When posters have sought to bring up, "Yeah BUT, what about MY pain in MY male life ..." points in the diaries where women were sharing experiences regarding misogyny, violence, and rape, I have encouraged posters to write their own diaries on those topice instead of trying to hijack discussions.
For example, I replied to someone:
Again, you are welcome to write diaries about: (2+ / 0-)
1. Your thesis that divorce and custody laws are unfair to men.
2. Your thesis that there aren't enough male role models in education (Though, I'd suggest if teacher pay were increased by oh, say 30% to make it a profession that paid commiserate with more male dominated fields, there would probably be more equal numbers of men and women in the profession, making this less a male rights issue and more a pay equity situation.)
3. Your thesis there is a trend on some college campuses to punish students accused of rape without allowing them basic standards of due process.
Do it! If you can support your theses, you will find support at DK.
These are just NOT the point of this diary and conversation. These are NOT the main points for the "Men's Rights" crew on the sites discussed in the diary, part of the killer's agenda, or the bojo'd commenter's hate site.
Please, stop hijacking, and please go write the diaries about the issues you care about.
Maybe I've missed them, but I haven't seen a bunch of diaries posted on the following topics:
- Custody Laws - How they are unfair
- On-Male Domestic Violence
- "Not all men are rapists"
- ______ are targets of violence, too.
I admit I may have missed diaries on these topic, since I've been off and on again the site as I've lived my life over the last few days. If so, please alert me in the comments, and I will post the links to diaries on topics along these lines in this diary above the squiggle, so they can be highlighted once again for attention.
So, here's an open invitation for a time and place and space for debate, or once again, post your own diary.
More about the point that there is a time and a place below, and this is also a space open for debate about that, too.
In suggesting the posting of other diaries, it was NEVER a situation of not being allowed to say what someone wanted to say. It was about there is a time and place for things, and some posters were simply not getting it that it was neither the time nor the place for them to try to speak their piece or have the community's attention directed on them.
Think of it this way.
"Mom, I'm hungry." (Yes, hunger is a valid life-and-death level need, and I am very interested in hungry children.)
"Not now, Honey, I'm on the phone."
-OR, a more public situation:
The Westoboro Baptist's holding up their disgusting signs and yelling their hate speech. (Yes, I do support their 1st Amendment Rights and defending each others' speech rights is very important.)
At a military funeral.
In both of the above situations, I've witnessed outraged responses along the lines of:
"You don't love me, I'm gonna die!"
"What about my 1st Amendment Rights! You're stepping on my Christian faith!"
hmmm.
The response outrage I've seen on this board when told that it's not the time nor the place for the posters' agenda -- at first it shocked and then it annoyed me.
I've tried to educate and redirect. I've tried to point out and encourage appropriate, adult options to take action for the causes and issues mentioned. I've even seen one man, with other men, trying to confront and possibly shock some sensibility and sensitivity into those tantruming, in some cases, and the inappropriate attention-getting in others. [In the aka STFU diary.]
Some are sharing that they are indeed getting it; however, none of this seems to be altogether working.
So, here's and open space for debate -- have at it! :)
---------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Beyond this point, I want to be very clear, I will indeed be laughing at the men who still aren't getting the point that there is a time and place for some things, and they are not entitled to have their aganda become the center of attention -- always, wherever, and whenever.