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Sure. I know what you are thinking:

"The TPP will not make us surfs subservient enough, and besides, it will be debated in public for at least 20 minutes before it is ratified by Multinational Corporations Congress, so we may have to think about it. Disappointing."
Fear not. International Bankers to the rescue. They have a plan. And you have a place in it, Serf.

2014.06.19 Wikileaks leaked a secret draft of the Trade in Services Agreement (TISA) Financial Services Annex, a document that outlines rules the parties to the secret negotiation intend to supersede the WTO and status quo of national laws that would conflict with it.

But if you think this sounds like a replay of the TPP, you are wrong, because negotiation of this agreement has not only been conducted secretively, but has been classified and is intended to remain so. Enter Wikileaks, with appropriate drama.

Rejoice! After the fold is something for everyone. You were enjoying your Sunday too much.

Reference Documents - Suggested Reading to Understand this Subject

WARNNG: The below list of documents includes some from Wikileaks Website. Persons hitting the links should only do so with the understanding your IP address may be logged by government agencies. You take responsibility. JUST DO IT.
Wikileaks Website Links

Press Release - TISA Financial Services Annex explaining the scope
Secret Trade in Services Agreement (TISA) - Financial Services Annex subject page
Trade in Services Agreement (TISA) Financial Services Annex Text (PDF)
Memorandum on Leaked TISA Financial Services Text - Analysis (PDF)

External Document Referenced by Wikileaks & Their Analyst

On the Wrong Side of Globalization, Joseph E. Stiglitz
U.S. Foreign Trade in Services: Trends & Policy Challenges, Congressional Research Ser.
TISA versus Public Services, Public Services International
Public Citizen's Finance Regulation Factsheet
Our World is Not for Sale Factsheet on TISA

From the Wikileaks Press Release:

Today, WikiLeaks released the secret draft text for the Trade in Services Agreement (TISA) Financial Services Annex, which covers 50 countries and 68.2% of world trade in services. The US and the EU are the main proponents of the agreement, and the authors of most joint changes, which also covers cross-border data flow. In a significant anti-transparency manoeuvre by the parties, the draft has been classified to keep it secret not just during the negotiations but for five years after the TISA enters into force.

Despite the failures in financial regulation evident during the 2007-2008 Global Financial Crisis and calls for improvement of relevant regulatory structures, proponents of TISA aim to further deregulate global financial services markets. The draft Financial Services Annex sets rules which would assist the expansion of financial multi-nationals – mainly headquartered in New York, London, Paris and Frankfurt – into other nations by preventing regulatory barriers. The leaked draft also shows that the US is particularly keen on boosting cross-border data flow, which would allow uninhibited exchange of personal and financial data.

TISA negotiations are currently taking place outside of the General Agreement on Trade in Services (GATS) and the World Trade Organization (WTO) framework. However, the Agreement is being crafted to be compatible with GATS so that a critical mass of participants will be able to pressure remaining WTO members to sign on in the future. Conspicuously absent from the 50 countries covered by the negotiations are the BRICS countries of Brazil, Russia, India and China. The exclusive nature of TISA will weaken their position in future services negotiations.

The draft text comes from the April 2014 negotiation round - the sixth round since the first held in April 2013. The next round of negotiations will take place on 23-27 June in Geneva, Switzerland.

A deep dive into the documents ruined my weekend recreation time, but I do recommend this to anyone who thinks:

•  the citizens of nations should have a say in the economic policies that shape our lives

•  countries should not surrender sovereignty to Multinational Corporations

•  countries should not give International Banks unrestricted access to citizens data

•  international trade, finance and legal agreements should be fully vetted in public with adequate time and means for public debate BEFORE they are ratified and should be transparent in every respect with NO secrets

If the above is important to you, I recommend that you at least read the excellent analysis (brief and to the point) by Professor Jane Kelsey of the Faculty of Law, University of Auckland, New Zealand, and the draft Annex itself.

Professor Kelsey does a far better job of explaining key points than I would, but a few points I think worth noting are:

•  It would significantly liberalize regulations governing trans-national financial and banking services, and trans-national direct investment.

•  It provides the very financial institutions that failed to effectively self-regulate, causing a protracted global recession, a greater degree of freedom and ultimately subordinates governments to their will as it requires national law to conform to the (final) terms of the agreement which are being negotiated for their (the banks) ultimate benefit, and;

•  Contains a "ratchet" mechanism that forces liberalization of financial services while holding at a standstill regulatory controls, and blocking new regulations that would strengthen controls on financial institutions.

•  The agreement is being negotiated outside of the WTO by a group of 50 nations lead by the USA and excludes the BRIC nations (although China and Uruguay have expressed an interest to participate, but have been excluded); in this respect it seems to be predicated on maintaining US-European economic hegemony in trade agreements. Kelsey provides a concise account of how some of the main protagonists in this negotiation are the nations the undermined open and fair negotiations in the WTO Doha Round they now seek to circumvent (Stiglitz goes deeper).

•  The USA is pressing for data "protection" clauses that, in effect, would provide financial institutions free access to consumer financial data across borders and "protects" them from having to disclose information to consumers, making them less transparent. As the German Newspaper Süddeutsche Zeitung headline suggests, "USA greifen nach Kontodaten europäischer Bürger"  ("USA grabs account data of European citizens") this might meet some resistance by European regulators.

•  The overall secrecy of the negotiations has far exceeded even that of the TPP, with drafts and memos being treated a classified information. To understand the USTR position on this refer to Techdirt's USTR's Anti-Transparency Rules For TAFTA/TTIP Documents Published, where the Doublespeak is on full, maddening, display.

I could go on, but seriously, Professor Kelsey does the subject justice so I defer to her.

And I'm still digesting the contents, if not my dinner.

Dare I wonder how Ms Clinton will triangulate this?

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Comment Preferences

  •  Tough choice between TPP and Cheney... (42+ / 0-)

    But relevancy won out this time -- TPP.

    "If one would give me six lines written by the hand of the most honest man, I would find something in them to have him hanged." - 17th-century French clergyman and statesman Cardinal Richelieu.

    by markthshark on Sun Jun 22, 2014 at 12:22:06 PM PDT

  •  WTF .... what did I do now? (34+ / 0-)

    My original Tip Jar did not publish?

    It was supposed to be the awesome Ana Tijoux - Desclasificado

    Give Ana some love.

    "Classified", my ass, suckers.

    No one is coming to save us, the future is in our hands.

    by koNko on Sun Jun 22, 2014 at 12:37:37 PM PDT

    •  Are you on Facebook? (5+ / 0-)
      Recommended by:
      koNko, Smoh, elwior, dkmich, Situational Lefty

      Go in there and see where you are signed in from. Close anything not right now especially for San Jose. DK will work better.

      I need your support, my paypal is: boothie68@gmail.com

      by Horace Boothroyd III on Sun Jun 22, 2014 at 12:55:59 PM PDT

      [ Parent ]

      •  No, I'm no a Facebook user (12+ / 0-)

        I log in my original account here.

        In fact, I use Ghostery to block the Facebook/other trackers and widgets here, otherwise the page won't load with my crappy bandwidth.

        In fact, recently, I have great trouble loading Dkos.

        No one is coming to save us, the future is in our hands.

        by koNko on Sun Jun 22, 2014 at 01:01:21 PM PDT

        [ Parent ]

        •  I strongly suggest you get a security sweep (6+ / 0-)
          Recommended by:
          koNko, Smoh, elwior, G2geek, Betty Pinson, JesseCW

          done to ensure you have no gremlins. Some people that don't agree with commenters/posters are not playing by the rules. And one of many things I've discovered is when I cut off their access DK actually works.

          I need your support, my paypal is: boothie68@gmail.com

          by Horace Boothroyd III on Sun Jun 22, 2014 at 01:08:40 PM PDT

          [ Parent ]

          •  what's this, and how did you... (0+ / 0-)

            Some commenters/posters not playing by the rules: what, specifically?

            You cut off their access:  How?

            What's this about?

            We got the future back. Uh-oh.

            by G2geek on Sun Jun 22, 2014 at 03:30:47 PM PDT

            [ Parent ]

            •  I disabled all the apps on my phone (2+ / 0-)
              Recommended by:
              Betty Pinson, JesseCW

              After playing hunt and peck as they exploited one after the other.

              My verification is through gossip. But not in the way it seems. I wrote a story and left it in my note pad. Within a day I had people reacting to it. After two weeks I was getting word that I was "scary".

              You don't get to judge me if you are spying on my private stuff.

              I know who it is. Sadly they are driven by jealousy, such is the life of a Twink.

              I need your support, my paypal is: boothie68@gmail.com

              by Horace Boothroyd III on Sun Jun 22, 2014 at 03:41:14 PM PDT

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              •  if I understand what you're saying: (2+ / 0-)

                You wrote a story (a DK diary, or a story as in a work of fiction?).  You left it in your note pad (presumably something similar to a word processor, or literally NotePad in Windows?), which is supposed to be private data storage (on the device or in the "cloud"?).

                Which people were "reacting" to it?, and how did you know?

                How did you identify someone who is spying on your stuff?

                What's a "Twink"?

                And if someone on DK is hacking your device, why not report them to Mods and have them banned?

                For that matter, why not post a diary describing what happened?, minus the names of the perps so it's not a "call-out" diary, though posting screen-shots of evidence of hacking, in your comments in the diary, might not be considered a "call-out".

                We got the future back. Uh-oh.

                by G2geek on Sun Jun 22, 2014 at 04:46:52 PM PDT

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                •  Notepad on my iPad (5+ / 0-)

                  Why not report?

                  I have reports rotting and ignored from 2011.

                  The only thing holding me up at this point is I'm trying to see how many of the admin are aware of this. The person that said I was scary is a "featured" writer in the Bay Area which to me indicates this is something they are already aware of. I'm betting the stolen story makes every computer that it ended up on mine. And I want them to sweat.

                  I'm going to proceed with this, I have a GF in the security field which helps, mostly because they are too well practiced for me to be their first victim.

                  I'm talking deleted emails and messages and other things that fuck with people's personal lives. Not to mention having to scrap one computer after another because they fucked them up so bad.

                  You know about the help desk troll right? Did you ever ask yourself why they are so angry at DK especially certain members? Fuckery like I've experienced can do that to a person.

                  I'm going to use legal means to combat them, because that is how I do things. That does not mean I'm any less angry.

                  I need your support, my paypal is: boothie68@gmail.com

                  by Horace Boothroyd III on Sun Jun 22, 2014 at 05:02:24 PM PDT

                  [ Parent ]

                  •  These people are called "not-rights" in the Sac... (3+ / 0-)

                    These people are called "not-rights" in the Sacramento area. For want of a better term, they're a loosely-organized kind of street gang, but they're very technically apt, as you yourself have discovered.

                    I've run into them too, and you have my sympathies. They usually don't get this sloppy about things, though. Most of the time, the proof that they were working is in what is missing or altered, with no way to prove otherwise.

                    I wish you luck. You're going to need it. And please be careful... These people are vicious and vindictive when crossed.

                    •  That reply was meant for Horace. G2g"s advice i... (0+ / 0-)

                      That reply was meant for Horace. G2g"s advice is exactly wrong in every way and will produce the exact opposite intended result.

                      One wonders why a person would give exactly wrong advice. One also wonders why Trolls do what they do on Web forums. The one doesn't necessarily have anything at all to do with the other. Saying both in the same post may or may not be taken as an accusation.

                      •  "one wonders," doesn't one? (2+ / 0-)
                        Recommended by:
                        harrylimelives, CanyonWren

                        "These people are called "not-rights" ...they're a loosely-organized kind of street gang, but they're very technically apt...  G2g"s advice is exactly wrong in every way and will produce the exact opposite intended result. ...  One wonders why a person would give exactly wrong advice."

                        Right.  Wonder no more, grasshopper:  I deliberately gave Horace bad advice because I'm obviously a member of the Not-Rights, as well as the Trilateral Commission and the Reptilian Overlords, and I'm trying to turn Horace into a Zombie who will do our bidding.  

                        After we get done with Horace, we'll start working on you, starting with giving you secret commands through your tooth fillings, after we wage galactic warfare against the Grays who are presently monopolizing the dental radio frequencies.  You're a valuable prize, because whoever controls you, controls all of space out to three parsecs from here.  Bet you didn't know that either, huh?  

                        "One wonders" why I'm telling you this, and where the secret space cruiser is parked.  

                        Tune in next week.

                        Same batty time.

                        Same batty channel.

                        We got the future back. Uh-oh.

                        by G2geek on Sun Jun 22, 2014 at 08:23:03 PM PDT

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                    •  Oh I have friends with masks on my back (1+ / 0-)
                      Recommended by:
                      Betty Pinson

                      If something happens to me I don't even have to say anything.

                      I need your support, my paypal is: boothie68@gmail.com

                      by Horace Boothroyd III on Sun Jun 22, 2014 at 05:49:35 PM PDT

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        •  so do I. (4+ / 0-)

          The prospect of Mark Zuckerberg, and Sergey & Larry, tracking everything we do online, is revolting.

          I'd trust NSA before I'd trust Facebook and Google.

          We got the future back. Uh-oh.

          by G2geek on Sun Jun 22, 2014 at 03:32:25 PM PDT

          [ Parent ]

          •  I'd trust NSA before I'd trust Facebook and Google (7+ / 0-)

            -what a sorry State we have come to.

            We are all pupils in the eyes of God.

            by nuclear winter solstice on Sun Jun 22, 2014 at 05:41:26 PM PDT

            [ Parent ]

            •  an especially sorry state because... (2+ / 0-)

              ... so many progressives have fallen for the shiny consumer blandishments of Google & Facebook, failing to recognize both of them for what they are.

              Example:  If you're on Facebook, everything you do online gets reported back to Facebook: every web page you visit that has the little Facebook icon on it, that icon is a tracking beacon that reports that you have been there.

              Example:  If you're on Facebook and you "friend" too many people with bad credit ratings, your own credit rating will get dinged.  That's called "poor by association."  Nice way to "discourage" class solidarity, eh?

              Example:  Google Voice uses keyword recognition not only on messages in its voicemail system, but also on live conversations.  Google Voice has the technical capacity to record 100% of the phone calls passing through it, and I have direct evidence of that, first hand, which I'm going to publish as a diary one of these days.

              Keyword search "google" + "privacy," using Ixquick or DuckDuckGo or even Bing, and read up.  

              We got the future back. Uh-oh.

              by G2geek on Sun Jun 22, 2014 at 08:34:51 PM PDT

              [ Parent ]

              •  I don't think your cedit can be dinged for (0+ / 0-)

                Friending people with bad credit.

                Of course, life is increasingly weird, and maybe you are right.

                Do you have links for this? And if true, wouldn't friending a lot of rich celebrities then make up for  the poorer people you have friended?

                •  I have a link somewhere for it... (2+ / 0-)

                  ... the original article was either in BBC or ArsTechnica, but I don't have time to dig for it now.  I made damn sure to save that link because the claim is so "extreme."  

                  "Friending" celebrities doesn't count unless they "friend" you back and there's a log of communication.  

                  We got the future back. Uh-oh.

                  by G2geek on Mon Jun 23, 2014 at 01:50:52 AM PDT

                  [ Parent ]

          •  Trust Neither (0+ / 0-)

            Facebook doesn't do renditions, they sell you one piece at a time.

            The paranoid lunatics won the last round, LOL, just lunatics.

            No one is coming to save us, the future is in our hands.

            by koNko on Sun Jun 22, 2014 at 10:37:24 PM PDT

            [ Parent ]

        •  could you help some of us who're interested (1+ / 0-)
          Recommended by:
          BMScott

          in personal internet security navigate some of the tools that are available, especially for the average citizen? I run PeerBlock and sometimes a VPN, but I expect that such things are kibble to a dedicated hacker or the NSA.

          I don't think (?) I have any need to go completely dark, and I recognize there's a balance between convenience and privacy, but I really would like to know what kinds of tools are out there, what they do, and how effective they really are.

          Thanks.

  •  I'm just going to say it aloud: I have NO idea (13+ / 0-)

    what many of the terms used in that paper mean.

    Therefore, I really can't conclude just how bad this is.

    But as to secrecy... this just scares the shit out of me that these kinds of things are negotiated in secret, though corporations are obviously involved. We mere minions, however, are blind. Serfs... you got it right.

    The only hawk I like is the kind that has feathers. My birding blogs: http://thisskysings.wordpress.com/ and canyonbirds.net

    by cany on Sun Jun 22, 2014 at 01:10:13 PM PDT

    •  Okay, I'll bite: I call BS. (1+ / 0-)
      Recommended by:
      where4art

      It is literally impossible under the constitution of the United States for a treaty to be passed "classified" and "secret". End of story. A treaty can be drafted in secret, but there's no news story there, all treaties are drafted in secret. It's only what comes up when they're done that matters, that's when they're debated. Treaties must pass both houses and be signed by the president before they become legal, and during this time, treaties, like all laws up for debate, are fully public. Congress cannot pass a law whose wording is classified. There are no "classified laws" whose rules you can't see. And the concept that there would be is idiotic - how are people supposed to follow a law that they don't know exists? If this is some massively deregulating treaty, how are people going to know what regulations they no longer need to follow if they don't know what was deregulated?

      The whole concept is idiotic, and I can't believe anyone buys into it.

      Not that the new treaty doesn't exist. It's hardly some sort of secret - they even have their own website announcing precisely what they're trying to negotiate, and it's the exact same sort of deregulation crap that was "shockingly revealed" in this draft. The US Chamber of Commerce has their own website on it too. And wow, news flash, shocker of all shockers, the sequel to the massively deregulating GATS is a massively deregulating treaty, stop the presses!

      Here's just an excerpt of what the Chamber of Commerce says they're trying to accomplish with TISA:

      Even so, the potential for service industries to engage in international trade is almost untapped. One in four U.S. factories exports, but just one in every 20 providers of business services does so. Just 3% of U.S. services output is exported, according to the Peterson Institute for International Economics.

      Exports of services can take different paths. To illustrate, a U.S.-based software company can export its products via the Internet (“cross-border trade,” known as mode 1), provide training to its staff based in Spanish-speaking countries in Panama (“consumption abroad,” mode 2), sell service contracts through a Japanese affiliate (“commercial presence,” mode 3), and employ a Dutch national with an H-1B visa at its headquarters (“movement of natural persons,” mode 4).

      Companies rely on all four modes of delivery because they are not perfect substitutes for one another. To achieve its full potential, the TISA must provide liberalization across all four modes of delivery for services.

      As its chief goals, the TISA should expand access to foreign markets for U.S. service industries and ensure they receive national and most-favored nation treatment. It should also lift foreign governments’ sectoral limits on investment in services.

      In addition, the TISA should seek to eliminate regulatory inconsistencies that at times loom as trade barriers. It should encourage U.S. trading partners to follow the principles that underlie U.S. administrative law and the APEC-OECD joint regulatory checklist. These principles include increased transparency and public participation, clear central coordination, evidence-based regulation, accountability under the law, and impartiality.

      The TISA should safeguard cross-border data flows. In today’s global economy, companies often move data across borders to create new products, enhance productivity, deter fraud, protect consumers, and grow their business. Recent studies estimate that within ten years products and services reliant on cross-border data flows will add over $1 trillion annually to the global economy, with the United States at the fore.

      To seize these benefits, the TISA should prohibit restrictions on legitimate cross‐border information flows and bar local infrastructure mandates relating to data storage. It should also promote international standards, transparency and predictability; ensure that cloud computing services are freely available, regardless of facility or end-user location; and recognize that governments may take different approaches to reach equivalent outcomes as they work to assure privacy.

      Finally, the TISA should include rules to ensure that private companies are not put at a disadvantage when they compete with state-owned enterprises (SOEs) and other national champions. It should guard against anti-competitive behavior by SOEs and ensure a level playing field.

      The payoff from the TISA could be huge. Eliminating barriers to trade in services could boost U.S. services exports by as much as $860 billion—up from 2012’s record $632 billion—to as much as $1.4 trillion, according to the Peterson Institute. Such a dramatic increase could create as many as three million American jobs.

      What about this horribly "secret draft" isn't basically exactly the sort of deregulation stuff that they're publicly saying it is?

      The day I'll consider justice blind is the day that a rape defendant's claim of "She consented to the sex" is treated by the same legal standards as a robbery defendant's claim of "He consented to give me the money": as an affirmative defense.

      by Rei on Mon Jun 23, 2014 at 02:57:14 AM PDT

      [ Parent ]

      •  Provide us complete draft please. (0+ / 0-)

        That would settle the issue, because (a) the US Chamber of Commerce is not actually in control of this process and (b) hardly represents the interests of anyone but it's declining corporate membership.

        And while you are at it, cite some examples where any universally applicable and fair trade agreement has ever been negotiated and agreed.

        This agreement has been negotiated in secret and the leak of this draft provides some badly needed transparency, so is being treated as news by plenty of legitimate news organizations and analysts.

        If this was an open process, there would be no need for governments to complain about public speculation because the public would have the "facts".

        No one is coming to save us, the future is in our hands.

        by koNko on Mon Jun 23, 2014 at 06:17:08 AM PDT

        [ Parent ]

      •  Apparently, you missed this part... (0+ / 0-)
        I'm just going to say it aloud: I have NO idea what many of the terms used in that paper mean.

        Therefore, I really can't conclude just how bad this is.

        Furthermore, there is nothing in the following sentence that isn't facturally true:
        But as to secrecy... this just scares the shit out of me that these kinds of things are negotiated in secret, though corporations are obviously involved.

        And this...

        We mere minions, however, are blind. Serfs... you got it right.
        Is my feeling about the entire matter.

        I really don't know what caused your reaction, Rei. I always assume that the light of day helps overcome the fears of not knowing. If you support doing things behind the curtain, that's cool. I just don't happen to agree with that and I would bet others don't either.

        And just like NAFTA worked out so well--NAFTA being something I strongly opposed--I don't trust that this treaty will do anything better. It may, but I don't KNOW that.

        My point being that because I don't understand the language in the doc (this isn't my field), I can't make conclusions about it's extent of good or bad. Surely I'm not alone in this as most of we were mortals are neither legal experts on trade or attorneys who practice international law of any kind.

        The only hawk I like is the kind that has feathers. My birding blogs: http://thisskysings.wordpress.com/ and canyonbirds.net

        by cany on Mon Jun 23, 2014 at 09:41:31 AM PDT

        [ Parent ]

  •  Poll (8+ / 0-)

    An "all of the above" option would have been good, too.  Of course, they could all be the same evil incarnate in perpetual reincarnation.  It would explain a few things.

    Mediocrities, entrusted with power over their fellow- creatures, invariably develop into tyrants. All history proves it. - Frederick Baron Corvo

    by penelope pnortney on Sun Jun 22, 2014 at 01:11:19 PM PDT

    •  Vlad, I went Vlad. (1+ / 0-)
      Recommended by:
      koNko

      All Vlad. Pikes. Entrails. Iron Soup.

      How can a lone merchant like me ever expect to get anywhere now? Sign the NDA & become one of us! Is that my blood in the ink? Why, yes it is... drew fresh this am. Hello Mr. Conrad.

      Nullify?

      Hello crypto!?

      Maybe become "virtual?" Keep traditional digits, to keep me in the system for kicks? Border traceable... errr, approved for travel 'n trade?

      You gots the wrong account holder I says! Let me go... just a serf or ship journeyman... or jedi on vacation looking to plunder trade!? What flag on profile says?! Wave of hand... no, we're good here okay to pass... enjoy your secret meetings!

      Yes, I agree, they are all one in the same: evil. ?

      I just went w/ Vlad for the imagry..

      •  Vlad was ghoulish, but not evil. Not like Cheney (2+ / 0-)
        Recommended by:
        koNko, sillycarrot

        anyway.  ;)

        •  Unless you're one of his siblings ! (1+ / 0-)
          Recommended by:
          sillycarrot

          Of course, the same could be said for anyone encountering Cheney, related or not, or even people who never have or never will have the "pleasure", so I suppose you have a point.

          Honestly speaking, I use Vlad & Rasputin to provide a range of options and I'm damn glad they are no longer with us to hold me accountable for making such comparisons or they might wipe the smug smile off of my mug with a wooden pike.

          No one is coming to save us, the future is in our hands.

          by koNko on Mon Jun 23, 2014 at 06:24:34 AM PDT

          [ Parent ]

    •  No dice. You've got to make some hard decisions (0+ / 0-)

      in life, and my perennial Evil Index Poll is one of them.

      No one is coming to save us, the future is in our hands.

      by koNko on Mon Jun 23, 2014 at 06:18:38 AM PDT

      [ Parent ]

  •  This fits exactly with the notion that the world (26+ / 0-)

    is bring moved toward control by an international corporate elite. This really isn't conspiracy theory run rampant, but because they are able to operate in secrecy, it is difficult to get concrete evidence of what is going on until something like this comes along.

    The take home message here is that the NSA and its partners are NOT about national security. It is about international control.

    •  This has been in the works (13+ / 0-)

      for over a hundred years.
      TPTB are the Rotheschilds, Rockeffelers, and the family of Morgan. I found that information on thethrivemovement website.
      I too, don't understand how OUR country and OUR assets can be sold to foreign countries.
      Saudis Arabia has already bought the toll roads in Chicago.
      And Chase has the parking meters.
      I understand the need to have toll roads(sorta), but paying for parking is what our taxes should go towards.
      I think these bills are treasonous
      Instead of  our taxes going to the MICC, they should help is taxpayers.
      I am pissed that Obama is doing this to us. How can he be the greatest president ever, when he is selling our country?  

      I just reread Butler's War is a Rackey.
      One company sold the US. Over 350,000shoes but there were only 40,000 soilders.
      You can find his book online.

      "Americans don't understand that terrorists cannot take away habeas corpus, the Bill of Rights, or the Constitution. Terrorists are not anything like the threat that we face from our own government in the name of fighting terrorism."

      by snoopydawg on Sun Jun 22, 2014 at 01:47:09 PM PDT

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    •  They operate in secrecy because (3+ / 0-)
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      They own the politicians at the highest levels of the federal government. Secret international treaties that undermine the Constitution and federal law are a fairly recent phenomenon. I'd have to laugh at anyone who claims otherwise.

      Money is property, not speech. Overturn Citizens United.

      by Betty Pinson on Sun Jun 22, 2014 at 07:15:04 PM PDT

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      •  I agree (1+ / 0-)
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        The question is what can we do about it?  
        Does anyone really think Hillary or whoever the GOP runs, isn't on board with this?  
        I think that these treaties are what all the spying is really about.
        When the sheep FINALLY wake up and see that both parties have sold us out, the shit will hit the fan.
        I think that is another reason they have militarized the police.
        But since this goes against what is left of the constitution they actually follow, I don't see why the just don't bring in the military and say the hell with Posse Comititous

        "Americans don't understand that terrorists cannot take away habeas corpus, the Bill of Rights, or the Constitution. Terrorists are not anything like the threat that we face from our own government in the name of fighting terrorism."

        by snoopydawg on Sun Jun 22, 2014 at 08:31:33 PM PDT

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        •  Well all this NSA stuff is in place & yet (2+ / 0-)
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          people in WashingtonDC remained clueless about -

          1) Boston Marathon
          2) The ISIS threat (until it was obviously a real threat)

          And 95% of our elected Congress critters vote for things like increased spying on Americans as it is so damn lucrative. I mean, Diane Feinstein and her snookums have been in that sixteen million dollar mansion since before 2006. Time to trade up, is how they view things like getting on on the national surveillance money bandwagon.

          •  This is where I point out... (1+ / 0-)
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            ... how ridiculous all of this "the government is going to start a secret investigation of you if you read things on the Wikileaks site" stuff is. Yes, the NSA stuff exists. We already knew to some extent they were doing massive widespread data collection as there had been a number of smaller leaks before Snowden. They're trying to vaccuum up as much data as physically possible and automatically sort it as much as possible for analysis. But at the top there's only a couple dozen analysts (according to Snowden's docs). These people aren't exactly out there reading your letter to grandma to try to find her fried chicken recipe to give it to KFC. There's just not enough manpower dedicated to the analysis stage for this sort of 1984-ish nonsense that people are pushing. There are thousands of real threats out there, there's not time for "Joe Blow in Peoria thinks Obama is a meanie, let's wage a psy-ops campaign against him!"

            And it's all so obvious, as you point out, with all of the stuff that flew right by the radar (Boston Marathon bombing, etc), that there's a difference between collecting everything and analyzing everything. For example, Assange always talks like the world revolves around him, has always lived this Walter Mitty-esque life (even before Wikileaks), insisting everyone around him was really a spy (it drove his ghostwriter mad, because most of the examples were so ridiculous). And so, this guy who's the focus of every waking moment of all of the world's intelligence agencies was able to just walk out of Sweden without anyone knowing that he left (as can clearly be seen in the SMS record between Assange's attorney and the prosecutor, where they keep on planning as if he's in the country)? And then in Britain, where he jumped bail and was out for hours, and walked right into the embassy of a country antagonistic to the US, and nobody stopped him? Are we to believe that they knew all of this and decided, "Nah, this is all part of our secret plan!" and did nothing?

            NSA surveilance is real. It's disturbing that such a huge program was allowed to exist with no public debate abiout even the fundamentals. But the facts are, there's just not that much manpower on analysis.

            BTW, that said, I think your ISIS/ISIL example is overstated. Everyone's known about ISIL for a long time, and that they want to create an islamic state in both Iraq and Syria. But the US really had no options. What exactly was the US supposed to do before? Bomb Iraq and Syria without invitation or provocation? Apart from training and arming Iraqi forces (which the US did, but which was an epic fail), the only other option available was to arm the moderate rebels in Syria so that they could better fight off ISIL and provide a stronger moderate faction for people who wanted to oppose Assad to flock to instead of ISIL. Clinton preferred that option, but Obama overruled her.

            Oh God, am I actually defending Clinton? Ugh...

            The day I'll consider justice blind is the day that a rape defendant's claim of "She consented to the sex" is treated by the same legal standards as a robbery defendant's claim of "He consented to give me the money": as an affirmative defense.

            by Rei on Mon Jun 23, 2014 at 03:30:31 AM PDT

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  •  We're screwed! (12+ / 0-)

    God spare me the Heart to fight them... I'll fight the Pirates forever. -Mother Jones

    by JayRaye on Sun Jun 22, 2014 at 02:00:21 PM PDT

  •  Is Obama for this? If so, why? Is he a puppet or (10+ / 0-)

    what?

    You could NOT outline anything more contradictory to our democratic ideals!

    Separation of Church and State AND Corporation

    by Einsteinia on Sun Jun 22, 2014 at 02:39:09 PM PDT

    •  Yes, he approves of it (3+ / 0-)

      It couldn't happen if he opposed it.

      Why? Only he can answer that question and we certainly should be asking him.

      Money is property, not speech. Overturn Citizens United.

      by Betty Pinson on Sun Jun 22, 2014 at 07:18:48 PM PDT

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      •  Sure it could (4+ / 0-)
        It couldn't happen if he opposed it.
        He could oppose it and still make it happen. It only can't happen if he won't sign off on it.

        He will sign off on it.

        "Inevitability" diminishes free will and replaces it with self-fulfilling prophecies."--Geenius At Wrok

        by lunachickie on Sun Jun 22, 2014 at 07:35:56 PM PDT

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        •  My hope and faith in fellow humans is restored (2+ / 0-)
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          When I  read your reply here.

          I keep noticing how often our Democratic Party leaders "oppose" things that the people want them to oppose, just as soon as they know it is inevitable that the item will pass anyway. Hillary Clinton, whose own State department brought about the original Keystone Pipeline request, she finally opposed the pipeline once she realized that the Republicans had gained so much in the 2010 elections.

    •  Obama is traveling all over the (4+ / 0-)

      World and meeting with the partners of both acts.
      I am not sure which administration this started with, but Obama is the one who will bring it home.
      Unless Congress does their damned jobs, read the trade agreements and then block them from passing.
      But what are the odds of Obama and congress going against the banks and the corporations?  
      Pretty damned slim, IMO.
      Again, I think this is a treasonous sellout to let foreign corporations own so much of the US.
      People really need to get informed about what these acts will do to this country.
      Here is just one thing:
      If a city tells a corporation that they don't want them drilling in the middle of their town, the corporation can take that city to court and if a judge rules in their favor, then the city will have to pay them for the corporation's lack of profits.
      That is how hideous these acts are.
      There is the Change Obama gave us. More sellout to foriegn corporations.

      "Americans don't understand that terrorists cannot take away habeas corpus, the Bill of Rights, or the Constitution. Terrorists are not anything like the threat that we face from our own government in the name of fighting terrorism."

      by snoopydawg on Sun Jun 22, 2014 at 08:06:10 PM PDT

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  •  koNko, you are AWESOME! (16+ / 0-)

    I've only read down to the squiggle, well, just past it to the list of titles posted at WikiLeaks.  And I had to stop to say --

    koNko, you are AWESOME!  Thank you SO much for the work you do here!

  •  Corporate Overlords. What's not to love? n/t (5+ / 0-)

    Corporations, which should be the carefully restrained creatures of the law and the servants of the people, are fast becoming the people’s masters. -- President Grover Cleveland, 1888

    by edg on Sun Jun 22, 2014 at 03:25:38 PM PDT

  •  Whoa. (5+ / 0-)

    And boy howdy.  

    "The extinction of the human race will come from its inability to EMOTIONALLY comprehend the exponential function." -- Edward Teller

    by lgmcp on Sun Jun 22, 2014 at 03:38:46 PM PDT

  •  C'mon. This is what Serious grown-ups do. (12+ / 0-)

    Help the powerful dick over everyone else.

    And the administration is packed with Serious grown-ups.

    I've never left a blank space on a ballot... but I will not vote for someone [who vows] to spy on me. I will not do it. - dclawyer06

    Trust, but verify. - Reagan
    Vote, but Occupy. - commonmass

    by Words In Action on Sun Jun 22, 2014 at 03:58:51 PM PDT

    •  The Federal government (7+ / 0-)

      …is playing a geopolitical game.

      Americans see it all through the straw of domestic issues and know little about the outside world and the global strategies that affect them.

      They are easily tricked by the evil tool of "humanitarian intervention" -- which is what kept the US Defense Cartel in Iraq and Afghanistan for so long bleeding the US treasury dry. It got everyone to cheer for the Libyan clusterfuck, and it will happen again in Africa. And again. And again.

      There's a disconnect, by design.

      OTOH, I don't think these trade agreements are a slam dunk. For example, US food is too dirty and contaminated -- and Europeans don't want to see it on their shelves. Much of the processing the US uses is banned throughout the world.

      Also, it is important to keep in mind that these trade agreements are merely a reaction to something much larger that is threatening the West. That's what you need to keep your eye on to understand what is going on.

  •  I don't want to have my IP logged by the (3+ / 0-)
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    government.  I have enough troubles as it is.  The nail that stands up gets hammered, so it makes more sense to be a flat-head countersinked screw.

    •  That's why I posted a warning (7+ / 0-)

      The information will be more generally available soon enough if not already so anyone wanting to play it safe can do so.

      I'm guessing a search in the next few days will return it in whole or at least the "good parts" as we call the poison.

      No one is coming to save us, the future is in our hands.

      by koNko on Sun Jun 22, 2014 at 06:10:12 PM PDT

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      •  We need government to protect us from (1+ / 0-)
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        people like you, Konko,  Nobody elected you.  We live in a country of free, fair, and open elections where we get to choose our leaders, not have them chosen for us by people who feel they're more special than other people.  I think we should trust the people who protect us.  It's a hard job and they know more about what we need than we do.

        •  What??? (6+ / 0-)
          We live in a country of free, fair, and open elections where we get to choose our leaders, not have them chosen for us by people who feel they're more special than other people.
          We used to live in that country. We don't live in that country anymore, whether you want to face that or not.

          "Inevitability" diminishes free will and replaces it with self-fulfilling prophecies."--Geenius At Wrok

          by lunachickie on Sun Jun 22, 2014 at 07:37:58 PM PDT

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        •  Good Gawd, Dumbo (5+ / 0-)
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          Tell me that was snark.

          "Americans don't understand that terrorists cannot take away habeas corpus, the Bill of Rights, or the Constitution. Terrorists are not anything like the threat that we face from our own government in the name of fighting terrorism."

          by snoopydawg on Sun Jun 22, 2014 at 08:52:09 PM PDT

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          •  Dude is dead serious. (0+ / 0-)

            You should read some of the PMs he keeps sending me!

            "HA, HA, HA, HA, HA, HA, HA, HA, HA, HA, HA, HA, HA, HA, HA, HA, HA, HA, HA, HA, HA, HA, HA, HA, HA, HA, HA, HA, HA, HA, HA, HA, HA, HA, HA, HA, HA, HA, HA, HA, HA, HA, HA, HA, HA, HA, HA, HA, HA, HA, HA, HA, HA, HA, HA, HA, HA, HA, HA, HA, HA, HA, HA, HA, HA, ..." he sez.

            No one is coming to save us, the future is in our hands.

            by koNko on Mon Jun 23, 2014 at 06:36:10 AM PDT

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        •  Even I need government to protect me from myself (0+ / 0-)

          But every time I decide to drop that dime and turn myself in, I wimp out with some maudlin crap about being locked in the closet , Mom and those wire hangers.

          I'm hoping they send drones in soon. Maybe I should order another Pizza?

          No one is coming to save us, the future is in our hands.

          by koNko on Mon Jun 23, 2014 at 06:33:18 AM PDT

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  •  We need to expose those who are asking us to (11+ / 0-)

    end democracy.

    Oh...wait...they're not asking.

    At least I can go to my grave knowing that I lived in the last days of the Enlightenment.

    I'm a Vietnam Era vet. I'm also an Erma Bombeck Era vet. When cussing me out and calling me names please indicate which vet you would like to respond to your world changing thoughts.

    by Just Bob on Sun Jun 22, 2014 at 05:04:59 PM PDT

  •  koNko, most of Part II of my post, today... (7+ / 0-)

    ...is about TISA (i.e.: Economic Annex to GAT) and the Wikileaks story, but from a slightly (not much different, but slightly different) different angle.

    Kudos to you!

    "I always thought if you worked hard enough and tried hard enough, things would work out. I was wrong." --Katharine Graham

    by bobswern on Sun Jun 22, 2014 at 05:05:00 PM PDT

  •  If this shit comes to pass (6+ / 0-)

    our only option will not be the peaceful one.

    Hillary does not have the benefit of a glib tongue.

    by The Dead Man on Sun Jun 22, 2014 at 05:50:19 PM PDT

  •  How is this even legal? (4+ / 0-)
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    In a significant anti-transparency manoeuvre by the parties, the draft has been classified to keep it secret not just during the negotiations but for five years after the TISA enters into force.
    I thought one of the bedrock principles of American jurisprudence is that the law must be publicly known; that there cannot be any secret laws.

    Is America in danger of no longer being a country where its citizens are allowed to know the laws by which they must abide? Such is a characteristic of non-democratic, autocratic forms of government. It is un-American.

    The most serious problem in American politics today is that people with wrong ideas are uncompromising, and people with good ideas are submissive and unwilling to fight. Change that, and we might have a real democracy again.

    by Eric Stetson on Sun Jun 22, 2014 at 09:19:54 PM PDT

    •  Good call, heh. (0+ / 0-)

      Even if they sign it its not a valid agreement, it breaks too many laws.

      A true craftsman will meticulously construct the apparatus of his own demise.

      by onionjim on Sun Jun 22, 2014 at 10:25:36 PM PDT

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    •  It *is* impossible for there to be secret laws. (1+ / 0-)
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      This article is bull.

      Treaties (all of which are negotiated in secret) don't become law until they pass both houses of congress and are signed by the president. Everything that comes before congress is publicly available. Congress has no secret bills, secret debates, secret votes. The whole concept of a "secret law" itself is absurd. So they're supposedly deregulating everything under the sun, but not letting companies know that they no longer need to follow regulations? Gee, that'll be effective.

      And the real kicker is, as I pointed out in more detail above, the horrible "secret" bill's draft reveals that what they're drafting is precisely what they've publicly announced they're trying to draft. This whole thing is basically, "News Flash! Group that promised to draft a massively deregulating bill is drafting a massively deregulating bill!"

      Assange is getting really desperate for attention.

      The day I'll consider justice blind is the day that a rape defendant's claim of "She consented to the sex" is treated by the same legal standards as a robbery defendant's claim of "He consented to give me the money": as an affirmative defense.

      by Rei on Mon Jun 23, 2014 at 03:03:34 AM PDT

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  •  HRd (0+ / 0-)
    WARNNG: The below list of documents includes some from Wikileaks Website.
    Emphasis mine.

    I clicked on your most innocuous link, the last in your diary. Your diary gave absolutely no clue that clicking on any link would land me at wikileaks, and there I was, landed at wikileaks. Had you distinguished between which links, among the "some" were "safe" and which were not, that couldn't have happened.

    HRd. Being lured to wikileaks by a casually placed link may endanger livelihoods. I'm only sorry I can't HR you into the hiddens.

    •  Remove your HR (2+ / 0-)
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      The diarist clearly posted a warning last night.  If you are so worried about having your IP logged, you should have avoided clicking on any of the links.  You entered at your own risk and should have assumed that any one of the links would have been to the Wikileaks site.

       

      That's why I posted a warning (7+ / 0-)

      The information will be more generally available soon enough if not already so anyone wanting to play it safe can do so.

      I'm guessing a search in the next few days will return it in whole or at least the "good parts" as we call the poison.

      No one is coming to save us, the future is in our hands.

      by koNko on Sun Jun 22, 2014 at 09:10:12 PM EDT

      "I don't want to run the empire, I want to bring it down!" ~ Dr. Cornel West "...isn't the problem here that the government takes on, arbitrarily and without justification, an adversarial attitude towards its citizenry?" ~ SouthernLiberalinMD

      by gulfgal98 on Mon Jun 23, 2014 at 05:49:56 AM PDT

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    •  Sorry, my bad. (2+ / 0-)
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      But if you place your cursor on any link anywhere you should see a URL on the bottom status bar.

      I thought it was pretty obvious that the attribution links in the body text would lead to Wikileaks articles identified in the link lists because they refer to "Prof. Kelsey" of the "Annex" in each case, and it is customary on this site to link directly when quoting or referring to a cited source.

      And that is why I put a disclaimer and comprehensive set of links at the top, rather than at the end. You will note my opening section did NOT link for that reason.

      No one is coming to save us, the future is in our hands.

      by koNko on Mon Jun 23, 2014 at 06:45:45 AM PDT

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    •  Seriously ... (0+ / 0-)

      ... when a warning is issued you should exercise caution and I think these were clear (original links bolded):

      From the Wikileaks Press Release:
      If the above is important to you, I recommend that you at least read the excellent analysis (brief and to the point) by Professor Jane Kelsey of the Faculty of Law, University of Auckland, New Zealand, and the draft Annex itself.
      I could go on, but seriously, Professor Kelsey does the subject justice so I defer to her.
      So if we don't hear from you for a couple of years, well suppose you are in a dungeon and send help.

      No one is coming to save us, the future is in our hands.

      by koNko on Mon Jun 23, 2014 at 06:54:32 AM PDT

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    •  You quote his warning, then say 'no warning'. (0+ / 0-)

      Weird, if not ridiculous.

      "You are not even aware of what is possible. The extent of their capabilities is horrifying."Edward Snowden -6.62, -6.92

      by CanyonWren on Mon Jun 23, 2014 at 05:33:44 PM PDT

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