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  •  good morning Phil (15+ / 0-)

    Dropping in to say hi and then have to get busy on today's edition of Hellraisers.

    Have you heard from poli and/or drew?
    Will they be back? Hope so. Sad that they received such an incredible draconian sentence on my account.

    Hey, I was thinking: Now that I'm John McCain, does that mean that John McCain is now a Socialist rank-and-file labor activist?

    Is that good news for John McCain?

    One of my dogs came home from our walk last night covered in stickers, not sticker burrs, thank goodness, but something very sticky all over from head to toe. Then he has to come into my bed and he's the one that has to sleep  next to me. It will be a big job to get all of that off from him today, and he'll probably do the same thing on our walk again tonight.

    Very proud of him tho. He's barely a year old and already has earned his CGC!

    God spare me the Heart to fight them... I'll fight the Pirates forever. -Mother Jones

    by JayRaye on Tue Jun 10, 2014 at 06:34:57 AM PDT

    •  Mornin Jay! I am in touch with them both, (15+ / 0-)

      but they're still deciding how to respond to this latest bizarre admin behavior. I don't know when or if they'll be back; of course, who knows how many of us will be here to greet them if they do return? The writing's on the wall for sure.

      I'm hoping Markos posts an "Ask me anything" soon. I'll ask him if he would be insulted if someone compared him to John McCain.

      As in America, so on DKos. One lawbook for the privileged elite, another for the rest of us.

      by PhilJD on Tue Jun 10, 2014 at 06:40:26 AM PDT

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    •  Good morning Mr. McCain (9+ / 0-)

      I sent you some kosmail.  :-)  

    •  BREAKING!!! (11+ / 0-)

      Poligirl posted a very thoughtful and pointed comment at the Help Desk discussing her warning and the unprecedented year-long NR she's been saddled with. Link. For the record, a private Help Des query went unanswered before poli opted to go public.

      poligirl

      Jun 10, 2014 @ 10:31 AM

      my appeal and making the case that comparing a kossack to John McCain IS an insult.

      privately posted a couple days ago but got no response.

      i have been here for 7 and a half years and have amassed over 13 thousand comments. i have almost always tried to rate the comment and not the commenter. i am not known for wielding my ratings ability carelessly.

      in my time at Dkos, i have gotten 2 warnings: the first for uprating a comment by either ratmach or mehitabel in the diary where they both got banned a while back. i can't remember which one was the one that got dinged for but a bunch of us got dinged for it. the second one was a month or so ago i uprated a comment by LaEscapee who had referred to a few people in that diary, which had a bunch of pretty vile comments in it, as 'dumbasses'. this is my 3rd warning. i have never been TOd or NRd.

      in my lifetime here, i have had only 15 comments draw even any HRs, and have never had a hidden comment. i have done my best to play by the rules over the years. yet i am the recipient of one of the harshest sanctions in the history of the blog: NRd for a year.

      i had several issues with the comment in question that i HRd and i spelled them out in my response to the comment. i understand that perhaps a couple of them could be considered gray areas, but one of the reasons i cited was the direct personal insult to JayRaye in that comment. the commenter compared JayRaye to John McCain.

      now, on a site all about Democrats, comparing a kossack in good standing to a pretty much hated GOPer is exactly a direct personal insult. there's no other way to describe it. i have a hunch that had one of us did that to JoanMar, we would have been roundly HRd, and deservedly so.

      according to kos in this diary last year, http://www.dailykos.com/... this was what was said:

      "1. Inappropriate Hide Rates (HR) and uprates. Our new reporting tools make it easier to track hidden comments and who HR'd them. If we determine that a comment should not have been hidden, those dropping the Hide Ratings will lose their ratings ability for a period of time, progressively longer for each infraction until that ability is removed forever. Uprating personal insults is as bad if not worse than making the insult itself because this rewards the insulters and encourages them to continue the same behavior. Doing so will likewise cost users their ratings privileges for a period, with long penalties for repeat infractions. In baseball, a tie goes to the runner. At Daily Kos, any gray area will be decided in favor of the commenter. So if you're not sure that something should be HR'd, then don't. Because if the situation is that iffy, chances are that it'll be you who gets burned. HRs are for clear and obvious violations."

      several things should be pointed out here.

      "Uprating personal insults is as bad if not worse than making the insult itself because this rewards the insulters and encourages them to continue the same behavior."

      JoanMar directly insulted JayRaye by comparing her to John McCain. that is an insult. period. and i think most of the community would say it was if it was said about them as well.

      "If we determine that a comment should not have been hidden, those dropping the Hide Ratings will lose their ratings ability for a period of time, progressively longer for each infraction until that ability is removed forever."

      since admin's position seems to be that comparing another kossack in good standing to John McCain is NOT an insult, and since is my first ratings ability loss, isn't a year a bit on the punitive side? i think that's pretty much a record, and considering it's my first sanction, i think perhaps admin was reacting out of anger since maybe they like the commenter? cuz that's what it seems like to me.

      it is good to know that you guys don't consider comparing another kossack to John McCain an insult, cuz i'm sure that will free up dialogue for others at Dkos since they won't get dinged for it all. right? cuz if it is an insult, then i am being sanctioned for obeying the rules, which really does not make admin look that good and sows confusion in commenters, since admin doesn't seem to be able to follow their own edicts.

      if comparing a kossack to John McCain IS NOT an insult, then i am appealing the sentence for a first time sanction. if comparing a kossack to John McCain IS an insult, then i have been wrongly sanctioned in the first place and ask that my punishment be removed and the warning be rescinded.

      As in America, so on DKos. One lawbook for the privileged elite, another for the rest of us.

      by PhilJD on Tue Jun 10, 2014 at 08:44:04 AM PDT

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      •  I don't know how comparing (5+ / 0-)

        anyone to John McCain is such an egregious insult yet I see people talking about the right wing Democrats every day. "Right wing Democrats" may be an insult but not one that I'd hr.

        In any case, and for what it's worth, i'd like to join in asking that the sanction be lifted. I don't often agree with either PsychoDrew or Poligirl but I think they both add something positive to the site. PsychoDrew spoke up for me when he could have just walked on by. He was kind and considerate that day and I never forget a kindness.
        I am upset about the disrespect and contempt being shown a respected member of this community,  but outside of that, I bear no ill will toward those two. I don't think the sanction has much to do with me...I was just in that space at that time.

        Cosign Poligirl's request.

        Maya Angelou: “There's a world of difference between truth and facts. Facts can obscure truth.”

        by JoanMar on Tue Jun 10, 2014 at 10:19:06 AM PDT

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        •  Joan-- I don't think it's a particularly awful (5+ / 0-)

          insult. I never HR stuff like that... but then, I don't usually HR much of anything. I'd rather make my points in a comment. If I made the rules, I'd allow ALL "insults" that aren't homophobic, racist, sexist, stuff like that. Who cares if someone says "You're a poopyhead!" to another Kossack. We're all grownups... more or less anyway.

          That's not the point though. If you had been sanctioned for making that post, I'd have a problem with that too and I would speak out in your defense. Comparing a good progressive to John McCain is unquestionably an insult; how can anyone dispute that? The FAQs are clear that ALL insults are HRable. They don't say that the insult needs to be "egregious." They make no distinction at all between "degrees" of insults. I'm just as happy that your post wasn't hidden, but no one should be sanctioned for following the rules as written and deciding to hide your comment.

          In particular, the bizarre and unprecedented ONE-YEAR NR given poligirl for acting properly within the rules should disturb everyone, whatever "side" they're on, because it can only be seen as vindictive. If DKos admin can on a whim impose a penalty like that on poligirl, they can do it to you or your friends as well.

          As in America, so on DKos. One lawbook for the privileged elite, another for the rest of us.

          by PhilJD on Tue Jun 10, 2014 at 10:34:09 AM PDT

          [ Parent ]

          •  I was shocked when I heard of (3+ / 0-)
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            P Carey, PhilJD, freakofsociety

            the one year sanction.
            I do think that we are far too eager to hr others. I use the privilege of the hr for obvious trolls and really egregious comments. I think we devalue the hr when it's applied to punish someone, or used as an organizing tool to get a member banned. During this whole debacle I don't know that I have hr'd anyone from your side of the divide. (Someone will correct me if i'm wrong.) And if I did, it would have been for a really disgusting comment.
            I am not threatened by competing ideas and I actually love vigorous debates.
            But again, even as I recognize that this wasn't really about me, I ask that the admin reconsider this sanction against both psychodrew and poligirl. A year is an awfully long time.
            And I do like that poligirl put forward her request in a professional and respectful manner. That should count for something.

            Maya Angelou: “There's a world of difference between truth and facts. Facts can obscure truth.”

            by JoanMar on Tue Jun 10, 2014 at 10:48:24 AM PDT

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            •  PS, Joan, I was one of the first women (2+ / 0-)
              Recommended by:
              PhilJD, JVolvo

              ever to be a member of IUOE Local 49, and, trust me, you are a rank amateur when it comes to handing out insults. Those guys were the experts.

              God spare me the Heart to fight them... I'll fight the Pirates forever. -Mother Jones

              by JayRaye on Tue Jun 10, 2014 at 11:25:57 AM PDT

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            •  I agree that a year is an awfully long time (2+ / 0-)
              Recommended by:
              JoanMar, freakofsociety

              but I doubt that it's based solely on single uprate. If being compared to John McCain were the worst insult I'd seen here, I'd think I'd stumbled into a utopia compared to the reality.

              Has anyone been NR'ed for this length of time before? It looks very much like a final warning before banning. At least that's the way I'd take it. If I were going to speculate, I'd guess that some folks wanted to ban them both outright but others thought 5 bannings two too many.

              While I can understand that 2 warnings and 15 HR's may seem piddling to some folks, I also understand that kossacks that haven't ever received a single warning or hr could well take a different view.

              Obviously Poli has a number of vocal supporters who think she makes a positive contribution. I can't count myself among them since I'd say 99.9% of her interactions with me were net negative.

              Nevertheless, it wouldn't bother me a bit to see her NR lifted.

              That's not likely to happen though, if she keeps publicly posting items like the above to the help desk or if others then repost them to the site.

              Nothing human is alien to me.

              by WB Reeves on Tue Jun 10, 2014 at 12:08:14 PM PDT

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              •  99.9% net negative = you didn't win the argument. (2+ / 0-)
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                JayRaye, SpecialKinFlag

                Here's all of her comments to you in the last year.

                Perhaps you can point out which ones hurt your feelings the most for us?

                When you're done with that, perhaps you can pick out the comments of yours, to her, in the last year, that were something other than you being obtuse or whining about "bile" that consisted of nothing more than her saying you were going to "stick to nitpicking and sophistry."

                But kudos to you for acknowledging that a year-long NR is too much, as you suggest that it was done because it was a "final warning before banning."

                Unfortunately, however, your comment was itself a "net negative."

                Thanks anyways, though.




                Somebody has to do something, and it's just incredibly pathetic that it has to be us. ~ Garcia

                by DeadHead on Tue Jun 10, 2014 at 01:05:15 PM PDT

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                •  You actually take time to keep track this stuff? (2+ / 0-)
                  Recommended by:
                  freakofsociety, JoanMar

                  I don't know which is sadder, that you have nothing better to do or that you think you're "proving" something by wasting your time this way.

                  I consider these interactions overwhelmingly negative. That you may disagree is irrelevant. As is your opinion of who "won" or "lost", since no one, except perhaps your self, appointed you the arbiter of such things.

                  I would note though, that this is dragging in old business from other threads with a vengeance. Bad idea.

                  Nothing human is alien to me.

                  by WB Reeves on Tue Jun 10, 2014 at 02:37:39 PM PDT

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                  •  If by "taking the time to keep track" ... (1+ / 0-)
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                    SpecialKinFlag

                    you mean the two minutes, tops, that it took to do a site search, then I guess you'd be right.

                    By any reasonable standard, however, no. Seeing your comment and responding to it by way of a function available to all users, is not "keeping track," nor is it "dragging in old business" by the definition you're trying to apply.

                    Those links are not to comments in which you and I were "fighting," but instead to one comment and two searches that produce comments made by two people, both of whom are not me, for the purpose of allowing you to easily demonstrate your characterization of those exchanges are correct, if in fact that's the case.

                    Instead of doing that, you imply that my doing so is somehow a violation of a rule that, as it turns out, doesn't even remotely apply to my comment.




                    Somebody has to do something, and it's just incredibly pathetic that it has to be us. ~ Garcia

                    by DeadHead on Tue Jun 10, 2014 at 03:20:48 PM PDT

                    [ Parent ]

                    •  What in the world are you going on about? (0+ / 0-)

                      I never suggested those were your comments. Where are you getting that from?

                      You've posted links from a series of exchanges between myself and Poli on topics unrelated to anything in this diary or this thread. Looks like dragging in old business from other threads to me but that's just my opinion.

                      Nothing human is alien to me.

                      by WB Reeves on Tue Jun 10, 2014 at 03:28:33 PM PDT

                      [ Parent ]

                      •  I know you didn't... (0+ / 0-)

                        And I never suggested that you suggested they were mine.

                        The "dragging in old arguments" rule usually, but not always, applies to someone who's trying to continue an argument they were involved in themselves into a another, unrelated diary.

                        You were implying that I was doing something along those lines, when in actuality, those links are very much relevant to the comment of yours I posted them in reply to, and didn't involve me, which I was noting for the record.

                        I can already see where this is headed, into dozens of comments wherein you find more comments of mine to misread, so I'll just wish you a pleasant evening.




                        Somebody has to do something, and it's just incredibly pathetic that it has to be us. ~ Garcia

                        by DeadHead on Tue Jun 10, 2014 at 06:02:49 PM PDT

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                        •  Pathetic (0+ / 0-)
                          Those links are not to comments in which you and I were "fighting," but instead to one comment and two searches that produce comments made by two people, both of whom are not me, for the purpose of allowing you to easily demonstrate your characterization of those exchanges are correct, if in fact that's the case.
                          You clearly thought, or pretended to think, that someone was suggesting they were yours, otherwise you'd have no reason to emphasize twice that they were not. As usual you're in full flight from the facts since they don't support you.

                          Nothing human is alien to me.

                          by WB Reeves on Tue Jun 10, 2014 at 11:50:37 PM PDT

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                    •  BTW, if it only took "two minutes tops", (0+ / 0-)

                      you obviously didn't take time to actually read any of them.

                      Which means they don't represent actual research, only an attempt to give the appearance of such.

                      Which means that your blanket opinions about them aren't based on anything other than personal bias.

                      Nothing human is alien to me.

                      by WB Reeves on Tue Jun 10, 2014 at 03:42:55 PM PDT

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                      •  Did I assert something as if... (0+ / 0-)

                        I had read them?

                        I don't believe I did.

                        I presented them for you help you back up your characterization of your exchanges with her, or for the benefit of anyone else who wanted to verify the nature of those exchanges.

                        You decline, I take it.




                        Somebody has to do something, and it's just incredibly pathetic that it has to be us. ~ Garcia

                        by DeadHead on Tue Jun 10, 2014 at 06:07:10 PM PDT

                        [ Parent ]

                        •  Oh but you did assert that (0+ / 0-)
                          99.9% net negative = you didn't win the argument. (2+ / 0-)

                          Here's all of her comments to you in the last year.

                          Perhaps you can point out which ones hurt your feelings the most for us?

                          So if linking to the comments wasn't supposed to prove your claim, why did you preface them with that claim? Were you just hoping that no one was paying attention? Or do you really not understand what you were doing?

                          The latter would be a good example of incoherence and the most charitable explanation.

                          Are you really going to claim that the interactions between Poli and myself weren't overwhelmingly of a negative character? The kindest the descriptive for that would be goofy.

                          Nothing human is alien to me.

                          by WB Reeves on Wed Jun 11, 2014 at 12:04:33 AM PDT

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                  •  DeadHead, somehow, and I give him or her (1+ / 0-)
                    Recommended by:
                    SpecialKinFlag

                    credit for it has mastered the DKos search function... which many others have been unable to do.

                    He or she deserves some kudos for that, don't you think.

                    I love statistics.  I love someone being able to back up with stats and proof what they're saying.  Don't you?

                    Dallasdoc: "Snowden is the natural successor to Osama bin Laden as the most consequential person in the world, as his actions have the potential to undo those taken in response to Osama."

                    by gooderservice on Tue Jun 10, 2014 at 03:39:50 PM PDT

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                    •  Except, since he/she didn't bother to read them, (0+ / 0-)

                      he/she hasn't a clue what they might prove or not prove.

                      This brings to mind the old adage: "There's lies, damn lies and statistics."

                      Nothing human is alien to me.

                      by WB Reeves on Tue Jun 10, 2014 at 03:58:58 PM PDT

                      [ Parent ]

                      •  Well, I'm grateful that they're there for all (1+ / 0-)
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                        SpecialKinFlag

                        to read.  It makes it easier, actually the right thing to do for people to make up their own minds, don't you think?

                        Dallasdoc: "Snowden is the natural successor to Osama bin Laden as the most consequential person in the world, as his actions have the potential to undo those taken in response to Osama."

                        by gooderservice on Tue Jun 10, 2014 at 04:27:32 PM PDT

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                        •  I have no problem with people reading them (1+ / 0-)
                          Recommended by:
                          freakofsociety

                          I do think there's a problem with characterizing things that you haven't actually read and claiming that they prove your point when you couldn't possibly know such a thing. Are you of a different opinion?

                          Need I add that such a tactic seems predicated on the assumption that most people won't bother wading  through reams of dead threads?

                          Indeed, why should they? Suppose someone did and decided, contrary to my own view, that everything had actually been sweetness and light, rather than 99.9% negative, in the interaction between myself and Poli. What do you imagine that would prove? That I was exaggerating the level of hostility between us? For what purpose? To strengthen my suggestion that her NR be lifted by pretending to be someone whose personal bias would argue the opposite?

                          I don't really think it's a line of inquiry that matters much but anyone who wants to fritter away their time on it can.

                          Nothing human is alien to me.

                          by WB Reeves on Tue Jun 10, 2014 at 04:57:18 PM PDT

                          [ Parent ]

                          •  Nope, that's their problem. (2+ / 0-)
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                            SpecialKinFlag, DeadHead
                            Need I add that such a tactic seems predicated on the assumption that most people won't bother wading  through reams of dead threads?
                            That I don't care about.  If no one wants to take the time, that's on them, not me.  

                            Dallasdoc: "Snowden is the natural successor to Osama bin Laden as the most consequential person in the world, as his actions have the potential to undo those taken in response to Osama."

                            by gooderservice on Tue Jun 10, 2014 at 05:28:02 PM PDT

                            [ Parent ]

                          •  Noted that you dodged the first question entirely. (0+ / 0-)

                            Wonder why?

                            Nothing human is alien to me.

                            by WB Reeves on Tue Jun 10, 2014 at 05:34:49 PM PDT

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                      •  I'm a he, and I don't need to... (0+ / 0-)

                        I merely offered them up for others to evaluate, or for you to point out the problems, because you're in here making hyperbolic claims of "99.9% our interactions have been a net negative," or whatever it it is you said.

                        That's your opinion, and you have a right to it, but when you use it to detract from a person who, in the very same comment, you acknowledge has received too harsh a punishment, then it's my responsibilty as her friend, in her absence, to help others judge for themselves, rather than leaving your aspersions sitting unanswered.




                        Somebody has to do something, and it's just incredibly pathetic that it has to be us. ~ Garcia

                        by DeadHead on Tue Jun 10, 2014 at 05:51:39 PM PDT

                        [ Parent ]

                        •  Hardly a surprise that you're uncertain of what I (0+ / 0-)

                          actually said.

                          Of course, it is completely in character that you wouldn't let such uncertainty give you a moments pause. No, you  just plow ahead as usual with assertions based on nothing but your own prejudice. In this instance the tortured suggestion that by being frank about the hostility between myself and Poli I'm taking a slap at her.

                          Your bias is blinding.

                          At this point continuing to engage with you on this topic strikes me as needless cruelty. So I'm out. You can have the final shot if you feel compelled to take it.

                          Nothing human is alien to me.

                          by WB Reeves on Wed Jun 11, 2014 at 12:23:36 AM PDT

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                •  Do you realize they are trying to help (1+ / 0-)
                  Recommended by:
                  WB Reeves

                  the situation?

                  Obama is the most progressive president in my lifetime.

                  by freakofsociety on Tue Jun 10, 2014 at 02:51:33 PM PDT

                  [ Parent ]

                  •  I don't think he does (0+ / 0-)

                    but I could be wrong.

                    Nothing human is alien to me.

                    by WB Reeves on Tue Jun 10, 2014 at 03:29:26 PM PDT

                    [ Parent ]

                  •  I don't know who "they" are... (0+ / 0-)

                    My comment applies only to one person, WB Reeves.

                    But no, a comment that mostly implies "you suck and they probably wanted to ban you but didn't, but a year NR is too long," doesn't strike me as helpful.

                    He could've left out the other nonsense and just said something like, "while poligirl and I don't see eye-to-eye on things, a year seems grossly disproportionate to the offense."

                    I would've tipped and thanked him for saying that, had he gone that route.

                    For the record, I would say something similar on your behalf, had yours been for a year, instead of the one week that it was.

                    In fact, I'll say it now, even though it's not necessary:

                    You and I don't get along all that well, but I would never endorse you being first-time NR'd for 52 weeks over one HR or a bad uprate.  




                    Somebody has to do something, and it's just incredibly pathetic that it has to be us. ~ Garcia

                    by DeadHead on Tue Jun 10, 2014 at 03:37:19 PM PDT

                    [ Parent ]

                    •  To be perfectly blunt, whether you choose to t&r (1+ / 0-)
                      Recommended by:
                      freakofsociety

                      or not is matter of complete indifference to me. I wasn't writing to coddle your prejudices but to share my opinion with JoanMar. You don't have to like it.

                      Injecting yourself into that exchange, with transparently phony argument and personal invective is something different.

                      Nothing human is alien to me.

                      by WB Reeves on Tue Jun 10, 2014 at 04:09:16 PM PDT

                      [ Parent ]

                      •  Tipping your comments... (0+ / 0-)

                        Isn't a priority for me, either. I just mentioned it because that's how I would've shown my endorsement of that comment, had you made it.

                        You came in here to share your "opinion with JoanMar," and I chose to respond to the parts of that "opinion" that I took issue with. That doesn't make my "argument transparently phony," nor does create "personal invective" where there isn't any.

                        If you are so incredibly thin-skinned as to label even the most mild sarcasm as "invective" or the most mild of criticism as "bile," then the problem lies with you, not me.  




                        Somebody has to do something, and it's just incredibly pathetic that it has to be us. ~ Garcia

                        by DeadHead on Tue Jun 10, 2014 at 06:27:04 PM PDT

                        [ Parent ]

                        •  Your argument is transparently phony both in (0+ / 0-)

                          its own incoherence and in the inadvertently revealing comments you made.

                          I've pointed this out elsewhere in the thread. You've made no reply so I won't bother to repost here.

                          Nothing human is alien to me.

                          by WB Reeves on Tue Jun 10, 2014 at 07:33:40 PM PDT

                          [ Parent ]

                          •  You've demonstrated no such thing. (0+ / 0-)

                            You are, however, playing games.

                            Your simply declaring my argument as incoherent and my comments as "inadvertently revealing" don't make either true, just because you say so.

                            Congratulations on accomplishing yet another successful evasion.

                            Bye.




                            Somebody has to do something, and it's just incredibly pathetic that it has to be us. ~ Garcia

                            by DeadHead on Tue Jun 10, 2014 at 10:23:18 PM PDT

                            [ Parent ]

                          •  What a fraud (0+ / 0-)

                            You didn't even bother to read the comments you linked to but that didn't stop you from presenting them as "proof" of your claims. That says all that needs to be said. Playing the ostrich isn't fooling anyone but yourself.

                            Go play your con games on the credulous.

                            Nothing human is alien to me.

                            by WB Reeves on Tue Jun 10, 2014 at 11:37:09 PM PDT

                            [ Parent ]

                    •  They aren't either (1+ / 0-)
                      Recommended by:
                      WB Reeves

                      KJ and wb are saying they don't agree with it. And you instead chose to be rude to WBR about it which was a bit ridiculous. I don't know why you did that.

                      Your friends should call you out on the carpet but you never get called out on the carpet for anything.

                      Obama is the most progressive president in my lifetime.

                      by freakofsociety on Tue Jun 10, 2014 at 05:32:54 PM PDT

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                      •  Um... (0+ / 0-)

                        There is no "kj" in this thread. Please read more closely before commenting.

                        Now, here's the text-only version of my supposedly "rude comment," again, for your convenience:

                        99.9% net negative = you didn't win the argument.

                        Here's all of her comments to you in the last year.

                        Perhaps you can point out which ones hurt your feelings the most for us?

                        When you're done with that, perhaps you can pick out the comments of yours, to her, in the last year, that were something other than you being obtuse or whining about "bile" that consisted of nothing more than her saying you were going to "stick to nitpicking and sophistry."

                        But kudos to you for acknowledging that a year-long NR is too much, as you suggest that it was done because it was a "final warning before banning."

                        Unfortunately, however, your comment was itself a "net negative."

                        Thanks anyways, though.

                        Please point out what you consider "rude" enough to have these "friends" of mine, who aren't even here in this dead thread, hold me accountable for.

                        Was it the "hurt your feelings" part? The "whining" part? The "obtuse" part?

                        If so, paper-thin skin doesn't hold up very well on political blogs.




                        Somebody has to do something, and it's just incredibly pathetic that it has to be us. ~ Garcia

                        by DeadHead on Tue Jun 10, 2014 at 06:35:29 PM PDT

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          •  I doubt it was for acting properly within rules. (1+ / 0-)
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            On the Helpdesk. poligirl repeated the execrable insults that got ek hornbeck and TheMomCat banned. I'm pretty sure it didn't go unnoticed.

            The thread where she did this has been deleted -- as was the thread were ek hornbeck actually threatened women ("Are you afraid of me? You should be.") and a few other horrible things that were said, but as with most of this entire sad, sorry affair, the narrative and the reality are pretty far apart.

            "Much of movement conservatism is a con and the base is the marks." -- Chris Hayes

            by raptavio on Tue Jun 10, 2014 at 02:43:40 PM PDT

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            •  Nonsense. (0+ / 0-)

              She did no such thing. You're dishonestly misrepresenting what she actually said and the context in which she said it.

              Apparently it never occurred to you that some people had the presence of mind to actually, you know, save the text of those threads, did it?

              As it stands, the burden of proof is on you. Otherwise, you're just in here to help malign her because you've got a grudge to nurse.

              If sanctions were applied onsite in response to what gets said in helpdesk threads, a lot of people would be NR'd or banned right now.

              As an aside, I find it interesting to see the same folks always manage to show up in certain helpdesk threads to help minimize or otherwise cast doubt on the merits of complaints made by people they don't like.

              That's not my idea of "helpful." Rather, it's the activity of people who have nothing better to do than engage in the same petty sniping they rail against when it happens onsite.




              Somebody has to do something, and it's just incredibly pathetic that it has to be us. ~ Garcia

              by DeadHead on Tue Jun 10, 2014 at 04:39:39 PM PDT

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        •  Sorry Joan, in my haste to post I forgot to say (5+ / 0-)

          thanks for requesting that the sanctions be lifted. That was gracious of you, and of course I intended to include that.

          As in America, so on DKos. One lawbook for the privileged elite, another for the rest of us.

          by PhilJD on Tue Jun 10, 2014 at 10:37:22 AM PDT

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        •  And we were (4+ / 0-)

          "upset about the disrespect and contempt" shown to our friend, but I guess that doesn't matter to you.

          And, by the way, confronting someone on their abusive behavior is neither "disrespect" nor "contempt."

          But some folks think that they and their friends are beyond reproach no matter what they do, even when the one so abused was in a vulnerable state at the time that the abuse was dished out.

          The one year NR is ridiculous. There is no reasonable explanation for it. It is meant to send a message that we on the left wing of the Democratic Party are not welcome here.

          Perhaps it's time that all us who are left of the center of the Democratic Party began to think about taking the strong hints that are being dished out.

          Like Kos says, it's a big internet.

          God spare me the Heart to fight them... I'll fight the Pirates forever. -Mother Jones

          by JayRaye on Tue Jun 10, 2014 at 11:16:59 AM PDT

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          •  I saw someone ask earlier today the definition (1+ / 0-)
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            of a liberal Democrat.

            I think the answer is pretty easy:  If you were against George W. Bush's policies, and Obama does the same thing or worse, and you disapprove, you're a liberal.

            Dallasdoc: "Snowden is the natural successor to Osama bin Laden as the most consequential person in the world, as his actions have the potential to undo those taken in response to Osama."

            by gooderservice on Tue Jun 10, 2014 at 03:42:50 PM PDT

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        •  Me, too. And I'm talking about triv33 (1+ / 0-)
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          I am upset about the disrespect and contempt being shown a respected member of this community,

          Dallasdoc: "Snowden is the natural successor to Osama bin Laden as the most consequential person in the world, as his actions have the potential to undo those taken in response to Osama."

          by gooderservice on Tue Jun 10, 2014 at 03:37:31 PM PDT

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      •  I clicked the link you provided. (1+ / 0-)
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        Poof, it's gone.  

        Dallasdoc: "Snowden is the natural successor to Osama bin Laden as the most consequential person in the world, as his actions have the potential to undo those taken in response to Osama."

        by gooderservice on Tue Jun 10, 2014 at 03:37:51 PM PDT

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  •  I see angel d had their "NR" removed... (17+ / 0-)

    ...now, what about poligirl and psychodrew?

    "I always thought if you worked hard enough and tried hard enough, things would work out. I was wrong." --Katharine Graham

    by bobswern on Tue Jun 10, 2014 at 06:36:00 AM PDT

  •  Morning tune (14+ / 0-)

    Buy yourself some real red blooded fun edition.

    "The good Earth — we could have saved it, but we were too damn cheap and lazy." Kurt Vonnegut - "A Man Without a Country", 2005.

    by BOHICA on Tue Jun 10, 2014 at 06:57:04 AM PDT

  •  I'm back (14+ / 0-)

    from the NR Gulag. ;)

    So my tips, you haz them! Of course it seems like there are fewer and fewer people to tip as of late. :( I feel like Beverly Crusher in the TNG episode where Wesley creates a warp bubble that she gets trapped in and in her perception people slowly disappear as the bubble shrinks. Except it's not perception in this case.

    ((((((((Triv))))))))))

    "Been made accomplice to all that I promised I would never fucking be!" Propaghandi

    by Yang Guang on Tue Jun 10, 2014 at 07:41:51 AM PDT

  •  Morning fringie lefties! The rain we have received (12+ / 0-)

    in the past few days has resulted in lots of new fruit on my tomato plants. Oh happy day!!

    "A nation of sheep will beget a government of wolves." Edward R. Murrow

    by temptxan on Tue Jun 10, 2014 at 08:03:30 AM PDT

  •  LaEscapee (6+ / 0-)

      was kind enough to recently explain where the "pie" fight originated on this site as I an admitted dense ditz as long as I've been here (2011) couldn't wrap my mind around. 1st thought cute, harmless. 2nd thought, is it cute? Is it harmless?
       Analogy, if I may.
       Karen from Maui has been a member since 2006, she has recently been writing diaries about Maui Hawai'is successful 1st time ever in their cumbersome for any initiative process, qualifying a non gmo initiative, MOST important to stop 240 days a year spraying in their EXperimental fields next to homes and people, for this Nov.'s ballot.
       When I first started reading Karen's posts, if memory serves me kos and another staffer commented in one of her diaries like she was one of the girls in the Gilligans Island spoof. It made me suspect of Karen, as the implication was she was not genuine, which I now understand, she is TOTALLY GENUINE, as I was mislead.
       If that helps...
       I tried to comprehend by taking a glimpse of the controversy (huh?)
       poligirl, psychodrew and sooo many other simple common sense liberal Democrats?
       How to wipe the slate clean? We can either do a onsite petition (might as well make it easy on them with a list) or contact Markos wife with we are sick of the construct of pie fights that turn into "No pie for you."
         

    March AGAINST monsatanOHagentorange 3/25/13 a time warp

    by 3rock on Tue Jun 10, 2014 at 08:04:05 AM PDT

    •  I'm not clear on your comment (5+ / 0-)
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      did you mean to write "Maros wife" or was it a typo?

      :-)

      •  I'm so ditzy (2+ / 0-)
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         The sites owner name is Markos? I thought about it after posting I should have written Markos's or Markos' (got straight A's in math, art, social studies, flunked English. How I write I do not know?)
           Anyway Netroots is approaching and people could say to his wife, enough of "Gilligan's' Island" It's not that I think it's bad as image but that it's the base of a construct of communication on this site is not constructive. Kinda like leaving the cupboard door open, when there's an ogre rat problem. This whole "episode" is WAY proof of that. IMHO.

        March AGAINST monsatanOHagentorange 3/25/13 a time warp

        by 3rock on Tue Jun 10, 2014 at 09:28:54 AM PDT

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  •  El Morningo. (11+ / 0-)

    "Fragmented and confused, we have no plan to combat any of this, but are looking to be saved by the very architects of our ruination."

    by BigAlinWashSt on Tue Jun 10, 2014 at 08:35:39 AM PDT

  •  Good morning all... (11+ / 0-)

    The most un-convincable man is the one whose paycheck depends on remaining unconvinced. -- H. L. Mencken

    by kharma on Tue Jun 10, 2014 at 08:40:01 AM PDT

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