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Man tries to  open carriy Assault rifle into courthouse in Forsyth County.  Now that was so sensible to pass laws to carry weapons into courthouses.

NRA will say, " Good guy with gun prevented attack".  This law put that deputy in danger and yes it is very good that he was stopped before more havoc but what if he had been carrying a hand gun quite not so visible?  

Bomb squad now sweeping the area.

Atlanta (CNN) --

A man armed with explosives and an assault rifle might have entered a north Georgia courthouse Friday if not for a deputy who was wounded in the shootout with the gunman, Forsyth County Sheriff Duane Piper said.
Authorities killed Dennis Marx outside the courthouse, Piper said during a news conference, adding that the gunman planned to wreak more havoc once inside the building.
"Mr. Marx's intention was to get in that front door and take hostages," he said
Well, if he had entered with the weapon would he have  been  guilty of open carry?  Or just grenades and twist tie bags of explosives?  That law has to go !

Originally posted to Vetwife on Fri Jun 06, 2014 at 11:58 AM PDT.

Also republished by Shut Down the NRA.

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      •  No, somebody tossing homemade grenades (22+ / 0-)

        out his car window would not be protected under any interpretation of "open carry" that I'm aware of.

        •  Well hand tossing no -- but grenade launcher (40+ / 0-)

          subject to interpretation.

          Don't send a teddy bear to the Martinez family, they don't want you to intrude on their grief - send a postcard to a politician Not One More

          by 88kathy on Fri Jun 06, 2014 at 02:09:16 PM PDT

          [ Parent ]

          •  Nice Scalia quote there (18+ / 0-)

            He wasn't sure whether shoulder-fired rocket-propelled grenades were within the Second Amendment, since they could, theoretically, be borne. "Head axes" were absolutely not appropriate, though, since their only purpose when the Constitution was written and frozen in amber was to scare people.

          •  What part of 'Arms' don't you understand? (5+ / 0-)

            Grenades, artillery, nukes, anthrax. All among the military hardware called 'Arms', all allowed to states' well-regulated militias under the constitution.

            •  From a most recent acquisition -- (1+ / 0-)
              Recommended by:
              i saw an old tree today

              "The Duke of York's Laws, 1665-75.," in The Earliest Printed Laws of New York 1665-1693 (Wilmington, DE: Michael Glazier, Inc., 1978), With an Editorial Note by John D. Cushing, 110: [49].
              -----
              [49]

              Military Affaires.

                For as much as the good Management of the Militia is the Support of all Governments in Peace and Safety, to which all Persons of what quality soever are obliged in duty & Conscience in their proportions to be Aiding and Assisting to this good end these following Lawes are to be observed.
                1  First, that every Male Person above the age of sixteen years Except, Justices, [The word "high" here occurs in Roslyn copy.] Sheriffes, high Constables and under Sherriffe Petty Constable Ministers and professed Schoolmasters, Physicians and Chirurgeons, allowed of by two Justices, Clarkes of Assizes or Sessions Publique Notaries, Masters of Shipps or vessels above Twenty Tunns Constant herdsmen or such as have bodily Infirmity or old age shall be excused by the Justices in any Sessions, as also one servant of each Justice or high Sheriff shall duely attend all Military Exercises and Service as
              Trayning watching and warding, when they are thereunto required and warned by their Officers under the penalty of five shillings for every Dayes default.
                2  Every Town shall be provided of a Sufficient ware ["ware" is "watch" in Roslyn copy.] house and a Safe convenient place thereunto Adjoyning for keeping Powder and Ammunition; under the penalty of ten Pounds and the Constable and Overseers shall provide and maintain for a General Stock to the use of the Town in Case of necessity, one
              Barrell of good Pouder, English weight one hundred and fifty Pounds of Muskett or Pistell Bullets Thirty Pounds of good Match; which they shall carefully renew from yeare to yeare,
              ["yeare to yeare" is "tyme to tyme" in Roslyn copy.] or time to time as shall be needful under the Penalty of five pounds, for The want of such proportions of Bullets, Pouder,
              or Match as beforementioned; And where there are Artillery forts or Batteryes in any Town, The Constable and Overseers shall Mount such Guns, and fitt them with Appurtenances for Service, and the Constable and Overseers are hereby authorized
              to Assess Levy or destrain upon the Inhabitants for building providing doing and maintaining the particulars before recited.
                3  Besides the Generall stocks of each Town Every Male within this Government from Sixteen to Sixty years of age, or not freed by public Allowance, shall if freeholders at their own, if sons or Servants at their Parents and Masters Charge and Cost, be furnished from time to time and so Continue well furnished with Arms and other Suitable provition hereafter mentioned: under the penalty of five Shillings for the least default therein
              Namely a good Serviceable Gun, allowed Sufficient by his Mili- [50] tary Officer to be kept in Constant fitness for present Service, with a good sword bandeleers or horne or worme a Scowerer a priming wire Shott Badge and Charger one pound of good powder, four pounds of Pistol bullets or twenty four bullets fitted to the gounne, four fathom of Serviceable Match for match lock gunn four good flints fitted for a fire lock gunn, And all
              Captains or Military, Officers are hereby required to give in or send an Accompt yearly, to the Governour and Councell how the Inhabitants are firnished and provided, That due Supply may be ordered.
                4  That the Constable and Overseers shall in behalf of their Town present to the Governour three names of the most fitt persons in their Towne to be Captaine Lieutenant and Ensigne to whome the governour shall Issue forth Commissions accordingly, unlesse he have Sufficient Exceptions against either of them In which case the Constable and Overseers, shall proceed to a new Election, which is to be by the plurality of voyces of
              the Soldiers.
                5  No man Elected into any Military Office, shall refuse to accept thereof, or discharge his trust therein under the penalty of five pounds whereof one half to be paid to the Governour and the other halfe to him that is chosen in his place, and accepts thereof.
                6  The Captaine or Chiefe Military Officer in each Towne is impoured once in three Months at least every yeare or oftner if they see good, to take a Strickt view, how every man is furniched with Armes and Ammunition accoridng to Law and where any are found faulty They are required to make presentments thereof to ther Constable and Overseers of the said Towne, That the fines and penalties may by them from tyme to tyme be duely Levied, and if this view of Armes and Ammunition, shall at any time be neglected or the defects not duly presented, The Captaine or Chiefe Military Officer shall pay forty Shillings for his Neglect, which fine shall be Levied by the Constable and applyed to the maintenance of the Publique Stock of the Towne.
                7  All fines for the Neglect of Townes or Captains and Chief Oficers in Military affairs, shall be imposed by the Court of Sessions only and not otherwise, but for the neglect of particular persons by the Constable and Overseers.
                8  Every Town within this Government shall have every year four Days of Trayning amongst themselves and theire shall be also in each Ryding once in the yeare a General Trayning of all the Townes within that Jurisdiction which may take up three dayes time, the one in Coming to the place appointed, the next for the Trayning, and the third for every one to Returne to theire Habitations. [51]
                8  There shall be likewise once in two years a General Trayning for all Souldiers within this Government, The time and place to be at the Nomination of the Governor.  
                In the Severall Traynings All Males above sixteen Years of age who are not freed from that Service, are to be taught and Instructed in the Comely handling and ready use of their Armes, in all postures of Warre to understand and attemd all words of Command, And further To fitt all Such as are or shall be in Some measure instructed for all Military Service, against there be occation under the penalty of forty Shillings to be Leveyed upon
              the Military Officers, as upon Examination they shall be found more or less faulty and with respect to their place the greater trust paying the Greatest fine for neglect And the dayes to be appointed for private and Generall Traynings shall be at the most Convenient times of the Year for Traynings, but not within fourteen dayes one of another, Moreover every such Trayning Day the Major Generall or Chief Military Officer present shall cause the names of all the Souldiers to be read in the forenoone and in the afternoone also if hee see Cause  And Whosoever in any Trayning day shall be totally absent, shall pay five Shillings for every such default, whoever shall at any time of the day withdraw himself from the Service without leave from the Chiefe Military Officer present hee shall pay
              either as for total absence, or a greater or less fine as the Offence considered in all Circumstances may require and And whosoever come late, shall pay for each such default one Shilling & for any other disorderly offencive Cariage according to the Nature and measure of it Nor shall any Town suffer their Inhabitants to Neglect or grow Slight in a service of such importance And what fines shall be levyed by virtue of any neglect or Misdemeanor at the General Trayning of such Jurisdiction The Major General shall have the one third and the other Officers two thirds.  [In the Roslyn copy the words "but what fines shall happen to bee att the general trayning, for the whole governments two-thirds shall bee payed to the Major Generall and one-third to the officers," follow.]
                9  All fines arising upon this accompt, and not exprest here, they shall be disposed of are to be Employed in the Buying Drumes, Colours, Halberds and other necessary Charges relating to the Militia.
                10  The Governor and Councell shall send warrants to the Major General, the Major General to the Captaines and Chief Officers, to draw their Severall Companies to a Certain place mentioned in the said warrants, alowing fourteen Dayes warnings in time of peace, But if at any time there shall happen within this Government any Forraigne Invation or any Publique [52] attempt or annoyance from a Common Enemy, whether Christain or Pagan or other Insurrection or Rebellion against the Lawfull Authority In such Case the Governor by warrant to the Major Generall the Major Generall to the Sheriffe, the Sheriff to all Officers both Civill and Military shall Immediately despatch Orders Warrants or presepts to all other Persons whatsoever, that upon their utmost perills of fine and Imprisonment, by the Governor & Councell they nor any of them do fail to meet upon a Certaine day and place in the warrant to be expressed with their Armes and other Military Provitions, where the Sheriffe in person is also to appear and attend there to receive further Order from the Governor and Council.
                Match locks accepted against omitted, which was the 11. [In the Roslyn copy the subdivision 11 is inserted as follows:
                11  One-third of Every company of what number soever, shall consist, is to bee trayned to use of a match locke muskitt which no man thereunto appoynted, by the Captaine shall refuse under the penalty of Twenty Shillings, but on the contrary shall appeare and Exercise with the same, at all traynings whatsoever; under the aforesaid penalty.]
                12  The three Chiefe Officers of each Company have power to punish any Souldier or Souldiers that shall commit disorder or or Contempt upon any day or time of Military Exercise within their Towne or upon any watch or ward, by Stocks Riding wooden Horse or other Military punishments or by fine not exceeding ten Shillings or may Commit such offenders to the Constable, or bee carried before some Justice of the peace who may bind him over to the next Court of Sessions, or Commit him to prison if the Cause so require.
                13  Offences of Contempt or disorder at any General Trayning shall bee heard and Adjudged by the Major General and the Captaines onely, who have power to double the fine or Treble the punishment upon the Offenders, though not to alter the manner which is directed to the Chiefe Military Officers in Towne Traynings.
                14  If any person cannot procure Armes or Ammunition with such pay or meanes as hee hath, If hee bring to the Captaine so much Corne as by the apprizement of the said Captain and two other Indifferent men whereof one to bee Chosen by the party, shall be adjudged of greater value by a fifth part, then such Armes and Ammunition is of hee shall bee excused of the penalty for want of Armes untill hee bee provided, and the Captaine shall Endeavoure to furnish him so soone as may bee by Sale of such goods so deposited, rendring the Overplus to [53] the party.  But if any person shall not bee able to provide himself Armes and Ammunition though meere povertry, if hee be Single he shall bee put to Service by the Constable and Overseers of the place where he dwelleth, or they shall provide him Armes and Ammunition, and shall appoint him when and with whom to worke it out.
                15  Upon any Expedition upon occation of any Enemy or any present Military Service to be done, All Smiths and other needful workmen shall immediately repaire such Armes and other Necessaries as shall be brought to them for that end, for which they shall not refuse such pay as the Country affords, upon the penalty of five pounds for every Such default, and for any Such Neglect at any time, other time more than ten dayes, shall forfeit for every such Offence ten Shillings.
                16  No man shall be Compeld to bear Armes or wage war by sea or Land, without the bounds and limits of this Government, But from Defensive warrs noe man shall be exempted.
                17  All defensive or vindictive Warrs upon Indyans shall be maintained by a Generall Assesment proportioned on each Towne according to the pay and Custome of England to
              Souldiers and half pay to Offficers.
                18  In respect of the mutuall, and Brotherly Assistance which wee ought at all times to Cherish and improve, for the helpe and Support of our English Neighbors in other his Majestyes Colonyes The Governour and Councell may at all tymes and in all places, by beat of Drum or otherwise, Call together list, raise Armes and send forth out of this Government.  [The words "to the releife of any other neighbour colonyes" here occur
              in Roslyn copy.] all such, or so many men as shall voluntaryly present themselves to the Service whether Servants or freemen, with this distinction onely, that if any Servant making use of that pretext, to Escape from his Master, shall flee and absent himself from his Colours, and not returne, if Living with his Officers; such Servant so offending, shall by lyable To bee punished by Death, according to the dissipline of warre and the master of such Servants shall have reasonable satisfaction allowed him by the Governour for such Damage And to all Voluntary Souldiers so Levied, shall be Allowed one Moneth pay and made good by a Generall Assessment proportioned to each Towne, all further Charges are to bee defrayed by the Colony to whose Assistance they are Employed, And all Justices of Peace Sheriffs high Constables and other Officers are impowered and required to Suppress and hinder all Levyes of Souldiers by beat of Drume or otherwise to
              [54] be composed ["composed" is "compassed" in Roslyn copy.]  But such as shall be Authorized by his Majesties immediate warrants, or the Governor and Councell here Established.
                19  All inferior Military Officers shall punctually obey the Orders of their Superiors in their Marches Quarters, and watches without murmuring and repining under the penalty of being fined at the Discretion of the Major General and Captains, from whose Sentence no appeal shall bee made to any Inferiour Court, nor abatement granted, except by the Governor & Councell.
                20  All Souldiers shall bee respective to their Officers and Obedient to their Command in their Marchings Quarterings and watchings as well as Traynings, whilest they are required
              to attend the Service, under the penalty, (for their Disobedience in ordinary occations) of five shillings but in Case of such Disobedience happen before the face of an Enemy; or when it is reasonably expected that an Enemy is at hand, to make an assault in such Cases the Officer or Officers shall commit such person or persons into Custody and at Convenient time either to Sentence the Offender to some grievous punishment by a
              Court Marshall, or remitt the Tryal thereof to the Court of Assizes who are impowered to hear, Examine and Determine the Cause and what fine or penalty that Court shall thinke
              to impose upon the offender.
                21  If any man appointed to stand Centinell, shall bee found sleeping during that duty, whereby the lives of others are in Danger, hee shall pay forty Shillings or suffer other Military Punishment, but if hee shall come off from being Centinel, without being relieved hee shall forfeit five pounds.
                22  Every man that absents himself from the watch without leave from his Officer, shall pay five Shillings, and with leave shall hire another; in his place, But if any man shall depart from the watch without leave of his Officers he shall forfeit ten Shillings more, with other paines and penaltyes, according to the meaure of the Danger that may ensue thereuopn.
                23  That no Troope of Horse shall exceed the Number of fifty Troopers besides officers (viz) A Captaine, a Lieutenant, A Cornet, a Quarter Master, three Corporals; which Officers and the private Troopers are to observe the same times for Muster and Exercise in Military discipline with all other Circumstances enjoyned upon the foot Officers and Souldiers respectively, Mutatis Mutandis as followeth.
                24  Every Trooper listed in any Troope of Horse shall keepe and maintaine a good Horse Fitted with Sadle, bridle, Holsters, Pistolls or Carbine, and a good Sword under the penalty of ten Shillings for the least default [55]  Nor is it lawful for any Trooper to sell or Change his Horse without the Captaine's concent under ye penalty of five pounds.
                And for non appearance upon dayes of Muster and Exercise ten Shillings a day.
                Neither is it Lawfull for any listed Trooper to disband himself, but with leave from his Captaine under the penalty of fifty Shillings.
                All Officers both of Horse and foote shall from time to time Obey their Superiour Officers in all things Relating to the Military affaires of this Government.
                All other Penalties for defaults in other Officers or Souldiers of a Troope of Horse, shall bee the same and Levied in the same manner, and applyed to such uses as are else where directed and Ordained in Relation to the foote Officers and Souldiers.
              -----

              This is the country of those three great rights: freedom of conscience, freedom of speech, and the wisdom never to exercise either of them. -- Mark Twain.

              by JJustin on Sat Jun 07, 2014 at 05:09:20 PM PDT

              [ Parent ]

              •  Your pasting skills (0+ / 0-)

                are exceeded only by your obtuseness.

                •  I happened to type that statute in, verbatim, (0+ / 0-)

                  from the cited facsimile volume.

                  Putting aside your personal attack -- which is prohibited by DailyKos Terms of Service -- and I not being the issue:

                  What about that law do you not understand?

                  The part about those eligible for militia duty not being able to afford weapons -- or saying to the recruiter,

                  "Gee, I'd love to be in your militia, but I don't own a gun --"

                  being answered by the gov't saying,

                  "Here -- have one of ours!"

                  This is the country of those three great rights: freedom of conscience, freedom of speech, and the wisdom never to exercise either of them. -- Mark Twain.

                  by JJustin on Sun Jun 08, 2014 at 09:08:04 AM PDT

                  [ Parent ]

                •  Let's try it this way -- I'll make it easy for you (0+ / 0-)

                  -- read the few parts bolded:

                  "The Duke of York's Laws, 1665-75.," in The Earliest Printed Laws of New York 1665-1693 (Wilmington, DE: Michael Glazier, Inc., 1978), With an Editorial Note by John D. Cushing, 110: [49].
                  -----
                  [49]

                  Military Affaires.

                   For as much as the good Management of the Militia is the Support of all Governments in Peace and Safety, to which all Persons of what quality soever are obliged in duty & Conscience in their proportions to be Aiding and Assisting to this good end these following Lawes are to be observed.
                    1  First, that every Male Person above the age of sixteen years Except, Justices, [The word "high" here occurs in Roslyn copy.] Sheriffes, high Constables and under Sherriffe Petty Constable Ministers and professed Schoolmasters, Physicians and Chirurgeons, allowed of by two Justices, Clarkes of Assizes or Sessions Publique Notaries, Masters of Shipps or vessels above Twenty Tunns Constant herdsmen or such as have bodily Infirmity or old age shall be excused by the Justices in any Sessions, as also one servant of each Justice or high Sheriff shall duely attend all Military Exercises and Service as Trayning watching and warding, when they are thereunto required and warned by their Officers under the penalty of five shillings for every Dayes default.
                    2  Every Town shall be provided of a Sufficient ware ["ware" is "watch" in Roslyn copy.] house and a Safe convenient place thereunto Adjoyning for keeping Powder and Ammunition; under the penalty of ten Pounds and the Constable and Overseers shall provide and maintain for a General Stock to the use of the Town in Case of necessity, one Barrell of good Pouder, English weight one hundred and fifty Pounds of Muskett or Pistell Bullets Thirty Pounds of good Match; which they shall carefully renew from yeare to yeare, ["yeare to yeare" is "tyme to tyme" in Roslyn copy.] or time to time as shall be needful under the Penalty of five pounds, for The want of such proportions of Bullets, Pouder, or Match as beforementioned; And where there are Artillery forts or Batteryes in any Town, The Constable and Overseers shall Mount such Guns, and fitt them with Appurtenances for Service, and the Constable and Overseers are hereby authorized to Assess Levy or destrain upon the Inhabitants for building providing doing and maintaining the particulars before recited.
                    3  Besides the Generall stocks of each Town Every Male within this Government from Sixteen to Sixty years of age, or not freed by public Allowance, shall if freeholders at their own, if sons or Servants at their Parents and Masters Charge and Cost, be furnished from time to time and so Continue well furnished with Arms and other Suitable provition hereafter mentioned: under the penalty of five Shillings for the least default therein Namely a good Serviceable Gun, allowed Sufficient by his Mili-[50]tary Officer to be kept in Constant fitness for present Service, with a good sword bandeleers or horne or worme a Scowerer a priming wire Shott Badge and Charger one pound of good powder, four pounds of Pistol bullets or twenty four bullets fitted to the gounne, four fathom of Serviceable Match for match lock gunn four good flints fitted for a fire lock gunn, And all Captains or Military, Officers are hereby required to give in or send an Accompt yearly, to the Governour and Councell how the Inhabitants are firnished and provided, That due Supply may be ordered.
                    4  That the Constable and Overseers shall in behalf of their Town present to the Governour three names of the most fitt persons in their Towne to be Captaine Lieutenant and Ensigne to whome the governour shall Issue forth Commissions accordingly, unlesse he have Sufficient Exceptions against either of them In which case the Constable and Overseers, shall proceed to a new Election, which is to be by the plurality of voyces of
                  the Soldiers.
                    5  No man Elected into any Military Office, shall refuse to accept thereof, or discharge his trust therein under the penalty of five pounds whereof one half to be paid to the Governour and the other halfe to him that is chosen in his place, and accepts thereof.
                    6  The Captaine or Chiefe Military Officer in each Towne is impoured once in three Months at least every yeare or oftner if they see good, to take a Strickt view, how every man is furniched with Armes and Ammunition according to Law and where any are found faulty They are required to make presentments thereof to ther Constable and Overseers of the said Towne, That the fines and penalties may by them from tyme to tyme be duely Levied, and if this view of Armes and Ammunition, shall at any time be neglected or the defects not duly presented, The Captaine or Chiefe Military Officer shall pay forty Shillings for his Neglect, which fine shall be Levied by the Constable and applyed to the maintenance of the Publique Stock of the Towne.
                    7  All fines for the Neglect of Townes or Captains and Chief Oficers in Military affairs, shall be imposed by the Court of Sessions only and not otherwise, but for the neglect of particular persons by the Constable and Overseers.
                    8  Every Town within this Government shall have every year four Days of Trayning amongst themselves and theire shall be also in each Ryding once in the yeare a General Trayning of all the Townes within that Jurisdiction which may take up three dayes time, the one in Coming to the place appointed, the next for the Trayning, and the third for every one to Returne to theire Habitations. [51]
                    8  There shall be likewise once in two years a General Trayning for all Souldiers within this Government, The time and place to be at the Nomination of the Governor.  
                    In the Severall Traynings All Males above sixteen Years of age who are not freed from that Service, are to be taught and Instructed in the Comely handling and ready use of their Armes, in all postures of Warre to understand and attend all words of Command, And further To fitt all Such as are or shall be in Some measure instructed for all Military Service, against there be occation under the penalty of forty Shillings to be Leveyed upon the Military Officers, as upon Examination they shall be found more or less faulty and with respect to their place the greater trust paying the Greatest fine for neglect And the dayes to be appointed for private and Generall Traynings shall be at the most Convenient times of the Year for Traynings, but not within fourteen dayes one of another, Moreover every such Trayning Day the Major Generall or Chief Military Officer present shall cause the names of all the Souldiers to be read in the forenoone and in the afternoone also if hee see Cause  And Whosoever in any Trayning day shall be totally absent, shall pay five Shillings for every such default, whoever shall at any time of the day withdraw himself from the Service without leave from the Chiefe Military Officer present hee shall pay either as for total absence, or a greater or less fine as the Offence considered in all Circumstances may require and And whosoever come late, shall pay for each such default one Shilling & for any other disorderly offencive Cariage according to the Nature and measure of it Nor shall any Town suffer their Inhabitants to Neglect or grow Slight in a service of such importance And what fines shall be levyed by virtue of any neglect or Misdemeanor at the General Trayning of such Jurisdiction The Major General shall have the one third and the other Officers two thirds.  [In the Roslyn copy the words "but what fines shall happen to bee att the general trayning, for the whole governments two-thirds shall bee payed to the Major Generall and one-third to the officers," follow.]
                    9  All fines arising upon this accompt, and not exprest here, they shall be disposed of are to be Employed in the Buying Drumes, Colours, Halberds and other necessary Charges relating to the Militia.
                    10  The Governor and Councell shall send warrants to the Major General, the Major General to the Captaines and Chief Officers, to draw their Severall Companies to a Certain place mentioned in the said warrants, alowing fourteen Dayes warnings in time of peace, But if at any time there shall happen within this Government any Forraigne Invation or any Publique [52] attempt or annoyance from a Common Enemy, whether Christain or Pagan or other Insurrection or Rebellion against the Lawfull Authority In such Case the Governor by warrant to the Major Generall the Major Generall to the Sheriffe, the Sheriff to all Officers both Civill and Military shall Immediately despatch Orders Warrants or presepts to all other Persons whatsoever, that upon their utmost perills of fine and Imprisonment, by the Governor & Councell they nor any of them do fail to meet upon a Certaine day and place in the warrant to be expressed with their Armes and other Military Provitions, where the Sheriffe in person is also to appear and attend there to receive further Order from the Governor and Council.
                    Match locks accepted against omitted, which was the 11. [In the Roslyn copy the subdivision 11 is inserted as follows:
                    11  One-third of Every company of what number soever, shall consist, is to bee trayned to use of a match locke muskitt which no man thereunto appoynted, by the Captaine shall refuse under the penalty of Twenty Shillings, but on the contrary shall appeare and Exercise with the same, at all traynings whatsoever; under the aforesaid penalty.]
                    12  The three Chiefe Officers of each Company have power to punish any Souldier or Souldiers that shall commit disorder or or Contempt upon any day or time of Military Exercise within their Towne or upon any watch or ward, by Stocks Riding wooden Horse or other Military punishments or by fine not exceeding ten Shillings or may Commit such offenders to the Constable, or bee carried before some Justice of the peace who may bind him over to the next Court of Sessions, or Commit him to prison if the Cause so require.
                    13  Offences of Contempt or disorder at any General Trayning shall bee heard and Adjudged by the Major General and the Captaines onely, who have power to double the fine or Treble the punishment upon the Offenders, though not to alter the manner which is directed to the Chiefe Military Officers in Towne Traynings.
                    14  If any person cannot procure Armes or Ammunition with such pay or meanes as hee hath, If hee bring to the Captaine so much Corne as by the apprizement of the said Captain and two other Indifferent men whereof one to bee Chosen by the party, shall be adjudged of greater value by a fifth part, then such Armes and Ammunition is of hee shall bee excused of the penalty for want of Armes untill hee bee provided, and the Captaine shall Endeavoure to furnish him so soone as may bee by Sale of such goods so deposited, rendring the Overplus to [53] the party.  But if any person shall not bee able to provide himself Armes and Ammunition though meere povertry, if hee be Single he shall bee put to Service by the Constable and Overseers of the place where he dwelleth, or they shall provide him Armes and Ammunition, and shall appoint him when and with whom to worke it out.
                    15  Upon any Expedition upon occation of any Enemy or any present Military Service to be done, All Smiths and other needful workmen shall immediately repaire such Armes and other Necessaries as shall be brought to them for that end, for which they shall not refuse such pay as the Country affords, upon the penalty of five pounds for every Such default, and for any Such Neglect at any time, other time more than ten dayes, shall forfeit for every such Offence ten Shillings.
                    16  No man shall be Compeld to bear Armes or wage war by sea or Land, without the bounds and limits of this Government, But from Defensive warrs noe man shall be exempted.
                    17  All defensive or vindictive Warrs upon Indyans shall be maintained by a Generall Assesment proportioned on each Towne according to the pay and Custome of England to Souldiers and half pay to Offficers.
                    18  In respect of the mutuall, and Brotherly Assistance which wee ought at all times to Cherish and improve, for the helpe and Support of our English Neighbors in other his Majestyes Colonyes The Governour and Councell may at all tymes and in all places, by beat of Drum or otherwise, Call together list, raise Armes and send forth out of this Government.  [The words "to the releife of any other neighbour colonyes" here occur in Roslyn copy.] all such, or so many men as shall voluntaryly present themselves to the Service whether Servants or freemen, with this distinction onely, that if any Servant making use of that pretext, to Escape from his Master, shall flee and absent himself from his Colours, and not returne, if Living with his Officers; such Servant so offending, shall by lyable To bee punished by Death, according to the dissipline of warre and the master of such Servants shall have reasonable satisfaction allowed him by the Governour for such Damage And to all Voluntary Souldiers so Levied, shall be Allowed one Moneth pay and made good by a Generall Assessment proportioned to each Towne, all further Charges are to bee defrayed by the Colony to whose Assistance they are Employed, And all Justices of Peace Sheriffs high Constables and other Officers are impowered and required to Suppress and hinder all Levyes of Souldiers by beat of Drume or otherwise to [54] be composed ["composed" is "compassed" in Roslyn copy.]  But such as shall be Authorized by his Majesties immediate warrants, or the Governor and Councell here Established.
                    19  All inferior Military Officers shall punctually obey the Orders of their Superiors in their Marches Quarters, and watches without murmuring and repining under the penalty of being fined at the Discretion of the Major General and Captains, from whose Sentence no appeal shall bee made to any Inferiour Court, nor abatement granted, except by the Governor & Councell.
                    20  All Souldiers shall bee respective to their Officers and Obedient to their Command in their Marchings Quarterings and watchings as well as Traynings, whilest they are required to attend the Service, under the penalty, (for their Disobedience in ordinary occations) of five shillings but in Case of such Disobedience happen before the face of an Enemy; or when it is reasonably expected that an Enemy is at hand, to make an assault in such Cases the Officer or Officers shall commit such person or persons into Custody and at Convenient time either to Sentence the Offender to some grievous punishment by a Court Marshall, or remitt the Tryal thereof to the Court of Assizes who are impowered to hear, Examine and Determine the Cause and what fine or penalty that Court shall thinke to impose upon the offender.
                    21  If any man appointed to stand Centinell, shall bee found sleeping during that duty, whereby the lives of others are in Danger, hee shall pay forty Shillings or suffer other Military Punishment, but if hee shall come off from being Centinel, without being relieved hee shall forfeit five pounds.
                    22  Every man that absents himself from the watch without leave from his Officer, shall pay five Shillings, and with leave shall hire another; in his place, But if any man shall depart from the watch without leave of his Officers he shall forfeit ten Shillings more, with other paines and penaltyes, according to the meaure of the Danger that may ensue thereuopn.
                    23  That no Troope of Horse shall exceed the Number of fifty Troopers besides officers (viz) A Captaine, a Lieutenant, A Cornet, a Quarter Master, three Corporals; which Officers and the private Troopers are to observe the same times for Muster and Exercise in Military discipline with all other Circumstances enjoyned upon the foot Officers and Souldiers respectively, Mutatis Mutandis as followeth.
                    24  Every Trooper listed in any Troope of Horse shall keepe and maintaine a good Horse Fitted with Sadle, bridle, Holsters, Pistolls or Carbine, and a good Sword under the penalty of ten Shillings for the least default [55]  Nor is it lawful for any Trooper to sell or Change his Horse without the Captaine's concent under ye penalty of five pounds.
                    And for non appearance upon dayes of Muster and Exercise ten Shillings a day.
                    Neither is it Lawfull for any listed Trooper to disband himself, but with leave from his Captaine under the penalty of fifty Shillings.
                    All Officers both of Horse and foote shall from time to time Obey their Superiour Officers in all things Relating to the Military affaires of this Government.
                    All other Penalties for defaults in other Officers or Souldiers of a Troope of Horse, shall bee the same and Levied in the same manner, and applyed to such uses as are else where directed and Ordained in Relation to the foote Officers and Souldiers.
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                  No sane society leaves dangerous substances or objects lying around unregulated.  That includes armed gangs professing a view that rejects all rule of law by characterizing law -- and the sane reasoning behind it -- as "obtuse".

                  As for the false and intendedly-denigrating allegation of "pasting skills": if a fact is a fact, then whether it is directly typed in -- which is the fact -- and then "pasted" is irrelevant.

                  In fact, you can't refute the fact, so you personally attack the messenger who puts the fact in your face.

                  This is the country of those three great rights: freedom of conscience, freedom of speech, and the wisdom never to exercise either of them. -- Mark Twain.

                  by JJustin on Sun Jun 08, 2014 at 09:32:24 AM PDT

                  [ Parent ]

        •  How about carrying the grenades? (4+ / 0-)

          They are just weapons after all.

          America, where a rising tide lifts all boats! Unless you don't have a boat...uh...then it lifts all who can swim! Er, uh...um...and if you can't swim? SHAME ON YOU!

          by Back In Blue on Fri Jun 06, 2014 at 02:49:21 PM PDT

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      •  You can't bring a gun into a GA courthouse (7+ / 0-)

        unless there is no security screening, which all courthouses that I've been in have, or unless you're a court clerk, federal prosecutor, active or retired judge, the AG or AG staff.

        So I don't think he would have been protected.

      •  Aaaactually... (11+ / 0-)

        They protected themselves. It is still illegal to take guns to courthouses and city/town/state buildings that designate no concealed weapons. On the other hand, it's fine to carry pistols to bars, churches (why?), libraries, and all schools. Basically, the Georgia Assembly said that they alone could be safe from unpredictable people carrying weapons.

        "man, proud man,/ Drest in a little brief authority,. . . Plays such fantastic tricks before high heaven/ As make the angels weep; who, with our spleens,/ Would all themselves laugh mortal." -- Shakespeare, Measure for Measure II ii, 117-23

        by The Geogre on Fri Jun 06, 2014 at 06:03:07 PM PDT

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    •  SPLC on Soverign Citizens (51+ / 0-)

      They have a detailed history on their website, including past violence:

      Violence

      When a sovereign feels particularly desperate, angry, battle-weary and cornered, his next government contact, no matter how minor, can be his final straw. The resulting rage can be lethal. In 1995 in Ohio, a sovereign named Michael Hill pulled a gun on an officer during a traffic stop. Hill was killed. In 1997, New Hampshire extremist Carl Drega shot dead two officers and two civilians, and wounded another three officers before being killed himself. In that same year in Idaho, when brothers Doug and Craig Broderick were pulled over for failing to signal, they killed one officer and wounded another before being killed themselves in a violent gun battle. In December 2003, members of the Bixby family, who lived outside of Abbeville, S.C., killed two law enforcement officers in a dispute over a small sliver of land next to their home. And in May 2010, Jerry and Joseph Kane, a father and son sovereign team, shot to death two West Memphis, Ark., police officers who had pulled them over in a routine traffic stop. Later that day, the Kanes were killed in a fierce shootout with police that wounded two other officers.

      "If you're in a coalition and you're comfortable, you know it's not a broad enough coalition." Dr. Bernice Johnson Reagon

      by Denise Oliver Velez on Fri Jun 06, 2014 at 12:29:58 PM PDT

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    •  Oh? Was he wearing a sign or something? (14+ / 0-)

      "Bob Johnson doesn't have special privileges, because really, why would I entrust that guy with ANYTHING?" - kos, November 9, 2013

      by Bob Johnson on Fri Jun 06, 2014 at 12:33:09 PM PDT

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    •  Please don't spoil the narrative. (2+ / 0-)
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      Dammit Jim, I'm a lawyer, not a grammarian. So sue me.

      by Pi Li on Fri Jun 06, 2014 at 12:34:52 PM PDT

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    •  I disagree. It is exactly about open carry. (23+ / 0-)

      Without the open carry law, the shooter would never have gotten that close to the court house to begin with. The deputy would probably not have been wounded.

      Open carry is too convenient for killers. It's insane. The obvious problem is that by the time it is figured out that the person isn't "sane", people are already dead.

      •  The firearm was concealed in an automobile (1+ / 0-)
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        The rifle was in no way "open". Sheesh
        Lots of stuff to be outraged about here.  Why make up shit?

        •  Hey no one is making up stuff unless you (3+ / 0-)
          Recommended by:
          Keeping it Simple , a2nite, Azubia

          refer to the CNN reporting ..We are giving our opinions.

          Just how much Koch do Right Wingers want in their life? . United Veterans of America

          by Vetwife on Sat Jun 07, 2014 at 03:31:55 AM PDT

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          •  Angryallen is ANGRY. (0+ / 0-)

            Yeah, it was my opinion. And it is also possible that I missed something in the story. I found the video very confusing.

            •  Oh yeah, (1+ / 0-)
              Recommended by:
              Vetwife

              and my opinion about open carry is still valid.

              The law is an open invitation for mass shooters to get more up close and personal than ever.

              Vetwife, do you think its possible that this is whole gun thing is some kind of brain fever that Mother Nature is giving us in order to restore balance to the planet? In the same way that if you get too many deer, or too many rabbits for an area to sustain, they'll get diseased and die back?

              Are we thinning our own gene pool with this nonsense, and are we strong enough to stop even if we wanted too?

              You can consider the above snark if it suits you.

              Looking at the stupid all around me, I am seriously beginning to wonder. I always thought we'd have another pandemic, similar to the one at the turn of the century, but really, gun people doing in gun people would be so much better, if it wasn't for the innocent people caught in the middle.

    •  Paulbot? (3+ / 0-)
      Recommended by:
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      6/6/14....Dennis Marx, the shooter who attempted to occupy a Forsyth County court house Friday, has been identified by law enforcement officials as a member of the Sovereign Citizens Movement.

      Marx represents a still-small percentage of the anti-government organization that escalates from “paper terrorism” to acts of violence. The group, classified by the Federal Bureau of Investigation as a domestic terrorist organization, maintains the belief that they are not subject to municipal, state and federal systems of law, instead following only “common law.”

      Members of this group consider the United States government illegitimate and do not believe in paying taxes, needing a valid driver’s license or even the government’s right to tell them which laws to follow, according to the Southern Poverty Law Center’s website.

      The group has a long list of beliefs including that the government has enslaved its citizens by backing U.S. currency on the “full faith and credit” of the government instead of the gold standard. Also the organization is known for its belief in a secret second identity and monetary amount assigned to each citizen at birth known as a “straw man.”

      http://www.ajc.com/...

      "Tax cuts for the 1% create jobs." -- Republicans, HAHAHA - in China

      by MartyM on Sat Jun 07, 2014 at 05:17:19 AM PDT

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      •  They don't actually know the meaning of "common (1+ / 0-)
        Recommended by:
        Vetwife

        law".

        Typically it's a mishmash of "natural" law, "Libertarian" irresponsibility, rejection of all laws outside self-serving spur-of-the-moment whim, and reason altogether.

        But it's everyone else's fault -- primarily the gum'mint's -- that they reduce their options to one or the other: kill or be killed.

        With only one being guaranteed:

        Being killed.

        This is the country of those three great rights: freedom of conscience, freedom of speech, and the wisdom never to exercise either of them. -- Mark Twain.

        by JJustin on Sat Jun 07, 2014 at 05:16:53 PM PDT

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  •  Yup, not at all surprised! (10+ / 0-)

    Good grief!  When will we learn...  I am speechless...

  •  they stopped the guy from entering the building? (54+ / 0-)

    They violated his second amendment rights?  I think I can see a lawsuit brewing.  Let me take over for the NRA for a minute.  The guy drove up and allegedly tried to run over a deputy.  That was a traffic accident, not a gun incident.

    He then threw out nail strips to delay back-up.  That was a carpentry accident. not a firearm accident.  The guy set off pepper bombs but again, guns are not bombs.  Anticipating the NRA all you have at this time is a guy who is scheduled to be at the courthouse and who is in open possession of a gun (the issue of his being a felon or not, let's just ignore as irrelevant) in a public area, as the law allows.

    At this point, the guy fires at the deputy who was brandishing his gun.  At this point this is clearly SYG.  LE is clearly at fault here for making the guy feel threatened as he was outside the courthouse with open carry.

    In the event, that explanation does not stand scrutiny, then let us assume the guy was a solo actor with no connections to any groups whatsoever.

    I cannot imagine how GoA will spin this

    •  Hi there, My names Diphshitus Achole (0+ / 0-)

      And I would like to discuss posssible work as a "commentator" for the large noise network I work for.  We think  -well we don't actually think in conventional terms- that you have a real tallent for helping to explain events to people in a way that helps them from having to process them thoughtfully.

      Unless of course you don't actually have the ability to think yourself, and you just copied your post.  If that's the case, I would like to introduce you to my friend.  He may have an open position for you to apply for this Nov or maybe in 2016. Pays good and its damn near impossible to get fired....  

      hehe.  I really liked your spin

    •  The gun had nothing to do it. (0+ / 0-)

      Well, maybe the deputy's having a gun -- armed gum'mint -- was a factor.

      Ultimately, though, a bunch of people interacted, with many soungs like gunshots make, but people kill people, so guns weren't involved.

      Except maybe the deputy's.

      This is the country of those three great rights: freedom of conscience, freedom of speech, and the wisdom never to exercise either of them. -- Mark Twain.

      by JJustin on Sat Jun 07, 2014 at 05:19:19 PM PDT

      [ Parent ]

  •  The gubmint tried to take his gunz! (18+ / 0-)

    Stand Your Ground!

    Moron Labia!

    "Nothing in all the world is more dangerous than sincere ignorance and conscientious stupidity." --M. L. King "You can't fix stupid" --Ron White -6.00, -5.18

    by zenbassoon on Fri Jun 06, 2014 at 12:25:29 PM PDT

  •  What a dope. (38+ / 0-)

    Had he just walked up the front steps with his rifle slung over his shoulder, he could have told the deputy that he was part of Open Carry Texas coming to congratulate the Georgia legislature on passing open carry for any idiot who happens to get his hands on a gun.

    "Bob Johnson doesn't have special privileges, because really, why would I entrust that guy with ANYTHING?" - kos, November 9, 2013

    by Bob Johnson on Fri Jun 06, 2014 at 12:36:44 PM PDT

  •  I hate to see this stuff (9+ / 0-)

    but I guess if it has to happen, and it does, I hope it happens in THEIR yards so they can see and deal with the lunacy up close in their own communities and lives to the point where they either disarm themselves or take themselves all out (just kidding).

    I've never left a blank space on a ballot... but I will not vote for someone [who vows] to spy on me. I will not do it. - dclawyer06

    Trust, but verify. - Reagan
    Vote, but Occupy. - commonmass

    by Words In Action on Fri Jun 06, 2014 at 12:37:47 PM PDT

  •  You think this guy (8+ / 0-)

    acted because of a change in the law?

    "A lie is not the other side of a story; it's just a lie."

    by happy camper on Fri Jun 06, 2014 at 12:45:53 PM PDT

  •  I was not aware of (10+ / 0-)

    what happened so thank you for reporting. I hadn't seen the news yet on this but I don not think he was  an "open carry" advocate.

    Also, HB 60, the gun law that more than one diary has admonished GA over, does not take effect until 07/01/2014.

    The guy was scheduled for some type of hearing at the same courthouse and decided he would attempt to run over the deputy, shoot the deputy, and deploy spike strips to counter police response, all the while throwing smoke or cs-gas grenades. To me, that does not sound like an open carry or any type of 2nd amendment advocate at all.

    •  At minimum he was emboldened by the NRA/gun (1+ / 0-)
      Recommended by:
      Vetwife

      industry against the Second Amendment.

      "Sovereign citizens" are simply criminals who reject all rule of law as being infringements of their "inalienable" "right" to be a criminal.

      The use bullshit terms such as "natural" law, which they gibberish into convoluted bullshit as effort to keep others befogged and behind the curve.

      They are stupid, and they preach stupid.  And they tend to go out in a blip of a "blaze" of "glory," and be forgotten within minutes.

      This is the country of those three great rights: freedom of conscience, freedom of speech, and the wisdom never to exercise either of them. -- Mark Twain.

      by JJustin on Sat Jun 07, 2014 at 05:32:02 PM PDT

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  •  Our gun aficionados are getting bored. (3+ / 0-)
    Recommended by:
    a2nite, WakeUpNeo, Vetwife

    Don't send a teddy bear to the Martinez family, they don't want you to intrude on their grief - send a postcard to a politician Not One More

    by 88kathy on Fri Jun 06, 2014 at 02:07:24 PM PDT

    •  He preached against it, right? And was selling (1+ / 0-)
      Recommended by:
      Vetwife

      tickets to his caged-animal-hunting/guaranteed kill/trophy "ranch"?

      This is the country of those three great rights: freedom of conscience, freedom of speech, and the wisdom never to exercise either of them. -- Mark Twain.

      by JJustin on Sat Jun 07, 2014 at 05:33:23 PM PDT

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  •  Actually the whole diary was not meant for (18+ / 0-)

    anything but reporting what happened.  It is just that gun nuts are out there and Ga DID make it easier with their background loopholes and such... I know the law does not take effect until July 1 but hey....if the guy didn't respect any laws like Clive Bundy, it just protects these types more.   He was anti government and there are plenty out there , I just think Ga should have thought more of their citizens before saying, " Here carry a gun"...It still boils down to law enforcement protecting and not the good citizen with a gun which is the point I was trying to make..

    Just how much Koch do Right Wingers want in their life? . United Veterans of America

    by Vetwife on Fri Jun 06, 2014 at 02:17:36 PM PDT

  •  Mr. Marx had bombs strapped to him, (7+ / 0-)

    and other supplies for hostages and a siege...and other reports say he was a "Sovereign Citizen", shot and killed by a guard who he had shot and tried to run over...a few miles from Atlanta this afternoon.

    You look at some people and wonder how they found their way out of the birth canal....

    by old mark on Fri Jun 06, 2014 at 02:39:50 PM PDT

  •  Al Qaeda doesn't need to do another thing. (15+ / 0-)

    At the rate we are devolving, we don't need foreign enemies.

    We will just self-destruct.

  •  the new law has not taken effect yet. (2+ / 0-)
    Recommended by:
    mjd in florida, Vetwife

    It starts on July 1.  Then the fun will begin!

    sometimes the dragon wins

    by kathy in ga on Fri Jun 06, 2014 at 04:07:12 PM PDT

    •  The GOP gun publicity/promotions promote this... (5+ / 0-)

      The Georgia GOP gun mania has been under way for some time. Years…and the gun mania is ramping up.

      The "Guns Everywhere" law was proposed last year, passed this year, and signed by the Gov in the House Speaker's rural hometown, with great state and national publicity well in advance of it's "July 1" date.

      What an exciting July 4th we can look forward to! Shooting everywhere? In all directions? No need for fireworks, we'll celebrate with firepower. Kids are encouraged to participate in our state--they certainly shoot each other often enough.

      GA GOP-TP Congressman Paul Broun raffled an AR-15 as a publicity hook in his failed run for the Senate. GA GOP-TP Congressman Doug Collins, in his taxpayer paid for mailers refers to his defense of our "God given right to bear arms".

      All our current candidates, GOP and Dems, endorse "gun rights" and wrongs in order to pass the gunnery litmus test that the media and NRA stir up. Our GOP leadership even created a bypass for GA's decades old mandatory hunter safety training for hunting licenses--a three day "apprentice license". Gun up and and go in the woods and see if you like it, whether you are endangering everyone else or not...

      The "Guns Everywhere" law gives a send-up to federal gun purchasing laws which forbid sales of guns to mental cases, so that demographic can't carry now, as  it will soon be illegal in GA, yet the state law forbids any list of concealed carry license holder registries, even for cops.

      And yes, while the Forsyth Courthouse was being cleared by SWAT and worked as a crime scene, the next town east [Buford] had the SWAT team out on a domestic intervention because the guy shot at deputies and SWAT. The Gwinnett County sharpshooters shot him in the hand as he fired again out the window…he called 911 for help.

      How bad is it now in Georgia? Gwinnett County just ordered bullet proof vests for firefighters.

      Gwinnett firefighters will soon begin wearing bullet-proof vests
      http://www.ajc.com/...

      Seems living in our "no-training required, shall issue concealed carry permit" state has made even going to the Waffle House deadly. This belligerent drunk GA CCW holder shot a deputy dead last weekend:

      Griffin officer shot and killed at Waffle House
      http://www.ajc.com/...

      This is only getting worse. And in your face, everywhere. For some of us natives, who are old enough to have ordered guns  from the Sears catalog, what the GOP has done to the citizens of Georgia is nothing less than despicable. Guns everywhere, church, little league games, everywhere. We would never imagine carrying around ARs is some kind of statement of freedom. It's rude and threatening.

      Forsyth County: Georgia man flaunts gun at Little League game frightening parents and children
      http://freakoutnation.com/...

    •  Just in time for the 4th (1+ / 0-)
      Recommended by:
      a2nite

      Just how much Koch do Right Wingers want in their life? . United Veterans of America

      by Vetwife on Sat Jun 07, 2014 at 03:36:39 AM PDT

      [ Parent ]

  •  Tea Party Terrorist Attack Averted (11+ / 0-)

    should be the headline for this story.

    The modern conservative is engaged in one of man's oldest exercises in moral philosophy; that is, the search for a superior moral justification for selfishness. -- John Kenneth Galbraith

    by richardak on Fri Jun 06, 2014 at 04:22:22 PM PDT

  •  Just a thought (6+ / 0-)

    These anti gov type radicals really bother me. A lot of Republicans also work for the government. The navy, army, NASA (see Marshall center in AL for ex). If they harbor such deep distrust and hatred for the government how can we be sure that they are doing their best work and not trying to sabotage America. let alone the overseas threats we should be worried about our local American Taliban destroying us from inside.

    •  You have to take it on faith (2+ / 0-)
      Recommended by:
      Vetwife, Oh Mary Oh

      because I ask the same question.  There are a lot of administrative things that don't work with the government and I've wondered if it is some ideological nut doing what he/she can to mess up the works.  Destroy it from the inside.

      There are people all over that hate the president because he is black, some may work for us in the federal government.  They may have taken Mitch's oath as well, make him a one term president.  My experience is primarily with the USDA.

      Being against gun control makes it really, really, hard to believe you are a prolife family values kind of person..

      by fromma on Fri Jun 06, 2014 at 08:37:26 PM PDT

      [ Parent ]

  •  Thank you for sharing this story VetWife (5+ / 0-)

    Does anyone ever think that the last thing any good guy with a gun wants to do is draw down on someone? Let alone take a life.

    Thinking that the answer is more good guys with guns is just adding one more layer of broken to all of this.

    Notice I didn't type 'good guy'. I still think there are good guys. I just don't want them to think they need to be armed.

  •  Cobb county (11+ / 0-)

    My cousin and I witnessed a murder suicide (wife killed her husband) in a parking lot of a grocery store today.  She called 911 while I drove like mad out of the lot.  

    I'm so tired of it all.  My husband risked his life in military service for this???  So that the weathy can keep us distracted with gun violence, racial discord, and living paycheck to paycheck so that they can gain more power?

    •  A Kroger store…the next "Target" of gun nuts? (6+ / 0-)

      Will Kroger consider a "no guns policy" so we can safely buy groceries?

      It was reported the Kroger store was allowed to stay open while this crime scene was worked, and washed down.

      Downtown Cumming (Forsyth's courthouse scene) is still shut down as of this posting.

      Maybe when all the shooting investigations statewide start affecting business owners and daily travel, our Governor and House Speaker "Gun Nut Patronizers" will consider modifying this politically motivated toxic law.

      What will Georgia's kids growing up under this new "guns in your face public policy" grow up to be? Trigger happy shooters?

  •  Lynnyrd Skynnyrd (2+ / 0-)
    Recommended by:
    Naniboujou, Vetwife

    Well hand guns are made for killin'
    They ain't no good for nothin' else
    And if you like to drink your whiskey
    You might even shoot yourself
    So why don't we dump gun people
    To the bottom of the sea
    Before some ole fool come around here
    Wanna shoot either you or me

    Beats the hell outa anything Ted the pedophile Nuget ever wrote.

    They wrote that song on gun control in, what was it 74? 76?

    Open carry of any weapon is a bad idea and handguns should be outlawed.

    We kidnap. We torture. It's our policy. Embrace it or end it!

    by Mosquito Pilot on Sat Jun 07, 2014 at 05:05:57 AM PDT

    •  and Steve Earle, "Devil's Right Hand" (2+ / 0-)
      Recommended by:
      Mosquito Pilot, Naniboujou

      "Devil's Right Hand"

      About the time that Daddy left to fight the big war
      I saw my first pistol in the general store
      In the general store, when I was thirteen
      I thought it was the finest thing I ever had seen

      So l asked if I could have one someday when I grew up
      Mama dropped a dozen eggs, she really blew up
      She really blew up, and she didn't understand
      Mama said the pistol is the devil's right hand

      The devil's right hand, the devil's right hand
      Mama says the pistol is the devil's right hand

      Me very first pistol was a cap and ball Colt
      Shoots as fast as lightnin' but it loads a mite slow
      It loads a mite slow, and soon I found out
      It'll get you into trouble but it can't get you out

      So about a year later I bought a Colt 45
      Called a peacemaker but I never knew why
      I never knew why, I didn't understand
      Mama says the pistol is the devil's right hand

      The devil's right hand, the devil's right hand
      Mama says the pistol is the devil's right hand

      Got into a card game in a company town
      I caught a miner cheating, I shot the dog down
      I shot the dog down, I watched the man fall
      He never touched his holster, never had a chance to draw

      The trial was in the morning and they drug me out of bed
      Asked me how I pleaded, not guilty I said
      Not guilty I said, you've got the wrong man
      Nothing touched the trigger but the devil's right hand

      The devil's right hand, the devil's right hand
      Mama says the pistol is the devil's right hand

      The devil's right hand, the devil's right hand
      Mama says the pistol is the devil's right hand

  •  Open Carry Texas in Houston TODAY (1+ / 0-)
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    Vetwife

    Here's their email invitation.  Only one attending.  
    Counter demonstration, anyone?

    SATURDAY
    RAILS @ First Saturday Galleria Walk With OCT and CATI
    Houston Metro Libertarian Meetup
    Saturday, June 7, 2014
    10:00 AM
    PP1 (Starbucks on corner of Westheimer and Post Oak)
    2521 Post Oak Blvd
    Houston, TX 77056
    Are you going?
    Yes
    No
    OCT: Houston and CATI- Houston will be joint hosting an Open Carry walk in the Galleria area. So dust off your long guns and pre 1899 Black Powder revolvers. If you don't want to carry, that's fine! Bring a flag or just yourself and come on down!...

    We kidnap. We torture. It's our policy. Embrace it or end it!

    by Mosquito Pilot on Sat Jun 07, 2014 at 05:13:03 AM PDT

  •  The law that didn't go into effect (0+ / 0-)

    when this happened?  The law that doesn't make the actions taken legal?

    That law right?

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