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Background Information:

The Main Committees of the United Nations General Assembly are:

The Disarmament and International Security Committee (First Committee);
The Economic and Financial Committee (Second Committee);
The Social, Humanitarian and Cultural Committee (Third Committee);
The Special Political and Decolonization Committee (Fourth Committee);
The Administrative and Budgetary Committee (Fifth Committee) ;
The Legal Committee (Sixth Committee).

Each Main Committee has a Chairman, three Vice-Chairmen and a Rapporteur who are elected every year 'on the basis of equitable geographical distribution'.

These officers are traditionally elected by acclamation, because there is usually only one canidate nominated for each office. The General Assembly's Rules of Procedure (Rule 103) states 'The elections shall be held by secret ballot unless the committee decides otherwise in an election where only one candidate is standing.'

The Special Political and Decolonization Committee (Fourth Committee):

The Special Political and Decolonization Committee deals with a variety of subjects which include those related to decolonization, Palestinian refugees and human rights, peacekeeping, mine action, outer space, public information, atomic radiation and University for Peace.

http://www.un.org/...

This year the Group of Western European and Other States nominated an Israeli, Mordechai Amihai, to be one of the vice-chairs of the Special Political and Decolonization Committee (Fourth Committee).

While last year the EU in its statement to the Fourth Committee stated:

EU Statement - United Nations 4th Committee:
Israeli Practices Affecting Palestinian People

Summary: 8 November 2013, New York - Statement delivered by Delegation of the European Union to the United Nations at the United Nations General Assembly 68th Session Fourth Committee - 23rd Meeting Agenda item 53: Report of the Special Committee to Investigate Israeli Practices Affecting the Human Rights of the Palestinian People and other Arabs of the Occupied Territories

...

The European Union deplores continuing Israeli plans and activities to expand settlements in the West Bank, including in East Jerusalem. Let me also reaffirm the long-held position of the European Union that settlements are illegal under international law, constitute an obstacle to peace and threaten to make a two-State solution impossible. All settlement activity, including in East Jerusalem, should cease immediately. New construction plans should be abandoned.

The European Union condemns in the strongest terms continuing settler violence and deliberate provocations against Palestinian civilians. We call on the Government of Israel to protect Palestinian civilians from violence, bring the perpetrators of any such acts to justice and to comply with its obligations under international law.

The European Union and its Member States also express their deep concern about the worsening living conditions of the Palestinian population in Area C, which is its main land reserve. We are particularly concerned by the instances of collective demolitions in recent months, often resulting in the displacement of Palestinians, including Bedouin communities. ...

http://www.eu-un.europa.eu/...

The votes on the Main Committees' officers were held in the General Assembly on Wednesday.

In response to the nomination of Mr. Amihai the Group of Arab States requested that he not be elected by acclamation, as is traditionally done, and that a secret ballot be held, as specified in the General Assembly's Rules of Procedure.

The representatives of Israel, the UK, the US, and Canada denounced the request of the Group of Arab States.

Speaking before the action, Israel’s representative called the vote an assault on the rules and norms of the United Nations, asking delegates whether it served the General Assembly’s interests or the “hate-filled politics of a small group of nations”.  The Arab Group had presented “fictitious and unfounded” claims, questioning Israel’s eligibility to serve as Vice-Chair and standing against the 28 Western European and Other States.  The vote had set a dangerous precedent, allowing the Organization to be degraded and discredited, he said.

http://www.un.org/...

Remarks on U.S. Support for the Election of Mordechai Amihai of Israel as Vice Chair of the Fourth Committee

Rosemary A. DiCarlo
Deputy Permanent Representative to the United Nations
New York, NY
June 18, 2014

Thank you Mr. Chairman. The United States has asked for the floor to express its regret that a vote was called on the selection of the Israeli delegate as a vice chair of the Fourth Committee. We also regret the decisive and politicized rhetoric we have heard today from those who called for this vote. We believe that, consistent with its usual practice, this body should have elected the Israeli delegate by acclamation. The United States wishes to express its unequivocal support for the election of our Israeli colleague. Mr. Amihai will serve as a worthy and excellent vice chair of the committee, and we congratulate him. Thank you.

http://usun.state.gov/...

The secret ballot was held. Mr. Amihai recieved 74 votes and was elected because only 39 votes were needed for him to be elected.

Guy Rayée, from Belgium, and Iselin Hebbert Larsen, from Norway, each received one vote.

Sixty-eight countries abstained and 15 votes were declared invalid.

The Jerusalem Post categorized Mr. Amihai's election as a victory for Israel at the UN.

Israel scores victory at UN:
Elected to committee on Palestinian refugees

NEW YORK - Mordechai Amihai, Israel’s former consul-general in Turkey, is to represent the Western European and Others Group in the 69th session of the UN General Assembly in September on the Fourth Special Political and Decolonization Committee, which deals in part with Palestinian refugees.

...

http://www.jpost.com/...

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  •  Tip Jar (17+ / 0-)

    The world is bad enough as it is, you have no right to make it any worse.
    Lamb chop, we can quibble what to call it, but I think we can both agree it's creepy.

    by InAntalya on Sat Jun 21, 2014 at 09:21:38 AM PDT

  •  Is this supposed to be a problem? (8+ / 0-)

    Do you want the UN to be an Israel-free zone or something? This is good for the UN.

    •  How is it good for the UN? (8+ / 0-)

      Also, is it good for the Palestinians?

      And, do you want the UN to be a Palestinian-free zone?

      The world is bad enough as it is, you have no right to make it any worse.
      Lamb chop, we can quibble what to call it, but I think we can both agree it's creepy.

      by InAntalya on Sat Jun 21, 2014 at 10:06:32 AM PDT

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    •  If Palestine were admitted as a nation state (13+ / 0-)

      in the UN, then, yea, I would consider an Israeli diplomat as a potential candidate for the UN committee that is responsible for decolonization.

      But this candidate is an employee of the very government that insists that the Palestinians not have a state. Don't you remember the recent freak-out when the Palestinians threatened to seek statehood at the UN after Israel refused, again, to stop building on the West Bank and objected to a Palestinian unity government? Do you have a better recent example of a colonial state attempting to prevent a colony from becoming independent?

      The idea that Israel is somehow frozen out of the UN is ridiculous. The Israeli government does what it wants, knowing that any security council resolution against it will be vetoed by the United States. Israelis serve with distinction in the United Nations in areas such as UNESCO and WHO and FAO.

      But to nominate the employee of a government that occupies territory and maintains a colonial relationship with the Palestinian territories not unlike South Africa did with the bantustans... Well that is a stunningly wrong move.

      “If the misery of the poor be caused not by the laws of nature, but by our institutions, great is our sin.” Charles Darwin

      by ivorybill on Sat Jun 21, 2014 at 10:11:48 AM PDT

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    •  The diarist reported this (1+ / 0-)
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      InAntalya

      and didn't make any judgments about it, so I'm not sure why you're attacking him.

      And while Israel does have a place, and should have a place, at the UN, that place should not be overseeing anything to do with the conflict between Israel and Palestine. There is a clear conflict of interest.

      No War but Class War

      by AoT on Sun Jun 22, 2014 at 08:14:18 AM PDT

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      •  "didn't make any judgments" (1+ / 0-)
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        Uhhh, the beginning of his title is "AYFKM." I think that's reflective of his judgment, wouldn't you say?

        •  Ah, I didnt catch what that was an (1+ / 0-)
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          InAntalya

          acronym for until just now. I stand corrected.

          I still stand by the rest of my comment.

          And while Israel does have a place, and should have a place, at the UN, that place should not be overseeing anything to do with the conflict between Israel and Palestine. There is a clear conflict of interest.

          No War but Class War

          by AoT on Sun Jun 22, 2014 at 09:33:51 AM PDT

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  •  One would think (2+ / 0-)
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    InAntalya, AoT

    Mr. Amihai has some considerable specialized knowledge on the topic.  

  •  Hi InAntalya, (3+ / 0-)
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    InAntalya, btfsilence, AoT

    I'd like to see you weigh in on the issues arising from the potential for Kurdish independence adjacent to SE Turkey.
    Don't worry at the reflexive support for Israel; the Arab reaction, while understandable, is ultimately unproductive. People, here and elsewhere however, are slow to recognize that Bebe Netanyahu's apartheid will ultimately damage Israel, which has strayed far from it's secular, democratic origins. The present troubles there have British origins; Arabs, Jews, and Christians co-existed harmoniously in that place, with complete religious freedom, for over a thousand years. Much as Bush's inept foreign policy has damaged our image in the Arab World; it is far too easy to make enemies, much harder to make friends.
    Oh yeah, I've been meaning to ask, how are those kids doin' back at the farm?

    "the northern lights have seen queer sights, but the queerest they ever did see. Was that night on the marge of Lake Lebarge, I cremated Sam McGee". - Robert Service, Bard of the Yukon

    by Joe Jackson on Sat Jun 21, 2014 at 11:08:18 AM PDT

    •  I've been mulling the subject of (3+ / 0-)
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      the Kurdistan Region of Iraq. And the current Turkish government's positions.

      I hope to write about them soon.

      In short the KRoI has no desire at this time to be independent. There are disagreements between the KRoI and the Iraqi central government but they are not anywhere near a level that would cause the country to split up.

      I think you know that the current president of Iraq is a Kurd and that the next president will almost certainly also be a Kurd.

      The world is bad enough as it is, you have no right to make it any worse.
      Lamb chop, we can quibble what to call it, but I think we can both agree it's creepy.

      by InAntalya on Sat Jun 21, 2014 at 11:38:53 AM PDT

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  •  The bureau of all the GA's main (7+ / 0-)

    committees are rotated amongst the geographic groups.  The groups determine who the nominees for their slots are.  Elections for these positions usually only occur when the group (in this case, WEOG -- the Western Europe and Others Group) is unable to agree amongst themselves.  It is WEOG's turn to chair the Fourth Committee.  This is how the General Assembly operates.  When Israel was excluded by ALL groups (which it was for 60 years), it did not get serve on the bureau of any GA committee, or on other bodies which are apportioned amongst the five groups (WEOG, Eastern Europe, Africa, Asia and the Pacific, Latin America and the Caribbean).  
    The bureaus of GA committees are largely ceremonial.  There is very little substantive content.  They serve to facilitate the actions of the committee (which includes all member states).

    The action to exclude Israel WAS an assault upon the standard procedures of the GA, procedures which have been in operation for almost 70 years.  Most countries realized that, which is why the Israeli Chair was elected.  It was WEOG's turn, and not another group's.  Pure and simple.
     

    •  Yes, I know that but (8+ / 0-)

      putting a country that could easily be considered to be guilty of colonization on a decolonization committee is bizarre. If you want them on a committee put them on another one.

      And I don't buy this 'assault upon the standard procedures of the GA', did the Group of Arab States request something that was against the General Assembly's Rules of Procedure?

      No, just the opposite.

      Rule 103

      Each Main Committee shall elect a Chairman, three Vice-Chairmen and a Rapporteur. In the case of other committees, each shall elect a Chairman, one or more Vice-Chairmen and a Rapporteur. These officers shall be elected on the basis of equitable geographical distribution, experience and personal competence. The elections shall be held by secret ballot unless the committee decides otherwise in an election where only one candidate is standing. The nomination of each candidate shall be limited to one speaker, after which the committee shall immediately proceed to the election.

      It doesn't matter if the 'usual practice' is acclamation. The Group of Arab States asked that the rules for a secret ballot be followed.

      The world is bad enough as it is, you have no right to make it any worse.
      Lamb chop, we can quibble what to call it, but I think we can both agree it's creepy.

      by InAntalya on Sat Jun 21, 2014 at 11:26:18 AM PDT

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      •  Hmmm....so, who else would you drop? (0+ / 0-)

        USA?
        UK?
        Belgium?
        France?
        South Africa?
        Germany?
        Denmark?
        Australia?
        New Zealand?

        The word "parent" is supposed to be a VERB, people...

        by wesmorgan1 on Sat Jun 21, 2014 at 02:30:04 PM PDT

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        •  Drop from what? (3+ / 0-)
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          Flyswatterbanjo, WattleBreakfast, AoT

          And which of the countries you listed could be considered to be guilty of colonization at this time?

          And of those how many have served as officers on this committee?

          The world is bad enough as it is, you have no right to make it any worse.
          Lamb chop, we can quibble what to call it, but I think we can both agree it's creepy.

          by InAntalya on Sat Jun 21, 2014 at 02:47:17 PM PDT

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          •  Well, a few minutes' Google-fu tells us... (0+ / 0-)

            5 officers per term - Chair, 3 Vice-Chairs, and a Rapporteur.

            Colonial powers (or former colonial powers) serving on the committee leadership:

            2010: Australia (Vice-Chair)
            2006: Sweden (Vice-Chair)
            2005: Netherlands (Vice-Chair)
            2004: Austria (Vice-Chair)
            2002: South Africa (Chair)
            2000: Japan (Rapporteur)
            1999: Spain (Vice-Chair)

            Keep in mind that, as far as the UN is concerned, there are no colonial powers remaining; those states with external "dependencies", "overseas departments" or "associations" are not considered colonial in nature. The UN converted League of Nations mandates to a dozen (or so) "trust territories," and the last of those became independent in the mid-1990s.

            Now, I'll grant you that Japan hasn't had colonies since the end of WWII, Sweden hasn't been much of a colonial power for a century, and Austria's colonies fell during the Hapsburg dynasty, but the others?  Not so much...

            If South Africa can chair this committee less than a decade after giving up its last external colonies/territories (Walvis Bay, in Namibia)...and if the Netherlands can provide the Vice-Chair while Aruba, Curacao and Bonaire are considered part of the Netherlands...and if Australia can provide the Vice-Chair while controlling a good number of external islands...and Spain can participate in leadership while controlling Ceuta/Melilla and claiming Gibraltar...

            See what I mean? You can certainly argue that Israel is a colonial settler power, but unless the UN itself designates Israel as such, they're as eligible for this as is any other country.

            The word "parent" is supposed to be a VERB, people...

            by wesmorgan1 on Sat Jun 21, 2014 at 05:36:58 PM PDT

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            •  Israel is the only state actively (1+ / 0-)
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              InAntalya

              conquering territory. That makes it qualitatively different than former colonial powers and powers with external dependencies. Although I would say that powers with external dependencies should be excluded unless they are actively working toward the independence of those dependencies.

              No War but Class War

              by AoT on Sun Jun 22, 2014 at 08:18:38 AM PDT

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              •  as long as such dependencies (2+ / 0-)
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                AoT, InAntalya

                desire independence, I presume.

                Gondwana has always been at war with Laurasia.

                by AaronInSanDiego on Sun Jun 22, 2014 at 09:00:47 AM PDT

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              •  Wow, that could be a pretty long list... (0+ / 0-)

                The word "parent" is supposed to be a VERB, people...

                by wesmorgan1 on Sun Jun 22, 2014 at 09:37:50 AM PDT

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                •  Territorial disputes are not active conquest (1+ / 0-)
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                  InAntalya

                  of territory. The recent land grab by Russia of Crimea is the only remotely comparable active conquest of territory, and even then Russia had the sense to put a fig leaf over that in the form of a referendum, however illegitimate it may have been.

                  No War but Class War

                  by AoT on Sun Jun 22, 2014 at 10:16:32 AM PDT

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                  •  We're splitting hairs either way... (0+ / 0-)

                    One might argue that occupying territory claimed by another nation is a "land grab." This is particularly true of those nations which have moved military forces into disputed areas (e.g. China and the Spratly Islands, South Korea and its live-fire drill yesterday near Dokdo/Takeshima). There's more than a little "eye of the beholder" in these recipes.

                    I'm not particularly interested in the debate except to note that, as I said, the discussion is moot unless/until the UN designates Israel a colonial power. The simple fact is that the General Assembly operates on a simple majoritarian basis.

                    The word "parent" is supposed to be a VERB, people...

                    by wesmorgan1 on Sun Jun 22, 2014 at 11:48:38 AM PDT

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                    •  No, not splitting hairs at all (1+ / 0-)
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                      InAntalya

                      The difference between disagreeing about who owns some land is extremely different than actively fighting and taking more land.

                      War games are not wars. Israel has invaded Palestine and continues to expand, taking land from Palestine. You can pretend that there is some sort of equivalency with other countries that aren't actively fighting, but it simply isn't the same.

                      No War but Class War

                      by AoT on Sun Jun 22, 2014 at 12:24:16 PM PDT

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                      •  I've been watching this exchange and (1+ / 0-)
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                        AoT

                        wondering, since wesmorgan1 is discussing territorial disputes between recognized sovereign states and comparing it to the Palestine/Israel situation, does this indicate that he/she believes that Palestine is also a recognized sovereign state?

                        The world is bad enough as it is, you have no right to make it any worse.
                        Lamb chop, we can quibble what to call it, but I think we can both agree it's creepy.

                        by InAntalya on Sun Jun 22, 2014 at 12:40:17 PM PDT

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                        •  The occupied territories are the only chunk (1+ / 0-)
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                          InAntalya

                          of land in the world that I know of that has people living on it and doesn't belong to some state or another. Most of it isn't even technically disputed, as Israel hasn't gone so far as to claim the right of conquest in regards to the settlements.

                          However, at this point it is only a matter of time before Palestine is recognized as a sovereign state by the international community. After decades of Israel's whining about having it's right to exist recognized even countries that are on the sidelines can see that Israel is doing it's best to stop the Palestinians from exercising their right to a state. I give it 5-10 years before the UN fully admits Palestine as a state. At that point the constant invasions by Israel will be recognized as the war crimes that they are.

                          No War but Class War

                          by AoT on Sun Jun 22, 2014 at 01:52:19 PM PDT

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                          •  A few diplomatic details... (1+ / 0-)
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                            AoT
                            However, at this point it is only a matter of time before Palestine is recognized as a sovereign state by the international community.
                            Palestine currently enjoys full diplomatic relations with 134 States. That's just under 70% of the UN's membership. I'd say that, between these relations, full membership in various intergovernmental bodies (e.g. the Arab League), and "non-member State" status at the UN, the international community has spoken.
                            I give it 5-10 years before the UN fully admits Palestine as a state.
                            That's up to the US, the UK and France. Full UN membership requires a Security Council recommendation, which was blocked by the threat of a US veto when last the matter was raised. Given that Russia and China have maintained diplomatic relations with Palestine since 1988 (when they extended recognition to the PLO), it's fair to say that neither would exercise its Security Council veto against a recommendation.
                            At that point the constant invasions by Israel will be recognized as the war crimes that they are.
                            It should be noted that Palestine's upgrade to "non-member State" status at the UN allows it to enter into treaties and submit matters to the International Criminal Court. The latter point may be the real reason Israel lobbied so strongly against the UN's action; in diplomatic terms, that's a potent weapon...

                            The word "parent" is supposed to be a VERB, people...

                            by wesmorgan1 on Mon Jun 23, 2014 at 07:14:50 AM PDT

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                        •  As of 2012, the UN named Palestine... (0+ / 0-)

                          ...a "non-member State."

                          Prior to this recognition, the PLO held the status of "non-state observer," which put it in a group with observers like the European Union, the International Committee of the Red Cross, the International Olympic Committee, et al. (It's interesting to note a historical parallel; SWAPO held this status for ~15 years, until Namibia joined the UN as a full Member State.)

                          At this time, there are only two such "non-member State observers": Palestine and the Holy See.  Every other State to hold this designation eventually gained Member State status; Switzerland held this status for almost 60 years before becoming a full member in the early 2000s.

                          So the UN views Palestine as a state, albeit not as a full member; full Member State status requires Security Council approval, and the US vetoed the last UNSC resolution on the question.

                          In the sometimes-Byzantine world of UN politics, this creates a situation in which Palestine can join UN organizations as a full Member, even though it is not a Member State. Thus, the Palestinian flag flies in Vienna at UNESCO headquarters (because UNESCO admitted Palestine as a full Member), but not at UN headquarters in New York.

                          So, to answer your original question (by the way, you're allowed to ask directly; it's kind of weird to see oneself referred to in the third person like that when I'm sitting right here...**grin**): if the UN views Palestine as a State, then I see no reason not to compare Palestine/Israel territorial disputes in the same context as we compare disputes among other States.

                          The word "parent" is supposed to be a VERB, people...

                          by wesmorgan1 on Mon Jun 23, 2014 at 06:48:55 AM PDT

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  •  Why is Israel in WeOG? (1+ / 0-)
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    It is a long way from Western Europe.  And the US isn't a member of WeOG, but we can put forth candidates?

    •  Probably because the Africa group (3+ / 0-)

      is loaded with countries that don't recognize Israel and whose official position is that the country should be "driven into the sea"?

      •  Can you name these countries (8+ / 0-)
        that don't recognize Israel and whose official position is that the country should be "driven into the sea"
        with which the the UN African Group is loaded?

        Then we can understand just how 'loaded' with these countries the UN Africa Groups is, or isn't.

        The world is bad enough as it is, you have no right to make it any worse.
        Lamb chop, we can quibble what to call it, but I think we can both agree it's creepy.

        by InAntalya on Sat Jun 21, 2014 at 12:16:11 PM PDT

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        •  Do you really want me to list out the countries in (0+ / 0-)

          Africa that don't recognize Israel? I'll give you a few but if you want it al this isn't hard to find, Wikipedia even has a full article on it.

          http://en.wikipedia.org/...

          Saudi Arabia
          UAE
          Tunisia
          Yemen
          Sudan
          Somalia
          Qatar
          Niger
          Morrocco
          et al.

          •  Are you really that stupid? (2+ / 0-)
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            Saudi Arabia, UAE, Yemen, and Qatar are not in Africa or in the UN Africa Group.

            So you don't have any evidence to support your claim that

            the Africa group is loaded with countries that don't recognize Israel and whose official position is that the country should be "driven into the sea"

            The world is bad enough as it is, you have no right to make it any worse.
            Lamb chop, we can quibble what to call it, but I think we can both agree it's creepy.

            by InAntalya on Sun Jun 22, 2014 at 02:36:17 AM PDT

            [ Parent ]

            •  I thought those 4 were too (0+ / 0-)

              My mistake. No need to call me "stupid," why not just be a little more respectful, sheesh.

              Statement still stands that most of the Africa group do not recognize Israel, which is the obvious answer in response to the question to which I was responding, "Why isn't Israel in the Africa Group."

              "Driven into the sea" is obviously hyperbole based on the Hamas charter. These countries all want Israel erased. That's the same as driven into the sea in my mind. These countries are on the side of Hamas vs. Israel.

              •  There are 54 countries in the UN African Group (1+ / 0-)
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                and nowhere near most, not even anywhere near a half or a third, of them do not recognize Israel.

                And this ... well I'll just not say it:

                These countries all want Israel erased. That's the same as driven into the sea in my mind. These countries are on the side of Hamas vs. Israel.

                The world is bad enough as it is, you have no right to make it any worse.
                Lamb chop, we can quibble what to call it, but I think we can both agree it's creepy.

                by InAntalya on Sun Jun 22, 2014 at 09:24:55 AM PDT

                [ Parent ]

          •  You falsely equate recognition of Israel (1+ / 0-)
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            InAntalya

            with saying that it should be "driven into the sea."

            No War but Class War

            by AoT on Sun Jun 22, 2014 at 08:19:50 AM PDT

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      •  Israel is in Asia (2+ / 0-)
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        which, in fact, is loaded with countries that don't recognize Israel and whose official position is that the country should be "driven into the sea"

        •  More bullshit to debunk. (1+ / 0-)
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          AoT

          Of the 53 countries in the UN Asian Group, of which Israel is not a member, 34 recognize Israel:

          Cambodia, China, Cyprus, Fiji, India, Japan, Jordan, Kazakhstan, Kyrgyzstan, Lao PDR, Maldives, Marshall Islands, Micronesia, Mongolia, Myanmar, Nauru, Nepal, Palau, Papua New Guinea, Philippines, Republic of Korea, Samoa, Singapore, Solomon Islands, Sri Lanka, Tajikistan, Thailand, Timor-Leste, Tonga, Turkmenistan, Tuvalu, Uzbekistan, Vanuatu, and Viet Nam

          and 19 do not recognize Israel:

          Afghanistan, Bahrain, Bangladesh, Bhutan, Brunei Darussalam, DPRK, Indonesia, Iran, Iraq, Kuwait, Lebanon, Malaysia, Oman, Pakistan, Qatar, Saudi Arabia, Syrian AR, UAE, and Yemen.

          So on the 'don't recognize Israel' part, does 19 of 53 (35%) equal 'loaded with'?

          Definition of 'be loaded with sth': to contain a lot of something

          http://dictionary.cambridge.org/...

          It depends on what you consider 'a lot of' to mean in this context.

          Now, on to the 'whose official position is that the country should be "driven into the sea"' part.

          How many of these 19 countries have this position? And do try to back up your claims with facts - keeping in mind that non-recognition of one country by another does not equal having an official position that the non-recognized country should be "driven into the sea".

          Then we will be able to determine just whether or not

          Asia, in fact, is loaded with countries that don't recognize Israel and whose official position is that the country should be "driven into the sea"

          The world is bad enough as it is, you have no right to make it any worse.
          Lamb chop, we can quibble what to call it, but I think we can both agree it's creepy.

          by InAntalya on Sun Jun 22, 2014 at 06:59:20 AM PDT

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        •  Thanks Al Abama (0+ / 0-)

          My bad, appreciate the clarity. Wasn't sure how the UN splits up the Asia/Africa line since the "Middle East" is such its own area and nobody in the US thinks of those countries as "Asian."

    •  I guess the Palestinian state (2+ / 0-)
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      will be invited to join the WeOG when admitted.  

  •  And they say irony is dead (4+ / 0-)

    "When dealing with terrorism, civil and human rights are not applicable." Egyptian military spokesman.

    by Paleo on Sat Jun 21, 2014 at 03:01:11 PM PDT

  •  This doesn't seem any different... (2+ / 0-)
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    from the large number of serious human rights abusers on the UN Human Rights Committee.

    I would certainly welcome an explanation of the difference.  

  •  should this person be judged (0+ / 0-)

    as an individual rather than by the country he comes from? Does he bear responsibility for the policies of the Israeli government?

    Gondwana has always been at war with Laurasia.

    by AaronInSanDiego on Sat Jun 21, 2014 at 06:19:02 PM PDT

    •  The US doesn't consider him an individual. (2+ / 0-)
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      They consider him to be 'Israel'. Check the US statement.

      ... questioning Israel’s eligibility to serve as Vice-Chair ...

      The world is bad enough as it is, you have no right to make it any worse.
      Lamb chop, we can quibble what to call it, but I think we can both agree it's creepy.

      by InAntalya on Sun Jun 22, 2014 at 12:38:08 AM PDT

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      •  isn't that in response to those who (1+ / 0-)
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        questioned his eligibility on that basis? That shows that those raising the issue consider him to be "Israel", and the US is addressing the eligibility of Israel. I don't think it answers my question though.

        Gondwana has always been at war with Laurasia.

        by AaronInSanDiego on Sun Jun 22, 2014 at 08:38:26 AM PDT

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        •  In the UN do representatives and delegates (2+ / 0-)
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          act independently of their governments?

          I work with diplomats sometimes and my understanding is that they don't, and that everything they (UN representatives and delegates) do is considered to have been decided on, directed by, and in the name of their government's.

          Mr. Amihai may be a fine very capable person. I have heard nothing negative about him and he used to work in Turkey.

          But in this case he as an individual is not being elected, his government is, as I understand it.

          The world is bad enough as it is, you have no right to make it any worse.
          Lamb chop, we can quibble what to call it, but I think we can both agree it's creepy.

          by InAntalya on Sun Jun 22, 2014 at 09:14:26 AM PDT

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    •  He is at the UN solely as a representative (2+ / 0-)
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      of the government of Israel, not as an individual, as are all representatives at the UN.

      No War but Class War

      by AoT on Sun Jun 22, 2014 at 09:20:06 AM PDT

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  •  indigenous (3+ / 0-)
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    You do realize that the Jewish people are the indigenous people to the land of Israel? How can they be "colonizing" land that is theirs?

    •  I had a house in the US years ago, (1+ / 0-)
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      and left it when I came to Turkey. I'm sure the people who own it now will be happy to just give it back to me if I go back to America and show up in their front yard.

      The world is bad enough as it is, you have no right to make it any worse.
      Lamb chop, we can quibble what to call it, but I think we can both agree it's creepy.

      by InAntalya on Sun Jun 22, 2014 at 12:32:34 AM PDT

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      •  Are you saying you don't support the Palestinian (0+ / 0-)

        "right of return" in most cases?

        •  Notice I said I left. (2+ / 0-)
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          I didn't say I was forced out of a house to which I had legal title.

          The world is bad enough as it is, you have no right to make it any worse.
          Lamb chop, we can quibble what to call it, but I think we can both agree it's creepy.

          by InAntalya on Sun Jun 22, 2014 at 02:22:11 AM PDT

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          •  Somewhat hypocritical response (1+ / 0-)
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            Are you seriously suggesting that Jews weren't forced out
            of Hebron in 1929, or East Jerusalem in 1949?

            Yes, each Jew was forced out of a house to which he or she had legal title.

            •  I know that you are loath to be balanced, but (0+ / 0-)

              back this up with some numbers and details and then try, I know it's hard for you, to balance that with details and numbers about how many Palestinians were forced out of houses to which they had legal title.

              The world is bad enough as it is, you have no right to make it any worse.
              Lamb chop, we can quibble what to call it, but I think we can both agree it's creepy.

              by InAntalya on Sun Jun 22, 2014 at 07:08:02 AM PDT

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          •  Many Palestinian refugees "left" too (1+ / 0-)
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            There's always been historical debate about the percentages that were kicked out and the percentages that left on their own accord. Many were not willing to live in a country that was run by Jews.

            •  Also many Arabs immigrated to pre-Israel Palestine (1+ / 0-)
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              They were attracted to the jobs and opportunites in the land.

              •  Yes, the above two points (0+ / 0-)

                are part of the story. The problem comes when people insist that they are the only two parts.

                The only thing I object to is the use of the word 'many' in both comments - 'a number of' might be more correct.

                The world is bad enough as it is, you have no right to make it any worse.
                Lamb chop, we can quibble what to call it, but I think we can both agree it's creepy.

                by InAntalya on Sun Jun 22, 2014 at 05:32:34 PM PDT

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    •  Because they are creating colonies (1+ / 0-)
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      on land that they've seized by force. They've been away from that land longer than they lived there.

      No War but Class War

      by AoT on Sun Jun 22, 2014 at 08:26:29 AM PDT

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