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Here's to hope

Wed Nov 03, 2004 at 11:05:50 AM PDT

From the future of our party, Barack Obama:
I stand here today, grateful for the diversity of my heritage, aware that my parents' dreams live on in my precious daughters. I stand here knowing that my story is part of the larger American story, that I owe a debt to all of those who came before me, and that, in no other country on earth, is my story even possible. Tonight, we gather to affirm the greatness of our nation, not because of the height of our skyscrapers, or the power of our military, or the size of our economy. Our pride is based on a very simple premise, summed up in a declaration made over two hundred years ago, "We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal. That they are endowed by their Creator with certain inalienable rights. That among these are life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness."

That is the true genius of America, a faith in the simple dreams of its people, the insistence on small miracles. That we can tuck in our children at night and know they are fed and clothed and safe from harm. That we can say what we think, write what we think, without hearing a sudden knock on the door. That we can have an idea and start our own business without paying a bribe or hiring somebody's son. That we can participate in the political process without fear of retribution, and that our votes will be counted--or at least, most of the time.

This year, in this election, we are called to reaffirm our values and commitments, to hold them against a hard reality and see how we are measuring up, to the legacy of our forbearers, and the promise of future generations. And fellow Americans--Democrats, Republicans, Independents--I say to you tonight: we have more work to do. More to do for the workers I met in Galesburg, Illinois, who are losing their union jobs at the Maytag plant that's moving to Mexico, and now are having to compete with their own children for jobs that pay seven bucks an hour. More to do for the father I met who was losing his job and choking back tears, wondering how he would pay $4,500 a month for the drugs his son needs without the health benefits he counted on. More to do for the young woman in East St. Louis, and thousands more like her, who has the grades, has the drive, has the will, but doesn't have the money to go to college.

Don't get me wrong. The people I meet in small towns and big cities, in diners and office parks, they don't expect government to solve all their problems. They know they have to work hard to get ahead and they want to. Go into the collar counties around Chicago, and people will tell you they don't want their tax money wasted by a welfare agency or the Pentagon. Go into any inner city neighborhood, and folks will tell you that government alone can't teach kids to learn. They know that parents have to parent, that children can't achieve unless we raise their expectations and turn off the television sets and eradicate the slander that says a black youth with a book is acting white. No, people don't expect government to solve all their problems. But they sense, deep in their bones, that with just a change in priorities, we can make sure that every child in America has a decent shot at life, and that the doors of opportunity remain open to all. They know we can do better. And they want that choice [...]

A belief that we are connected as one people. If there's a child on the south side of Chicago who can't read, that matters to me, even if it's not my child. If there's a senior citizen somewhere who can't pay for her prescription and has to choose between medicine and the rent, that makes my life poorer, even if it's not my grandmother. If there's an Arab American family being rounded up without benefit of an attorney or due process, that threatens my civil liberties. It's that fundamental belief--I am my brother's keeper, I am my sisters' keeper--that makes this country work. It's what allows us to pursue our individual dreams, yet still come together as a single American family. "E pluribus unum." Out of many, one.

Yet even as we speak, there are those who are preparing to divide us, the spin masters and negative ad peddlers who embrace the politics of anything goes. Well, I say to them tonight, there's not a liberal America and a conservative America--there's the United States of America. There's not a black America and white America and Latino America and Asian America; there's the United States of America. The pundits like to slice-and-dice our country into Red States and Blue States; Red States for Republicans, Blue States for Democrats. But I've got news for them, too. We worship an awesome God in the Blue States, and we don't like federal agents poking around our libraries in the Red States. We coach Little League in the Blue States and have gay friends in the Red States. There are patriots who opposed the war in Iraq and patriots who supported it. We are one people, all of us pledging allegiance to the stars and stripes, all of us defending the United States of America [...]

In the end, that is God's greatest gift to us, the bedrock of this nation; the belief in things not seen; the belief that there are better days ahead. I believe we can give our middle class relief and provide working families with a road to opportunity. I believe we can provide jobs to the jobless, homes to the homeless, and reclaim young people in cities across America from violence and despair. I believe that as we stand on the crossroads of history, we can make the right choices, and meet the challenges that face us. America!

It's why we fought this year, and why we'll fight next year. And the year after that.

You can read the full speech here, or watch the speech here.

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  •  Thanks for the reminder (none / 0)

    This speech gives me chills and the courage to soldier on.
    •  Anyone (none / 1)

      here who thinks that John Kerry lost this election doesn't know a thing about electoral fraud. I am from a country where voter fraud is an art and I can tell you that the election ONCE AGAIN WAS STOLEN. Sadly, this won't be the last time. I volunteered for KE04 in Pennsylvania only because I knew that with Ed Rendell as governor, GOP fraud will be minimal. I did not donate money to the DNC because they allowed touchscreen voting and I did not trust them to fight fraud aggressively. Until you guys minimize the fraud or outplay them, you will probably die without seeing a dem in the WH.

      Second, we will be hearing from Osama. Sadly.

      Man is the measure of all things. Of things that are that they are; of things that are not, that they are not. - Protagoras (ca. 380 BC)

      by ManIstheMeasure on Wed Nov 03, 2004 at 11:19:29 AM PDT

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      •  Yes, fraud is a problem (none / 0)

        Whether or not Kerry would've won in a completely clean and fair election, we have to protest all of the problems that did occur.

        We have to make a big deal out of all of the missing absentee ballots, horribly understaffed polls, machines with no verifiable paper trail -- or we'll see the same thing next time.

        Sorry to keep plugging my diary on the topic, but I think this is something we need to jump on NOW, or we'll lose the momentum we need to get this fixed by 2006. Write LTEs and keep talking this up on blogs.

    •  Four years to tear him down (none / 0)

      <sarcasm>

      Now, why would I be so cynical to think that the Goopers have four years to tear Obama down? Can't be too hard. It's not like he's a decorated War Veteran or anything.

      Some people say he actually has sex, or something. Some people.

      </sarcasm>

      (Missouri 2nd Congressional District)

      The Universe is a big place ... perhaps the biggest. -Kilgore Trout

      by fugitive on Wed Nov 03, 2004 at 11:26:27 AM PDT

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  •  If it was good for Delta House... (none / 1)

    Words for us to remember in this continuing nightmare...

    "Over? Did you say "over"? Nothing is over until we decide it is! Was it over when the Germans bombed Pearl Harbor? Hell no!  And it ain't over now. 'Cause when the goin' gets tough... the tough get goin'! Who's with me? Let's go!"  - -

    John "Bluto" Blutarsky

    The Loyal Opposition lives.
    God Save America

    •  My sentiments exactly (none / 0)

      but maybe tomorrow or the next day. Don't forget winning this election through the ignorance, blindness, and stupidity of the people in this country does not make them any less liars and criminals.

      "My answer is: Bring 'em on. We got the force necessary to deal with the security situation." - George W. Bush, July 2, 2003

      by Eggman on Wed Nov 03, 2004 at 11:36:39 AM PDT

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    •  just put that quotation into my AIM profile (none / 0)

      thanks dude!

      -2.75, -3.90 -- Please don't eat the moderates.

      by iCaroline on Wed Nov 03, 2004 at 12:00:59 PM PDT

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    •  You do remember... (none / 0)

      That when Bluto ran out of the room after that speech,
      expecting the fraternity to follow,

      they didn't.

      •  Sure They Did... (none / 0)

        Eventually, after Otter spoke up in support.

        Bluto :
        What the fuck happened to the Delta I used to know? Where's the spirit? Where's the guts, huh? "Ooh, we're afraid to go with you Bluto, we might get in trouble." Well just KISS MY ASS FROM NOW ON! Not me! I'm not gonna take this. Wormer, he's a dead man! Marmalard, dead! Niedermeyer...

        Otter :
        Dead!

        Bluto's right. Psychotic, but absolutely right. We gotta take these bastards. Now we could do it with conventional weapons that could take years and cost millions of lives. No, I think we have to go all out. I think that this situation absolutely requires a really futile and stupid gesture be done on somebody's part.

        Bluto :
        We're just the guys to do it.

        D-Day :
        Let's do it.
        Bluto :
        LET'S DO IT!

        I disapprove of what you say, but I will defend to the death your right to say it.

        by JDRhoades on Wed Nov 03, 2004 at 01:02:23 PM PDT

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  •  wow (none / 0)

    It's going to be a pleasure and an honor to vote for that man for President in a few years.
    •  But, sadly, he won't win (none / 1)

      because America is far less ready to accept a nonwhite president than we had thought.

      - What happens on DailyKos, stays on Google.

      by Jon Meltzer on Wed Nov 03, 2004 at 11:07:12 AM PDT

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      •  Its not about nonwhite (none / 0)

        Barak has something special. You can find it in Bill Clinton and (believe it or not) in GWB. I'll give you three guesses at what it is.

        .............nope
        .............nope
        .............buzzz times up!

        The common-man effect. Clinton had it. Bush has it (even though its not genuine). Obama has it.

        As-a-matter-of-fact during some of my Republican co-workers gloating, they mentioned Barak and had nothing but praises for him (it was spooky). I honestly think he could run for the white house in 2012 and win! He might even be one of the strongest choices in 2008. I dare anyone here to name a person who has more political appeal than Obama has right now.

        "There is only a one in six billion chance that you actually exist"

        by Blacklantern on Wed Nov 03, 2004 at 12:05:28 PM PDT

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        •  You must not live in the south. (none / 0)

          In public, white people will say nice things about black politicians. But there is no way a black politician is going to win a national election in the south. Ask Steve Gilliard.

          It's a horrible shame, I agree. But I fear it's the truth. Racism in this country runs way, way too deep.

          We just went thru a week of discussion of subtle, KKK-like GOP schemes to limit black participation in the vote. You think black folks didn't know what those Ohio "challengers" were supposed to do? Man, everybody knows the goal was to keep the uppity blacks from voting.

          Who raised a peep? Nobody in the media, and hardly anybody in the Democratic camp. The bloggers got angry, but nobody else gave a fuck.

          -What have you got that a man could drink with just a minimum risk of blindness and death.

          by Toadvine on Wed Nov 03, 2004 at 12:15:37 PM PDT

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        •  Yep. (none / 0)

          Another one: Paul Wellstone.

          A lot of people were stunned at Wellstone's continued success in Minnesota.  He seemed so far left of the rural and range parts of the state that it seemed counter-intuitive.  But they voted for him.  Twice.  And I am convinced they would have a third time as well.

          But he talked to people.  he didn't talk about issues.  He talked about people to people, and the issues became an obvious extension of his life.  That's contagious.

          I don't think Bush has got that at all, even the fake variety.  It's just not something that you can fake.  People can be brain washed into thinking he has it, especially by people they trust (think pastor here), but the unease oozes out for all to see.  They cover that with gloating.  It's empty.

          I still remember when he was campaigning and it was reported he had MS.  He was walking with a limp from it.  I saw a steel worker in Eveleth, very blue collar, very middle-american.  When  asked about the MS, he said "If he can't walk, we'll carry him on our shoulders.".  That's not just support, that's love.  Ask those Bush supporters if they'd do that.  Now, give it a couple years and ask Obama supporters.  I bet they will.  He's got it.

          Damn it! Now I'm all shook up again!  Have to hunt down a quote for my sig.

          "Politics isn't about big money or power games; it's about the improvement of people's lives" - Paul Wellstone

          by nullspace on Fri Nov 05, 2004 at 08:42:49 AM PDT

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    •  before jumping the gun (3.66 / 3)

      and endlessly debating will-he-or-won't-he-be-elected-Pres, can't we just take a deep breath and let him become a US Senator?  He's young -- and there's no way he would be experienced enough for awhile anyway.  We have enough pressing considerations to work on NOW!
  •  Kos, sorry, but you are wrong. (4.00 / 3)

    Obama isn't the future of our party. The future of our party lies in ensuring free and fair elections. Anything less, and you will not see a democrat in the white house for a very long time.

    Man is the measure of all things. Of things that are that they are; of things that are not, that they are not. - Protagoras (ca. 380 BC)

    by ManIstheMeasure on Wed Nov 03, 2004 at 11:06:25 AM PDT

    •  The only way to do that is to win Governorships (none / 0)

      ... and capture the position of Secretary of State or Election board supervisor (whatever the case may be) in more states.

      Those are critical goals.

    •  Fair elections don't cure a misinformed electorate (4.00 / 3)

      We would have lost a fair election, too. The corporate media and religious right combine to make an obstacle we cannot at present overcome. Most of my postings today have been more of the despair/hopeless type than the rage/action type, so I'll add some balance by suggesting there are two things we can do which would make it possible for America to recover in a decade or so:

      1. Destroy the corporate media
      2. Destroy the myths of the religious right

      Pat Buchanan is right in his analysis, gay marraige brought us down this time. The two villans were the corporate media and the religious right.

      So now, what can we do about that?

      (I'll expand on this in a diary soon.)

      Don't you think John McCain looks tired?

      by MakeChessNotWar on Wed Nov 03, 2004 at 11:59:31 AM PDT

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  •  Future of our party? (4.00 / 2)

    I find it hard to believe any significant portion of Bush voters, especially in the south, will ever vote for a black man as president. It's sad but true.

    "Our planet is a lonely speck in the great enveloping cosmic dark. In our obscurity, in all this vastness, there is no hint that help will come from elsewhere"

    by Morbo on Wed Nov 03, 2004 at 11:07:01 AM PDT

    •  While I hope you're wrong (none / 0)

      I'm afraid you may be right. I wish people would see Obama for who what he is--America in all it's diversity (at least the black and white part), all of it's promise, and hope.

      I wish he was my senator, as someone else mentioned. But at least here in Wisconsin we still have Russ Feingold.

    •  Voting for a black man (none / 1)

      Out of 5 million votes cast in Illinois, Obama got 3.5 million, while Kerry got 2.8 million.  Even assuming that not a single Kerry voter went for Keyes, at least 700,000 Bush voters cast ballots for Obama.

      "That's what killed Dennis Day-- contempt for the audience." -- Phil Hartman as Frank Sinatra

      by Pangloss on Wed Nov 03, 2004 at 11:52:32 AM PDT

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      •  Republicans for Obama (none / 1)

        My parents were two of those voters in Illinois who voted for both Bush and Obama.  And one of my online acquaintances, a white Christian Republican in Oklahoma who is a big Bush supporter (and also a pretty thoughtful guy), said today that he can't wait to vote for Obama for president someday.  When asked why, he gave the following reasons:

        ****
        In no particular order....
         - Very Charasmatic
         - An Excellent Public Speaker
         - His Mother Is From Kansas
         - He Supports "Traditional Marriage"
         - Supports charter schools and private investment in schools...open to vouchers

         It is not because he is a christian because his deffinition of being a christian does not match what I believe.  He believes there are many paths to God. He is not sure there is a Hell.    

    •  A tiny shred of hope (none / 0)

      Maybe, maybe not. Southern Illinois is closer in spirit to Little Rock and Birmingham than it is to Chicago...yet people there voted for a black man with a funny name.

      There's hope.

      •  Are we winning the south now?? (none / 1)

        The answer is no, and we didnt even need to to capture this campaign, it all came down to ohio.  I think we need to stop looking to the south for our votes because they aren't going to happen.  If the Dems want to look anywhere its out west to states like Arizona, New Mexico, Nevada .  These states are going to continue to grow every year, and at the same time get younger and younger, and we need a serious democratic campaign out there.  I'm talking about governorships, and state parties.  Thats where the Dems can make up ground.  Forget about the states like Mississippi, and Alabama, and even Arkansas.
    •  choice in the south (none / 0)

      While it might be hard to believe, it will be even harder to believe that the black majority down there would vote for a white homophobic than an enlightened black man.

      (It might even draw some mainstream attention to voting practives in those regions if it doesn't happen in the next 4 years.)

  •  Rock On (4.00 / 4)

    This is what we need.

    We didn't vote against Bush because he don't like his haircut. We voted against Bush because he does not represent our values.

    My values remain strong, and so, I will forever fight.

    We need more leadership from folks like Obama. Liberalism does not mean gay sex on main street. Liberalism means equality for all citizens. Liberalism means letting people, not the government, make moral choices. Liberalism means human lives are more important than money.

    I am ready to take it to America.

    After a vacation.

    •  It isn't just that he doesn't represent our values (4.00 / 2)

      We didn't vote against Bush because he don't like his haircut. We voted against Bush because he does not represent our values.

      For me, it's much more than that. I voted for Kerry, and he doesn't represent a template of what I think. But at the very least, Kerry is open to discussion.

      Bush, on the other hand, won't even LISTEN to anybody who doesn't agree with him. The antiwar demonstrations worldwide were "a focus group." It wasn't even a part of the constituency whose voices should have mattered to him because they were American citizens. It was just white noise, something to be batted away so he could pursue his course.

      Kerry mentioned "healing the divisions" in his concession speech. It's a lovely sentiment, and I wish it were possible, but who does he expect to do that? It's usually up to the victor to make the first move.

      And I know nobody here is silly enough to hold their breath waiting for that friendly overture from the Bush crowd.

      I intend to keep on voicing my opinions and working for change, but I don't expect the Bush crowd to facilitate any of it.

      •  Thanks (none / 0)

        First, thanks for reminding me that I didn't just vote against Bush, I voted FOR Kerry. That wasn't always the case, but it was the case ever since the first debate.

        And I also fear Bush's deafness. They will not give us an inch. They are going to beat us over the head with this election.

        But that is OK. Well, it isn't OK, I don't reckon, but we can do it. It's going to be tough, but we can do it.

        Anyway, thanks for the post all around.

    •  Just one final note on this whole thing... (none / 0)

      fffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffuck!

      OK, with that said - onward and upward.

      Hope lives in each person's ability to do the best they can with what they have.

      by tony at work on Wed Nov 03, 2004 at 11:42:20 AM PDT

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    •  Just one final note on this whole thing... (none / 0)

      fffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffuck!

      OK, with that said - onward and upward.

      Hope lives in each person's ability to do the best they can with what they have.

      by tony at work on Wed Nov 03, 2004 at 11:42:20 AM PDT

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    •  Thank you! (none / 1)

      I was going to come here to post the question, "what do I DO next?".  I went through the whole denial and anger bit by 10am this morning.  And I am totally up for revisiting the eloquent words of a future president, but I need to know what to dooooo.  Like, an actual activity.  Not what the game plan is, not what our philosophy should be, but what I can physically get up and go do right now.  

      I am going to join my county, state, and gender-related dem party today.  I was inspired by this election, but I was too cocky.  I never considered that the country could see the job that ass has done and still vote for him.  So, now, I will be active and aggressive and I'm here for the long haul.  

  •  Gov. Phil Bredesen for President '08 (none / 0)

    A conservative democrat who is wildly popular in Tennessee, but still holds to many democratic ideals.

    He is an educational and economic success story everywhere he's been elected.

    Until the American people have a fundamental shift, liberals like Obama are not going to be able to win.

    Freedom isn't Free, but we shouldn't get ripped off for it either.

    by FleetAdmiralJ on Wed Nov 03, 2004 at 11:11:09 AM PDT

    •  I've got a better idea (none / 0)

      How about the Democrats nominate a Democrat and tell any aspiring Republicans to go seek the Republican nomination?

      So this is how liberty dies -- with thunderous applause.

      by MJB on Wed Nov 03, 2004 at 11:22:42 AM PDT

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    •  People didn't vote policies (none / 0)

      they voted their emotions.  Obama makes a great emotional appeal and is a wonderful candidate.  But 2008 is too early for him.

      I'm in TN.  I'm glad Phil os Governor, and he is popular, but he has gained that popularity by cutting medical benefits for poor people and failing to get behind progessive tax reform.  Hey - that's what it takles to win here.  But Dems need to forget the south - it ain't going blue so quit saying we have to nominate southerners.  Maybe someone from Missouri or LA could carry their state - or AR - but the rest are out of reach.  The Solid South is solid once again - solid red.  Pick up the necessary electoral votes elsewhere - CO, VA, WV, OH, NV, AZ and MT should all be in play!!

      •  We can't afford to ignore the South (none / 0)

        Wake up people!  We are losing congressional seats and governorships in the south all over the place, while the repugs are taking them in Blue states... if we abandon the south because it's difficult, it's not just the EVs that we lose, it's everything else.   We need to connect with the religious south and show them how our agenda can serve them, so that some of them will vote our way.  It's not impossible: it's all about framing the issues.  Gay marriage is about encouraging stable relationships and communities.  Environmentalism is about good stewardship and loving the children.  Civil rights is about loving your brothers and sisters.  Progressive taxation is about justice for all God's people.  Safe, legal, RARE is an abortion policy that should appeal to Christian voters because it actually reduces the real number of abortions.  And that no one is proposing policy that bans churches, tells people to have abortions, or tramples any of their other rights.  And remind them that separation of church and state is a measure to protect them from persecution.  But this doesn't mean putting a few ads on in the south in an election year, it means going out there and talking to the religious right and showing them how Dem policies work for their values.  NOTICE that I'm not advocating changing our position - I want us to make the effort to reach these voters and show them what we know: that the progressive movement is working in their real interests.
    •  I'm thinking Mark Warner. (none / 1)

      He's very popular in Virginia on both sides of the isle, and that's not easy for a Democrat here.

      He should, at the very least, run for Senate when his gubenatorial term ends.

      •  I agree (none / 0)

        I live in California now, but I lived in Virginia for 10 years (Charlottesville).

        Virginia is a tough nut. NOVA is moderate, but by no means liberal, and Virginia has some of the most conservative laws in the nation.

        But Warner won.

        I am not an expert on Virginia, but his business background and centrist stump speeches helped.

        Additionally, SW Virginia is basically in a Depression right now.

        My perception, anyway, I have been gone from VA for a while.

    •  Then our work is different (none / 0)

      Until the American people have a fundamental shift, liberals like Obama are not going to be able to win.

      "Fundamentmental shifts" don't passively occur in the populace, they have to be produced.  That's the work we have to do, not sit around and debate who the candidate should be in four years.

      Words can sometimes, in moments of grace, attain the quality of deeds. --Elie Wiesel

      by a gilas girl on Wed Nov 03, 2004 at 12:07:12 PM PDT

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  •  And the future (none / 0)

    I really didn't know who Barack Obama was until I started reading Daily Kos.

    Now I know who he is, and I wish he was my Senator.

    And tentatively hope he'll be my President.

    No one comes into the world without crying.

    by Kaitlin on Wed Nov 03, 2004 at 11:11:30 AM PDT

  •  At least he's a realist (4.00 / 2)

    "Yet even as we speak, there are those who are preparing to divide us, the spin masters and negative ad peddlers who embrace the politics of anything goes. Well, I say to them tonight, there's not a liberal America and a conservative America--there's the United States of America."

    He knows that they are going to continue to divide Americans.  I had to turn off Kerry's concession speech because he sounded too much like Al Gore... we must heal the divide in this country... what? is Kerry that stupid?  The Republicans have found a winning strategy and you think they are going to give it up to heal the divide?  They are just going to stick it to us and twist the knife a bit.  Why in the world would Kerry think that Bush would suddenly try to be a uniter after 4 years of being a divider?  With Bush you are either with him or against him.  We are screwed.  They know the Dem party will be going through some tough times now, and they are going to ram through whatever they want in the Senate and walk all over us in the House.  They are going to work the wedge issues and pick off the swing states until they have a firm lock on the control of our government.

  •  iTunes has it for free (none / 0)

    Download all DNC speeches at iTunes for free. Obama's gives me chills from start to finish.

    "It is time to move forward. The country we carry in our hearts is waiting." --Bruce Springsteen

    by bunny on Wed Nov 03, 2004 at 11:11:57 AM PDT

  •  You Know... (none / 0)

    I hope this is not the last we see of JFK, he will pop up on talk shows and stuff right?

    My god, My heart is breaking watching this speech.

  •  300 Ev Super Liberal State - Sarcasm (none / 0)

    Well, Texas needs about 100 million liberals to move here and vote the Republicans out of office. Then we can make life utterly inhospitable for all right-wingers by passing pro civil-union laws. After that we start having children to ensure a healthy population growth. After a census or two, we will have a 300 EV super state that will dominate the country.

    Election fraud won't matter on bit....

    Dreaming on.....

    Say No to Spineless Democrats!

    by roboton on Wed Nov 03, 2004 at 11:14:20 AM PDT

  •  Barack gets it (none / 1)

    Barack, nearly alone among major Democrats, can articulate Democratic values in the language of redolent of faith. He is already the spokeman for the party.

    Didn't he grow up in Nebraska or Kansas?

    disclaimer: I'm John Kerry's Internet Director

    by BriVT on Wed Nov 03, 2004 at 11:14:37 AM PDT

  •  I liked these words at the convention (none / 1)

    We worship an awesome God in the Blue States, and we don't like federal agents poking around our libraries in the Red States. We coach Little League in the Blue States and have gay friends in the Red States.

    But the evidence of yesterday shows that Reds are happy to let John Ashcroft burn our library books, and they intensely hate gays whether or not they know some of their friends and relatives are gay, in fact they hate them so much they're willing to give a free pass to a president who is waging an unnecessary war while letting the 9/11 mastermind roam free and taunt us.

    Sorry to be blunt.  Can't hide from the truth, though.

    So this is how liberty dies -- with thunderous applause.

    by MJB on Wed Nov 03, 2004 at 11:14:56 AM PDT

    •  They have gay friends/family in Red States ... (none / 0)

      but they aren't talked about, and anyone referring explicitly to their homosexuality is considered rude and insulting. It's seen as a character flaw that's, with sadness, tolerated.

      - What happens on DailyKos, stays on Google.

      by Jon Meltzer on Wed Nov 03, 2004 at 11:21:41 AM PDT

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    •  My lesbian best friend (none / 1)

      in California called me at work nearly in tears because her OWN GRANDMOTHER in Cincinatti called to gloat, and tell her "you should get down on your knees and thank Jesus that we have Bush for another term," degraded her sexuality, and called her names.  

      If a lesbian woman can get treated this way by her own supposedly Catholic grandmother, then I have no hopeor expectation that Repubs will extend the olive branch.

      "Murder, considered a crime when people commit it singly, is transformed into a virtue when they do it en masse." St. Cyprian (200-258)

      by valleycat on Wed Nov 03, 2004 at 11:52:47 AM PDT

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    •  Bush may have won those "red states"... (none / 0)

      ...but everyone's forgetting that, in most of them, he won by small margins.  And I'm about 100% certain that some vote manipulation happened--especially since Florida exit polls, which have always been right on the money, had major discrepancies when compared to the "official" vote count, and that printed "receipts" from FL voting machines showed that many people who voted a straight Democratic ticket had in fact somehow voted for Bush.  (My best friend's aunt works for a Florida newspaper, so I've been hearing a lot about this today).  Scary stuff.

      WHY CAN'T I GET ALONG WITH YOU?--Sleater-Kinney
      there's nothing left except certain death--the Microphones

      by digmeout on Wed Nov 03, 2004 at 05:14:37 PM PDT

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  •  The cynics are out today. (none / 0)

    He IS the future of the party. Yesterday I heard someone call him "the great hope." Though I'm sure I've heard that said before, yesterday it meant a whole lot more.

    If I could spell the opening riff from "Barracuda," I would put it here.

    by Worship Your Toaster on Wed Nov 03, 2004 at 11:15:05 AM PDT

  •  While I like Obama (2.33 / 3)

    This annointing of him before he has any record of achievement is really disturbing.

    Dems need to get over this messiah complex we have.  The future of the party is in our hands, not some savior.

    Besides.  Our Edwards messiah complex didn't work out to well.  The odd thing about messiahs is they usually let you down.

    •  I think this is absolutely right (none / 0)

      The strength is as great as the strength inside yourself. But allow others to help you express your determination as well.
    •  Edwards didn't let us down (none / 0)

      We haven't seen the last of John and Elizabeth. They are a worthy first family.

      Obama does deserve a chance to succeed in this awful senate without the added pressure of being the future of the party. But he's a lovely speaker.

      •  Sorry, you still don't get it (none / 1)

        America does not elect legislators to the highest executive office in the land (3 exceptions in 228 years [58 elections]).

        We will not see a President John Edwards. Nor a President Hillary Clinton. Nor a President Barak Obama.

        If the Dems learn nothing else from this election, please learn that.

        If you want to win an executive position, run an executive candidate.

        -6.63 -5.64

        I am I and you are you, and we are both each other too -- Clair Huffaker

        by xysrl on Wed Nov 03, 2004 at 12:07:15 PM PDT

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        •  Gee, you're right! (none / 0)

          Somebody get five-term Governor Howard Dean warming up in the bullpen... we need this out!
        •  I do "get" it--but I disagree with you (none / 0)

          This country needs "executives" like Cheney and Rumsfeld like we need another 10,000 holes in our heads.

          We do need candidates with vision and idealism, not just able compromisers.

        •  more than three (none / 0)

          A quick look at the 2000 NY TIMES Almanac revealed that these presidents were once US Senators:
          Richard Nixon
          Lyndon Johnson
          John F. Kennedy
          Harry Truman
          Benjamin Harrison
          Andrew Johnson
          John Tyler
          William Henry Harrison
          Martin Van Buren
          Andrew Jackson
          John Quincy Adams
          James Monroe

          These presidents made it to the House:
          Gerald Ford
          William McKinley
          James A. Garfield
          Abraham Lincoln**
          Frankin Pierce
          James K. Polk
          Millard Fillmore
          James Madison

          John Q. Adams was elected to the House after his term as president.

          ** Like Barack Obama, a member of the Illinois legislature.

          * "I still believe in a place called Hope." --Bill Clinton

          by diversecity215 on Thu Nov 04, 2004 at 06:46:51 AM PDT

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    •  I like him too, (none / 0)

      and he speaks thing we need to hear, and in addition he needs a Senate record that shows leadership and independence, which is mighty hard to accomplish in three years.
    •  Edwards (none / 1)

      What a non-entity he turned out to be.  It was as if Kerry was running without a running mate.

      You're right, it's a good cautionary example to test the waters before jumping into a pool that turns out to be, well, shallow.

      So this is how liberty dies -- with thunderous applause.

      by MJB on Wed Nov 03, 2004 at 11:19:56 AM PDT

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      •   wow are YOU stupid (none / 0)

          let me see if  I have this right....   Kerry another Northeast  Liberal  from Mass and the dems  get killed on  social issues and get blown out  by  rural votes...

         and  the  only guy  who  connects to those   folks in anyway  -- Edwards--  is at Fault?

        "Obviously we are dealing with limited mentalities" -- Daffy Duck

        by wxdave on Wed Nov 03, 2004 at 01:23:49 PM PDT

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        •  Which election were you watching (none / 0)

          Don't you have to be visible and seen by those voters to connect to them?

          Is it enough if you're less than half as visible as your frail, 65-year old GOP counterpart who has had multiple heart surgeries?

          Do you "connect" with rural voters simply by having your press aides repeatedly remind the media that your father was a millworker?

          Oh, BTW, thanks for helping us carry Ohio, Mr. Edwards, and we couldn't have won North Carolina without you.  Now that's the power of "connecting"!

          So this is how liberty dies -- with thunderous applause.

          by MJB on Wed Nov 03, 2004 at 01:36:16 PM PDT

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      •  and whose fault was that? (none / 0)

        Edwards was working his butt off flying around the country and giving speeches every day. Good speeches. Is it his fault that the media decides that it's more important to interview Mark Geragos for the 79th time about Scott Peterson than to devote an extra 2 goddam minutes to political coverage?

        He was only a non-entity because the way we approach politics (I'm not just blaming the media) made him a non-entity. Until enough people stand up and say "Fuck this, I don't need to hear anymore about some husband that might have killed his wife, and I don't need to hear about Michael Jackson, and I don't need to hear about Ashlee Simson," then we're stuck with this kind of thing.

        Edwards could have given four speeches in four states on one day, could have talked passionately about the issues facing this country, but if he made one verbal gaffe or miscue at the fourth speech, guess what the entire media coverage of his day would be? Yep--that verbal gaffe.

        As it is, the major networks devote about five minutes to the presidential race, and half of that is polls. The other half is split about 45%-45% between the POTUS candidates, and then the VEEPS maybe get 5% each. And that amounts to about 5 seconds.

        I know what you mean that he wasn't very visible, but that's a system-wide fault, not his. I don't think any other VP candidate would have done better. The system insists that the VP (of the challenging party, especially) be relegated to the "And in other news..." section of the broadcast, and until that changes, the non-entity part won't either.

        "Republicans are the party that says government doesn't work, and then they get elected and prove it."--PJ O'Rourke

        by David J on Wed Nov 03, 2004 at 01:56:51 PM PDT

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        •  I heartily agree (none / 0)

          The campaign coverage of Edwards was mostly about his hair. If anyone in the mainstream had paid attention to the issues, we would have won.

          JRE probably won us the votes to carry the midwestern states. Elizabeth gave excellent town halls--was lucky enough to catch one in Carson City.

    •  it's unfortunate (3.50 / 2)

      that Obama is standing out so singularly.  If the DNC, etc., had been doing their jobs, he would have been but one of many whom the Dems were cultivating.  This is by no means meant to criticize him, but rather the Party, for giving us so few identifiable leaders.
      •  The DNC didn't even find Obama (none / 0)

        He was an unlikely prospect for the nomination before Dean found him and DFA funded him and then the leading Dem self-destructed.  We should be able to find talent like Barack Obama, but our system is broken.  Everybody thinks if they put in their time and act like a good team player, they should get whatever nomination they're after when "their turn" arrives.  That's garbage!  If you aren't a good candidate, keep walking.  It will never be your turn.
        •  I think (none / 0)

          after two national elections where a fundamentally bad candidate like George W. Bush can become POTUS, discussion of the qualilty of the candidates as a criteria should be put to rest forever.

          W. is the poster child of a "bad" candidate, and yet he was able to steal one election and win another.  The term is now meaningless.

          Words can sometimes, in moments of grace, attain the quality of deeds. --Elie Wiesel

          by a gilas girl on Wed Nov 03, 2004 at 11:59:59 AM PDT

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          •  Uh, make that two stolens. (none / 0)

            I will never be convinced that George W. Bush won an election to President in my lifetime, INCLUDING this one.

            It's too much of a coincidence that two states with Diebolds, voter harassment on a large scale, and two Nazis as Secretaries of State put him over the top.

            Paging Howard Dean, and he better get here before we take to the streets.

      •  Tim Ryan! (none / 0)

        If you haven't seen his phenomenal speech on the House floor, you simply must drop everything NOW and go find it... anyone have the link?
    •  Quit hitting Edwards (2.66 / 3)

      Nobody to blame here but the voters.  John Edwards worked his ass off, and inspired millions of people.  So did John Kerry.

      But they whipped us in GOTV.  Pure and simple.

      Until we get it through our thick heads that the majority of Americans thinks our party is for immorality, we are never going to win.  The only two candidates willing to argue for Democratic Principles in the language of morality were John Edwards and, following Edwards's lead, Obama.

      "Man is free at the moment he wishes to be." - Voltaire

      by DrFrankLives on Wed Nov 03, 2004 at 11:46:36 AM PDT

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    •  no record (none / 0)

      state Senator in IL since 1997 is no record.

      Legislative Record

      working against the Death penatly, for defendents' rights, child care, increasing the minimum wage ...

      no record ...

      Who do you suggest articulate our message?

    •  and the rights messiah will let them down (none / 0)

      Bush is seen as the rights messiah but he doesn't have what it takes and I'll bet he falls and when he does the right wing goes with him.

      Sarcasm: It beats killing people...

      by Dreggas on Wed Nov 03, 2004 at 11:54:09 AM PDT

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    •  asdf (none / 0)

      THANK YOU. Because it's not real. How about Illinois re-elect him in 6 years? The last Black Senator they had didn't make it. Oh, wait. You want him to not get re-elected, then run for POTUS like Mosely-Braun did? Ahhhhhhhh.

      I don' get it.

      And I'll personally vote for a white man who agrees with my views and supports my issues over an Asian lesbian who can't hold up in the long run. It's about issues. Plus, no way in hell is America going to nominate a minority for POTUS.

      -5.63, -4.41
      Drinking Belvi lemon drops in solidarity with the C&J Party since 2004.

      by Lexicon on Wed Nov 03, 2004 at 08:30:45 PM PDT

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  •  Whoa! (none / 0)

    That is an awe-inspiring statement of leadership. It is not for us to limit Obama as to what he might become or where he might end up by our defining in advance the difficulties that face him.

    Celebrate the speech, grab the vision and let a spirit like that have full expression without attaching to it any of our doubts!

  •  I heard most of it before (none / 0)

    when Obama came to stump for Feingold.

    It still is just as fresh and inspirational almost a month later. He is hope and he gives hope.

    Oddly, though I expected to be deflated today, I am, if anything more inspired to double down and fight. I am really tired and saddened, but not deflated or depressed. Obama's message captures we we need to go and why.

  •  What do I tell my Daughter now ? (none / 0)

    What do I tell my Daughter now ?
    by lawnorder
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    Wed Nov 3rd, 2004 at 14:18:54 CDT

    Being the clueless mom of an American kindergartner for the first time, I had no idea school was out today (1)

    I planned to vote after her class ended, at 3pm, to avoid the possibility of getting stuck in line and getting her late for class.

    I spent the entire morning itching to vote, reading Kos and other fabulous sites, fretting over Kerry, fretting over getting my 5 yr. old ready for school

    Me, my 3 yr. old and my 5 yr. old sat outside waiting for the bus, singing Kerry Rimes(2):
    Vote for Kerry, cause Bush is scary!

    Vote for Kerry, cause Bush is mush

    Her school bus didn't show up. I drove her to school

    Well you know what happened, right ?  Not quite.

    a few of the voters, officials start to join in, explaining to my two little angels (ha!) why voting is so important and what the Republic stands for...

    I had to run out of the polls before I burst into tears, of pride, of hope for this country where GOP and DNC can unite and teach the new generations what Republic is all about

    What do I tell my Daughter now ?

    Stay the Course will be their epitaph

    by lawnorder on Wed Nov 03, 2004 at 11:17:16 AM PDT

  •  why not? (none / 0)

    anoint away!!

    so he doesn't become all that we hope he can -> it can't feel any worse than this does... we need leaders who both educate us and awe & inspire us... that's what bill clinton was. that's what gives me hope... and it's been a while since i've felt the kind of hope i did when he gave that speech.

    he said it best himself...

    ... "The audacity of hope..."

    The power of accurate observation is commonly called cynicism by those who have not got it. -- George Bernard Shaw

    by sheli on Wed Nov 03, 2004 at 11:19:08 AM PDT

    •  Obama has it right (4.00 / 2)

      We've got to talk about our strong American values.

      Dean has it right too. Talk to folks in the south about what we have in common. The truth is that more people will be affected by lack of healthcare than terrorists. More people will be affected by the dismantling of social security than by Saddam.

      We can state our values just as plainly, simply and clearly as W.

      We MUST do so.

      Having candidates who have a tad of charisma can't hurt either. Say what you will about Gore and Kerry on the issues... they both could suck all the oxygen out of a room. (At least before Gore found his voice last year... where was that Gore in 2000?)

      We've got some promising candidates on the horizon who will be able to do this. Obama. Edwards. Clark. Dean.

      But lets put the torch to the DLC we're-just-like-the-Republicans tactics. Its a loser. And we've had enough of loss.

      The only maxim of a free government ought to be to trust no man living with power to endanger the public liberty. - John Adams

      by Malacandra on Wed Nov 03, 2004 at 11:27:29 AM PDT

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  •  You guys (none / 1)

    This is so hard. Why, God, why are we being subjected to this lying, cheating murderer... I am sitting next to a whole bunch of asshole republicans and I can't take it right now.

    We shall overcome. One day, God help us.

    "I am a Democrat without prefix, suffix or apology." - Sam Rayburn

    by sandra1113 on Wed Nov 03, 2004 at 11:20:32 AM PDT

  •  If you thought Kerry was going to win (none / 1)

    then you haven't read greg palast.

    Man is the measure of all things. Of things that are that they are; of things that are not, that they are not. - Protagoras (ca. 380 BC)

    by ManIstheMeasure on Wed Nov 03, 2004 at 11:23:07 AM PDT

  •  That's nice. (none / 0)

    Here's to blood running in the streets.
  •  Not the man, folks. The message. (none / 0)

    Don't ever, ever put your faith, your hope, your fears, your future, in a politician. Barak Obama is a shining star, he is a remarkable man and politician and we can expect great things from him. But what resonated with us, with all of those people all over the country seeing him for the first time in his keynote speech at the DNC, was his message. And that's what we take forward. He is one man, a great one, potentially, but a man. He is flawed, he will falter. He will make decisions that thrill some, that devestate others. That's how politics works. But his vision for our American future is sound, and that's what we fight for.

    Those who would give up Essential Liberty to purchase a little Temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety. -- Ben Franklin

    by mcjoan on Wed Nov 03, 2004 at 11:25:10 AM PDT

  •  Not ready for a black President? (none / 1)

    Am I really reading that here?

    Look, a lot of the other half are woefully misinformed. A lot of our half have been disenfrancised. Look at the vote for Obama in IL ... yes, he had a crappy opponent, but the bottom half of that state may as well be Kentucky or Indiana, and he moves people there.

    Obama knows how to convey the meaning & the myths that unite the liberal worldview.

    We must not give in to the impulse to move more to the center right ...

    The future of our party lies in Howard Dean/Tom Paine & Barack Obama/MLK, idealistic pragmatists and pragmatic idealists, working together for a better world.

    •  Not ready (none / 1)

      We won't be ready for a black president until it happens--the timing logic is fundamentally flawed.  Nothing new ever occurs until someone/thing makes it so (now you know, I have my phaser at my side).  If we like Obama, what the flip does it matter if the people we most oppose DON'T like him, for whatever reason.  They won't vote for a Democrat full stop.  Race, gender, toenail hygene, yada yada is irrelevant.  Dean was honestly Dean, and we still love him.

      People will follow a good leader.  

  •  A victory for ignorance and fear (none / 0)

    we shall get what we deserve. Heil Bush!

    "My answer is: Bring 'em on. We got the force necessary to deal with the security situation." - George W. Bush, July 2, 2003

    by Eggman on Wed Nov 03, 2004 at 11:27:02 AM PDT

  •  Future of Who's Party? (none / 0)

    Is dkos an adjunct to the DNC?

    D no more.  My party left me.

    Mambo

  •  No hope for us until we fight fire with fire (none / 0)

    We will never win another election until we can defeat their TACTICS.

    We will be the nice guy losers for ever otherwise.

    Bush didn't win because he believes in one thing or another he won because he and his polical operatives are ruthless.

    Bush and the GOP are exploiting the public against their best interests.

    If we want to win, we will have to carve up their constituency.

    If 2002 and 2004 prove anything it it that we can not win by compromising and trying to pass ourselves off as a more palatable form of Republicanism.

    Also, Obama is great but he is too long winded.

    It is not a winning stratagy to put all your eggs in one basket.

    Let Obama go as far as he can go.

    But we need to build a core of many strong candidates.

    And we also need to stand prepared to take advantage of Bush's likely self immolation.

    NewAmericanDemocrats@yahoogroups.com; Ucpol@Yahoogroups.Com NewAmericanLiberals@yahoogroups.com;

    by wildhair on Wed Nov 03, 2004 at 11:27:42 AM PDT

  •  Yes, it's a great speech (none / 0)

    but it's shortsighted to label one man as the future of our party.  We've got more problems than one man should have on his shoulders.
  •  Truth Be Told (none / 1)

    The blog factor is bogus.  It is simply providing click through revenue for the authors.

    The youth vote this year was unchanged, 17% for 2000 and this year.

    Feel good false hope.  

    The real people who were mobilized were religious fanatics voting against homosexuals marching down Main Street.

    Why was this site blindsided by the gay marriage amendments?    The only purpose of the amendments were to move people who otherwise do not care about economics or foreign policy.

    I am dissappointed, mostly in the hype, driven by weblogs, that have let us all down.

    •  Don't Blame the Blogs! (none / 0)

      We pushed a sitting war time president, whose party owned the Legislature, Judiciary and the corporate media, to the brink. The Republicans expended all their weapons this year - voter suppression of minorities, purges of their moderates and outrageously bad legal decisions. That will bite them in the ass for years to come.

      The blogs gave voice to that process when everyone else was too scared to say "boo." I expect that will continue in the next 4 years (which will include 2 cycles of elections).

      If you want to vent your anger somewhere, look those who vote their fear rather than their needs. The left needs to be less afraid to confront them because we fear offending their psuedo-religous sensabilities. Now if you think anyone besides the blogs are going to fight that particular fight, you are out of your mind.

    •  huh? (none / 0)

      I thought the youth vote was only 10% in 2000.

      "You must be the change you wish to see in the world" Mohandas Gandhi

      by baracon on Wed Nov 03, 2004 at 12:24:29 PM PDT

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  •  Hope, schmope (none / 1)

    Hope?  I have none, see no reason for any.

    Look at George W Bush and his record.  If we can't beat this idiot who turns everything he touchs into pure shit, who can we beat? This administration, so inept and incompetent that it defies belief, is apparently loved and respected by enough Americans that a smart, articulate, and genuine war hero couldn't beat him even with hsitorically unprecedented new voter registrations and massive GOTV efforts.  We had our people waiting in line to vote in the rain for 10 hours.  Still, we couldn't beat the brownshirts.

    Make no mistake: the people who control this country, who now REALLY control it and claim it legitimately, are evil - and I don't use that term lightly. The Nazi Party won.  They are on the rise.  They are about to install a whole new supreme court that will rule this country for generations to come.

    I wish Barak Obama luck, he's going to need it in a government presided over by chief justice clarence.  I'm ready to give up on america and the world.  Hate, bigotry, and willfull ignorance has won, and all are puting down deep, deep roots.

    Hope?  I got none.

    •  Yeah, of course (4.00 / 2)

      They're gonna freeze George's brain and make him the eternal dictator of God-ania, the renamed America.

      Or, perhaps, elections tend to work on cycles, and we happen to be stuck in an uncomfortably long Republican cycle right now.  There is no permanent majority in America, and there have been plenty of times when both parties have thought (incorrectly) that they had "total control."

      The next four years are gonna be rough.  Bare your teeth and get used to it.  Is one lost election, by a small margin at that, a crushing defeat which destroys your hope for the future of our country?  Dissapointment I can understand.  Despondence I cannot tolerate.

      Right now, our biggest fear is that individuals like Terry McAwful will retain power or that the powerful institutions we have built will start to fall apart.  Let's put Terry out (nicely ^_^) and bring in someone who can win us elections.

      The election was important, but what's next is maybe even more important.  Four years from now, we could be looking at a fractured Republican party against a united, energized, experienced progressive front.  However, that isn't going to happy if you're ready to throw in the towel after one setback.

      It's gonna be a long movie, and it wouldn't be interesting if the good guys won before the final act.

      Honor. Dignity. French Fries.

      by PotatoNinja on Wed Nov 03, 2004 at 11:44:58 AM PDT

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  •  Close the Sale (none / 0)

    It's not what we're selling, it's whatthey're buying.  Four more years of failure and incompetence.
  •  New strategy for new politics (none / 1)

    Is it time for Democrats to adopt the British system of a shadow government?  I would love to see every move the Republicans make countered by the team America could have had.  A shadow cabinet under Kerry/Edwards could build an indisputable alternative record.  TV's so called journalists would find spin far more difficult to credit.  A clear organized alternative record may be our only hope of cutting through Orwellian true lies and newspeak.

    If not Kerry/Edwards, then the DNC needs to have another convention SOON and decide the 2008 ticket and begin NOW building a record.  It's a fairly sure bet Bushies will remain in their bizarre parallel universe.  We should use that to advantage.

    Over time, the press would legitimize the shadow cabinet.  Whaddaya think?

    •  Maybe (none / 0)

      While I like how the Shadow Cabinet works in the Westminster system, it seems that it would leave whomever leads it too far open to the foibles of the members. Plus, if you turn it into somehing formal, it becomes political.

      What I envision would be a more informal one - for lask of a better title, Designated Responders. Every time there's a National Security move, I want to see Wesley Clark on every single TV show talking about how it wasn't in the best interests of the country, and how Democrats would have liked to do X, but couldn't because of the White House, and how much better things would have turned out if they had. I want the biggest and brightest economist to do the same for all tax matters, etc.

      The goal would be to have one face who's constantly appearing on TV, pushing our side of the story. Hell, he can even debate them on the various talk shows. But he can't be controlled by the DNC, or billed as "Democratic Spokesman" - he just needs to be someone who seems to happen to always show up with a D point of view. You establish that over a few years, and then come election time you have the guy start mentioning how the candidate would do that, as opposed to "the Democrats" would.

      AT&T offers exciting work for recent graduates in computer science. Pick up the phone, call your mom, and ask for an application.

      by Scipio on Wed Nov 03, 2004 at 11:48:32 AM PDT

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      •  I'll second that! n/t (none / 0)

        When you have the facts on your side, argue the facts. When you have the law on your side, argue the law. When you have neither, holler. - Al Gore

        by angelama on Wed Nov 03, 2004 at 11:52:31 AM PDT

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      •  Um...I thought it was politics. (none / 0)

        Good thoughts

        Part of the problem supposedly was that many people didn't know John Kerry--at least that's what we heard ad nauseam.  After four years of shadow cabinet exposure, it would be difficult for a Rove to "define" our candidate.  Familiar faces, a four-year record of being mostly right would greatly out weight many of the negatives.

        One problem, perhaps insurmountable, and maybe this is what you were alluding to, is finding politicians patriotic enough to forgo their egos and private ambitions.

    •  'K (none / 0)

      I'm down. Where should the shadow government be based? I'll move there tomorrow.

      "I am a Democrat without prefix, suffix or apology." - Sam Rayburn

      by sandra1113 on Wed Nov 03, 2004 at 12:07:01 PM PDT

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      •  K (none / 0)

        I haven't thought this through more than a desperate need to have a rational direction.  I refuse to be defeated.  If politics is civilized war, then this "election" was a battle.  Let's think out of the box; that's what Atwater did and Rove perfected.
  •  We Are the Future (none / 1)

    So the conservatives won a temporary victory. The future still belongs to us.

    Now, you old conservative white men, get on with the great die-off, OK? Buh-bye.

    •  Wrong! (none / 1)

      Conservatives are not old white men.

      Conservatives are the Evangelical sales support person in my office.

      Conservatives are the Evangelical husband of the sales support person in my office.  His job is to maintain the office.

      Conservatives are the blue collar electrician that comes to fix the roof so that water doesn't leak in, at my work.

      Conservatives are the receptionist at my work.

      Conservatives are workaday people like us, who, unlike us, think that liberals are very bad people.  We really need to do more to counterbalance their assessment of us.  We need to learn to play dirty and fast and loose with the truth.

      Power must be first be gained before we may implement our high-minded ideals.  We really need to be more adept at playing the same nasty games they play.

      So, here is what I propose.  We begin, in 2006, by leafletting cars at Evangelical churches with fliers that inform them that if they homeschool their children then they are not eligible to vote.

      Whaddaya think?

  •  That matters to me, even if it's not my child (none / 0)

    For my money, this is one of the greatest threads of a political speech I've seen in years:
    If there's a child on the south side of Chicago who can't read, that matters to me, even if it's not my child. If there's a senior citizen somewhere who can't pay for her prescription and has to choose between medicine and the rent, that makes my life poorer, even if it's not my grandmother. If there's an Arab American family being rounded up without benefit of an attorney or due process, that threatens my civil liberties. It's that fundamental belief--I am my brother's keeper, I am my sisters' keeper--that makes this country work. It's what allows us to pursue our individual dreams, yet still come together as a single American family. "E pluribus unum." Out of many, one.
    That sums up what the Democratic party should be about.

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    by Scipio on Wed Nov 03, 2004 at 11:39:07 AM PDT

  •  The circular firing squad can end now. (3.83 / 6)

    The GOP had more money than we did. They control both houses of congress, the presidency, and their friends own 90% of the media in the country.

    And yet we nearly beat them anyway.

    We're split 51/49. We need to figure out what went wrong and fix it. People are still scared, and they are voting for Bush with the hopes he will make them safer.

    If you've read Richard Clark, you know that we are not safer. We are, for now, the party of opposition. So let us, just to be different actually oppose something.

    The gloves are off and I am unwilling to put them back on again. The next four years are going to be  even worse than the last four, and I'm discovering new levels of being pissed off. This is not over yet.

    "Strength and wisdom are not opposing values." -- Bill Clinton 7/26/04

    by JetJaguar on Wed Nov 03, 2004 at 11:39:21 AM PDT

    •  Yes (none / 0)

      With some of the... ahem whining I've seen so far, I'm almost as dissapointed with our reaction as with the election results.

      This round went to Bush.  If you think that's game-set-match, I don't even know what to say to you.

      Daschle is out, its time to reorganize, re-energize and show Bush what an opposition party is all about.

      This isn't over -ever-.  That's the funny thing about politics.

      Honor. Dignity. French Fries.

      by PotatoNinja on Wed Nov 03, 2004 at 11:52:42 AM PDT

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  •  We need a new Democratic Party (none / 0)

    We need a new Democratic Party, with new leadership.  That leadership should be made up of women and minorities.  We need to offer something completely different to Americans.