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Tea Party candidate Chris McDaniel delivers a concession speech in Hattiesburg, Mississippi, June 24, 2014. U.S. Senator Thad Cochran of Mississippi narrowly defeated challenger McDaniel on Tuesday in a high-profile runoff election that pitted the Republican Party establishment against the insurgent Tea Party movement. .REUTERS/Jonathan Bachman (UNITED STATES - Tags: ELECTIONS POLITICS) - RTR3VLJX

Chris McDaniel, fighting to the last man

Like a Japanese soldier retreating deep into the Philippine jungle to continue the fight long after the war is over, Mississippi state Sen. Chris McDaniel is still waging a guerilla battle to overturn the results of last month's Republican Senate runoff. But while the rest of the world acknowledges that the election situation has developed not necessarily to McDaniel's advantage, his supporters want him to keep at it, according to a new poll from PPP.

Fully 81 percent of McDaniel backers, who are furious that black Democrats crossed over to support Sen. Thad Cochran, think he rightfully won the runoff, while just 10 percent accept Cochran's victory. And 63 percent say he should forge ahead with his legal challenges, while just 28 percent say he should concede.

But this stubbornness has come with a hefty price. Just 29 percent of Mississippians now view McDaniel favorably while a majority—53 percent—see him negatively. And if somehow he were actually to prevail in getting the election's outcome reversed, McDaniel would start off trailing Democrat Travis Childers by a single point, 37 to 36.

Yet even back in reality, where Cochran and Childers will square off in the fall, the McDanielites are nevertheless having an impact. Cochran currently beats Childers 40 to 24, a very strange spread indeed, considering Cochran led 50-33 in PPP's last poll back in November. So angry are McDaniel's supporters that Cochran is earning just 48 percent of the Republican vote. That's down from 74 percent last time, all because a large fraction of McDaniel supporters are too pissed to even say they'll back the GOP nominee.

At the same time, many of the Democrats who sided with Cochran in the runoff are staying with him. Childers' advantage among members of his own party has shrunk to just 46-31, compared to his earlier 61-25 lead. That explains why his share of the total vote has shriveled up—but of course, so has Cochran's, leading to a massive 31 percent who say they're undecided.

So what'll happen to that gang of livid holdouts? In a normal world, you'd expect them to come home and grumpily vote for the Republican, just like they ordinarily would. But we're in anything but a normal world here. The depth of conservative furor at what happened in the runoff is hard to overstate. What they believe happened pushes so many of their buttons, stirring up long-held racial animus, resentment at a corrupt Washington establishment, and, of course, fears of "voter fraud." Consider it a tea-fueled trifecta of right-wing disgust.

But even if the McDanielistas remain in the wilderness, fighting their Lost Cause until the last man, Cochran's successfully reinvented himself as a friend of black Democrats in Mississippi. As improbable as that development's been, if he can avoid alienating this newest constituency, Cochran should be able to keep Childers at bay. This has been as bizarre a race as it's possible to imagine, though, so further surprises may yet be in store. And watch out for any Hiroo Onodas lurking on the bayou.

Originally posted to Daily Kos Elections on Tue Jul 15, 2014 at 09:50 AM PDT.

Also republished by Daily Kos.

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  •  These moronic Democrats who (24+ / 0-)

    crossed over to vote for Cochran and now are staying with him in the general ought to have their heads examined. Makes you wonder if the Dems really are any smarter than the Tea Partiers on the other side.

    •  Well... (5+ / 0-)

      I believe this is a regional phenomenon rather than a party one.

      “Socialism never took root in America because the poor see themselves not as an exploited proletariat but as temporarily embarrassed millionaires.” - John Steinbeck (Disputed)

      by RichM on Tue Jul 15, 2014 at 09:59:30 AM PDT

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      •  Regional rather than party? (0+ / 0-)

        I'll start believing that when our side shows up for midterms, which if past is any indicator, 2014 will be another low turnout among our base election.

        "Man's main task in life is to give birth to himself; to become what he potentially is." -Erich Fromm

        by nspguy on Tue Jul 15, 2014 at 12:53:05 PM PDT

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        •  Not necessarily. (6+ / 0-)

          Mississippi isn't the only state with strange local phenomena happening.

          Here in Idaho, the 2nd reddest state in the nation, the GOP's civil war escalated after the primaries, just as it did in Mississippi.
          There were no runoffs; none of the results were close enough to hold any, but the following GOP State convention, which occurred in June, became a total fiasco over a hot dispute over convention delegate's qualifications.
          Their convention was closed a day early, with none of the convention's business even addressed, much less concluded.
          Part of the biz was the election of a new party chairman. Barry Peterson, the current chairman, was supposed to be replaced in this convention due to state party rules, and his term was supposed to be up shortly after the convention. Chairmen can only serve one term at a time, with no re-election.

          Peterson's a teabagger who was elected in 2012, has refused to give up his seat. The state GOP is now in a fight with the RNC; a Central Committee meeting is supposed to resolve the matter in August, but currently, all the state party's paid staffers have quit, leaving the party office empty except for Peterson in an election year.

          This has caused a lot of rock-ribbed Republicans who are right-center to start considering voting for some of our Democratic opponents for the first time in decades.

          We have 3 particularly strong ones; A.J. Balukoff, a Boise businessman, for Governor, Jana Jones, a former candidate for State Supervisor of Education, who narrowly lost in 2010, and Holli Woodings, who is running for Sec. of State against a notoriously corrupt former Speaker of the House, Lawrence "Boss" Denney.

          Denny ran the state House like it was his personal fiefdom, protecting several Representatives who broke various laws, until he lost his seat in a House revolt. He is now cynically running for Sec. of State to bolster his state retirement account.

          All 3 are looking good now, and will look even better as the GOP's split continues.

          This election could be a reverse of what happened in Mississippi; 2nd District Republicans already turned away all the teabag challengers in the primary, so they may be willing to deny Gov. Butch Otter, no friend of the 2nd District a 3rd term. Boss Denney may pose a harder fight, but Idaho is completely disgusted with the current Director of Ed, Tom Luna.

          Luna's proposed overhaul of the state's education system, a 4-part plan was completely voted down in a referendum last year. Jana Jones could win this time, as her opponent is an inexperienced teacher with no further credentials, and was a dark horse primary winner, mostly due to the familiarity of her last name.

          Right many are called, and damn few are chosen.

          by Idaho07 on Tue Jul 15, 2014 at 02:02:39 PM PDT

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        •  Got that right. Dem leaders act Dimly. (0+ / 0-)

          In 2010-37% of eligible American voters voted for their U.S. Reps. (Census) The 1% is not taking this country from us. We are giving it to them.

          by Incredulousinusa on Tue Jul 22, 2014 at 01:12:52 PM PDT

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        •  I thot you said Religious instead of Regional (0+ / 0-)

          Seriously, I did. I have trouble with the Christian Right affecting our lives in a negative manner. That is the understatement of the year.

          In 2010-37% of eligible American voters voted for their U.S. Reps. (Census) The 1% is not taking this country from us. We are giving it to them.

          by Incredulousinusa on Tue Jul 22, 2014 at 01:15:51 PM PDT

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    •  There had to be a modest price... (0+ / 0-)

      ...for this strategy.

      Almost everything you do will seem insignificant, but it is most important that you do it.

      by The Termite on Tue Jul 15, 2014 at 10:24:34 AM PDT

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    •  Exactly, (1+ / 0-)
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      Visceral

      All Cochran had to do was ask and a lot of Mississippi democrats are abandoning the party.

      Sadly those shifting to the republican are mostly black.

      Mississippi truly is a lost cause.

      ...the GOP seems perfectly willing to hold their breath until the whole country turns Blue.

      by tommy2tone on Tue Jul 15, 2014 at 12:56:08 PM PDT

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  •  Bravo and bravura. One has to salute principled (17+ / 0-)

    Republicans willing to take a stand. The only way to teach these phony RINOs a lesson is to help elect Childers. Go for it, guys. You can really put it to the Establishment. Maybe even tip the senate so it stays Democrat(ic). That would really teach 'em a lesson.

  •  Baffling results (4+ / 0-)

    While I'm glad to see Cochran weak due to deadender McDaniel supporters, I'm baffled by the tiny support for Childers.  

    Just 24%?  Is there any way Childers can break out from such a low percentage?

  •  I agree with McDaniel's supporters (19+ / 0-)

    They should not back Cochran in the general.

    "The smartest man in the room is not always right." -Richard Holbrooke

    by Demi Moaned on Tue Jul 15, 2014 at 09:58:30 AM PDT

  •  Don't do anything stoopid McDaniel.....Too Late!! (5+ / 0-)
  •  From Here To Ignominy come home/Dems.. (1+ / 0-)
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    Eric Nelson

    decent wages don't eliminate jobs. Republicans eliminate jobs; and workers, and prospects, and then excuse it all and call for more austerity. there is no end to their ignorant, arrogant avarice. only political dinosaurs support their treachery.

    by renzo capetti on Tue Jul 15, 2014 at 10:00:42 AM PDT

  •  Recced for: (5+ / 0-)
    ...not necessarily to McDaniel's advantage,
    ...paraphrasing Hirohito's ultimate understatement. Good one!

    Mark E. Miller // Kalamazoo Township Trustee // MI 6th District Democratic Chair

    by memiller on Tue Jul 15, 2014 at 10:03:04 AM PDT

    •  I so love that statement! (1+ / 0-)
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      TerryDarc

      One of the greatest understatements of all time. "The war in the Pacific has concluded not necessarily to Japan's advantage."

      Voting is the means by which the public is distracted from the realities of power and its exercise.

      by Anne Elk on Tue Jul 15, 2014 at 04:37:00 PM PDT

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  •  Stay F-U-R-I-O-U-S McDaniel ! (9+ / 0-)

    And your supporters too.
    Sure would be too bad if any of you popped a blood vessel. Sure would.

  •  If McDaniel backers won't do it themselves (9+ / 0-)

    Can Dems start an astroturf group pushing for a McDaniel write-in campaign?

  •  I think McDaniel needs to launch (5+ / 0-)

    a strong write in campaign. The big problem would be, how could you ever teach tea-baggers to spell McDaniel?

    Wanting to own a gun is an immediate indicator that you should be the last person to have one.

    by pollbuster on Tue Jul 15, 2014 at 10:59:24 AM PDT

  •  Last election Cochran won 6% of the vote (3+ / 0-)

    Among African-Americans.  I know the dynamics were a bit different in the 2008 election but in that election they went for the Democratic candidate Fleming by a 94-6% margin.  And that was a lousy Dem candidate who lost in a 61-39% landslide.  They'll come home to Childers.  Cochran's numbers are inflated at the moment because of the hate for McDaniel.

    http://www.cnn.com/...

  •  This is very possibly the race that will ignite... (1+ / 0-)
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    hang319

    This is very possibly the race that will ignite the 2nd American Civil War, and there is no doubt in my mind that it will inevitably, now or later, be the south that lights the fuse! "When politics and religion ride in the same cart, the whirlwind follows.". Dune- by Frank Herbert

    •  Is it the day for violent fantasies? (3+ / 0-)
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      RainDog2, Timmethy, BobBlueMass

      Second comment I've seen today (2 different posters) suggesting that a second civil war is imminent.

      Perspective, please; we've survived worse crises (does the 60s ring a bell?) and it's silly to suggest that things are on the cusp of an armed civil conflict.

      •  First, perhaps, you might spend a little while (1+ / 0-)
        Recommended by:
        hang319

        looking at the figures that show who and where most of these insanely high gun sales are happening, and who, for the most part is buying them.  

        Then perhaps ask yourself if it's really because they're still expecting to have to fight the black helicopters.  

        I live down here, specifically in small-town Texas.  I don't find the idea of these hateful racist nut-jobs doing something most people would find unthinkably evil.  

        •  Two very different things (0+ / 0-)

          Randomized violence, like the shooting in Las Vegas a month or two ago - sure, that kind of stuff could be on the uptick in the future.  I doubt it, but it's certainly in the realm of possibility.

          A second civil war, i.e., an actual armed insurrection with states and/or millions of Americans taking up arms?  Utter nonsense and the people peddling it on our side are no less nutty than those on the far right.

          •  Believe me, where I live, I don't even speak about (1+ / 0-)
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            dconrad

            politics to anyone but a handful of people I know very, very well.  

            I keep a low profile because where I live, my politics are considered all but traitorous.  

            I would be very happily surprised if I could be assured by someone who would actually know for sure that there's not a loosely-organized white-supremacist, neo-nazi, kkk, t-party "plot" to do something extreme and violent if Democrats are able to retake the House, retain control of the Senate, and keep control of the White House in the 2016 elections.  

            As I said before, I live down here in the middle of them and a lot of "them" assume that because I'm white, older, and come across as somewhat reserved, I'm one of "them."  I'm anything but, but I want to live long enough to cast my votes in the 2014 and 2016 elections.  

            •  Well, good luck then (1+ / 0-)
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              Anne Elk

              Sorry, but I guess I have a hard time imagining being so terrified of my neighbors that I think that there's a realistic chance that they're going to shoot me for my political views sometime between now and November, 2016.

              •  If you haven't lived down here, you probably (0+ / 0-)

                really cannot comprehend just how mindless and rabid some of these people are.  Racism is not a joke and I promise you that it's still very much with us, just gone underground.  Those who are racists, for the most part, have learned to conceal their sickness until they believe they're in "safe" company and then they'll let fly with the most irrational, hateful, and bizarre arguments for why "we" should all fear and hate those "others."  For some, that will mean only those of African origins.  For others, it will be anyone whose face and skin color are different from their own pale, pasty skin.  

                I'd love to find out that I'm completely wrong about what I believe racists/right-wingers are capable of, I really hope I am.

                Please also understand, I don't live in terror.  I'm just mindful of what I say to whom.  Because I don't want my tires slashed, I don't put Democratic bumper stickers on my vehicle, and because I don't want my house damaged, I don't put Democratic signs in my front yard.  Those things do happen.  

                I think it may also be that because I lived away, in California, Colorado, and New Mexico for twenty formative years; coming, back I was more acutely aware of the undercurrents of racism, religious fanaticism, homophobia, and misogyny, much more acutely that before I moved away.  

                Hope that 'splains my position a bit more clearly.

    •  "...and really stirs up the horse shit." (0+ / 0-)

      Voting is the means by which the public is distracted from the realities of power and its exercise.

      by Anne Elk on Tue Jul 15, 2014 at 04:44:30 PM PDT

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  •  Comparing McDaniel to the late Hiroo Onoda (2+ / 0-)
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    Hohenzollern, TofG

    is an insult to Hiroo Onoda, who ironically died around the time McDaniel lost.

    "Valerie, why am I getting all these emails calling me a classless boor?"

    by TLS66 on Tue Jul 15, 2014 at 12:13:58 PM PDT

  •  From Erick Ericksons Red State is this.. (12+ / 0-)

    ...I believe it is OK to vote for Travis Childers - June 29, 2014

    Let’s start with the obvious … if Travis Childers wins this Mississippi Senate race, that is one vote further away we are from winning the US Senate.  The main issue at hand is judges, because anything else a Democrat tries to do will be stopped by the House.  This is what the Establishment does … cheat and lie to win, then point at Harry Reid The Boogeyman to scare us straight.  Its effective because it is actually a valid argument.  Perhaps I’m setting the standard too high when I answer to that with another question – what kind of majority do we want?  Do we want a majority built on the Thad Cochrans of the world?  I’m worried less about Mitch McConnell because he owes his entire renomination to Rand Paul.  It is the Cochrans and Alexanders of the world ar what has built our majority, what will really change?  You could possibly make the argument that an independent-minded Democrat like Childers would be more useful than a 87-year old Weekend-At-Bernies-senator like Cochran.

    More more important, we cannot let the Establishment work to destroy us and then we just take it when its over.  A point has to be made.  We cannot abide by this and we have to show that they can’t do this ever again.  By asserting our independence, we will never be treated like that again.  The Barbours of the world don’t want us in the party to begin with, and if they do it is simply as a compliant second-citizen.  Helping to send Travis Childers to the Senate will cause a lot of problems, but I guarantee that what happened in Mississippi will never happen again.

    And from another RWNJ Blog:
    Jackie Johnson said...
    I would like to encourage all my conservative and Tea Party sisters and brothers not to waste their vote by write-in or simply not voting. There is an important message that needs to be sent nationwide to discourage this sort of behavior by the RINOS.

    We should cast our votes for Travis Childers and unseat Thad Cochran and whoever Phil Bryant is planning to appoint when he steps down.

    Do not concern yourselves with Harry Reid. Travis Childers will better serve our state than the Haley Barbour acolytes who are ONLY interested in lining their pockets, their friend's pockets, and their children's pockets with our hard earned tax dollars.

    Remember in November what the RINOS did and let's give them some payback!

    June 26, 2014 at 11:47 AM

    I wrote a snark Diary that got 3.2 thousand FB shares on this topic. It was kind of weird/unexpected:
    Texas teabag so pissed-off he calls for revolt: Vote for Dem candidates & really hurt GOP old guard!
    ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
    So I'm wondering if this substantial lead by Cochran (+12 - +17) will hold. Not that Childers is all that, but for keeping the senate out of RWNJ control could this be a possiblitity?

    Are the teabaggers furious enough?
    ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

    Thx David Nir

    •  Wow, that's amazing (5+ / 0-)
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      Gooserock, 6412093, a2nite, catwho, Anne Elk

      "We'll show 'em -- we'll vote for our arch-enemy the Democrats!"

      This is like being so pissed off at Al Gore that you don't vote for Nader, you vote for, say, Allan West or Michelle Bachmann.

      But if they're that determined, I guess we'll welcome their votes.

    •  Oddly, this seems to invalidate the teabaggers' (2+ / 0-)
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      a2nite, untorqued

      runoff votes.  I thought I had read that in Mississippi the law was that in order to vote in the run-off, you had to have not voted in the Democratic primary AND you intended to support the winner of the runoff.  By that standard, the tea party votes were invalid.  Ordinarily, it would be hard to determine intent.  But these public statements are self-incriminating and their votes should be removed from any final tally if votes are re-counted.

      •  They "intended" to go for the republican winner... (3+ / 0-)
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        a2nite, mjd in florida, catwho

        They "intended" to go for the republican winner. So long as it was their guy, you know, the guy who actually won the only votes that "really" count (republican votes).

        But now that this is not to be, they reevaluated. Perfectly acceptable; they voted with true intent on the day of the election, and have since reassessed the situation. I'm all for letting them change their mind.

  •  Are the McDaniel supporters (1+ / 0-)
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    Hohenzollern

    going to secede from Mississippi?  Establish a south-within-the-south territory?

    "It ain't so much the things we don't know that get us in trouble. It's the things we know that ain't so." (Artemus Ward)

    by Silencio on Tue Jul 15, 2014 at 12:50:07 PM PDT

    •  What they will do... (0+ / 0-)

      is change state law so that people will not be able to change parties so easily.
      Maybe force people to change registration a year in advance.

      My guess (since I really don't know a thing about it) is that the turnout of black voters outraged both Republican and Democratic voters and turned the election result into a flip of a coin.

      "...we live in the best most expensive third world country." "If only the NEA could figure out all they have to do is define the ignorance of the next generation as a WMD..." ---Stolen from posts on Daily Kos

      by jestbill on Tue Jul 15, 2014 at 01:50:59 PM PDT

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  •  McDaniel is Nuts (2+ / 0-)
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    a2nite, TofG

    Cochran is a decent guy. I hope the good people of Mississippi can sort this out.

    "Never before has it been so hard for the rich to become poor, or for the poor to become rich." Senate Minority Leader, Mitch McConnell (R,Ky)

    by wild hair on Tue Jul 15, 2014 at 12:50:09 PM PDT

  •  Democrats need to come home. (1+ / 0-)
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    hang319

    The DSCC should intervene to try to make this happen.  If a Dem were to win this the reprecussions would reverberate beyond Mississippi and would change much narrative and calculus.

  •  Harry Reid should force Cochran's (13+ / 0-)

    hand by bringing to a vote a new version of the Voting Rights Act which reinstitutes Section 5.  That will jam Cochran -- either he abandon's his "new" constituency, or he abandon's the GOP base.

    Anyone arguing that there's no difference between the parties is a fucking moron who can simply go to hell. -- kos

    by Its the Supreme Court Stupid on Tue Jul 15, 2014 at 12:56:53 PM PDT

  •  Why are the Democrats running (3+ / 0-)
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    BlueKS, jestbill, hang319

    a conservative white guy in the poorest state in America, where 40%+ of the population is non-white?

     Were we planning to win by taking 51% of the votes of conservative white people in Mississippi?

     Do we think that a populist economic message wouldn't get traction is such a poor place for some reason?

      I'm seriously trying to understand the argument in support of running a blue dog here. It's just doesn't make sense.

    •  Because electability. (2+ / 0-)
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      catwho, ChuckChuckerson

      Or something. Face it, there are always reasons not to run a liberal. How else can we let the Overton Window effect keep ruining us?

      "Lone catch of the moon, the roots of the sigh of an idea there will be the outcome may be why?"--from a spam diary entitled "The Vast World."

      by bryduck on Tue Jul 15, 2014 at 01:11:08 PM PDT

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    •  Travis Childers is actually relatively populist (0+ / 0-)

      IIRC, he supported the stimulus, and has repeatedly expressed populist sentiments. Granted, I don't know if his House record supports this claim, but you're not going to win in MS if you run an African-American.

      You have to run a white, conservative-yet-populist pol who can snag the black vote as a Dem, and attract ENOUGH of the white vote. Also Bennie Thompson is a black congressman from MS in a VRA district, and he's pretty conservative. A black politician from a black VRA district isn't always going to be exceedingly liberal.

      "Change will not come if we wait for some other person or some other time. We are the ones we've been waiting for. We are the change that we seek." - Barack Obama

      by anshmishra on Tue Jul 15, 2014 at 09:36:42 PM PDT

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  •  Dems need to help get the libertarian party on (1+ / 0-)
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    wdrath

    the state ballot.

    -1.63/ -1.49 "Speaking truth to power" (with snark of course)! Follow on Twitter @dopper0189

    by dopper0189 on Tue Jul 15, 2014 at 01:04:06 PM PDT

  •  please keep fighting until you destroy the (0+ / 0-)

    mississippi republican party!

    •  Already... (1+ / 0-)
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      METAL TREK

      That has been done already. Now we are waiting for the Next Move. If the Teahadis Go Galt, well, that is a bigger problem, but if they whimper and die of heart attacks and strokes, less of a problem.

      Time is on our side, given the age and condition of the Cheeze Whiz eating TeaPartiers cowering under their Gadsden Flags. I say, ship em a whole 18 wheel container of Chik-Fil-A sandwiches and Special Sauce! That should just about do it for the Mississippi Teahadist Party.

      Figures don't lie, but liars do figure-Mark Twain

      by OregonOak on Tue Jul 15, 2014 at 01:08:46 PM PDT

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  •  I love it when teabaggers fight ...each other. (4+ / 0-)
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    Hohenzollern, a2nite, wdrath, anshmishra

    I don't believe for a minute that any "black" Democrat is voting for Cochran in the general election. Nuh uh.  What I think may explain the drop in Democratic support of Childers is the fact that the Republican Party is where the action is.  While I am a huge fan of Napoleon's quote: "When your enemy is making a mistake, don't interrupt him." its so true, but not in a 3-man race.  And it is a 3-man race because McDaniel won't shut up.

    I think the DNC should quietly feed money into this senate election giving the folks in Mississippi a choice to either stay with the crazy OR get back to their daddy and granddaddy's party, the Democrats.  Hey why hasn't anyone tried that?  If stuff was so great in the bad old days, then I would ask southern Republicans why they are voting for the party that turned their ancestors into paupers?  If stuff was so great 50, 100 or 150 years ago, then the party that made that happen (at least in the South) was the Democratic Party.  Childers should be wall-papering the tee-vee with ads showing he is above the fray.

  •  It's about time that this happened (3+ / 0-)
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    Hohenzollern, RainDog2, untorqued

    now I see a couple Dem posters here whining because black Mississippians are staying with Cochran because...well, Cochran honestly asked for their vote and supplied a rationale as to why blacks should vote for him instead of the Dem in the race

    (and Cochran has done this before, remember that).

    The Democratic Party should not take the votes of black people for granted...nor should Republicans.

    This political horserace is fascinating and fun to watch.

    and it may have long term implications.

    •  I've been wondering (here) for a week if this race (2+ / 0-)
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      catwho, Chitown Kev

      would actually come down, now, to Cochran vs Childers competing for the AA vote.  This polling suggests that's exactly what will happen (I don't discount the possibility that a FEW R-base nuts will vote Childers out of pure spite, following Eric the Red, but I think a much bigger chunk will stay home, write in McD, whatever).  

      I don't think it's at ALL wise to expect that the AA vote will just naturally "come home" to Childers by election day--Childers has to actually make the case that having him represent them, and keeping Reid as Leader, will benefit MS AAs more than Cochran's pork.  Otherwise this election could be epochal in ways we DON'T want to see.

      •  No, Childers will win the AA vote in a landslide (0+ / 0-)

        This poll means nothing.  We've just come off an ugly GOP primary where Cochran appealed to AA voters.  They will abandon him for the Dem Childers in November, as they always do.  In 2008 Cochran lost the AA vote 94-6%.  And that was with a lousy Dem candidate.  I'd be stunned if Childers fails to take 80%+ of the AA vote.

        •  But did Cochran ask for their vote (0+ / 0-)

          as he did in 2014?

          That actually does mean a lot to AA's believe it or not. and I've heard rumbles from many blacks who, on one hand, couldn't possibly vote Republican and, OTOH, are tired of having their vote taken for granted.

          •  this is my point--2008 wasn't a remotely competive (1+ / 0-)
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            Chitown Kev

            race, so Cochran wouldn't have had to extend himself much out of the R base.  The R-base dynamics this time are obviously entirely different--that's the only reason we're talking about this senate race now, past the primary.  Cochran won that primary, to everyone's surprise, because he made a bring-home-the-pork case that Childers will probably not be able to make, even if he's inclined to (I don't know if he is).  

            However, if Childers does take 90% of the AA vote and it's a reasonable turnout, plus a chunk of white moderates, plus a few McD spite votes, and if half of McD's vote really does stay home...well, things will get interesting.

  •  If Childers is such a weak candidate, perhaps (0+ / 0-)

    there is somebody on the Progressive Democratic side that could step up with a credible write in/ third party candidate that gives African American Mississippians an exciting Alternative.

    Ouhgt to be a Black politician in the state that wants to pre-prep for a future run; sort of a name building stint.

    [assumption is Cochran will be the victor in November regardless of any scenario].

    Notice: This Comment © 2014 ROGNM UID 2547

    by ROGNM on Tue Jul 15, 2014 at 01:12:42 PM PDT

  •  Split the GOP / TP ers.... Haw! n/t (1+ / 0-)
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    a2nite

    The Republican Party is run by the KOCH BROTHERS.

    by unclebucky on Tue Jul 15, 2014 at 01:24:04 PM PDT

  •  black voters (0+ / 0-)

    they have a point...don't 'tan people' only count as 3/5's in the south??

    d

  •  On this beautiful summer day, (0+ / 0-)

    I am thankful that I am not Chris McDaniel.  

    It'd be hard to go through life that ugly and hateful.

    “If the misery of the poor be caused not by the laws of nature, but by our institutions, great is our sin.” Charles Darwin

    by ivorybill on Tue Jul 15, 2014 at 01:28:21 PM PDT

  •  If there Republicans who should smell the coffee.. (2+ / 0-)
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    Chitown Kev, METAL TREK

    There are Democrats who smell the popcorn.

    If there ever was a fight about nothing substantial, this election fills the bill.  Both are very conservative, both are solid Republicans.

    If the Republicans manage to lose this seat, they have only themselves to blame.

  •  So does Obama come and fight for Childers (0+ / 0-)

    and bring back the base...

    but the risk pulling all those McDaniels supporters to Cochran...

    •  NO. (0+ / 0-)

      Obama is forbidden from entering KY, GA or MS until after the election. He's essentially a boogieman down there. All three of our candidates are going to need a significant portion of the Romney vote to win.

      "Change will not come if we wait for some other person or some other time. We are the ones we've been waiting for. We are the change that we seek." - Barack Obama

      by anshmishra on Tue Jul 15, 2014 at 09:39:44 PM PDT

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  •  Couldn't some third party nominate McDaniels (0+ / 0-)

    and have his name on the ballot?

  •  Does this example of bad sportsmanship or (3+ / 0-)
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    poor loserism really feel that much different than the behavior of the right wing, starting with their infamous get-together, called by McConnell, to swear themselves to the goal of making President Obama a one-term President?  

    This is another example of the party-wide sociopathy that I believe now controls and pervades the republican party.  

    What an irony that they still cannot comprehend how disgraceful this looks, that no one wants to be led, in the future, by a party or an individual who has shown themselves to be so small and lacking in character that they cannot acknowledge that someone beat them fair and square.  They cannot behave with honor, congratulate the winner, and live to fight another day.  

    That is simply impossible for a sociopath to do.    

    Proceed, loser McDaniel, by all means, proceed.  Secure your permanent place in our country's history.  Over in the deepest shadows, with other forgotten political villains and has beens.  

  •  Aprapos to nothing (0+ / 0-)

    I think Tim Matheson needs to play McDaniel in an HBO movie like "Game Change."

    Wealth doesn't trickle down -- it rises up.

    by elsaf on Tue Jul 15, 2014 at 01:39:30 PM PDT

  •  I think Cochran should switch (0+ / 0-)

    parties, turn blue.

    A true craftsman will meticulously construct the apparatus of his own demise.

    by onionjim on Tue Jul 15, 2014 at 01:46:46 PM PDT

  •  If I'm reading this right, McDaniel backers (1+ / 0-)
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    who think he rightfully won the runoff don't think black's votes should count?  

    But the tea party isn't racist, right?  That's absolutely disgusting, but love that it's out there for all to see, if anyone bothers to look, that is.

    The GOP will destroy anything they can't own.

    by AnnieR on Tue Jul 15, 2014 at 02:01:28 PM PDT

  •  I just sent the McDaniel a couple of bucks. (2+ / 0-)
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    MKSinSA, Chitown Kev

    I want to keep comedy show running until November.

    There are only two kinds of Republicans: Millionaires and fools.

    by deh on Tue Jul 15, 2014 at 02:20:33 PM PDT

  •  I seldom agree with the Tea Party (0+ / 0-)

    But I want McDaniel to keep fighting, too.

  •  I'll believe it when they don't vote for Cochran. (0+ / 0-)

    Once in a while you get shown the light, in the strangest of places if you look at it right.

    by darthstar on Tue Jul 15, 2014 at 02:43:36 PM PDT

  •  More popcorn! (0+ / 0-)

    "A Republican moves slowly. They are what we call conservatives. A conservative is a man who has plenty of money and doesn't see any reason why he shouldn't always have plenty of money." ~ Will Rogers

    by Lefty Coaster on Tue Jul 15, 2014 at 03:53:25 PM PDT

  •  Time Cochran backers ask a birth certicate (0+ / 0-)

    from McDaniel. Clearly McDaniel is a commie dupe in league with Osama bin Laden who never died.

    Every human being has paid the earth to grow up. Most people don’t grow up. And you find out what it costs us to love and to lose, to dare and to fail. And maybe even more, to succeed. What it costs, in truth.—Maya Angelou

    by TerryDarc on Tue Jul 15, 2014 at 04:43:24 PM PDT

  •  Why (0+ / 0-)

    Would you vote for someone who would make the state poorer

  •  what do you mean, won't back Cochran? (0+ / 0-)

    Don't they have any respect for Mississippi law? After voting in the Republican runoff, aren't they "legally" obligated to support the Republican candidate?

  •  McDanielites are guilty of voter fraud? (0+ / 0-)

    Doesn't the unenforceable Mississippi statute require voters in the GOP primary to support the winner? That is the reason they are objecting to Democrats voting in the runoff?

    "Doubt kills more dreams than failure ever will."

    by never forget 2000 on Tue Jul 15, 2014 at 08:18:24 PM PDT

  •  Too bad Al Gore didn't wage the same battle (0+ / 0-)

    against the Supreme Court decision that cost him the election.

    "You can die for Freedom, you just can't exercise it"

    by shmuelman on Tue Jul 15, 2014 at 09:49:41 PM PDT

  •  So all these McDaniel whiners (0+ / 0-)

    will NOT be voting.  IIRC one of their BIG complaints is an unenforceable law that says that you have to agree to vote for the candidate nominated in the primary you voted in.  They argued that those Dems who voted for Cochran wouldn't be voting for him in the general.  Soooo...the only way THEY could not break that law would be to stay home.  And we all know that they are ALL about following the law.  Right?

  •  Stupid is as stupid does... (0+ / 0-)

    "My mind is made up. Don't confuse me with the facts!"

    If not us, who? If not now, when?

    by FamilyDocForDean on Fri Jul 18, 2014 at 10:56:21 PM PDT

  •  Has a MS Democrat ever voted in a manner (0+ / 0-)

    that would suggest he/she is a Democrat?  Ever?  It would be political suicide. Right? Gene Taylor is now a Republican. Still, better to have a chance in hell than no chance at all, if a Democrat happens to win. MS is not a state the Dems should bet all the marbles on, IMO, due to the winner having to get along with the voters there. I am not pinning any hopes on that state & I hope Dems don't waste a lot of money on it.

    In 2010-37% of eligible American voters voted for their U.S. Reps. (Census) The 1% is not taking this country from us. We are giving it to them.

    by Incredulousinusa on Tue Jul 22, 2014 at 01:11:17 PM PDT

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