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Rioters destroyed stores owned by Jews and chanted anti-Semitic slogans in demonstrations in France that stretched over three weekends last month.

A synagogue in western Germany was attacked, and swastika graffiti defaced shops in a predominantly Jewish neighborhood in Rome.

All have fueled fears of rising Gaza-related anti-Semitism in Europe -- and the attacks evoke haunting memories like frames from an old horror movie.

We thought we had learned. All of us. Forever.

"Never again." Remember?

But that has turned out to be wrong.

For instance, the recent rallies in Paris and its surrounding suburbs contained three distinct -- and not necessarily consistent -- currents.

The first current is France's "old" left, which has long been sympathetic to the Palestinian cause and criticizes Israel for its settlements policy and occupation of Palestinian territory.

The second current is clearly anti-Semitic. These are the demonstrators who chanted slogans such as "Hitler was right" and "Death to Jews."

The third current represents the "new" Europe and is the most difficult to gauge. It includes young Muslim professionals -- stockbrokers and accountants -- who have committed themselves to France and its republican values. Many said they took part in their first demonstrations because they are angry at Israel's military action in Gaza.

"I'm wearing the kaffiyeh [traditional Mideast headscarf] that my parents brought back from Mecca in 1996," said recent high school graduate Wassila. "I am anything but a supporter of demonstrations," said Arafa, a 33-year-old construction supervisor. These were two of many who gave only their first names to French reporters.

This is the sophisticated younger Muslim generation, most of them children of immigrants from North Africa. Now some of them, and non-Muslim young professionals as well, are in the streets with slogans such as "Israel out of France" -- a political formulation, not an anti-Semitic one.

An anti-Semitic leader in French social networks is Dieudonné, a French actor and comedian who has been repeatedly convicted in French courts of anti-Semitic offenses. He talks of a community of "non-Jews of France" who must stop being "slaves" of Zionism. In one of his songs, he says it's not up to him to "choose between the Jews and the Nazis. I am neutral in that business."

It is a fluid, volatile moment for Europe -- and the world. European political leaders, who have occasionally been wobbly on Vladimir Putin's deadly antics in Ukraine, have been united and clear in denouncing anti-Semitism.

But there is a new generation of Europeans who will make up their own minds about Israel and its conflicts in Gaza. The group includes the young professionals who demonstrated against Israel and a broader group of young voters who are impatient with traditional European Union politics and bureaucracy. How will they react to posters such as those slapped up on stores owned by Jews in Rome saying "Jews -- your days are numbered" and "Anne Frank is a liar"?

Will this new generation -- for most of whom World War II and the Holocaust are chapters in history books -- reject the resurgence of anti-Semitism in Europe and condemn it to wither and die. Or will its members equivocate, and let prejudice pass as part of public expression -- unwittingly creating the soil in which this poisonous weed may grow, again?

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  •  Antisemitism is immoral. (26+ / 0-)

    Opposition to Israel's actions does not provide any excuse for antisemitism.  It is an evil.  History shows this.  

    All those on any side of the Israel/Palestine disputes should condemn antisemitism and anti-Islam or anti-Arabism.

     

    Join us on the Black Kos front porch to review news and views written from a black pov—everyone is welcome.

    by TomP on Mon Aug 04, 2014 at 09:08:40 AM PDT

    •  I agree entirely (5+ / 0-)
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      native, maregug, SCFrog, Ray Blake, Smoh

      However, Likud and its supporters both in Israel and the US exacerbate the problem by characterizing any criticism of Israel or Israeli policy as ánti-semitic'.

      It's the 'boy who cried wolf' problem. After it's been done enough times, to people who are critical of Israeli state policies (as opposed to being critical of Jews, which would be absurd and genuinely anti-semitic) the phrase ánti-semitic' begins to lose its power. In many cases, people regard it as an unprincipled attempt to silence critics. And they're right.

      It's Israel's most vociferous and unquestioning supporters who must shoulder most of the blame for this. It doesn't help matters that Likud loses no opportunity to remind the world that it is a 'Jewish' state that is butchering the people of Gaza.

      When George W. Bush foolishly used the word çrusade' to characterize the US campaign against terrorism, he quickly walked it back when his advisers realized that giving the impression that the war was Çhristians against Muslims was unhelpful, to say the least.

      Israel might want to let up on the 'Jewish state' aspect when it's killed almost 2000 civilians, a fifth of them children. Just a thought.

      Lightly Seared On The Reality Grill

      by Retroactive Genius on Mon Aug 04, 2014 at 10:03:08 AM PDT

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      •  You should have stopped at "however" (12+ / 0-)

        None of the examples provided here are crying wolf. Certainly not the doctor in Belgium who refused to treat a woman because she was Jewish. Certainly not the people chanting about Jews. You should have just stopped at "I agree entirely."

      •  "However" is "But." (4+ / 0-)

        And the comment sounded too much like an "I'm not anti-Semitic but."

        I'm not unsympathetic to antipathy to Likud -- I myself have said that I think Likud is a worse enemy of Israel than Hamas is -- but it's a far leap from that to saying that Israel's supporters are to blame for the rise of anti-Semitism in Europe.

        Like really far.

        Like across the Grand Canyon far.

        Lengthwise.

        "Much of movement conservatism is a con and the base is the marks." -- Chris Hayes

        by raptavio on Mon Aug 04, 2014 at 01:35:02 PM PDT

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        •  He didn't say that supporters of Israel (3+ / 0-)
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          shouldered the blame for the antisemitism, he said they shouldered the blame for crying wolf. And unfortunately tat includes the supporters of Israel here some times, although they may play games and pretend they aren't calling anyone antisemitic, they most certainly do just that. Like the "why do you only criticize Israel" game that so many have played. And the fact that they never call out false accusations of antisemitism.

          There isn't any way to disconnect the current rise in antisemitism with the situation in the Levant right now. Pretending like Israel's actions have no role in the rise of antisemitic actions is absurd. It doesn't make antisemitism acceptable, but this idea that we should just denounce it and move on is like saying we should just denounce any black person who has something disparaging to say about white people and move on, ignoring deeper issues there.

          No War but Class War

          by AoT on Mon Aug 04, 2014 at 01:51:23 PM PDT

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          •  He expressly and overtly (4+ / 0-)

            connected the "cry wolf" with the rise of antisemitism. And that's bullshit. Your read is far too charitable.

            "Much of movement conservatism is a con and the base is the marks." -- Chris Hayes

            by raptavio on Mon Aug 04, 2014 at 01:58:50 PM PDT

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            •  And it is connected (1+ / 0-)
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              I'm sorry if you don't like it, but false charges of bigotry make it safer for bigots to practice their nonsense. Especially when it's done in defense of the slaughter of children.

              No War but Class War

              by AoT on Mon Aug 04, 2014 at 02:06:51 PM PDT

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              •  And false charges of rape (3+ / 0-)

                make it easier for rapists to practice their nonsense, too... do you still blame the rapists?

                "Much of movement conservatism is a con and the base is the marks." -- Chris Hayes

                by raptavio on Mon Aug 04, 2014 at 02:10:25 PM PDT

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                •  Yes, I do blame the rapists (1+ / 0-)
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                  And I still blame antisemites for their antisemitism. But pretending like we can ignore factors that contribute to antisemitism and get rid of it is absurd. The comparison is not remotely close. I've been accused numerous times of antisemitism, as have anyone who criticizes Israel here on a regular basis. False rape charges are extremely rare. Pretending the two are the same is absurd. How many attacked Obama as antisemitic earlier in his presidency when he refused to toe the Israeli line? You really think that is the same as false accusations of rape? Disgusting.

                  No War but Class War

                  by AoT on Mon Aug 04, 2014 at 02:19:27 PM PDT

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                  •  But, but, but. (3+ / 0-)
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                    There's always a but.

                    The false charges of antisemitism, at most, give the anti-Semites some cover, unless and until people start pointing at those making the false charges and say "This is part of the problem," thereby, you know, distracting from the actual fucking anti-Semites.

                    Sound familiar?

                    "Much of movement conservatism is a con and the base is the marks." -- Chris Hayes

                    by raptavio on Mon Aug 04, 2014 at 02:24:05 PM PDT

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                    •  So just ignore all the false charges (1+ / 0-)
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                      right, that's going to work great. Ignoring false charges of antisemitism means that they will continue, as they have since the supporters of Israel here always ignore them.

                      Antisemitism, like most bigotry, does not appear in a vacuum. Ignoring the factors give rise to it is stupid.

                      You think Israel's actions have no effect on antisemitism? Even though almost all of these things are happening at anti-Israel rallies? Put your head in the sand if you want, the adults will talk about the conditions that give rise to these things. Part of which is Israel and it's actions. The economic destruction of many Europeans by the Neoliberals, and the complicity of many leftist parties in that destruction. Does that excuse antisemitism? Nope. But it contributes to it.

                      No War but Class War

                      by AoT on Mon Aug 04, 2014 at 02:33:29 PM PDT

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                      •  Let's step through this process. (1+ / 0-)
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                        Person A: Hey, there's a horrible thing happening to members of marginalized group one!
                        Person B: That's horrible!
                        Person C: Well, you know, people have made a lot of accusations about horrible things happening to members of marginalized group one, you know, and some of those were not true.
                        Person B: Well, that's true.
                        Person A: But this horrible thing is actually happening!
                        Person C: Well, that's true, but look at all the times this charge was made and it was false.
                        Person A: But this horrible thing is happening! That doesn't have anything to do with that other stuff.
                        Person B: Well, hey, you can't separate this horrible thing happening from the times people said horrible things were happening to marginalized group one and it wasn't true!
                        Person C: Yeah, why are you trying to distract from the false accuastions made about horrible things happening to members of marginalized group one?
                        Person A: But this horrible thing is happening to marginalized group one!
                        Person B: Hey, we're talking about these false chargers, here, quit deflecting!
                        Person C: Yeah, what's your problem? Are you afraid to talk about these false charges?
                        Person A: But...

                        See the problem here?

                        "Much of movement conservatism is a con and the base is the marks." -- Chris Hayes

                        by raptavio on Mon Aug 04, 2014 at 02:51:45 PM PDT

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                        •  That wouold be great if it were actually (0+ / 0-)

                          cut and dry like that. It isn't. A constant stream of false accusations on antisemitism means that when people do something like comparing the current actions of Israel to the Nazis, which is actually antisemitic, and someone calls that antisemitic then that gets ignored. And if you haven't seen the growing comparisons of Israel to the Nazis then you haven't been looking.

                          Your scenario assumes some sort of perfect world with only three view points, the reality is different and there is a broad spectrum. When some group of people somewhere in the middle, not antisemitic in their actions but probably a little bit in how they think of Jews in general, like bemoaning the power that AIPAC has while ignoring the fact that said power comes from the fact that Americans in general support Israel so the PAC that is specifically in support of Israel will be powerful, see things that aren't antisemitic being called antisemitic then they are much less likely to take any charges of antisemitism seriously. Then when someone else compares Israel to Nazis and it is pointed out that that's antisemitic the person in the middle will dismiss that charge. And that demonizes Jews just a bit more and moves everything over to the side of antisemitism.

                          I don't think that false charges of antisemitism are the major contributing factor to antisemitism in contemporary Europe, but refusing to talk about the problems with them in the context of antisemitism doesn't help anything. It's a part of the issue.

                          No War but Class War

                          by AoT on Mon Aug 04, 2014 at 03:09:31 PM PDT

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                          •  It's an excuse. (1+ / 0-)
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                            That's all. No more, no less. Yes, it really is that simple.

                            "Much of movement conservatism is a con and the base is the marks." -- Chris Hayes

                            by raptavio on Mon Aug 04, 2014 at 03:10:41 PM PDT

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                          •  Right, well then have fun ignoring (0+ / 0-)

                            the factors that contribute to bigotry. You'll completely fail at stopping it if you do that. Constant denunciation is not a real tactic for dealing with it, it fails in the long run, as we are seeing now.

                            No War but Class War

                            by AoT on Mon Aug 04, 2014 at 03:13:18 PM PDT

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                          •  Factors that contribute to bigotry (2+ / 0-)
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                            include people distracting from it in much the manner as you are.

                            Note: I am not saying this is your intent. That's just the inevitable effect. Instead of talking about the rise of antisemitism, it's suddenly about false charges of antisemitism.

                            BTW, yes, this is exactly how some "conversations" about rape get derailed.

                            "Much of movement conservatism is a con and the base is the marks." -- Chris Hayes

                            by raptavio on Mon Aug 04, 2014 at 03:16:45 PM PDT

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                          •  False charges of bigotry distract from bigotry (0+ / 0-)

                            So you agree with me that it's a problem. And I'm not distracting form bigotry, I'm talking about the contributing factors. I'm trying to talk about reducing bigotry, not excusing it and ignoring the contributing factors. You choose to continue to do nothing but denounce what you see as bigotry, that has been shown not to be an effective method.

                            BTW, yes, this is exactly how some "conversations" about rape get derailed.
                            Stop your comparisons with conversations about rape. Women are oppressed the world over and have to deal with rape and false accusations of rape the entire world over. That is nothing like talking about false charges of antisemitism. You trivialize rape with your comparison and it's disgusting. False charges of rape have serious and long lasting effects for the person making the false charge, false charges of antisemitism are nothing compared to that.

                            No War but Class War

                            by AoT on Mon Aug 04, 2014 at 03:24:32 PM PDT

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                          •  Jews are the victims (1+ / 0-)
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                            of violent bigotry the world over. Even in Israel.

                            I trivialize nothing -- any more than you trivialize antisemitism by focusing on those times where untrue charges of the same are made.

                            "Much of movement conservatism is a con and the base is the marks." -- Chris Hayes

                            by raptavio on Mon Aug 04, 2014 at 04:48:25 PM PDT

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                          •  Jews are the oppressors in Israel (0+ / 0-)

                            They are the only Nuclear state in the region. Certainly there is antisemitism, but Israel has the military might to physically destroy every one of it's neighbors.

                            I trivialize nothing -- any more than you trivialize antisemitism by focusing on those times where untrue charges of the same are made.
                            I'm focusing one one aspect because you pretend like it's meaningless. It isn't. We could discuss other aspects that lead to antisemitism, specifically in the European context, but you chose to ignore those other things. I mentioned them, you ignored them. So we're talking about this.

                            No War but Class War

                            by AoT on Mon Aug 04, 2014 at 04:58:47 PM PDT

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                          •  See, here comes your projection. (1+ / 0-)
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                            You focus on it because of me, because you're not owning your choices.

                            And we're getting down to the core of it. Jews are the oppressors in Israel, true. They're also the victims of violent bigotry. Three dead teenagers, and then over 60 more dead Israelis, stand as testament to that.

                            And now you've moved from deflecting from talking about this violent bigotry to actively denying it.

                            Which kind of underscores my whole point.

                            "Much of movement conservatism is a con and the base is the marks." -- Chris Hayes

                            by raptavio on Mon Aug 04, 2014 at 05:51:11 PM PDT

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                          •  Three dead students who were on occupied land (0+ / 0-)

                            They didn't deserve to get caught in the middle of the occupation, and it certainly wasn't their fault, but pretending like that was just bigotry is absurd. They were members of the oppressing class. This idea that Jews face "antisemitism" by the people they are oppressing is absurd. I'm sorry if you don't like that but it's true. When black slaves rose up and killed whites they weren't being racist. When American Indians attacked and killed settlers coming across the country they weren't being racist. That's not how racism works.

                            Certainly, the events in Europe are antisemitism, but resistance to the oppressive Israeli occupation, even when it takes a disgusting form such as the kidnapping and killing of those students.

                            You will probably disagree with me, most people do, but I stand by that. When the oppressed use violence against the oppressors it is not racism.

                            Three dead teenagers, and then over 60 more dead Israelis, stand as testament to that.
                            You mean the dead members of the IDF? Please tell me you don't mean the dead members of the IDF.

                            No War but Class War

                            by AoT on Mon Aug 04, 2014 at 05:57:43 PM PDT

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                          •  Given your splainaways here, (2+ / 0-)
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                            and your absurd notion that it can't be antisemitism because of a completely orthogonal dynamic (oppressor/oppressed), coupled with your digging a deep hole for yourself in your co-argument that got you into the hiddens.... I think nothing more will be gained by pursuing this further.

                            "Much of movement conservatism is a con and the base is the marks." -- Chris Hayes

                            by raptavio on Mon Aug 04, 2014 at 06:38:15 PM PDT

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                          •  I'd like to not agree with you about (3+ / 0-)
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                            what is happening in this thread, but you have called it.  

                            It's the Supreme Court, stupid!

                            by Radiowalla on Mon Aug 04, 2014 at 04:21:30 PM PDT

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                          •  And yet false accusations of antisemitism aren't (0+ / 0-)

                            a distraction. Magical how that works.

                            No War but Class War

                            by AoT on Mon Aug 04, 2014 at 04:36:56 PM PDT

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                          •  When real acts of antisemitism occur (7+ / 0-)

                            is it always necessary to bring up the fact that, on other occasions, some accusations of antisemitism are falsely made?   Is it necessary to go on and on about it in such a way that the original point of discussion is lost in the noise?  I believe that the diarist was posting in good faith about real events.  I believe those events deserve a good faith discussion.  

                            It's the Supreme Court, stupid!

                            by Radiowalla on Mon Aug 04, 2014 at 04:45:45 PM PDT

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                          •  No, it is not. (1+ / 0-)
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                            And I mostly don't. In fact, I almost never do. This would be the first time that I've discussed the issue.

                            I believe that the diarist was posting in good faith about real events.  I believe those events deserve a good faith discussion.
                            I agree. Unfortunately no one wanted a discussion. As soon as someone said something other than "This is horrible and bad" and started looking at deeper issues it became about something else. What discussion is there to have? When I replied to comments and talked about the failure of the left in Europe and how that contributed to the rise in antisemitism and the right in Europe no one said anything. So what conversation beyond "this is bad" do you think we should be having. Let's have it.

                            No War but Class War

                            by AoT on Mon Aug 04, 2014 at 05:04:36 PM PDT

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                          •  Well, we could start by discussing (2+ / 0-)
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                            the diarist's points with an aim to figuring out where and how to proceed.  We could gather more information and try to understand if there is a trend.  We could discuss how to protect free speech rights and, at the same time, minimize ethnic hatred.   We could look for historical context.  Or….?
                            It seems there are lots of ways the discussion could proceed without going into the blind alley of "sometimes accusations of anti-semitism are false."  

                            It's the Supreme Court, stupid!

                            by Radiowalla on Mon Aug 04, 2014 at 05:19:02 PM PDT

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                          •  I did that. (0+ / 0-)

                            See my reply to your comment well below. No one wanted to have that conversation. Everyone wanted to talk about this, so we did.

                            No War but Class War

                            by AoT on Mon Aug 04, 2014 at 05:42:08 PM PDT

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        •  No, it's not. Nor did I say that Israel's... (4+ / 0-)
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          ...supporters are solely to blame.

          Did you think that the undoubted rise in anti-semitism happened in a vacuum? Perhaps some mysterious chemical is wafting across Europe that has caused this?

          It's happening in the light of Israeli arrogance and brutality, specifically regarding Israel's treatment of the Palestinians.

          The cries of 'anti-semite' everytime someone attempts to contextualize it or have an adult discussion is part of the problem...as you and the reliably pro-Likud RedsFanForever have so ably demonstrated.

          I rest my case.

          Lightly Seared On The Reality Grill

          by Retroactive Genius on Mon Aug 04, 2014 at 01:59:36 PM PDT

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          •  If you think I'm pro-Likud (4+ / 0-)

            you're part of the problem.

            Yeah, solely makes everything better. Fuck any apologia for European anti-Semitism. Yes, what's happening in Israel is inflaming it and touching it off, and that justifies it in no way whatsoever.

            Seems I was closer to the mark than I realized.

            "Much of movement conservatism is a con and the base is the marks." -- Chris Hayes

            by raptavio on Mon Aug 04, 2014 at 02:02:51 PM PDT

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            •  He said RFF was pro-Likud, not you n/t (1+ / 0-)
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              No War but Class War

              by AoT on Mon Aug 04, 2014 at 02:10:22 PM PDT

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              •  Again, (2+ / 0-)
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                your read is far too charitable... he overtly and expressly lumped us together.

                "Much of movement conservatism is a con and the base is the marks." -- Chris Hayes

                by raptavio on Mon Aug 04, 2014 at 02:11:07 PM PDT

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                •  Not at all, basic english (1+ / 0-)
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                  "as you and the reliably pro-Likud RedsFanForeve"

                  "reliably pro-Likud" is clearly attached to RedsFanForever and not you, or you would have also been after "reliably pro-Likud". You're twisting the English language so you can be correct.

                  No War but Class War

                  by AoT on Mon Aug 04, 2014 at 02:23:49 PM PDT

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                  •  *sigh* (2+ / 0-)
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                    Parse the rest of the sentence. It's not that hard. You're taking that out of its full context so you can be correct.

                    You were already demonstrably wrong on your first claim, as the original commenter doubled down. Here we go again, eh?

                    "Much of movement conservatism is a con and the base is the marks." -- Chris Hayes

                    by raptavio on Mon Aug 04, 2014 at 02:25:37 PM PDT

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                    •  I have parsed the sentence (0+ / 0-)

                      It said that you and someone else who is not you are doing something. Not that you are pro-Likud. "Reliably pro-Likud" modifies RRF, not you. Unless you're saying that you aren't saying anyone here in this conversation is antisemitic, which I see would be correct. If that's the issue then I apologize and I was wrong.

                      No War but Class War

                      by AoT on Mon Aug 04, 2014 at 02:37:46 PM PDT

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    •  Burning and distroying Jewish property IS (10+ / 0-)

      anti-Jewish and has no place in support for the Palestinians.

      I do have a broader question. Why do most people forget the reason Israel clamped down on Gaza after it removed it's military years ago?

      Anyone have an answer? Do I see any hands? No? That's what I suspected.

      Try this on for size: Palestinians took the opportunity not to build it's own modern society in Gaza (with funds from many mid-east countries and other sources) and negotiate for the West Bank, etc., but instead sent in human bombs into the crowded cities of Israel and caused many deaths, destruction and the maiming of children, women and men.

      Ammunition and rockets were being brought into Gaza through tunnels, over boarders and on ships.

      It was than that Israel closed off Gaza as much as possible.

      I cannot condemn them for this. The only thing that I have strong negative feeling about is Israel building communities on the West Bank.

      I deplore the killing of Palestinians, whether children or adults. However when there is a war, civilians have always felt the brunt of these clashes. That's why war stinks!

      All wars lead to deaths of "innocents" and some not so innocent.

      When weapons caches are found in schools and other buildings in Gaza, I ask, who put them there and why do they store them amid civilians.

      You might say I'm just parroting what the Israelis say, but I heard these charges from UN workers who have seen these "storage facilities."

      It’s the Supreme Court, stupid! Followed by: It's always the Supreme Court! Progressives will win only when we convince a majority that they, too, are Progressive.

      by auapplemac on Mon Aug 04, 2014 at 10:34:19 AM PDT

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      •  I'm no fan of Hamas. (8+ / 0-)

        Agree with you on that.  Also about antisemitism.  And on the settlements.  

        I hope Israel withdraws soon from Hamas.  The causes of the present conflict are entangled with the past.  

        The civilian deaths are too high.  And those deaths are harming Israel long term more than anything Hamas has done or tried to do.

        I understand your position.  

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        by TomP on Mon Aug 04, 2014 at 10:57:46 AM PDT

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      •  "Anyone have an answer? Do I see any hands? No? (4+ / 0-)
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        That's what I suspected." Lot's of people have the answer and it's not the Likud bullshit you're spewing.

      •  The fact that you would come into a diary about (1+ / 0-)
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        antisemitism and spout bullshit pro-Israeli propaganda is part of the problem. You just made Israel's actions about all Jews, nice job.

        No War but Class War

        by AoT on Mon Aug 04, 2014 at 01:52:54 PM PDT

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      •  Hey, this hasbara is really stale! Throw it out! (4+ / 0-)
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        From The Nation's Debunked Israeli Talking Points:

        Despite removing 8,000 settlers and the military infrastructure [in 2005] that protected their illegal presence, Israel maintained effective control of the Gaza Strip and thus remains the occupying power as defined by Article 47 of the Hague Regulations. To date, Israel maintains control of the territory's air space, territorial waters, electromagnetic sphere, population registry and the movement of all goods and people.

        Israel argues that the withdrawal from Gaza demonstrates that ending the occupation will not bring peace. Some have gone so far as to say that Palestinians squandered their opportunity to build heaven in order to build a terrorist haven instead. These arguments aim to obfuscate Israel's responsibilities in the Gaza Strip, as well as the West Bank. As Prime Minister Netanyahu once explained, Israel must ensure that it does not "get another Gaza in Judea and Samaria…. I think the Israeli people understand now what I always say: that there cannot be a situation, under any agreement, in which we relinquish security control of the territory west of the River Jordan."

        Palestinians have yet to experience a day of self-governance. Israel immediately imposed a siege upon the Gaza Strip when Hamas won parliamentary elections in January 2006 and tightened it severely when Hamas routed Fatah in June 2007. The siege has created a "humanitarian catastrophe" in the Gaza Strip. Inhabitants will not be able to access clean water, electricity or tend to even the most urgent medical needs. The World Health Organization explains that the Gaza Strip will be unlivable by 2020. Not only did Israel not end its occupation, it has created a situation in which Palestinians cannot survive in the long-term.

  •  Some substantiating links (6+ / 0-)

    From the New York Times Friday, on Germany. (The Times won't allow you to copy from text in Windows 8 without an additional operation)

    From the August 8 issue of Newsweek (the COVER STORY):

    Seventy years after the Holocaust, from Amiens to Athens, the world’s oldest hatred flourishes anew. For some, opposition to Israeli policies is now a justification for open hatred of Jews – even though many Jews are strongly opposed to Israel’s rightward lurch, and support the establishment of a Palestinian state.
    Fromvox.com - "Gas the Jews", with this conclusion:
    [Ohio State University sociologist William] Luckily, Brustein believes there's not likely to be a sustained trend in anti-Semitic violence. "The underlying roots and motivators [of anti-Semitism] have been eliminated or declined," he said. Mainstream Christian doctrine is no longer anti-Semitic, fewer people believe anti-Semitic conspiracy theories, and Nazi-style racial hatred is no longer in power. It's a welcome reminder amidst troubling news.
    It's easier to do this than to send you back to your sources, which are readily accessible.

    All it takes is security in your own civil rights to make you complacent.

    by Dave in Northridge on Mon Aug 04, 2014 at 09:16:03 AM PDT

  •  An inability (or refusal)... (14+ / 0-)

    ...to separate the worldwide population of Jews from Israelis.  There are Jews all over the globe, most of whom have no input into the events taking place in Gaza/Israel.  Sadly, this is not obvious to everyone.  

    I'm not always political, but when I am I vote Democratic. Stay Democratic, my friends. -The Most Interesting Man in the World

    by boran2 on Mon Aug 04, 2014 at 09:41:29 AM PDT

  •  The view is growing darker. (4+ / 0-)
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    Anti-semitism is wrong. So is the hatred of Arab communities that we have seen on gross display here. Hatred in all forms is wrong.

    With that being said, with the Israelis gross and disapportinate actions in the Gaza crisis, we had to expect a harsh reaction. The world now sees Israel and by extension Jews in a darker light. I'm afraid that this is the beginning of the erosion of the high moral ground Jews have had. Yes, there could be years of beliefs that the Israelis have committed genocide against humanity. There could be sickening comparisons of WW2 and the suffering Jews suffered. What we may see is the world community seeing Israel - and by extension Jewish communities worldwide - as the hateful aggressor who has designs to eliminate a piece of humanity. They are no longer victims of their position but a bully. A country - and it's citizens - cannot publicly communicate that genocide and displacement are okay anywhere in the world and expect closed mouths.

    I'm afraid that there may be future generations that won't see the suffering that Jews have suffered in the past. They will see this new aggressor who uses their strength to hammer others. Unfair or not, that's the view in some quarters.

  •  This is a thoughtful and nuanced diary (14+ / 0-)

    on a very difficult subject. I really appreciate your efforts to try to sort out the different strains of opinion. Obviously they are not always clearly distinct from one another.

    There has been a rise in Europe of right wing xenophobic/racist movements. Anti-semiticism is but one facet of their activities.

    •  With an inflamatory headline. (0+ / 0-)

      The story points out that most of the protestors are against the actions of the israeli government and few of them are motivated by hatred of jews in general and yet the diarist decided to put refer to a 're-emergence of anti-semitism' in his headline which is no where reflected in the story.

      Can we have a reference please to confirm that the demonstrators attacked 'jewish owned stores' rather than 'businesses who have made donations to jewish settlements in the occupied territories'? These may look like the same thing but politically they are quite different.

  •  And this from Hungary: (10+ / 0-)

    Via Talking Points Memo

    BUDAPEST, Hungary (AP) — The mayor of a town in eastern Hungary has held an event hanging effigies of the prime minister and former president of Israel to protest the war in Gaza.

    Mihaly Zoltan Orosz, who has been mayor of Erpatak since 2005, told The Associated Press Monday that the "Jewish terror state" is trying to obliterate the Palestinians and said he opposed "the efforts of Freemason Jews to rule the world."

    It's the Supreme Court, stupid!

    by Radiowalla on Mon Aug 04, 2014 at 10:47:04 AM PDT

    •  Ugh ... (6+ / 0-)

      the return of the Arrow Cross to Hungary.

      "Valerie, why am I getting all these emails calling me a classless boor?"

      by TLS66 on Mon Aug 04, 2014 at 11:19:52 AM PDT

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      •  Antisemitism in Hungary is flourishing (8+ / 0-)
        In the 21st century, antisemitism in Hungary has evolved and received an institutional framework, while verbal and physical aggression against Jews (and Roma as well) has escalated, creating a great difference between its earlier manifestations in the 1990s and recent developments. One of the major representatives of this institutionalized antisemitic ideology is the popular Hungarian party Jobbik, which received 17 percent of the vote in the April 2010 national election.
         The far-right subculture, which ranges from nationalist shops to radical-nationalist and neo-Nazi festivals and events, plays a major role in the institutionalization of Hungarian antisemitism in the 21st century. The contemporary antisemitic rhetoric has been updated and expanded, but is still based on the old antisemitic notions. The traditional accusations and motifs include such phrases as Jewish occupation, international Jewish conspiracy, Jewish responsibility for the Treaty of Trianon, Judeo-Bolshevism, as well as blood libels against Jews. Nevertheless, in the past few years, this has been increased with the Palestinization of the Hungarian people,[6] the reemergence of the blood libel and an increase in Holocaust relativization and denial, while the monetary crisis has revived references to the “Jewish banker class”.[4]
        Link

        It's the Supreme Court, stupid!

        by Radiowalla on Mon Aug 04, 2014 at 12:05:52 PM PDT

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    •  Hungary is seeing a swift rise in Fascism (1+ / 0-)
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      along with all the horrible things that go along with that. As well as other European countries.

      I'd been screaming about the likelihood of this happening for a few years and everyone seemed perfectyl content to say, "nah, no worries." Now that there's a slight uptick suddenly it's  a real issue. You don't fight fascists after they start getting popular, you do it before they get popular.

      Thankfully Ertpak is a tiny town of less than 2000 people, so that specific politician isn't exactly powerful. What is worrisome is the larger numbers of fascists in the more populated areas.

      No War but Class War

      by AoT on Mon Aug 04, 2014 at 02:03:52 PM PDT

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  •  They are well known over this side of the pond (4+ / 0-)

    and are made up of the same xenophobes that rant about the take over of Islam and some extremist Muslim groups, weird seeing two groups screaming the same thing.

    The vast majority however know how to tell the difference.

    "I decided it is better to scream. Silence is the real crime against humanity." Nadezhda Mandelstam

    by LaFeminista on Mon Aug 04, 2014 at 11:20:32 AM PDT

  •  Published (3+ / 0-)
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    1 augustus. Nu.nl, a general purpose mass news ticker

    A growing number of jewish families says they want to leave the Netherlands because of the growing antisemitism.

    They are feeling not safe and are enduring slurs and threats directed at them when walking on the streets. That said Oberrabi Jacobs on the (TV program) on Friday. (ed - this last friday).

    At the Jacobs home, two weeks ago a stone was thrown through the window. "I will stay living here, and be it alone because of my function. A captain has to be the last to leave the ship."

    Likewise, at the Meldpunt Discriminatie Internet (ed, a local institution) the alerts about tensions between population groupings have risen strongly. The meldpunt got 122 alerts over the last few days, where ten would have been the norm.

    Two own comments. One: To equate the current increase in antisemtism (which is real enough) with the openly exterminatory antisemitism of the Nazis is wrong. Thats kind of a reverse Godwinism. Yet there should be no doubt that the current antisiemitism if unchecked can lead to quite traditional pogroms. That is still a long extrapolation that hopefully never comes to pass, yet noone should have illusions about the capacity of crowds for violence. Thats borne out often enough in just the recent history, e. g. when south Italians were stoning black refugees (the boat people).

    Two: as fas as I can see the current wave has two different main sources. one is old the traditional right wing world view, the european populace is embracing the right wing populist alternative out of a feeling of being trahisoned (treasoned? english sp.) by our current elites. But the other is the new european arab-muslim population segment, that is directly imported from the Mid East, very unsurprisingly, and to the extent that it goes there it will also go here. Regarding this although it is a bad and difficult to fight challenge, people (most of all the arab-muslim segment themselves) shouldnt forget that Jews lived in relative peace all down the hundreds of years in all the various embodiments of the arabic commonwealth. and if coexistence was possible there, then thats possible here too, even more. This is why I fear the arab-oislamic antisemitism less, and our own more (our own, where perfectly "western" perfectly "normal seeming" people suddenly find it in themselves to hand out death to strangers for imagined reasons).

  •  I've never understood antisemitism (0+ / 0-)

    Especially in Europe. Oh, I understand it in the Middle East among many Muslims...as much as I disagree with it, I understand it.

    But antisemitism that has been part of Europe for centuries, culminating in the Nazi Holocaust...that I don't understand.  Antisemitism from every day people.  Antisemitism from the Poles who were very much victims of the Third Reich and regarded by Hitler as just a step above Jews. Antisemitism from their neighbours and "friends" across the continent. I'm not sure what it is about the Jews that brings up such hatred in such large numbers...I've always genuinely been baffled by it, especially since historically it's historically be existed among both the left and right.

    So excuse me if I don't give the increased anti-Jewish (disguised as anti-Israeli) rhetoric in Europe and elsewhere the benefit of the doubt, because history tells me otherwise.  Behaviour by Israel gives anti-Semites "cover" the same way the behaviour by, for example, gangs in Chicago gives racists "cover" for their criticism.

    Be that as it may, I don't believe that criticism of Israel is defacto anti-Semitic.  Nonetheless, I believe quite a bit of it is (including quite a bit on Daily Kos), and I have a very simple test for determining that. If I see criticism of Israel that's fact based and reasoned, I'll give the commenter the benefit of the doubt that s/he's not coming from a place of antisemitism.  For example, I don't believe saying "Even if Hamas is hiding fighters and weapons among civilians, I don't think it's moral for Israel to target those areas" is per se antisemitic. People can disagree on this statement, but they can disagree based on rationality.

    On the other hand, if the criticism is irrational (e.g. "Israel is intentionally trying to commit genocide") then I'll conclude (correctly) that this irrationality must be based on antisemitism, which by its nature is irrational. By this measure, there's far too much antisemitism around here, IMO.

    Dammit Jim, I'm a lawyer, not a grammarian. So sue me.

    by Pi Li on Mon Aug 04, 2014 at 05:27:18 PM PDT

    •  You ask (3+ / 0-)
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      I'm not sure what it is about the Jews that brings up such hatred in such large numbers..
      You might ask instead "What is it about the Jew haters that makes them hate Jews?"  Jew-hatred is the responsibility of the haters.  

      That being said, if you are trying to understand the source of anti-semitism in Europe, you can start here:

      Constantine's Sword: The Church and the Jews – A History (2001) is a book by James Carroll, a former priest, which documents the role of the Roman Catholic Church in the long European history of antisemitism. The primary source of anti-Jewish violence is the perennial obsession with converting the Jews to Christianity; an event which some theologians believed would usher in the Second Coming.

      Carroll disclaims the notion that Christian anti-Judaism leads inevitably to the Shoah perpetrated by National Socialism, but he argues that Church's long history of "Jew-hatred" (his term) laid the foundation for Hitler's crimes. Carroll also points out the many "turning points," as he labels them, where the Church's attitudes and actions toward Jews could have been shifted. Just one example cited in the book is that of Pierre Abelard (1079–1142), the French theologian and philosopher, whose teachings, had they been accepted, would have radically changed the direction and cast of Christian dogma…….

      Wikipedia Link so I don't have to link to Amazon

      It's the Supreme Court, stupid!

      by Radiowalla on Mon Aug 04, 2014 at 06:41:07 PM PDT

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      •  The abuse of the Jews by nobility (1+ / 0-)
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        and those in power, and the fact that the antisemic masses ate it up, is one of the tragedies of European history, for both groups. What gets me so much is how easy groups are turned against an other, and how often that can be reversed through compassion afterwards. The fact

        No War but Class War

        by AoT on Mon Aug 04, 2014 at 07:12:03 PM PDT

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      •  Oops, to finish (1+ / 0-)
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        It's worrying that we're seeing another resurgence of this, and the one commonality in those who hate, who really hate, is hurt and a feeling of powerlessness. Which is ironic because things like antisemitism or racism don't actually give most people more real power. Certainly it gives them a sort of day to day power that feels like it's real power.

        There's an Asimov quote I just ran into that I think sums this up nicely.

        "We abandoned the appearance of power to preserve the essence of it."

        Racism and antisemitism are, for the hating masses, about the appearance of power more than the reality of it. A poor white dude in Selma doesn't really have any more control over his life because he's keeping down some black folks. Until more and more people realize that, and understand the ways in which they exert the "appearance" of power I don't think we'll make progress.

        No War but Class War

        by AoT on Mon Aug 04, 2014 at 07:16:55 PM PDT

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  •  Thoughtful first steps in analysis (3+ / 0-)
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    I do think that a fair exploration of this topic will require a very nuanced examination of racism in France as well, and the shifting, opportunistic politics of the National Front and associated groups.  The conditions for many French Arabs is quite dire, and anti-Semitism is not necessarily linked to Israel per se.  Or rather, the French discourse on anti-Semitism is perceived as being lopsided in light of their own treatment by police, the French political establishment and the labor market.  

     Unfortunately, I think that there is a feedback loop at play here.  Nationalism, and Jewish nationalism is no exception, feeds on external animus to justify group unity. Much the same could be said of religious fundamentalism, although as you intuit that's not all that is at play here (but it is there).  I do not have any good answers, because I perceive the wave of nationalism within Israel as a contributing factor but not a cause, and nationalists within Israel have their own reasons for highlighting anti-Semitism in Europe, just as Islamic fundamentalists have their own reasons for using anti-Arab racism and Islamophobia as a recruiting mechanism.  

      Right now, I still think the rise of extreme anti-Semitism in the government is unlikely.  But things can change with time; there's a reason that the French Prime Minister has recalibrated his public language, and it has as much to do with internal developments as it does with foreign policy considerations.  

     The reason that I remain more concerned about anti-Arab sentiment in Europe, at the moment anyway, is because I see no conceivable path to victory for ultra-right if it openly embraces extreme anti-Semitism.  I think that xenophobia remains most lethal and widespread when targeted against Muslims.  But even if I think that the right would be more likely to exploit hostility to Islam and Arabs, I think that it is equally true that anti-Semitism would increase alongside Islamophobia and anti-Arab racism.  But this will only happen if conditions develop to support it and, alas, the failure of the French left to improve the quality of life in France is one such condition.  

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