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Firefighter Keith McMillen (R) keeps watch over a controlled burn while battling the Carlton Complex Fire near Winthrop, Washington July 19, 2014. The wildfire raging unchecked for a sixth day east of Washington state's Cascade Mountains has destroyed about 100 homes, displaced hundreds of residents and left thousands without electricity, emergency officials said on Saturday. A cluster of lightning-sparked blazes that merged days ago into a conflagration dubbed the Carlton Complex has scorched at least 336 square miles (870 sq km) of dry timber and grasslands in north-central Washington since Monday, officials said. REUTERS/David Ryder  (UNITED STATES - Tags: DISASTER ENVIRONMENT) - RTR3ZDFS
Remember how the Republican House melted down last week over a pointless border bill that was also supposed to include emergency funding for other stuff, and Republican obstructionists in the Senate halted most action on emergency funding in that body? That included emergency funding to respond to a wildfire season in the West that started early and is becoming massive. Well, here's the result:
Agriculture Secretary Tom Vilsack said Tuesday that about $400 million to $500 million in projects will have to be put on hold in what has become a routine exercise toward the end of the fiscal year. He predicted that the money set aside strictly for firefighting will run out by the end of August.

"When we begin to run out of money we have to dip into the very programs that will reduce the risk of these fires over time," Vilsack said in a telephone interview with the Associated Press.

There are about 30 large fires raging now in California, Oregon, Washington, and Idaho. Thunderstorms this week threaten to touch off more every day. There are at least two months left in this fire season. In remote areas in the Mountain West, fires often burn until the first snow in late October. Republicans being Republicans, spending money on the science of, and activities for, preventing wildfires doesn't matter. Because they have a much simpler plan: Cut down all the trees.
The House Budget Committee, led by Rep. Paul Ryan, has said it would be better to work within existing spending caps to fully fund both the firefighting efforts and prevention work.

That would mean finding savings through other Department of Agriculture and Interior programs. House Republicans also argue that a bill they passed last year requiring greater timber harvesting on federal lands could help reduce the amount of money needed for fire prevention efforts. The administration opposed that bill saying it undermined several laws and rules established to protect the environment.

AP reports that the Forest Service has had to steal about $950 million from other funds to respond to wildfires, and that over the past 12 years, they've had to take about $3.2 billion from wildfire prevention. So it's very likely that the prevention money they didn't spend 12 years ago is burning up somewhere in the West today.

Originally posted to Joan McCarter on Wed Aug 06, 2014 at 12:08 PM PDT.

Also republished by DK GreenRoots, New Jersey Kossacks, Subversive Agitation Team Action Network, Street Prophets , and Daily Kos.

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  •  Rethuglicans burning down the country... (10+ / 0-)

    four states at a time.

    America, We blow stuff up!!

    by IndyinDelaware on Wed Aug 06, 2014 at 12:25:31 PM PDT

  •  Lives are more important (16+ / 0-)

    than anything at this point.  Evacuate, don't risk firefighter lives to save isolated dwellings and let the insurance carriers discuss things with the Republicans.

    I don't want to sound heartless -- but, really, the robbing Peter to pay Paul bullshite has to stop.  Let people see exactly what the consequences of Republican obstruction really means.  

    " My faith in the Constitution is whole; it is complete; it is total." Barbara Jordan, 1974

    by gchaucer2 on Wed Aug 06, 2014 at 12:25:41 PM PDT

  •  Cutting down the trees is a perfect solution. (16+ / 0-)

    You get rid of the fuel for the fires AND you stop the production of oxygen which is required to keep the fires burning.

    Oh wait...

    Most of the people taking a hard line against us are firmly convinced that they are the last defenders of civilization... The last stronghold of mother, God, home and apple pie and they're full of shit! David Crosby, Journey Thru the Past.

    by Mike S on Wed Aug 06, 2014 at 01:16:34 PM PDT

  •  RIP James Brady (11+ / 0-)
    Brady joined Reagan’s campaign as director of public affairs and research. There, his irrepressible wit made him popular with the press, but not necessarily with the Reaganites.

    He once ran through the Reagan campaign plane shouting “Killer Trees! Killer Trees!” as the aircraft flew over a forest fire. It was a jab at his own candidate’s claim in a speech that trees cause as much pollution as cars.

    Warning - some snark may be above‽ (-9.50; -7.03)‽ eState4Column5©2013 "If we appear to seek the unattainable, then let it be known that we do so to avoid the unimaginable." (@eState4Column5)

    by annieli on Wed Aug 06, 2014 at 01:32:13 PM PDT

  •  Plus, screw the west coast (4+ / 0-)

    I remember a few years back during the dark ages of the previous president whose name I will not write - the Repugs wanted to remove our local borate bomber aircraft and move it an hour away - we are in the heart of one of the most diverse forests on earth and to save a couple bucks, these worthies decided we didn't need our very own aircraft at the airport.
    -Oregonian

    It is in the admission of ignorance and the admission of uncertainty that there is a hope for the continuous motion of human beings in some direction that doesn't get confined, permanently blocked, as it has so many times before... Richard P. Feynman

    by TerryDarc on Wed Aug 06, 2014 at 01:33:21 PM PDT

  •  If there's one thing I realize as I get older, (9+ / 0-)

    Republicans are very destructive.  Seriously.  We have to fight them at every turn in order to protect this planet and the people living on it.  Very sad bunch.

    The GOP will destroy anything they can't own.

    by AnnieR on Wed Aug 06, 2014 at 01:37:06 PM PDT

  •  This is sickening, heart-wrenching (4+ / 0-)
    Recommended by:
    side pocket, hbk, RMForbes, Calamity Jean

    It's like a "Dark Lord Sauron" is somewhere hovering around his dark lords in congress and in agencies poisoning their minds, with all of them bent on destroying everything good about life and the living.

    I would rather spend my life searching for truth than live a single day within the comfort of a lie. ~ John Victor Ramses

    by KayCeSF on Wed Aug 06, 2014 at 01:38:47 PM PDT

  •  And... (5+ / 0-)

    ...if we killed more animals we wouldn't have to worry about mass extinctions.

    I'm not always political, but when I am I vote Democratic. Stay Democratic, my friends. -The Most Interesting Man in the World

    by boran2 on Wed Aug 06, 2014 at 01:38:55 PM PDT

  •  Republicans prove once again (7+ / 0-)

    they did not build it, they burned it down.  No wonder they were so pissed off at Senator Warren when she spoke of building the infrastructure.  Thanks for showing this this as proof positive.

  •  why aren't democrats talking about repubs (4+ / 0-)
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    tidalwave1, hbk, RainyDay, Calamity Jean

    failure to fund these programs.

    •  Good question. Democrats campaigning (1+ / 0-)
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      JeffW

      this fall in fire-ravaged areas absolutely must mention it.  This would be especially important in unburnt areas near where the fires are this year.  

      Democratic incumbent: "I voted for more money for firefighting, but the Republicans voted it down.  When the fires come next year, will my Republican opponent vote to help you fight fires, or will s/he vote with his/her party?"

      Democratic challenger:  "Your current Congress(wo)man voted against more money for firefighting.  If I'm elected, I will vote to give you the firefighting money you need when you need it."

      If Congress coughs up some fire money later this year, just tag "At the beginning of August" to the beginning of the first sentence for each candidate.  

      Honestly, this is too freaking easy.  Between firefighting money and minimum wage increase we ought to be able to get a big majority in the House.  

      "My country, right or wrong; if right, to be kept right; and if wrong, to be set right." -- Sen Carl Schurz 1872

      by Calamity Jean on Thu Aug 07, 2014 at 12:56:10 PM PDT

      [ Parent ]

  •  Stupid & evil Rs is why we don't have (6+ / 0-)

    nice things.

    They're so stupid & evil.

    I voted Tuesday, May 6, 2014 because it is my right, my responsibility and because my parents moved from Alabama to Ohio to vote. Unfortunately, the republicons want to turn Ohio into Alabama.

    by a2nite on Wed Aug 06, 2014 at 01:46:52 PM PDT

  •  Republicans still manage (5+ / 0-)

    to be consistently horrible in everything they think, do and say when it comes to privatizing profits, undermining the public good and destroying the environment.

    Why yes, cut down every tree from coast to coast and prevent forest fires.  Except scrub and weeds burns and houses will burn as fire sweeps rapidly across the cut areas to the subdivisions built where they never should have been,  we will lose even more carbon sinks and we'll die sooner as a species.   Why don't we just scrub the face of the planet of all top soil while we are at it instead of a haphazard runoff pattern once the trees are removed.

  •  Don't want to have to... (7+ / 0-)

    experience painful, expensive root canals and other forms of dental work?
    Just have all of your teeth extracted.

    --snark off--

    "These 'Yet To Be' United States" --James Baldwin--

    by kevinbr38 on Wed Aug 06, 2014 at 01:52:16 PM PDT

  •  Sec of Ag should just fund firefighting from other (4+ / 0-)

    USDA departments.

    A pandemic e-coli might get people's attention.

    © grover


    So if you get hit by a bus tonight, would you be satisfied with how you spent today, your last day on earth? Live like tomorrow is never guaranteed, because it's not. -- Me.

    by grover on Wed Aug 06, 2014 at 01:53:38 PM PDT

  •   the Forest Service Park Service and FWs should (1+ / 0-)
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    Senor Unoball

    all be in the same department-Conservation and get equal budgets- say 20 billion each/ then there would be enough money to fight fiorest fires and create new refuges forests , monuments and parks. the Forest Service has a budget twice as big as the park Service and nearly 3 times that of the FWS.

  •  This is a story with tragic potential (5+ / 0-)

    outcome.

    I hope there is an executive order the Prez can sign to make sure fire-fighting can stay as functional as it normally is.  This with the understanding that fires are a naturally occurring phenomenon in forests, and with what we understand today, "put it out at all costs" is not necessarily the best environmental approach.  However, with no additional information whatsoever, I would opine that 30 forest fires is a bit much to handle, and my hopes and prayers are with the fire-fighters.

    Seasoned, experienced and conscious heads definitely need to be those making the decisions, NOT the $(#&%^%^ Republican members of Congress. (!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!)

    How children dance to the unlived lives of their parents. Rilke

    by ceebee7 on Wed Aug 06, 2014 at 02:10:10 PM PDT

  •  Insurance is regulated by the STATES (0+ / 0-)

    Insurance requirements for RAILROAD CARRIERS is regulated by each STATE, not the Federal Government.  This is in contrast to the nuclear power industry.
    There seems to be no reason that a higher insurance limit could not be required for carriers of "high risk" cargo.
    But perhaps the transportation of shale oil by rail makes no economic sense unless the POTENTIAL COST of paying for a disaster is ignored.  Ignoring this cost is a form of fraud which is not excusable.  State Insurance Commissioners are reluctant to obstruct the wishes of giant national corporations, but the issue of "insuring the risk" is understandable by the public, and is a good way to address the problem of RISK.

  •  Ugh this is not good news (6+ / 0-)

    The drought here in southern California is pretty bad right now and the fire problem is going to get worse before it gets better. I have seen many wildfires come through San Diego county over the years but this last time was especially scary. A dozen fires all over the city in a single day, some of which were arson. Nothing quite like feeling a supertanker fly 100ft over the roof of your house at 200mph! Here's some of my pictures from that incident:  

    What do you despise? By this you are truly known.

    by jamott on Wed Aug 06, 2014 at 02:14:10 PM PDT

  •  Thanks, Joan for doing this article. (5+ / 0-)

    It's breaking my heart. Uncontained fires.Update from Spokane, WA.

    August 6, 2014 Evacuations ordered for wildfires north of Keller

    More than 20 structures are threatened by a quartet of uncontained wildfires burning north of Keller, Washington.

    The Devil’s Elbow Complex wildfires have burned 900 acres and firefighters have yet to establish any containment Wednesday morning. Firefighters believe the blaze was touched off by lightning on Saturday and the Colville Confederated Tribal Police have ordered mandatory evacuations for those living in the San Poil Valley between Bridge Creek Road and Thirty Mile Road.

    We produce more renewable energy than any other state - WA Gov. Jay Inslee

    by mrobinson on Wed Aug 06, 2014 at 02:14:31 PM PDT

  •  The same legislators (5+ / 0-)

    would put on their little flag pins, jockey for a camera angle at a dead firefighters funeral and argle-bargle about the sacrifice of great Americans.

    What fresh hell is this? D. Parker

    by BetteNoir on Wed Aug 06, 2014 at 02:14:55 PM PDT

  •  These AZ legislators want to pull up (6+ / 0-)

    native Mesquite trees to save water, when the biggest water users are agriculture.

    Legislators should have to take a science test.

    It is ridiculous to pretend that firing teachers based on student test scores, starting charter schools, giving out vouchers or implementing merit pay will overcome the challenges facing a child living in poverty. -Jersey Jazzman

    by Desert Rose on Wed Aug 06, 2014 at 02:20:42 PM PDT

  •  Anyone hear news about vineyards? (2+ / 0-)
    Recommended by:
    Senor Unoball, Calamity Jean

    And orchards? Bad enough so many dead cows, dead pasture, but how to recover from burned apple orchards in Washington and vineyards in California, Oregon, and Washington?

    I can't find any news online that tells me if orchards and vineyards are in danger. I found an interview in an Ag Journal with a rancher. Looking for more news. Help!!!  

    We produce more renewable energy than any other state - WA Gov. Jay Inslee

    by mrobinson on Wed Aug 06, 2014 at 02:22:08 PM PDT

    •  Don't think so (1+ / 0-)
      Recommended by:
      happymisanthropy

      At least in California, the fires are in deeper mountain habitat, so might be cattle ranches if anything. They are certainly not in major vineyard areas such as in Napa or Sonoma counties. That's not to say that smaller vineyards are not affected, but I've not heard of anything like that.

      Unsure about Oregon or Washington.

      Any group with the word "Patriot" in its name, probably isn't.

      by Senor Unoball on Wed Aug 06, 2014 at 02:30:17 PM PDT

      [ Parent ]

  •  Little Deer Fire (5+ / 0-)

    We were driving south on Highway 97, in CA's Siskiyou County, last Friday while heading home from a few days at Crater Lake.

    Numerous lightning strikes last week in northern California and southern Oregon.

    Those storms led to this, and many others:
    Little Deer Fire, off of Highway 97 in Siskiyou County, 8/1/14

    The Little Deer Fire was quite close to a rest stop on the highway, and I believe closed the highway the next day or so. That entire mountain top was engulfed, all the way around.

    (As I noted in another diary, many of these storms are in land that would become part of the new state of Jefferson, if certain idiots get their way. Good luck fighting those fires without the resources of the State of California.....)

    Any group with the word "Patriot" in its name, probably isn't.

    by Senor Unoball on Wed Aug 06, 2014 at 02:27:21 PM PDT

  •  Rep. Paul Ryan says no (6+ / 0-)

    We're in a natural disaster, WA, OR, CA- in other words, the entire west coast of our country. Republicans can't see it and don't see us!

    The administration and some lawmakers have called for tapping the government’s fund for battling natural disasters such as hurricanes and tornadoes to pay for the most devastating forest fires. They say the change would not impact the government’s response to other types of disasters.

    The House Budget Committee, led by Rep. Paul Ryan, has said it would be better to work within existing spending caps to fully fund both the firefighting efforts and prevention work.

    Vilsack said it’s important to put the most devastating wildfires on par with other natural disasters. “And that’s what a forest fire started by lightning most definitely is,” Vilsack said.

    We produce more renewable energy than any other state - WA Gov. Jay Inslee

    by mrobinson on Wed Aug 06, 2014 at 02:30:37 PM PDT

  •  Politicization of Forest Fires (3+ / 0-)

    Republican congressmen claim that:

    "House Republicans also argue that a bill they passed last year requiring greater timber harvesting on federal lands could help reduce the amount of money needed for fire prevention efforts."

    It 'could' but it never has yet. Most federal timber sales go deficit nowadays. They cost more to clean up and replant than they generate in revenue to the treasury. They make a tidy profit for congressmen however, as sawmill owners send campaign finance money to their benefactors.

  •  Have Republicans... (2+ / 0-)
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    Schneewolfe, happymisanthropy

    even stopped pretending to govern now?

    Even worse, these same pennypinching teabaggers will be the first in front of the cameras, wringing their hands and weeping crocodile tears over the bodies of the next set of dead firefighters, just so they can dramatically beat their breasts and blame the President for their own failures.

  •  Thinning the forests is one of the few things that (1+ / 0-)
    Recommended by:
    Schneewolfe

    actually might help.

    Wildfires are as natural as flooding and drought, lightning and rain, heat waves and cold spells.

    "Fighting" these natural phenomenon only increases the fuel available for the next time a blaze gets started and increases the severity of the burn.

    Live wherever you please, but if you choose a floodplain or an area prone to fire, tornadoes, hurricanes or earthquakes you may want to heed the warnings and get out of the way when necessary.

    Fire is nature's way of cleaning up the refuse.

    BTW, wildfire/forestfire is at a historic low this year.

    Year-to-date statistics

    2014 (1/1/14 - 8/6/14)    Fires: 34,697    Acres: 1,798,190
    2013 (1/1/13 - 8/6/13)    Fires: 28,666    Acres: 2,494,700
    2012 (1/1/12 -8/6/12)    Fires: 38,870    Acres: 4,452,184
    2011 (1/1/11 - 8/6/11)    Fires: 47,729    Acres: 6,263,298
    2010 (1/1/10 - 8/6/10)    Fires: 38,467    Acres: 2,056,365
    2009 (1/1/09 - 8/6/09)    Fires: 58,749    Acres: 4,468,421
    2008 (1/1/08 - 8/6/08)    Fires: 54,921    Acres: 3,740,817
    2007 (1/1/07 - 8/6/07)    Fires: 58,089    Acres: 5,376,733
    2006 (1/1/06 - 8/6/06)    Fires: 72,556    Acres: 5,830,730
    2005 (1/1/05 - 8/6/05)    Fires: 39,621    Acres: 4,973,309
    2004 (1/1/04 - 8/6/04)    Fires: 49,993    Acres: 5,566,358
    Annual average prior 10 years
    2004-2013                    Fires: 48,766    Acres: 4,522,292
    http://www.nifc.gov/...

    Sorry alarmists.  

    •  Thanks for the info (3+ / 0-)

      but your tone seems pretty insensitive to me. When I was 15 almost every kid I grew up with lost their home in the Cedar fire. My family was very lucky to be just outside the damage path. So, you'll have to excuse me if I seem a bit alarmist about the fire situation in the west. Also, the data you have presented seems to be focused mainly on large unpopulated forests? I asked the google and apparently...

      "I have to tell you, it could have been a heck of a lot worse," he added. "If we were in more populated areas, there would have been greater losses."

      The drought made it harder for aerial fire crews to secure water to douse the flames of the last few days, fire officials said.

      The National Interagency Fire Center in Boise, Idaho said Tuesday that there have been fewer wildfires than usual across the nation so far this year and they have burned a combined area that is less than half the size of the 10-year average. In the West, however, it's a different story.

      In Oregon and Washington, the number of fires is running 15 percent above average and they have consumed nearly three times as much land.

      The number of wildfires in Northern California is at 123 percent of average, but the amount of acreage left blackened is almost half of the decade average since many of the blazes have been small.

      In Southern California, where the worst fires typically come with the fall Santa Ana winds, the number of fires has been just under average and the number of acres burned two-thirds below average.

      The fire center predicted this month that given the record dry fuels on forest floors and no significant rain in the forecast, the potential for significant fires will remain high in California, Oregon and Washington though at least September. But drought, or the absence of it, is only one of the factors that drives destructive fires, spokesman Mike Ferris said.

      "The stage is set for large, intense wildfires in many areas due to long-term factors, such as climate change, hazardous fuel buildups, insect and disease outbreaks, invasive species infestations, and drought," Ferris said. "When short-term weather conditions come into play - such as above-average temperatures, low relative humidities, high winds, and lightning, we can expect to see extreme fire behavior."

      Read more here: http://www.thestate.com/...

      To be fair I don't know how accurate that source is but seems like accurate information to me.
      /shrug

      What do you despise? By this you are truly known.

      by jamott on Wed Aug 06, 2014 at 03:01:32 PM PDT

      [ Parent ]

    •  and the thinning budget (0+ / 0-)

      is what's gonna be raided to pay for containment.

  •  Warning: NE Oregon, SW Washington (2+ / 0-)
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    Senor Unoball, dewley notid

    Aug 6th

    The National Weather Service issued a "red flag warning" for northeast Oregon and southeast Washington state on Wednesday, indicating new wildfires are likely to spark and spread quickly in the region.

    In Oregon alone, firefighters are battling a dozen wildfires across 90,000 acres, according to the National Wildfire Coordinating Group. Some 300 structures are threatened, numerous public lands are closed, and a major power transmission line to Idaho lies in the path of one of the fires.

    We produce more renewable energy than any other state - WA Gov. Jay Inslee

    by mrobinson on Wed Aug 06, 2014 at 02:43:44 PM PDT

  •  Hypocracy (1+ / 0-)
    Recommended by:
    Schneewolfe

    The GOP base are stupid and paranoid. They are so paranoid that they can not see they are being scammed, taken for a ride, by the shysters 1%. They have had their wages frozen and they blame to poor; they complain about taxes and vote for those give huge exemptions to the uber-wealthy. They believe that the refugees from Central American are going to corrupt the country. They hate the n...s and wet backs, but don't realize that they are also the target of the 1%. They continue to believe they they know where the pea is vs the Wall Street Three Card Monte players.

     "First they came for the Liberal and I did not speak out—
        Because I was not a Liberal.
        Then they came for the poor, and I did not speak out—
        Because I was not poor.
        Then they came for those of color, and I did not speak out—
        Because I was not of color.
        Then they came for the Trade Unionists, and I did not speak out—
        Because I was not a Trade Unionist.
        Then they came for me—and there was no one left to speak for me."
    with deference to Martin Niemöller

  •  Pubbies think like this ............ (1+ / 0-)
    Recommended by:
    Calamity Jean

    once a forest fire destroys everything, there is no need to worry about another forest fire in the same place for a long time so you save money on fire prevention and fire fighting if there is nothing left to burn.

  •  Since when do they care about.... (2+ / 0-)
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    happymisanthropy, Calamity Jean

    ....the science of ANYTHING?  

  •   Real vs imaginary (3+ / 0-)

    Let's see - millions of acres burned, thousands of structures destroyed, and some number of deaths every year from forest fires - nope, not a threat worth spending much on.    They'd much rather spend hundreds of billions (at least) on a bunch of macho F35 fighters that will combat what, exactly?

    What on earth is causing so much of humanity to behave this way? Really, is it some as yet undetected virus or parasite?    Like toxoplasmosis?    

  •  It is zero percent contained.... (1+ / 0-)
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    dewley notid

    I don't like to read "zero percent contained." It gives me a very bad feeling.

    Photos

    Busy crews in the Northwest attacked nearly 50 new fires in the past 24 hours as some other blazes grew.

    Only one of the new wildfires spread. Located east of La Grande, the Katy Mountain fire ran through 100 acres of timbered country, with flames torching trees and flashing across the terrain. It is zero percent contained....

    http://www.oregonlive.com/...
    Pushed along by high winds and powered by ultra-dry fuels, the Rowena fire is threatening homes as it powers east towards The Dalles Wednesday. Helicopters flew and dropped water on the fire, as air tankers laid down retardant. Structural fire teams were dispatched to check the fire’s advance outside homes and other structures. Stuart Tomlinson/The Oregonian.
    photos:

    http://www.oregonlive.com/...

    We produce more renewable energy than any other state - WA Gov. Jay Inslee

    by mrobinson on Wed Aug 06, 2014 at 03:07:04 PM PDT

  •  sdfnkl;fdsakjl;dfas (2+ / 0-)
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    dewley notid, Calamity Jean

    Wouldn't cutting down trees just make it worse? At least in the long run. You know, the whole climate change thing. Besides, things other than trees can catch fire, too. Like grass.

  •  Fucking nihilists nt (1+ / 0-)
    Recommended by:
    Calamity Jean
  •  Cutting down the trees (2+ / 0-)
    Recommended by:
    dewley notid, Calamity Jean

    is what creates the fire hazard in the first place.  Go outside and find the tallest conifer in your neighborhood.  Stand at the base of the tree and look up.  If that tree was logged, everything you're looking at except the trunk of the tree is left on the ground to dry out and become potential fuel.  Multiply the amount of vegetation you're looking at by the thousands of logged trees on a typical clearcut and that explains why our forests are tinderboxes.

    BTW, the situation on corporate-owned forests is almost certainly worse than it is on National Forests, BLM, and State forests.

  •  Have you ever tried to move a fracking rig thro... (1+ / 0-)
    Recommended by:
    Calamity Jean

    Have you ever tried to move a fracking rig through a forest?

  •  Except it would probably cost more to cut down ... (0+ / 0-)

    Except it would probably cost more to cut down the tress than to fight the fires.

  •  I found the ranchers stories (1+ / 0-)
    Recommended by:
    Calamity Jean

    First hand accounts I was seeking online today.
    http://www.capitalpress.com/...
    Ranchers begin long road to recovery

    August 5, 2014

    “Entire ecosystems are disrupted. Huge, green sponges for carbon absorption just torched,” Gebbers said. “There is no doubt that a new diverse environment will develop in the aftermath of these fire but the beautiful forested valleys and ridges of the lower Methow and Okanogan, that we have all become accustom to, are gone in most areas.”
    He estimated “a few hundred acres of tree fruit orchards” are damaged as fire singed their edges and, in places, burned several rows deep.
    Gebbers said 232 of his cattle died and 55 are missing.
    “It literally tears at your heart to see such carnage. These are cattle that you know from years of caring for them. Some of the best bulls and genetics, just gone,” he said.

    We produce more renewable energy than any other state - WA Gov. Jay Inslee

    by mrobinson on Wed Aug 06, 2014 at 07:21:57 PM PDT

  •  Why care about others (0+ / 0-)

    This is the Mantra of the right wing crazy folk.  If it were their property or their their family was involved in this work arena talk would be different.  Heck with the trees,property and life.  This is why everyone must vote the bums out.

  •  Fires & ryan and an incomplete & lousey Buget. (0+ / 0-)

    Natural disasters and forest fires should already have enough funds. It is called a good budget.

    Let him go talk to the people involved and say The USA will not pay for it.

    Offsetting cost just means someone else lost funds and citizens will lose their  job because of it!

    A synthesizer can create any instrument made and others that have not be created yet.

    by RSGmusic on Sat Aug 09, 2014 at 03:13:57 PM PDT

  •  Simply stunning myopia (0+ / 0-)

    Once again, the GOP charts new territory when it comes to shortsightedness, and penny wisdom and pound foolishness.  Ironically enough, it's usually served with a heavy helping of sanctimonious preaching about "fiscal responsibility".

    Lord, spare us from the incompetence of these idiots.

    All that is necessary for the triumph of the Right is that progressives do nothing.

    by Mystic Michael on Sun Aug 10, 2014 at 08:21:50 PM PDT

  •  Only One Solution Left (0+ / 0-)

    The Comprehensive Solution:  Cut Down & Burn Off all the Republicans in Congress!

    "... all things for which you pray and ask, believe that you have received them, and they will be granted you." --Mark 11:24

    by november3rd on Mon Aug 11, 2014 at 07:02:16 AM PDT

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