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Far-right groups said that the American government securing necessary materials for American companies to manufacture is "interference with the free market." Seriously, are they funded by China?

Last week one more example of Republican obstruction occurred – blockage of an important "Make It In America" bill – and one more time not a single corporate media outlet reported it.

The House Republican leadership last Tuesday blocked a bill to secure for American companies critical minerals used in the production of energy-efficient products, renewable energy systems, electronics and other technologies. The result is companies – and the Defense Department – continue to be forced to turn to China to make or obtain critical electronics components.

The China Problem

Put simply, China undermined most of the world's other sources of these strategic minerals by such practices as underpricing, putting them out of business. Once an industry leaves a country it becomes enormously difficult to start it up again. The supply chain is gone. The expertise is gone. The educators are gone – and so on. And, of course, with the industry goes the jobs and the ability for a country to make a living in the world.  A huge investment is required to rebuild all of this.

Now China is the main source (90 percent) for many critical minerals used in electronics manufacturing. China is using that 90 percent advantage to force other industries to come to China. China has been using export controls and other restrictions to drive up the price of manufacturing outside of China. If you simply cannot make or obtain certain critical electronics products anywhere else you either get them from China or go out of business. And yes, that includes our military.

The Bill

The Securing Energy Critical Elements and American Jobs Act of 2014 (H.R. 1022) from Rep. Eric Swalwell, (D-Calif.) was written "to assure the long-term, secure, and sustainable supply of energy-critical elements to satisfy the national security, economic well-being, and industrial production needs of the United States." It would have increased exploration, research and development, and other national means to secure these critical minerals by coordinating the actions of federal agencies to:

  1. promote an adequate and stable supply of energy critical elements,
  2. identify energy-critical elements and establish early warning systems for supply problems,
  3. establish a mechanism for the coordination and evaluation of federal programs with energy-critical element needs, and
  4. encourage private enterprise in the development of an economically sound and stable domestic energy-critical elements supply chain.

This bill is one part of the overall Make It In America series of bills from House and Senate Democrats.

The Vote

A majority of the House voted for the bill, but House leadership set it up for failure by requiring a two-thirds vote to pass. It was voted on "under suspension of the rules" requiring the two-thirds instead of the normal majority.

The reason? Heritage Foundation and Club for Growth objected to our government helping American companies compete with China. They said that the American government securing necessary materials for American companies to manufacture is "interference with the free market."

To some there apparently is no national interest, only "market" interests.

Of course, it is not a "free market" because China subsidizes its companies and uses strategic chokepoints like this to take over entire industries. China sees itself as a country with a national interest. Conservatives say we should not.

Heritage argued that government "interference in a functioning market is self-defeating." In other words, let China have the business.

It really is time to find out if Heritage Action and Club for Growth receive funding from China as part of China's national strategy to capture the world's strategic industries. China would be foolish not to. But, on the other hand, maybe China doesn't have to.

This is important stuff.  Really important. You should help spread the word that this happened.

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Originally posted to davej on Mon Jul 28, 2014 at 08:43 PM PDT.

Also republished by The KETI Program.

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    by davej on Mon Jul 28, 2014 at 08:43:31 PM PDT

  •  Maybe, but mostly they hate Obama... (16+ / 0-)

    ...and nothing good is to come out of DC while he is President.

    Float like a manhole cover, sting like a sash weight! Clean Coal Is A Clinker!

    by JeffW on Mon Jul 28, 2014 at 08:54:30 PM PDT

  •  multinationals don't owe allegiance to any (21+ / 0-)

    country, only stockholders.

    “Conservation… is a positive exercise of skill and insight, not merely a negative exercise of abstinence and caution…” Aldo Leopold

    by ban nock on Mon Jul 28, 2014 at 08:59:54 PM PDT

    •  congress is not (27+ / 0-)

      a multinational.  in theory.  

      Ted Kennedy: “The work goes on, the cause endures, the hope still lives, and the dream shall never die…”

      by jlms qkw on Mon Jul 28, 2014 at 09:07:01 PM PDT

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    •  And CEO's find ways around even that (5+ / 0-)
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      Big Bidness always says they're bound by one law and that they must always do what increases shareholder "value". Of course there's a lot of ways to define that and what ends up happening is it gets defined as meeting Wall Streets quarterly projections and outside of that, CEOs and top mgmt actually use that to their advantage.

      They take their pay in stock, this gets them on the 15% capital gains taxation gravy train but wait, there's more, by always doing what's in the short term interest they do meet those wall street quarterlies and so the stock they take as pay increases in value because there is no reward by wall street for doing anything that is profitable in the long term . The reward comes for making those short term goals that then makes everyone happy and the stock increases, the CEO and top mgmt cash out sooner rather than later, make a bundle then move on.

      They do nothing to see to it the company remains a viable concern, no capital outlays for improvements or an adequate workforce, nope, they're rewarded for working people as hard as they can for as little as they can get away with and running the company's equipment and facilities straight into the ground because they sure aren't rewarded in the short term for maintenance or capital expenditures for new equipment. Nope. How bidness is run in today's America ensures failure and decrepitude down the road as everyone but those in it for short term profit eventually suffers huge losses.

      It is this they teach in Bidness Schools now. Not how to shepherd a company for long term growth and stability but how to loot it by starving it of capital. It is suicide but of course the damnable .01% will do nothing but profit while their country becomes less and less able to compete on the world market and their employees become so much costs to be avoided in every way possible and still have a minimum amount of labor to keep things going just long enough to thoroughly empty the company of its assets.

      In this way, every CEO and top Manager that practices these "managerial" principles and the top .01% who are the majority of shareholders and demand those quarterlies get met as well as the politicians they hire to protect the perfidious nature of their bidness practices are all traitors to this country. There is no question. However don't expect that corporate media to be publicizing any of this (guess who owns them too) nor a dumbed down populace to understand it or belief it if they did understand it. One big problem with this country is its people have trouble believing their fellow citizens could do anything so evil.

      So the big shots continue on with their looting ways and America hurdles towards the third world because as soon as this round of looting is done, it will be all resource extraction and sell offs to the bidders of choice. Eventually, America will simply fall apart. I guess the grossly wealthy will then go off and hide in Dubai.

      "Those who fail to learn from History are doomed to repeat 11th grade"

      by Dave925 on Tue Jul 29, 2014 at 10:28:53 AM PDT

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      •  That actually is not a law (3+ / 0-)
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        See the book "The Shareholder Value Myth" by Lynn Stout. There is nothing in the law about maximizing shareholder value. It is VERY interesting that this myth has taken over, and is used to justify the things you wrote about.

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        by davej on Tue Jul 29, 2014 at 10:52:56 AM PDT

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      •  It's all about hyping the shares. (0+ / 0-)

        Stock trading is a Demand vs Supply thing.

        Since supply is (relatively) fixed, the trick is to increase demand, without dropping the price (which tends to incite a sell-off as people try to escape with a profit).

        To do that, you have to hype the company.  What are they doing to make the stock more valuable NOW?  Not in ten years, not in ten days.  NOW.  

        Cut salaries and benefits to make the company look good on balance sheets? Yes.

        Fire workers, close plants, again to make the numbers bigger on one side of the ledger? Of course.

        Source parts and labor from cheaper markets?  You bet.

        Cut corners on regulatory matters, cheat on taxes owed, shelter company funds in offshore accounts?  Only if you don't get caught... but go for it.

        Pay an army of lawyers and lobbyists to silence all voices of "hey, what are they DOING?"  Well it IS expensive, but it's cheaper than the alternative.... besides, we can pay them in stock options!!!

        Thus has the fixation with Wall Street killed Main Street, put millions out of work, raised prices, lowered quality, and sacrificed so many aspects of the American way of life... all in pursuit of the Great God PROFIT.

        "Hail Capitalism!"  Yeah, right.

        If your sole and entire rationale for doing something is "It's not illegal." then perhaps you should rethink doing it.

        by dcnblues on Wed Jul 30, 2014 at 12:42:53 PM PDT

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        •  Corporations as Cash Cows (0+ / 0-)

          The executive Corps of any large corporation have insulated themselves from accountability to the stockholders or anyone or anything else to the point that they can & do give themselves whatever compensation they choose. Since there is no voice for the rank & file workers anymore & the stockholders only have their eye on investment returns ( Shareholder Value) the squeeze is put on the workers, the dis-empowered & voiceless. To continue to pay the investors & write their own checks at the same time the workers are the ones who have to pay. The result is an entire generation lulled into a gigantic poverty trap.

      •  Frightening but far from false (0+ / 0-)

        Hope the US wakes up before the ax falls.

  •  Republished to the KETI Project. n/t (9+ / 0-)

    Float like a manhole cover, sting like a sash weight! Clean Coal Is A Clinker!

    by JeffW on Mon Jul 28, 2014 at 09:09:50 PM PDT

  •  It's also why there's a big effort into (28+ / 0-)

    researching materials which consist of abundant (and environmentally manageable) elements... for next generation materials that get made into solar cells and thermoelectrics.

    The army knows (because I've heard from their program directors) and they are interested in not having their 'assets' tied to Chinese interests.

    There are a few EFRC's that got defunded in lieu of adding more resources to the Materials Genome Initiative. MGI is supposed to result in a Google-like search engine for materials. You enter what properties you want out of a material and it spits out what you should make and maybe how you should go about making it.

    Why hello there reality, how are you doing?

    by Future Gazer on Mon Jul 28, 2014 at 09:13:56 PM PDT

  •  I am fighting for Texas Democrats. Is everyone ... (14+ / 0-)

    I am fighting for Texas Democrats. Is everyone doing everything possible to bring victory to a Democrat near you that needs your help. Please. Don't just preach to the choir. Work for it. That can beat money. The President's campaign proved it twice.

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    despite the suggestion of Chinese funding, which strikes me as pretty improbable.

  •  Interesting, but... (0+ / 0-)

    How is this not subsidies for strip mining in the U.S.?  Of all the industries we don't need to subsidize, that's high on my list.

    Cynicism is what passes for insight among the mediocre.

    by Sky Net on Mon Jul 28, 2014 at 11:42:40 PM PDT

  •  I understand what you're trying to say but (8+ / 0-)

    I think it reads a little too much like a red scare piece. It would be much more likely they're funded by multinational companies that want to do business in China than they're some kind of Chinese sleeper agents.

    Kinda wish we could tone down some of the anti-China rhetoric. I've been there and most people are just like you or I. I don't recall anyone hoping to bring down America or anything. Later than 60 years into America's modern iteration we employed sweatshop labor, polluted the environment and went around invading and colonizing other countries.

    When we stop putting leaders from the past up on pedestals and ignoring their flaws, we can start seeing our present leaders for what they really are.

    by PhillyJeff on Mon Jul 28, 2014 at 11:49:00 PM PDT

    •  I'm sure the average Chinese working in the (11+ / 0-)

      neodymium mines is just a mensch, just as the average Russian isn't (and never was) a chortling Brezhnev clone who stayed up nights plotting how to destroy kepitaleest peeg Amerikanskis. Obviously, it's the leaders we're talking about, and our checkered national past is not relevant to this discussion, I dare say.

      •  thank you! We went through nascent capitalism, (0+ / 0-)

        and China and Russia are doing the same.  China screamed at us while we fucked them over, and now we are screaming about them.  Poor China.  I feel so bad for them.....

        Please know I am not rude. I cannot rec anything from this browser. When I rec or post diaries I am a guest at some exotic locale's computer. Ayn is the bane!

        by Floyd Blue on Tue Jul 29, 2014 at 05:03:43 AM PDT

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      •  Though experiment: Replace "Chinese" with "Muslim" (2+ / 0-)
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        Imagine a piece at RedState asking if Democrats are working with "Muslims" or "Arabs" and then describing ways in which the Muslim or Arab world hurts America.

        Why is that not ok?

        I've been to China. I don't trust a lot of the manufacturers. I'm not Chinese or Asian by nationality. I've actually experienced racism from Chinese people because i'm multiracial and whiteness is very valued over there.

        The point is that you can oppose a country's government without resorting to quasi-red scare Yellow Peril tactics like accusing political parties or politicians of being Chinese sleeper agents.

        And finally I do disagree that on DKos we don't attack the average Chinese worker. I see a lot of diaries about "cheap Chinese crap" and how bad and unskilled Chinese workers are.

        Poor China.  I feel so bad for them.....
        I just hope people are keeping it in perspective that this is all in the realm of economic competition.
        China has hundreds of millions of people living in poverty that would be unimaginable to the poorest and most desperate American.

        They're probably not going about their modernization in the right way, but I don't think they're necessarily evil or determined to destroy America.

        Hell we can't even criticize RUSSIA who is actively invading and destabilizing its neighbors and killing hundreds of innocent people without getting pushback.

        When we stop putting leaders from the past up on pedestals and ignoring their flaws, we can start seeing our present leaders for what they really are.

        by PhillyJeff on Tue Jul 29, 2014 at 10:28:43 AM PDT

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        •  This is just silly (2+ / 0-)
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          China as a country has a national industrial/economic strategy and it is working very well for them, but at the expense of many/most other countries. We have to find ways to respond.

          The conservative anti-government "market" ideology leaves us on our own fighting against national strategies employed by countries that see themselves as countries with national interests. So we, as a country, are not responding when China or Germany or others with mercantilist policies work to capture strategic industries.

          China is currently the world's biggest trade offender, as measured by the largest trade surplus. Trade should be balanced.

          China, for example, is manipulating currency. We are not responding and as a result vital strategic industries are migrating away from her and over to there.

          It has nothing to do with race, it has to do with the damaging effect conservative ideology has on our economy.

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          by davej on Tue Jul 29, 2014 at 10:59:18 AM PDT

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          •  In 2013, (0+ / 0-)

            Germany had a trade surplus of 198 billion euros, whereas China had a trade surplus of about 260 billion dollars. Convert euros to dollars, and both countries' surpluses were about the same size. China has 1.35 billion people and Germany has 80 million people.

            Saudi Arabia also runs a trade surplus of about $250 billion with a population of 28 million, not to mention funds terrorist groups and treats women like chattel. The average German and Saudi is far better off than the average Chinese.

            China's currency has also appreciated 32% since 2005, not counting inflation. And in terms of trade surplus as percentage of GDP, in 2012 China was 35th (2%).

            Yet China is the one guilty of the crime of running a trade surplus?

            "It is, it seems, politically impossible to organize expenditure on the scale necessary to prove my case -- except in war conditions."--JM Keynes, 1940

            by randomfacts on Tue Jul 29, 2014 at 11:15:05 AM PDT

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            •  Rare Earth Minerals (0+ / 0-)

              is what this bill and diary are about. China now has 90% sourcing of rare earth minerals.

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              by davej on Tue Jul 29, 2014 at 11:37:38 AM PDT

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              •  I was responding to your comment, (0+ / 0-)
                China is currently the world's biggest trade offender, as measured by the largest trade surplus.
                You didn't respond to PhillyJeff's valid point, but went off on China's trade surplus and "currency manipulation", so I provided some facts relevant to that.

                "It is, it seems, politically impossible to organize expenditure on the scale necessary to prove my case -- except in war conditions."--JM Keynes, 1940

                by randomfacts on Tue Jul 29, 2014 at 11:42:59 AM PDT

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              •  If the diary stayed focused on rare earth elements (1+ / 0-)
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                and didn't accuse Republicans (most of who I loath for various reasons) of working for the Chinese I wouldn't have a problem with it. I am sure it is not deliberately offensive.

                Democrats have been accused of being Muslim Brotherhood agents or being Arab/Muslim sleeper agents in the past which is very offensive.

                Kenya and Indonesia are countries. Is it ok to speculate whether Barack Obama is a paid agent of Kenya or Indonesia?

                I just don't think there's a need to bring back Cold War era Manchurian Candidate-esque accusations to make the point about rare-earth elements.

                Just say they're wrong on the bill and China is wrong for the way it deals with rare earth elements.

                When we stop putting leaders from the past up on pedestals and ignoring their flaws, we can start seeing our present leaders for what they really are.

                by PhillyJeff on Tue Jul 29, 2014 at 04:08:57 PM PDT

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    •  The average Chienes 'person in the street' (18+ / 0-)

      is nothing comparable to that goddamned communist government.

      Sort of like Iranians are really cool people, but Jesus, does their government suck.

      And really, many Americans are actually good folks, but one could excuse the rest of the world for thinking we are all overweight greedy war-mongering dicks.

      The issue here isnt 'the people" - we're all victims :  its Republicans and Chinese government shitwads in collusion.

      •  Yeah you don't see the kind of heavy (3+ / 0-)
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        anti-Iranian around here that you see with China. I just hope people are keeping it in perspective that this is all in the realm of economic competition. All countries subsidize their industries to some extent. China's per capita GDP is still only a fraction of the United States', and their just trying to raise their standard of living for what is still a poor country through peaceful means. Some people here seem to be more threatened by that than certain other countries annexing territory, firing artillery and shooting down planes.

        "It is, it seems, politically impossible to organize expenditure on the scale necessary to prove my case -- except in war conditions."--JM Keynes, 1940

        by randomfacts on Tue Jul 29, 2014 at 08:03:38 AM PDT

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  •  Some Whores Are Not Our Whores (4+ / 0-)
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  •  It's the difference between principles and dogma (15+ / 0-)

    Long ago and far away there was a man named Ludwig von Mises. He had a disciple named Wilhelm Röpke.

    Wilhelm had this to say:

    The highest interests of the community and the indispensable things of life have no exchange value and are negligent if supply and demand are allowed to dominate the field. The supporters of the market do it the worst service by not observing its limits and conditions.

    I'm a Vietnam Era vet. I'm also an Erma Bombeck Era vet. When cussing me out and calling me names please indicate which vet you would like to respond to your world changing thoughts.

    by Just Bob on Tue Jul 29, 2014 at 01:15:40 AM PDT

  •  The factors are many (18+ / 0-)

    I own companies and stocks, and get cheap labor in China.  In return, I and my flunkies in Washington give China favorable laws and sell out the country for the almighty dollar.  I get rich, move to another country and live well.  Not a problem that I can see.  

    Silly naive little peasants, bustling around while I look at you all with my magnifying glass from on high.  Oh look, the sun is out.  Whatever shall I do?

    ''The guarding of military and diplomatic secrets at the expense of informed representative government provides no real security for our Republic.'' - Justice Hugo L. Black of the Supreme Court

    by geekydee on Tue Jul 29, 2014 at 03:11:43 AM PDT

  •  For the eleventy-millionth time (25+ / 0-)

    Republicans work hard to kill jobs in THIS country.

    They don't want AMERICANS to have employment, they want AMERICANS POOR, STARVING, SICK and DYING.

    It's pretty fucking plain and simple.

    Fuck them and their goddamned "free market" horseshit.

  •  Grifters, Charlatans and Morons (6+ / 0-)

    Is how I sum up The Modern GOP

    Doesn't Mitch "Turtleman" McConell have direct business interests in China via his wife? Granted, thats the senate and not the house.

    China does NOT maintain quite the same commitment to neoliberalism (ie free trade) as the USA. China is obviously picking "winners and losers" in their country. And to what extent do the profits in China go directly to the Chinese State?

    In light of current campaign financing laws, one has to seriously consider to what extent Chinese business interests are direct campaign contributors to which members of the house and senate.

    I guess we need to amend IOKIYAAR (Its ok if you are a republican) to include IOKIYAC

    I cant tell if its a West End musical or Marxism in action.

    by Evolution on Tue Jul 29, 2014 at 06:30:18 AM PDT

    •  The Modern GOP (2+ / 0-)
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      Grifters, Oligarchs, and Patsies

      Don't forget that most men with nothing would rather protect the possibility of becoming rich than face the reality of being poor. - John Dickinson ("1776")

      by banjolele on Tue Jul 29, 2014 at 06:40:01 AM PDT

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    •  One of The Many Benefits (0+ / 0-)

      Of Citizens United to all our enemies "Foreign & Domestic" is the wide open, Wild West in government paid influence that it created. NOBODY can tell you just who is paying for what. In it's blind rush to empower it's own social class the SCOTUS empowered anyone with a Fistful of Dollars anywhere in the whole Damn World to influence our government under the general cover of the feeding frenzy. It is impossible to tell how China is putting money into our politics but I bet them & who knows who else most certainly are. These ideologues NEVER think thru any possible unintended consequences. This is the kind of destruction to expect when five fascists with an obvious political agenda dominate our Supreme Court. You have to ask yourself this question. 'Just how much more damage are they capable of causing?' How do we go about fixing the real problem; The total lack of Constitutional Checks & Balances on a runaway Supreme Court such as we are faced with today.

  •  Great patriots all (2+ / 0-)
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    Just ask them.

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    by pajoly on Tue Jul 29, 2014 at 06:37:26 AM PDT

  •  Wait...what...? (2+ / 0-)
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    I thought we were supposed to hate on Putin and those (Tsarist/Bolshevik/Communist/post-Communist) Russians.

    So now you're telling me that I should reserve a bit of racial hatred for the (Manchu/Boxer Rebellion/Maoist/post-Maoist/ state-capitalist) Chinese?

    Would someone be so kind to give me a listing of who I should hate, cause right now my Excel spreadsheet lists:

    Russians (yes, I know, only the BAD ones, i.e., the ones who refuse to submit to the US's neo-liberal global hegemony)

    Chinese (see above parenthetical aside)

    North Koreans

    Venezuelans

    Cubans

    Syrians

    Palestinians

    Seriously, being anti-Republican is a poor excuse for this thinly-veiled, anti-Chinese racism. But I do give you credit for not referring to them as "inscrutable."

    History has taught me a valuable lesson: Genghis Khan but Immanuel Kant.

    by Metro99 on Tue Jul 29, 2014 at 07:43:32 AM PDT

    •  Nothing to do with race (8+ / 0-)

      This is about the trade deficit, and the damage being done to American companies by China's mercantilist strategy.

      There is nothing anti-Chinese here; it is up to US to be as smart as they are about national interests. We need a national industrial/economic strategy to restore our own jobs, factories and industries.

      --
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      by davej on Tue Jul 29, 2014 at 07:47:05 AM PDT

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      •  A lot of those jobs (3+ / 0-)
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        Penny GC, limpidglass, highacidity

        that moved to China would have just moved to other countries, if not for China. They still wouldn't have stayed in the U.S. The U.S. trade deficit is about structural problems in our own economy. China just took advantage of the existing trend during the 1990s.

        "It is, it seems, politically impossible to organize expenditure on the scale necessary to prove my case -- except in war conditions."--JM Keynes, 1940

        by randomfacts on Tue Jul 29, 2014 at 08:10:04 AM PDT

        [ Parent ]

        •  Defeatist much? (4+ / 0-)

          We did not have to do the trade deals that opened the borders of democracy, so companies could just move away from good wages and environmental regulations, and then bring the same stuff back to sell here.

          We used to PROTECT democracy with tariffs.  In fact that was called the "American system".

          There are other ways to do things.

          Imagine a trade deal that apply tariffs to goods from countries that pollute. You lower costs by polluting? You make up for it by paying a tariff. We use the proceeds from the tariff to lower the international price of goods made here so they can compete.

          Imagine a trade deal that outlawed threatening to move a job out of the country if a worker doesn't accept a pay cut.

          --
          Seeing The Forest -- Who is our economy FOR, anyway? Twitter: @dcjohnson

          by davej on Tue Jul 29, 2014 at 09:05:24 AM PDT

          [ Parent ]

          •  I think all those are good ideas (2+ / 0-)
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            limpidglass, snwflk

            But they wouldn't work if they were only applied to a single country. Before China it was Japan and Mexico (remember Ross Perot's "giant sucking sound"?). After China it will be Southeast Asia/India/ Africa. The problem isn't China. We can't control them anyway, the problem  is our own corrupt politicians and the system that makes them answer to nationless, amoral corporate interests rather than American workers.

            "It is, it seems, politically impossible to organize expenditure on the scale necessary to prove my case -- except in war conditions."--JM Keynes, 1940

            by randomfacts on Tue Jul 29, 2014 at 09:14:02 AM PDT

            [ Parent ]

          •  we didn't protect "democracy" with tariffs (1+ / 0-)
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            westcoastdefender

            we protected the 1% with tariffs.

            Unless you think the captains of industry shared the increased profits from tariffs with their workers out of the generosity of their hearts (Henry Ford, who paid his workers high wages so they could buy his cars and thus boost his profits, is a notable exception). But I hope you are familiar enough with the history of Gilded Age industrial capitalism to know how far from reality that is.

            Actually, for farmers, high tariffs were ruinous. Because farmers depended on cheap manufactured goods. Back then--as now--small farmers lived on the edge of poverty. A small increase in the tariff might mean the difference between getting by and being wiped out. But the US could afford to ignore the plight of the farmers, and high tariffs remained bipartisan policy.

            This all ended with the Great Depression, when the collapse in farm prices finally became so great that it severely exacerbated the general economic collapse. When FDR came to power, he liberalized trade policy and began negotiating reciprocal lowering of trade barriers.

            The fact is, the US has always been able to open new markets through force. This was the thrust of the McKinley-Roosevelt foreign policy. When domestic demand was insufficient to consume domestic production, we MADE other people buy the surplus at the point of a gun to keep prices high and the economy humming. Sometimes we dumped it at low prices to undercut local manufacturers. Didn't matter.

            Then there was a glorious post-war era that resulted largely through our sheer dumb luck at being the last guy standing in WWII. Being protected by oceans on two sides, we were the only economy whose infrastructure was almost completely unscathed by the fighting. Europe and Japan were in ruins, China and India were struggling with the aftermath of colonialism and were in no shape to compete in the world economy. We had no competitors. Everyone HAD to buy from us. All that talk about American products being the best--well, if they're the only ones, then they are by default the best. Not that much merit in winning a race with only one real competitor.

            And then there was the Marshall Plan, which is often lauded as the last purely altruistic thing America ever did. That's another crock. It may have had some altruistic motives behind it, and it did do a lot of actual good, but it was far from being pure. The Soviets were offered Marshall Plain aid, but they refused, claiming it was economic imperialism.

            They were absolutely right. One of its key purposes was to help American companies supplant older European companies in European trade, to open European markets to American companies and set terms of trade that were favorable to Americans. The Europeans' economy was destroyed and they had little choice but to accept our terms and sign on the dotted line with us.

            This was the secret to American postwar success. Not virtue--dumb luck, and an eye for the main chance.

            We were clever and opportunistic enough to seize the main chance when it was presented to us. But we didn't do anything with it to prepare for the future, which is why we find ourselves where we are now. Eventually Europe and Japan rebuilt their industrial base, and China and India created their own. The Marshall Plan expired. American manufacturing had competition--had to compete. And we have refused to accept this necessity for forty years.

            This era, the one of trade terms being unilaterally dictated by America, has passed. Now we're in the era where we have to talk to other countries to enact trade deals. We no longer have unlimited resources and land, as we did for over 200 years--we need resources from elsewhere. And the domestic market isn't enough--we need world markets. And we can't make people buy our products by force.

            Your doctrinaire insistence on the magic power of tariffs would seem to indicate that you have little knowledge of the issues on which you pontificate, and is entirely in keeping with this fact-free diary.

            "In America, the law is king." --Thomas Paine

            by limpidglass on Tue Jul 29, 2014 at 09:48:15 AM PDT

            [ Parent ]

            •  If Tarrifs Are So Irrelevent (0+ / 0-)

              What do you make of the permanent damage NAFTA caused? America's clothing & shoe manufacturing wiped out & half of small scale manufacturing with it? How about the Pacific Rim Version that Obama is dead set on inflicting on what is left of American Manufacturing?

    •  Oh yes, let's pretend N. Korea's only problem (2+ / 0-)
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      Penny GC, highacidity

      with us is it's refusal to submit to out "neo-liberal global hegemony".

      Obviously the only reason North Korea is classified by most of the fucking world as bad is because it doesn't get along with us. And since it doesn't get along with us, it must secretly be good.

      If we just ignore Russia's continued warmongering in E. Europe, China's many human rights abuses, and what can only be classified as atrocities occurring in North Korea, I'm sure that our opposition to them would be unjustified.

      And seriously? The reason we're talking about China is because they're rapidly becoming a very strong economic power, with heavy diplomatic clout around the world. And maybe I'm a 'neo-liberal' for believing that the influence of the United States is better than that of a corporatist dictatorship.

      Also, Syrians? How'd they get on that list? Far as I can tell we were mad at Assad's govt. You know, for his obviously negatively propagandized massacres of his own people, forcing a civil war.

      "Change will not come if we wait for some other person or some other time. We are the ones we've been waiting for. We are the change that we seek." - Barack Obama

      by anshmishra on Tue Jul 29, 2014 at 08:27:45 AM PDT

      [ Parent ]

  •  Free Market? (2+ / 0-)
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    politically indigo, snwflk

    If securing materials for Americans companies is interference in the global free market then isn't stopping immigrants at the American border who may be looking for jobs in America also an interference in the global free market?

    •  the Pubs don't want to stop illegal immigration... (4+ / 0-)

      ...they just want to control the supply.

      “It is useless to attempt to reason a man out of a thing
      he was never reasoned into” - Jonathan Swift

      by jjohnjj on Tue Jul 29, 2014 at 08:47:16 AM PDT

      [ Parent ]

    •  Cheap Foreign Labor (0+ / 0-)

      & it's corollary, wide open immigration, have been Republican mainstays since just after the Big Bang or perhaps a bit earlier. 'Offshoring' is just a logical extension of that. They may make a few noises about 'Closing the Border' to calm their Bigot Voter Base but outside the Trailer Parks & Fundamentalist Churches in the Big Cities where the real decisions get made you can count on the Republicans to be the immigrant's true friend. Hell, even Bill Gates & Apple whine like kicked dogs when they can't acquire foreign computer programmers, engineers & such on special  tricky visas that ordinary immigrant folk will NEVER see. If you are in favor of wide open immigration (not necessarily reform) VOTE REPUBLICAN. The Dems would favor real reform, OPENLY.

  •  If the dems had a drop of sense (2+ / 0-)
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    Norm in Chicago, shaharazade

    they would use this little nugget of GOP obstructionism to bludgeon republican candidates and mobilize dem voters.

    But they won't.  It's just business as usual.  Oh well, republicans block everything, what's one more bill?  Too bad we'll lose more seats this fall, looks like we'll have to reach across the aisle more often...

    "When I was an alien, cultures weren't opinions" ~ Kurt Cobain, Territorial Pissings

    by Subterranean on Tue Jul 29, 2014 at 08:41:19 AM PDT

  •  They're funded by multinational corporations (2+ / 0-)
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    shaharazade, MJ via Chicago

    That depend on Chinese sweatshop labor for their profit margins.  So yes, they are funded by China.
    Probably also directly through shell orgs.

  •  this diary is pretty disgusting (2+ / 0-)
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    randomfacts, Sky Net

    I'm not at all shocked to see how many recs and tips it's gotten, though.

    China-bashing is one of the many politically correct forms of bigotry on DKos. And since a large demographic on this site generally knows about as much about Asia as they do about black holes, Bitcoin mining protocols, or epigenetics (with some exceptions, of course--there are a blessed few people here who are genuinely knowledgeable about foreign policy), and since they need a villain to blame for the disappearance of the good ol' postwar days when America had no competition (thanks to WWII obliterating everyone else's manufacturing base, and the undeveloped level of manufacturing in post-colonial China and India) and the Marshall Plan gave us unfettered access to European markets, we get diaries like this: yellow perilism at its finest.

    People need scapegoats to explain their pain, especially if they feel they were kicked out of paradise, and factual accuracy or basic fairness be damned.

    The diarist suggests, without a shred of proof, that these Republicans are paid agents of a foreign power, and demands an investigation. He suggests furthermore that there is a plan on the part of China to "take over" global industries--again, without a shred of evidence. There is nothing expressed in this diary but fear and insecurity, compounded by ignorance.

    There are some countries where if you even dared to hint at a conspiracy on their part to "take over," or that they were buying American legislators, you would be immediately banned from Daily Kos. Evidently, China is not one of those countries.

    The fact that the siterunners put this diary in the Community Spotlight means either that they believe this trash or are pandering to those who do. Frankly, I'm not sure which is worse.

    "In America, the law is king." --Thomas Paine

    by limpidglass on Tue Jul 29, 2014 at 09:01:14 AM PDT

    •  Where is there "bashing?" (3+ / 0-)
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      millwood, shaharazade, MJ via Chicago

      You accuse me of "disgusting" "China-bashing." I'm wondering if you can point out where in the diary that is?

      --
      Seeing The Forest -- Who is our economy FOR, anyway? Twitter: @dcjohnson

      by davej on Tue Jul 29, 2014 at 09:10:11 AM PDT

      [ Parent ]

      •  The rhetorical question in the diary title (2+ / 0-)
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        Sky Net, limpidglass

        implies some sort of nefarious conspiracy between China and the GOP for which you present no evidence for. It treats "backed by China" as something intrinsically bad. While there's no love lost between me and the regime in Beijing, the U.S. and China have a deep and complex relationship with a lot of connection points, and points of mutual benefit and respect. It's dangerous to discount the constructive aspects of the relationship and just write off the whole country as the enemy. U.S. China relations are going to be the most important bilateral relationship in the world in this century, and maintenance of peace in East Asia region is going to depend on it. Demonization may feel good to you for awhile but it's destructive in the long run.

        "It is, it seems, politically impossible to organize expenditure on the scale necessary to prove my case -- except in war conditions."--JM Keynes, 1940

        by randomfacts on Tue Jul 29, 2014 at 11:26:26 AM PDT

        [ Parent ]

    •  in the interest of factual correctness, (0+ / 0-)

      I noticed that I made a mistake in saying this diary was on the Community Spotlight; it is, in actuality, on the rec list.

      So I apologize to the siterunners; it's the DKos rank and file who are responsible for this diary's prominence.

      "In America, the law is king." --Thomas Paine

      by limpidglass on Tue Jul 29, 2014 at 10:08:25 AM PDT

      [ Parent ]

    •  As one . . . (1+ / 0-)
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      davej

      . . . who in working to optimize a chinese medical device facility in Indonesia, I saw enough.  

      Chinese predatory mercantaism, a caveat-emptor society, and a long, long, history of selfish familialism is the norm, not the exception.  Oh, the powerful are very egalitarian in treating everybody, including their own people, as servile peons.

      •  now THIS is just blatant racism, (0+ / 0-)

        and dismissal of an entire society as uncivilized. And the diarist has tipped it, so I guess his pious disclaimers were just as hollow as his diary.

        I'd HR this if it weren't for the rule that one can't HR someone with whom one is in discussion. Even if I did, I'm sure there would be many like the diarist who will be along shortly to uprate it.

        "In America, the law is king." --Thomas Paine

        by limpidglass on Tue Jul 29, 2014 at 11:04:02 AM PDT

        [ Parent ]

        •  How is an accusation of "predatory mercantaism" (1+ / 0-)
          Recommended by:
          P E Outlier

          somehow "racist?"  Get serious.

          --
          Seeing The Forest -- Who is our economy FOR, anyway? Twitter: @dcjohnson

          by davej on Tue Jul 29, 2014 at 11:40:09 AM PDT

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        •  Study (0+ / 0-)

          A little Chinese History (there is 5000+ years worth). I have. The Chinese are very centered on their long & often illustrious history. They made a big mistake when they fell behind in technology between the 17th & 19th centuries. They are dead set on not repeating that unfortunate minor blip in their history. They learn from their mistakes & their humiliation by Europe & AMERICA has left them with no love of any of us. They truly believe that the Celestial Empire is the superior civilization of the planet & they have a tradition of looking down on other cultures. They may even be right. Don't make the mistake of looking at them thru western eyes; their Emperors were wearing yellow silk & living in palaces when Europeans were living in squalor like the Indian tribes we looked down on when we invaded America. They take the long view & we are only barbarians.

    •  Well There is The Fact (0+ / 0-)

      that most of our jobs are in China these days & that China's Economy is set to surpass ours as the world's largest. National Survival doesn't have to be fair or pretty. In the Wild West unleashed by Citizens United why wouldn't China pump as much money as it can into friendly coffers? Everybody else has probably jumped in too. There is literally no control over the whole political funding process.  Why do you choose to ignore China's blatant currency manipulation & such things as it's deliberate chokehold on essential rare earth supplies that are the lifeblood of modern electronics? It doesn't matter what color the wolf at your door is; it is still slavering to devour you.

  •  i don't know if they are directly backed by China (0+ / 0-)

    but US businesses that make big profits off selling cheap crap from China (cough-WalMart-cough) probably give a lot of $$$ to Republicon politicians

    Politics is like driving. To go backward put it in R. To go forward put it in D.
    Drop by The Grieving Room on Monday nights to talk about grief.

    by TrueBlueMajority on Tue Jul 29, 2014 at 10:33:43 AM PDT

  •  GOP screwing American Workers & Business again (1+ / 0-)
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    karma5230

    Only solution is voting them out of office.

  •  None dare call it treason (0+ / 0-)

    would be a good title.

  •  Yes. (1+ / 0-)
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    P E Outlier

    They are. Wbo was that Illinois or Midwest rep who went flyin' over there all the while opening his big mouth about how awesome they were and how this country stinks under Obama?.

    The Republicans believe in the so-called Free Market over America every day. And they believe, for some reason, that China is very good at capitalism although they are confused a little by the whole communism aspect of things. But they love capiitalism sooooooo much they are willing to overlook that one little flaw.

    Ultimately, they don't believe in nations or in America. They believe in selling your soul or whatever you have left to sell -- such as influence-- in exchange for nice, long, slow free market intercourse.

    They'll take the Rolex, thank you very much.

    There is no rational explanation for their irrational behavior. They blamed Obama when Solyndra went down because China kicked our ass in solar panels, with their government-sponsored capitalism.  But then, they always blame America and Americans first. They would love to see us be a feudal state to Chiina and we are halfway there.

    If you hate government, don't run for office in that government.

    by Bensdad on Tue Jul 29, 2014 at 12:11:14 PM PDT

  •  China - the world's Wal Mart (0+ / 0-)

    no wonder the GOP hearts them

  •  So many Americans hate the republicans (1+ / 0-)
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    BaldEagle

    and the government with a passion, including me.  So why don't we all just retire and go to the beach?

  •  T&R'd, bookmarked for community edu! (0+ / 0-)

    Poverty is not an accident. Like slavery and apartheid, it is man-made and can be removed by the actions of human beings. —Nelson Mandela

    by kaliope on Tue Jul 29, 2014 at 03:19:29 PM PDT

  •  Free market and China in the same breath (0+ / 0-)

    Shows how unaware or coy they are being as China loves to fix the market their way. Have they not read reports where China owns their companies? Get these clowns out of the way and get us back on our feet.

  •  I've seen enough (0+ / 0-)

    This is a prime example of what is wrong with the U S. The media makes heroes of the assholes that sell us out like Steve Jobs, king of outsourcing tech jobs to China, sorry to speak ill of the dead. But congresses refusal to support alternative energy sources will lead to the loss of a business that could revitalize our manufacturing base.

    While large companies hoard money instead of investing in American jobs other countries take advantage of this selfish policy to expand their own share of tech jobs that will secure their future. With the GOP stifling economic opportunity in our country China will gladly destroy our future.

    I said then, and I say now, that while there is a lower class, I am in it; and while there is a criminal element, I am of it; and while there is a soul in prison, I am not free. - Eugene Debs

    by DonJ on Tue Jul 29, 2014 at 06:42:38 PM PDT

  •  Citizens United (1+ / 0-)
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    Ballerina

    Now that SCOTUS, through its Citizens United ruling, has unlocked our country to anonymous, unlimited money contributions to politicians to use for their campaigns, I would suggest that the Chinese are already buying Republicans, and probably some Democrats, in Congress who will vote as they are told.

    Check the vote tallies and every Congressman who voted against this bill is likely already in the pay of the Chinese.

    Corporations are not people,
    Money is not free speech, and
    Campaign contributions are bribes.

    Any questions?

    Advocating for things that help the middle class, and against things that don't.

    by BaldEagle on Tue Jul 29, 2014 at 08:02:40 PM PDT

  •  Are Republicans Backed By China? House Republicans (0+ / 0-)

    I don't know the answer, but I'm convinced they'd fornicate with the devil if it would kick Obama out of the White House

  •  China is a significant presence (via AmCham China) (0+ / 0-)

    in the U.S. Chambers of Commerce, which itself is in essence a 'non-political' branch of the GOP.

  •  In my opinion... (0+ / 0-)

    the Heritage Foundation and Club for Growth are anti-American organizations intent on the destruction of our representative government.  They should be charged with treason.

  •  "Interference With The Free Market" Is GOP Code (0+ / 0-)

    talk, whose translation is the following: "interference with our wealthy campaign contributors ability to profit off cheap labor." The GOP ropes idiotic voters in with their talk about "patriotism," but never requires any economic patriotism from the wealthy, corporations, or their campaign contributors.

  •  fear of China (0+ / 0-)

    This makes me wonder if the American upper 1% are not scared of China.  They have so much money and so much power I never imagined they would be afraid of anyone.  But I am wondering, what would make all those politicians vote against a measure that seems to be in the best interest of national security.  Perhaps they think the writing is on the wall already and that it says China is going to come out on top as the King of the international hill.  So let's not do anything to antagonize the soon-to-be future King of the World.  
         The upper 1% evidently instructed their congressional yes-men puppets through the Heritage Foundation not to vote for this bill.  If China ever calls in its debt, the rich and powerful in this country are going to be the only source for that much money.  If Congress would get some gumption they could repay the money to the Chinese banks by raising the income tax rates on millionaires and billionaires while taking away their tax exceptions.  What are the chances the Heritage Foundation would find fault with that idea?
          Perhaps that's just the way it has to be.  Some country in this world is going to end up being the biggest bully and the rest of the national bullies will have to submit.  It's a huge shame though.

    •  There is No Law (0+ / 0-)

      That says the Chinese cannot study economics just because they are 'Stinkin Commies.' Evidently boy did they ever. They have been expertly manipulating the world economy whenever & however they can ever since Nixon bribed peace out of them (temporarily) by giving them Most Favored Nation status.

  •  Conservative Politicians (0+ / 0-)

    always put their political agenda ahead of the needs of our nation; always have and always will.

  •  All due to the vote of the Christian Right-Idiotic (0+ / 0-)

    If Democrats don't GOTV in 2014 it will be just as bad, or worse. That is our only chance, so they better get to it. Making Abortion illegal again is more important than anything else and the GOP is more than happy to pander to the zealots.

    The US ranks 138th out of all 169 voting countries in actual voting. Since 1974, mid-term % of eligible voters who vote avgs. 37%. Democrats would dominate if they did one thing- GOTV. They never do. Curious.

    by Incredulousinusa on Fri Aug 01, 2014 at 08:27:13 AM PDT

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