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  •  First! (2.09 / 22)

    Please take a look at my website at http://www.politicalwebsolutions.com and let me know what you all think.  
  •  What's the latest excuse from Bush? (none / 0)

    I haven't heard any news today.  What's the latest excuse from Bush?

    We're all in this together.

    by JTML on Fri Sep 17, 2004 at 02:15:33 PM PDT

  •  I am about an hour's drive from PA (none / 0)

    I want to go there and help Kerry.  What's the best way for me to make a difference?  Any advice or links?

    If you like this comment, please visit It Affects You -- Ross

    by up2date on Fri Sep 17, 2004 at 02:15:44 PM PDT

    •  Register to vote (none / 0)

      Find a residence address, and register to vote.

      We're all in this together.

      by JTML on Fri Sep 17, 2004 at 02:17:22 PM PDT

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    •  Go To Pennsylvania (none / 1)

      A lot of Pennsylvanians are opening their homes for the last two weeks of the campaign, housing out of state vols. Contact the State party or a County Dem party closest to you. If you're not too far from Reading, email me and I'll hook you up with a friend in that area. www.dailybailey.org

      Let your hopes, not your hurts, shape your future.

      by philinmaine on Fri Sep 17, 2004 at 03:30:42 PM PDT

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    •  ACT (none / 1)

      Find a Pennsylvania America Coming Together office and offer to volunteer. You can sign up online.
    •  Canvass for the Kerry campaign. (none / 1)

      Canvassing reaches nearly twice as many voters per hour as does phoning, and persuasion is a lot more effective in person.

      Speaking from personal experience, It's at least 30% more effective to canvass for the Kerry campaign directly rather than ACT.  The big reason:  when you're wearing a Kerry sticker and introduce youself as a Kerry volunteer, virtully everyone is willing to talk, even if only to say they're for Bush.

      But when you're with ACT most people have no idea who ACT is (and the fact that you can't mention Kerry by name doesn't help).  The result of this is that many people think you're about to ask them for money, and about a third of people who answer the door say "Not interested." within 5 seconds and shut the door in your face--something that virtually never happens when you're with Kerry.

      And on the relevant diary whoring front, folks who haven't been canvassing before may want to read my introductory guide to How to Canvass for Kerry.

  •  Question... (none / 0)

    what happened to Ratings History?  Is that temporarily disabled or permanently gone?
  •  asdf (none / 0)

    do you have your halloween costume all planned out yet??  i'm in the 'sketch it out and see how broke it's gonna make you' phase.

    if ron reagan dyed his hair, and i'm not sayin' he did, it was only to show his strength to the communists - hank hill

    by leif on Fri Sep 17, 2004 at 02:16:06 PM PDT

  •  Hmmm (none / 0)

    They own the polls
    They own the media
    They own the presidency
    They own the congress

    When we beat them, that's what we'll be defeating. Of course it's huge, and of course it will be hard, and of course it will be close, BUT WE MUST PREVAIL!!!!!!

    (I reserve the right to get on President Kerry's case later)

    Idea:No Blood 4 Oil Action:I use Biodiesel site blog

    by KumarP on Fri Sep 17, 2004 at 02:17:48 PM PDT

    •  they own (none / 0)

      Don't forget they also own the Supreme Court and the proprietary rights to the voting machines.

      I do not like thee, Doctor Fell, The reason why I cannot tell; But this I know, and know full well, I do not like thee, Doctor Fell.

      by opinionated on Fri Sep 17, 2004 at 02:30:38 PM PDT

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      •  they own (none / 1)

        practically everything that dispenses power, because that is what they have been after, and unfortunately, the good people in society don't seem to care as much about power. What a horrible situation.

        Idea:No Blood 4 Oil Action:I use Biodiesel site blog

        by KumarP on Fri Sep 17, 2004 at 02:35:42 PM PDT

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        •  power (none / 1)

          Just like Hitler said in Mein Kampf, ordinary people just can't bring themselves to believe that their leaders would lie about such big things, would possess such evil motives.  Especially if these good people are already emotionally invested in these leaders.  

          I do not like thee, Doctor Fell, The reason why I cannot tell; But this I know, and know full well, I do not like thee, Doctor Fell.

          by opinionated on Fri Sep 17, 2004 at 03:12:56 PM PDT

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    •  Funny (none / 0)

      Yeah, I've always found this curious.  The Repugs controll just about every aspect of power in Washington and they still bitch and moan about liberal media this and liberal bias that.  I don't think Americans really understand that we are in the middle a rightward, conservative movement in this country.
  •  The Tide Is Turning (none / 1)

    Feel it.  Get busy.  Stop kvetching.  Convince two people to vote for Kerry and their democratic congressional candidates between now and November 2nd.  We can win big.

    -7.75, -7.64 www.politicalcompass.org "When the intellectual history of this era is finally written, it will scarcely be believable." -- Noam Chomsky

    by scorponic on Fri Sep 17, 2004 at 02:20:52 PM PDT

    •  we can win big (none / 0)

      but will it be portrayed that way by the newsmakers, the lawmakers, and the polling-equipment makers? I am only scared because of the ability to cheat. I have confidence in the K/E ticket, but how much of a blowout does it need to be to be cheat-proof?

      Idea:No Blood 4 Oil Action:I use Biodiesel site blog

      by KumarP on Fri Sep 17, 2004 at 02:38:44 PM PDT

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    •  Why Kerry is kicking butt (4.00 / 4)

      and is going to win this thing in Nov.

      Headlines today:

      These headlines, all from today, show a vital, active, robust campaign, capturing and dominating headlines, taking the offensive, focusing on the awful Bush record.

      In contrast here is a defensive Chimpy headline from today:

      - Bush Still Optimistic About Iraq

      Doesn't even pass a laugh test.

      "I don't think riding in a fighter plane and getting shot down is a qualification to be president." -Gen. Clark

      by assyrian64 on Fri Sep 17, 2004 at 03:30:57 PM PDT

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      •  Still Crazy (none / 0)

        after all these years.

        We are called to speak for the weak, for the voiceless, for victims of our nation and for those it calls enemy.... --ML King "Beyond Vietnam"

        by Gooserock on Fri Sep 17, 2004 at 04:40:49 PM PDT

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      •  Rating the Stories High (4.00 / 5)

        For everyone with a Yahoo account, we need to rate the stories that show a good Kerry message high.  It looks like a bunch of Repugs are purposely rating Kerry stories lower.  A low average rating affects how long a story is visible in Yahoo's news section.  For example, the story "Kerry to keep hammering on Iraq" had a 1.64 Rating while the story "Poll Finds Bush Lead Surging Among Likely Voters" rated at 2.93.  Story rating on Yahoo is one thing we can do to help the media present a more positive Kerry image.
        •  Excellent idea! (none / 0)

          I rate them occasionally, but I just checked out Yahoo News and rated high all the ones where Kerry attacks Bush on issues, and high on Iraq and economy stories that show all is not Denial-ville.

          It is kinda fun, and many stories that I would consider positive or pro-Kerry were rated in the twos, and other stories had only a handful of votes, so it was easy to raise the average a bit.

          The higher rated stories rise up on the links, so it increases visibility if we rate the pro-Kerry stories high.  At least it might encourage someone to read about Kerry policy or Bush fuck-ups if they might not normally seek out the info.

          For those of us looking for ways to contribute SOMETHING, it is an easy, butt-fully-engaged-in-chair way of maybe doing something.  I may be naive but voting is fun and it didn't take long to scan a handful of stories and poke in some fives or ones as appropriate.

          There is strength in numbers, folks, and this is easy!!  (It's easy to register with Yahoo also if you're not already.)

          McCain is not a moderate, a maverick, or a man of integrity.

          by marjo on Fri Sep 17, 2004 at 09:47:53 PM PDT

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      •  BAD Headlines (none / 0)

        Actually, if Kerry wants to win the headlines should be:

        Kerry visonary new Health Care Program
        Kerry outlines new foreign policy
        Kerry details Iraq strategy
        Kerry bold vision for the future
        Kerry new economic program
        Kerry vows to creat jobs...

        You see, all the real headlines are "Kerry accuses... or Kerry hammerring"  This is only going to get you so far.  Its not going to win it for you.  It may make you and me the loyalist feel better that he's pissed and he's fighting back.  But it might not lead to a victory.

        I think the only way we win in with our vision and our ideas being better than Bush's, which of course they are.  The people just don't know it yet.  And if we keep with headlines like this, they never will.

        •  Nah! Kick Chimpy In The Nutz (none / 0)

          metaphorically speaking of course.  You watch, this "Halliburton is screwing the troops and you too." is gonna kill them.

          Add to that, "Iraq is going to hell and taking your kids and your money." headlines every damn day is something they can't survive.

          No way.

          My God, the insurgents have breeched the Green Zone! How much worse does it get for them?

          You can't always tell the truth because you don't always know the truth - but you can ALWAYS be honest.

          by mattman on Fri Sep 17, 2004 at 10:28:16 PM PDT

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      •  I hope you are right.... (none / 0)

        ...Even though I am suspicious of the polls, one thing is certain, he is clearly not ahead now.  I am anxious and concerned but am encouraged by your enthusiasm....

        Stop Looking For Leaders - WE are the Leaders!!!

        by SwimmertoFreedom04 on Fri Sep 17, 2004 at 11:11:19 PM PDT

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  •  Legacy (none / 0)

    The elimination of facts from the political universe will be a signature of the Bush years.

    Bush will lose a war, lose jobs and lose a surplus, a stellar trifecta.

    Memo to Bush voters: You are better off now than you will be in 4 years.

    •  ....better off now than you will be.... (none / 1)

      The key phrase here hese is "will be."

      Check out Digby today. It's a crucial analysis on "average" American voters, albeit third hand:

      http://www.digbysblog.blogspot.com

      "..all these disasters are UPCOMING. Policy wonks, politically educated and motivated Democrats can see them (or at least they think they can). But there is absolutely no reason for the median voter to look at the situation that way. The voter is rationally ignorant. He or she is not going to spend time digging into policy details, considering potential budget models, etc. What does this voter see? The economy isn't fabulous, but it isn't terrible. Maybe there will be environmental problems, maybe not, but at this point, there isn't anything in front of his or her face. Newsweek might say that Iraq is a disaster, but I don't see it: maybe it's just tough."

      In other words, politically disinclined Americans can't see the hideous problems barrelling down on us in the near future because they don't experience them firsthand.

      • Most don't know anyone who's been killed in Iraq (yet).
      • Most still have a job that pays at least some of their health insurance, and most are not sick (yet).
      • Their immediate environment seems no more polluted now that it did four years ago.
      • The federal defecit does not affect their very low mortgage rates (yet).
      • They don't care much about political expression, and can't imagine that the Ashcroft undermining of the Constitution could affect them (yet).
      • They remember September 11th, and are glad it hasn't happened since then (yet). They also, I submit, feel that firing Bush may jinx our current run of good luck.

      How to explain the dismal future awaiting us to shorsighted voters? Unclear. We CAN highlight the major problems facing us at this moment, as the DNC and MOveON ad campaigns have done.
    •  Reality does not Matter/Perception Does... (none / 0)

      YEah and he still might win re-election even under this historic weight.  I thing really that AMericans are giviong Bush a lot o leeway because of 9/11.  They don't want to see him fail, because if he does, that means they fail.  And Americans are not failures even if we a WRONG!!!  Now, 20 years from now we might be able to stomach that we were wrong about alot of things, but not right now.  I don't see enough voters, going against Bush in this election cycle.  He's still gets alot of leeway for 9/11 happening on his watch.  Bush has got the perception thing absolutely nailed down with this electorate in that he is strong on terrorism.  And right now, this eleciton is coming down to who is stronger, who is going to protect you better and national security.  I'm afraid that if the dynamics stay this way, we are going to have a tough time.
  •  Operation "Shame On You" (4.00 / 13)

    I've got an idea and I'd like to know what you all think.  Here's the gist:

    Newspapers all over the country are gearing up to make their endorsements for President.  Many of them are predictable, of course.  The Chicago Tribune, where I live, historically endorses the Republican candidate, regardless of who it is.  If the GOP nominated an avocado, the avocado would be trumpeted as the "right way to go for our country."  So what can you do?  

    Well, I think I might have a plan.

    Today, I went on the web and looked up all of the Bush endorsements that I could find from the 2000 election.  For example, I found this from the Detroit News, who said of Bush:

    "Mr. Bush will be a far better friend to Michigan workers. Preserving and growing jobs through smarter economic and conservation approaches is far better for the state's unionized work force than the empty and tired slogans of Mr. Gore."  

    Of course, smarter economic and conservation approaches did not occur and Michigan's workers are now suffering.  They also wrote:

    "Gov. Bush promises to purge Washington of the politics of division. His record in Texas and his tone on the campaign trail suggest he can succeed."

    The result?  The politics of division are alive, well and more toxic than ever before.

    Finally, they wrote: "The nation is enjoying the legacy of government restraint initiated by President Ronald Reagan. But we can't expect to coast on the current prosperity. Prudent management and discipline are needed in Washington. If our leaders become drunk on the surplus and launch a massive new spending spree, we very likely will find ourselves once again facing deficits and a stagnant economy."

    Well, even an avocado knows what happened, right?  So here is my idea: We go and find these endorsements.  We spread these ridiculous predictions far and wide.  And we respond to them.  In force.   Letters to the editor of each of these dailies, especially those in Ohio, Michigan, Pennsylvania...you get the idea.

    Point out to the editors (as I did earlier today to the Detroit News, as well as the Cincinnati Post and Cincinnati Enquirer), that their predictions of what kind of president George Bush would be proved to be disastrously wrong.  Some of our letters might get published.  Maybe not.  Some of these editors might be shamed into endorsing Kerry this time around. Maybe not.

    But it's worth a shot, don't you think?

    •  Hell YES (none / 0)

      I'll do it.

      Get a list together of all the newspapers' e-mail addresses.  Maybe put them into a diary and make them clickable (mailto or whatever that fancy html thingie is).

      Really, really good idea.

      •  How to Participate (4.00 / 2)

        Here's a great link to various endorsements from a number of papers.  The good news: you can link to the original endorsement, thanks to this great resourse.  The bad news:  some of the links are dead.

        Have at them!

        http://www.gwu.edu/~action/natendorse5.html

        E-mail me any similar links, everybody.

        •  A great idea - make it a diary? (none / 0)

          Please make this a diary so we can track this!

          I looked up the 2000 Chicago Tribune endorsement (Bush).  It is nauseating.  

          Here is an excerpt:

          [In the debates Bush] showed a grasp of detail on both domestic and foreign affairs, and told the public what kind of administration he wanted to run.

          That would be an administration dedicated to Republican principles of limited government, low taxes, free enterprise, personal rights and personal responsibilities. But it would be one shorn of the unfortunate vitriol that accompanied the GOP revolution in 1994. It would be an administration that trusts people to make their own decisions, but would not forget that some people need the government's help.

          It would be an administration that recognizes a president doesn't succeed by browbeating, lecturing or intimidating Congress. A president succeeds by setting broad goals, leading by example, and recognizing that the perfect should not be the enemy of the good.

          snip (no, no, and no again)

          Bush has offered solutions to problems. He has, to his credit, not given the impression that he has the last word on every problem to confront government. He would listen.

          snip (listen? no)

          There is, finally, the question of basic honesty.

          Gore, unlike his boss in the White House, has by all accounts lived a life of probity. There's no doubt that he is a decent man. But his penchant for enhancement has become something of a running joke. Created the Internet? Discovered Love Canal? While he may not have explicitly laid claim to those events, the fact is that Gore has a natural inclination for evasion that is deeply troubling. His explanations of his creative fundraising techniques--"No controlling legal authority"?--suggest that the public will grow disenchanted with yet another White House that can't tell the whole truth.

          The White House has seen enough of that. The nation has seen enough of that. It's time to move on.

          (honest? noooooooooooooo)

          Time to move on, indeed.

        •  Endorsements 2004 (none / 0)

          In Seattle, the Seattle Times has already switched from its jaw-dropping 2000 endorsement of Bush.  They're on the record this time for Kerry.  Last time the Blethen family, owners of the Seattle Times, apparently supported Bush because he promised to get rid of estate taxes, which according to the Blethens, would destroy the paper.  Guess Bush was too much on the other issues.  I canceled my subscription the day they endorsed B. and kept my Seattle Post-Intelligencer going.

          Compass -7.63, -7.49

          by cinnamon68 on Fri Sep 17, 2004 at 11:27:59 PM PDT

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    •  Good idea. (none / 0)

      Letters not getting published might be a problem, however. So, to add pressure, all the misguided endorsements should be collected and made available somewhere. Like on the web..

      Presidential politics is like jumping into raw sewage with your mouth open -- Batfish

      by Frank on Fri Sep 17, 2004 at 02:31:20 PM PDT

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    •  Yes (none / 0)

      Great idea.
    •  Brilliant! (none / 0)

      It's amazing that the predictions of the Detroit News went exactly the opposite way...  I'll make it the topic of my astroturfing plan for some day next week.  The Detroit Free Press, which I prefer as a paper (I grew up on it, and at the time, it had the better selection of comics), endorsed Al Gore.  They were skeptical of Bush and much of their skeptecism has been borne out since then.

      At some point the two papers actually merged for a while, or were producing a unified Sunday paper or something...  Don't know if that's still the case.  I know the Free Press is part of the Knight-Ridder conglomerate...

      •  It's a JOA (none / 0)

        The Free Press is still the better paper. Because of the joint operating agreement, the Detroit News and Detroit Free Press publish together on holidays and weekends. Both papers publish their editorial sections in the combined papers. After the newspapers' union's strike, I've never been the strong supporter of the Free Press that I was at one time, but it is still the only paper in these parts that's not screamingly conservative.
        •  Detroit News is useless (none / 0)

          I used to read the Free Press daily until I started getting most of my news from NYT online and blogs.  Now I notice how much of the freep is syndicated NYT   a week or so late.  

          The Freep sells better.  And it does have the Knight-Ridder editorial advantage.

          Last I knew the News was still busy lobbying against global warming.

          McCain is not a moderate, a maverick, or a man of integrity.

          by marjo on Fri Sep 17, 2004 at 08:02:17 PM PDT

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    •  When I was reading your post I was... (none / 0)

      thinking; How is this going to work? Didn't these same people that we're trying to persuade read that stuff 4 yrs ago? Can't they see what has happened instead? But the other comments inspired me. It's better than anything I've come up with. I'll try it in my area.
    •  Well, you got me involved (none / 0)

      I just sent my letter in to the Rocky Mountain News.

      See here for the text of what I wrote.

      Jason

  •  Dean fans -- another incentive to ACT tomorrow (none / 1)

    Tomorrow is a big day of election canvassing by ACT. They've organized canvassing events in all the swing states and are busing people from at least some non-competitive states into swing state regions (IL, CA and DC I know of for sure, probably others).

    Plus, as an added bonus, Dean will be speaking on a conference call to all the volunteers before they head out to knock on doors. One caveat -- the only state I can confirm that Dean will be talking with is Wisconsin, but I'm guessing that it will be a national call for all the groups.

    Either way, ACT is doing great work. Look for an event to help with if you can.

    (p.s. I deleted my diary on the subject to make room for others)

    "This union may never be perfect, but generation after generation has shown that it can always be perfected." - Barack Obama (3.18.08)

    by lapis on Fri Sep 17, 2004 at 02:22:13 PM PDT

  •  Good diary that disappeared too quickly (none / 0)

    This was a good diary by bellatrys from yesterday:
    http://www.dailykos.com/story/2004/9/16/9610/72824
  •  Caption? (none / 0)

    "Aw, Britney Spears just kissed me!"

  •  Separated at birth? (4.00 / 3)

    My mother-in-law noticed this rather disconcerting resemblance last night as she flipped through my copy of the Kitty Kelley book:

    And the kicker: they both tortured animals as children.

    If we believe the psychiatrists, a sign of a future serial killer is a child who delights in torturing and killing animals. George W., as a child, did exactly that. In a May 21, 2000, New York Times' puff piece about the values Bush gained growing up in Midland, Texas, Nicholas D. Kristof quoted Bush's childhood friend Terry Throckmorton: "'We were terrible to animals,' recalled Mr. Throckmorton, laughing. A dip behind the Bush home turned into a small lake after a good rain, and thousands of frogs would come out. 'Everybody would get BB guns and shoot them,' Mr. Throckmorton said. 'Or we'd put firecrackers in the frogs and throw them and blow them up.'"

    Young and irresponsible or serial killer?  You be the judge.

  •  MfA needs some dough (none / 0)

    those crazy kids led by regular round her JoshK are having a fundraiser to print some supplies for their organizers.  i just hit them up with some of my paycheck.  so donate or buy some stuff from their unstore.  they do great work with youth mobilizing through music and with bands.  they are a 527 dedicated to defeating Bush and getting kids involved in politics in general.  oh yeah and if you havent seen partisan jab its worth watching.
  •  Veterans' Views on Lehrer Last Night (4.00 / 6)

    Go check out the Lehrer debate last night between two Iraq war vets (one for Bush one for Kerry). The vet for Kerry KICKED A$$. He was absolutely devastating. If we want to see how to hold Bush accountable for the war on Iraq, I suggest we review this tape and hammer on these points. It was incredibly powerful.

    Go see it. Do not let this one pass you by!

    Click "Veterans' Views" after following the link below.

    http://www.pbs.org/newshour/video/index.html#

    Stop McCain and the GOP. Support Barack Obama and the DNC.

    by DaveV on Fri Sep 17, 2004 at 02:28:00 PM PDT

  •  Arrested for Dissent (none / 0)

    I'm sorry, did I miss something? Just now on CNNI I saw a middle-aged woman getting arrested for heckling Laura Bush. How does that work? I thought people would just get run out of the room, or like earlier today, get beat down by supporters. But arrested and carted away in handcuffs? What the hell is going on in America?
    •  You don't even have to do anything (none / 0)

      The police have taken to rounding up anybody who looks like he might protest, photograph a protest, or be near a protest. A good account is here. There is also a recent New York Times article.
    •  there are a few diaries on it. (none / 1)

      she was a distraught mother, her son was killed disarming a bomb.  She went to ask Laura Bush why he died.  I'd be pretty upset if my son was killed, too, but Laura didn't stoop to answer her, just let her be dragged off like a criminal.

      Laura Bush was on my permanent shit list long before this, but I hope that this helps clarify for some others what a stupid zombie she is.  Had she stopped, and given the woman a hug, felt her pain for a brief moment, she could have not only done some good but scored those precious political points as well.

      And the people in the room, drowning out the mother's pain by shouting "Four More Years, Four More Years", well, it's just incredible, really.  I guess that they have never lost a child.

      •  This reminds me... (4.00 / 3)

        "Four more years" sounds like the sheep bleating "Four legs good!" in Animal Farm.

        9-11 changed everything? Well, Katrina changed it back.

        by varro on Fri Sep 17, 2004 at 04:26:50 PM PDT

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      •  Never lost a child? (none / 0)

        My guess is that they have no souls. These are people who can't actually love another human being. They so detest the human race that all they can love is a deity. For them, Bush is as near to god as they'll ever know, thus they're love and devotion of him. Luara just about equals the Virgin Mary (cept for that little accident where she killed her ex-boyfriend, don't recall Mary having done anything like that). The twins --who the fuck knows? Cain and Abel in the making?

        Anyway, their lives are hollow. Their families fake. Their future bleak. We need to bury them as a politcal force in this country once and for all.

    •  The usual.... (none / 0)

      Here's more info:

      http://www.cnn.com/2004/US/09/17/bush.protester/index.html

      I love how both Kerry and Dean address(ed) protesters but with the other side, the crown tries to drown out dissent by yelling, "Four more years."

      As the Navajo say, "you can't awaken a man pretending to be asleep."

      "You can't awaken a man who pretends to be asleep."-Navajo saying.

      by quartzite on Fri Sep 17, 2004 at 02:58:48 PM PDT

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    •  Olbermann had it on MSNBC (none / 0)

      They arrested her while she was outside talking to reporters.  Apparently she disrupted Laura's talk, but the tape I saw had her OUTSIDE talking to reporters and goons come up and cuff her and drag her away!  

      Later, talking to reporters, she said she sent a letter to Bush about her son and in return she only got a invitation to support the campaign.

      McCain is not a moderate, a maverick, or a man of integrity.

      by marjo on Fri Sep 17, 2004 at 08:28:53 PM PDT

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  •  NY Times poll impending (none / 0)

    Adam "Smug Asshole" Nagourney to preview on Charlie Rose tonight.
  •  Anyone watching Putin? (none / 0)

    His powergrab is really shocking.  I never really understood why Gen. Clark was such a vocal critic of the U.S. relationship with Putin until now.

    Once KGB; always KGB.

    -Hope never cost Corporate America a dime -Somebody blow Bush so we can impeach him already.

    by DWCG on Fri Sep 17, 2004 at 02:35:51 PM PDT

    •  Watching Putin? The neo-cons are (none / 0)

      Last week, John Laughland of The Guardian exposed the neo-cons' two-faced attitude toward terror, accusing the American Committee for Peace in Chechnya of being soft of terror carried out by the Chechans.

      What makes this story big news is the ACPC's list of "distinguished Americans": Richard Perle, Elliott Abrams, Kenneth Adelman, Midge Decter, Frank Gaffney, Bruce Jackson, Michael Ledeen, and R. James Woolsey.

      John McCain's Straight Talk Express runs on fossil fuels.

      by Dump Terry McAuliffe on Fri Sep 17, 2004 at 02:49:20 PM PDT

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    •  Putin? (none / 0)

      I thought he was a great guy.  After all, Bush looked into his soul.

      Russia, yet another Bush foreign policy failure.

      McCain: Less jobs, more war.

      by Unstable Isotope on Fri Sep 17, 2004 at 04:40:29 PM PDT

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    •  Back in June (none / 0)

      Putin came to Bush's defense when the administration was being criticized by the 9/11 Commission for not establishing a tie between al Qaeda and Iraq. From The Washington Post, 6/19/04 (my emphasis):
      Russian President Vladimir Putin said yesterday that his intelligence service had warned the Bush administration before the U.S. invasion of Iraq that Saddam Hussein's government was planning attacks against U.S. targets both inside and outside the country.

      Putin, who opposed Bush's decision to go to war in Iraq, did not go into detail about the information that was forwarded, and said Russia had no evidence that Hussein was involved in any attacks.

      ...

      Putin's statement came as Bush, Vice President Cheney and other administration officials are defending their statements -- made before the war and as recently as this week -- that Hussein's government had a relationship with Osama bin Laden's al Qaeda organization. Earlier this week, the staff of the commission investigating the Sept. 11, 2001, attacks said there were contacts between Iraq and al Qaeda, "but they do not appear to have resulted in a collaborative relationship."

      And from The Seattle Times, 6/19/04:

      Andrew Kohut, director of the nonpartisan Pew poll, said the Sept. 11 commission reports could boost Bush's standing with voters by reviving memories of the attacks and Bush's response.

      "People think back to those days and they have good memories of Bush," he said.

      Putin's comments yesterday also could help.

      ...

      Sergei Markov, director of Moscow's Institute for Political Studies, said he doesn't doubt Putin's claim. But he questioned the timing of the disclosure.

      The Kremlin, Markov said, sees Democrats as too critical of Russia's record on human rights and democracy. "If John Kerry comes to power, your relations with Russia will be worse than they are now," he said.

      At the time, I wondered what, if anything, Putin might be getting in exchange for coming to Bush's defense in this manner. I guess I don't have to wonder anymore...

      BUSH: Like a rock...but dumber.
      Stewart/Olberman 2008!

      by mugsimo on Fri Sep 17, 2004 at 05:12:36 PM PDT

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  •  New Guard docs coming shortly (none / 0)

    Just announced on CNN.
    •  Did anyone just hear about 41's letter to TANG (none / 1)

      He thanked the Commander for taking interest in a new pilot and promised that W would be "gung-ho"

      I laughed so hard I need clean pants.

      "The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of patriots and tyrants."- Thomas Jefferson

      by RandyMI on Fri Sep 17, 2004 at 02:44:01 PM PDT

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      •  AP article (none / 0)

        "Oh, he gets high, all right, but not from narcotics." Hahahaha

        Officer Wrote Letter to Bush's Father

        Officer Wrote Letter to Bush's Father

        By MATT KELLEY, Associated Press Writer

        WASHINGTON - A packet of Texas Air National Guard records newly released Friday showed that the commanding officer of President Bush (news - web sites)'s basic training unit took a special interest in him as a trainee and wrote to his father to praise his son.

        Bush's father, then a congressman from Texas, said in reply to the commander, "That a major general in the Air Force would take interest in a brand new Air Force trainee made a big impression on me."

        Bush went on to say that his son "will be a gung ho member" of the Air Force and that Air Force instructors had "helped awaken the very best instincts in my son."

        The letter and other material were the latest in a stream of documents released about Bush's service three decades ago during the Vietnam War, when Bush's critics say he got preferential treatment as the son of a congressman and U.N. ambassador. Critics have also questioned why Bush skipped a required medical examination in 1972 and failed to show up for drills during a six-month period that year.

        The White House has said repeatedly that all of Bush's Guard records have been disclosed, only to be embarrassed when new documents have turned up. The long-running story took an unusual turn when CBS uncovered documents purportedly showing that Bush refused orders to take a physical examination in 1972 -- but then the authenticity of the documents came under doubt.

        In addition to the letter from Bush's father, the latest documents contain news releases that the Texas Air National Guard sent to Houston newspapers in 1970 about young Bush, then a second lieutenant and new pilot. "George Bush is one member of the younger generation who doesn't get his kicks from pot or hashish or speed," the news release said. "Oh, he gets high, all right, but not from narcotics."

        Three decades later, a new book by Kitty Kelley has alleged that Bush used cocaine while he was a student at Yale University and later at Camp David while his father was president.


  •  hold him to his words (none / 1)

    relevant bush iraq/foreign policy quotes from the 2000 debates...

    indirect link with direct link inside (cause i'm lazy) bring it on

    This is an administration that's had no plan. And all of a sudden the results of having no plan have caught up with America.

    And finally, whether or not there was an exit strategy. I would take the use of force very seriously. I would be guarded in my approach. I don't think we can be all things to all people in the world. I think we've got to be very careful when we commit our troops. The vice president and I have a disagreement about the use of troops. He believes in nation building. I would be very careful about using our troops as nation builders. I believe the role of the military is to fight and win war and therefore prevent war from happening in the first place.

    You can say you do to the cameras but you don't, unless you've changed your plan.

    It's time to have a leader that doesn't put off tomorrow what we should do today.

    We need to say we each need to be responsible for what we do. People in the highest office of the land must be responsible for decisions they make in life.

    It really depends upon how our nation conducts itself in foreign policy. If we're an arrogant nation, they'll resent us. If we're a humble nation, but strong, they'll welcome us. And it's -- our nation stands alone right now in the world in terms of power, and that's why we have to be humble. And yet project strength in a way that promotes freedom. So I don't think they ought to look at us in any way other than what we are. We're a freedom-loving nation and if we're an arrogant nation they'll view us that way, but if we're a humble nation they'll respect us.

    Started off as a humanitarian mission and it changed into a nation-building mission, and that's where the mission went wrong. The mission was changed. And as a result, our nation paid a price. And so I don't think our troops ought to be used for what's called nation-building. I think our troops ought to be used to fight and win war. I think our troops ought to be used to help overthrow the dictator when it's in our best interests. But in this case it was a nation-building exercise, and same with Haiti. I wouldn't have supported either.

    Our military is meant to fight and win war. That's what it's meant to do. And when it gets overextended, morale drops.

    I'm not so sure the role of the United States is to go around the world and say this is the way it's got to be.

    And my case to the American people is, if you're happy with inactivity, stay with the horse. The horse is up there now.

    I think credibility is important. It is going to be important for the president to be credible with Congress, important for the president to be credible with foreign nations.

    And the exit strategy needs to be well-defined. I'm concerned that we're overdeployed around the world. See, I think the mission has somewhat become fuzzy. Should I be fortunate enough to earn your confidence, the mission of the United States military will be to be prepared and ready to fight and win war. And therefore prevent war from happening in the first place.

    Spending money is one thing. But spending money without a strategic plan can oftentimes be wasted. First thing I'm going to do is ask the Secretary of Defense to develop a plan so we are making sure we're not spending our money on political projects, but on projects to make sure our soldiers are well-paid, well-housed, and have the best equipment in the world.

    if ron reagan dyed his hair, and i'm not sayin' he did, it was only to show his strength to the communists - hank hill

    by leif on Fri Sep 17, 2004 at 02:37:35 PM PDT

  •  Any word out of Florida on Nader? (none / 0)

    The ability to quote is a serviceable substitute for wit. Somerset Maugham

    by verasoie on Fri Sep 17, 2004 at 02:41:23 PM PDT

    •  Latest from Reuters (none / 0)

      "The Florida Supreme Court was expected to rule late on Friday, or possibly on Saturday, about whether Nader will be allowed to compete in the U.S. presidential race in Florida as a Reform Party candidate, possibly boosting Bush's chances once more in the battleground state."

      by paperbag on