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Fox, apparently explaining why Republicans have really high hopes for 2016:

Fox Chyron:
Well, sure. The Republican candidate has won more electoral college votes in nine of the last 17 elections. Of course, if you're going to go back that far in history, the only reason you'd stop then is if you didn't want to count FDR's four victories, which doesn't make any sense.

On the other hand, if you're just trying to show that Republicans have demonstrated they can win national elections ... well, you probably shouldn't give them credit for 2000, when they only managed to win because the U.S. Supreme Court handed them victory. If you're interested in electoral analysis, you've got to count 2000 as a Democratic victory—Al Gore got more votes than Bush. And that means Democrats have won five of the last six.

In 2016, Hillary Clinton will make it six of the last seven, and at the rate the GOP is going, it's going to be an awful long time before that trend ends. But hey, if dumb Chyrons give the GOP false hope, who am I to complain? It just means the 2016 primary season will be that much more entertaining.

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  •  Math iz hard. Or something. (23+ / 0-)

    Ask Karl Rove, who is still asking Megyn to recalculate those pesky 2012 Ohio returns.

    Ho'oponopono. To make things right; restore harmony; heal.

    by earicicle on Fri Jun 20, 2014 at 06:06:55 PM PDT

  •  As long as the GOP stays in the clutches of the (10+ / 0-)

    Tea Party the White House will be out of their grasp.

    It is what it is.

    Wonders are many, but none so wonderful as man.

    by Morgan Sandlin on Fri Jun 20, 2014 at 06:09:32 PM PDT

  •  THAT'S GREAT NEWS!!!FOR JOHN McCAIN!!!!!1!!!111!!! (9+ / 0-)

    THAT'S GREAT NEWS!!!FOR JOHN McCAIN!!!!!1!!!111!!!

    "If this Studebaker had anymore Atomic Space-Age Style, you'd have to be an astronaut with a geiger counter!"

    by Stude Dude on Fri Jun 20, 2014 at 06:10:29 PM PDT

  •  interesting (6+ / 0-)

    Gotta love how Fox twists shit.. anyways.. Don't assume anything.. we need to keep our eye on the ball.. as much as I  would love to be 100% correct.. Hillary , while I think that she would do great is not 100% lock to win.. we need to keep our eyes open

    . but we can't ignore that the President's approval numbers are dropping and that Senate Dems need to step it up or else we could lose the majority.. We also need to make sure we have a strong nominee in '16.. I hope Hillary gets it together soon, or whoever is the nominee,,.. We can't afford many mistakes.. unless we want a Teabag Congress and a Repub Puppet President.. it can happen again.. people have short memories.. just sayin...

  •  More unjustifiable optimism (4+ / 0-)

    that Hillary Clinton will both run and win the general (I'll grant you that she'd be unlikely to lose the nomination).

    We don't have a lock on the electoral college or the demographics.  Yes, mostly because of apathy and vote suppression, but we also seem to think the Republican candidate can't possible increase his share of the black or hispanic vote.  I think it's quite possible.

    First they came for the slippery-slope fallacists, and I said nothing. The End.

    by Cream Puff on Fri Jun 20, 2014 at 06:13:02 PM PDT

    •  They don't have to win non-whites; just lose by... (0+ / 0-)

      They don't have to win non-whites; just lose by a few points less. Though my assumption they would try to do that has proven wrong. Likewise, if Democrats lose a few points less badly among whites, Republicans are really in trouble.

    •  Unjustifiable, indeed. (2+ / 0-)
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      PurpleElectric, mimi9

      The mass delusion that is engulfing so many Democrats about Hillary Clinton's impending coronation is profoundly disturbing.  It astounds me how conveniently everyone is forgetting how well the "inevitability" strategy worked out for her the last go-round.

      We most certainly do not have a lock on the electoral college or on demographics.

      You're absolutely right--the GOP candidate can certainly win.

      By the way, the Supreme Court is still 5 conservatives to 4 liberals. God help us if 2016 manages to have history repeating itself.

      Especially with as flawed and weak a candidate as HRC.

      •  Worse then the "optimism" is the desire-- (3+ / 0-)
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        Subterranean, PurpleElectric, mimi9

        See Beinart's pience on Hil in the National Journal. You want to root for someone who pushed for parental notification laws, for criminalizing flag desecration, and for the falsehood that Hussein had ties to Al Queda? Without Bill, Hillary is Martha Coakley. If she weren't a woman, would you think she was a progressive-- or just another old Blue Dog triangulator? She CHOSE to sit on WalMart's board when they were even worse than they are today. She betrayed New York state environmentalists. Ah, she's great for professional women like herself. Is there any other "cause" she's ever really fought for? For the rest of us, forget it.

        •  Just spitballin' here, (0+ / 0-)

          but maybe progressives have grown so accustomed to an unresponsive legislative and executive, so resigned to a government that does nothing progressive, that they are content with the symbolic victory of the first woman president followed by 8 years (two terms because of course) of obstruction.

          Whatever the reason, HRC is the neocons' best hope for 2016.  She is more belligerent than Bill, ready to prove beyond all doubt that a woman president can be tough.  It's the Iron Lady syndrome in America.  

          Of course we have a potential woman candidate who really is tough as nails, so she doesn't have to act tough by adopting a belligerent foreign policy.  She's tough domestically, on the issue of the economy.  She's got the stones to stand up to the banksters and the Goldman Sachs mafia at Treasury.  If someone questions her motives, she travels to his state to campaign for his senate opponent.

          If only she'll run...

          "When I was an alien, cultures weren't opinions" ~ Kurt Cobain, Territorial Pissings

          by Subterranean on Sat Jun 21, 2014 at 12:01:03 AM PDT

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  •  Not so quick there. (3+ / 0-)

    Mitt Romney may head the GOP ticket again.

    Is it, "three times a charm?"

    Or was it, "three on a match?"

  •  agree (4+ / 0-)

    I agree, we cannot become coplacent. these asses always find a way to shine a turd into gold.. thats how we got Reagan and Bush JR....... We need to wake up and keep our eye on the ball !!!  We can easily lose '16!

  •  I'm sure GOP pollsters are testing this strategy (2+ / 0-)
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    JML9999, DLWinMI

    As we speak.  

  •  Hillary is not a foregone conclusion. (13+ / 0-)

    Talk about counting your chickens before . . . .

    In 2016, Hillary Clinton will make it six of the last seven . . .
    Complacency.  Worked out well for Eric Cantor, didn't it?

    "The opposite of a profound truth may well be another profound truth.”" -- Paul Dirac

    by Rikon Snow on Fri Jun 20, 2014 at 06:20:53 PM PDT

  •  Ooops there goes that rubber tree plant (3+ / 0-)

    I want 1 less Tiny Coffin, Why Don't You? Support The President's Gun Violence Plan.

    by JML9999 on Fri Jun 20, 2014 at 06:21:04 PM PDT

  •  Republicans won more elections since WWII. (3+ / 0-)

    That must be why our culture is in precipitous decline.

    "It ain't so much the things we don't know that get us in trouble. It's the things we know that ain't so." (Artemus Ward)

    by Silencio on Fri Jun 20, 2014 at 06:22:41 PM PDT

    •  We need to remember that President Eisenhower (... (0+ / 0-)

      We need to remember that President Eisenhower (R) was a better democrat than Obama or Clinton. Nixon was better for the middle class than any who came after him. Unfortunately, when republicans saw how well dishonesty and greed worked, they took one page from his book and one from then Chicago mayor Dailey's book and decided crime pays best.

  •  GOP lost the popular vote in 5 of last 6 elections (9+ / 0-)


    Keep fucking that skewed chicken, Fox.
  •  Because Ike is super relevant to today's GOP. (5+ / 0-)

    Jesus.

    Retrospectives on 25th anniversary of Tiananmen at Chinafile.com

    by Inland on Fri Jun 20, 2014 at 06:30:03 PM PDT

    •  Agree! (0+ / 0-)

      His "chance for peace" speech looks like something that I can't imagine even Democrats like Obama or Clinton making in today's world.  

      (-7.75,-5.64) If you like your $50 a month "healthcare plan"... you are an idiot!

      by Whirlaway on Sat Jun 21, 2014 at 06:36:52 AM PDT

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  •  Hail Hydra! Hail Koch! (4+ / 0-)

    Warning - some snark may be above‽ (-9.50; -7.03)‽ eState4Column5©2013 "If we appear to seek the unattainable, then let it be known that we do so to avoid the unimaginable." (@eState4Column5)

    by annieli on Fri Jun 20, 2014 at 06:33:37 PM PDT

  •  This tells me, as much as anything (12+ / 0-)

    that because of Bush being a two-term disaster with no legacy legs for the party that they are forced back to still getting high off the long-gone feel-good vapors of the Reagan years.

    Who do you have, if you are a Republican, to hero worship?

    Ted Cruz and Rand Paul? Who will get you a massacre in 2016? Palin?

    So they are back to "we won a bunch of times in a row before Justin Beiber was born!!!!!" Good luck with that.

    The overall record is close to .500, and this is cause for crowing? Really?

    Reagan was a long time ago, and Reagan is not the universally respected and beloved juggernaut the Movement Conservative Right dreamed he would be regardless of how much time has passed.

    Worse, they are discovering, to their horror, this. That even with all the time and effort they have put into the legacy and myth-making engine for him, Ronald Reagan is not getting sweepingly remembered by non-Conservatives as a legendarily awesome President. He doesn't have this awe-inspiring hold on people like FDR did. The nation, as a whole, liberal moderate conservative and non-political alike, don't see him as almost single-handedly winning the Cold War. He's remembered as much for Iran-Contra and his mega-deficits as anything.

    These folks are such delicate flowers when you don't listen to them, and you don't believe their hype about how tough they are and how you don't want to mess with them. They need to be enabled. They need you to handicap yourself so they can stay a paper tiger that remains safely wrapped in a mythos of toughness that is bullshit.

    One of the high-on-your-own-supply feel-good memes that just infused itself into Movement Conservatism during the Reagan and post-Reagan years was the idea that, because we had Reagan, Reagan, and then Bush, that this meant we might be living at the dawn of a the post-Democratic era when it came to the Presidency.

    Every bit of Bill Clinton's first and second term was scorched Earth attempts to destroy him, and so something get's lost in the fog of history.

    Republicans dealt with Clinton winning by convincing themselves that it was a fluke. That, as soon as Bubba was done, or removed from office, we would be back in the status quo of, maybe, not having a Democrat be viable for the White House for a generation or more.

    Their bubble has created a scenario where they find out that they have a crisis when they get hit in the face with a shovel.

    Every major Republican golden child for 2016 has been touched by scandal, ineptness, corruption, and a fading shine to their stars. Chris Christie, Marco Rubio, Scott Walker, Bobby Jindal, Nikki Haley. Even Nevada's Brian Sandoval has been remarkably unremarkable as Nevada's Governor. He looks like a professional VP candidate for losing GOP national tickets more than a potential US President.

    Nothing is guaranteed and nothing can be taken for granted, but there is reason for optimism and there is a lot to get engaged about if you are a liberal or Democrat or both.

    The Right getting back to the business of getting high on their old supply of myths is just one more thing to get excited and engaged about.

    "Real journalism is printing what someone else does not want printed. Everything else is public relations." -George Orwell

    by LeftHandedMan on Fri Jun 20, 2014 at 06:33:56 PM PDT

    •  You are, of course, correct. All too often we (4+ / 0-)

      are warned that the mighty repugs are comin' to get us. We hear on TV that they're gonna control the senate and increase their numbers in the house.  No they're not!  Everybody wants to be on board with a winner.  When this kind of talk is bounced all over the airways and online it makes many of us 'feel' weak even though we know better.  

      I don't recommend the kind of confidence the neocons project.  It just makes them look foolish.  I do, however, think that progressives must get on the band wagon and exude some confidence. We have a president who has done and is doing wonderful things even with a congress full of balls and chains.  He just quietly works against the current to accomplish great things in the best and usually only ways he can.  He has taught us that war isn't the only way to respond to conflict.

      Talking positively about him and the progressive movement, telling people what has worked out for the average American and pointing out that all that goes away with repugs in control has to happen or we will defeat ourselves.

      "The pessimist complains about the wind; the optimist expects it to change; the realist adjusts the sails.” — William Arthur Ward

      by cowdab on Fri Jun 20, 2014 at 06:59:02 PM PDT

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    •  Bush damaged the Brand for a generation (1+ / 0-)
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      nocynicism

      he filled the party with goobers,  and it will take
      a major effort to chase them out.

    •  Nicely-done, LHM. (0+ / 0-)

      rec'd

      "I did not have sex with that bridge"

      by Scottsdalian on Sat Jun 21, 2014 at 08:58:05 AM PDT

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  •  Reminds me of the infamous disco stu statement... (4+ / 0-)

    Disco Sales were up 400% from 73 to 76... if these trends continue.  EHHHHH!!!!

    http://www.youtube.com/...

    The Seminole Democrat
    Confronting the criminally insane who rule our state; as well as the apathy of the vast majority who let them.

    by SemDem on Fri Jun 20, 2014 at 06:34:42 PM PDT

    •  We can see here that this is the kind of crap (0+ / 0-)

      that makes them look foolish?  We need to counter it with facts!  Perfect graphic!

      "The pessimist complains about the wind; the optimist expects it to change; the realist adjusts the sails.” — William Arthur Ward

      by cowdab on Fri Jun 20, 2014 at 07:02:21 PM PDT

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  •  That's great, Fox News! (5+ / 0-)

    Now, let me know when (a) you find a way to get anywhere near 270 electoral votes with the current map and (b) get a candidate who isn't batshit insane, unable to win the nod or in danger of getting indicted.

    Oh? You can't do either? Then be quiet.

  •  Examining the post-war era by itself is very much (1+ / 0-)
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    patbahn

    a thing in political science. Going from the Great Depression to the Marshall Plan changed the country, and that's not just Republican propaganda.

    Now, comparing Eisenhower's victories to Bush's, that is kinda stupid, but it's not examination either.

    They tortured people to get false confessions to fraudulently justify our invading Iraq.

    by Ponder Stibbons on Fri Jun 20, 2014 at 06:46:10 PM PDT

  •  Well, that settles it! (1+ / 0-)
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    cowdab

    Because something has happened in a certain pattern since WWII, the election is a forgone conclusion. Why are we even bothering to have an election in '16?
    The Republicans should just choose their candidate and we will acquiesce.

    This will make it all so much easier and cheaper too.

    I guess Fukuyama was right, history really is over.

  •  But (2+ / 0-)
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    earicicle, nocynicism

    that's only because they didn't run a true conservative the other times!  If they just move far enough to the right, they'll win in a landslide.

    Or so they keep saying.

    I shall die, but that is all that I shall do for Death; I am not on his payroll. - Edna St. Vincent Millay

    by Tara the Antisocial Social Worker on Fri Jun 20, 2014 at 06:49:29 PM PDT

  •  Good news for the Miami Heat (1+ / 0-)
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    asindc

    They've won two of the last three titles.

  •  Hey! Bush carried a lot more states than Gore. (0+ / 0-)

    Count it any way you want, all that matters is the electoral college.

    PS -- Good thing for Bill Clinton, eh? He won with 43% in 1992.  Come to thing of it, he didn't get a majority of the popular vote in 1996, either. And -- now that you mention it, Al Gore didn't win a majority of the popular vote in 2000!  He got about the same percentage of the popular vote as John Kerry won in 2004 (48.4% vs 48.3%).

    LG: You know what? You got spunk. MR: Well, Yes... LG: I hate spunk!

    by dinotrac on Fri Jun 20, 2014 at 06:52:51 PM PDT

    •  I do believe that Gore (2+ / 0-)
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      Munchkn, asindc

      did receive the majority of the popular vote in 2000, which made it even more maddening that he lost.

      •  Wait, you believe that? (1+ / 0-)
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        dinotrac

        It's not a matter of belief. As dinotrac noted, Gore was distinctly under 50%+1, just by less than Bush.

        They tortured people to get false confessions to fraudulently justify our invading Iraq.

        by Ponder Stibbons on Fri Jun 20, 2014 at 07:07:15 PM PDT

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      •  He did not. He got 48.4% of the popular vote. (0+ / 0-)

        He won a narrow plurality, but not a majority.

        LG: You know what? You got spunk. MR: Well, Yes... LG: I hate spunk!

        by dinotrac on Fri Jun 20, 2014 at 07:10:46 PM PDT

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        •  Gore didn't win, and SCOTUS didn't "select" Bush (0+ / 0-)

          Get over it, already.  We'll never know who got more votes in Florida, and the method for "counting" those votes was dubious at best, and unfair and illegal at worst.  The SCOTUS ruled that there was no "fair" way to recount the votes in a timely manner, so that the nation could have a president by the time the Clintons were to go.  

          Quit rewriting history.  Gore never lead for one second of one minute, of one hour, of one day of any FINAL count performed during the recount process.  How can anybody say he won?  Because a couple of newspapers manufactured a new count months or years after the election?  Give me a break.  

          You may not like what happened, but Gore lost because Bush/Rove took FL for granted, and Ralph Nader took away enough votes in FL to make it so close that it was within the margin of error for our 2000 system of accurately counting votes.  Bush/Rove took FL seriously in 2004, and won by a ton of votes.

    •  Which is why the author wrote that SCOTUS (1+ / 0-)
      Recommended by:
      Munchkn

      handed Bush Florida by somehow arguing that for that one election only, they could stop the count.

      "Moon landing was real. Evolution exists. Tax cuts lose revenue. The research has shown this a thousand times. Enough already." - Austan Goolsbee

      by anonevent on Fri Jun 20, 2014 at 06:58:54 PM PDT

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      •  The actual argument was a bit more nuanced than (0+ / 0-)

        that.  It was probably a clunker of a decision given what was at stake, but the fact is that Gore never asked for a constitutionally acceptable recount (SCOTUS decided that part on a 7-2 basis, btw) and that the time remaining before the Title 3 drop-dead date of Dec 12 was not sufficient to conduct a constitutionally valid recount.

        Accordingly, the certification of Bush's victory --- after the initial vote and one recount -- was allowed to stand.

        LG: You know what? You got spunk. MR: Well, Yes... LG: I hate spunk!

        by dinotrac on Fri Jun 20, 2014 at 07:17:59 PM PDT

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        •  Nader (4+ / 0-)

          That is all.

          No wait: his voters.  Sorry to post it for the millionth time, but may he rot for what he did.

          •  Gore. He failed to win the votes to take his own (1+ / 0-)
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            Whirlaway

            home state. Had he done that, Florida would never have mattered.

            Ran a terrible campaign.

            LG: You know what? You got spunk. MR: Well, Yes... LG: I hate spunk!

            by dinotrac on Sat Jun 21, 2014 at 06:06:39 AM PDT

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            •  yeah ... a campaign styled to win TENNESSEE (0+ / 0-)

              ... Would have mollified Nader voters and really turned out the Democratic base.

              Come on.

              And of course Bush's campaign was a real juggernaut.

              Nader gave us Bush.  100,000 Florida votes, 537 margin, Supreme Court or not.

              Throw in NH; Gore wins there and FL is irrelevant.

              Ancient history but I will never get over it and it will take decades for the Bush poison to work itself out of the national bloodstream.

              •  Be mad at the right people. Greens always got (0+ / 0-)

                votes. Nothing new about that. Gore ran a crappy campaign, like it or not.  Face it:even if a recount would have flipped the result -- and there is no good reason to believe that it would have -- Gore managed an effective tie with George W. Bush.
                George W Bush!
                That has to be the definition of a bad campaign.

                LG: You know what? You got spunk. MR: Well, Yes... LG: I hate spunk!

                by dinotrac on Sat Jun 21, 2014 at 07:51:01 PM PDT

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  •  Why is it... (5+ / 0-)

    That I don't feel at all comfortable when I read the words "When Hillary is President" (or some such)? Not a slam against Hillary...it's just that it seems so far away at this point in time and I haven't seen any other "candidate" mentioned other than Elizabeth Warren who isn't even going to run.

    Granted, the Republicans that are eyeing the position are no better than the clown fest we saw last time. I don't think this country can survive another Republican President in it's current state if one of these yahoos manages to get elected. I have very little faith in or electoral system right now...

    Men with religious beliefs have killed more people than any god that they have created...

    by Mislead on Fri Jun 20, 2014 at 06:57:01 PM PDT

    •  Exactly (3+ / 0-)
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      That I don't feel at all comfortable when I read the words "When Hillary is President" (or some such)? Not a slam against Hillary...
      And what if, god forbid, something happened to Hillary that prevented her from running?
      Could any of us say with 100% certainty that we will wake up tomorrow morning?
      Not that I wish anything bad to happen to her, I will most likely vote for her if she is the candidate.
      But we really should not be sitting around assuming any election is in the bag.

      She is still a human being, after all.
      And the future is unpredictable for all of us.

      •  Assumptions are bad bad things... (0+ / 0-)

        Sadly, if something bad happened to her there would be such a shout of joy from the Republicans that it would deafen the world (and be quote sickening). Right now it's "Hillary" and a 24 hour "news" cycle of how she once stepped on an ant and felt no remorse.

        She's been vetted 20 times over and yet we are going to be subjected to total nonsense 24/7 for the next two years. Lordy I don't know if I'll even be able to log on to my computer let alone turn on the TeeVee. Thank the heavens for Netflix (o:

        Men with religious beliefs have killed more people than any god that they have created...

        by Mislead on Fri Jun 20, 2014 at 07:50:03 PM PDT

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        •  Yes, much of the nonsense right here on Kos (2+ / 0-)
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          Gay CA Democrat, mimi9
          •  It is not nonsense (1+ / 0-)
            Recommended by:
            mimi9

            for Democrats to argue that they want someone more in tune with Democratic policies and ideals as their nominee.

            I have to say, though, that if something happened health-wise to prevent Hillary from running, the shout of joy from the Republicans would be inevitable - they would not be able to stop themselves - and would just turn even more people off them for their sickening lack of humanity.

        •  And in 2008 (1+ / 0-)
          Recommended by:
          mimi9

          In 2008, the assumption was that Giuliani would be the Republican candidate.   As it turned out, they ended up with a different clown (who chose the world's stupidest politician as his running mate).

          (-7.75,-5.64) If you like your $50 a month "healthcare plan"... you are an idiot!

          by Whirlaway on Sat Jun 21, 2014 at 06:42:08 AM PDT

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  •  Maybe 6 out of 6. 2004 wasn't exactly on the up... (2+ / 0-)
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    cowdab, Munchkn

    Maybe 6 out of 6. 2004 wasn't exactly on the up and up.

  •  One nutpick... (1+ / 0-)
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    patbahn

    No way Ike would have run as a Republican with today's version of the GOP.

    I ride the wild horse .

    by BelgianBastard on Fri Jun 20, 2014 at 07:53:09 PM PDT

  •  Um ... you said "U.S. Supreme Court" (0+ / 0-)

    You must have meant "Nader."

  •  Can't wait for Hillary and the progressive tear... (2+ / 0-)
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    Whirlaway, mimi9

    Can't wait for Hillary and the progressive tears when she begins dancing on the strings of her wall street masters, just like Obama.

    Are you ready for oligarchy? I am!

  •  Fox need to get real...if it can. (1+ / 0-)
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    Whirlaway

    Saying so-and-so won X amount of times doesn't mean shit because it says NOTHING about the circumstances now. So far they don't have a single candidate in their 2016 line up that isn't the political version of a toilet bowl of diarrhea. I mean, Rand-freaking-Paul is so far their strongest guy! What a joke.

    •  Both Rand Paul and Hillary Clinton (0+ / 0-)

      ... are at a disadvantage if the Iraq mess worsens in the next year and a half.   Little Randy has to pretend that he opposes another war but he knows that his bloodthirsty voters want it.  And Clinton will have to explain how come she didn't see this coming when she voted for the war in 2002.

      (-7.75,-5.64) If you like your $50 a month "healthcare plan"... you are an idiot!

      by Whirlaway on Sat Jun 21, 2014 at 06:46:20 AM PDT

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  •  Since 2000, the gop has gone batshit insane (1+ / 0-)
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    PurpleElectric

    the Dem party, after a few years of failing to recognize just how crazy they were, have taken the reins of government and have steered the country toward a better future in spite of the bizarre and obstructive behavior of the gop.

    There, I brought their Chyron up to date.

    You can't make this stuff up.

    by David54 on Fri Jun 20, 2014 at 09:54:09 PM PDT

  •  Can they hear themselves think in the echo cham... (1+ / 0-)
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    ten canvassers

    Can they hear themselves think in the echo chamber? HELLOOOOO IN THERE!

  •  LOL, Hillary already won 2016? (2+ / 0-)
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    Superpole, Whirlaway

    Can I borrow your time shift apparatus?  I'll give you 60% of all my speculation profits...

    "When I was an alien, cultures weren't opinions" ~ Kurt Cobain, Territorial Pissings

    by Subterranean on Fri Jun 20, 2014 at 11:44:09 PM PDT

  •  Did I miss something? When did Clinton even (1+ / 0-)
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    announce she was running?

  •  "In 2016, Hillary Clinton will make it six ...." (0+ / 0-)

    What?!   Are the Democrats going to hand it to her on a platter then?  

    Good that I live in Calif.   I can vote my conscience.  If Clinton is nominated, she is the national version of Dianne Feinstein, as far as my vote goes.   Never voted for Feinstein and never will.

    (-7.75,-5.64) If you like your $50 a month "healthcare plan"... you are an idiot!

    by Whirlaway on Sat Jun 21, 2014 at 06:49:14 AM PDT

  •  I would like to see a left wing statesman run, ... (0+ / 0-)

    I would like to see a left wing statesman run, Bernie Sanders. He's for people, not corporations.

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