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  •  MN-HD-48B (4+ / 0-)

    Sheila Kihne (I'm not sure how her last name is pronounced), who is running against MN State Rep. Jenifer Loon (R-Eden Prairie) in the Republican primary, is one of the most vile candidates for public office I've ever seen:

    On a blog she discontinued in 2009, she wrote that President Barack Obama was leading the one-world-order communists and demanded that single mothers be denied formal wedding ceremonies.

    “Don’t you think that if you’re having a baby — and you’re not married — that you should forego the shower?” she asked. “I also think that if you get married — and are knocked up — you should get married quietly. At a courthouse, at a private home.”

    Kihne specifically said that there should be no dancing or dinner for prospective brides who are pregnant. She acknowledge that “I’m seen as very cold-hearted with this issue and it’s caused a couple of big arguments in my family,” but insisted on standing her ground against “the idiots in Hollywood who make it look ‘cool’ to tote a baby around sans daddy.”

    Should Khine win the Republican nomination, there is a Democratic candidate in this race: Joan Howe-Pullis. Is there any chance of a Democratic victory in this district?
  •  Alternative history- John McCain in 2000 (10+ / 0-)

    This comes from the comment that McCain made, that if he was President, there may not have been an Iraq War.

    I think McCain would have beaten Gore handily.  Too many of those who were "centrist" and "center-left" in 2000 saw McCain as a different kind of politician. Also we'd have more idiotic Naderites, some of them eventually came to their senses because GWB looked so scary.  With McCain seeming more moderate and a "maverick", Nader would get more than the 2.5% he got.  

    As bad as McCain was, I think he'd still have been far better than GWB in many ways.  Less emphasis on tax cuts, less blatantly pro-corporate, more on campaign finance reform, and less polarizing cultural policy.  But I still think he'd be a warmonger.

    •  He wouldn't have ordered torture (0+ / 0-)

      He might have prevented 9/11 - hard to know. And he might have invaded Iran as well as Iraq and gotten into an extremely dangerous war with North Korea.

      Formerly Pan on Swing State Project

      by MichaelNY on Sat Jul 19, 2014 at 01:49:04 PM PDT

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    •  On the other hand.... (2+ / 0-)
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      ....in the General election in 2000 Bush ran to the center.  He attacked Clinton's foreign policy as being too adventurous, supported efforts to combat global warming, and even condemned Lieberman's proposals for movie censorship (that Gore stupidly embraced).  It was enough that I sadly voted for Bush mistakenly thinking he was a moderate.

      Bush had the freedom to run for the center because he ran in the primary on the right.

      John McCain on the other hand would've had a far more fractured relationship with the right and may have repeated his mistake in 2008 and ran hard right to try to excite the base and end up losing the moderates.

      As far as how McCain would've been as President.  It's hard to say since he can be temperamental.  He has it within to be a great president.  He also has it within him to be pigheaded.  Given how badly George W Bush did however I'd gladly role the dice again.

      "Heretics are the only remedy against the entropy of human thought.” ― Yevgeny Zamyatin

      by Taget on Sun Jul 20, 2014 at 07:22:08 AM PDT

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      •  In some ways he did (2+ / 0-)
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        But to two important groups, GWB came off as a hard right guy.  In particular he was hard right on cultural issues, and that is what rouses the center-left.  

        One group are socially moderate to liberal independents.  Bush's Southern background and evangelical Christianity scared them enough to vote for Gore.  But many of them would have eaten up McCain (who publicly bashed Pat Robertson and Jerry Falwell) in a heartbeat.  (I know several of these types, and some of them actually thought that McCain was pro-choice).

        The other group were solid liberal/progressives who were disgusted with Clinton's centrism.  This group matters because a lot of them seriously considered Nader, and committed to Gore at the end only because Bush came off as a hard right guy on cultural issues.  With McCain as the candidate, I think a lot of them go and vote for Nader.

        I think McCain would come out of a victorious primary with something like a 20% edge in the polls over Gore.  My guess is that McCain may ditch running to the right completely with those kind of numbers.  The main reason why McCain ran heavily to the right in 2008 was that he overlearned the lessons of his loss in 2000.

      •  McCain's temperment (7+ / 0-)

        The one thing I have noticed about him is that he has a real thin skin and can be very petty.  His feelings get hurt easily.

        For example, I've read that McCain didn't vote for Bush in 2000 general after the nasty primary.  And then in the next 1-2 years, he basically was the most centrist R in the Senate (voting against the Bush tax cuts), but I don't think those were his real views, but rather he was just voting against Bush because his feelings had been hurt in 2000.

        Same thing with McCain in 2009 onward; part of the reason why he has been such an intractable asshole (rather than his image as a bipartisan dealmaker) was because his feelings were hurt in 2008.  McCain stated that his feelings were hurt in the third debate when John Lewis attacked his campaign for stirring up racial hostilities.

  •  Whispers in the morning... nt (0+ / 0-)

    19/Sweden/Wonk. Prefers discussing opinions to having them. Learning by doing.

    by Tayya on Sat Jul 19, 2014 at 07:51:27 AM PDT

  •  OT: Funny story (16+ / 0-)

    So I was talking with a very non-political friend of mine who may be doing her Masters at Perdue University. I briefly mentioned that it was a wonderful university, except it's set in Indiana and headed by the former governor. Incredulously, she responds, "You know who the former governor of Indiana is???" I say, "Of course, why wouldn't I? I also know the current one."

    Thus begins a quiz on whether I could name the governors of a couple dozen states. I got them all right except I couldn't remember ND's, and mixed it up with SD's (I knew it was some Dutch name that started with a D). I also had a minor brain fart on John Kasich in Ohio, but I got him after a few minutes - I guess that just goes to show how much of a nobody he really is on the national stage.

    DKE has real-world benefits, I'm telling ya!

  •  CA Controller (11+ / 0-)

      Former CA Assembly Speaker John Perez has halted the recount in the amazingly close Controller's race. The official count had him 481 votes behind Board of Equalization member Betty Yee. He only gained about ten votes in precincts he chose for recount.

        Yee now has the Democratic Party endorsement and will most likely be our next Controller. She was massively outspent by Perez but won because she was better qualified for the position. She paid for a statement in the voter guide while Perez did not. In a race decided by fewer than 500 votes that may have given her the edge.

        Perez wouldn't have been bad, but it is nice to see the underdog win once in a while...

    Diehard Swingnut, disgruntled Democrat, age 55, CA-30

    by Zack from the SFV on Sat Jul 19, 2014 at 08:23:20 AM PDT

    •  I Voted for Yee In The Primary (5+ / 0-)

      and am thrilled she can finally claim the nomination.  Yee is a true progressive and soon to be rock star of the CA Democratic Party. For those of you unfamiliar with her, watch her speech here to the CA State Democratic Convention:

      http://youtu.be/...

      And do not take her election for granted.  Republicans have nominated several candidates for statewide office in the Controller's race as well as for Secretary of State. that for the GOP, are good candidates, and are getting a lot of endorsements from newspaper editorial boards.  With races for Governor, Lt. Governor and Attorney General overshadowing these races, and with both major party candidates for these offices being short on cash to get their message out, swing and Decline to State voters could hand one or both of these offices to republicans.

      "The quote on the Statue of Liberty doesn't say 'give me your english-speaking only, Christian-believing, heterosexual masses'

      by unapologeticliberal777 on Sat Jul 19, 2014 at 08:56:21 AM PDT

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      •  yeah she is great (1+ / 0-)
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          and the key to her winning is getting out the Democratic vote, which will take some work because the top of the ticket is such a mismatch. Maybe some hot ballot measures will get some excitement happening. In particular, the one to give the Insurance Commissioner rate approval of health insurance premium hikes should interest some voters. I am pretty sure she will win, though because the CDP swept all the statewides in 2010 and 2014 should be a better year than that.

        Diehard Swingnut, disgruntled Democrat, age 55, CA-30

        by Zack from the SFV on Sat Jul 19, 2014 at 10:52:08 AM PDT

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      •  That's not how it works (13+ / 0-)

        In low-profile races, people tend to vote their natural partisanship, and California's natural partisanship is strongly Democratic. Thus, Yee and Padilla will probably both win by strong margins, since they're both pretty much generic Democrats running in California. Except in a few select cases, nobody cares about newspaper editorial endorsements. Ashley Swearengin is certainly the strongest Republican statewide candidate in California this year, but that's not saying much; she has no appeal to the vote-rich coastline, and while she'll overperform in the Central Valley, that doesn't matter much. While obviously we should never be overconfident about any race, I wouldn't worry about any of California's statewide offices this year.

      •  It would be a huge shock (2+ / 0-)
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        if any Republican won a statewide office in California this year. California is really too Democratic for that. Of course, anyone trying to turn the voters out should make the mathematically plausible argument that if all Democratic voters stayed home, Republicans would win, but the chances of that actually happening would seem to me to be vanishingly small.

        Formerly Pan on Swing State Project

        by MichaelNY on Sat Jul 19, 2014 at 01:55:15 PM PDT

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        •  I don't see republicans winning statewide in CA (1+ / 0-)
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          They did everything possible in previous years to make this almost imposssible. But - they (probably) strive for respectable percentage in 1-2 races for the start, and - who knows - may be they will get in in one race.

          Very Independent minded. Moderate. Extremely cynical (main principle: don't easily believe anyone, but himself).

          by Ragmod on Sat Jul 19, 2014 at 09:43:00 PM PDT

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  •  Open thread discussion - Historical Campaigns (2+ / 0-)
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    Thoughts in my head, three minutes ago:
    >>I wouldn't mind another open thread question than the usual one
    >>Then how about making up a topic yourself?

    I got interested in American politics around the 2012 elections, and thus I've missed many details of what happened before it. I'd therefore like to suggest to the community here, of which many of us have great deals of knowledge, that we can discuss historical presidential campaigns here, with a focus on Democratic candidates in modern times (i. e. post-Nixon).

    We all more or less know which candidates ran, but which platform did they run on? Which demographics did they cater to? For example, I know that Tom Harkin ran on some kind of farmer-labor populist campaign in '92, but I don't know much more than that. And who the heck voted for Carol Moseley-Braun in 2004?

    What can we learn from all these campaigns? How can we bridge together the Dukakis-Jackson-Gore-Hart-Biden-Simon-Gephardt-Babbitt coalitions? Which counties did they perform the strongest in? Et cetera.

    19/Sweden/Wonk. Prefers discussing opinions to having them. Learning by doing.

    by Tayya on Sat Jul 19, 2014 at 08:58:14 AM PDT

    •  Well Ted Kennedy in 1980 (2+ / 0-)
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      ran on a liberal platform against Carter in 1980. Many Democrats felt Carter had been too conservative for their liking and Kennedy saw the opportunity to take advantage of that. He ran with a gay rights platform (put together by the late Bill Krause).

      I'm still undecided on the his challenge. On one end Kennedy forced Carter to moved to the left and adopt nearly all the liberal platforms Kennedy ran on. But the primary challenge consumed campaign funds and probably weakened Carter in the general election.  Democrats were left divided after one of the most bruising Presidential primaries.

      "There are three basic types: the Wills, the Won'ts, and the Can'ts. The Wills accomplish everything, the Won'ts oppose everything, and the Can'ts won't try anything"

      by lordpet8 on Sun Jul 20, 2014 at 05:09:10 PM PDT

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  •  I did a post about (2+ / 0-)
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    Oregon's state house races to watch this year, and I'd suggest checking it out this weekend if you want to catch it. I'll be doing a post about exactly why the ballot measure we'll have to create a top-2 primary is so bad and that will have to replace it on the DK Elections list.

    We no longer ask if a man has integrity, but if he has talent. - Rousseau, Discourse on the arts and sciences

    by James Allen on Sat Jul 19, 2014 at 09:37:12 AM PDT

  •  MN-Gov (0+ / 0-)

    So far I've only heard one ad (Scott Honour over the radio at work (Twin Cities based station) complaining about MNSure and "politicians"), and even the playtime for that is rare.

    I haven't heard a peep from the endorsed R candidate Jeff Johnson, and all I know of Seifert is that his campaign has budgeted a lot of money for yard signs to be placed along Highway 23.

    Then again, I don't have TV so I might be missing something, but overall it's easy to forget almost all of the GOP candidates.

    MN-06/MN-08 Raised MN-01

    by Jervill on Sat Jul 19, 2014 at 09:39:45 AM PDT

  •  Cook moves IA-Sen to tossup (10+ / 0-)

    As I said before, when in doubt, Cook moves to Tossup.

    He now has 9 senate races as tossups: MI, CO, IA, AK, NC, LA, AR, KY, and GA.  Why go out on a limb when you can just call every race a tossup?  Lol.

  •  Awesome Piece on Edwin Edwards (11+ / 0-)
    Down the road, at the Lane Regional Medical Center, Edwards stopped in to see a friend, W. T. Price, a longtime Edwards operative in the East Feliciana Parish area. Price had just gotten a knee replacement and lay flat on his back, his large body nearly covering the entire hospital bed. Price recalled one campaign when Edwards said he needed “75 percent” of the parish. “I brought him 90 percent,” Price crowed.

    “W.T., how are you feeling?” Edwards asked.

    “It hurts. Hurts a lot,” Price said.

    “Old men like us, it all hurts,” Edwards said sympathetically. “But don’t worry about it. Your health is more important than any election.”

    It was one of those Edwards moments I was beginning to recognize now, the old devil’s methodology, the way nothing is ever said, or done, without some sort of plan, even if the governor himself may not have had conscious knowledge of that plan before setting it in motion. Machiavelli might call it talent. Here was Edwards, the battered but unbowed “boss,” getting his guys together for one last go-round, a final political caper, the back-from-the-dead comeback that would live forever. And right then, W. T. Price began to smile. “Don’t kid me, Governor, nothing’s more important than an election. Working for you, that’s the sweet medicine,” he said.

    http://nymag.com/...

    "There are three basic types: the Wills, the Won'ts, and the Can'ts. The Wills accomplish everything, the Won'ts oppose everything, and the Can'ts won't try anything"

    by lordpet8 on Sat Jul 19, 2014 at 11:08:04 AM PDT

    •  Is Edwards connected to the Landrieus in any way? (6+ / 0-)

      I wonder if the Landrieu campaign might have encouraged him to run in order to drive up Democratic performance in the district. Getting a few more percentage points in one district in a state with six is certainly nontrivial.

      •  Nor particularly, but he will (10+ / 0-)

        drive up Dem turnout in the runoff. All of the Republicans running are generic, second tier, and boring.

        "Once, many, many years ago I thought I was wrong. Of course it turned out I had been right all along. But I was wrong to have thought I was wrong." -John Foster Dulles. My Political Compass Score: -4.00, -3.69, Proud member of DKE

        by ArkDem14 on Sat Jul 19, 2014 at 02:01:02 PM PDT

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        •  Does he have any chance (2+ / 0-)
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          of actually winning?  I know the district is ridiculously Republican, but are some of them former Democrats who liked Edwards?

          •  Doubtful, there have been a few polls that (4+ / 0-)
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            have him losing the runoff to any of the Republicans with ease, plus it's a district Romney won 2-1 and even Landrieu herself lost it by almost 10 points in 2008.

            I also don't know how positive it will be that this and potentially the 5th district might also go to runoffs in December. They're both Republican districts and regardless of how strong the Democrat is running, all else equal will help Republican turnout for the December senate race. It's a shame the 2nd district isn't open too so that we could have runoff turnout there to help us in December, but that's really why Louisiana's current system is such BS and unnecessary (some form of preference voting is vastly superior and costs less).

            •  I would actually argue (0+ / 0-)

              that some of these runoff systems are actually unconstitutional.  They increase the burden for voting when there exist systems like IRV that would be result in less of a voting burden.
              Perhaps if and when we get a more liberal Supreme Court, they will rule it as such.

            •  Landrieu was kind of weak (2+ / 0-)
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              in the southern tier and the Felicianas. Whether Edwards wins depends on two things: whether the Republican primary is sufficiently nasty that Republican turnout is low in Livingston. And that he does considerable better in Terrebonne and Lafourche than Landrieu, and better in the rest of the rural white cajun areas of the district.

              "Once, many, many years ago I thought I was wrong. Of course it turned out I had been right all along. But I was wrong to have thought I was wrong." -John Foster Dulles. My Political Compass Score: -4.00, -3.69, Proud member of DKE

              by ArkDem14 on Sat Jul 19, 2014 at 05:20:49 PM PDT

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              •  But that's just my point, turnout won't depend (2+ / 0-)
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                solely on this race, it will be driven by the senate race, but the turnout that does depend on this race isn't statistically liable to help Landrieu since even if it's pro-Edwards those voters will likely favor Cassidy.

                Put another way, do you think this race is not "Safe Republican" to use the parlance of Cook/Rothenberg/Sabato etc? I don't see how Edwards possibly wins even if he might get 45% in a runoff.

                •  I don't think it'll be driven.. (2+ / 0-)
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                  by the senate race, actually. EE is a seriously high profile figure with a ridiculously long record of service, both statewide and in communities that are important for him to win in November. I suspect the district will see by far the highest turnout of the LA delegation.

                  Another thing to consider: Runoffs sometimes favor us in LA. The 2002 senate race saw Landrieu go from 46% of the vote to 51%, despite the other Democrat only getting less than 2% in November.

                  I think he's got a shot. There's absolutely no way for the Republicans to nationalize the race, not with a guy like Edwards who could be Obama's grandfather for christ's sakes. I'd say he's got as good of a shot at the seat as James Lee Witt does in AR-04.

                •  Edwin Edwards drives up turn out (2+ / 0-)
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                  among older white cajun voters who lean Democratic in state elections.

                  "Once, many, many years ago I thought I was wrong. Of course it turned out I had been right all along. But I was wrong to have thought I was wrong." -John Foster Dulles. My Political Compass Score: -4.00, -3.69, Proud member of DKE

                  by ArkDem14 on Sat Jul 19, 2014 at 10:46:47 PM PDT

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            •  That's just not accurate (0+ / 0-)

              The runoff system tends to be beneficial for Democrats, as they get their voters out more reliably, and more generally, it tends to favor better known candidates. There is no uniform or realiable Republican advantage in the system, like there is in say, Georgia.

              "Once, many, many years ago I thought I was wrong. Of course it turned out I had been right all along. But I was wrong to have thought I was wrong." -John Foster Dulles. My Political Compass Score: -4.00, -3.69, Proud member of DKE

              by ArkDem14 on Sat Jul 19, 2014 at 05:22:22 PM PDT

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    •  haha (15+ / 0-)

      Some gems:

      “So Carville thinks I’m gonna lose, huh?” Edwards said with a tight smile. “All I know is there’s nine Republicans in the race and me. That makes it almost a fair fight.”
      That was the worst thing about Katrina for him, EWE said, “being unfairly locked up, watching people drowning, not being able to do anything about it. I would have been out there in a boat, trying to save someone, no matter what the Bush people said.”
      “Could take you up on that,” Edwards said breezily. “But it is hard to replace someone like Eric Cantor. I could never be that big an asshole.”
      This is why I miss southern dems like Edwards, LBJ, Huey Long, and Ralph Yarborough - the old school economic populists who also cared deeply about race relations. No one today could match these guys on policy and popularity except maybe Elizabeth Warren.
      •  From The Atlantic: (5+ / 0-)
        It turned out that the Shriners had neglected to notify local law enforcement of their procession, and two more squad cars soon arrived on the scene. But the Shriners managed to plead their case. Most of them were deputized by their local sheriff's office, and, after all, they represented a charity. No one would be cited. Edwards bounced up and down in his seat as the conversation between the Shriners and the cops seemed to lapse from official business into small talk. "OK, fella, don't be talking to him. All you gotta be saying is good-bye," he said looking into the rearview mirror.

        Just as the motorcade was finally ready to depart, a bald African-American deputy slowly sidled up to the Escalade, approaching from the passenger's side. Edwards rolled down the window.

        "Hey, I just wanted to let you know, my man."

        "Yes?" Edwards said, a little unsure.

        "I sure wish it was you still here. I haven't seen it ran any better since you left."

        The former governor smiled. "Well, I appreciate you saying that."

        "I'm serious, all right?" the deputy continued. "I haven't seen one better since. I haven't seen one better, baby. I haven't."

        Edwards smiled. "I'll tell the sheriff you're a nice fella," he said.

        "Once, many, many years ago I thought I was wrong. Of course it turned out I had been right all along. But I was wrong to have thought I was wrong." -John Foster Dulles. My Political Compass Score: -4.00, -3.69, Proud member of DKE

        by ArkDem14 on Sat Jul 19, 2014 at 02:02:34 PM PDT

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    •  Also had a great write up in the Atlantic (5+ / 0-)

      http://www.theatlantic.com/...

      I almost think this whole thing is a set up to test whether he might have a shot in the gubernatorial election.

      "Once, many, many years ago I thought I was wrong. Of course it turned out I had been right all along. But I was wrong to have thought I was wrong." -John Foster Dulles. My Political Compass Score: -4.00, -3.69, Proud member of DKE

      by ArkDem14 on Sat Jul 19, 2014 at 02:00:33 PM PDT

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      •  I loved this particularly (9+ / 0-)
        "Poverty in prison is a big issue, and it doesn't get talked about," Thomas told me. "Anytime anyone new came to the prison, Guv always put together a care package—hygiene products. It was, if you need deodorant, soap, shower sandals—here it is. Some guys in prison didn't come in with anything. Guv's humanity was always bigger than his politics." (Edwards: "I wasn't supposed to do that, but I did it. They had nothing.")

        "I'll never forget a conversation he had with some muckety-muck white-collar guys," Thomas continued. "They said, 'Guv, you ought to hang with us, not those guys,' and he said, basically, 'Shut up,' but his language was harsher. He would hang out with white, black, Hispanic, some of the Vietnamese gang members from New Orleans .… I wish everyone in politics would go to prison—they'd be much closer to the people, not so removed. What do we know about a lot of politicians who shine their halo? Guv's been there, done that."

        "Once, many, many years ago I thought I was wrong. Of course it turned out I had been right all along. But I was wrong to have thought I was wrong." -John Foster Dulles. My Political Compass Score: -4.00, -3.69, Proud member of DKE

        by ArkDem14 on Sat Jul 19, 2014 at 02:05:26 PM PDT

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      •  There's a slight inaccuracy in that article (7+ / 0-)

        Roemer technically never defeated Edwards in an election. In 1987, Roemer and Edwards got first and second place, respectively, in the primary. However, Edwards knew he would lose the runoff, so he withdrew in order to deny Roemer the chance to build an electoral coalition. This paid off four years later, in that infamous election in which Roemer finished third in the primary, leaving Edwards and David Duke to move on to the runoff.

        •  One of Edwards' shrewdest ever moves (4+ / 0-)
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          But Roemer helped him every step of the way. Roemer was in over his head, intelligent, overly idealistic, and actually really centrist on many issues, particular social conservative hot button issues where he refused to sign a really stringent anti-abortion bill. Being convinced to switch parties only sunk him further.

          "Once, many, many years ago I thought I was wrong. Of course it turned out I had been right all along. But I was wrong to have thought I was wrong." -John Foster Dulles. My Political Compass Score: -4.00, -3.69, Proud member of DKE

          by ArkDem14 on Sat Jul 19, 2014 at 02:28:54 PM PDT

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  •  FL-07: This isn't huge news, but... (4+ / 0-)
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    ...Wes Neuman, the Democratic nominee in my congressional district, Florida's 7th, recently endorsed a Republican running for Congress in the neighboring 5th district against Democratic Congresswoman Corrine Brown. While I'm certainly no fan of Brown and I think that her litigation over the Fair Districts Amendments is inflammatory, she's definitely better than a Republican.

    What he said (from his Facebook page) is:

    Unfortunately, Corrine Brown is a career politician, and a terrible one, at that.

    Her vehement opposition to fairer districts has made it clear she is not fit to serve. Do I agree with every policy position of Glo Smith for U.S. Congress?

    Absolutely not! However, I've met her, and she, like me, are what we need in Congress: real, representative Americans who are willing to actually represent the people, not their party. The Democratic Party, try as they might, isn't right about everything.

    Anyone who believes that, meet me at at Camera #3: I've got a fine new line of clothing to offer you; worn once, new, by an Emperor, no less

    While I understand that this is small potatoes in the grand scheme of things, because Mica is going to win re-election in a landslide and so is Brown, it's still irritating. I've gone to Neuman's events, I've given him some minor contributions as entrance fees to those events, and I was formally affiliated with the campaign up until this. It just fundamentally bothers me that he thought it was a good idea to endorse a Republican over one of the few Democrats representing Florida in the House.

    20, FL-07. UCF student pursuing a B.A. in Political Science, future teacher/politician. Yes, I'm proudly supporting Charlie Crist! "The Republican vision is clear: I've got mine, the rest of you are on your own." -Elizabeth Warren

    by Tyler Yeargain on Sat Jul 19, 2014 at 12:28:56 PM PDT

  •  DCCC: Rep. Rick Nolan added to Frontline (1+ / 0-)
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    http://www.dccc.org/...

    I'm surprised he wasn't there already.

    I think they could remove Lois Capps, Elizabeth Esty, and Patrick Murphy.

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    by SCDem4 on Sat Jul 19, 2014 at 12:48:17 PM PDT

  •  Jobless claims keep going lower (9+ / 0-)

    even lower than expected by economists, down to 302,000 last week. At this rate, July may end up being a 300k new job month as well.

    http://www.businessweek.com/...

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    by ArkDem14 on Sat Jul 19, 2014 at 02:07:59 PM PDT

    •  You can only claim if you qualify (3+ / 0-)
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      Qualifications are not limited to having recently lost a job.  Numerous states have made it harder to get thru the process.

      The job market is getting better, but initial claims currently understates the weakness of the labor market more than it did a few years ago..

      Iron sharpens Iron. Normal is a dryer setting. STOP illegal immigration NOW! -- Make it LEGAL. If Corporations are People--Let's draft them.

      by benamery21 on Sat Jul 19, 2014 at 02:38:02 PM PDT

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      •  I like DCC's method.. (0+ / 0-)

        of using the margin between U3 and U6 as one measure of the strength of the job market. Hopefully we'll see a major downtick in the U6 number, since I don't think the U3 number can get much lower before plateauing.

        •  There's lots of useful data (3+ / 0-)
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          showing that the employment recovery is not nearly complete, but continues to improve slowly.  Both U3 and U6 currently understate the weakness of the labor market relative to historical levels of those indices.  

          A few other things to look at:
          Part time for economic reasons
          Unemployed more than 6 months (skewed recently by the unprecedented nonrenewal of EUC), as % of U3
          Employment to population ratio for various cohorts and demographics, particularly 25-54
          Wage growth
          JOLTS (quits, in particular)

          Iron sharpens Iron. Normal is a dryer setting. STOP illegal immigration NOW! -- Make it LEGAL. If Corporations are People--Let's draft them.

          by benamery21 on Sat Jul 19, 2014 at 03:22:31 PM PDT

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          •  More people (1+ / 0-)
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            have been quiting lately, which is a sign of confidence in finding a new job. A lot of baby boomers are retiring as well, which should start opening a lot of good positions for the glut of young college graduates.

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            by ArkDem14 on Sat Jul 19, 2014 at 03:43:51 PM PDT

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            •  Last I looked (1+ / 0-)
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              Employment to population ratio has actually increased appreciably among the 55+ cohorts over what it was leading up to the recession*, and was dramatically lower for cohorts younger than 55.  Many older employed people can't afford to retire.  Early retirement and disability are being used as a safety net by folks who are involuntarily retired.

              *That is not inconsistent with increasing retirement rates, given boomer cohort size, it simply means rates haven't increased as much as would be the case were boomers as able or likely to retire as previous cohorts.

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              by benamery21 on Sat Jul 19, 2014 at 04:05:04 PM PDT

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  •  Just reminding everyone (8+ / 0-)

    We got a fantastic discussion going on in this week's Policy Thread.  We always welcome other DKE people to join us (and help avoid policy derails in the regular DKE threads).

  •  three races I'm interested in (2+ / 0-)
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    AR NC and IA senate races.

    Arkansas - Cotton is a DB and reeks of an arrogant young turk who belongs giving powerpoints at Heritage conferences as opposed to being a senator

    NC - North Carolina republicans might as well be Frank Abagnale because they are thiefs. They don't deserve two senate seats. This seat was also once held by he-who-must-not-be-named and I don't want the reign of terror to be resumed.

    IA - Iowa doesn't deserve two republican senators and the Iowa GOP is supposedly bad. Ernst also is a cliche of every bad stereotype of a republican woman and I don't want her embarrassing my home state.

    You're probably wondering why I'm being negative. It has to do with my politics which is more anti-republican than progressive.

    idiosyncratic, slightly anarchist, darwinist, moral relativist, fan of satire

    by bonzo925 on Sat Jul 19, 2014 at 03:02:27 PM PDT

  •  I thought it'd be fun to do a blast from the past (16+ / 0-)

    1990 Senate results in a nutshell. Here are some of the more amusing results considering today's politics:

    Arkansas - David Pryor wins 99.83% in the Grand Soviet Oblast of Arkansas. The hilarious named write-in of Betty White receives 832 votes.

    Oklahoma: David Boren wins 83.16% of the vote despite running against an actual Republican.

    Montana: Max Baucus wins 68-29. Winning all but two counties.

    Indiana: Dan Coats underperforms, defeating the young, sacrificial Democratic candidate (a some dude called Baron Hill or something) 54-46.

    Nebraska: Democrat Jim Exon wins reelection to a third term, 58-40, despite running against former 4 term Omaha Congressman Hal Daub, who was quite popular with conservatives.

    Kentucky: After his nastiest and most infamous campaign ever, McConnell defeats Louisville mayor Harvey Sloane (who helped start his political career with crossover support for McConnell's Jefferson County Executive campaign) 52-47.

    Minnesota: Paul Wellstone narrowly upsets Rudy Boschwitz.

    Michigan: Carl Levin beats then some dude Bill Schutette 57-40. Amazingly enough, Schutette comes back two decades later to get elected Attorney General.

    North Carolina: Helms narrowly holds of Gantt 52-47.

    Louisiana: Bennet Johnson gets caught napping and only beats David Duke 53-43% in the first round, sparking Duke's insurgent gubernatorial campaign.

    New Jersey: Bill Bradley almost loses to Christine Whitman. 50-47.

    Georgia: Sam Nunn wins 100% of the vote in his final election. 100%.

    Alabama: The actually somewhat progressive Howell Heflin, who despised his successor, won reelection 60-39, winning all but three counties in the state.

    Tennessee: Gore wins reelection 68-29, winning every county in the state.

    What a difference two decades makes.

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    by ArkDem14 on Sat Jul 19, 2014 at 03:56:00 PM PDT

    •  How can you mention North Carolina 1990 without (6+ / 0-)

      bringing up Jesse Helms' infamous and racist "Hands" ad:

      [Narrator] You needed that job... and you were the best qualified, but they had to give it to a minority... because of a racial quota. Is that really fair? Harvey Gant says it is. Gant supports Ted Kennedy's racial quota law that makes the color of your skin more important than your qualifications. Your vote on this issue next Tuesday: For racial quotas: Harvey Gaint; Against racial quotas: Jesse Helms
      Also in Michigan Schuette was a sitting congressman when he challenged Levin so I wouldn't say he was a some dude... after his loss he served in the Engler administration then won election to the state senate and then the Michigna court of appeals before becoming attorney general in 2010 when the hilariously named Mike Cox ran for governor (and lost the nomination to Snyder).
    •  Also there's the flip side of your post (4+ / 0-)

      Colorado: Republican Rep. Hank Brown wins an open seat by 14 points.

      Maine: William Cohen wins reelection over st rep. Neil Rolde 61-39.

      New Hampshire: Rep. Bob Smith crushes former senator John Durkin for this open seat 65-31.

      New Mexico: Pete Domenici wins reelection by a ridiculous 73-27 spread over (some dude?) tom Benavidez, winning every county.

      Oregon: Mark Hatfield wins reelection 54-46 over businessman Harry Lonsdale.

      Virginia: John Warner has no Democratic opponent and wins reelection with 81% of the vote.

      •  This seems par the course for Maine (4+ / 0-)
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        Where no Democrat has gotten more than 45% of the vote in a Senate race since 1996. For whatever reason, Democrats have been more successful in New Hampshire, that bastion of New England conservatism, in the last decade than they have been in Maine.

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        by ArkDem14 on Sat Jul 19, 2014 at 05:17:44 PM PDT

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    •  Schuette* (3+ / 0-)
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      by wwmiv on Sat Jul 19, 2014 at 04:28:54 PM PDT

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    •  Not even two decades for Arkansas - Pryor won 2008 (10+ / 0-)

      Without a republican opponent.  He only has a Green Party opponent who was running to his left and won by an 80-20 margin.

      And Max Baucus beat his GOP challenger by a 73-27 margin in 2008.  Then again his republican opponent was an 85 year old perennial gadfly candidate Robert Kelleher who supported single-payer healthcare, switching the United States to a Parliamentary style government, nationalization of the U.S. oil and gas industries and  ban on handguns.

    •  A few comments (1+ / 0-)
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      David Boren beat the Republican Stephen Jones, who was the man who would defend Timothy McVeigh.

      I can't tell if you were sarcastic, but Baron Hill wasn't a some dude, he was in the Indiana State House at the time.  As you know he later became the congressperson from Indiana 9 from 1999-2011, except for 2005-2007.

      The North Carolina race was quite disappointing.  Harvey Gantt was on his way to winning that seat until Helms ran a blatantly racist ad against him.  It is worth noting here that a young Michael Jordan refused to endorse Gantt over Helms (saying that "Republicans buy my shoes too.")

      Only slightly less disappointing was the closeness of the Johnston-Duke race.  I'd think that African-Americans would have turned out in droves for such a race (as they would in 1991 for the Governors race where Duke got crushed.)

      •  I was totally being sarcastic (3+ / 0-)
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        He was a young, early thirties state rep with no name recognition running against a well-known Republican. He was sacrificial lamb to contest the seat and did fairly well.

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        by ArkDem14 on Sat Jul 19, 2014 at 05:16:10 PM PDT

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      •  Edwards went on to crush Duke 61-39, and yet... (16+ / 0-)

        ...Duke won the white vote 55-45.

        That's all I ever needed to know about Southern whites.

        46, male, Indian-American, and proud father of a girl and 2 boys, Democrat, VA-10

        by DCCyclone on Sat Jul 19, 2014 at 05:53:13 PM PDT

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        •  And the black vote? (4+ / 0-)

          I presume Edwards got in the 90s.

          “The universe is big. It’s vast and complicated and ridiculous. And sometimes, very rarely, impossible things just happen and we call them miracles.” -The Doctor

          by KingofSpades on Sat Jul 19, 2014 at 06:05:59 PM PDT

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        •  Well (4+ / 0-)
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          As for 1991, Duke was very good at disavowing the clan back then. He used the dogwhistle, and of course white protestants in Louisiana were deeply upset about gambling and booze and pissed at Edwards so they voted against him overwhelmingly. Not to mention the north part of the state always had a thing against Cajun style politics, with its vulgarity and lasseiz faire ethics. Also, this was 24 years ago. You're talking about a white population that was very different. Duke lost the 35 and under white vote something like 2:1.

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          by ArkDem14 on Sat Jul 19, 2014 at 10:55:03 PM PDT

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      •  Why did Duke do much better in 1990 than in 1991? (1+ / 0-)
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        It's not as if Duke's white supremacist affiliations only surfaced in the intervening year. Even in 1990, the Republican establishment rejected Duke, and several Republican senators openly endorsed Johnston. Johnston certainly wasn't senile (he was 58 in 1990) and as far as I can tell, he wasn't under an ethical cloud. Johnston's politics were also similar to those of John Breaux, who consistently won re-election easily, so he wasn't out-of-step with his state. So why did Duke come relatively close in 1990 (he lost by a bit over 10%)?

        •  Maybe he took it for granted (3+ / 0-)
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          and assumed he didn't need to lift a finger since he was running against an Imperial Wizard of the KKK.

          “The universe is big. It’s vast and complicated and ridiculous. And sometimes, very rarely, impossible things just happen and we call them miracles.” -The Doctor

          by KingofSpades on Sat Jul 19, 2014 at 06:05:17 PM PDT

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        •  I've always heard Johnson was invisible (1+ / 0-)
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          by ArkDem14 on Sat Jul 19, 2014 at 10:54:31 PM PDT

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    •  Sloane created a monster. (4+ / 0-)
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      When McConnell was Jefferson County Judge-Executive, he was pro-choice (supported Roe v. Wade), pro-finance reform, and pro-civil rights.  He festered with age, it seems.

      “The universe is big. It’s vast and complicated and ridiculous. And sometimes, very rarely, impossible things just happen and we call them miracles.” -The Doctor

      by KingofSpades on Sat Jul 19, 2014 at 06:08:20 PM PDT

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      •  Or, may be, he simply wanted (3+ / 0-)
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        to be elected statewide, where pro-choice and pro-civil rights position was much less popular then in urban Jeferson County.

        Very Independent minded. Moderate. Extremely cynical (main principle: don't easily believe anyone, but himself).

        by Ragmod on Sat Jul 19, 2014 at 10:39:38 PM PDT

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        •  No, even as a Senator McConnell (4+ / 0-)
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          became much more conservative over the years.

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          by ArkDem14 on Sat Jul 19, 2014 at 10:55:54 PM PDT

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          •  That happens (1+ / 0-)
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            An old saying that "if you were not a liberal in your youth - you have no heart, if you didn't became conserative growing old - you have no brains" is VERY old...

            Very Independent minded. Moderate. Extremely cynical (main principle: don't easily believe anyone, but himself).

            by Ragmod on Sat Jul 19, 2014 at 11:31:37 PM PDT

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            •  Falsely attributed to Winston Churchill (5+ / 0-)
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              More likely came from Benjamin Disraeli, who basically said "if you're note a liberal by 16, you have no heart; if you're not a Conservative by 60, you have no head."

              “The universe is big. It’s vast and complicated and ridiculous. And sometimes, very rarely, impossible things just happen and we call them miracles.” -The Doctor

              by KingofSpades on Sun Jul 20, 2014 at 12:02:00 AM PDT

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              •  Yes. (0+ / 0-)

                Very Independent minded. Moderate. Extremely cynical (main principle: don't easily believe anyone, but himself).

                by Ragmod on Sun Jul 20, 2014 at 03:47:18 AM PDT

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                •  Plenty of exceptions (3+ / 0-)
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                  Justice Stevens, Gov. George Wallace, Asa Carter (a vehement racist/speechwriter who did a complete about-face during his time out of the public spotlight), DCCyclone (who was an active Republican in the late 80s), Earl Warren (who earnestly enforced Prohibition and was known as being high-handed and strict in the '20s as the Alameda County DA, but grew to be a progressive governor and even more liberal Chief Justice)

                  “The universe is big. It’s vast and complicated and ridiculous. And sometimes, very rarely, impossible things just happen and we call them miracles.” -The Doctor

                  by KingofSpades on Sun Jul 20, 2014 at 03:29:54 PM PDT

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                  •  Some more (2+ / 0-)
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                    Senator Robert Byrd of West Virginia, Jimmy Carter (way more liberal as a former president than he was as President), Justice Harry Blackman, Justice Hugo Black (former KKK member who became a stalwart liberal), Justice David Souter.

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                    by MichaelNY on Sun Jul 20, 2014 at 03:39:26 PM PDT

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                    •  Forgot about Souter (1+ / 0-)
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                      except Souter was more of a blank slate.

                      Tell me more about Hugo Black.

                      “The universe is big. It’s vast and complicated and ridiculous. And sometimes, very rarely, impossible things just happen and we call them miracles.” -The Doctor

                      by KingofSpades on Sun Jul 20, 2014 at 05:53:18 PM PDT

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                      •  Souter did start out more conservative (2+ / 0-)
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                        than he became.

                        Wikipedia has a pretty good article on Justice Black. I certainly don't agree with every decision or dissent of his, but what's really remarkable was that he, a former KKK member, was a steadfast supporter of civil rights and part of the unanimous Brown v. Board of Education decision.

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                        by MichaelNY on Sun Jul 20, 2014 at 06:01:17 PM PDT

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                      •  Hugo Black (1+ / 0-)
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                        He was in the KKK for political reasons, and because he was somewhat anti-Catholic.  

                        Black, even as an Alabama senator, wasn't really a racist personally.  He was a friend of the NAACP chairman, Walter White.  When the KKK stuff came out, White basically tanked the organization's opposition to Black, taking tremendous heat in doing so.  (White and the NAACP was instrumental in sinking the Supreme Court nomination of John Parker in 1930, a North Carolina Republican who hinted that blacks shouldn't be allowed to vote.  That was really peanuts compared to a KKK member).

                        It was no surprise to those who followed his career that Justice Black would support Brown v Board.  The three Justices who had to be convinced were Justices Reed (who was a racist), Jackson, and Frankfurter.  It was of tremendous irony that it was harder to convince Justice Frankfurter, a liberal Jewish law professor who cofounded the ACLU to strike down segregation than Justice Black, who was a former KKK member from Alabama.

                  •  myself (2+ / 0-)
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                    I was a particularly conservative Republican until 2008.

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                    by wwmiv on Sun Jul 20, 2014 at 03:42:04 PM PDT

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                    •  What prompted the change? nt (1+ / 0-)
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                      by MichaelNY on Sun Jul 20, 2014 at 03:43:30 PM PDT

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                      •  IIRC, he said Sarah Palin was a catalyst in it. (3+ / 0-)
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                        by KingofSpades on Sun Jul 20, 2014 at 05:53:39 PM PDT

                        [ Parent ]

                        •  Sarah Palin (4+ / 0-)

                          was the catalyst, yes. You always have such good memory :D

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                          by wwmiv on Sun Jul 20, 2014 at 05:56:45 PM PDT

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                          •  Mine was Obamacare (3+ / 0-)
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                            That's one reason why I've been so leery of people saying that Obamacare was going to cause an exodus of Democrats towards Republicans, or that it wouldn't end up helping the Democratic Party. People just need time.

                          •  That's fascinating, (1+ / 0-)
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                            what aspect of it helped you make the switch?

                            Just curious.

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                            by aggou on Sun Jul 20, 2014 at 07:10:51 PM PDT

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                          •  All of it, really (5+ / 0-)

                            The more I read about it, the more I came to like it. And this was back in 2009 and 2010 when I was still a deeply conservative Republican. I just couldn't square away the fact that Obamacare was just a plain good ol' idea.

                            What really got me was the preexisting conditions clause. Me being all of eighteen in 2009, I didn't know shit about how health insurance worked. I didn't know they could deny you coverage for being sick. That seemed counterintuitive to me.

                            For a while, I tried to square away being a "fiscally conservative, socially liberal Republican who loved Obamacare", but once you accept that government can have some role in regulating one industry for the betterment of America, you start looking at ways it can help other aspects of the economy. And the more the Republicans hated Obamacare, the more annoyed I became, until I found myself defending Democratic policies more than Republican ones.

                            The hard part was realizing I was a Republican. At the risk of belittling the struggles of gay people, it greatly paralleled many coming-out stories I've read. The hardest part was accepting that part of myself. After all, I'd been indoctrinated as a Republican since I was a pre-teen. (In elementary school, I'd ask kids if they were Republicans or Democrats.) After I realized it about myself, telling others wasn't that big of a deal, except at first while I was still warming up to the idea that I was a damned libruhl.

                            But yeah, it all started with Obamacare. (Or maybe when I accepted anthropogenic global warming back in 2005 after watching Gore's movie. But Obamacare got the ball rolling.)

                          •  Intersting, I think you're (3+ / 0-)
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                            one of the first people I've talked too, that were "converted" if you will, in big part because of it.

                            Idk whether that means I don't get out enough or what haha

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                            by aggou on Sun Jul 20, 2014 at 07:38:56 PM PDT

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                          •  I was a politically ambivalent high schooler (6+ / 0-)

                            I watched a lot of South Park, bought into the "both sides suck" mentality, disliked Bill Clinton and Al Gore, you get the idea.  That was up until my senior year (2004).  It was the Iraq War, and conservative demonizing of gay people, that drove me towards the Democratic Party.  The first vote I cast upon turning 18 was for John Kerry that November.  Bush cost the GOP a lot of people in my age group that year.

                    •  Me as well (2+ / 0-)
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                      I switched in 2011.

                    •  My own story (1+ / 0-)
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                      I never converted, my family was always Catholic Democrats. My earliest political memory is the 2000 election, we all watched the results coming in in my living room. It was high school Government class that awakened my civic spirit. Being gay has helped me be easily the most liberal member of the family (two of my siblings are conservative-leaning independents, my brother wanted to vote for Gary Johnson in 2012 but he wasn't on the ballot in Michigan).

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                      by HoosierD42 on Mon Jul 21, 2014 at 12:21:44 AM PDT

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                  •  I know (0+ / 0-)

                    But plenty confirmations too, And not only Ronald Reagan...

                    Very Independent minded. Moderate. Extremely cynical (main principle: don't easily believe anyone, but himself).

                    by Ragmod on Sun Jul 20, 2014 at 08:36:40 PM PDT

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                    •  All that means is that some people go to the left (1+ / 0-)
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                      as they get older, some go to the right, and some stay in the same place while the party they belong to, or used to belong to, changes.

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                      by MichaelNY on Sun Jul 20, 2014 at 08:42:44 PM PDT

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                      •  Yes (2+ / 0-)
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                        Ragmod is wrong here.

                        Results, which are just starting to emerge, suggest that each belief follows its own complicated pattern. Seniors seem to have become more liberal about subordinate groups, for example, but more conservative about civil liberties.

                        Overall, what's happening in society at large as people come of age seems to matter most in determining the starting point for their core beliefs, said Karl Pillemer, a sociologist and gerontologist at Cornell University, who conducted more than 1,000 in-depth interviews with seniors for his book, "30 Lessons for Living: Tried and True Advice from the Wisest Americans." From there, people's attitudes can evolve as they age. And flexibility often trumps rigidity.

                        http://news.discovery.com/...

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                        Idiosyncratic, pro-establishment. Liberal, not progressive. For the poor, the children, the planet, and the rule of law.
                        UC Berkeley; I think I'm in the conservative half of this city.

                        by jncca on Sun Jul 20, 2014 at 09:01:13 PM PDT

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                        •  I thought this part was key, too (3+ / 0-)
                          While there is some evidence that today's seniors may be more conservative than today's youth, that's not because older folks are more conservative than they use to be. Instead, our modern elders likely came of age at a time when the political situation favored more conservative views.

                          In fact, studies show that people may actually get more liberal over time when it comes to certain kinds of beliefs.

                          That really is the key point: Are they more conservative than they used to be? Their being more conservative than people a couple of generations younger doesn't prove that point at all.

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                          by MichaelNY on Sun Jul 20, 2014 at 09:16:51 PM PDT

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                          •  I heavily agree with this (2+ / 0-)
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                            Some of the most ardently liberal (even by today's Democratic party's standards) people are those who came of age during the years when the New Deal coalition was unassailable. That is to say, they're old.

                            In fact, that's part of our problem. Some areas that had large contingents of FDR democrats (especially the south) now have very few. They're being replaced by the folks who came of age during Nixon, Carter, and Reagan. At this rate, it'll be another couple decades before the last of them are gone. But when they are, I simply don't see anyone willing to take a conservative position on anything, fiscal or social. Oh sure, the young white vote might be somewhat conservative next to the rest of the generation, but the generation itself is so non-white that, in the end, it doesn't matter much.

                            We're going to get to see one hell of a realignment in the coming decades. Hell, I'd go so far as to say that we're seeing the beginnings of it already. If Republicans couldn't win the White House or the Senate in 2012, especially coming on the heels of their greatest victory since 1994, when will they ever? As everyone has said before, the electorate ain't getting any whiter.

                          •  Some non-white as well as white voters (0+ / 0-)

                            may be amenable to social conservatism, but not fiscal conservatism, to any real degree, and they are not going to vote for a Republican Party that, even if it disowns racism and sexism, doesn't believe in using government to help non-rich people in any really organized way.

                            Formerly Pan on Swing State Project

                            by MichaelNY on Sun Jul 20, 2014 at 10:46:52 PM PDT

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                          •  Interesting (0+ / 0-)

                            You mean young non-whites and whites might propel a resurgence in social conservatism? I'm not sure if I understand you correctly - I was referring to the current and to the next generations.

                            Just what positions would they embrace, besides anti-abortion which is admittedly worrisome? I can't see them returning to opposition of gay marriage, transgender rights, civil rights, or immigration. Gay marriage and civil rights are fights we've annihilated the opposition on; transgender rights are quickly becoming normalized as well; and hell, a lot of the new generation is just a generation or two away from being immigrants themselves, so it's hard to see much xenophobia coming from that crowd.

                          •  No, I don't mean a resurgence (1+ / 0-)
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                            What I'm saying is that there are a lot of African-Americans, for example, who are strong Christians, members of Evangelical churches. Some of them believe in social conservatism in their own lives and support that kind of behavior in others. Many of them also don't believe in imposing it, but rather in leading by example and inspiration. But I think some of them would be willing to listen to a politician who wants to mandate prayer in the public schools, require school uniforms and the like, and possibly restrict abortion. I agree that anti-gay feelings are just going to continue decreasing, but though I wasn't considering immigration, I don't find your take on it persuasive. The posture of "I'm in, now bar the door!" has a long history in the US, and I don't think that African-Americans are as supportive of large-scale immigration as Latinos are, for some understandable reasons.

                            Formerly Pan on Swing State Project

                            by MichaelNY on Sun Jul 20, 2014 at 11:57:44 PM PDT

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                          •  I'm no political scientist (1+ / 0-)
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                            but it seems right to me that the reason why, for example, it's no longer politically correct to be openly racist in most places is because even today's conservatives were yesterday's liberals. (and yesterday's conservatives, who were openly racist, are mostly gone)

                            in the same vein, it's really no question to me that discrimination against gay people, for instance, will be much less acceptable in 50 years than it is now. I also feel the way about some other issues, such as women's rights (IMO the youth of today are much more aware about issues such as the problematic nature of slut-shaming culture than their elders were) and possibly racism.

                            Living in Kyoto-06 (Japan), voting in RI-01, went to college in IL-01.

                            by sapelcovits on Sun Jul 20, 2014 at 10:44:26 PM PDT

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                        •  I never made ANY statements (0+ / 0-)

                          on this matter myself, just quoted an old saying..

                          Very Independent minded. Moderate. Extremely cynical (main principle: don't easily believe anyone, but himself).

                          by Ragmod on Mon Jul 21, 2014 at 05:19:11 AM PDT

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                      •  Yes. It immediately reminds me (1+ / 0-)
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                        the usual phrase of Southern Democrats: "I haven't left the party, the party left me". And a LOT of examples of Southern New Dealers (at least - moderate New Dealers, even Thurmond or Colmer initially were in this camp) of the 1930th, who became very conservative by 1950-60..

                        Very Independent minded. Moderate. Extremely cynical (main principle: don't easily believe anyone, but himself).

                        by Ragmod on Mon Jul 21, 2014 at 05:18:07 AM PDT

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            •  And it's actually false (6+ / 0-)

              most people tend to retain the beliefs they get in their youth their entire life. It's also kind of asinine and insulting.

              "Once, many, many years ago I thought I was wrong. Of course it turned out I had been right all along. But I was wrong to have thought I was wrong." -John Foster Dulles. My Political Compass Score: -4.00, -3.69, Proud member of DKE

              by ArkDem14 on Sun Jul 20, 2014 at 07:40:55 AM PDT

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              •  well it's usually not a person's views changing (2+ / 0-)
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                but how those views are perceived in the long run. Many social issues that were once considered liberal are now so widely excepted they aren't part our politics today.

                "There are three basic types: the Wills, the Won'ts, and the Can'ts. The Wills accomplish everything, the Won'ts oppose everything, and the Can'ts won't try anything"

                by lordpet8 on Sun Jul 20, 2014 at 05:43:25 PM PDT

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    •  Back when the Dems were still dominant (5+ / 0-)

      I wish Boren didn't resign in 1994. He'd have been the favorite to win another term.

      In regards to Alabama I had no idea Heflin disliked Sessions so much. The only story I could find was about his vote against Sessions for a judgeship

      It was [28] years ago that a Judiciary Committee controlled by Republicans rejected then-U.S. Attorney Jeff Sessions' nomination by Ronald Reagan for an appointment as a federal judge. During confirmation hearings, Sessions sought to rebut accusations from former colleagues that as a federal prosecutor, he was racially insensitive.

      At the time, Sessions said he was not a racist and was a civil rights supporter.

      But in the end, even Alabama Democrat Howell Heflin, who originally sponsored Sessions' nomination, voted against him. The committee vote was 10-8 against Sessions. Two Republicans and every Democrat opposed his nomination, including ranking Democrat Joe Biden.

      http://www.npr.org/...

      "There are three basic types: the Wills, the Won'ts, and the Can'ts. The Wills accomplish everything, the Won'ts oppose everything, and the Can'ts won't try anything"

      by lordpet8 on Sun Jul 20, 2014 at 05:27:02 PM PDT

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      •  Yes, I remember the hearings (3+ / 0-)
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        Howell Heflin became convinced that Sessions wanted to move the country back to the days before the 1960s Civil Rights legislation, and he was not willing to subject the state of Alabama to having that fight again.

        Formerly Pan on Swing State Project

        by MichaelNY on Sun Jul 20, 2014 at 05:44:17 PM PDT

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        •  He really wasn't all that conservative (3+ / 0-)
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          I was initially surprised to see he voted against both Bork and Clarence Thomas.

          "There are three basic types: the Wills, the Won'ts, and the Can'ts. The Wills accomplish everything, the Won'ts oppose everything, and the Can'ts won't try anything"

          by lordpet8 on Sun Jul 20, 2014 at 06:06:14 PM PDT

          [ Parent ]

          •  For the same reason, I believe (7+ / 0-)

            Which is that Howell Heflin supported civil rights. There could have also been some concern about the way an advocate of the imperial executive like Bork would have been likely to damage the reserved powers of Congress. When I wrote letters to most of the Senate, that was one of my strongest arguments against Bork - that it was in the institutional interest of Congress to keep someone with such a lack of respect for Congressional power out of the Court. They should have had the same attitude about Thomas, but more so, as he was not very qualified when nominated and I do certainly believe that Anita Hill told the truth.

            Formerly Pan on Swing State Project

            by MichaelNY on Sun Jul 20, 2014 at 06:12:51 PM PDT

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  •  Inhofe (1+ / 0-)
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    He raised $433K last reporting period, and he has $1.59 million on hand.

    LINK

    My apologies if this has already been posted.

  •  HoosierD42's Weekend Court Report™ (15+ / 0-)

    Confirmations

    • Ronnie L. White to the Eastern District of Missouri. Cloture was 54-43 (Collins and Murkowski voting Aye) and confirmation was 53-44 (Collins voting Aye). The E.D. Mo. is now 6-3 Democratic-appointed active judges (9-4 including senior judge, though excluding two senior judges listed as inactive). White is an interesting case, he was originally nominated to this very court in 1999 by Bill Clinton, but it failed by a 54-45 party line vote. It, among other things, contributed to the loss of John Ashcroft in 2000. White was a Justice of the Supreme Court of Missouri from '95-'07, and Chief Justice from '03-'05. From 2007 until his confirmation, he was a private lawyer. White is African-American. He replaces Jean Constance Hamilton, a G.H.W. Bush appointee who assumed senior status in July 2013.

    Movement on nominations

    • The Senate voted on cloture of Julia Carnes, a nominee to the 11th Circuit Court of Appeals. The vote was 68-23 (Ayotte, Chambliss, Coats, Cochran, Collins, Flake, Graham, Hatch, Inhofe, Isakson, Johanns, McCain, Murkowski, Portman, Sessions, Shelby and Wicker voting Aye). She will be confirmed on Monday, whereupon she will vacate her seat on the Northern District of Georgia.
    • Harry Reid moved to invoke cloture on 3 nominees: Andre Birotte, Jr. to the Central District of California, Robin Rosenberg to the Southern District of Florida and John W. deGravelles to the Middle District of Louisiana. Cloture will be invoked on Tuesday and they will be confirmed shortly after.
    • The Senate Judiciary Committee voted on 3 nominees this week: Pamela Harris to the 4th Circuit, Pamela Pepper to the Eastern District of Wisconsin and Brenda K. Sannes to the Northern District of New York. Harris was voted out on a 10-7 party line vote, and Pepper and Sannes by a unanimous voice vote.

    Vacancies

    • No new vacancies this week.

    Nominations

    • No new nominations this week.

    Promises of another busy week or two before the August recess!

    26, Practical Progressive Democratic Socialist (-9.38, -8.51), Gay, IN-02 - Defeat Wacky Jackie!

    by HoosierD42 on Sat Jul 19, 2014 at 06:41:39 PM PDT

  •  TN-Senate Primary (2+ / 0-)
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    Flinn has just dumped a big loan into his campaign.  And it might be too late for Alexander to define him.  Flinn is not late to the party in bashing Alexander however.  Flinn's money could pull Alexander down to the point that Carr could win.  It is possible, we will have to see how Flinn spends his money.  It is definitely worth watching.

    •  On the ground here in TN visiting family (3+ / 0-)

      and can report there is a tremendous amount of anti-Alexander antipathy from both teabaggy and leftish populist sides.  However there is also no perceptible love for any of his opponents outside of hardcore partisans.  Had he one popular or strong opponent he could have been defeated in this primary I'd wager, but it is difficult to imagine such a powerful incumbent falling with an unfocused effort.  I guess we will know soon enough.

  •  hypothetical redistricting (0+ / 0-)

    I'm not sure how to make the fancy chart that Stephen has made before so I'll just post the html link. I've become convinced that the splitline method I've used before is not always the best method so I decided to troubleshoot and try to see what looked to be the most optimal map. FWIW, my numbering system is based on the traditional locations of the districts.

    Outstate
    Two Party-Vote
    1st District (Blue) 55-45 McCain
    2nd District (Green) 52-5-47.5 McCain
    3rd District (Dark Magenta) 59.6-40.4 McCain
    6th District (Teal) 51.8-48.2 McCain
    7th District (Dark Gray) 73.5-26.5 McCain
    8th District (Slate Blue) 59.4-40.6 McCain
    9th District (Cyan) 77.5-22.5 McCain
    10th District (Deep Pink) 50.1-49.9 Obama
    12th District (Cornflower Blue) 60.7-39.3 McCain

    Metro ATL
    4th District (Red) 57.6-42.4 McCain
    5th District (Gold) 76.5-23.5 Obama
    11th District (Chartreuse) 52.3-47.7 Obama
    13th District (Dark Salmon) 78-22 Obama
    14th District (Olive) 57.1-42.9 McCain

    Here's my view
    - Bishop is pretty moderate for a black democrat and the rural south is less partisan. Lean D most years, Tossup in bad years. He may have lost here in 2010, however. (Austin) Scott lives in the 2nd but I doubt he runs in it.

    - Its possible that Lewis would retire and gift wrap the 5th  for Hank Johnson

    - the sixth (Newt's 80s district) is open and hopefully a bombthrower R wins the nomination

    - Barrow in the 10th was already well established and with Athens, he should be fine

    - I also see Woodall running in the 12th and the 11th by default being open

    - fourteenth could be won by Barr who is looking to return after a dozen years

    idiosyncratic, slightly anarchist, darwinist, moral relativist, fan of satire

    by bonzo925 on Sun Jul 20, 2014 at 12:09:57 AM PDT

  •  NY-18 Poll Hayworth up (0+ / 0-)

    NY-18
    Gravis Marketing

    Hayworth (R) 44%
    Maloney (D) 40%

    http://gravismarketing.com/...

    •  Please leave (3+ / 0-)
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      I, for one, no longer believe you are welcome here after the stuff you pulled with the RRH community. I've gone back and read much of what both you and your associates have said at HHR both before and after the fact and you are simply someone who is not to be trusted. Not only had you badmouthed the Republicans at RRH, but you badmouthed the small cohort of Democrats that post at RRH (myself included, occasionally) and who also post here at DKE. In short, you and your people from HHR launched a direct attack on the people of the DKE community.

      You cannot simply disrupt DKE's sister community in a way that denigrates DKE itself and expect to continue posting here without major backlash. The fact that you openly posted the Facebook profile link of RRH user Son_of_the_South to a completely separate online community (HHR) and made fun of this user would be against the rules and a ban-able offense if you did so here at DKE. It probably isn't enough to get you banned here as yet because it didn't happen here, but this community should not tolerate such behavior of either Democrats or Republicans.

      Please leave and good riddance.

      24 Burkean Post Modern Gay Democrat; NM-2 (Raised), TX-20 (B.A. & M.A. in Political Science), TX-17 (Home); 08/12 PVIs

      by wwmiv on Sun Jul 20, 2014 at 03:29:24 PM PDT

      [ Parent ]

      •  You haven't posted a link here (4+ / 0-)

        A link to the HHR site itself doesn't prove anything. But the important thing is to contact Dave or other admins about this, if you haven't already

        Formerly Pan on Swing State Project

        by MichaelNY on Sun Jul 20, 2014 at 03:42:02 PM PDT

        [ Parent ]

        •  Sorry (4+ / 0-)

          Good point. You can go through any thread at HHR and search for keywords "RRH" "DKE" and "kos", but linked below are particularly relevant comments.

          I haven't yet found exactly where he posted Son_of_the_South's facebook, but have been told that it did happen by a regular RRH/DKE crossposter and take this on good authority given this user's recent activities. It may have been deleted.

          Here he (user "Michael") posts about orchestrating the "raid":

          http://davidwissing.com/...
          http://davidwissing.com/...
          http://davidwissing.com/...
          http://davidwissing.com/...
          http://davidwissing.com/...
          Here's another user at HHR commenting about how Dems are a protected class at RRH:
          http://davidwissing.com/...
          Here are a bunch of comments during and after the fact from various users that took place in the "raid":
          http://davidwissing.com/...
          http://davidwissing.com/...
          http://davidwissing.com/...
          http://davidwissing.com/...
          http://davidwissing.com/...
          http://davidwissing.com/...
          Here are some particularly asinine posts from this cohort of people:
          http://davidwissing.com/...

          Notice that Dem posts on Kos. Kos also has an equally good electoral info site called Daily Kos Elections. However they treats Rs much different there and don’t protect them. RRH for whatever reason wants to protect Dems posting there no matter how asanine or fantastical their comments are. Census would go unquestioned there.

          Comment by AuthorLMendez — July 16, 2014 @ 9:02 am

          This thread here on RRH is all that is left of the "raid," after the moderators apparently deleted most of the disparaging comments (as is their prerogative, given that it is their site).

          Here are the two links to the mentions by their mods of the permabans:

          http://www.redracinghorses.com/...
          http://www.redracinghorses.com/...
          And then here are the two comments over at HHR about the permabans that I think are relevant. The first is from the person who led the raid and the second is PSUCentralPA referencing the email that a mod sent him about his being banned in response to the first:
          http://davidwissing.com/...

          Proud of you Michael. I know you had it in you.

          Details?

          Comment by MD — July 17, 2014 @ 5:06 pmComment by MD — July 17, 2014 @ 5:06 pm

          http://davidwissing.com/...

          This was their email MD.

          **

          Michael,

          We were incredibly disappointed to find out that you catalyzed Tuesday’s Hedgehog Report invasion and encouraged their users to create chaos on a blog that you have claimed so many times to love. Why you would deliberately try to ruin a civil comments section that our team and the hundreds of people who come here to discuss politics in good faith is beyond comprehension.

          Naturally, you and the others who participated are banned permanently and we will be closely watching all new accounts for sockpuppet activity. Don’t try it.

          Team RRH

          ***

          I liked the site, but they just supported Democrats way too much for me. I am jot partisan but when they cater to the Democrats equally it just doesn’t jive with me.

          Comment by Michael — July 17, 2014 @ 5:08 pm

          [I added the bold because it's particularly important: if you can't stand Democrats, then GTFO of DKE]

          And just for thrills, here's a comment from one of their co-conspirators that I think elucidates the whole fiasco:

          http://davidwissing.com/...

          -Michael, most certainly yes. I just don’t have the time or energy to stay on for hours on end like I used to. Plus, Mrs. GF is not doing well herself and needs constant monitoring when I am at home (limiting blog aside from quick readings where I catch up). I’d join you as a cypher at RRH, but until I have more time to commit to that endeavour, that operation will be shelved. I promise that when it is executed, I will be a force to be reckoned with over there (and Adyroo/Rocky Rep [wwmiv: this is an RRH user, for those who don't know] will know my name when my vengeance is thrust upon him; may he and the resident Dems feel the sting of the lash across their pitiful shoulders).

          -MD, thank you.

          Comment by Gee Eff — July 16, 2014 @ 4:48 pm

          In short, PSUCentralPA is a disgusting human being that should not be trusted at DKE.

          24 Burkean Post Modern Gay Democrat; NM-2 (Raised), TX-20 (B.A. & M.A. in Political Science), TX-17 (Home); 08/12 PVIs

          by wwmiv on Sun Jul 20, 2014 at 04:10:05 PM PDT

          [ Parent ]

          •  Well that's deeply disappointing (8+ / 0-)

            PSU, I defended you on more than one occasion. Was this  "raid" worth losing the respect of the DKE regulars?

            sigh. Get a bunch of boys together and they will find some way to make war on each other.

            •  Sad (3+ / 0-)
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              He used to have my respect and defense as well.  

              24 Burkean Post Modern Gay Democrat; NM-2 (Raised), TX-20 (B.A. & M.A. in Political Science), TX-17 (Home); 08/12 PVIs

              by wwmiv on Sun Jul 20, 2014 at 04:50:43 PM PDT

              [ Parent ]

            •  Partially (0+ / 0-)

              Anyways in the beginning I was not part of this "raid."  I was getting tired of the some of the Moderators and two posters attitudes towards me there.  The people at the other blog were after the entire blog.  Pretty soon I developed a disdain for the unfairness I saw at the blog, in the commenting on RRH you will notice most of my comments got partisan but not to the levels of my colleagues.  Because I was being CIVIL.  Over at the other blog I was cheering my friends on because I felt that RRH needed a change for the better.  I however wanted to stay and decided not to post anything that would get me banned over there.  

              Then I and 4 others that were per banned.  That's what happened.  Then I was pissed off, I has the mods delete my diaries and truly disliked Son_of_the_South's "analysis" of what happened.  I also just didn't like his attitude and I found Most people I talked to before being banned from there to be rude to me off site.

              Also that Gee eff guy dislikes Andyroo because he believes andyroo actually came over to the other blog and spotted racists remarks there.  So he has beef with him.  I am sorry if I caused any of you any discomfort and I already emailed Dave Nir about deletion of an account.  Je suis sesolé Le Champignon! But I am waiting for his response, but from what I see it, it would either require him to delete the account or for you guys to HR me like 300 times.  And I doubt the HR spout would be short because I have trusted user status.  If he doesn't answer soon I just plan to post polls and keep dialogue limited here.  

              Also wwmiv you have had 0 respect for me on here.  0.  When you say that my comments are "racist" when they are not and when you create arguments with me for no reason it truly says you have had 0 respect for me or my commenting and is why you are leading this charge for me to leave now.  

              •  "Spotted" should be "said" (0+ / 0-)

                Desolé not sesolé

              •  I have defended you multiple times, tyvm (3+ / 0-)
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                I have also pointed out that several of your comments had racist undertones.

                You can do both while also respecting, generally, a user - respect that stemmed from your frequent comments with new poll numbers.

                24 Burkean Post Modern Gay Democrat; NM-2 (Raised), TX-20 (B.A. & M.A. in Political Science), TX-17 (Home); 08/12 PVIs

                by wwmiv on Sun Jul 20, 2014 at 05:17:54 PM PDT

                [ Parent ]

                •  I have never seen this defenses (0+ / 0-)

                  Only accusations and other users have seen it and contacted me about them as well.  But I never complained until now about how you have thrown accusations at me for some of my comments being racist.  

                  •  ... (3+ / 0-)
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                    I'm pretty sure I can gather exactly which users would have contacted you, (if any did at all), as there's clearly an oppositional dynamic between myself and a couple others here.

                    And to that I will say: if they want to align themselves with you, that is their choice and is yet another thing that speaks negatively about them.

                    24 Burkean Post Modern Gay Democrat; NM-2 (Raised), TX-20 (B.A. & M.A. in Political Science), TX-17 (Home); 08/12 PVIs

                    by wwmiv on Sun Jul 20, 2014 at 05:32:41 PM PDT

                    [ Parent ]

                    •  Now see here (0+ / 0-)

                      I have done nothing to stop the progression of this blog.  You have and you have made comments that truly are not representative of my actions on this blog.  You really are just showing us why you really have had no respect for me and why you lied when you said that you did.

                      •  PSU, I have been cordial with you (12+ / 0-)

                        and have certainly defended you before, but it looks like he's got you dead to rights on this, and keeping on talking at this point would seem to me to only hurt you. So best to drop it.

                        Formerly Pan on Swing State Project

                        by MichaelNY on Sun Jul 20, 2014 at 05:46:11 PM PDT

                        [ Parent ]

                      •  Your actions? (4+ / 0-)
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                        Your actions got you banned from what many here consider our sister community.

                        My comments here today were aimed at warning other users here that you, given your comments both at RRH and this other website HHR (especially the comment where you describe DKE users - and make no mistake about it, these RRH Dems are regular DKE users - in a very negative way), have not been interacting with us on the up and up and that there's now this worry that you and your companions from HHR might stage a similar raid on this community.

                        As is made clear by Team RRH's email to you that you publicized, you "loved" RRH prior to this raid. You may not have yet stopped the progression of this blog, but it is very clear that past pronouncements from you are a poor indicator of future behavior.

                        Furthermore, I'd like to point out a certain irony:

                        You and your HHR goons staged this raid because you didn't like the fact that Democrats are allowed to participate at RRH on an equal footing with Republicans. Your colleague in this wanted to make "the resident Dems [of RRH] feel the sting of the lash across their pitiful shoulders." We here at DKE generally treat most of our Republican members well and defend them stridently, such as IllinoyedR and KyleinWA (among others), but occasionally there comes a time - such as now - when a Republican member has done something so monumentally stupid that it really should get them removed from the community. And the only way to do that is to, I suppose, make that resident Republican feel the string of the lash across their pitiful shoulders. So, you're really complaining, in essence, about being treated the way that you treated our cross-posting members and the RRH community generally.

                        24 Burkean Post Modern Gay Democrat; NM-2 (Raised), TX-20 (B.A. & M.A. in Political Science), TX-17 (Home); 08/12 PVIs

                        by wwmiv on Sun Jul 20, 2014 at 05:56:00 PM PDT

                        [ Parent ]

                        •  On the contrary (0+ / 0-)

                          I treated and defended Democrats on the RRH community.  I however did feel some of our Dempcratic posters were allowed too much leeway when punishments were delt out and when supporting candidates occurred.  Notice, one of the posters openly supported all the main Democratic senate candidates.  And for the record I emailed the there mods about this dozens of times.

                          Now please just stop and let judgement be dealt in its own way.

                          •  their* (0+ / 0-)

                            24 Burkean Post Modern Gay Democrat; NM-2 (Raised), TX-20 (B.A. & M.A. in Political Science), TX-17 (Home); 08/12 PVIs

                            by wwmiv on Sun Jul 20, 2014 at 06:10:18 PM PDT

                            [ Parent ]

                          •  I hate all this happened to you. (9+ / 0-)

                            You've generally been good and had friendly comments. I hate you felt this was the best course of action, but what's done is done.

                            Just gotta learn from this and move on, once what's decided is done. Hopefully if you stay, you can learn over time that these people are very nice, and have great ideas, although I don't always agree with them, they are ideas on ways they feel our country as a whole will be better in the long run. I used to feel like some of the others do on the HHR, didn't know any Democrats, and just based my opinions off what I heard on talk radio, which I still listen too, but I just have a different take on things when they discuss them.

                            After having transitioned to DK, I learned to talk to Dems and read the posts, and I found some to be quite rude, but that's to be expected on the front page, and others were actually quite nice! Not what I expected at all. Then I found SSP, and have been around since then and have come to know, and enjoy talking to everyone on this site, and still read it almost every day, even if I don't post as much as I used too. I've come to call a lot of these people friends, (which I used to never imagine I would). I hope you can do the same!

                            Disagreement is healthy, but don't let it get personal, and you can actually look beyond those disagreements to see the people, and know them beyond the party affiliation next to their name.

                            22, Male, NC-02 home, SC-04 School. Majoring in Piano Pedagogy. Not your typical DKE junkie!

                            by aggou on Sun Jul 20, 2014 at 06:46:29 PM PDT

                            [ Parent ]

                          •  Some of the folks in the front-page diaries (8+ / 0-)

                            are rude to me and other DKE folks, and to each other, too. And there's even a member of management (not DKE management, and not one of the highest-up folks) who I won't name who seems to consider puerile insults an "argument."

                            I think that because DKE is a smaller community and one that's been well-led by the moderators and other people with institutional memory of what SSP was like, we are much more nearly free of invective than some larger online communities like those who frequent the recommended diaries on the front page. Many of those folks are great, but I was remembering tonight how I posted in one response thread about how proud I was to have my mother's "Uppity Women Unite!" button, and some dufus who has no idea what my late mother's name is said "Too bad you learned so little from her" or something else to that effect. That kind of bullshit, which is on the "Your mama!" level or worse, would never be tolerated on DKE, but it got nary an HR in that thread, and I did not dignify it with a reply.

                            I think that some of the other communities like Black Kos and the Native American diaries are also very interesting and have much to teach the interested reader, but diaries on the front page and their response threads are definitely highly variable in tone and quality, and attempts at discussion with certain people are really not worth the time, effort and annoyance.

                            Formerly Pan on Swing State Project

                            by MichaelNY on Sun Jul 20, 2014 at 07:33:01 PM PDT

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              •  Okay so (11+ / 0-)

                There is no universe where this kind of behavior is acceptable. I'd like several changes to happen in DKE, myself, and I feel strongly that some users have personal beefs with other users that negatively impact the flow of discussion. I, however, would never purposefully start a meta war in an attempt to get users banned, no matter how much I disliked them. (Not that I'd presume to do so anyway, considering I've only been here for six months and some folks have been here for a decade.)

                Your words simply tell a different story than the one you're telling now. You didn't like Democrats at RRH. You didn't like catering to Democrats. Well guess what, we here at DKE go out of our way to defend the few Republicans who frequent the site. Hell, it wasn't a week ago that someone tried to call out Kyle in WA just for being a Republican, and no one who was reading that thread let it slide.

                Since war analogies seem to be what you understand, let me put it this way. Your raid broke a truce, an agreement, between two belligerents. That agreement was designed to instill peace between the factions such that each side could focus on their affairs without interruption. The occasional bouts of immigration and emigration were to be encouraged out of a desire for cross-pollination of ideas, while the two-state solution was intended to carve out territory for each side to conduct its affairs autonomously. The terms of the treaty were that there would be no outright discrimination of minority factions in each other's territory, save that the minority faction could not directly advocate victory of their faction over the majority faction.

                You broke the discrimination clause of the treaty, whether yourself or by inciting others to the same action. The state has every right to deport you, by force if necessary, although that's the Supreme Commander's (David's) decision. As for whether we have the power to do so, in fact we do, and it would not be particularly difficult given the frequency with which you comment. It would not take anywhere near 300 HRs - longtime users are banned seemingly at least once a month, sometimes more frequently if there's a particularly nasty meta war. It will happen if David gives the go-ahead. Not that it should come to that. You should respect whatever judgment David hands down.

                By the way, wwmiv calls out loads of people for racist undertones. It doesn't mean he has any specific beef with you.

              •  I just don't get (5+ / 0-)

                why you would willingly align yourself with such deranged people.  But then I see posts that you yourself made.  Talking about "long term plans for RRH".  Long term plans?  What in the world is wrong with you?  

                Then you have another poster talking about registering new accounts every single day?  

                There was one thread where there were like 200 plus RRH/DKE related comments.  I mean, this is not normal behavior.  

                I'm not sure what favorable treatment you think Grady, jncca, OGG, myself etc got but we have all been banned at times for being a little overboard in our Democratic ways.  I didn't agree with all of the bannings but overall the mods there are very even handed and fair.  Sure they do some things I don't like (Why rdelbov is still a member of the community boggles my mind) but overall they are great guys who run a great site.  And by no means do the democratic posters run roughshod over the Republicans and also by no means are most Republican posters "Eyores".

                Regardless of wether or not you continue to post here, for your own sake I hope you leave HHR.  It is clearly a poisonous environment and there are plenty of good Conservative communities in the right wing blogosphere.

                33/D/M/NY-01/SSP&RRH: Tekzilla

                by Socks The Cat on Sun Jul 20, 2014 at 08:25:23 PM PDT

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          •  The last guy seems like a psychopath (3+ / 0-)
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            Probably needs to go outside more often.

          •  Geez, raids? (22+ / 0-)

            Some people take the internet far too seriously than they should.

            “The universe is big. It’s vast and complicated and ridiculous. And sometimes, very rarely, impossible things just happen and we call them miracles.” -The Doctor

            by KingofSpades on Sun Jul 20, 2014 at 06:27:15 PM PDT

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          •  Not to pile on (1+ / 0-)
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            But here's the post where PSUCentralPA posts the Facebook link to Son_of_the_South's Facebook. For SOTS's privacy, I have taken a screenshot of the post and blacked out the specific url rather than posting the link to the specific comment:

            24 Burkean Post Modern Gay Democrat; NM-2 (Raised), TX-20 (B.A. & M.A. in Political Science), TX-17 (Home); 08/12 PVIs

            by wwmiv on Sun Jul 20, 2014 at 09:56:44 PM PDT

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            •  There's also this one (1+ / 0-)
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              http://davidwissing.com/...

              78. DW, thank you for the updates, I like them a lot.

              Author, you should see the post where EML blew up on a democrat. It was fantastic. The mods banned him for a week, I thought EML was just expressing his feelings. Hilarious, the moderators are totally d!cks.

              I only post on their to, one annoy the mods, two talk with the few people who actually enjoy reading the posts that annoy the mods and RRR.

              Comment by Michael — March 31, 2014 @ 11:13 am

              Do you do the same thing here at DKE?

              24 Burkean Post Modern Gay Democrat; NM-2 (Raised), TX-20 (B.A. & M.A. in Political Science), TX-17 (Home); 08/12 PVIs

              by wwmiv on Sun Jul 20, 2014 at 10:17:00 PM PDT

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      •  Forgive me, but what's a "raid"? (1+ / 0-)
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        I read all this and I'm still a wee bit confused what happened over at RRH.

    •  Gravis has a heavy Republican lean (2+ / 0-)
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      itskevin, ChadmanFL

      so that's an excellent result for Maloney.

      Formerly Pan on Swing State Project

      by MichaelNY on Sun Jul 20, 2014 at 03:29:41 PM PDT

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  •  Well... (14+ / 0-)

    That whole argument took up 30 minutes of my Sunday night lol!

    18 year old gay Democrat living bright blue in deep red SC-04 (Gowdy). "You may say I'm a dreamer, but I'm not the only one." - John Lennon

    by SCDem4 on Sun Jul 20, 2014 at 07:26:30 PM PDT

  •  PSU (0+ / 0-)

    just go away!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

  •  AR-SEN update (17+ / 0-)

    David Pryor and Barbara Pryor have now spent the last half month campaigning for Mark. They are spending 10 hours a day working on the campaign. Most recently, he's been helping train volunteers on how to make the proper pitch to voters in Northwest Arkansas.

    I have no doubt that this seat would be Safe D if David were still on the ballot.

  •  HI-Sen (6+ / 0-)

    Schatz got the Star-Advertiser endorsement (paywalled).  They're the only daily newspaper left in Hawaii, following a merger some years ago of the Star-Bulletin and the Advertiser.

    We're three weeks out now.  I'm predicting Schatz by 8, Abercrombie by 10, Tsutsui by 12 for LG, and Kim by 3 in HI-01 (but I'd love to be wrong).

    •  I'm trying to remember (0+ / 0-)

      what was polling like in HI-02 in 2012 again? I remember everyone expecting Hannemann to cruise after some early polls to that effect, only for Tulsi to stomp him on election night.

      Living in Kyoto-06 (Japan), voting in RI-01, went to college in IL-01.

      by sapelcovits on Sun Jul 20, 2014 at 10:50:11 PM PDT

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      •  ok, I should've used my Google-fu (1+ / 0-)
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        a poll had Hannemann leading by double digits right around this time: http://www.hawaiinewsnow.com/...

        and Tulsi won by 20.

        maybe I'm jinxing it but the most liberal major candidate (either in the D primary or the general) seems to underpoll? hopefully that bodes well for Takai.

        Living in Kyoto-06 (Japan), voting in RI-01, went to college in IL-01.

        by sapelcovits on Sun Jul 20, 2014 at 10:57:12 PM PDT

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        •  Hard to say (2+ / 0-)
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          MichaelNY, GoUBears

          This primary hasn't heated up enough to the point to break out on ideological lines.  Too many candidates running, too overshadowed by other primaries.  I feel pretty confident in predicting the most determining factor will be geography...who can grab a large enough percentage in their home base to overwhelm the others' home bases.

          I've seen no correlation in the bad polling within Dem primaries.  Only that Democrats tend to outrun their polling numbers (sometimes by massive margins) against Republicans.

          I have no doubt that Gabbard was already up three weeks before the 2012 primary, but in the pollster's defense, Gabbard's campaign was a late breaker.

          •  Gabbard (1+ / 0-)
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            MichaelNY

            Hanabusa also outdid her polls in the HI-01 special IIRC, whereas Ed Case didn't. so I had thought maybe the more liberal candidate (or the female candidate?) outperformed, but I guess I shouldn't overextrapolate from two data points.

            Living in Kyoto-06 (Japan), voting in RI-01, went to college in IL-01.

            by sapelcovits on Sun Jul 20, 2014 at 11:37:39 PM PDT

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  •  I was at Pitchfork Music Festival all weekend. (2+ / 0-)
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    Did I miss anything?

  •  NC State Senate Update (3+ / 0-)

    SD-15: Rep. Jim Fulghum, M.D., the Republican nominee to replace retiring Sen. Neal Hunt (R-Wake) withdrew from his campaign last week due to health issues and unfortunately died yesterday.  He was diagnosed with cancer just three weeks before his death.  Republicans have named a Raleigh businessman to replace Fulghum on the ballot, and he will face former Raleigh Mayor Tom Bradshaw (D).  Bradshaw seems to be the frontrunner now due to these unfortunate circumstances, despite running a pretty lazy campaign so far.

    SD-01: I've been in Hampton Roads over the summer, and the top political ads I've seen on local TV are ones hammering Sen. Bill Cook (R-Dare) over fracking.  Outside groups are pouring a lot of money into this race, which is good, because it is very winnable for Democrats.

    •  Thanks, we could use more NC updates. (2+ / 0-)
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      MichaelNY, JacobNC

      How is the stalemate between Tillis/McCrory and Berger?

      “The universe is big. It’s vast and complicated and ridiculous. And sometimes, very rarely, impossible things just happen and we call them miracles.” -The Doctor

      by KingofSpades on Sun Jul 20, 2014 at 11:09:22 PM PDT

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      •  Very stale (2+ / 0-)
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        KingofSpades, MichaelNY

        The Senate is desperate to cut Medicaid, and I don't think they will give in unless they get that.

        McCrory has threatened to veto any budget that resembles the current Senate proposal because he says it would force layoffs of thousands of teacher assistants and cuts to Medicaid benefits. He’s compared Senate leaders with Democrats, even U.S. Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid. GOP senators, meanwhile, have threatened to override McCrory’s veto of an earlier bill. One threatened to subpoena McCrory’s budget director if he failed to appear before a committee, and at one point, Berger accused McCrory of “staging media stunts and budget gimmicks.”

        To some extent the feud reflects the institutional tension between branches of government, no matter the party in control. But it’s also a clash of philosophy and power.

        “This increasingly looks like a political death match – with one survivor in the end,” Democratic blogger Gary Pearce wrote last week. “I’m betting on Phil Berger.”

        Read more here: http://www.charlotteobserver.com/...

        Believe it or not there is a faction of Republicans in the legislature that supported bills that were well to the right of the reforms that were actually passed.  Things like the state religion bill, radical gun rights legislation and Kansas-style tax reform.  They feel like Tillis killed their ideas and marginalized them in the interest of appearing slightly reasonable, and now they're trying to get revenge.

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