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There is no lower bound on modern so-called conservatism. It's not going to happen.
As an example, [Fox & Friends] aired two emergency calls from Spanish speakers each identified on-screen as "Immigrant." In the first, a distressed male requests emergency assistance for his cousin, whom the man described as "turning blue." Another call featured a man and woman explaining to the 911 operator that they have not had access to water in three days.

[Host Brian Kilmeade] asked the deputy, "So those calls, you have to respond to, even though for the most part, when you get there you realize, they're not even American citizens?"

As we watch the nice network host very grumpily contemplate the injury that must be being inflicted on America due to various non-citizens not breathing or slowly dying of thirst on our dime, keep in mind that is a contingent of viewers out there who believe absolutely that yes, we should let people calling 911 die if they cannot prove they are American citizens, and would happily tell you so on national television. There's also a contingent that thinks you should die a preventable death if you do not have the right kind of health insurance or if your employer did not feel like giving you any, and who are willing to pipe up with that theory even during a presidential debate. There are people who bring their hands together to clap lustily when a candidate brags that they have personally presided over the efficient execution of a new record number of prisoners, and many would probably clap just as hard if a candidate announced that he had a plan to streamline things even further by simply executing all of those prisoners at once, say in some sort of gas chamber. There are groups now who parade around with loaded guns and declare that the elected leaders who oppose them are, for whatever scant reasons they can come up with, simply illegitimate; this notion of illegitimate rule has been absorbed into and is entrenched even our highest legislative chambers. All the various pieces are there to turn us into a nation of monsters, nationalistic feudalists who are are self-assured in our expansions of business rights and just as self-assured in our calculations of which actual living persons in the world, American or otherwise, have lost their last chance and need to be ignored or disposed of before they cost the rest of us any more cash.

We think of ourselves as exceptional, but we are a hair's breadth from constructing internment camps for migrant children under the declaration that they are too disease-riddled to mingle with the rest of the population. There are increasingly aggressive responses to even the rumor that a few of those children might arrive nearby, and our top politicians are eager to get themselves photographed among military-garbed, heavily armed troops meant to stem the influx of foreigners who put America's continued existence at risk merely by stepping onto our own soil. We have already established that we consider war crimes justifiable, so long as the reasons are deemed pure. We elect those that will patiently explain to us why the Bill of Rights no longer applies to some Americans. The thought that we would consider global humanitarian norms to constrain our own possible actions already stirs great anger among many of self-proclaimed "true" patriots.

This is just a friendly reminder as we watch the hosts on television ponder these things and watch the people with big, misspelled signs confront buses full of suspicious-looking children from nearby summer camps. There is no natural lower bound here, no fail-safe switch that ensures things will go to a certain point but never any further. And no matter how sweetly the nice people on television smile as they ponder the fate of the poor or the powerless or how assured the politicians sound as they explain the common sense of these things, whether it be the announcement that corporate religions trump personal faith, the existential dangers of the disease-riddled other in our midst, or whatever other new obvious truths are suddenly discovered as each year ticks on, it should rightly be terrifying.

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  •  whose actual "lawlessness" is this (16+ / 0-)
    "But he saw too that in America the struggle was befogged by the fact that the worst Fascists were they who disowned the word 'Fascism' and preached enslavement to Capitalism under the style of Constitutional and Traditional Native American Liberty."

    "I just wish people wouldn't quote Lincoln or the Bible, or hang out the flag or the cross, to cover up something that belongs more to the bank-book and the three golden balls."

    Warning - some snark may be above‽ (-9.50; -7.03)‽ eState4Column5©2013 "If we appear to seek the unattainable, then let it be known that we do so to avoid the unimaginable." (@eState4Column5)

    by annieli on Sat Jul 26, 2014 at 12:06:21 PM PDT

  •  thank you. (7+ / 0-)

    there will be more.
    of course.

    there's always more.
    and wise readers will read this book.

    "Christian Nation: A Novel"
    all of it.
    every. sentence.

    TRAILHEAD of accountability for Bush-2 Crimes? -- Addington's Perpwalk.

    by greenbird on Sat Jul 26, 2014 at 12:06:26 PM PDT

    •  Heaven forbid they should read the Good Book (7+ / 0-)

      ...which is quite emphatic that the law applies equally to the chosen people and to strangers in their midst.
       

      One ordinance shall be both for you of the congregation, and also for the stranger that sojourneth with you, an ordinance for ever in your generations: as ye are, so shall the stranger be before the LORD.
      Numbers 15:15
      Ye shall have one manner of law, as well for the stranger, as for one of your own country: for I am the LORD your God.
      Leviticus 24:22
      •  Or even the next chapter after... (3+ / 0-)
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        cocinero, Villabolo, Mopshell

        ...."Hate teh ghey...."'

        33 “‘When a foreigner resides among you in your land, do not mistreat them. 34 The foreigner residing among you must be treated as your native-born. Love them as yourself, for you were foreigners in Egypt. I am the Lord your God.

        You can't spell "Dianne Feinstein" without "NSA".

        by varro on Sat Jul 26, 2014 at 12:55:30 PM PDT

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        •  And this Bible verse from the New Testament (2+ / 0-)
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          bears repeating:

          37 “Then the righteous will answer him, ‘Lord, when did we see you hungry and feed you, or thirsty and give you something to drink? 38 When did we see you a stranger and invite you in, or needing clothes and clothe you? 39 When did we see you sick or in prison and go to visit you?’

          40 “The King will reply, ‘Truly I tell you, whatever you did for one of the least of these brothers and sisters of mine, you did for me.’

          41 “Then he will say to those on his left, ‘Depart from me, you who are cursed, into the eternal fire prepared for the devil and his angels. 42 For I was hungry and you gave me nothing to eat, I was thirsty and you gave me nothing to drink, 43 I was a stranger and you did not invite me in, I needed clothes and you did not clothe me, I was sick and in prison and you did not look after me.’

          Matthew 25:37-43 New International Version

          A million Arcosantis.

          by Villabolo on Sat Jul 26, 2014 at 01:50:47 PM PDT

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          •  Those verses have been removed from their Bibles (2+ / 0-)
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            Mopshell, LiberalLoner

            so they don't confuse the sheep.

            And often in the Bible stranger=non citizen, another point many conservative Christians either don't know or disregard.

          •  I figure it must have been important to the Jews (1+ / 0-)
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            Mopshell

            since it is stated not once, but several times, in their Law. It then passes unchanged into the Christian Bible, which is comprised of Old and New Testaments. The fundamentalists who accuse others of "cherry-picking" texts to suit their particular causes have sure conveniently forgotten these! Not to mention the one where Jesus said "You shall love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your strength and with all your mind, and your neighbor as yourself. On these two commandments hang all the Law and all the Prophets." (Of course they will claim "those people" are not their neighbors, but I think their Jesus might have something to say about that too; there is a story about a good Samaritan that comes to mind.....)

            Being "pro-life" means believing that every child born has a right to food, education, and access to health care.

            by Jilly W on Sat Jul 26, 2014 at 03:34:27 PM PDT

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      •  There is one cardinal sin: cruelty. (5+ / 0-)

        FOX's deliberate cruelty is on display here.

  •  and sadly, there is no lower bounds (7+ / 0-)

    that people will not stoop to in their appeals for money and or support.  

    Every limbo boy and girl
    All around the limbo world
    Gonna do the limbo rock
    All around the limbo clock
    Jack be limbo, Jack be quick
    Jack go unda limbo stick
    All around the limbo clock
    Hey, let's do the limbo rock

    Limbo lower now
    Limbo lower now
    How low can you go

  •  Who has the fortitude to watch that garbage? (8+ / 0-)

    I thank those who can report for the rest of us what the faux derSturmer talking heads are saying.  We must know in order to form answers and prepare responses. The rwnj's are right, the culture wars are coming to a head and it won't be a pretty ending.

    The ground for taking ignorance to be restrictive of freedom is that it causes people to make choices which they would not have made if they had seen what the realization of their choices involved. A.J. Ayer, Sir. "The Concept of Freedom "

    by Memory Corrupted on Sat Jul 26, 2014 at 12:08:18 PM PDT

  •  America is best (11+ / 0-)

    among 3rd world nations, except it's not even that. 3rd world nations require maternity and paternity leave along with having lower infant mortality and better health care.

  •  It's the fight of cornered rats. n/t (8+ / 0-)

    "To take another person's life from the bench is no better than to take another person's life from the street"

    by commonmass on Sat Jul 26, 2014 at 12:09:29 PM PDT

    •  Maybe, but they're incredibly powerful ones (1+ / 0-)
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      LiberalLoner

      and people are dying as a result of their cruelty and callousness. I'd like to believe that it's a temporary insanity, but do not see much grounds for hope on that.

      Every time I think they've hit bottom, they find a lower and uglier bottom.

  •  Things are "different." (23+ / 0-)
    Rubio expressed sympathy for the children now fleeing violence in Central America but said the U.S. cannot address the crisis on its own, calling on help from hemispheric partners.

    "We are deeply compassionate," he said. "This country's always had a place for people who seek asylum from conditions, whether they be political or otherwise.

    "The problem is, it has to be through a process," Rubio continued. "This nation — no nation — is capable of sustaining or absorbing mass migrations."

    Mass migrations?  The latest numbers (that I’ve seen) say that approximately 60,000 refugee children have arrived in the United States.  I did the math – that is about .0002 percent of the population of the United States.  It is about half the population of say, Waterbury, Connecticut.  It is about 1200 children for each state in the country. How is this a “mass migration”?

    (In the months following the partition of India and Pakistan, 14.5 million people crossed the borders.  That is mass migration.)

    And then there was this:

    Rubio said that even the law regarding Cuban immigrants needs to be modernized in order to reflect changing times.

    (So, like Paul Ryan, who went to college on Social Security benefits, it was fine for me, but for you?  Not so much.)

    He'd like to see more migrants granted legal status based on job skills, as opposed to giving preference more often to those who have family ties or who are seeking asylum.

    "I fully recognize that's how my parents came in 1956, but the country and the economy is fundamentally different than it was 60 years ago," he said, "and our immigration laws have to reflect this."
    NPR

    Reposting TexMex’s important link from earlier this week:

    Helping Children at the Border

    Link created by Texas Young Democrats.  Thank you!!

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    And the point is, to live everything. Live the questions now. ~ Rainer Maria Rilke

    by noweasels on Sat Jul 26, 2014 at 12:13:56 PM PDT

  •  Hey Rest Of The World....Murka has a VERY dark (14+ / 0-)

    side.......Just thought you should know.

  •  As a reminder (7+ / 0-)

    If Brian Kilmeade wants to view immigrants as nameless, faceless beings, then he shall forever be referred to simply as The Brown-Haired Guy Who's Not Steve Doocy.

    30, white male, TX-07 (current), TN-09 (born), TN-08 (where parents live now)

    by TDDVandy on Sat Jul 26, 2014 at 12:17:01 PM PDT

  •  RW "Conservatism" is a bottomless pit of evil (5+ / 0-)

    I voted Tuesday, May 6, 2014 because it is my right, my responsibility and because my parents moved from Alabama to Ohio to vote. Unfortunately, the republicons want to turn Ohio into Alabama.

    by a2nite on Sat Jul 26, 2014 at 12:19:19 PM PDT

  •  It is writing like this that makes this site.... (32+ / 0-)

    ...."sticky". It is also writing like this that points up how perilously close we are to the moral collapse of our nation. Or perhaps we are already there. I have never seen such a level of hatred in my life. Demonizing children and turning back the buses is a new low.

    Occasionally one of these nutjobs really starts to believe this stuff, goes rogue and shoots a cop or two in Las Vegas.  

    School children massacred at Sandy Hook and yet our nation can't summon the will to enact even token legislation that might make a future such massacre more difficult.

    For me, it began to notice this slide into inhumanity with Katrina. Fox News managed to convince most of the nation we should do nothing because: 1) These people shouldn't be living there in the first place, 2) They knew a hurricane was coming and so are very stupid and shouldn't be saved, 3) Some of them break into stores for basic supplies and so all of them should suffer.

    The way that this nation sat back and acted as if the citizens of New Orleans were not citizens of this country was frightening.  And now an every burgeoning faction of this country believes your life is worthless if you don't pay your bill for the private fire department on time (don't pay? let the house burn down), or that it is worthless if you had the misfortune of being born in an area of South America that has devolved into violent criminality.

    It's the dehumanization of others we really need to watch for -- in ourselves, in the actions of the government of Israel, in the Ukraine and elsewhere.That is what we have to guard against because once you stop seeing the humanity in others, you lose your own.

    Once a nation is full of people like that, it collapses from its own hatred.

    If you hate government, don't run for office in that government.

    by Bensdad on Sat Jul 26, 2014 at 12:20:04 PM PDT

    •  Thank you for saying what I was too agitated (6+ / 0-)

      to say. Things like this generate so many conflicting negative emotions that all I can do is sit and stew for a while. If I were to try to write something coherent right now, it would just be a barf rant.

      I keep thinking that things can't get any worse, but it looks like they can. I wish I could figure out what to do to counter it . . . still working it . . .

      There must be a way . . . there are enough people who care to make a difference . . . just don't know how, yet . . .

      "Conservatives seem to believe that the rich will work harder if we give them more, and the poor will work harder if we give them less." -- E.J. Dionne

      by lartwielder on Sat Jul 26, 2014 at 12:49:51 PM PDT

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  •  We ARE exceptional, Hunter. (7+ / 0-)

    Exceptionally stupid.  Or, at least some of us are.

    Anyone arguing that there's no difference between the parties is a fucking moron who can simply go to hell. -- kos

    by Its the Supreme Court Stupid on Sat Jul 26, 2014 at 12:20:20 PM PDT

  •  I've come to the point (12+ / 0-)

    of cringing when I hear a crowd chanting USA, USA! and patriot and freedom have taken on new meanings....this shit all in the name of taking America back, gee thanks.

  •  Conservatives in America have no problem (7+ / 0-)

    causing (or helping to cause) massive exodus' of people around the world but, God forbid some of the refugees want to come to America.

    Time to return Lady Liberty to France, I guess.

    Wish I could return some of these ugly Americans back to their family's home countries too.

    "I think the Republican Party is not really a party. It doesn’t stand for anything except reelecting itself. It’s a coalition of gangs …"-David Stockman

    by GrannyOPhilly on Sat Jul 26, 2014 at 12:22:47 PM PDT

  •  You can say it out loud, Hunter. (6+ / 0-)

    It starts with a 'F' and ends with an 'ascism.'  Sometimes Goodwin has to take a back seat to reality

    This space for rent -- Cheap!

    by jds1978 on Sat Jul 26, 2014 at 12:28:21 PM PDT

  •  Denying medical care to those that are (8+ / 0-)

    different amongst us.

    What could go wrong?

    Comments are welcome concerning this enormous effort to combat this disease, which “Does not need a visa or passport to cross the border“, as Dr. Hugo Vilchis, Epidemiologist and Director of the BEC would say.
    •  Not a problem for these folks, HBIII (1+ / 0-)
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      Horace Boothroyd III

      You just keep "those people" out, and shoot them on sight at borders and airports if they try to push their way in. And by denying them medical care once they're here, you'll chase them back where they belong.

      Back in the good old days, Ellis Island and its counterparts were basically designed to screen out anyone with a contagious disease like TB, or with mental illness (though they had difficulty sorting out "mentally ill" from "hysterical Italian mother whose child has just been excluded").

      And actually preventing people who have Ebola, or SARS, or whatever from flying across borders is probably good public health policy. What isn't good or appropriate is assuming that someone has a contagious disease just because of where they come from, the color of their skin, the clothes they wear, or the language they speak.

  •  some glimmers of hope (10+ / 0-)

    Hunter, I agree with most of what you say and always enjoy your prose, but feel there are some bright spots in all this controversy.  I wish I could find the source but I do recall seeing a couple days ago, a bunch of photos that showed counterprotests to the anti-immigration bunch.  Good hearted people came out to show the other side, with signs welcoming immigrant children.  In the examples I saw, the welcomers outnumbered the haters, often by large numbers.  I don't think all is lost in this country, but of course we have to be ever vigilant, ready to come to the defense of those in need.  Haters will lose in the end if we do this.

    •  I think even a few churches have come out to (2+ / 0-)
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      DonMahoney, aitchdee

      protect the children.

      "If you don't sin, then Jesus died for nothing!" (on a sign at a Mardi Gras parade in New Orleans)

      by ranger995 on Sat Jul 26, 2014 at 12:33:57 PM PDT

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      •  "EVEN a FEW churches" (5+ / 0-)

        Yes, true, and good on the ones that are mobilizing, but what a sad way to have to say it. All the tax-exempted organizations that profess to follow Christian teachings should be at the forefront, "do[ing] for the least of their brethren." Or I vastly misunderstood that passage.
        "I was a stranger and you welcomed me"

      •  I'm no fan of the Catholic Church, but they tend (3+ / 0-)
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        cocinero, travelerxxx, Schneewolfe

        to be good on caring about immigrants. I know that our governor (O'Malley in MD) is consulting with various groups, prominently among them the Catholic Church, about arranging for foster families for some of the children stranded at the border. (O'Malley got a bum rap from the White House on this because he said no to housing them in an former army reserve center in an area of MD very unfriendly to immigrants).

        While Democrats work to get more people to vote, Republicans work to ensure those votes won't count.

        by Tamar on Sat Jul 26, 2014 at 01:35:14 PM PDT

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      •  Not just "a few" (3+ / 0-)
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        Schneewolfe, steep rain, missississy

        Catholic Charities has been at work from the beginning, probably not too surprising since many of these kids are likely at least nominally Catholic. Texas Baptist Men (surprised?) have also been volunteering, as has the charitable arm of the Episcopal Church. I suspect that the Mennonite Central Committee has also put out a call for volunteers, but you never hear that one; they make little noise, just roll up their sleeves and get to work. Undoubtedly others are there too, but those are the ones I know about.

        Being "pro-life" means believing that every child born has a right to food, education, and access to health care.

        by Jilly W on Sat Jul 26, 2014 at 03:45:33 PM PDT

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    •  This was even reported in the MSM (1+ / 0-)
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      AJayne
  •  Blinded by greed, and self importance, inflexible (3+ / 0-)
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    commonmass, lartwielder, aitchdee

    holding to stupid ideas, 'to the death'; poisoned by wealthy mind poisoners. WE are not finished, but the end looks frightfully close.

    May you live in interesting times--Chinese curse

    by oldcrow on Sat Jul 26, 2014 at 12:30:05 PM PDT

  •  Blinded By A FOX Paycheck...... (6+ / 0-)

    So does this mean that if Brian Kilmeade or Steve Doocey have a cardiac event whilst on vacation in Spain or Greece,
    they shouldn't call 911 because they are not Greek or Spanish citizens & may not speak the language?  

    This whole group can't see beyond the confines of the FOX studio that provides their daily bread.

    I'd really rather starve.  

    •  If they call 911 (0+ / 0-)

      while in Greece or Spain, they most certainly would die; as that is not the correct number to call. Also, per the State Dept if you do need to call emergency services while overseas you should be aware that English speaking services may not be available.

      "There is no instance of a nation benefiting from prolonged warfare." ~ Sun Tsu

      by coyote66 on Sun Jul 27, 2014 at 01:01:53 AM PDT

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  •  Kilmeade dumber than Doocy! (4+ / 0-)

    Ask Brian how it feel's to be known worldwide as Steve Doocy's "little dummy!"

    https://www.facebook.com/...

  •  Thank you, Hunter. (10+ / 0-)

    Sometimes I'm just too frightened to laugh, too angry to cry, too sad to think, and too dispirited to act. But then I remember, sometimes through reading something here, often by reading something you've written, that that is exactly how the bastards want me to feel. And then I sign up to phone bank, or I walk the neighborhoods here, or I give money when I can. Fuck them; they cannot grind me down!

  •  Tipped if Only For the Point That This Never Stops (4+ / 0-)

    of its own intrinsic limitations.

    Its intrinsic limitation is the historic norm of negligibly few aristocrats owning everything and ruling the occupants with an authoritarian government.

    The conservative movement is the political arm of institutional civilization. Contrary to the assumptions and expectations of the Enlightenment and our system --which arose during a number of coincidental anomalies of technological progress and territorial expansion-- the interests of a society and its institutional powers do not normally coincide with those of its occupants; normally the people are the opponents of society and its owners.

    The march of progress has restored the historic norm and so democracy and enlightenment are once again not sustainable without some kind of forceful, artificial intervention.

    Used as directed, our system is restoring the historic norms of wealth and power concentration and will finish during most of our lifetimes.

    We are called to speak for the weak, for the voiceless, for victims of our nation and for those it calls enemy.... --ML King "Beyond Vietnam"

    by Gooserock on Sat Jul 26, 2014 at 12:37:08 PM PDT

    •  This country is starting to worry me. (2+ / 0-)
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      I'm not a huge historian here, but I DO remember that the Roman empire went in this direction hardcore before it broke up under the weight of its own hubris.

      The wealthy had any privilege they wanted, down to being able to kill an average citizen from the streets with no consequences.  They directed what was passed into law, and it always protected their status and ground the regular guy on the street into the dirt.

      It bothers me to see the parallels between then and now.

      •  germanic migrations (0+ / 0-)

        In-migration was part of it, due to lower birthrate among the Romans, which is what the conservatives fear. There were other reasons, but parallels are parallel.

        -We need Healthcare Reform... but i'm selfish, I Need Healthcare reform-

        by JPax on Sat Jul 26, 2014 at 01:34:42 PM PDT

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    •  Calling for civil war? (1+ / 0-)
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      travelerxxx

      I hear that from the other side too. The difference is, they're arming while progressives are disarming. How does that usually work out when one side has superior firepower (I don't assume the national guard and federal military will necessarily be on the side of progressives).

      What gets me about conservatives is how they talk about independence and self-reliance, all the while sucking at the tit of the wealthy they want as masters (when they're not sucking on the government's tit). It reminds me about some of those Bible verses about letting slaves go after 7 years and if they come back, they're yours. They don't actually want freedom, they're just jealous that someone will steal their sugar-daddy from them, because then they'll have to learn how to suck harder and tickle his balls. I mean, that's what I see running through their mind when they look at Sheldon Adelson.

      -We need Healthcare Reform... but i'm selfish, I Need Healthcare reform-

      by JPax on Sat Jul 26, 2014 at 01:42:21 PM PDT

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  •  John Kenneth Galbraith... (15+ / 0-)

    ...observed that

    The modern conservative is engaged in one of man's oldest exercises in moral philosophy; that is, the search for a superior moral justification for selfishness.
    Conservatives have evolved since he said that.  They are now engaged in the search for a superior moral justification for wanton cruelty.

    When you punch enough holes through steerage, the first-class cabins sink with the rest of the ship.

    by Roddy McCorley on Sat Jul 26, 2014 at 12:42:20 PM PDT

  •  Another example... (6+ / 0-)

    Here is a letter I sent to our local fishwrap, the Watertown (NY) Daily Times: U.S. has obligation to care for child-refugees

    Note the readers' comments. There are some very aggressively hateful people, who eat the Fox crap like it is crepe. They live among us wherever we live, and they vote, alas.

  •  Huey defeated reaction (2+ / 0-)
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    travelerxxx, Schneewolfe

    in 1920s-1930s Louisiana, and we have to submit to it, seek its approved "compromises", today?  That's saying that the US, in 2014, is more backward than Shreveport in 1928.  I don't believe it for a fucking second.  The problem is that there's no authentic opposition to the corporatist hegemony, not a single damn Huey among 300 million + of us.  Humbug.  

    Pay no attention to the upward redistribution of wealth!

    by ActivistGuy on Sat Jul 26, 2014 at 12:57:12 PM PDT

  •  All I can do (0+ / 0-)

    is shake my head in disgust. revulsion...

    "the northern lights have seen queer sights, but the queerest they ever did see. Was that night on the marge of Lake Lebarge, I cremated Sam McGee". - Robert Service, Bard of the Yukon

    by Joe Jackson on Sat Jul 26, 2014 at 12:58:01 PM PDT

  •  I have no doubts (6+ / 0-)

    If these people lived in Germany in the 1930s, they would have gladly killed as many innocent people- Jews, Gypsys, Gays, Disabled, etc..anyone unlike them- as they could.

    Truth is, if these people could have riddled those YMCA kids with bullets before realizing they were just a camp group, they'd do that too.

    And Fox News is one of the prime responsible entities for creating these monsters.

    Mr Murdoch, you are a step away from being a war criminal.

    ======================================================== Those who can, teach. Those who can't teach, make rules about teaching.

    by oxfdblue on Sat Jul 26, 2014 at 01:02:28 PM PDT

  •  I hope for Kilmeade's sake that his is never pu... (0+ / 0-)

    I hope for Kilmeade's sake that his is never put in the position that these immigrants find themselves in. Then again, it would be poetic justice if it happened.

  •  It's not just Fox (2+ / 0-)
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    gfre, Overseas

    Conservatism since the revolutionary war has always been here pushing back on progress. Now with the media, money and really dumbed down electorate they seem to be turning the corner are making sure the right people vote, the right people make money and any money the government collects goes to the right people. They are NOT for democracy or justice (see SCOTUS) or fairness. They want to establish city-states where what they say goes. If they can control government from a minority position just wait until they have all of it (two down two to go). Liberals don't really know what they are up against.

  •  I've been saying for years that the GOP has bee... (1+ / 0-)
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    madronagal

    I've been saying for years that the GOP has been taken over by fascists.

  •  Even? EVEN? (6+ / 0-)
    [Host Brian Kilmeade] asked the deputy, "So those calls, you have to respond to, even though for the most part, when you get there you realize, they're not even American citizens?"
    They're not EVEN American citizens? Like even citizenship is not enough in their eyes?

    To them, American citizenship is no guarantee one would deserve help? Like if you're a black or brown American citizen?

    There is no floor to my disgust, no upper limit to my anger. They would water their lawns until they looked like rice paddies before they would lovingly provide water to their fellow human beings.

    Oh, they'll do it if they HAVE to, EVEN when they get there and discover the callers are "not even American citizens" -- but they want everyone to know that those people deserve nothing.

    There are days that I'm embarrassed to be an American. These fucktards make me embarrassed to share a species.

    "I think in America, the opposite of poverty is justice." Bryan Stevenson

    by gfre on Sat Jul 26, 2014 at 01:14:19 PM PDT

  •  Talk about a snake... (1+ / 0-)
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    drmah

    Host, Brian Kilmeade, not really interested in what sheriff had to say, as much as reinforcing his talking points & message. No wonder their viewers are dumber than a box of rocks. They are fed complete lines of BS. If the guest doesn't stick with Fox News memes, they fill in for them. The sheriff brought up issues like "humanitarian crisis," "due process,". & the fact this is happening on US soil. This didn't fit with the message of consequences illegals could face from crossing our borders, THEY should be afraid, WE should be outraged)....

    "Watch & listen carefully illegals, don't keep expecting us to provide & pay for your emergency care! Remember you don't belong here in the first place, so don't quit breathing or asking for a drink. Your very existence threatens us & our way of life; we owe you nothing, since after all, you are not Americans."

    •  From what I read on general comment boards... (0+ / 0-)
      ..."we owe you nothing, since after all, you are not Americans."
      they'd happily deny this American-born-liberal-commie-federal employee-white-woman water, autonomy, and whatever else they could get away with.

      Everyone who's not a Bible-thumping white American male should just have to beg.

      For everything.
      Fascists, indeed.

      "I think in America, the opposite of poverty is justice." Bryan Stevenson

      by gfre on Sat Jul 26, 2014 at 01:59:30 PM PDT

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  •  An absolutely amazing (1+ / 0-)
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    essay Hunter. So well written and correctly spelled and encapsulating what, sadly, is making the USA "exceptional" as of late.

    It won't be long before these very same far right folks will be calling for the US to invade other countries because the other countries have resources the US wants. Oh, wait. Sorry, that happened a few years ago.

    The good thing about science is that it's true whether or not you believe in it.― Neil deGrasse Tyson

    by maggiejean on Sat Jul 26, 2014 at 01:29:57 PM PDT

  •  Slightly OT, but regarding that 'quote': (1+ / 0-)
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    missississy

    The quote that goes, roughly, 'When fascism arrives in America it will come wrapped in the flag and carrying a cross' is widely attributed to Sinclair Lewis.

    I've seen it here on DKos and some folks have used it, including the Lewis attribution, as their sig line.

    Admittedly, it's catchy.

    But according to the Sinclair Lewis Foundation at the University  of Illinois, there's no evidence he said or wrote it. It's not in any of his books and not in any of his other writings or papers.

    When atlatls are outlawed, only outlaws will have atlatls.

    by wheeldog on Sat Jul 26, 2014 at 01:31:26 PM PDT

  •  The slide towards open sociopathy (1+ / 0-)
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    dressed up as some kind of principled 'conservatism,' is both astounding and appalling.
    We see people openy espousing a stunning callousness towards their fellow citizens, towards the immigrants who made this nation and simpy want a chance to work and have a better life, towards the environment and climate that we will leave our children and grandchildren.
    A nauseating and repulsive display of narcissistic sociopathy that is harming this nation in every way imaginable.

  •  Not to worry. Steve King has gone to the border, (0+ / 0-)

    along with his bff Michele Bachman, to save us from "the existential dangers of the disease-riddled other in our midst." link

  •  I made it to almost... (1+ / 0-)
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    3 minutes of the 'interview' before having to switch it off...
    It sickens and infuriates me that I share nationality with such people.
    That is all.

    "These 'Yet To Be' United States" --James Baldwin--

    by kevinbr38 on Sat Jul 26, 2014 at 01:48:46 PM PDT

  •  I am terrified. I have actual nightmares about the (2+ / 0-)
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    dystopian theocracy looming in one of our possible futures.

    Writers like Robert Heinlein (the Future Histories and Nehemiah Scudder) foresaw just such scenarios as far back as 1940, where religious fervor overtakes reason and installs a President and a Congress which legislates a Theocracy into existence and converts the Presidency to a lifetime appointment.

    Before anyone says, "Hey, that can't happen here, we have a democratic form of government, they couldn't change things like that.", let me remind you that our CIA working sub rosa managed to do just that in Iran in the 1950s.

    See photographs of Iran in that era, it looks suspiciously like any American small town, right down to the women's clothing and fantail cars. Today? Theocracy ruled by religious leaders.

    It could happen here, too.

    All that is necessary for the triumph of evil is that good men do nothing. -- Edmund Burke


    "I like paying taxes...with them, I buy Civilization"

    by Angie in WA State on Sat Jul 26, 2014 at 01:50:41 PM PDT

    •  That was because the CIA effed up horrendously (1+ / 0-)
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      They didn't INTEND to install a theofascist government, they just wanted to Make Iran Safe For Big Oil.

      We are still feeling the blowback from that disaster.

      If it's
      Not your body,
      Then it's
      Not your choice
      And it's
      None of your damn business!

      by TheOtherMaven on Sat Jul 26, 2014 at 02:45:39 PM PDT

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  •  But that is the CRUX of the matter (0+ / 0-)

    No longer do Democrats and Republicans debate over the finer points of policy.

    No longer do Democrats and Republicans try to work together to solve the country's issues.

    No longer do Democrats and Republicans create ways to move America forward.

    No longer do Democrats and Republicans even talk to each other.

    We live in alternate universes in which the very assumptions about what is desirable is fundamentally different.

    One would think, as I assume the author of this post does, that when brought out into the light of day, that the basic fundamental assumptions of the Republican Party are so fundamentally heinous that a suitably reasonable person would reject them out of hand.

    And perhaps for some, that might be so. But that doesn't seem to be the case for many.

    Sometimes it isn't merely enough to paint the other guy with tar and feathers. Sometimes you need to give them an alternative.

    The most basic foundation on which most GOP campaigning sprouts is the idea that government is fundamentally EVIL and must be starved to be brought under control.

    A philosophy that is so monstrously in error in every possible way that one would think would be easily conquered, but is not.

    Government is essential for collectively doing what we as individuals can not or will not.
    I don't know why that statement isn't used more often.

    What separates us, divides us, and diminishes the human spirit.

    by equern on Sat Jul 26, 2014 at 02:20:48 PM PDT

  •  What if he was in a foreign country? (2+ / 0-)
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    I just returned from Europe. If I had needed emergency medical care and called their 911, I would not have been happy to be asked if I was a citizen of the country I was in. If I couldn't speak their language, I would hate to be turned away.

    In fact, a number of years back, I did need to visit a doctor in Dresden, Germany. No problem getting in. He worked hard to understand my English, and I got wonderful treatment. Why is it so hard for people in our country to lend a hand to "furriners"?

    It is easier to fool people than to convince them that they have been fooled. Mark Twain

    by lynneinfla on Sat Jul 26, 2014 at 04:17:11 PM PDT

  •  Fool me once... (0+ / 0-)

    Why should we expect that the vicious people in today's right wing will stop short of their predecessors in Germany, 1933-1945? Is there any shortage of hatred in our right wing that would lead you to believe they wouldn't go every bit as far as the Nazi criminals? In addition to the right-wing schmucks carrying guns into public places there is the entire Blackwater mercenary army. America's right has its own paramilitary. They aren't bashful about saying what they intend for the liberals once they have free reign. They're bold as can be because they envision making war on people they believe won't fight back. For decades I've heard the question asked why did Europe's Jews allow the holocaust to devour them? Maybe then and maybe now good people just can't imagine the depths that their hate poisoned countrymen will sink to before decency rises up and beats that poisonous hate down.

  •  even for fox 'news' (1+ / 0-)
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    BeninSC

    this has to be one of the most depressing things i've ever seen. to be this type of abject monster is truly irredeemable. i honestly don't know whether to cry or pity.

  •  bright side? (0+ / 0-)

    Fox is ugly and selling the hate. But no one here comments on the guest, who calmly and professionally,despite the idiotic prompting from the host, explains that they respond to every call and try to help irrespective of citizenship. That was good to see and perhaps an example that might bring some of the viewers back to their senses.

    Bold at inappropriate times. Mediocre at best.

    by steep rain on Sat Jul 26, 2014 at 06:04:03 PM PDT

  •  The others (0+ / 0-)

    Hate in America has a face and a name. Never vote republican.

  •  If wingers want to let injured immigrants die, the (0+ / 0-)

    bodies should be stacked on the front door of the FOX studio.

  •  ATTITUDE TOWARD AMERICA OR NOTHING (0+ / 0-)

    I list the subject this way because it is a attitude I hear all over. Not because they are correct but because they are louder and given the mediums to expose their stupidity on a public forum. Regarding medical care for anyone. There should be no questions to anyone, anyone, who is in need of medical attention. Doctors take an oath for this very thing. Lawyers make money suing them for doing it. Entitled Elitist thinking people use the lawyers to be loud and noticed. So to Brian Kilmeade, or anyone like him, I am hoping you be in a situation like that. No, you are American I guess, and probably won't be questioned, but let's say your mother, father, older family member goes down needing immediate medical care. What would you say to the EMT who denied them that immediate attention because they must provide proof of insurance first, or proof of medicare/medicaid, financial responsibility to pay for the ambulance a/o medical attention before they would be given that attention. Might you reconsider the corner cutting because they needed attention in an emergency situation. They were judged to be old and possibly questionable to be able to afford it. They were stereotyped by appearance. Mr. Kilmeade, this is of course hypothetical, but it could happen to you or people you know or work with. Maybe you should use your position of talk host AFTER you think what you are saying.

  •  How is it that these "immigrants" ... (0+ / 0-)

    had access to cellphones, and 911 out in the middle of scrub brush crossing the border? Are these 'travelers' that well connected on their journeys?


    If music be the food of love, then laughter is its queen, and likewise, if behind is in front, then dirt in truth is clean.

    by glb3 on Sat Jul 26, 2014 at 09:43:44 PM PDT

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