He has, shall we say, certain lackings....

        it tastes like burning...

        by eastvan on Sun May 04, 2014 at 01:45:45 PM PDT

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        •  Let's start with Eliot Spizer (0+ / 0-)

          and see how many politicians have gotten 2-3-4 chances?

          If I wasn't Bob Dylan, I'd probably think that Bob Dylan has a lot of answers myself. Bob Dylan

          by weezilgirl on Sun May 04, 2014 at 11:06:58 PM PDT

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          •  Spitzer?? (4+ / 0-)
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            The second Spitzer screwed up, he was gone, and hasn't held elective office since.  When exactly was his second chance?

            •  Didn't he write a column for HP (1+ / 0-)
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              and appear on television?

              If I wasn't Bob Dylan, I'd probably think that Bob Dylan has a lot of answers myself. Bob Dylan

              by weezilgirl on Mon May 05, 2014 at 06:34:44 AM PDT

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              •  If that's "second chance"... (9+ / 0-)

                What would be your definition of not getting a second chance? Total banishment from society? Unemployment for life?

                Spitzer did not get a second chance, in the sense that his chosen career in which he had achieved enormous success, remains closed-off to him.

                •  Spitzer's actions calculated (6+ / 0-)

                  The Marine's knee-jerk reaction was in response to his life being threatened.  Spitzer's action was calculated, manipulated, deceitful over a long period.  Sorry, no remorse for Spitzer.   Can't be trusted.

                  •  Knee-jerk (2+ / 0-)
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                    We don't need anyone prone to knee-jerk violence in a high stress job carrying around a loaded gun.  We have too many of those already.
                    He should find another line of work.

                    •  Agreed -- (0+ / 0-)

                      nor do we need to make excuses and give special breaks to individuals who -- if not "entitled" because a veteran -- would not get them.

                      Let's look at the moral dimension of these pro-"he served his country" rants.  

                      The invasion and occupation of Iraq were illegal.  Anyone who went along with that is complicit in, and in advancing, the illegality.  And that is contrary to the oath sworn on entering military service: to protect and defend the Constitution and laws -- not to protect and defend a lie-based illegality.

                      When do those who defended the country by not supporting the lie, and the illegality based thereon, get the special exemptions and treatments they've earned?

                      This is the country of those three great rights: freedom of conscience, freedom of speech, and the wisdom never to exercise either of them. -- Mark Twain.

                      by JJustin on Tue May 06, 2014 at 08:45:37 AM PDT

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                      •  It is the Soldier, (0+ / 0-)

                        not the minister, who has given us freedom of religion.
                        It is the Soldier, not the reporter, who has given us freedom of the press.
                        It is the Soldier, not the poet, who has given us freedom of speech.
                        It is the Soldier, not the campus organizer, who has given us freedom to protest.
                        It is the Soldier, not the lawyer, who has given us the right to a fair trial.
                        It is the Soldier, not the politician, who has given us the right to vote.
                        It is the Soldier who salutes the flag,
                        Who serves beneath the flag,
                        And whose coffin is draped by the flag,
                        Who allows the protester to burn the flag.

                        - Charles Province (often incorrectly attributed to Fr. Dennis Edward O'Brien)

                        The man should never have been convicted either way.  It was a clear case of self-defense.

                        •  The soldier did not "give" us anything; (0+ / 0-)

                          except support of war.

                          The "freedoms" you list were established in legislatures, in laws, by elected individuals who were not on the battlefield.

                          A soldier may, in some instances, defend the country in which those freedoms are enshrined.  But he does not give those freedoms.

                          But let's break this bunkum down seriatim:

                          [It is the Soldier] not the minister, who has given us freedom of religion.
                          It was clergy, other than those of the established state religion, who, through decades of protest, successfully established freedom of conscience/religion -- by lobbying the civilian lawmaking body.  

                          The idea that, on one hand, "religion" is about peace, and turning the other cheek, yet on the other nonetheless relies on the military to do righteous killing in behalf of "religion," is what disabuses "religion" of its legitimacy.

                          It is the Soldier, not the reporter, who has given us freedom of the press.
                          Freedom of the press was initially established in a NY court of law (see Zenger), though agitations for it had been going on among the general civilian population since the foundings of the several colonies.
                          It is the Soldier, not the poet, who has given us freedom of speech.
                          It was civilians, primarily clergy of disestablished "religions," who pushed for and succeeded in establishing freedom of conscience/"religion," and therefore freedom of speech.
                          It is the Soldier, not the campus organizer, who has given us freedom to protest.
                          It is the Founders -- civilians, not soldiers -- who established freedom of dissent and protest, by along the way engaging in such as the "Boston Tea Party".
                          It is the Soldier, not the lawyer, who has given us the right to a fair trial.
                          It is John Adams, lawyer and civilian, who gave us right to a fair trial by taking on the defense of the British troops involved in the so-called "Boston Massacre".

                          And he did that against majority opposition -- including the opposition of his cousin Sam Adams.

                          It is the Soldier, not the politician, who has given us the right to vote.
                          The right to vote existed from the beginnings of the colony, as a matter of English law.  The right to vote was expanded -- to include women, to include African Americans and others of color -- by civilians working for decade upon decade upon decade to that end.

                          Martin Luther King, Jr. was not a soldier.

                          It is the Soldier who salutes the flag,
                          Who serves beneath the flag,
                          And whose coffin is draped by the flag,
                          And the soldier who blindly follows illegal orders to illegally invade and occupy a non-threatening sovereign nation, and who, once there, imposes the war crimes of torture and death upon civilians, without bothering with the technicality of due process and trial by jury.
                          [It is the soldier] Who allows the protester to burn the flag.
                          We are a civil -- not military -- society.

                          It is our Constitution, which keeps the military in "exact subordination to the Civil Power" (Sam Adams), which protects the civilian population from the military and its predictable abuses.  Thanks to our Constitution, the "soldier" has no say in how and whether the civilian population may or shall exercise their rights.

                          - Charles Province (often incorrectly attributed to Fr. Dennis Edward O'Brien)
                          Author of santimonious anti-Constitutionalism.  Ours is a civil -- not military -- society.  Becasue the Founders/Framers did not trust the military.
                          The man should never have been convicted either way.  It was a clear case of self-defense.
                          We don't yet know that we know all the facts.  And I would expect a defendant to offer a defense of, "I'm innocent."

                          But a person suffering PTSD shouldn't be given the opportunity to play a quasi-military role in an armed profession such as law enforcement.

                          This is the country of those three great rights: freedom of conscience, freedom of speech, and the wisdom never to exercise either of them. -- Mark Twain.

                          by JJustin on Wed May 07, 2014 at 11:37:52 AM PDT

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                          •  Legislatures and courts have no power... (0+ / 0-)

                            No amount of political class bleating has ever secured ANYthing for people.  They can pass bills and decisions until they're blue in the face, but in the end can be easily ignored.

                            Only force and the willingness to use it secures their authority, and hence our liberties.

              •  Yes, he had his own cable news show (3+ / 0-)
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                And he was quite nearly elected again, if not for Anthony Weiner blowing up his spot.

                However, we have an elected Senator in Louisiana that keeps getting extra chances, a Congressman in South Carolina, and of course there's always Bill Clinton and his several chances...

                •  And Larry Craig didn't resign. (2+ / 0-)
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                  It isn't just Republicans, Democrats are let off the hook. It is disgusting. If I wore diapers with male hookers, I would be ostracized by everyone who knew about it.Think about how hard it would be to walk into the feed store and buy corn for my hens and birds.  Of course I'm just a little old white lady who has no political clout. :) (no money either to buy a good supply of diapers)

                  If I wasn't Bob Dylan, I'd probably think that Bob Dylan has a lot of answers myself. Bob Dylan

                  by weezilgirl on Mon May 05, 2014 at 12:09:19 PM PDT

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              •  HuffPo? Really? (1+ / 0-)
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                Everyone and his brother has a HuffPo column, and "television pundit" is a far cry from "New York State governor".

            •  spitzer (0+ / 0-)

              i believe he was given a job as a correspondent,media,news. you can bet that he made a bundle of money as they always take care of their own. this marine will not be given shit but a record and therefore have trouble EVER getting a job AGAIN. its bullshit. how about a new requirement to obtain any political office is you MUST SERVE IN THE MILITARY.fuck scott walker hes an asshole. he has shown his true colors since he was voted in by the biggest morons in any stste. HOW DO YOU MORONS VOTE FOR THESE IDIOTS?

    •  Scott Walker is the Epitome of Courage (7+ / 0-)

      Can you please send help?  

      I think I tore something laughing so hard at the headline of this post!

      Walker is your classic Republican.  Born on third base and thinks he hit a home run.  So for him the quality of mercy is strained unless of course he or his ilk get in trouble then they wonder why we can't just forgive.  

      Get the victim a nose job!

      AND THEN GO FORTH AND SIN NO MORE!!!

      They could have just made the young man pay some restitution or do some community service and end the matter.

    •  The description above sure sounds like the marine (3+ / 0-)
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      threw the punch in self defense.  
      "When (the husband) came at me from my peripheral vision, my side, he said he was going to kill me ... I couldn’t see if he had something in his hands... I ... gave him a right jab.”

      IF this is the true story, then the marine never did anything wrong.  When someone threatens you and then comes after you, you have the right to self defense.

      Just out of curiosity, if the marine had shot and killed the husband under the same conditions, would he have pled SYG and gotten off?

      •  he description above sure sounds like the marine (0+ / 0-)

        Well, other than the fact that SYG probably didn't exist back then.

        But if it was today, in Florida, it would have probably been illegal for the Police department to even investigate the situation.

    •  Because Snotty Walker is a TOOL. (1+ / 0-)
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      When I was a kid I was in Silver Springs/City Colorado where some 4 years later his parents spawned this sociopath. When I was 14, had I but known that 10 yr old scotty was here & would someday become Governor, I would have devoted my life to becoming Governor (Blech),
      just to make sure that didn't happen. I mean it.

      But we are gonna kick his ass in November, as there are way more actual Wisconsinites who are realizing what this guy is.

      And he AIN'T NO BADGER.

    •  Walker (0+ / 0-)

      Also not even pretending to be able to think.  His simplistic black-and-white world view and inability to accept input that does not support his personal opinions or his own version of reality makes him qualified to be a mobster - but certainly not a governor.  Unless, of course, he sucks on the TP teat.

      "The French have no word for entrepreneur!" G. W. Bush

      by bbuudd on Tue May 06, 2014 at 04:22:28 AM PDT

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  •  My brother in law is totally disabled from PTSD (42+ / 0-)

    from his service in both the first Gulf War and from tours in Iraq and Afghanistan. He's not violent, but has been left with serious psychological deficits which were further exacerbated by the death of his twin brother, my husband, last year. He FINALLY got into a program through the VA but had to move to Florida to take part in it, uprooting his family to do so.

    The way we are treating these vets is totally unacceptable.

    Scott Walker is a heartless, evil man.

    SPES MEA IN DEO EST.

    by commonmass on Sun May 04, 2014 at 11:07:11 AM PDT

    •  Thank You (10+ / 0-)
      The way we are treating these vets is totally unacceptable.
      As a Vietnam vet with PTSD I am appalled by the lack of understanding and information surrounding PTSD.  The misinformed "Rambo" stereotype is now taking its toll on another generation of combat vets.
       

      I fear no God or lack thereof since neither is the case.

      by post rational on Sun May 04, 2014 at 01:32:42 PM PDT

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      •  There's PTSD and there's PTSD. I had some after (1+ / 0-)
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        I was hit by a drunk driver and very badly injured- I was in and out of the hospital for over a year and had three surgeries as a result. Subsequent to that accident, I would freak out and nearly lose control of my car whenever I heard locked up tires squeal. Unfortunately there was a commercial running on radio that had exactly that sound on it and I would freak out whenever it came on the air. My fear of losing control of my car from this sound made me take public transport for 6 months or so. I got therapy, though it was debilitating for a while, and I recovered completely in less than a year. Presumably the much more intense PTSD suffered by vets who were blown up or repeatedly subjected to stressful events would take longer. But I know that you can get completely better.

        "Mit der Dummheit kämpfen Götter selbst vergebens," -Friedrich Schiller "Against Stupidity, the Gods themselves contend in Vain"

        by pengiep on Mon May 05, 2014 at 01:12:49 PM PDT

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        •  Exactly Right (0+ / 0-)

          Which gives me hope for our current vets.  If it can be addressed ASAP, the effects can be ameliorated to some degree.  Long term PTSD, not so much.
              I suffered a bad bicycle crash in '06 and would panic at the thought of riding in traffic. After 4  prompt sessions of EMDR I was fine.  
             The PTSD I picked up in 'nam was the result of near constant danger  for 24 straight months. It wasn't until 38 years later that I was diagnosed.  By then the damage was already done.  I lived in relative isolation most of that time. Relationships always failed.  I've switched jobs nearly 100 times.
               Once I was diagnosed, there wasn't much that could be done other than learning to recognize what "sets me off" and avoiding those situations.   I'm retired now and don't have to deal with much stress so life is easier but far from normal.
             

          I fear no God or lack thereof since neither is the case.

          by post rational on Mon May 05, 2014 at 09:17:43 PM PDT

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  •  Really? (6+ / 0-)

    You would thing Walker and the NRA would do whatever it takes to put a gun in his hands (or anyone's for that matter).

    •  Yeah, with stand your ground, Pizer coulda shot em (3+ / 0-)
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      Just not punched angry husband in the nose.

      What stronger breast-plate than a heart untainted! Thrice is he arm'd, that hath his quarrel just; And he but naked, though lock'd up in steel, Whose conscience with injustice is corrupted. Henry VI Part II Act 3 Scene 2

      by TerryDarc on Sun May 04, 2014 at 11:55:41 AM PDT

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  •  "undermine the criminal justice system" (12+ / 0-)

    There's undermining and there's destruction. Obviously, Walker doesn't understand the difference.

    Nobody's going to rally around a criminal pardon board, but they have been a part of government as a kind of safety valve. Failing to assemble and convene this board is another count of destroying our identity as a people.

  •  this is about someone being falsely charged with a (21+ / 0-)

    crime. he never should have been charged at all, self-defense is an inherent constitutional right. what he needs to do is get a decent criminal attorney, and have the charge & conviction tossed out. whoever the prosecutor was should also be remonstrated by the state bar. if it were me, i'd go after the county full bore, hit them for a malicious prosecution charge, force the DA to explain him/herself to a judge.

  •  Wonder how many crimes Mr. Law & Order (18+ / 0-)

    has committed since being elected?

    Severely Socialist 47283

    by ichibon on Sun May 04, 2014 at 11:13:19 AM PDT

  •  Should have murdered him with a gun (1+ / 0-)
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    Pizer should have murdered the man with a gun.  Then he would be Walker's hero.  Especially if he emptied the clip.  

  •  The contrarian in me says... (41+ / 0-)

    First, I would slow down on the appeal to his service.  Many people who weren't in the service are in similar situations and they all need to be treated equally.

    The other reason that this is not a good test case is something you quoted from the original story:

    To this day, he sits at the back of the restaurant facing the door to make sure he can see what’s coming.
    Like many returning veterans, he appears to have some mental scars to go with the physical ones.  And he's probably been given little to no help with those mental issues.  I am not sure it is appropriate for anyone in that situation to have a gun. He broke a guy's nose.  If he had a gun and was on the force, would he shoot someone because he mistook a cell phone for a gun?

    I would certainly pardon this individual(felony for a drunken bar fight, really?), but I'm not sure he should be allowed to carry a lethal weapon.

    •  Right. He shouldn't get a free pass just because (9+ / 0-)

      he's a veteran.

      •  OK. How about a fair shot, then? (7+ / 0-)

        I don't hear anyone saying free pass.

        I think vets want props, not just sell the farm and give in to whatever ails them. They need help and understanding.

        What stronger breast-plate than a heart untainted! Thrice is he arm'd, that hath his quarrel just; And he but naked, though lock'd up in steel, Whose conscience with injustice is corrupted. Henry VI Part II Act 3 Scene 2

        by TerryDarc on Sun May 04, 2014 at 11:59:35 AM PDT

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        •  not a free pass, but emotional appeal (4+ / 0-)
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          I just wanted to clarify my thoughts.  I don't think the author was suggesting a free pass.  I just don't think we need to emphasize his service to make the point.  Felony conviction for a drunken punch* is ridiculous, whether the person who threw the punch is a veteran, a former astronaut*, or an 18 year old person of color.  It's like the stories about people being sent to prison for life on a 3-strikes law when one of the strikes was felony jay-walking.  Or something equally ridiculous.

          *Assuming that is all it really was.  There's going to be a lot of conflicting reports about what happened.

          * You can bet Buzz Aldrin wouldn't have been charged with a felony.  Watch http://www.youtube.com/... if you haven't seen it.  And he wasn't even drunk AFAIK.

          •  If we knew a bit more... (1+ / 0-)
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            ...like who the guy that got punched was. Like if he was the mayor's son or friend of the police chief. Even if he just knew the cops on the scene. Or past history of the assailant. Lotsa stuff, but on the face of it, just way too harsh to ruin a kid's life.

            That, for sure, would do it.

            What stronger breast-plate than a heart untainted! Thrice is he arm'd, that hath his quarrel just; And he but naked, though lock'd up in steel, Whose conscience with injustice is corrupted. Henry VI Part II Act 3 Scene 2

            by TerryDarc on Sun May 04, 2014 at 02:57:07 PM PDT

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      •  free pass? (2+ / 0-)
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        So it's a free pass to get a felony conviction that follows you around for life for one punch in a situation where at the very least it was a muddled situation?

        Really?

    •  There is much in what you say. (14+ / 0-)

      This is a young man--it sounds like he got a raw deal but it seems to me that there are many worthy careers that don't involve carrying a gun and putting yourself in a situation in which anger issues and PTSD might make you liable to make another mistake.  Walker is a terrible person but this is not evidence of his awfulness.  This kid needs a new career, one not based on guns.

      •  What's with these dufuses who can't distinguish (0+ / 0-)

        between giving this guy a pardon and handing him a gun or putting him on the police force? Walker's failure to even convene a pardon board most certainly is evidence of his awfulness.

      •  to be clear PTSD is not necessarily (0+ / 0-)

        a generalized "anger issue" in the same way other people "are angry" and we have no evidence he has any general "anger issue" more than other young men his age. He will have, instead, specific triggers that cause him to over react to what is happening in the moment. I think given the stigma of PTSD and how many overgeneralize, it is good to be very clear about this.

        His behavior in hitting the other man, if his story is true, is self defense it seems and if true doesn't seem to be an over reaction. It is not fair to conclude that his reaction to a physical threat was PTSD related if his reaction was in line with what would be normal/reasonable in the situation.

        It'would be unfortunate if an undeserved felony record is used only to keep him out of law enforcement. With a felony record you can't find other work easily either. If his story is true, I'd hope he'd get a pardon because he deserves it. What he did doesn't seem felonious.

        I pray he does not work in law enforcement, not because he has a PTSD diagnosis in itself, but because he is hypervigilent so still has untreated symptoms. He sits in restaurants still, scanning the crowd for danger. So in that we agree-last thing we need is (another) hypervigilent over-reactive cop!  But the Governor isn't the person who decides this and giving someone a felony record to prevent them going into law enforcement is crazy. Hopefully law enforcement employment screening would screen him out.

        •  even more clarity (0+ / 0-)

          you may know all this but not everyone will.

          Many people do have some generalized anger with PTSD. But not everyone. We don't know that he does. I know some very, very gentle people who have PTSD. They don't have the anger thing, only triggers. When triggered anger can be one reaction but it isn't generalized anger.

    •  Doesnt mean he should work in law enforcement, (20+ / 0-)

      but really...losing ones right to even apply over a barfight? Ridiculous.

    •  At the top of the rec list right now, there's a (9+ / 0-)

      diary about a sheriff who used excessive force (sadistically, from the sounds of it) and many of the comments refer to police who are too quick to resort to force.  It is odd to see the juxtaposition of these stories.  This guy could very well be an excellent police officer, but I would hope that he'd had some treatment for PTSD over the last ten years.

      Libertarianism, n: A political philosophy some people embrace after the roads have been paved. (Stolen from Kurt Weldon)

      by lineatus on Sun May 04, 2014 at 11:34:47 AM PDT

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      •  well if you want to say (2+ / 0-)
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        no one who's ever been convicted of a felony can be a police officer, I'm fine with that.  But this guy having a life-long felony conviction is beyond ridiculous.

        •  I agree with you about the life-long conviction (1+ / 0-)
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          being ridiculous.  I know that the conviction will keep him from a lot of other jobs that he could do well with no cause for concern, just because of the biases against a criminal record.  That would probably keep him from being a bank teller, for example, or pretty much any other job that involves handling cash.  Likewise, he'd have a hard time getting work around any kind of controlled substances, from alcohol to pharmaceuticals.  

          And as I say, he could very well be a good police officer.  It's just probably not the best argument to make for overturning his conviction.

          Libertarianism, n: A political philosophy some people embrace after the roads have been paved. (Stolen from Kurt Weldon)

          by lineatus on Sun May 04, 2014 at 01:46:07 PM PDT

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    •  The question is (1+ / 0-)
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      Has he used va mental health services for his mental health concerns s. The Tomah va has a very good program for post traumatic stress recovery.

      It doesn't bother me that he watches doors. As a former corrections employee I also do this behavior. Most cops also do this. Protect your back and remain aware is a reflection of training.

  •  It's time for Walker to convene a pardons board. (14+ / 0-)

    It's also time for him to become a human being.

    Neither is likely to happen. That's what makes him the perfect embodiment of Republican ambition and ideology.

    Marx was an optimist.

    by psnyder on Sun May 04, 2014 at 11:20:33 AM PDT

  •  Scott's just a loyal Koch servant (13+ / 0-)

    Definitely not a Public Servant. Just a vassal to establish Koch run fascism.

  •  Felony Assault (8+ / 0-)

    "When (the husband) came at me from my peripheral vision, my side, he said he was going to kill me …"

    And why wasn't Steve Frazier charged with assault?

  •  Miguel Masso came back from Iraq with PTSD (27+ / 0-)

    became a cop, tortured at least one prisoner in NYC, and then came to Oakland and murdered Alan Blueford.

    I do not think it is appropriate for ANYONE with any history of violence or symptons of PTSD to be allowed to carry a weapon, let alone become a police officer.

    Of course this young man should be pardoned and helped to get a challenging, rewarding career. But we do not need more people with guns and a license to kill who might be triggered to violence.

  •  On the Other Hand... (3+ / 0-)

    If the Kochs told Walker to enact the pardon he would do it in a heartbeat. Those two goofs are the ones to make the plea to. You don't ask Knucklehead Smith to do something when Paul Winchell has got his hand up the puppet's back.

  •  Amen. a full pardon is absolutely appropriate, (11+ / 0-)

    but he never should have faced a felony charge in the first place.

  •  Time for Obama to Pardon Everyone! (1+ / 0-)
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  •  Maybe they should change the law (1+ / 0-)
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    So that someone with his criminal record should still be allowed to carry a gun.

  •  So now we are in favor of more guns (13+ / 0-)

    in the hands of people who have obvious problems because...Scott Walker? This feels like automatically being for something just because Scott Walker is opposed.

  •  I condemn Walker's blanket refusal against pardons (15+ / 0-)

    However, like others, I'm not sure this is the case to take umbrage with.

    As has been noted above, letting someone with PTSD issues have a lethal weapon is at best questionable. I also have to wonder at Pizer's decision to study for a career that his conviction meant he could never actually take up. And doesn't working as a cop sound like the perfect trigger for someone who to this day still has to sit in the back of a restaurant facing the door? Do you really want this guy in a high-adrenaline situation like busting into someone's home with a gun to carry out an arrest warrant?

    And to the posters saying that the original incident was one of self-defense and that he should never have been charged or convicted: We only have this one article, in which he is the only one to describe the incident. I wouldn't take his word as gospel. I tend to think that if it had been self-defense, he would have been let off. Instead, he pleaded no-contest, which is what your lawyer tells you to do if you have zero chance of winning in criminal court but hope to avoid a future civil case. The fact his lawyer didn't think there was any chance of any juror buying a self-defense or PTSD claim is food for thought. And the DA did show him some mercy by allowing him to plead no-contest instead of taking him to trial and getting the guilty conviction.

  •  Vets and the GOBP (3+ / 0-)
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    Vets only matter to the GOBP when they can use them for photo ops.

    "The more firearms a man owns, the smaller his member"-- Abraham Lincoln

    by truthronin on Sun May 04, 2014 at 12:04:17 PM PDT

  •  Not to fear... (1+ / 0-)
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    Walker will come around on the pardons thing about the time he starts seeking amnesty for the crimes he committed in office.

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    by DocDawg on Sun May 04, 2014 at 12:07:09 PM PDT

  •  He should get a pardon, but.. (8+ / 0-)

    Having said that, I think out law enforcement agencies have been flooded with ex-military personnel, ex-military gear and ex-military mindsets. The result is evident daily in stories of innocent people being gunned down by overzealous cops.

    Adding more to the mix is just a bad idea.

  •  Something seems to be missing here (4+ / 0-)

    did the evidence of self-defense get excluded from the legal proceedings? Was he still in the Marines at the time of the incident, and thus subject to UCMJ? People are jumping to the conclusion of PTSD, but it doesn't sound as though there was an official diagnosis of PTSD, and if there were, some of the drugs prescribed for PTSD raise additional questions. Sounds like a lot of loose ends on this case.

  •  So he was a Marine? (10+ / 0-)

    Honestly, so what? I really don't see how that changes everything in this story.

    “(They were) poking me in the chest, chest-bumping me, getting in my face ... When (the husband) came at me from my peripheral vision, my side, he said he was going to kill me and I just instinctively reacted ‘cause I couldn’t see his hands. It was a very dark night behind a garage in an alleyway. I couldn’t see if he had something in his hands to stab me with, shoot me with, bash me with. So I just instinctively gave him a right jab.”
    Sounds like he reacted the way many people would react, military training or no.

    I don't think anyone should get a felony for breaking someone's nose in a barfight, including this guy, but I'm uncomfortable with how the reason he should be pardoned is because he's a Marine.

  •  Before an officer can be hired, (14+ / 0-)

    most agencies require a mental health examination by a psychiatrist or psychologist.

    Currently, I do POST Commission examinations for a dozen or more law enforcement agencies. I have been doing such risk assessment exams on law enforcement officers for forty years. I started doing them in 1974. I cannot speak to all states, but in many of them, before an officer can be hired, they must undergo a risk assessment mental health evaluation.  

    I have a deal to offer Eric Pizer. If he can find support to get him to my location, and pay his room and board for a couple of days, I will do one of the most thorough psychological risk assessment examinations ever seen anywhere, in any state. Pro bono.

    I cannot pay his travel and expenses, because that would create an unethical dual relationship conflict of interest if I enter into a professional relationship with him. But there is nothing that says I have to charge him anything.

    Rudeness is a weak imitation of strength. - Eric Hoffer

    by Otteray Scribe on Sun May 04, 2014 at 12:16:26 PM PDT

    •  nice, and yet... (1+ / 0-)
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      That's a very nice offer. I want to applaud it.

      I can also understand how, the ethics matter you mention aside, someone may either be unable or unwilling to provide the transportation, room, and board. It might even be good for someone in such a situation to have other supporters to help make such a thing happen. Which is to say, no pressure on doing so at all.

      But I have to wonder about codes of ethics that would prevent a professional from not only providing some of their services for free, but also helping a person they want to help to a place you can help them. It makes me wonder if the ethics policy is really all that ethical, or if ethics is really it's first concern. It seems to me it actually might hinder both the profession and people getting help from services one is willing to provide, even though I acknowledge that many many be unable or unwilling to do so for very legitimate and understandable reasons.

      •  Providing services pro bono is ethical. (0+ / 0-)

        In fact, some professions require a certain percentage of services be provided pro bono. That is why really large law firms have a separate departments designated for doing nothing but pro bono work. Much of such work is, for example, devoted to death penalty appeals. Smaller practices occasionally take a few cases for free, which might be either civil or criminal.

        As for paying for someone to travel, or to buy services for them (food, shelter, clothes, etc.) is considered a gift, and for the professional, creates a dual relationship with the person.

        The article linked below from the Journal for Nurse Practitioners is written with Nurse Practitioners in mind; however, one might substitute almost any licensed professional for nurses, and get the same reasoning.

        Professional Boundaries and Dual Relationships in Clinical Practice

        Here is the money quote:

        Existing literature suggests a discrepancy in power is evident within professional provider-patient relationships; it accentuates the professional's dominant position of authority and the patient's vulnerability.

        Rudeness is a weak imitation of strength. - Eric Hoffer

        by Otteray Scribe on Mon May 05, 2014 at 03:19:25 PM PDT

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        •  still a deep problem in ethics codes, IMO (0+ / 0-)

          I'm late in responding, but I think it still worth saying.

          My problem with this particular aspect of supposed ethics is that it can actually inhibit access to professional services. If it is a case where pro bono work is appropriate (in particular, because the ability of the client or potential client to pay for the services is hindered), being limited in providing other help to enable access to those services. When the lack of such additional help prevents someone from having access, then I would say that such limits applied outside of the individual's own judgements are actually unethical. When providing additional support is what makes the difference between having access to professional services and not having such access, it could even be argued that prohibiting such support actually accentuates, rather than diminishes, any power differential because it can leave the potential client powerless to accept the help or to be helped.

          On the other hand, I do recognize that not all professional have either  the means or the inclination to provide such help in any or all cases where it might be beneficial. I would not suggest that there is any ethical obligation to provide it.

          The article you posted was interesting, but I do have multiple problems with it and it's premises. I'm not sure it is actually helpful for professionals to avoid personal (note: not sexual/intimate) relationships with their clients/patients. When ethics rules interfere with an individual's own choice in forming friendships (even when people meet in professional settings) I see a problem. I don't expect to become friends with professionals I deal with, but I think it's very unfair for some professional "ethics" policy to interfere with the professional's personal relationships. I also think those personal connections, while certain paths could be problematic, can also actually aid care and good relationships. Detachment shouldn't be regarded as a primary aspect of professional relationships. I find fault with ethics policies that presume such a characteristic is to be preferred or even enforced. Professionals should deal with people, whole people, not mere conditions or situations.

  •  Not that it really matters (lol) but does anyone (1+ / 0-)
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    know the race of this ex Marine and the guy he hit?  Maybe, just maybe there might be something there that explains why he pleaded "no contest."
    But in a post racial society like ours, that probably would never play a part in the proceedings.  Just ask SCOTUS.

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    by sajiocity on Sun May 04, 2014 at 12:24:21 PM PDT

  •  Walker likes the law except when he doesn't (1+ / 0-)
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    Then it's a matter of the end justifies the means.

    "Trickle-down economics expresses a crude and naive trust in the goodness of those wielding economic power." Pope Francis

    by SpiffPeters on Sun May 04, 2014 at 12:30:45 PM PDT

  •  I feel dirty (6+ / 0-)

    You're making me agree with Scott Walker.  Not because he's doing it for the right reasons - undermining the justice system is a load of BS.  But because we don't need any more mentally unstable violent felons walking around with guns.  And we don't need any more militarization of our police forces.  And we sure as hell don't need the combo platter: another militarized, violent, unstable, gun-toting felons with the literal power of life and death over innocent civilians.

    "And the President of the United States - would be seated right here. I would be here. And he would be here. I would turn - and there he’d be. I could pet ‘im." - Lewis Black

    by libdevil on Sun May 04, 2014 at 12:35:32 PM PDT

  •  Charges (1+ / 0-)
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    What did they charge the person he hit with?
    Seems he was the cause of the trouble, he should share in the blame.

    I would tell you the only word in the English language that has all the vowels in order but, that would be facetious.

    by roninkai on Sun May 04, 2014 at 12:35:57 PM PDT

  •  Similar scenario, different vet. Me. (11+ / 0-)

    Cept I'm the one that took the punch.

    I'm a peacetime vet and not a wartime one so I didn't have PTSD to color my judgement.

    A foreign marine (in the Korean military) came at me because the girl I was dating was not being genuine and was in fact dating us both. He hit me hard enough that I nearly died (and a month later a resulting blot clot came within hours of killing me - if I hadn't thought "this is more than a runny nose" and decided to go in to get checked, I'd have been dead by that evening).

    At the time the MPs wanted to charge me... because they had a strict policy of no fighting with the Koreans no matter what the issue - but the Korean police stepped in and insisted the Americans back off.

    Older now, I see it as a heated moment between two young men, and hold no ill will towards the guy who hit me. Disdain for the woman who played us off against each other... but I wouldn't want to hold her to account now for that either.

    My life could have changed in a moment there, if the MP had no backed down. That MP filing one report with a different box checked off could have made me the man in this story.

    How long do we insist on holding people accountable for past mistakes? When have you 'served your time?'

    Never?

    Should it really last for life like this?

    I think not.

    Especially when the man was 2 days out from duty and surviving an attack. Whether or not he has PTSD, no human being would be level headed that close to getting out of combat. That much I do know because I was a combat youth - I grew up in the ghetto and I survived my fights there. Its part of why even by my twenties I had the sense to hold back in my defense against a man who was actively trying to kill me... I knew to take a measured response that would keep us both alive.

    This man likewise took a measured response, even 2 days out of a combat zone, his counter attack was extremely mild. He just had the misfortune of it connecting rather well enough to do harm.

    He should be pardoned, he should be allowed to move on with his life. Ten years is more than enough of an albatross to put around his neck.

    When that young Korean marine near killed me, the Korean Police tried very hard to get me to go to his commander and press my case. I refused. I grew up in the ghetto and saw enough people saddled with the burden of a lost future from a conviction for some heated moment.

    I looked at him, and even though I was still full of rage, I walked away. At the time people thought I was being a fool and a coward for letting him off (the Korean police, back then at least, had no authority to arrest him - they needed to get his commander to do it, and that would not happen unless I pushed for it).

    That man, wherever he is now in Korea - deserves a normal life this far out from the incident.

    You cannot hold people to things like this for life. Its not right to ruin a person's future over an incident on this scale.

    OMG, like, gag them with a multi-colored spoon. Like, ya know.

    by Jyotai on Sun May 04, 2014 at 12:44:23 PM PDT

    •  You bring up a very important point (3+ / 0-)
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      How close to leaving the combat zone the altercation occurred.  I see leadership failing miserably on this because we can't even publicly admit there is a wind down coming out of the war zone, because then we have to admit war changes you and not for immediate better.   It destroys peace of mind and the ability to judge social situations well, and with that social awareness how will the 1% and all the retired Generals sitting on all those boards become even richer easily.  If you can't take our military to war easily how do you expect them to make a killing?

      Just venting....sorry.  Lots of killings were made, and all I see right now at times is a panic glazed look in some as they realize what could happen if the common man and woman realizes what all this really costs the whole nation in the end.

  •  No, this is not a Democratic Party issue (2+ / 0-)
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    or a Republican Party issue.  This is situation of a high profile member of the Republican Party who has hinted at wanting to be the Commander-in-Chief, who has serious issues.

  •  Walker is undermining the justice system (2+ / 0-)
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    because the system makes allowance for a pardons board.  This could mean that Walker is in violation of State law by not appointing a board, and therefore, should be arrested.

    Walker could be convicted and not granted a pardon, or he could be forced not to ever again say that Obama cannot "pick and choose which laws he wants to obey."  ROTFLMAO...

  •  It's wrong for a governor to reject pardon powers (2+ / 0-)
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    That's just laziness or meanspiritedness. But on the other hand, I see no connection between the accident of Pizer's having served as a Marine and whether or not he should get his felony conviction removed. I think that Walker should appoint a pardon board and that the case should be submitted to them, and that he should sincerely consider their recommendations. However, if their recommendation is no, then Walker should lean toward no pardon.

    On the third hand, the pardon power is given to the governor individually, and a governor can decide that he will never exercise the power. To me, the problem there is more with the implementation of the pardon power itself rather than with the governor. It would seem more reasonable to me that there would be a constitutionally mandated pardons board, perhaps chaired by the governor, and that the decisions would up to the board. (And the same thing at the federal level, by the way.)

  •  thanks for (1+ / 0-)
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    bringing this to our attention and this surely deserves a look by the pardons board.
    But the bars in this country are full of "newly released" vets now, big, highly trained, hair triggered, and full of contempt for civilians. They kind of scare me.
    If he'd been black he'd be in prison now and for a long time.
    Does he deserve a light sentence and special treatment for being a vet?
    What if he'd had a gun?
    What about next time?
    This kind of thing needs a lot of thinkin about, and we civilians need to cope with the machine that we have created.

    "Thank you for your service, now don't kill me" is what I think sometimes when I see swaggering contemptuous soldiers in airports and on the street. You get into an argument about a parking place or politics or anything with one a those guys and you are taking a biiiiiigggg chance.
    I will listen to any corrections about my feelings, here.

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    by old mule on Sun May 04, 2014 at 01:28:39 PM PDT

  •  Raises interesting issues (2+ / 0-)
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    Normally, I'm annoyed that violent crimes are under-sentenced and victimless crimes are over-sentenced.  If you have a neighbor who grows his own weed plants but is perfectly pleasant, and a different neighbor who hits you on the head with a hammer and causes permanent neurological damage, the guy who grows weed will typically get a far longer sentence.  

    (And if a white or prosperous Hispanic male neighbor shoots you dead he can count on the gun nut squad to support any crazy claim of self-defense.  It is disturbing to see nutjob shooters walk, or even merely expect to walk, while excessive sentences for other crimes are handed down every day.)

    But here it sounds almost like self-defense, and the victim was only mildly injured.  I don't see the point of vindictiveness.

    I generally oppose lifetime restrictions on convicts who have served their time, at least first offenders.  The goal is rehabilitation.

    Overall this seems like an injustice.

  •  C'mon Scott (1+ / 0-)
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    Dig deep down, where one should find some empathy. Give this COMBAT VET a break, you dirty dawg.

  •  Much though I loathe Scott Walker, in this case (5+ / 0-)

    I'm glad this guy won't have a career in law enforcement.  We have enough people without self-control in law enforcement as it is.

    •  I think that's a little harsh. (2+ / 0-)
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      If what the guy said is true, he was only protecting himself from imminent assault - nothing more.  And as it was dark, he could not rule out the possibility that his assailant had a weapon.  The guy did say "I'm going to kill you", after all.

      The real crime here is that a simple fist fight could result in a felony conviction.  I'm all for law & order, but that's just nuts!  Way over the top.

      There are enough mouth breathers with a Barney Fife complex that should obviously get screened right out from a law enforcement job - permanently.  This ex-Marine does not appear to fall into that category.

      All that is necessary for the triumph of the Right is that progressives do nothing.

      by Mystic Michael on Sun May 04, 2014 at 04:12:46 PM PDT

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      •  A "simple fist fight" (1+ / 0-)
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        where he broke the guy's nose.  I for one am not OK with people going around breaking noses.  Especially not ones with badges.

        Pay no attention to the upward redistribution of wealth!

        by ActivistGuy on Sun May 04, 2014 at 06:15:28 PM PDT

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        •  And yet, you find it convenient to ignore... (0+ / 0-)

          ...the mitigating circumstances.  As if you were somehow making a case to challenge the "pro nose-breaking" contingent.

          This is precisely why we don't judge incidents - or people - in a vacuum, devoid of crucial context.  Self defense is...self defense.  What if his assailant had actually had a gun?  Should Mr. Ex-Marine have just taken the gunshot wound - in order to keep his record clean for a possible law enforcement job?

          Even assuming that he deserved a criminal conviction, it should have been for a misdemeanor - not a felony.  Felony convictions should be reserved for armed robbery, kidnapping, rape, manslaughter and murder.  Not for fistfights.

          All that is necessary for the triumph of the Right is that progressives do nothing.

          by Mystic Michael on Sun May 04, 2014 at 08:00:04 PM PDT

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      •  Big if.. (1+ / 0-)
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        "If what the guy said is true..."
        Maybe it is true, but he didn't raise a defense.  Maybe the other guy did say, "I'm going to kill you!"  Maybe it did happen just as he said, or maybe that is just how he wants to remember it.  Human beings do have a tendency to remember things in the way that puts them in the best possible light.
        A judge looked at the case.  At least two lawyers looked at the case.  He chose not to fight it.  I suspect it was a good choice and he did, in fact, get a break because he was a vet.
        As for the governor, being a lying hypocritical ass-hole is a prerequisite for political office.  Being a "conservative" he has to show himself tough on crime.
        Veterans have been treated poorly since the time of the Greeks and Romans.  The Roman soldiers who mustered out after the second Punic war came home to find their farms had been seized for unpaid taxes and their families sold into slavery for unpaid debts. You would think soldiers would expect no better treatment, but grunts aren't known for deep thought and a knowledge of history.

  •  used to be vets got one free pass (0+ / 0-)

    the cops wouldn't arrest them for the first felony
    or the judge wouldn't convict them.

    i don't know what the facts are here, but,
    maybe he needs a lobbyist.

  •  Scott Walker (2+ / 0-)
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    is simply a shit head and an uneducated one at that. He never finished college and while a college degree does not automatically insure knowledge, it certainly takes more than that to be considered a presidential candidate.

  •  Scott Walker is a moron! (4+ / 0-)

    Gubernatorial pardons "undermine" the criminal justice system?  No, dumb ass.  Pardons, wisely used, introduce an element of compassion, balance and moderation to a system that is too often hindered by rigidity, political pressure, and bureaucratic pigheadedness to render an appropriate degree of "justice".  A system not unlike yourself, Governor.

    If you can't grasp that concept, then you have no business sitting in the big chair, pretending that you have what it takes to govern Wisconsin.  Dope!

    All that is necessary for the triumph of the Right is that progressives do nothing.

    by Mystic Michael on Sun May 04, 2014 at 04:04:40 PM PDT

    •  Given Walker's willingness to skate (4+ / 0-)

      close to the edge (if not over it) when it comes to following the laws, that "excuse" of his about "not undermining the justice system" made me cringe. I mean, really! The hypocrisy of that stance is ridiculous. There's something missing in this guy's makeup--for someone in politics, he has never shown warmth or liking for residents of this state. Ever. In newspaper articles, video reports on news programs . . . . there has never been a thing I've seen or heard where he shows the least inclination to compassion or caring. In fact, he seems really uncomfortable and even stiff around people and his appearances in public are always very scripted. Weird for somebody who has spent his entire work life in politics. He seems warped.

      "A voice is heard in Ramah, weeping and great mourning, Rachel weeping for her children and refusing to be comforted, because they are no more." - from the prophet Jeremiah

      by 3goldens on Sun May 04, 2014 at 04:12:34 PM PDT

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  •  Maybe if Eric had stolen (0+ / 0-)

    a car instead he could be a senator.

  •  If he were a Walker donor (0+ / 0-)

    Snotty Scotty would pardon.

  •  Walker probably never servedat all. (0+ / 0-)

    This bum who knows nothing of what Bets go through should be kicked out of politics.  He has no compassion for those who served.  This is what you get when you elect morons.  I have a son who has PTSD and has nightmares and jumps at certain sounds. No,he is not getting benefits for it but we in the family live through all the bad with him.  George Bush and Dickie CHEENEY should be punished for they have done to so many lives. May they rot in Hell.  Scott Walker is another lacky of the Koch Bros. And not for the people.  It's a shame that he is the only one getting second and third chances.  Grow up Wisconsin and the heck with party ties and vote sanely.

  •  A man with his sort of reflexes... (2+ / 0-)
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    Is not what we need in law enforcement. Ja know, maybe if cops were held accountable for their actions, I might be willing to take the risk of giving a badge to a vet with PTSD, but not in a system where it is rare for even the worst incidents of police brutality to mean the end of the perpetrators career in law enforcement. Usually, it just means moving to take a job with an even worse force.

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    by rhonan on Sun May 04, 2014 at 04:54:37 PM PDT

  •  Googles his website pardonericpizer (2+ / 0-)
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    And although one must consider the source, it seems as though this is the single incident on his record.  Given that it was 10 years ago, it seems to me this concern about a potential to overreact is overblown.  Heck, even a non-vet like me prefers to sit with her back to the wall.  And I gather to that the evoking of the marine status is not in order to grant the pardon per se but rather to get Gov W to allow the pardon board at least to consider his case.  

    And it occurs to me, too, that possibly he plead no contest bc he was in fact "guilty," but pleading guilty could open him up to civil charges, as someone mentioned above.  I.e., could have been a matter of honor:  I did it; I'll pay the penalty, little realizing how permanent the penalty might me.

  •  I think corporal Pizer should be able to request (0+ / 0-)

    a pardon. He's the last man I would want on my local police force.

    Our government is not yet small enough to drown in a bathtub. That doesn't mean it can't be waterboarded.

    by furrfu on Sun May 04, 2014 at 06:14:15 PM PDT

  •  How about all the young men (most of color) who go (0+ / 0-)

    to jail for drug possession and can never vote again?  Or live in public housing?  Or get food stamps?

    The fact that one veteran can't get one job that he happens to want, and which he may not be an appropriate fit for anyway if he can't sit with his back to the door, doesn't strike me as such an injustice.

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    by cai on Sun May 04, 2014 at 06:28:13 PM PDT

    •  It's not (0+ / 0-)

      Dysfunctional to have situational awareness. If anything his behaviors reflect his training.

      Felon disenfranchisement is a problem but not for this case. Wisconsin is an automatic restoration state.

      •  My point was, I'm a lot more concerned with (0+ / 0-)

        the rights of hundreds of thousands of men of color to be full citizens in this country than I am with this story.  (If the picture in the link is him, he appears white.)  And I'm not convinced that this man should be a cop, either.

        As far as I can tell, this is front page news because it's an anti-Walker story, and that's all.

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        by cai on Sun May 04, 2014 at 08:38:50 PM PDT

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      •  P.S. -- And maybe it is exactly his combat (1+ / 0-)
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        training and combat experience that makes his ability to be an officer of the peace suspect.  Maybe that is a conversation we should be having in this country, not to vilify veterans, but to be realistic about what we've done to them and what the consequences are.

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        by cai on Sun May 04, 2014 at 08:40:44 PM PDT

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  •  WTF?! (1+ / 0-)
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    Yeah, lets pardon a violent felon so he can go get a gun and a badge.  Great idea!

  •  I'm pretty sure I saw this movie. It was with (0+ / 0-)

    Nicolas Cage, John Cusack and John Malkovich.

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    by ZenTrainer on Mon May 05, 2014 at 12:16:02 AM PDT

  •  Here is a possible silver lining (0+ / 0-)
    Over the past 35 years, Wisconsin governors, both Republicans and Democrats, have issued 986 pardons, according to the Secretary of State’s office, which tracks pardon grants.
    But, not Scott Walker. He has not appointed a pardons board and has refused to issue any pardons. He claims they undermine the criminal justice system.
    If (hoping when) his lackeys get caught they remember this, and become informants knowing they won't get a pardon.  Of course if he does pardon them, he is "undermin(ing) the criminal justice system" and he exposed for the nasty hypocritical partisan hack he really is.
  •  NO PARDON - NO WAY (0+ / 0-)

    this story is chalk full of how 2 tours have left him a little edgy (to be polite). I don't think this individual is stable enough to be handed a gun and a badge and be released on society.

    "Pizer served two tours of duty, one in Kuwait and one in Iraq. During that deployment, he faced peril on refueling missions from bombs hidden along the roads and from rocket-propelled grenades fired into the Al Asad Airbase, where he was stationed.

    Pizer did come back with some scars.
    For years, he said, he obsessively scanned the road, seeing possible explosives in every deer carcass and culvert.

    To this day, he sits at the back of the restaurant facing the door to make sure he can see what’s coming"

  •  One Punch (0+ / 0-)

    Even if the claim of self defense is not plausible, the one punch relegating him to a lifetime sentence as a second class citizen is outrageous.

  •  A Lot Wrong Here (1+ / 0-)
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    Nobody should be out at night, in public three days after returning home from a war.  We need a real demobilization effort to allow these young men to normalize their behavior.  The need time and therapy, so they can adapt.

    We need to also understand that this is one of the costs of war.  There were massive spikes in violence following the American Civil war (the Wild West, Violence in the South), WWI (the roaring 20s. and WWII.  Exposing hundreds of thousands of men to combat conditions for extended periods of time has long term impacts.

    When Exxon is ordering up their next war, we need to stop watching John Wayne movies and go down to the VA to figure the actual cost, which everyone but Exxon seems to end up paying.

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    by wjhamilton29464 on Mon May 05, 2014 at 07:03:59 AM PDT

    •  Second chance for Marine (0+ / 0-)

      All veterans should be welcomed home and not discounted as lacking in some social way.  I understand the ideas you are putting forward but I totally disagree with the comment you began with which was "nobody should be out at night in public three days after returning home from war".  Sadly we send our young men and women to war and when they get back to the world, our world, some think they shouldn't be out among us.  Well what about the guy starting the fights.  Should he stay home because his wife is cheating on him and he is in a bad mental state?  Where does all this end.  It is a story played out many many times over the years -- nothing new.

  •  Walker has pardoned NO ONE (0+ / 0-)

    and has no pardon board.  That's the larger story.

    In a time of universal deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary act--Orwell

    by jhannon on Mon May 05, 2014 at 08:07:16 AM PDT

  •  As a cop, I sadly must agree with Walker this time (0+ / 0-)

    I really do not want someone with a felony conviction for drunk and disorderly and/or violent behavior working in law enforcement. Especially if this person admits to having potentially paranoid PTSD issues. This doesn't denigrate this man as a soldier in any way, but violence in "civilian life" should always always always preclude someone from a job in law enforcement forever. I wouldn't want to be on the streets as a cop with someone with a prior assault and battery conviction and I feel like I'd always be worried about what this individual might do to a citizen or a situation he may put other officers in. Walker is a complete scumbag, but this is one move he got right. This man can get any other job in the world, but he shouldn't be in law enforcement.

    "It is far better to grasp the universe as it really is than to persist in delusion, however satisfying and reassuring." -- Carl Sagan

    by jtraynor on Mon May 05, 2014 at 09:23:37 AM PDT

  •  Give a Decorated Marine a Second Chance (0+ / 0-)

    This young man has achieved far more than Scott Walker and worked hard to do so and gave this country a blank check for the service he gave as a Marine - a check that could have been paid with his life.  We are grateful he is home.  Are there any Petitions started to plea on his behalf on Daily Kos or other sites?  

  •  Compassionate conservative? (0+ / 0-)

    Yeah, sure.

  •  This posting confuses two things (0+ / 0-)

    1. Should Walker have a pardon board and use the power of a pardon, in this case and others?
    2. Should the  marine be pardoned so that he can carry a gun?

    My answer:  1. Yes, and 2. No.   The Marine seems to be suffering from continued  PTSD and should probably not be carrying a gun or taking a job that requires a gun.  That does not mean he cannot contribute to the criminal justice system. He needs to find a position  that does not require a gun.  I don't see giving guns to people with PTSD, no matter the source of the illness nor their personal histories.

  •  Right (0+ / 0-)

    If you are looking for compassion, you would need to have someone with a soul, which of course, that lying, dishonest pile of fecal matter does not possess!!!  What a waste of good oxygen!!!!

  •  Don't Expect Compassion From Walker (1+ / 0-)
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    He's a sociopath.

  •  Why? (0+ / 0-)

    Why couldn't the vet have claimed self defense?

  •  Why am I not surprised (0+ / 0-)

    As many tea party GOPers Walker does not know the word compassion.  It just isn't in his lexicon.  It also seems to me that the felony charge and punishment was excessive (two yrs probation and paying over $7K for the 'jealous husband's' busted nose, who may or may not have attempted bodily harm to Eric Pizer.  After two tours the possibility of PTSD and the harshness of the penalty for an altercation which may have been self defense he fully deserves a pardon.  Unfortunately Governor Walker has made himself king ...  Reminds me a bit of King Jeoffry in "The Game of Thrones," just a heartless  ...

  •  Scott Walker (1+ / 0-)
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    is an ass of the worst kind.
    He must be thrown out of office come November.

  •  Just when I think Scott Walker can't be any (1+ / 0-)
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    worse a vile creature, he goes and shows me how wrong I am. I pray he someday has the justice he so sorely deserves visited upon him.

    "Mit der Dummheit kämpfen Götter selbst vergebens," -Friedrich Schiller "Against Stupidity, the Gods themselves contend in Vain"

    by pengiep on Mon May 05, 2014 at 01:01:16 PM PDT

  •  Impacted? (0+ / 0-)

    OK!  He is a vet.  He was damaged.  So was I. The military, especially the corps, deliberately sets out to brutalize you. It's part of the basic training. That isn't his fault. The injury was just as mutilating as losing a limb, and there are some things he just can't do any more, and he probably shouldn't be a cop.  We have already too many cops who are too quick on the trigger, who shoot first and ask questions after.  Maybe he can be a fireman, or a paramedic.  Maybe he can be a lawyer or a paralegal, but he shouldn't have a badge and a gun.  I shouldn't either.

  •  A quick question (1+ / 0-)
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    Well two really.I am from UK so excuse the ignorance here but A) after ten years why is this still on his record. I mean if it was attempted or in fact murder then i could understand it but a bar fight really.I mean in some states he could have shot the guy and wouldn't even have stood trial.2) With the attitude to guns and the 2ND amendment can he be disallowed from carrying a gun as a police officer?
    Also if he was a serving member of the armed forces why was it not dealt with by the military not civilian justice.
    I used to know loads of service personnel and they got into fights a lot especially inter-service and even trashed a bar so badly it couldn't open for two weeks and they were judged by their relevant service.

    •  A conviction for having committed (0+ / 0-)

      a felony is automatically, as far as I know, on one's criminal record for life. Having a felony conviction in the U.S. prevents one from being able to vote as well.  

      As a US citizen, I don't understand why a punch to the nose was treated as a felony though. If the individual caused great bodily harm--i.e. severe beating of someone and/or used a weapon like a gun, knife, or club of some sort, I could see a felony charge. Not really sure why or how this incident came to be charged by a prosecutor as a felony and not a misdemeanor (which would not have all the ramifications a felony charge carrie with it).  

      I can understand issues people have with giving a convicted felon who committed a violent act access to a gun. That has to be weighed, though, against the fact that this individual would have to pass successfully a psychological screening before he could be hired as a police officer in most towns and cities in the U.S..

      As to why it wasn't handled militarily, I believe the article said this individual was no longer in the military (had been recently discharged), and therefore a civilian court would handle it.

      Hope this helps.

      "A voice is heard in Ramah, weeping and great mourning, Rachel weeping for her children and refusing to be comforted, because they are no more." - from the prophet Jeremiah

      by 3goldens on Mon May 05, 2014 at 03:48:26 PM PDT

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  •  Pardons (1+ / 0-)
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    What gets me is if this guy had been an off-duty cop and done the exact same thing, he wouldn't even have been charged.  In fact, the guy with the broken nose might even have been charged with assaulting a police officer!

    This guy was defending himself and his friend from a man who was shouting "I'm going to kill you" as he rushed the guy from the side.

    Never ceases to amaze me the completely unpredictable nature of our justice system.  A man that ignored the explicit instructions of law enforcement so he could stalk and kill an unarmed teenager can't get convicted of any crime.  Yet a Marine war vet with no prior criminal history breaks some idiot's nose in self-defense is ruled a felon.

    Go Figure.

    sigh

  •  I can't possibly be the only one here (0+ / 0-)

    who thinks that maybe this man needs some time off before he is given a gun and a badge?  Am I the only one who looks at his reports of battle trauma and a momentary lapse of judgment and thinks maybe, just maybe, arming this guy might not be the best idea?

  •  "[Scott Walker] has not appointed a pardons board (2+ / 0-)
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    and has refused to issue any pardons. He claims they undermine the criminal justice system."

    This from the man (make that "shitheel") whose administration consistently undermines the system, civil or criminal, at every opportunity.  

  •  I'm no fan of Walker but the article (0+ / 0-)

    paints a picture of a veteran who may still be suffering from some sort of PTSD.  I don't think a job as an armed security guard is the best think for him.  I also don't think he needs to be carrying any type of gun.  

  •  Rule # 1 (0+ / 0-)

    Make the people afraid!
    No recourse for injustices would make ANYONE afraid.
    When the people fear the government, there is tyranny; when the government fears the people, there is freedom!

  •  Since his life was threatened (1+ / 0-)
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    I'm surprised the weasel does not agree with this Marine. Oh, wait, he did it wrong: He should have used a gun and stood his ground. (Wasn't he in a position to feel threatened)?
    Poor pathetic little governor.  Doesn't keeping a slush fund for your own defense "undermine the Justice system". Doesn't asking the Koch brothers to fund your campaign "undermine the electoral process"?

  •  Walker will need a pardon (3+ / 0-)
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    After all of the investigations of Walker and his criminal friends are finished, Walker may wish he did pardon deserving people like Eric Pizer because will expect Walker will be the first in-line to ask for a pardon for himself.

    Walker is the real criminal.

    Living in Wisconsin and voting for Burke.

  •  Scott Walker... (1+ / 0-)
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    ..is, was and always will be a worthless piece of shit.  That people think this college dropout is presidential timber makes me want to puke.

  •  Scott Walker, In My Opinion, (1+ / 0-)
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    is a worthless, tea bagging asshole.

  •  While I want to give him a second chance, (0+ / 0-)

    he clearly had a bad reaction to stress.  It was two days after returning, but have we fully ruled out the possibility that it could happen again?  Being a police officer is a very stressful job, and being charged by a husband is part of the job.

  •  Well Scott Walker... (1+ / 0-)
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    You are the son of a Christian minister!

    Hmm, you certainly didn't learn what you should have learned -- The Lord's Prayer "...forgive us our debts as WE FORGIVE OUR DEBTORS..."  In other words, as you forgive, so shall you be forgiven!

    You are unworthy to be a governor or in any position of authority - you are not qualified!

  •  This guy deserves a pardon. (1+ / 0-)
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    If the facts are as related, this was self-defense when the marine was newly returned to the states and still in combat mode.  If this guy still eats with his back to a wall and looks for explosives as he drives down the road, however, I wouldn't want him wearing a badge and carrying a gun.

    Hopefully, Walker's successor will grant a pardon.

  •  Just another republican at work (1+ / 0-)
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    for a governor that has never served a day in his life why would you expect an ounce of compassion for our military men and women  

  •  Im sorry (0+ / 0-)

    but its not clear who started the fight here.  If the marines friend started it somehow and he stepped in,  I dont see that its clear that he was breaking it up..  Maybe he was piling on.   I cant stand Walker either, but I have seen some drunken brawls..  Whats the other side of this story??

  •  provocative behavior triggered the response (1+ / 0-)
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    About the same time in history this occurred I was a personal witness to a combined attack in Madison Wisconsin by joint forces of the Dane County Sheriff's department and the City of Madison police department. At about midnight on a very dark night I personally observed two large coordinated squads of at least 25 men each converge in marching formation at the corner of Bassett and Dayton Streets and then march together one block to the corner of Bassett and Mifflin.

    Upon arrival, this group - nearly all at the same time, proceeded to shoot tear gas grenades through the windows of the grocery cooperative on that corner, and lob dozens of tear gas canisters onto the 2nd story roof. There was NO response at any time from above or from within the coop. The armed officers tore the covering off windows and lobbed many canisters of tear gas inside.

    The next morning I appeared before the state board meeting of the ACLU in Milwaukee WI to report what I saw. Shortly thereafter a lawsuit was filed against the Sheriff and the Chief of police. The matter was in litigation for several years, but in the end was dismissed because no one was able to identify any of the individuals involved.

    No one in the coop was hurt, but the entire inventory of the cooperative food store was destroyed. 44 years later, the coop still survives. And my memory of police power run amuk and never held to account will never die.

    To fail to hold both the elected Sheriff and the Chief of police responsible for that incident was a travesty of justice. There is no way that such a large coordinated attack could have been assembled without their direct involvement. My only satisfaction is the knowledge that those men have probably had to live with the ugly event they planned and directed for the rest of their lives.

    So to claim that the police (or the national guard) would never have responded unless "provoked" simply shows an ignorant faith in the workings of our democracy and those elected or chosen to defend it and maintain order. Power can be, and is abused on a regular basis.

    The current Mayor of Madison was first elected to that office only a few years after that incident. We were in law school together, and putting ourselves through by driving taxicabs part time. From his first election on Madison took a turn toward more responsible management.

    •  Eric Pizer (1+ / 0-)
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      Since you've outed yourself as a lawyer, (" We were in law school together...") I'm very interested in your opinion on the subject of filing an appeal for a new trial based on Inadequate Defense. I'm not a lawyer, but i've been around long enough to know railroading when I see it. After all, I grew up and live in Chicago. In fact I graduated high school with John Birge. Former mayor Richard M. Daley was the states attorney when Birge was in his glory years. We all know how those convictions ended up. But hizzonor was never held to account, even tho he was the engineer on that railroad train. Who was the states attorney when Mr. Pizer was convicted? Where is he now?

  •  Walker's motives (1+ / 0-)
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    he undoubtedly presumes that the marine is a democrat.
    Walker is a time bomb of GOP rhetoric and not much else.

  •  He should have broke Walker's nose. (0+ / 0-)

    He should have broke Walker's nose.

  •  Should Walker get a second chance? (0+ / 0-)

    Most politicians try to expand from their base. Scott Walker's strategy seems, rather, seems to be not only to energize his base but also to energize his opponent's base, while chasing away anyone not in his base. This strategy rarely works.

  •  Except that for Scott Walker it's not about (1+ / 0-)
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    right or wrong, compassion or justice, it's about how much personal power and bullying he can attain.
    This should be sent to the White House for pardon consideration, if the President can issue one for a state level "crime" (since I think this sounds more like it should have been a self defense issue. Guess in Red States "self defense" only counts when a white man shoots a black person)

  •   Only the rich go free from criminal justice (0+ / 0-)

    Silly boy! You know you only get off scott-free when your a wealthy politician.
    You can't use your hands to defend yourself against an attacker, but had it happened in the past couple of years and he had a gun, then he could have blown the guys head off and claimed 'stand your ground'. Our f*cking society is so bent. I hope the feds bury Walker in the investigation that is going on against his crooked ass.

  •  The 'crime' and punishment are not at issue (2+ / 0-)
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    The point of the article is that this PoS, Walker, has not even appointed a Pardon Board to recommend pardons for ANYONE.  Even an obvious miscarriage of justice will not be righted under his unfeeling regime.  This Marine is just the most immediate example.
    I expect there are worse cases than his out there.

  •  Eric Pizer (0+ / 0-)

    Having read the story about this Marine, and making no judgements about his mental health, I think he has a good case for a retrial on appeal to the next level of the judiciary. The basis for this appeal: INADEQUATE DEFENSE. He must have had the worst lawyer in the state to have ended up in this situation. I'm not a lawyer, but this screams of railroading. The states attorney got points for this conviction, and that is how states attorneys get promoted, seek political office, and further their career goals. The fair ones become defense attorneys after realizing how unfair the system is. I hope Mr. Pizer will seek new counsel and pursue this.

    •  I don't know that it "screams" anything (0+ / 0-)

      but it certainly suggests that there is more than meets the eye here.

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      by a gilas girl on Wed May 07, 2014 at 06:07:23 AM PDT

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  •  The REMF Governor of Wisconsin (2+ / 0-)
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    I spent most of my adult life in combat zones and though I haven't been in one for some time now, the training and reflexes that helped bring me back home are still here. I too sit with my back to the wall in public places, I always take stock of all available exits in such places, I automatically check my surrendoundings for lone, bulky, packages and backpacks, I instinctively give the once-over to people keeping heavy garments on when there is no apparent good reason to do so, my gaze may seem shifty to some, as I move my eyes around, always scanning people's hands and faces, I am alert to sudden movements picked up by my peripheral vision and constantly sift through the information thus gathered, unconciously processing it through a "potential-threat"/"no-threat" filter, realizing it only when I pause to think about it. Indeed what were, at some point, attributes for survival could be labeled back home as paranoid and the marks of PTSD. The speed and ease with which one can rotate in and out of the valleys of the Hindu Kush to the alleys of Milwaukee's Third Ward, even accounting for the mandatory "decompression time" on the way back, do not help much with adjusting smoothly to safe life stateside. Safe? Well, the grunts at Fort Hood, the congregation of the Sikh Temple in Wisconsin, the Navy Yard personnel in DC probably thought they were safe, did they not?
    There were times when combat personnel used the acronym REMF or Rear Echelon Mother F...akers for those not in fighting units. Now, maybe because of today's pervading political correctness, the term POG, Personnel Other than Grunts or Pogues is the new term, which is a bit unfair since a grunt with no bullets and beans would be worth diddly-squat.

    For pols like Gov. Walker, that's a different story however. His attitude is quite surprising as one would have expected a bit more gratitude towards Vets from a man who benefited from two weeks of American Legion-sponsored training in "leadership and government"! Indeed, respect for folks who honorably served in uniform should not have been too much hardship from someone who attained the highest rank, Eagle Scout, in the Boy Scouts of America...

    Tough talkin' politicians who never saw the Elephant cannot understand what the Band of Brothers are going through when down range. No complaining, just sayin'. Eric Pizer is one Marine  one would've liked having one's back in a Combat Outpost defensive fighting position anytime, or in a patrol car for that matter. Had he not exercised proper restraint and control in his proportionate self-defense response to the threat he perceived, we would be talking of more than a broken nose here.
    Semper Fi!

    'When bad men combine, the good must associate; else they will fall one by one.' Edmund Burke.

    •  Thanks for joining the conversation (0+ / 0-)

      and sharing that perspective.  I'm only sorry that your comment comes a bit after the conversation went "live", so that fewer folks are here to read it and engage with you.

      Here's hoping you'll find more convesations to your liking and you'll engage more.

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      by a gilas girl on Wed May 07, 2014 at 06:12:38 AM PDT

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  •  Wisconsin Governor Scott Walker... (1+ / 0-)
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    Is a fucking douchebag. Pray tell, did the intrepid governor ever serve in combat? Didn't think so. Let's just add his refusal to pardon a former Marine for breaking some dickhead's nose to his resume, under the category, "Why-You-Should-Never-Vote-For-Scott-Walker-Again."

  •  Pardon Eric Pizer (1+ / 0-)
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    I believe this young man has a lot to offer society.  He deserves a second chance, as he has served our country honourably.  This should be considered.  His clean record in the past should also carry a lot of weight.  Any rational person should abhore the thought of this young man waisting his talents moving pianos.  This just sickens me.  Give him a chance to redeem himself.  Give him a chance to hold his head high and rebuild his self esteem.  We are supposed to build up our young, vs throwing them away.  Shame on you Scott Walker. Pardon him today.  Do not drag this out any longer.

    •  heartfelt (0+ / 0-)

      Thanks for offering your perspective (and for coming out of lurkdom to do it).

      I know what you mean about the gut reaction to this story.

      But for some reason, I'm reminded of a line from a Billy Bragg song, "This isn't a court of justice, son, this is a court of law".

      While we all have to believe in and have faith in the law, we also need to recognize that those who would use the law for their own interests are hurting us all.

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      by a gilas girl on Wed May 07, 2014 at 06:38:20 AM PDT

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    We should have mandatory military service just like Israel. The benefit will be no more wars and veterans would decrease as time passed. Another benefit would be that these temp employees in the senate and congress would not have funding authority over something they view as worthless.

  •  One mistake (0+ / 0-)

    This is why the GOP is tearing this once great country apart.You can bet your ass if he was rich or his family donated heavy to the GOP party or was a relative.We would have never heard about this.Give this guy a break and get him the help he needs.Its a crime how we take care of our veterns.

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