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Hillary Clinton did something bad

So did Barack Obama

So did Al Gore

So did Bill Clinton

So did Jimmy Carter

So did LBJ (oh boy!)

So did JFK

So did HST

So did FDR...

well you get the point. But they all also did some good things. And they all are/were better than the Republican options. Period.

So you know what? I will support the candidate I think is best in the primary, when it really starts. And then I will support the Dem over the GReedy Oil Party candidate because I have NEVER seen a presidential election where the Repub was better than the Dem.

So why don't we pay attention to 2014 rather than start the 2016 circular firing squad early and drop the ball on the 2014 elections?

See below the Hillary Clinton hating orange squiggle for what we really should be paying attention to now rather than care about 2016.

The 2014 elections are 6 months away. I personally don't care about 2016 until we have passed THIS critical election.

We all know it's going to be close, though Dems are starting to poll better. If we want the next 2 years to be anything CLOSE to progressive, we need to focus now on winning in November.
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Which Republican would you rather have as President over Hillary Clinton?

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  •  please, not Hilary. PLEASE! (1+ / 0-)
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    Johnny Q

    What we call god is merely a living creature with superior technology & understanding. If their fragile egos demand prayer, they lose that superiority.

    by agnostic on Sat Jun 14, 2014 at 09:11:05 AM PDT

  •  it's going to be a very long (21+ / 0-)

    2 1/2 years.

    The cold passion for truth hunts in no pack. -Robinson Jeffers

    by Laurence Lewis on Sat Jun 14, 2014 at 09:26:35 AM PDT

    •  Yeah. Is it just me, or has the Hilary (10+ / 0-)

      Hating started a couple years earlier than even the Barack Hating we've had to endure?

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      by jan4insight on Sat Jun 14, 2014 at 09:39:11 AM PDT

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      •  Hillary Clinton hating (14+ / 0-)

        Hillary Clinton haters have had more practice.

        I am not a real fan of Hillary...but then again I don't see her as any better or worse than most Democrats. That is a criticism of the party AND the voters. But just about ANY Democrat is better than just about ANY Republican.

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        by mole333 on Sat Jun 14, 2014 at 09:43:16 AM PDT

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        •  They actually started hating on Hillary (6+ / 0-)

          a couple of decades ago and never stopped.  They just got distracted when that black guy won the White House.  They'll be able to direct their whole cadre of Flying Monkeys at Hillary once they get rid of Obama -  you know, when his second term ends but I'm sure they'll find a way to claim they scared him off before he could cement his plan to become Dictator for Life. /snark

          I know this isn't about 2016 yet but it seems relevant to the discussion.

          Hillary is my favored candidate right now only because I don't think there is another Democrat on the horizon with the backing, fundraising capabilities, experience, name recognition, etc. that she brings.

          I would like to see some strong Dem contenders, though, because no one ever deserves to be anointed.  And Establishment Dems like Hillary and Obama are too complicit when it comes to business as usual, corporate power, too big to fail, the trickle down economics tripe, compromising on social justice issues and hawkish policies that keep our defense budget obscenely bloated even if we are trying to wind down the wars and not start any new ones.  Given the events of the past 5+ years in particular, the time is absolutely ripe for the ascendance of left-leaning economic populism of the sort that Elizabeth Warren and Bernie Sanders espouse.

          That said, there's so much damage being done at the state level to women, working people, minorities and general democratic principles that winning in 2016 will be meaningless if we don't massively change the balance of power in the states in 2014.

          I was working on the proof of one of my poems all the morning, and took out a comma. In the afternoon I put it back again. - Oscar Wilde

          by penelope pnortney on Sat Jun 14, 2014 at 10:56:21 AM PDT

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      •  it won't be as bad as 2008 (4+ / 0-)
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        jan4insight, puckmtl, FiredUpInCA, FG

        because there won't be three credible candidates, each with passionate supporters, but i didn't expect the desperation for a credible liberal anti-hillary to ramp up for another year or so. and the often suggested alternatives are ridiculous, at this point.

        The cold passion for truth hunts in no pack. -Robinson Jeffers

        by Laurence Lewis on Sat Jun 14, 2014 at 09:45:17 AM PDT

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      •  The Hiliary Hating is pure gold venom (10+ / 0-)

        with the Repubs, especially in the rural hinterland (here, in Blue Oregon) I remember from the 2008 campaign.  Their heads were EXPLODING with hate.  

        But here, today, the Hilary hating by us Kos peoples is VERY strong in several diaries.  Whew.  

        "She's not perfect, she's not pure."  Yikes.  Get out the knives, and cut ourselves some more...(to ease the pain, I guess).

        the dog you have, is the dog you need. - Cesar Millan

        by OregonWetDog on Sat Jun 14, 2014 at 10:22:20 AM PDT

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        •  Not perfect or pure (0+ / 0-)

          yeah, a "Democrat" who takes a 6-figure payday from Wall Street bankers and then tells them that they aren't the problem, it's those lazy young kids who are the problem, yeah, she isn't pure.

          Any "Democrat" who sits on the WalMart executive board - isn't pure.

          Any "Democrat" who voted for AUMF Iraq - very fucking far from pure.

          Any "Democrat" who whines about how FOX NEWS IS THE ONLY CHANNEL GIVING A FAIR ACCOUNT OF THE DEMOCRATIC PRIMARY - not a drop of purity there.

          My problem with Hillary isn't that she isn't prure - it's that in any other decade, she would be a Republican.

          And to answer the poll, I'm not at all sure that one term of President Christie followed by two terms of a real Democrat wouldn't have us all much better off in the long term.

          "Against the assault of laughter, nothing can stand." - Mark Twain

          by GrimReefa on Thu Jun 19, 2014 at 06:57:09 AM PDT

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      •  I don't think it ever ended here. But it has (7+ / 0-)

        gotten really ridiculous in the purple language and unlevened HATRED. It feels almost pathologic to me, not reasonable disagreement over a vote or policy decisions. It sounds more like what I hear from RW radio in its rancor. What is that really about?

        Okay, the Government says you MUST abort your child. NOW do you get it?

        by Catskill Julie on Sat Jun 14, 2014 at 10:29:49 AM PDT

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        •  Unlevened hatred... (4+ / 0-)

          I guess that would be kosher for Passover ; - )

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          by mole333 on Sat Jun 14, 2014 at 10:36:54 AM PDT

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        •  Look (1+ / 0-)
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          Johnny Q

          We think she will throw the world into another catastrophic war.

          That is a damn good reason to have strong negative feelings about her.

          •  Well then, I think you're deluded in your opinion. (6+ / 0-)

            I don't think there is much evidence that Hillary would be likely to use military force recklessly. In fact, I think she's likely to use more soft power than we have been able to recently.

            Would you say that FDR "threw us into a catastrophic war?" Events happen and sometimes the person in the office has to deal with realities they never expected and certainly did not want.

            I think Obama has generally done as well as he could, although I am VERY uncomfortable with the expansion of the national security state and stepping up the use of drones so much. Too many Bush programs have been continued for my comfort.

            And, finally, it was the BUSH ADMINISTRATION that got us into Iraq. Not Hillary Clinton.

            Okay, the Government says you MUST abort your child. NOW do you get it?

            by Catskill Julie on Sat Jun 14, 2014 at 10:51:24 AM PDT

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            •  All the evidence of her term as SOS disagrees (2+ / 0-)
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              Portlaw, Johnny Q

              She has been consistently hawkish, always keen to see American military power thrown into Iran, Syria, Libya, you name it. It is crystal clear that Obama has declined to go along with her militaristic preferences. If she was handed the power to make the final decision, there is every reason to believe she would embroil the world in another misadventure.

        •  We get it, you think Hillary critique is misogyny. (2+ / 0-)
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          Portlaw, Johnny Q

          You state that contention over and over and over.

          What is strange is that you seem unable or unwilling to accept that many left-wing people might not look to kindly on a candidate who has spent decades promoting extreme neo-liberal pro-1% economic policies and who, further, when given the great power of a New York Senate seat from which to challenge the most disastrous far-right-wing corrupt and lying war-mongering administration in decades...simply evaporated and voted FOR THE WAR.

          It's really not difficult to understand. And it has nothing at all to do with misogyny. Any man who devoted a lifetime to serving the 1% and who had voted for the Bush Iraq War would face the exact same reaction.

          •  No, I did not call it misogyny. You may be think- (4+ / 0-)

            ing of someone else.

            I am shocked and disturbed by the slathering, rancorous, over-the-top and actually unhinged language written about Hillary on DK in the last couple of days, such as:

            "bloodthirst"
            "blood on her hands"
            "warmonger"
            "war-lusting Neocon"
            "hawkish neo-con agenda"
            "war mongering bent"
            "amoral"
            "voted for a war crime"
            "guilty of crimes against humanity" (really?)
            "politicking in blood"
            "Utterly dishonest"
            "rabid Democratic Party imperialist"
            "will throw the world into another catastrophic war"
            "unqualified to be commander and chief"
            etc.

            That strikes me more as the unreasoning hatred I hear from RC conservative talk radio, having little to do with Clinton's actual policies and behavior. Really.

            (I could have listed on and on but got tired of reading the disgusting tripe.)

            Okay, the Government says you MUST abort your child. NOW do you get it?

            by Catskill Julie on Sat Jun 14, 2014 at 12:28:30 PM PDT

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            •  Hillary voted for the Iraq War. (2+ / 0-)
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              PatriciaVa, Johnny Q

              As SOS she pushed for war in Syria.

              What's wrong with criticizing her war record?

              The terms you cite are mild in comparison to what the left leveled at Bush, Cheney, Rumsfeld and company.

              So I'm curious, if you do not feel critique of Hillary springs from misogyny, then what "HATRED" is it coming from that you claim is so "pathological"?

              •  As I said, I don't know whence this bitter and (3+ / 0-)
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                mole333, Radiowalla, kkkkate

                unreasoning HATRED. (You think those epithets above mild? hmmm.)

                Maybe you are right. Maybe (some of) it springs from a deep and unreasoning mistrust of a powerful woman. I don't know, but I wouldn't be surprised. It's really for the haters to perform that introspection. Not my job.

                Okay, the Government says you MUST abort your child. NOW do you get it?

                by Catskill Julie on Sat Jun 14, 2014 at 12:47:14 PM PDT

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                •  A war supporter is criticized for supporting war. (0+ / 0-)

                  That's just normal political discourse.

                  Many people are deeply opposed to war, particularly the recent American adventures in the Middle East. So the vehemence of their rhetoric stems from their deeply held beliefs.

                  That's just not evidence of "pathological" Hillary "HATRED".

                  •  The language I quoted is not "criticism." (2+ / 0-)
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                    Radiowalla, kkkkate

                    bye now.

                    Okay, the Government says you MUST abort your child. NOW do you get it?

                    by Catskill Julie on Sat Jun 14, 2014 at 01:09:23 PM PDT

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                  •  And (2+ / 0-)
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                    Sylv, kkkkate

                    you did not apologize for mistating me in your erroneous header. Is that HRable?

                    I did not call "Hillary critique" misogyny. Anywhere. Let alone "over and over."

                    Okay, the Government says you MUST abort your child. NOW do you get it?

                    by Catskill Julie on Sat Jun 14, 2014 at 01:16:44 PM PDT

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                    •  You say Hillary critique is based on "HATRED". (0+ / 0-)

                      You have repeated it and repeated it. You say this "HATRED" is "pathological". If the pathological hatred is not misogyny, then what are you saying it is? It's Clinton-phobia?

                      It it precisely because I don't want to misstate you that I keep asking you here to clarify and explain your allegation.

                      •  You already did, perhaps I should just say, LIE (1+ / 0-)
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                        kkkkate

                        about what I actually wrote. I object to that! And yet you continue without apology.

                        Yes, it reads like unreasoning, slathering hatred to me.

                        Not being a psychiatrist I did not and will not venture to diagnose the pathpogy involved. Looking forward to reading some scholarly papers on the subject.

                        Okay, the Government says you MUST abort your child. NOW do you get it?

                        by Catskill Julie on Sat Jun 14, 2014 at 01:32:31 PM PDT

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                        •  You say Hillary critique is "pathological HATRED". (0+ / 0-)

                          I'm sure you're quite aware that the overwhelming majority of those who say Hillary critique stems from "HATRED" allege its source to be misogyny.

                          If you feel there is any other possible source, please offer one, any one (baby-boomer hatred? Raging Anti-Arkansas fury? Consuming fear of Yale Law School graduates?).

                          Since there is no possible other source for pathological Hillary hatred than supposed misogyny, you seem to want to insinuate misogyny on the part of her critics. Then when challenged, you refuse to substantiate your insinuations and claim, indeed, that you are not even making them!  

                          I don't see any other way to read your repeated comments on the "HATRED" you allege on the part of Hillary's critics. I think I have represented the tenor of your comments fully and accurately. But please do correct me if I am wrong in any way.

                        •  Perhaps... (1+ / 0-)
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                          Catskill Julie

                          This is the same message I am sending Rithmck...

                          I would prefer if we defer this particular fight until 2016 and perhaps pull together against the folks we all seriously disagree with.

                          Perhaps we can all make a small donation to these organizations, orthese candidates, or if you want to help me in some primaries in NY state, these candidates. You donate to mine I'll donate to yours!

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                          by mole333 on Sat Jun 14, 2014 at 03:31:23 PM PDT

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                          •  ... (1+ / 0-)
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                            kkkkate

                            I am in complete agreement with you that the anti-Hillary campaign of venom should be vacated, or at least deferred until the 2016 primary. We need to elect a more Democratic Congress. In NY, we must secure the Democratic Senate we already elected!

                            But, dear mole333, there is no equivalence here, as you can see from the comments. My sense of fairness is hurt by that implication.

                            Rithnmck erroneously accused me of claiming misogyny, "over and over and over." I had not. !
                            My clearly stated problem was with the tenor and tone of the hyperbole directed against Clinton in the same diaries you complained about. S/he then stalked me to other fora to continue. Even after I said "bye" and went away to do non-KOS things, s/he continued to another diary and hit me again.

                            I have only used one HR in my entire tenure here as best I can recall, but I am sorely tempted to do it now.

                            I have for years, and will continue to work my but off for righteous Dem candidates in NY. I am not in a position to donate. Sorry.

                            We get it, you think Hillary critique is misogyny.(2+ / 0-)
                            You state that contention over and over and over.

                            What is strange is that you seem unable or unwilling to accept that many left-wing people might not look to kindly on a candidate who has spent decades promoting extreme neo-liberal pro-1% economic policies and who, further, when given the great power of a New York Senate seat from which to challenge the most disastrous far-right-wing corrupt and lying war-mongering administration in decades...simply evaporated and voted FOR THE WAR.

                            It's really not difficult to understand. And it has nothing at all to do with misogyny. Any man who devoted a lifetime to serving the 1% and who had voted for the Bush Iraq War would face the exact same reaction.

                            by Rithmck on Sat Jun 14, 2014 at 02:08:26 PM EDT

                            Okay, the Government says you MUST abort your child. NOW do you get it?

                            by Catskill Julie on Sat Jun 14, 2014 at 04:09:28 PM PDT

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                          •  Just trying to cool things down (1+ / 0-)
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                            Catskill Julie

                            I would tend to agree with your assessment...BUT I also think fundamentally we all would agree that focusing on other things right now is more important. So I am simply trying to redirect and trying to do so without regard to whatever bias I might have in the dispute. That's all.

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                            by mole333 on Sat Jun 14, 2014 at 05:51:33 PM PDT

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                          •  I know :) (2+ / 0-)
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                            mole333, kkkkate

                            Sorry for any distraction I contributed to.

                            Okay, the Government says you MUST abort your child. NOW do you get it?

                            by Catskill Julie on Sat Jun 14, 2014 at 06:23:22 PM PDT

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                •  Well, my disapproval of her as a presidential (0+ / 0-)

                  candidate is informed, sophisticated, and reasoned.

                  So I don't exactly know what to make of your disgruntlement.

                  To put the torture behind us is, inevitably, to put it in front of us.

                  by UntimelyRippd on Sat Jun 14, 2014 at 04:26:21 PM PDT

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            •  RW conservative talk radio (fingers!) (0+ / 0-)

              Okay, the Government says you MUST abort your child. NOW do you get it?

              by Catskill Julie on Sat Jun 14, 2014 at 05:22:42 PM PDT

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        •  she is the poster child for everything... (0+ / 0-)

          that has been wrong with this party for the last 30 years.

          she has no moral center. she has no liberal beliefs. she will say or do anything to get elected. and in spite of all that, she is a lousy as fuck politician.

          let me put it this way - Hillary Clinton is the only "Democrat" who actually has the ability to lose the 2016 election to whatever trainwreck the GOP nominates. That there are Democrats who think she is the only one who can win would be laughable if it weren't so goddam infuriating.

          you want to know why we hate Hillary Clinton? Because she sucks, a lot. And she hates us back.

          "Against the assault of laughter, nothing can stand." - Mark Twain

          by GrimReefa on Thu Jun 19, 2014 at 07:07:03 AM PDT

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      •  don't know about increased "Hillary hating", (2+ / 0-)
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        notagain, Johnny Q

        But the Hillary defending and cheerleading has surely ramped up lately. Yep, it's gonna be a long 2.5 years...

         

        "Tell the truth and run." -- Yugoslav proverb

        by quill on Sat Jun 14, 2014 at 11:38:15 AM PDT

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        •  Odd (6+ / 0-)

          I mostly see the hating. Many, like me, who are objecting to it aren't by any means cheerleading or even really defending.

          But that is beside my point. My point is YES, we have 2.5 years and a HELL OF A LOT of work right now. So forget Hillary and get busy with some of the races I highlight. Or get busy with Progressive Majority candidates And I level that towards the "haters" and "cheerleaders" alike.

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          by mole333 on Sat Jun 14, 2014 at 12:10:19 PM PDT

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          •  Totally agree RE focussing on near term goals! (1+ / 0-)
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            mole333

            More of that, please!

            As for Hillary "hating", yeah there are people who really don't like her, but most of what I read here is strong criticism, which many falsely conflate as "hating". Personally, I don't hate her but I do think she'd be a terrible president. Or, more precisely, she would avidly pursue the anti-99% middle class destroying neoliberal policies created by Clinton 1 and continued by Obama. From an economic perspective, there won't be much difference between a Clinton or a Rubio administration. The Democrats need a better candidate, assuming they care any more about fixing our broken democracy and improving the lot of the majority of the American public.

            "Tell the truth and run." -- Yugoslav proverb

            by quill on Sat Jun 14, 2014 at 01:25:30 PM PDT

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            •  We are getting closer to agreement (2+ / 0-)
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              quill, kkkkate

              Overall I agree. I strongly disagree that there would be little difference between a Rubio and Clinton 2 administration economically. Research funding, infrastructure funding, alternative energy investment, etc. would be very different and that is the kind of thing that matters a lot to me. That said, there won't be enough difference.

              I am just unconvinced that anyone I would like better would make it through the primary and then the general. The step-father of someone I used to date was a media critic, and he once, now long ago, wrote about the "graying" of American politics. By this he wasn't talking about aging, he was talking about personality. Strong personalities get weeded out by our political systems, and so we get a fairly narrow range of candidates.

              The far right has been able to keep pulling the nation further to the right. I think that is because by nature (Cantor aside) the right sticks together more because they are ideologically more homogenous. The left divides and conquers itself. Case in point is the fact that too often something like the Rox vs. Sux disagreements gets in the way of winning down ticket races. I always try to  highlight down ticket races.

              Ironically, as someone who focuses very strongly on local primaries, I find those who complain the most about politics seem to almost take a pride in not voting or getting active in primaries. That always pisses me off because most of the candidates I support lose because of that refusal of people to pay attention to primaries.

              Anyway, end of rant.

              How about we just focus on these races, or these races, or these organizations for now. I suspect you and I can agree on most of them. I tend to prefer focusing on the 80+% we all agree on than the <20% we disagree on.

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              by mole333 on Sat Jun 14, 2014 at 03:23:00 PM PDT

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            •  I have to agree with you. (1+ / 0-)
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              quill

              Hillary is a person whose company I expect I would enjoy.

              However:

              I don't like her record
              I don't like her politics
              and I don't like dynastic rule

              With 200,000,000 eligible adults in this country it is ludicrous that our "choice" may well come down to the brother of a former president and the spouse of a former president.

              To put the torture behind us is, inevitably, to put it in front of us.

              by UntimelyRippd on Sat Jun 14, 2014 at 04:29:47 PM PDT

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              •  Well... (1+ / 0-)
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                quill

                I happen to thing John Quincy Adams and FDR were good presidents despite dynastic connections. Even Benjamin Harrison had some strong points. And of course many progressives supported RFK and Teddy.

                Dynasty isn't necessarily bad. That said, nor does it automatically qualify people. I do hope we get some good choices.

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                by mole333 on Sat Jun 14, 2014 at 06:29:25 PM PDT

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        •  Given that this is a blog about electing Dems (3+ / 0-)
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          Diogenes2008, mole333, kkkkate

          it shouldn't surprise you that many here are not interested in weakening the frontrunner.  The Republicans are already fast at work on that.  

          But most of what I see is pure, unadulterated Hillary bashing. Diary after diary is prosecuting her and the positive voices are simply trying to counter the negativity.  If you ever see a truly pro-Hillary diary here, it rarely makes the Rec List.

          It's the Supreme Court, stupid!

          by Radiowalla on Sat Jun 14, 2014 at 02:08:26 PM PDT

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      •  People are stupid enough... (0+ / 0-)

        To think that polls matter at this point in the 2016 primary and this led to the stupid people saying Hillary was a lock and the backlash ensued but Yea it's just some haters. Lol hahaha

        I sing praises in the church of nonsense, but in my heart I'm still an atheist, demanding sense of all things.

        by jbou on Sat Jun 14, 2014 at 01:53:18 PM PDT

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        •  You're being beaten by RuPaul (0+ / 0-)

          But at least you are beating all the Repub candidates.

          The polls are useless at this point. Anyone who says she has a lock is being foolish.

          But a lot of the responses to anyone advocating for HRC do border on rabid.

          Personally I tend to support candidates with little chance. Liberal, nerdy, etc. I liked Paul Simon. I liked Al Gore. Howard Dean of course. But I would take an entire Federal government of Hillary Clintons than Republican control.

          Now I'm thinking of Being John Malkovich but with Hillary Clinton.

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          by mole333 on Sat Jun 14, 2014 at 04:07:55 PM PDT

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  •  If we don't hold our politicians to some standards (3+ / 0-)
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    PurpleElectric, Portlaw, schumann

    then we get what we deserve. Hillary needs to know that her hawkish status quo militarism, her very vocal and strong support for PATRIOT, her neoliberalism, her support of Wall Street and free trade is not acceptable. Google "Hillary Clinton Cannabis" and see if she has taken any position on one of the most explosive social issues. I assume she will continue with the Obama status quo and a "protect the children" stance until she says something different.
    Just look at what happened to Cantor. The perfect political operative, took his power for granted while ignoring his constituency. The first person who ambled along with a vaguely populist message took him out. Not that Republican primaries = presidential elections, but she is open to defeat in the same way that Obama took her out with his "Hope" message. Can she run on womens' issues alone? Or "I am not Ted Cruz?" Her inevitability strategy failed her against Obama. Irrespective of the "She is too old for POTUS" agitprop from the right, she IS old. She will need to appeal to young voters with something other that the fact that she is the most competent status quo  Washington insider they can find.
    She must step up with some progressive populism or she can be eclipsed by some crazy like Rand Paul.

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    by shmuelman on Sat Jun 14, 2014 at 09:43:19 AM PDT

  •  Personally, I believe (10+ / 0-)

    We should all vote for Superman. He's handsome, looks good in tights, can leap the tallest building in a single bound, and can turn back time if he makes a mistake (which Superman would never do, of course).

    If we can't get him to run, I'll vote for the best Democrat in the primaries, and then whoever wins the primaries will have my vote in the general election.

    Because if I can't have the REAL Superman, I'll take the best candidate running.

    What?!? You thought I was going to go for Batman instead? Nah. Too gloomy for me. And I can't vote for Spiderman. What if he has children?? Bad enough I keep finding spiders in the corners and behind things... damn!

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    by Diogenes2008 on Sat Jun 14, 2014 at 09:46:42 AM PDT

  •  Didn't HRC advise President Obama to militarily... (3+ / 0-)
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    ..intervene in Syria, where you have another StrongMan holding a country together.

    That was precisely why Iraq has imploded.  No StrongMan after Arbusto got rid of Hussein.

    And now HRC wants the same in Syria!!!!!

    She can't be trusted with that 3am phone call.

    We can and will do so much better than HRC for our nominee.

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    by PatriciaVa on Sat Jun 14, 2014 at 09:58:13 AM PDT

  •  Slightly off-topic but can't resist: (2+ / 0-)
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    by jan4insight on Sat Jun 14, 2014 at 10:14:09 AM PDT

  •  Everyone, repeat after me: No more oligarchs. n/t (1+ / 0-)
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    by River Rover on Sat Jun 14, 2014 at 10:17:41 AM PDT

  •  "Hillary did something bad" (0+ / 0-)

    is the new STFU.

    Just an observation.

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    by puckmtl on Sat Jun 14, 2014 at 10:33:59 AM PDT

  •  Heh. Not much Hilary Hate here ~ (6+ / 0-)

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    by jan4insight on Sat Jun 14, 2014 at 10:44:46 AM PDT

    •  This photo would seem to confirm (4+ / 0-)

      Statements in a previous diary that were a response to the question of who loves Hilary. Dems do. According to that line, male and female, African-American and Caucasian Dems do.

      If I am not for myself, then who will be for me? When I am only for myself, then what am "I"? And if not now, when?

      by betorah on Sat Jun 14, 2014 at 11:08:59 AM PDT

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      •  And, while not shown in the photo, (2+ / 0-)
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        Justice Sonia Sotomayer was shopping at Costco at the time of the book signing and told Hilary she would read her book.

        If I am not for myself, then who will be for me? When I am only for myself, then what am "I"? And if not now, when?

        by betorah on Sat Jun 14, 2014 at 08:46:16 PM PDT

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  •  I honestly think Clinton might have a problem (1+ / 0-)
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    in the primary. I know her current numbers show her crushing any opponent but the ramp up of negativity toward her on this site in the past couple of weeks suggests to me that antipathy has not faded that much from 2008.

    The right opponent (or right group of opponents) with the right packaging could still beat her. If some populist and some young inspiring latino were to run she could easily see a repeat in the Iowa caucus.

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    by tigercourse on Sat Jun 14, 2014 at 11:45:35 AM PDT

    •  Largely agree (2+ / 0-)
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      I think she has a good shot. I also think, as you say, the right opponent (or right group of opponents) with the right packaging could still beat her.

      I leave that to 2016.

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      by mole333 on Sat Jun 14, 2014 at 11:59:16 AM PDT

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    •  Eh. Couldn't use the same method that Obama did. (1+ / 0-)
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      Obama thrust himself onto the national stage and made himself seem like a future president in 2004 at the DNC, and would run for president 4 years later. Pretty sure Bill Clinton took the most energizing speech in 2012, neutralizing that threat pretty well. Are there other ways one could thrust themselves into the national spotlight? Yes, but that was the easiest and it's gone. Hard to see anyone with enough energy to beat her now.

  •  I don't get it.. (2+ / 0-)
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    Why doesn't everyone agree to hate everyone?

  •  2014 is pressing.. No time for hrc debate (6+ / 0-)

    Every minute we waste debating hrc is time we are losing on state and local races and senate, house races this year.

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    by Chris Reeves on Sat Jun 14, 2014 at 12:03:54 PM PDT

  •  They throw the blue dress at her, it won't stick. (0+ / 0-)

    They throw Benghazi at her, it won't stick. They throw age at her, it won't stick. They throw brain damage at her, it wont stick. They throw a shoe at her, she looks like a witch. (See Jon Stewart)

    They say politics is a dirty business, and everyone hates HRC. WTF. That sux.

    Don't send a teddy bear to the Martinez family, they don't want you to intrude on their grief - send a postcard to a politician Not One More

    by 88kathy on Sat Jun 14, 2014 at 05:08:19 PM PDT

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