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My Congressman and the Saturday Morning Massacre

Wed Jul 16, 2008 at 04:48:44 PM PDT

The original version of this essay contained a huge number of references.  Check on georgefearing.com in the near future for the annotated version.

The Speaker of the United States House of Representatives rarely presides over proceedings in the House chambers, but instead delegates this prerogative to a Member of the same political party. In the early morning of November 22, 2003, House Speaker Dennis Hastert delegated his presiding officer role to a loyal attendant, my congressman, Doc Hastings.

At exactly 3 a.m., Saturday, November 22, 2003, Richard "Doc" Hastings (R-WA), presiding over the House of Representatives, announced that time for debate on President Bush's Medicare Prescription Drug, Improvement and Modernization Act had expired. "Members will have 15 minutes to record their votes," Hastings declared. Nevertheless, Hastings’’ forecast missed the mark as Hastings reneged on his deadline and delayed the vote’s ending so that Republican leadership could manipulate votes.

At the end of fifteen minutes, the vote was 210 in favor and 224 opposed to the Medicare drug bill. 17 Republicans voted to defeat the measure. Hastings, at the prompting of Republican leaders, refused to end the vote, however.

Actions, not words

Thu Jul 10, 2008 at 05:25:54 PM PDT

Dear Democratic "Leaders,"

I hereby pledge, from now until the end, that I will base my judgements on actions and not words. When words and actions do not agree, it will be the actions on which I base my decisions.

The Steny Hoyer Rebelion

Wed Jul 09, 2008 at 01:18:21 PM PDT

The grassroots rebelion which organized around Ned Lamont was a thing of beauty.  It is time for another netroot rebelion.  
I have made so many phone calls regarding FISA that I lost count.  The fake Democrats are counting on us to forget their votes by the time they are up for re-election and most of us probably will forget. Mentally we will move on to outrage over the next Right that they sell off to the highest bidder.  Today's FISA vote is so wrong.  Everyone who voted against the immunity amendments needs to be removed.... but as the ringleader Steny Hoyer should be the first target.  We cannot wait for the next primary.  

Why aren't we blaming Nancy and Steny?

Sat Jul 05, 2008 at 04:07:00 PM PDT

It seems like a lot of the anger over FISA is being directed at our nominee rather than the House of Representatives where this piece of "legislation" was spawned.

The last time I looked, we were a Party, not one person. Why on earth didn't the House (which has a pretty good-sized majority of Democrats) have the back of our candidate so that he would not be set up to be attacked for his stand on FISA?

He is only one person. He alone cannot stop this awful bill and his voting against it would be a gift to the republicans that would keep on giving.

But some are acting like this is all his fault or that he can fix it by himself.

Bullies Like It

Sat Jun 28, 2008 at 09:22:51 AM PDT

[Cross-posted at The Left Coaster.]

However much I am displeased with the agenda and behavior of Senator Barack Obama at times there is no doubt that, in his way, he seeks progressive incremental solutions is a classic liberal governance worldview.  The "new" in this framework is the Millennial Generation agenda, devoid of Vietnam and Watergate and raging cultural tactics based upon sexism and racism, but more critically in my mind is absent fear as a motivating tactic.

Senator John McCain, however, is a classic right-wing authoritarian, as outlined so brilliantly by the incomparable Sarah Robinson of The Big Con.  Authoritarian intellectual structures inherently defy change, the Republican Party is full of big oil interests who won’t even acknowledge global warming, for instance, let alone help to solve it.  These general characteristics alone garner an instant vote for Senator Barack Obama, irrespective of any other single variable.

Help Find Stenchy a Dance Partner (MD-05)

Fri Jun 27, 2008 at 06:56:14 PM PDT

As Kos recently pointed out, a number of old stale Democrats were responsible for the passage of FISA, and he proposed mounting a slate of netroots challengers to take them on in the 2010 primaries. Yesterday I made the case for Kos taking on Speaker Nancy Pelosi (CA-08) in her San Francisco district, personally.

Here, in the Washington, D.C. metro area, Rep. Steny Hoyer (MD-05) has been taking up space in Congress since 1981.  In the heavily Democratic fifth district of Maryland, it is unlikely that a GOP challenger can dislodge him.  Any effort to remove FISA Champion Hoyer from Congress will depend on the strength of a Democratic primary challenger.

In November, following the general election, will be an effort to recruit a suitable challenger for Mr. Hoyer, one with a robust familiarity with the digital environment and other emerging tech, who can appeal to Progressive, Libertarian, and Constitutionalist sentiments alike. An 'Agent of Change' - from the netroots to Congress.

Please add your input and participation in such an effort. (more)

Poll

As Democratic Majority Leader in the U.S. House, Rep. Hoyer

12%3 votes
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| 24 votes | Vote | Results

We have met Sistah Soulja, and she is us

Thu Jun 26, 2008 at 11:34:52 AM PDT

I've been wrestling with Obama's decision to side with the compromise/capitulation side of the FISA debate.

It's not just that I disagree with it personally (see Something the Dog Said's diary, which states better than I could why I don't expect Obama to march in lockstep with every position I hold) it's that I don't understand the politics of it, from a purely pragmatic perspective.

Actually, scratch that. I think I understand it all too well. I just don't like the implications.

More below.

The Democrats and FISA: Flushing The Law, Then Declaring Victory

Wed Jun 25, 2008 at 06:45:23 AM PDT

The Politico, via Greenwald:

In an interview with Politico on Monday, Hoyer called the FISA legislation a "significant victory" for the Democratic Party -- one that neutralized an issue Republicans might have been able to use against Democrats in November while still, in his view, protecting the civil liberties of American citizens.

Call me old fashioned, but I'm suspicious about anything "protects" the civil liberties of American citizens by acknowledging that those civil liberties were being violated -- then declaring amnesty for those acts. Or by protecting those civil liberties by granting that they can be taken from you using secret evidence, presented secretly, banning review, explicitly banning judicial leeway to determine whether laws were violated, or civil liberties infringed upon, or to determine anything at all but whether the administration said it was OK to do the thing in question. Oh -- and that evidence is to be presented by the same people who broke the law in the first place, of course.

Yeah, that sounds pretty robust, all right. I feel better already.

It's not even that Steny Hoyer is merely bullshitting on this one, it appears that he and many other Democrats -- Rockefeller, the Blue Dog administration apologists, and others -- just really, really don't give a damn. It's been clear from the outset of this latest push that Hoyer, Rockefeller and others were going to ram corporate immunity through regardless of the consequences, and find a way to make the rest of the Bush administration's ongoing actions legal as well. It's also been clear that Speaker Pelosi wasn't going to do squat about it, and new party leader Obama wasn't going to do squat about it, and if history is any guide the next step is going to be the world's shortest filibuster as the few sensible voices on this we have left, Dodd and Feingold, receive absolutely no substantive support from the wide phalanx of Democrats who are terribly, terribly concerned about the notion of making the illegal legal and sweeping everything under the "Bush can do whatever he wants" magic toupee, but not concerned enough to do anything but issuing a concerned statement and voting for the damn thing anyway.

You know, so the issue of whether or not the President of the United States told a bunch of companies to break the law on his say-so can be "neutralized" before the November elections. God forbid the Democrats have to be saddled with that.


This is precisely the problem with Democratic "strategy" over the last ten years -- it relies on capitulation as defining theme. Democrats are called weak, and to a large extent that is absolutely true: the Democrats may have an agenda, but whatever it is is subsumed under the banner of "well, sure, but I suppose doing the exact opposite couldn't hurt. We wouldn't want to be seen as obstructionist."

And so even when laws are broken, the response is to issue a do-over and pretend the whole thing is now fine. Congress can subpoena people 'til the cows come home -- they won't actually enforce any of them. The Democrats can rail against the illegal activities of the administration on a daily basis -- but in the end, they'll apparently offer blanket fracking immunity as the "compromise" for maybe-please-if-you-could-please-follow-the-law-this-time-please "new" legislation. In fact, we can't even be that bold -- we have to rewrite the law to make the illegal thing legal going forward, too.

And still, people like Hoyer, and Pelosi, and Emanuel, and yes, even Obama (I don't care if he's the presidential nominee or not, if he issues statements that presume his constituents are fools) paint this complete, multi-tiered collapse as something noble, and necessary, and (for the love of pete) hard-won. That is perhaps the greatest insult: the Democrats have adopted the very Republican position of presuming that if they just pretend that something is true, people will believe them.


The result? In addition to effectively nullifying all possibility of we poor fools in the public ever being allowed to know whether we were among those that were illegally surveilled, we are now poised to legalize the longtime Holy Grail of Bush administration domestic espionage -- secret warrantless data collection on a massive scale. The premise is that data gathered electronically, as opposed to other means, is immune from Fourth Amendment protections merely by virtue of it being electronic. I am not sure what laws of physics mandate this difference, but there it is -- paper, protected; the same information in an electronic stream, not protected. Ironically, if the internet really was a series of tubes, our representatives would be able to suss out the issues of prying open every single message in a certain pipe just to see if one or two might be interesting. Once you get electricity involved, though -- forget it. You'll never get the Steny Hoyers of the world to grasp that.

Here is the simplest possible way to put it, however crude it may be: one notable difference between a democracy and a police state is that in a democracy, your government cannot spy on you unless they suspect you are committing a crime. In a police state, they simply monitor you "preemptively", then decide whether you've committed a crime.

I'm not sure why I ever expected United States Congressmen to be able to grasp the difference; naiveté on my part, I suppose. And I do not think we are devolving into a police state, but if we place political advantage (the November elections!) over accountability, we are perhaps something less than a democracy.

Killing the whole bill and starting over, yet again, would be a fine thing. Personally, I would settle for the rather obvious notion of removing the asinine immunity for past crimes from the bill. I am well used to the Bush administration, the Republican Congress, and now the Democratic Congress being completely incapable of policing itself or respecting protected American rights (after all, we've entertained the notion that the President of the United States can actually strip the citizenship of an American from them, merely on his own say-so), but without the immunity protections, we poor saps in the public would still have some mechanism, however meager, for finding out how extensive past illegal activity has been and forcing, if necessary, the Constitutional implications to be addressed.

I don't expect even that to happen. If there is one thing the Democratic House and Senate has done expertly, the last few years, it is the expert abandonment of principles whenever they are faced with threats by the administration or the Republicans. Such is the scene for the "reform" of FISA. It was instituted as response to the abusive acts of Watergate; now that another President has been found violating those protections, the response by our current Democrats is to immunize the involved parties, and to make the violations legal going forward. And we're supposed to applaud it all as a tough compromise with the lawbreakers.

Clearly, a true profile in courage.

Repub candidate for congress praises Pelosi, Hoyer on FISA w/poll

Wed Jun 25, 2008 at 04:18:06 AM PDT

Steve Hudson, a Republican candidate for Maryland's 8th District, kicked off his campaign with praise for the bipartisan efforts of the Speaker and the Majority Leader of the House. Subject: FISA. Target: Representative Chris van Hollen.

Poll

Is this the kind of bipartisanship we need?

8%3 votes
91%32 votes

| 35 votes | Vote | Results

Hoyer and Rockefeller win prestigious conservative awards

Tue Jun 24, 2008 at 08:11:32 PM PDT

I'm live-blogging this evening from the prestigious Heritage Foundation Annual Democrat Capitulator Awards in Washington, DC.  Every year conservatives gather to heap praise upon those Democrats who are willing to compromise and work across the aisle with their fellow Republicans.  Of course, the dirty little secret that everyone in the room knows is that conservatives never given in, it's the Democrats always who cave in.

This evening they are honoring Steny Hoyer, the Democrat Majority Leader in the House and Jay Rockefeller, lead Democrat who pushed hardest for Bush and Cheney's FISA bill.  

How the Battle was Lost

Tue Jun 24, 2008 at 03:31:46 PM PDT

One thing Progressives have constantly been up in arms about since we helped the Democrats win back Congress in 2006 is the FISA fight. Many of us think that this bill was completely unneccesary, and that it was a bad idea. It wasn't that we needed new, broad ranging powers for the Federal Government to keep us safe, we just needed a competent administration in place to use laws already in place to protect us. That is what failed us on that terrible day of 9-11-01.

If Obama is all powerful, why can't he control the Blue Dogs?

Tue Jun 24, 2008 at 08:21:57 AM PDT

According to some folk, as "party leader" Barack Obama supposedly controls every move of every Democratic elected official — which means that he allegedly has the power to stop the FISA bill all by himself, without a filibuster, by leaning on the Senate versions of the swing-district Blue Dog House members that voted for the FISA bill, telco immunity and all — and that he even could have ordered House members around to stop the bill. If he’s so all-powerful, how come several conservative Democrats like Florida’s Tim Mahoney still won’t endorse him even after Hillary quit the race?  

Poll

Is it silly to expect Barack Obama (or Hillary Clinton) to have magical politician-influencing powers by virtue of being the likely Democratic presidential nominee?

66%57 votes
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1%1 votes
1%1 votes
2%2 votes
2%2 votes
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| 86 votes | Vote | Results

FISA and the Dems

Mon Jun 23, 2008 at 05:18:48 PM PDT

... I'm all for challenging Steny Hoyer's leadership position, and Harry Reid is terribly ineffective, but failure by the Congressional Democrats to oust them really shouldn't be what we base our support of the Democratic Party on.

I think this is a good impulse applied incorrectly. To make a somewhat bold claim I think actions like FISA bill should never make us question are support of the Democratic party, so long as the Republican party continues to be so much worse.

Telecom Companies Get Immunity, Congress Gets New iPhones

Mon Jun 23, 2008 at 06:49:49 AM PDT

Fake news from www.richieville.com

Telecom Companies Get Wiretap Immunity
Congress To Get Free iPhones, Extra Minutes

Richieville News Service-WASHINGTON, D.C.
In a striking victory for President Bush, the House of Representatives on Friday passed a bill that would give telecommunications companies immunity for their participation in the administration's warrentless wiretapping program. In return, each member of Congress will receive one of the new generation of Apple iPhones.

McCain, Nancy and Steny Defend Lobbyist

Sun Jun 22, 2008 at 08:27:35 PM PDT

Finally we have a House working in bipartisan for the better of the people. When they make up their minds, they can do their job in 30 minutes. Wow!  The revision to the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act (FISA) passed by the House. It  includes immunity for telephone companies that aided President Bush's warrantless wiretapping program after Sept. 11.

McCain, Nancy and Steny. Steny, Nancy, McCain.  United at last. Finally working together. What friends.

But did you know...

FISA and the Limits of Transcendence

Sun Jun 22, 2008 at 12:48:53 PM PDT

Amid our anger at Pelosi and Hoyer, most of us are dissappointed at the lack of leadership shown during the FISA mess by our Presidential nominee, Barack Obama.  As others have pointed out, this bill could not have passed the House, could not even have come to the floor, without Obama's tacit approval.

Given the clear nonsense spouted by Pelosi and others in support of this travesty, one wonders what led these intelligent people to work so hard to make such a blunder, and why a presidential candidate believed to be "transcendent" by his supporters (me included), would go along with it.

Vote Nancy and Steny Out (with poll)

Sun Jun 22, 2008 at 10:03:55 AM PDT

That would be a simple way to demonstrate to the ‘Democratic’ Congresscritters who voted for the FISA ‘compromise’ that they need to represent the people in their districts and not the interests of the Bush Junta and corporations.  

Nancy and Steny are in safe Democratic seats.  In a year when the Democrats are likely to grow their majority in the House voting these two ‘leaders’ out has benefits beyond sending a message.  

First there would be new leadership in the House.  I couldn’t expect it to be much worse than these two.  With the shock of their defeats, House Democrats would hopefully vote in a more progressive leadership.

Fox News released a poll on Friday.  More Republicans (23%) approve of the job this Democratic Congress is doing than Democrats (18%).  

Poll

Voting Nancy and Steny out of office

84%238 votes
15%45 votes

| 283 votes | Vote | Results

Say No to Capitulation

Sun Jun 22, 2008 at 06:46:45 AM PDT

I admit I always had my doubts about Obama. Many of us in this community shared those doubts early on because of his apparent penchant for easy-to-swallow, cliched slogans over substance, matched with an apparent unwillingness to ever show any true leadership on the two most important issues of the day: (1) continuing funding for the war in Iraq (vs. cheap talk of ending it after the election) and (2) the systematic undermining of the Constitution by the Bush administration and the dramatic need to reverse it and hold the villains accountable.


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