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Ater reading kos' diary and thinking back and forth about what he said and the readers posted in the comments, I have to say that I don't accept any excuse anymore to not organize a Netroot Nation conference (or an alternative conference like Yearly Kos) in Washington DC at the Washington Mall.

Follow me below for why I suggest it:

As long as the conference is held directly on the lawn of the Washington Mall, this conference will have NO problems to accomodate as many visitors, as many "activist tents", as many speakers, as many outdoor parties as you would like to have.

The media coverage would be HUGE. Candidates would LOVE to speak. And listeners would LOVE to give the speakers HELL in form of questions and answers, and boohs and hurrays. That alone makes it an alternative endeavour.

Washington DC doesn't have to be expensive. You don't have to have a centrally located hotel, there are plenty of less expensive solutions and instead of squeezing hundreds of panels into two or three days, you can spread them out and organize one fun event in the evenings after the other. You could have a lot of music, may be even a daily evening "Blues Festival".

Washington DC has ALL the people, ALL the issues, and it has the PEOPLE's MALL.  So, why don't you use it?  It should be even cheaper than renting a conference center.

Markos, stop avoiding Washington DC. Your hesitation is understandable, but not necessarily justified. K-Street is quite something else than the Washington DC Mall. If you want to meet the people, you go to the Mall and not to DC, not to the WH, not to the Hill and not to K-Street (you just step them on the toes a bit).

3000 people at the Mall feel really like a very small group. Do you remember Glen Beck "Restore Honor" rally (sorry to remind you of that one) and John Stewarts "Rally to Restore Sanity" together with Colbert's "March to Keep Fear Alive" ?

Now think about what all the kossacks would like to "restore" and then you have the rally of all rallies. It could be an unforgettable event. May be one that needs to take place.

Think about it. I said my thing.

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I would refuse to come to the Washington Mall in DC for NN 2016

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  •  Tip Jar (11+ / 0-)

    We know a hell of a lot, but we understand very little. Manfred Max-Neef

    by mimi on Sat Jul 19, 2014 at 04:14:34 PM PDT

  •  I'd love to go to DC Natl. Mall... (4+ / 0-)
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    llbear, Mopshell, northerntier, rebel ga

    ...but I don't think I can.  Too expensive, probably.  So maybe you can add another poll option: "Love to, but can't."

    Also, mimi, my PC is acting unruly, so I can't get back to you yet.  Will try again soon.  Bestest of Best Wishes. dsyd

    "Our duty is to the Constitution, not to the criminals in Washington." Paul Craig Roberts

    by dharmasyd on Sat Jul 19, 2014 at 04:24:58 PM PDT

  •  2016 is two years away. (6+ / 0-)

    I'll probably be back on the Left coast by then. How about next year. The Acela station is only thirty miles from Chez aoeu.

  •  This sounds really great, mimi... (1+ / 0-)
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    Mopshell

    ...really grass roots and accommodatng.  I only say it is too expensive for me because I am dependent on indoor facilities.  I use an electrically powered nebulizer / abuterol breathing treatment 4 Xs /d.  So it's both for medical reasons, and the expense of my medical reasons that I say I can't go.

    But I do hope NN will pick up on this idea.  I support it wholeheartedly.

    "Our duty is to the Constitution, not to the criminals in Washington." Paul Craig Roberts

    by dharmasyd on Sat Jul 19, 2014 at 04:32:57 PM PDT

    •  A medical tent with electricity would not be able (2+ / 0-)
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      Mopshell, northerntier

      to provide you with the services you need? Usually on bigger rallies you have real "medical emergency tents" (Red Cross style) that can accomodate those services for those who need them.

      We know a hell of a lot, but we understand very little. Manfred Max-Neef

      by mimi on Sat Jul 19, 2014 at 04:39:04 PM PDT

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  •  Mimi, for better or worse Net Roots Nation (3+ / 0-)
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    dharmasyd, Susan from 29, blueoregon

    is a separate, private, and wholly owned corporation. I don't know who the owners are, but it wasn't solely Marcos'. It was created to be a cash cow and I've never heard of any fundraiser designed to support the corporation itself.

    The time has come to repair this country and care for its' veterans.

    by llbear on Sat Jul 19, 2014 at 04:37:46 PM PDT

    •  ok, I think, if we had it on the Mall, we could (1+ / 0-)
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      Mopshell

      lower the registration fees ... :)

      A private corporation and nobody knows who owns it?

      Markos was only a "shareholder" ? Or a "co-owner" ?
      And now he doesn't like the other co-owner's ideas ?

      That's fun. I guess then that's real civil disobedience by Markos ... and the idea it's exactly that ... is appealing to me. :)

      We know a hell of a lot, but we understand very little. Manfred Max-Neef

      by mimi on Sat Jul 19, 2014 at 04:44:02 PM PDT

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      •  Sara just called. I wasn't aware that Daily Kos (1+ / 0-)
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        Mopshell

        is NOT going to be with Net Roots Nation. Suddenly DC seems better - but maybe for 2015.

        The time has come to repair this country and care for its' veterans.

        by llbear on Sat Jul 19, 2014 at 05:10:02 PM PDT

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        •  Sara is still in Detroit ? (2+ / 0-)
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          llbear, northerntier

          I am sure that with some help an open-air conference can be organized at the Washington Mall with some inside meeting locations nearby in restaurants or Museums (day-time).

          2016 is an important year.

          If Navajo's plans to organize localized "salons" (I wonder about that name, are these things like "literary salons" or "cowboy saloons" ?) for 2015, I guess this could be a great foundation to have a meeting of all those salons in a unified salon meeting at the Washington Mall.

          I take the Washington Mall anytime, 2015, 2016, 2020...

          We know a hell of a lot, but we understand very little. Manfred Max-Neef

          by mimi on Sat Jul 19, 2014 at 05:30:46 PM PDT

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          •  No. She came back last night. (0+ / 0-)

            Ann had a flare-up of parrot fever and Sara was very worried.

            The time has come to repair this country and care for its' veterans.

            by llbear on Sat Jul 19, 2014 at 05:43:08 PM PDT

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            •  OMG, she is worried for good reasons, (1+ / 0-)
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              llbear

              she told me Ann had been bitten by a hamster at the store where she works. May be they both need help and advice for a case of worker's comp. It's a very rare that something like this happens. I hope it will be cured.

              We know a hell of a lot, but we understand very little. Manfred Max-Neef

              by mimi on Sat Jul 19, 2014 at 07:58:47 PM PDT

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          •  Since it would be held in summer break (1+ / 0-)
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            llbear

            how about looking at schools and colleges as venues for workshop meetings?

            Please note that lamps in the Magic Lamp Emporium are on a genie time-share program so there may be a slight delay in wish fulfillment. (◕‿◕)

            by Mopshell on Sat Jul 19, 2014 at 05:52:47 PM PDT

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            •  Often they use church spaces for pre-rally (2+ / 0-)
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              llbear, Mopshell

              organizational workshops. But I am not seasoned at this. But there are people who are and they need to come forward or being contacted.

              We know a hell of a lot, but we understand very little. Manfred Max-Neef

              by mimi on Sat Jul 19, 2014 at 08:20:06 PM PDT

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    •  It's a nonprofit. There are no owners. (0+ / 0-)

      Your comment is wholly false.

  •  Has about a 0% chance of happening (1+ / 0-)
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    VClib

    There are very specific rules about what kind of events can be held on the mall. I'm not sure a multi-day, partisan convention with an admission fee (on public property) in an election year is going to happen. Just a guess.

    Dammit Jim, I'm a lawyer, not a grammarian. So sue me.

    by Pi Li on Sat Jul 19, 2014 at 04:42:30 PM PDT

    •  What do you mean by "partisan" ? (1+ / 0-)
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      mikeVA

      Glen Beck was not "partisan" ? This guy even abused the Lincoln Memorial for his evil shtick.

      Partisan, because it's running for electing "Better Democrats" ? May be by 2016 people agree to elect "better independent democrats".  That's not partisan, isn't it?

      If it's not allowed to ask for a registration fee, we just crowd fundraise the costs of the stages, tents, chairs, music, may be some shuttle busses etc.

      We know a hell of a lot, but we understand very little. Manfred Max-Neef

      by mimi on Sat Jul 19, 2014 at 04:50:43 PM PDT

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      •  It's not about it being political (1+ / 0-)
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        VClib

        It's one thing to hold a political rally, that's fine.  Happens all the time on the Mall.  "Demonstrations" are OK...but not a proper convention. Just like Apple or McDonald's couldn't hold a convention on the People's Mall.  That's what Vegas is for.

        And in any event, even if you made it free, you can't deny people entry you don't want to be there. It is a public park after all.  So if a bunch of tea party types feel like crashing, there's not a whole lot you could do about it.  I'm not sure there's a precedent for a having an invitation only, paid, private political event on the Mall. You also can't sell most merchandise on Mall property...so t-shirts, mugs, etc. are out.

        Just don't think it's a practical idea.

        Dammit Jim, I'm a lawyer, not a grammarian. So sue me.

        by Pi Li on Sat Jul 19, 2014 at 04:59:10 PM PDT

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        •  Who wants to deny people entry? (1+ / 0-)
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          mikeVA

          Kossacks are afraid of Tea-Party crashers? You know they are there all the time and you can smell them a mile against the wind. No need to be scared.

          What are you talking about. I never have been "invited" to the NN conference. I just could go. Nobody told me, I can't have access. I pay, I behave and that's all that there is to it.

          What do you mean by selling merchandise? I have seen plenty of events on the Mall, where people could sell something. You can have dedicated trucks at the side of the Mall, who can have a space, from which you can sell.

          We know a hell of a lot, but we understand very little. Manfred Max-Neef

          by mimi on Sat Jul 19, 2014 at 05:23:27 PM PDT

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          •  Look (0+ / 0-)

            Go to the NPS website...there are very specific guidelines about events on the mall (including what you can and can't sell for most events, which is pretty much limited to literature). Here's an example from the guidelines:

            Sales of Other Items:
            No items may be sold or offered for sale except for books, newspapers, leaflets, pamphlets, buttons and bumper stickers, which contain a message related to your event. No other merchandise may be sold or offered for sale.

            Items not permitted for sale include T-shirts, posters, patches, jewelry, hats, license plates, coffee and drink mugs, flags, records, compact disks and tapes, photographs, and decals. (This list is not inclusive, but is representative of those items most often erroneously sought to be sold.)

            An event like NN is neither possible or practical. The NPS is very particular about what kind of events they allow there.  And even if they did allow such an event (and they wouldn't) how would you handle something like, I don't know, breakouts, where you're discussing electoral strategy and the tea party decides to drop by?  Having a large rally, open to the public, with speakers is one thing...a proper convention is something entirely different.

            And frankly, I don't want events like this on the people's mall. It's one thing to rally for civil rights, or whatever insane thing Beck was rallying for, or POW/MIA's, etc. But a partisan political convention entirely devoted to electing people from one party? No thanks. How would you feel the CPAC or Hertiage or some tea party group wanted to have their convention there?

            I understand you'd like to see it happen, but understand that it never will.

            Dammit Jim, I'm a lawyer, not a grammarian. So sue me.

            by Pi Li on Sat Jul 19, 2014 at 05:42:01 PM PDT

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            •  Well, I do not want to get into a discussion with (0+ / 0-)

              you. It's interesting to see how determined and sure you are that it's not possible to organize it. Also I find it a little amazing that you think everything that happened at the Mall has to be a rally. That's not necessarily so. I don't care if the CPAC or Heritage Foundation meets on the Mall in the open air or not. They have a right to do that, if they wanted to.

              The Mall can be used by anybody. And a tea party group could easily register at a NN conference as well, if they wanted to and try to "undermine" it. I guess if they tried to disturb the conference they would have guided out of the door.

              And in addition I don't like to think about a meeting of kossacks like the yearlykos has been, as a partisan political convention to electing people from one party.

              This mihgt be better suited as a goal of the local salons., I could imagine, but I will wait til Navajo writed about what they have in mind. T

              A yearlykos meeting needs to be much broader than that, at least I feel that way, at least as broad as the issues that are discussed by kossacks online.

              So, what do you think, a speech by Rev. Barber would be good only in a conference, but on the Mall it wouldn't be "possible"?  Occupy "meetings" which lasted several days, were successfully organized near the Mall on Freedom Plaza as I recall.

              I am amused about your "stern" wording and am impressed. You are a lawyer. I guess then you know what you are talking about and must be right.

              We know a hell of a lot, but we understand very little. Manfred Max-Neef

              by mimi on Sat Jul 19, 2014 at 08:17:48 PM PDT

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      •  mimi - you should find out the rules for (0+ / 0-)

        scheduling rallies on the Mall. I am sure there is a protocol, likely online. I am sure it requires a permit, and obligations by the organizers.

        I don't know if NN would find the permit rules compatible with their goals, but it would certainly give the meeting lots of visibility.

        "let's talk about that" uid 92953

        by VClib on Sat Jul 19, 2014 at 05:24:41 PM PDT

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        •  you need a permit for any rally on the mall (2+ / 0-)
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          VClib, northerntier

          location, how many people, how long etc.

          Details I have to search for. I am sure there are "famous" kossacks in DC that already know all those rules and regulations, but won't come out of anonymity to post them here.

          I'll see what I can find out. Well, and then I would need a clear definition of what the Netroot Nations owners goals would be, in order to know if they could be accomodated or not.

          We know a hell of a lot, but we understand very little. Manfred Max-Neef

          by mimi on Sat Jul 19, 2014 at 05:37:10 PM PDT

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  •  I posted "refuse to go." (0+ / 0-)

    It's mainly a factor of travel costs for me. The East Coast is simply way too far, even a relative straight shot like DC.

    If it were somewhere in the lower Midwest, I'd find a way to be all over it.

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