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“Why in 2009 were we still using paper?” VA Assistant Secretary Tommy Sowers “When we came in, there was no plan to change that; we’ve been operating on a six month wait for over a decade.” 27 March 2013

Veterans for Peace discuss VA health care, funding
19 June 2014 - Local members of Veterans for Peace gathered Thursday to voice concerns about the "massive under-funding, massive under-staffing and effort to privatize" the Veterans Administration that they said has been occurring for the last 15-20 years.

The VA currently enrolls 9.1 million of the estimated 21.6 million veterans living in the U.S.

Buzz Davis, an Army veteran who served in South Korea from 1967-70, said the VA budget hasn't increased enough to correspond with the country's growing number of veterans and its aging population. The U.S. has a propensity to forget its veterans after they return from war, he said.

"What we have is a massive meat grinder. We put in young men and women at the top of the meat grinder," Davis said. "The military, the Department of Defense, all these good politicians who never go to war but think war is just wonderful are grinding that handle on that meat grinder. And out of the bottom of that meat grinder comes men and women who are slightly messed up, or are dead. It goes on year after year. We’ve now been in almost 15 years of wars in Afghanistan and Iraq. We are not learning. We lost in Vietnam, you can’t fight ideas ... you can’t shoot a bullet through an idea. Same thing in Afghanistan. Same thing in Iraq."  read more>>>

With the under funding comes the short staffing out of Washington to police the VA Health Care facilities and their executives and policies of!

"If military action is worth our troops’ blood, it should be worth our treasure, too" "not just in the abstract, but in the form of a specific ante by every American." -Andrew Rosenthal 10 Feb. 2013

As well as 'massive' ignoring or denying issues even exist, PTS for decades, Agent Orange contamination for decades, Gulf War Syndrome now for decades, homelessness and crimes and the mitigating reasons driving some towards, with so many more from past conflicts and already ignoring many from OEF and OIF like burn pit contamination! Which finally, even though grossly underfunded but with the help of this entire executive administration and it's cabinet, the Shinseki administration had started addressing, what other VA secretaries, executive administrations, congress and the people they represent, avoided as the people served ignored they exist!

Sen. Bernie Sanders (I) told Conservatives: “If you can’t afford to take care of your veterans, than don’t go war. These people are bearing the brunt of what war is about, We have a moral obligation to support them.” February, 26th, 2014

Wars are carried out "In Our Names!" and whether one believes they are right or not makes no difference!! The country served responsibility is to not only pay for them but the long term results from, all the results!! Sen. Sanders had it right, the country has it and has had it wrong for decades!!

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  •  Tip Jar (33+ / 0-)

    "If military action is worth our troops' blood, it should be worth our treasure, too; not just in the abstract, but in the form of a specific ante by every American." -Andrew Rosenthal 10 Feb. 2013

    by jimstaro on Fri Jun 20, 2014 at 05:52:30 AM PDT

  •  The Tea Party/GOP strategy for the VA is... (15+ / 0-)

    ...their strategy for every government service.

    The one thing that has me scratching my head is why is it that nobody talked about it BEFORE it had already succeeded in sabotaging the VA.  I wonder what will be next.  EPA? HHS? DOE?

    I wish they sabotaged the DEA and the DOD.  Plenty of $$$ for F-35s but not for veterans.

    Daily Kos an oasis of truth. Truth that leads to action.

    by Shockwave on Fri Jun 20, 2014 at 06:04:45 AM PDT

    •  Talking About It? (6+ / 0-)


      Conservative meme's, and the people, All of them, are eager to go right along with, are to attack and lay blame on the agencies staff and others within each, and for years that's what been going on as bills were passed, not funded but there to use in the attacks "why wasn't this done!".

      That's been the way to get privatized government, goes along with the private sector can do it better, thus corporate profits off the peoples treasury and as still called government agencies the ability to raise the budgets and legislate extra fee's etc. for bigger corporate bottom lines. That's what the no bid private war contracts, and oh so much more, are about!!

      In the VA there's also those bringing politics and greed into jobs that shouldn't have anything to do with either, but they know they can get away with it, have wars create greater need easier to game the system, those types, few, don't give a crap about who they're charged with caring for!

      Under the bush all of it came out openly, Military Care with Walter Reed showed what wasn't being done in the VA care system, and so much more, but hey FOX speak is easier to follow then reality!!!

      "If military action is worth our troops' blood, it should be worth our treasure, too; not just in the abstract, but in the form of a specific ante by every American." -Andrew Rosenthal 10 Feb. 2013

      by jimstaro on Fri Jun 20, 2014 at 06:18:44 AM PDT

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    •  Take the present (8+ / 0-)


      Miller in the House Veterans Affairs Committee has hearings after hearings after hearings that after the opening niceties quickly evolve into attack the VA personal, never once mentioning the private sector problems nor looking at themselves as the problem.

      Hearing after hearing after hearing and rarely anything comes out from except sound bites and press coverage with him and others speaking the smack but doing little about. If bills pass they're most often not funded, that gets press as well, the bills not the lack of funding to carry out.

      I've always been in awe with most who want to work in the VA, knowing it's grossly under funded, and even more in awe of the many volunteers that actually greatly help in maintaining a proper Veterans Administration while the rest ignore and point fingers just not at themselves, and that includes many veterans!!

      "If military action is worth our troops' blood, it should be worth our treasure, too; not just in the abstract, but in the form of a specific ante by every American." -Andrew Rosenthal 10 Feb. 2013

      by jimstaro on Fri Jun 20, 2014 at 06:33:19 AM PDT

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  •  Bernie Sanders... (14+ / 0-)

    "If you think it's too expensive to take care of Veterans, then don't send them to war."

    Dudehisattva...

    "Generosity, Ethics, Patience, Effort, Concentration, and Wisdom"

    by Dood Abides on Fri Jun 20, 2014 at 06:13:46 AM PDT

    •  tattoo that on the foreheads of every member of (7+ / 0-)

      congress - so they will be reminded each time they "confer", as will the public any time they watch c-span hearings.

      "If you think it's too expensive to take care of Veterans, then don't send them to war."

      "Show up. Pay attention. Tell the truth. And don't be attached to the results." -- Angeles Arrien

      by Sybil Liberty on Fri Jun 20, 2014 at 06:54:27 AM PDT

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      •  Not as pretty (8+ / 0-)

        As a lapel flag pin!!!

        Don't even notice how many are still wearing theirs!!

        "If military action is worth our troops' blood, it should be worth our treasure, too; not just in the abstract, but in the form of a specific ante by every American." -Andrew Rosenthal 10 Feb. 2013

        by jimstaro on Fri Jun 20, 2014 at 07:05:31 AM PDT

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        •  ...and Vets could use rally pins reading: (5+ / 0-)
          "I am NOT your FODDER"

          "Show up. Pay attention. Tell the truth. And don't be attached to the results." -- Angeles Arrien

          by Sybil Liberty on Fri Jun 20, 2014 at 07:11:38 AM PDT

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          •  trouble there (0+ / 0-)

            Most of the repubs, and also dems, served wouldn't like that, they all likes them free wars and then to just ignore the issues from, keeps their juices flowing for the real battles of, poser, patriotism on the home front!

            Somebody's, roughly 1%, gotta fight in those wanted flag wavin wars and especially long occupations of others!!

            "If military action is worth our troops' blood, it should be worth our treasure, too; not just in the abstract, but in the form of a specific ante by every American." -Andrew Rosenthal 10 Feb. 2013

            by jimstaro on Fri Jun 20, 2014 at 09:29:52 AM PDT

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            •  that's not really anything new tho (0+ / 0-)

              is it? Fighting rich men's wars, even back when they drafted young men to combat, called it "battle fatigue" at best, and told them to get over it.

              "Show up. Pay attention. Tell the truth. And don't be attached to the results." -- Angeles Arrien

              by Sybil Liberty on Fri Jun 20, 2014 at 09:59:49 AM PDT

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        •  Noticed Liz Cheney (5+ / 0-)

          was wearing a flag pin as she monged war last week. Cheap trick, I'd say, and coming from her, a slap in the face to veterans.

          Ugh!

          "Let each unique song be sung and the spell of differentiation be broken" - Winter Rabbit

          by cotterperson on Fri Jun 20, 2014 at 08:18:47 AM PDT

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        •  pins on lapels be damned (1+ / 0-)
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          and the fuckheaded pro-back-to-Iraq-combat shit-for-brains little-dick big-ego ball-less asshole bastard motherfucking girlfriend stealing lying cheating politically connected money-loving vet-hating austerity-licking anti-American Gee O Pee oilmongering cowards who never dared put on so much as a JROTC T-Shirt drumbeaters with 'em.

          We had no goddamned business ever being in Iraq either time we went there (BUSH presidents for both -- anybody see the OIL MONEY connection???).

          There is, as Jim Wright so eloquently wrote at Stonekettle Station, nothing worth going back over there after.

          It's their fucked-up country, it's their fucked-up religion, it's their oil. It's their desert. Let them run it, or ruin it, to suit them. If we want to be useful let's evacuate all the kids under five and the women who want out, and all the innocent animals, and then let's let the remnants fight until they're so thin on the ground they can't find anybody to shoot at anymore.

          We can and must do better in the future. Our grandchildrens' planet depends on us, and so do their lives. That doesn't TOUCH the needs of the now 4th generation of new combat casualties since I got out of the service more than 30 years ago.

          God damn Dick Cheney to hell and all his cohort of pro-war anti-service minion idiots with him (I'm looking at y'all, 41 and 43). Ceiling Cat, Flying Spaghetti Monster and all the gods hear this plea and make it so!!!

          LBJ, Van Cliburn, Ike, Wendy Davis, Lady Bird, Ann Richards, Barbara Jordan, Molly Ivins, Sully Sullenburger, Drew Brees: Texas is NO Bush League!

          by BlackSheep1 on Fri Jun 20, 2014 at 09:16:21 AM PDT

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  •  Those politicians who care about troops.. (11+ / 0-)

    only as backdrops for their speeches
    are often the ones who clamor for war.
    The commitment to the  care for returning soldiers should be linked to the commitment to go to war.

    If cats could blog, they wouldn't

    by crystal eyes on Fri Jun 20, 2014 at 06:14:50 AM PDT

    •  Poser Patriots!! (9+ / 0-)


      Not just pols but those they represent and across the entire political spectrum, people like everything for free or others to pay for it!!

      Reason these wars have yet been paid for and it's easier for the representatives of those served to ignore the condition they've built the agency, their responsibility, into. Thus creating more very costly needed fixes over and over!

      Like if I was ever a part of short cutting on building building buildings, houses, roads, bridges, you name it, Most Of Us In The Trades Wouldn't Allow, you have a lifetime after of major costly fixes, instead of building it right to begin with and only needing to keep up with the advances in technologies etc.!!!!

      "If military action is worth our troops' blood, it should be worth our treasure, too; not just in the abstract, but in the form of a specific ante by every American." -Andrew Rosenthal 10 Feb. 2013

      by jimstaro on Fri Jun 20, 2014 at 06:26:06 AM PDT

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  •  Tipped & rec'ed, not surprised (7+ / 0-)

    I voted Tuesday, May 6, 2014 because it is my right, my responsibility and because my parents moved from Alabama to Ohio to vote. Unfortunately, the republicons want to turn Ohio into Alabama.

    by a2nite on Fri Jun 20, 2014 at 06:21:17 AM PDT

  •  There are 3 easy "fixes" (6+ / 0-)

    1. Automatic eligibility. GI Joe or Jane walk into a VA Medical Center, show the DD-214, and are immediately seen by a nurse practitioner or physicians assistant. No questions asked. None.

    At any later dates, decisions can be made about the issues of disabilities and treatment. There are no income or asset tests and no co-pays. It costs more to collect the co-pays than revenues produced. Every veteran is eligible for medical care and there are 3 categories: service connected disabled, any wounded/Purple Heart, all others. It does not matter whether a veteran broke his/her leg on the first day in boot camp or spent 40 years on active duty and is an amputee--all are treated. ALL.

    2. When the necessary and required treatment is not available, the veteran is transported to the nearest active military hospital. The fallback position is military medical care--NOT civilian doctors, clinics, and hospitals.

    3. The Dept. of Veterans Affairs budget must become part of the defense budget. The VA remains independent and has a cabinet level secretary, but all of the funding is in the Dept. of Defense. The military created all of the medical issues for veterans, so the Pentagon "owns" the problems, the costs, and the responsibility.

    We're all just working for Pharaoh.

    by whl on Fri Jun 20, 2014 at 06:40:42 AM PDT

    •  Easy Fixes (5+ / 0-)


      Wars come with responsibility, i.e. Taxes!!!!!!!!

      With same continue what Shinseki had finally started addressing, Cleland tried under Clinton but was obstructed and in Conservative Executive Branches the agency is mostly ignored, and with the help of this entire Executive Branch Cabinet, addressing the looooong ignored issues by those served and not paying, i.e. No Sacrifice while demanding those serving them do!

      If it had been built as it should have it would have saved monies and lives!!

      Once built and the promises kept maintain in proper order and keep politics the hell away from, Period!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

      "If military action is worth our troops' blood, it should be worth our treasure, too; not just in the abstract, but in the form of a specific ante by every American." -Andrew Rosenthal 10 Feb. 2013

      by jimstaro on Fri Jun 20, 2014 at 06:54:09 AM PDT

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    •  I am not so sure about your number 3 (4+ / 0-)
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      DaNang65, allie4fairness, whl, llbear

      While I agree with you that it would maybe make sense to have the VA a part of DOD, I worry that when budget issues come up, the DOD may want to reach into the cookie jar for that funding if say a ship needed to be built and congress fudged.  

      •  Dedicated funding, just like the fuel tax. (0+ / 0-)

        We're all just working for Pharaoh.

        by whl on Fri Jun 20, 2014 at 10:03:49 AM PDT

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        •  Give a General any opportunity to overreach and he (1+ / 0-)
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          or she will. In practice this is a non-starter. However, there should be a reintegration program conducted jointly be DOD and the VA. During the course of the program you would ease back into civilian status as a newly-minted Veteran.

          Before you leave the program you would get a head-to-toe inside-and-out examination. Based on the results of the examination, you would leave the program after you meet your primary care provider and any specialists required to treat whatever ails you.

          At the conclusion of the program if you are found to be disabled, the percentage would be calculated and you would get your first disability check.

          Sounds like pie-in-the-sky? Not if you are a Digger - an Australian Veteran. They have been getting all that and a personal advocate for 20+ years.

          The time has come to repair this country and care for its' veterans.

          by llbear on Fri Jun 20, 2014 at 07:58:42 PM PDT

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    •  Hells to the yes, whl. (2+ / 0-)
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      And no goddamn new contracts for fucking redesigning the camo clothes until all the vets have had the medical care they need. Every single vet, all the care s/he needs.

      Jobs.
      Housing.
      Food.
      Transportation.

      Oh, and while I'm dreaming -- The next time ANY DOD contractor can't meet deadline and budget, that contractor's out of the running for all forward-going contracts for 10 years. No mercy, no quarter, no exceptions. From toilet paper and janitorial service to all-up fighter jets and rocket-launching man-portable weapons to jeeps. Do it for what you bid it for, and fuckin' well make it right -- or get the hell out of the contracting game. Brown & Root / Halliburton / KBR execs from the CEO to the HR manager ought to all be in jail for murder after the shit they pulled in Cheney's Wars.

      Wanna start a land war in Asia? Go right ahead -- but you, you sonofabitching politician, YOU goddamn well strap on gear and walk in first, motherfucker. YOU, TV pundit or newspaper columnist, YOU get your worthless loudmouth un-American pro-war ass out there on the sharp end.

      Not my kid brother.

      Not my son.

      Not some sharecropper's kid or urban high schooler hoping for a job with three hots and a cot and college help in six or twenty years.

      YOU.
      You, and your crusade.

      YOUR skinny ass, Ann Coulter, in fatigues with a small-arms loadout and a plate-armor-vest and a brainbucket. See how many you can convert to Christianity and a peaceful existence.

      YOU, Dick goddamned motherfucking asshole bastard scheming useless rich-assed coward Cheney and your smug daughter-politician-clone, both of YOU saddle up and get on with it right there up front in person.Take your puppet used-to-be-a-President wannabe-fighter-pilot with you if you can make him go; but don't count on him not to get your sorry ass blown full of holes.

      YOU, Bill O'Lielly.

      YOU, Paul Wolfowitz.

      YOU, John VietCong-Ace McCain. You're not too old to strap it on if you're not too old to send somebody else's grandkids to fight and die for the oil money. Try not to lose five more US combat aircraft this go-round.

      That's all the fuck this is about for the Beltway bunch.

      It's not about the ideas.
      It's not about the religion.
      It's about keeping the oil money coming.

      It ain't worth a single GI's sweaty jockstrap, let alone another life lost over there or another kid crippled over there or another "collateral damage" casualty among the women and kids and wildlife in that all-too-barren religion-driven nutjob-ridden pesthole.

      LBJ, Van Cliburn, Ike, Wendy Davis, Lady Bird, Ann Richards, Barbara Jordan, Molly Ivins, Sully Sullenburger, Drew Brees: Texas is NO Bush League!

      by BlackSheep1 on Fri Jun 20, 2014 at 09:32:22 AM PDT

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      •  Wow. Next time let us know how you really feel. (2+ / 0-)
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        Excellent rant.

        But I would add a couple of concepts--we don't require the chickenhawks to go; they have to send their children.

        Snatch up those privileged patrician kids, force-feed them through boot-camp, slap some cammie-jammies on 'em, deploy them to a humvee somewhere close to Fire Base Camel's Breath, and let 'em Skype home to mommy and daddy once a week.

        Nothing makes a pacifist out of someone quicker than watching the kid get on a C-17 or C-5A and cut a chogie for the absolute rectum of creation. Unless it's an Air National Guard C-130 that was built in let's say 1964, about 30 years before the kid was born.

        Dreamin' on.

        We're all just working for Pharaoh.

        by whl on Fri Jun 20, 2014 at 10:15:46 AM PDT

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    •  whl - no DD214 needed. It's on their data base. (0+ / 0-)

      If you don't have a VA card, go to Enrollment, then to the ER. Within 30 minutes - unless a bus load of people preceded you in the door - you will meet a nurse. She needs all the details about the problems you are experiencing or the symptoms you are experiencing. Then comes what can be a multiple hour wait.  

      Your wait  depends on the problem you are having compared to what others are experiencing. The dude who is bleeding, or experiencing signs of a heart attack, or shows signs of a psychotic break goes to the head of the line.

      The ER doc will patch you up if possible and make an appointment within a reasonable period of time related to what the ER doc thinks is wrong. If you need immediate medical attention followed by monitoring,  you will be admitted, possibly held overnight if you are being seen past 4:00 PM, and get full treatment.

      The time has come to repair this country and care for its' veterans.

      by llbear on Fri Jun 20, 2014 at 07:46:28 PM PDT

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  •  For More Clarity, a Few Points (4+ / 0-)


    TX-19 Congressional Candidate Neal Marchbanks - Veteran: 28 March 2014 - "Congress controls the budget for the VA and it is the fault of Congress that the VA does not have enough employees and that the facilities are too small."

    Congress, in Veteran Marchbanks statement, are the people served and who representatives work for, or are supposed to!

    Sixth District Congressional candidate Seth Moulton: "Congress has made 'travesty' of veterans care" 05/14/2014

    Not only Congress, the peoples National Representatives, but State Legislators as well as each state has Veterans Affairs offices, or most do.

    "12 years also is a long time. We now have a lifetime responsibility to a generation of service members, veterans and their families." Dr. Jonathan Woodson 11 Sep. 2013: With 9/11 Came Lifetime Responsibility

    Two tax cuts, especially for the wealthy, came with these two recent unpaid for wars, nor the results of, DeJa-Vu all over again from the previous decades and wars from! Ignore the many issues, by those served, no need to fund!

    "If military action is worth our troops' blood, it should be worth our treasure, too; not just in the abstract, but in the form of a specific ante by every American." -Andrew Rosenthal 10 Feb. 2013

    by jimstaro on Fri Jun 20, 2014 at 06:48:35 AM PDT

  •  150 Billion is "underfunded"? (1+ / 0-)
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    So how much is enough...300 Billion? 500 Billion? A Trillion?

    The VA is hamstrung by an over-arching, top heavy management, too many rules, and an inability to change anything... or fire anybody.

    Physicians aren't even allowed to round on their own patients after 3pm, inefficiency is so rife that a conscientious doc literally CAN'T be efficient at the VA.

    Money won't fix this.

    … the NSA takes significant care to prevent any abuses and that there is a substantial oversight system in place,” Sen. Dianne Feinstein (D-California), said August 23.

    by mosesfreeman on Fri Jun 20, 2014 at 06:52:33 AM PDT

    •  You respond (3+ / 0-)
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      like a poser patriot conservative who wants argue rather then reality!!!

      You certainly haven't a clue as to the VA your responsibility and what abandoning missions and those sent to accomplish, i.e. so quick after 9/11, brings about after long occupations in theaters of operations!!

      Go watch the FOX, the speak is more in line with mentality!!

      "If military action is worth our troops' blood, it should be worth our treasure, too; not just in the abstract, but in the form of a specific ante by every American." -Andrew Rosenthal 10 Feb. 2013

      by jimstaro on Fri Jun 20, 2014 at 06:59:24 AM PDT

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    •  By the way (1+ / 0-)
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      Much of that that shocks you is taking care of problems created, that then compound, due to gross under funding for decades, and ignoring so many issues that are now being cared for to a degree, and Not Only On The Present!!!!!!!!!!!

      Your lack of critical thinking is overwhelming, oh and so are the gifts of developed common sense lacking!!

      "If military action is worth our troops' blood, it should be worth our treasure, too; not just in the abstract, but in the form of a specific ante by every American." -Andrew Rosenthal 10 Feb. 2013

      by jimstaro on Fri Jun 20, 2014 at 07:02:11 AM PDT

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      •  Forgot to add (1+ / 0-)
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        Most is still being borrowed, the budget, as the country hasn't paid a dime, especially this past decade plus, so add those costs in, congress, for ya all, doesn't!!

        "If military action is worth our troops' blood, it should be worth our treasure, too; not just in the abstract, but in the form of a specific ante by every American." -Andrew Rosenthal 10 Feb. 2013

        by jimstaro on Fri Jun 20, 2014 at 07:04:13 AM PDT

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      •  This is not a left/right issue (0+ / 0-)

        The issue at hand is efficiency. The VA provides inferior healthcare at a much higher cost than other hospitals.

        Ask any physician who's rounded at the VA in residency. Every procedure is slower and more difficult to accomplish, with fewer choices. Whether it's labs, medications, whatever, VA rules inhibit optimal healthcare.

        I would advocate bringing these patients into the ACA, with the possible exception of those with specific injuries that the VA has the most experience with.

        As it stands, we are shoveling money into a broken system, and no amount of it will be enough to fix it. The VA has more funding than any department except Defense, yet it can't provide the outcomes that our vets deserve.

        This conversation would be more productive if we focused on facts btw, rather than go all ad hominem.

        … the NSA takes significant care to prevent any abuses and that there is a substantial oversight system in place,” Sen. Dianne Feinstein (D-California), said August 23.

        by mosesfreeman on Fri Jun 20, 2014 at 07:24:20 AM PDT

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        •  Yes, let's talk facts (3+ / 0-)
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          and not unsupported allegations. Would you please be so kind as to provide links to substantiate your claims a) that "the VA provides inferior healthcare" and b) "at a much higher cost than other hospitals."

          Anecdotal evidence from "any physician who's rounded at the VA in residency" is just that, anecdotal evidence. Are there things about physician's rounds at the VA that could be done more cost effectively? Most probably.

          Physician's rounds represent a minuscule portion of what the VA does, and inefficiencies there hardly justify the more generalized conclusions.

          War beats down, and sows with salt, the hearts and minds of soldiers." Brecht

          by DaNang65 on Fri Jun 20, 2014 at 07:43:25 AM PDT

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          •  Agree... Vets are dying to get into (1+ / 0-)
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            DaNang65

            the VA system.. Does not sound like bad specialized care to me ...No it SHOULD not be a left or right issue but the party of no has made it so....WE SHOULD not even think of privatization......The private sector is most of the problem regarding healthcare in my state.

            Stop the bonus crap

            Just how much Koch do Right Wingers want in their life? . United Veterans of America

            by Vetwife on Fri Jun 20, 2014 at 09:15:21 AM PDT

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        •  Hey, Moses - statistically VA provides cheaper (1+ / 0-)
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          Vetwife

          in-patient care, better critical care outcomes, with some of the best physicians, nurses and techs in the hospital biz.

          Look it up.

          From your first comment I thought you were a VA Specialty Doc forced into dual-duty as a primary care Doc. Now, I think you are a Doc in private practice but served an internship at least 5 years ago. Things have changed for the better in all of the areas you rant about except for 3 PM patient rounds. That doesn't happen when your clinic is 30 miles or more from your medical center. Some in the PAC-Northwest are more than 600 miles away.

          The time has come to repair this country and care for its' veterans.

          by llbear on Fri Jun 20, 2014 at 08:21:41 PM PDT

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    •  Yes, it damned well is underfunded. (2+ / 0-)
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      Nine million plus currently enrolled patients.

      Private sector that kind of numbers would call for half-a-trillion dollars in care budget, and that's IF you didn't have a shitload of administrator-types siphoning off six-figure salaries and choking the healthcare specialists on outmoded paperwork.

      Average patient's age is well over fifty -- for those not catastrophically injured in the most recent wars. So chronic conditions, plus general geriatric concerns; plus "shell shock" or "combat fatigue" or PTSD. Plus TBI for the younger guys; from Korea coming toward now, people -- like Kyle Carpenter, the Marine who saved his buddy from a thrown hand grenade in Afghanistan four years ago -- who would have DIED in WW1 or WW2, right there on the battlefield with a sobbing corpsman unable to stop it, are coming home alive.

      But a long damn way from whole, and needing care that ain't cheap.

      LBJ, Van Cliburn, Ike, Wendy Davis, Lady Bird, Ann Richards, Barbara Jordan, Molly Ivins, Sully Sullenburger, Drew Brees: Texas is NO Bush League!

      by BlackSheep1 on Fri Jun 20, 2014 at 09:37:01 AM PDT

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  •  One of the things I do as a veteran (6+ / 0-)

    is to tell others and especially veterans the truth about our lack of funding.  I have been in the VA system for over 45 years as it is my only source of healthcare and it has been good to me.  I tell my fellow veterans that and encourage them to enroll.  A lot of the push back on VA healthcare comes from veterans who are not enrolled and have heard bad things about the VA.  As always, education is the key to understanding. Thanks for your diary.

  •  The pattern is (1+ / 0-)
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    Vetwife

    Cut funding until the agency does not work.

    Then parade your campaign donors with wanting to get their hands on that taxpayer cash as the privatizing solution to the "broken" agency.

    How long are we going to let them get away with this.

    Additionally a for profit corporation providing the same services cheaper DEFYS LOGIC!

    I need your support, my paypal is: boothie68@gmail.com

    by Horace Boothroyd III on Fri Jun 20, 2014 at 09:29:40 AM PDT

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