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I'm a republican. Fuck you.

I'm a republican. I have my own pile of money.  Fuck you.

I'm a republican.  My kids go to private school. I don't care about your kids, or public schools. When my kids are better educated than yours, they will get better jobs and make more money than your kids. Fuck you.

I'm a republican. I have a job with health insurance. If you were not so lazy or stupid, you would have a good job with health insurance too. It sure is sad when you go bankrupt after a catastrophic health crisis, but its probably your own damn fault anyway. Fuck you.

I'm a republican. I'm a Christian. You are either a heathen, a raghead Muslim, or the wrong kind of Christian. Fuck you.

I'm a republican. I'm going to heaven and you're going to hell. Fuck you.

I'm a republican. It is not only my right, it's my duty to spread freedom and democracy around the world.  If you don't understand that, Fuck you.

I'm a republican. I have a condo in Vail, a summer home in Maine, and a beach house in Florida.  We don't need any National Parks or protected forests. Fuck you.

I'm a republican. I'm white. I'm perfect, and I'm not like all those brown, yellow and black people. Fuck you.

I'm a republican. I live in a gated community. It's too bad about all the crime out there on the city streets, but that's your problem.  Fuck you.

I'm a republican. I hate taxes. Its my money.  I earned it.  I don't want to pay to support all you lazy, uneducated, pathetic poor people, least of all you teenage mothers (whores), you drug addicts and all you black boys. Fuck you.

I'm a republican. I hate homosexuals.  When I think of gay people, I think of of man-on-dog, horse on woman, threesomes, and other sexual fantasies, and that frightens me.  If you are queer, or have a queer friend, Fuck you.

I'm a republican. I was born rich, and I've become more rich, and damn it, since I can't take it all with me, I'm going to make sure my kids are just as stinking rich. Fuck you.

I'm a republican.  I'm never wrong.  I know everything, never make a mistake, and can't learn anything from you, you damn ignorant pussy democrats.  Fuck you.

I'm a republican. My rights and civil liberties should be protected, but not yours, you terrorist loving, America hating, pansy liberal.  Fuck you.

I'm a republican. I hate you and everything you Democrats stand for, you fucking communists. Fuck you.

Rage, rage, rage against the lying right.
Damn that felt good! Do you have anything to add?

Originally posted to Sue in NH on Sun Feb 06, 2005 at 02:02 PM PST.

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  •  HA! (none)
    I love it!! Great Diary

    I say Fuck You to republicans all the time :-)

    "Truth is like the sun. You can shut it out for a time, but it ain't goin' away." Elvis Presley

    by ScrewJack on Sun Feb 06, 2005 at 02:01:09 PM PST

    •  just a FEW more (3.72)
      I was responsible for destroying public housing in this country. I'm creating an ownership society--FUCK YOU.

      I was responsible for turning back the clock on environmental legislation while at the same time giving it names like "Clean Air Act" to fool and propagandize an already clueless-as-shit electorate--FUCK YOU.

      I am responsible for the droves of American Muslims that shiver when they hear a knock at the door, shiver when the FBI opens an investigation file on their business/charity, shiver every time they're in an airport, just plain shiver every time they fucking wake up--FUCK YOU.

      I was responsible for leaking the name of a CIA operative--just for kicks--and fucking her entire life over--FUCK YOU.

      I make it hard for gays to be gay. I make it hard for women to be women. I make it hard for Blacks to be Black. I make it hard for Latinos and Latinas to be Latinos and Latinas--I wait until they get into court and then I take their civil liberties that they thought they had and then show them what they really got--nothing--FUCK YOU.

      I started the AEI. The Cato Institute. The Federalist Society. The Heritage Foundation. I started these places as a home for scholars that were too distanced from reality to teach at--er-colleges. So...now they advise the President. Hehe--FUCK YOU.

      I blog on Little Green Fucktards, Insta-ass, the Volokh Conspiracy, anything with "Appeal" in the name (Southern Appeal, How Appealing, fucking name it, us conservatives and libertarians love appellate court--gives us a chance to make law from the bench, just like we accuse you guys of doing)--and literally make shit up and then blog about it--FUCK YOU.

      I was responsible for eroding the estate tax (something our founding fathers treasured so as not to create a landed gentry in our great nation) so that my kids, their kids, and everyone else with my last name will get a chance to be a bunch of rich, undeserving fucks like me who will never understand the plight of the poor due to their utter removal from reality and thus support the same stances I supported in my life. FUCK YOU.

      I own you--FUCK YOU.

      •  check the demos (1.25)
        Interesting set of FU's. I'm sure you feel a whole lot better now.

        But what is puzzling, given the clear disdain of the FU republican crowd for every income and educational demo other its own, is that the FU republicans managed to carry nearly every income and educational demo.

        Kerry did carry the high school dropout and grad school educational demos and the under $30000 income demo, but the FU republicans walked away with all the others.

        Given all the republican FU's, why, do you suppose, it worked out that way.

        •  I'd be happy to engage you, but... (none)
          I'm not catching what a demo is. Let me know.
        •  there's something wrong (none)
          with kansas.

          the point is that the FU republicans propagandize and pick off single issue voters to maintain power.  The FU republicans screw over the same people that vote for them.

          and to you nyctex, uid:41030 and this as your first comment, i'm going to guess that we'll see your name appear with more and more patronizing and trollish comments in the near future.  

          Fuck you!

          America would have been better off with four 8 years of Ralph Wiggum

          by LeftCoaster on Sun Feb 06, 2005 at 06:06:21 PM PST

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          •  Ah, Perception! (none)
            Something wrong with Kansas? Bullshit.

            Kansas (and the folks there) is what it is, and it will be what it will be. Do we need a little transactional analysis here? (Solomon for you who are too young, or perhaps far too old to remember) Kansas is OKAY. If anybody's not OKAY, the answer would be most likely found in the mirror.

            Lakoff has the answer to what's the matter with the way we've tried to do political bid'ness in Kansas. It has nothing to do with moving toward the ephemeral center, nor does it suggest that the folks in Kansas are too stupid to know better.

            There isn't anything wrong with Kansas. (Then again, Utah, I'm not so sure about ...)

            vote early - vote often

            by wystler on Sun Feb 06, 2005 at 08:23:16 PM PST

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            •  Actually, there IS something wrong with Kansas (3.60)
              Actually, there is something wrong with Kansas, in the sense that voters in Kansas have been mislead by a false movement.  Thomas Frank calls the movement "The Great Backlash," and does an admirable job of exposing it.  He says the movement is built on the anger of working-class people in places like Kansas, who have been taught to see class not as an economic issue but a cultural issue.  'Those snobby liberals want to impose all their crazy ideas like abortion and gay marriage on us average Americans, but we're not going to let them,' they say.  This has been the great coup of the Republican Party, to construct this false framework in which they represent average Americans (culturally, that is).  To quote Frank,

              "Anti-intellectualism is one of the grand unifying themes of the backlash, the mutant strain of class war that underpins so many of Kansas's otherwise random-seeming grievances."

              The Democratic Party has played right into the Republican's strategy, too:

              "Democratic political strategy simply assumes that people know where their economic interest lies and that they will act on it by instinct... the gigantic error in all this is that people don't spontaneously understand their situation in the great sweep of things."

              If this 'movement' seems paradoxical to you, you're not alone.  It's built on a series of contradictions which haven't yet gotten in the way of the success of the movement:

              "American conservatism depends for its continued dominance and even for its very existence on people never making certain mental connections about the world... for example, the connection between mass culture, most of which conservatives hate, and laissez-faire capitalism, which they adore without reservation.  Or between the small towns they profess to love and the market forces that are slowly grinding those small towns back into the red-state dust - which forces they praise in the most exalted terms."

              Some have likened the Backlash movement to a political fantasy, in which people who have no real power in this world are made to feel that they are making a difference in the battle to save America's culture (from the crazy liberals - media, Hollywood celebrities, etc.).

              So yes, there is a problem with Kansas.  I only hope it is a problem we can solve before it's too late.  For as Frank writes,

              "Even if the state must sacrifice it all - its cities and its industry, its farms and its small towns, all its thoughts and all its doings - the brilliance of the mirage will not fade.  Kansas is ready to lead us singing into the apocalypse."

              By the way, all the quotes here are taken from Frank's book "What's the Matter with Kansas?," which I would recommend to everyone.  It's a purchase you absolutely will not regret.
               

              •  very well put... (none)
                thanks for getting my back on that one... glad you posted it seperately as a diary too (which I've recc'd)..

                America would have been better off with four 8 years of Ralph Wiggum

                by LeftCoaster on Mon Feb 07, 2005 at 04:56:43 AM PST

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              •  I Agree Almost Entirely ... (none)
                ... but it's the premise that something's wrong with Kansas. You (and Frank and Lakoff) nailed the problem - that the Democrats were sucked right in to laundry-list politics that depends on people voting their self interests.  But Frank (and you), by posing that KANSAS is the problem, help to perpetuate the myth that the voters themselves have the problem. They don't.

                George Lakoff resolves this elegantly, and correctly (imho) by proposing that people vote their identity.

                • Democrats use focus groups and create laundry lists of government policy, while Frank Lunz works at a deeper level, by testing at the gut level.
                • While Democrats say they're for prescription drugs, healthcare for kids, and are pro-choice, Republicans clearly and concisely state their values: self reliance, the free market, freedom, family values.

                The GOP has managed to become dominant because the voter - whether in Kansas, Alabama, or New Jersey - votes his/her values-based identity. The Republicans have spent years researching, personal network building, and marketing their core beliefs. The Democrats peddle a laundry list based on opinion polls. The citizenry asks, not impertinently, what do the Democrats stand for? And we, until recently, all dutifully recited a hodgepodge of legislative intiatives, as well as reinforcing the GOP's frame by attempting to negate it.

                Even now, some Dem officeholders and many of the participants in the nascent netroots, fail to "get it". They fail to understand that "Social Security is not in crisis" is damned near the worst thing anybody on our side can say. (if you don't understand why that is, you need a heavy dose of Lakoff)

                Kansas is not going to lead us anywhere. If we give their voters a true reason to follow (K. Sibelius), they will. If, however, we keep sending them folks who "... voted for the $87 billion before I voted against it ...", though, there should be no reason to wonder. And the fault, benji-wise, lies not with Kansas, but with us.

                vote early - vote often

                by wystler on Mon Feb 07, 2005 at 10:25:38 AM PST

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                •  I agree (none)
                  I think we agree in general about this.  Your analysis above seems right to me.  My only quibble is that I do believe there is something "wrong" with Kansas when so many people are voting for politicians who continue to enact legislation that screws them.  But I agree that blaming the voters themselves is not useful.  We must simply understand the situation, with the help of people like Frank and Lakoff, and develop our own strategy and "frame" for persuading these people.
        •  Not quite correct (none)
          Bush carried the over $50,000 crowd. Those income groups under $50,000 went to Kerry. The under $50,000 has a majority of the population, but the over $50,000 voted in greater numbers and thus bush is still the president.

          Don't Panic - Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy

          by slatsg on Sun Feb 06, 2005 at 06:09:10 PM PST

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          •  Under and over $50,000 (none)
            That sounds pretty simple. Every voter who makes over $50,000 voted for Bush; every voter who makes under $50,000 voted for Kerry; there is a higher proportion of voters in the over-$50,000 group, so Bush won. Now, what are the actual numbers? It's two distributions, one of income versus percent voting, another of income versus fraction voting for Bush. What's your source?
        •  How about: (none)
          "I espouse the Karl Rove philosophy..F*** YOU!"

          "Those who forget the past are doomed to repeat it."--Miguel De Santa Anna

          by GainesT1958 on Sun Feb 06, 2005 at 07:08:53 PM PST

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        •  I'd need to see some numbers (none)
          to buy that.

          What is most interesting is that Bush won by the largest margins in the states that represent the bottom 15 of the public education system.

          So if what you're trying to say is that he won each demographic group, methinks you are FOS.

        •  I'm confused. (none)
          You say that Kerry carried the high school dropout and grad school educational demos, but the republicans carried nearly every educational demo.  

          How can both of those statements be true?

          Beyond that, I looked up the exit polls.  Kerry also carried the $30,000 - $50,000 group.  Next time you troll, get your facts right.

          http://www.cnn.com/ELECTION/2004/pages/results/states/US/P/00/epolls.0.html

        •  Plenty of high-income, highly-educated people (none)
          in New England who voted HAPPILY for Kerry, so fuck you.
          •  and in Pennsylvania, New Jersey (none)
            and in the older more civilized states(and the left coasters who are by definition more civilized and intelligent)

            so triple fuck you!  Those of us who live in one of the original 13 should get to vote twice, just like the red staters!

            It's a bell curve for a reason, people want to vote for someone who is as big a loser as they are.  Bush (take some more 'roids boys, it's good for the team) is already going down in history as one of the very worst presidents we've ever seen.

            All those who believe in psychokinesis raise my hand. Steven Wright

            by Sargent Pepper on Mon Feb 07, 2005 at 07:49:49 AM PST

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  •  re (none)
    I fucking loved your diary.

    "Steve Holt!"- Steve Holt

    by cookiesandmilk on Sun Feb 06, 2005 at 02:01:22 PM PST

    •  re (4.00)
      No, seriously, i really fucking loved this thread...

      This is not about hating Rethugs folks. This about framing and use their own fucking hypocrisy against them.

      Shame is the tool of the new century. And the best ways to shame someone is to hand them their hypocrisy on a silver platter.

      Sue in NH for Secretary of Re-Education!

      "Steve Holt!"- Steve Holt

      by cookiesandmilk on Sun Feb 06, 2005 at 03:25:09 PM PST

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  •  I apologize in advance if I've missed something... (3.20)
    but is this really necessary?
    •  re (4.00)
      Yes.

      "Steve Holt!"- Steve Holt

      by cookiesandmilk on Sun Feb 06, 2005 at 02:04:36 PM PST

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      •  Clarification (4.00)
        Having grown up in New York, using the "f" word is, in fact, second nature for me.

        Having been born out west and having lived here for more than the past 20 years (mostly in a very small community), using the "f" word in public discussion is usually unnecessary and unwarranted.

        "Cheney You" could have replaced "fuck you" in every instance without diminishing the meaning or effect of the post.

        In any case, for those who disagree with my sentiment: Fuck You.

        (Otherwise, please don't troll rate me; I'm already super low on mojo.)

        •  What the fuck are you on? (4.00)
          If it's so "second nature" then why is it fucking bothering you so fucking much?

          Yeah, and I bet a lot of your closest friends are gay, right?

          The Republican Party has become the Fascist Party.

          by TX Unmuzzled on Sun Feb 06, 2005 at 03:49:18 PM PST

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        •  "cheney you..." (none)
          ...that's just awesome.  I've never been comfortable with the f word, but I can definitely start telling people to Cheney off, from now on.

          "In the evening of life we shall be judged on love." -Oscar Romero

          by sparrowsong on Sun Feb 06, 2005 at 09:48:42 PM PST

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    •  How about (none)
      I hate you because I can and it's sooo naughty. Will you spank me now? Pleeeasssse
    •  Let her vent, let her vent! (4.00)
      I think it's healthy to express it in public form every once in awhile.  

      Considering that freepers talk about taking out liberals with Uzis, this is pretty tame.

      •  There is no 'venting.' (none)
        The concept of venting is based upon a faulty assumption about emtional states, a sort of hydraulic model. Thus, if you do this sort of thing, you'll feel better because it releases tension.

        No. You'll learn that it feels good to do this sort of thing, ie, you're rehearsing a type of response to frustration (aggression, essentially). That just means, in the future, you'll be more likely to behave aggressively when you're frustrated because, in the past, that's what you did and it felt GOOD.

        I'm not saying that it doesn't feel good. But that doesn't mean it's good for you. And it certainly doesn't mean that it does any good.

    •  no, not really (4.00)
      It truly is pretty offensive.  And I don't blame you for calling me on it.

      But for once, I'm taking a break from being an understanding, compassionate liberal, trying always to see the possible good and pure motivations behind what republicans do.  

      Maybe there are no good intentions. Maybe their actions are motivated only by greed and selfishness.

      Just experimenting with a different perspective.  Thank you for your patience.

      I think the burden is on those people who think he didn't have weapons of mass destruction to tell the world where they are.     Ari Fleischer 7/9/2003

      by Sue in NH on Sun Feb 06, 2005 at 02:07:53 PM PST

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      •  bah (4.00)
        I'm compassionate to those who are compassionate, fuck a republican. I don't give a shit about that party and cannot wait until the day they are no more.

        So to all the republicans out there I say FUCK YOU from your liberal compassionate friend ScrewJack.

        Don't feel bad they deserve it. :-)

        "Truth is like the sun. You can shut it out for a time, but it ain't goin' away." Elvis Presley

        by ScrewJack on Sun Feb 06, 2005 at 02:12:00 PM PST

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      •  SUE IN NH's TIP JAR ABOVE n/t (none)

        What an excellent day for an Exorcism.... Social Security THERE IS NO CRISIS!

        by DianeL on Sun Feb 06, 2005 at 02:15:49 PM PST

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      •  bingo (4.00)
        Maybe there are no good intentions. Maybe their actions are motivated only by greed and selfishness.

        although I would add that the motivations aren't limited to greed and selfishness.

        "...the definition of a gaffe in Washington is somebody who tells the truth but shouldn't have." Howard Dean

        by colleen on Sun Feb 06, 2005 at 02:36:39 PM PST

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        •  Can't get a country tune outta my head (none)
          We Need a Whole Lot More of Rockridge, and Alot Less FUCK YOU (apologies to Linda Ronstadt)

          Admittedly, a serious effort would have me working feverishly on lyrics, but this diary's got me all riled up ...

          vote early - vote often

          by wystler on Sun Feb 06, 2005 at 08:33:44 PM PST

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      •  Blanket fuck you (3.71)
        I don't want to be hated for being a democrat, so I don't want to hate people just because they are republican.  Why lump them together?  We will need those who do think their party is driving them off a cliff and we should welcome them.

        Attack the issues and the leaders, not the party.

        •  Don' t you see (none)
          that they lumped themselves together when they voted for King George? We will welcome them when they are forced over the cliff. Hell, we're close to standing at the bottom of it anyway, and I'm sure that those of us that are left with any blankets will stretch them out to catch them as they plummit.
          If we have any food left, I'm sure we will share it...if they will only whisper through their cracked and bleeding lips..."I am not a <cough> Fucking Republican."

          I may be thinking about taking the Bus, but I'm not taking the Omnibus, no sir, thanks, I'll walk.

          by emmasnacker on Sun Feb 06, 2005 at 09:38:03 PM PST

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      •  this diary... (none)
        Made me miss Theoria.

        Hope you enjoyed the rant and thanks for the giggle!

        Sorry, I have nothing else to add to this conversation.

        by DawnG on Sun Feb 06, 2005 at 02:56:48 PM PST

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      •  I liked this diary Sue, (4.00)
        its a great release diary and it really gives one a "in a nutshell" perspective of a lot of Republicans views here in America.  Heres a few more  lol.
        I drive a Hummer cause its (I'm) cool and I can, so fuck you.
        I can use all the gas I want to cause I'm rich and I don't have to worry about any war or draft cause my kids aren't fighting it, so fuck you.
        I don't give a ratshit about what the rest of the world thinks of us cause I'm from America and we are better then anyone else.  Look at how much better we live (i.e. we are better at raping the earth, so we deserve all the resources we can use), so fuck you.

        Thanks Sue, that was kind of fun to get that out.

    •  i don't know what you've missed (4.00)
      this is basically a gratuitous exercise called making a strawman & setting it on fire. the republicans are expert at this. totally unnecessary & totally recommended.

      i'm an agnostic, i'd be an atheist if it weren't for mozart

      by rasbobbo on Sun Feb 06, 2005 at 02:08:54 PM PST

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    •  YES (none)
      The Republican Party is reaping the seed it has allowed to be sown by their own representatives.

      What an excellent day for an Exorcism.... Social Security THERE IS NO CRISIS!

      by DianeL on Sun Feb 06, 2005 at 02:13:08 PM PST

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    •  I Know (4.00)
      I felt better just reading it.

      "It's been headed this way since the World began, when a vicious creature made the jump from Monkey to Man."--Elvis Costello

      by BigOkie on Sun Feb 06, 2005 at 02:43:43 PM PST

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    •  No, but... (4.00)
       >> but is this really necessary? <<

      Should we limit ourselves to only those things which are necessary?  No, let loose once in a while.  Act Vice-presidential.  Fuck you <g>.

    •  What did you miss? (4.00)
      I think it was a sense of humor.

      I realize that it's hard to maintain one in these times of political drought, but we'll survive -- well we have a pretty good chance to survive --- Uhh.. I hope we survive...

      MOMMIE!!! I'm scared.

      From the lower, left quadrant of the political compass (www.politicalcompass.org), DrKen

      by DrKen on Sun Feb 06, 2005 at 03:17:51 PM PST

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    •  What is good in life? (4.00)
      "...what is good in life?"

      "To crush the republicans, to drive them before you, and to hear the lamentations of their special interests and media enablers..."

    •  Maybe it is (none)
      In a way it is just calling it like it is. That is pretty much what the Republicans are telling the world, sometimes in so many words (Cheny!). THey have a mask of "compassion" which is so BS...but  what they really are saying is "fuck you." Maybe it it has to be said clearly and boldly.

      Delenda est Sinclair! http://www.dkosopedia.com/index.php/Sinclair_Broadcast_Group

      by mole333 on Sun Feb 06, 2005 at 03:57:26 PM PST

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    •  So I'm in one of those big box book stores (4.00)
      and there's a cardboard cutout picture of Sean Hannity over a pile of toilet paper otherwise known as his book, where he calls me a terrorist right there on the cover. So I flip the bird to the goddamn cutout right there in the bookstore. Made some people stop and look, and hopefully think just a little. So yeah, it's fucking necessary.
    •  I would say (none)
      That it absolutely is.

      Necessary.

      "Our lives begin to end the day we become silent about things that matter." ~Martin Luther King, Jr

      by SarahLee on Mon Feb 07, 2005 at 08:25:22 PM PST

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  •  add one more.... (4.00)
    I'm not rich yet, but I want to be. and when I am... Fuck you.
  •  So how do you feel about Joe (none)
    So how do you feel about Joe Lieberman?

    Accountability moment, my ass!

    by orthogonal on Sun Feb 06, 2005 at 02:04:33 PM PST

  •  Mrs. Betty Bowers? Is that you? (4.00)
  •  This is fun (3.85)
    I support the troops, didn't you see the yellow ribbon on my Humvee?  Fuck you.

    "He who passively accepts evil is as much involved in it as he who helps to perpetuate it." -- Dr. Martin Luther King, Jr.

    by sgilman on Sun Feb 06, 2005 at 02:08:00 PM PST

  •  Love this (none)
    Despite the fact that I just posted a complimentary post regarding House member Ron Paul (R TX), here: even conservatives worry about Fascism, by teacherken, your Diary reflects the image the MAJORITY of Republican members of Congress have wrought upon themselves, in that sense, they deserve the thoughts expressed in your Diary.

    RECOMMENDED

    What an excellent day for an Exorcism.... Social Security THERE IS NO CRISIS!

    by DianeL on Sun Feb 06, 2005 at 02:08:50 PM PST

  •  Fuckin' A- Must be something in the NH air (none)
    I wrote a 'depressing diary earlier  Political Malaise and I'm from NH, but yours made me laugh!!
  •  You must have... (4.00)
    interviewed my neighbors for this piece...

    May I add:  I helped clean up a kid's party at the neighbors.  After gathering up the empty 2-liters I asked "Where is your recycle bin? Her snide response: "I leave recycling to Democrats and tree huggers."  

    Thus:  I have complete contempt for the environment. Fuck You.

    •  LOL! (none)
      I had a boyfriend once who had vehemently Republican parents.  I asked him once why they didn't recycle, and he replied that they probably thought it was a Communist plot.  He was only half kidding.
    •  re (none)
       "I leave recycling to Democrats and tree huggers."  

      Wow.

      Congrats to you on your restraint. They would have had to call the police to stop me from going verbally medieval on her buttocks..

      "Steve Holt!"- Steve Holt

      by cookiesandmilk on Sun Feb 06, 2005 at 02:14:54 PM PST

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      •  Hmmm ...buttocks... (4.00)
        great place for the 2 liters!  Shoulda thought of that...
      •  Only verbally? (4.00)
        Why not recycle them?

        Fighting for peace is like fucking for virginity, only not as much fun.

        by Toktora on Sun Feb 06, 2005 at 02:29:26 PM PST

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      •  A co-worker (4.00)
        told me a story about a friend of his whose husband had just died.  A strange woman showed up at the funeral and told her, "I don't know why you're crying, your husband is in Hell."  Apparently, not the "right kind" of Christian.

        Friends escorted the woman away.  That is a truly evil woman.  I still can't believe that story.

        I'm a member of a minority group: the reality-based community.

        by Unstable Isotope on Sun Feb 06, 2005 at 02:56:35 PM PST

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        •  I can beat that (4.00)
          And I swear by all that I hold sacred that it's true.

          Sitting on the -- must have been the D or the Q -- one morning, within two weeks of 9/11.

          Woman sitting next to me is reading some sort of religious tract. She's dressed in what I tend to think of as an "arty" fashion. Long loose brown hair, minimal makeup, flowing skirt.

          She notices me noticing what she's reading and turns to me:

          She: Do you know how many people died in the World Trade Towers?

          Me: <bewildered silence>

          She: Do you know more babies are killed every day by abortionists?

          Me: <angry> What's your point?

          Hostile silence until I got off at 34th St.

          I seriously thought about spitting on her book. Or stepping hard "accidentally" on her foot as I got up. I didn't do any of that, but I can still feel the absolute rage and contempt she engendered in me.

          •  I truly wish I couldn't- (4.00)
            -but, sadly, I can beat that.

            My Steadfast Republican, Lifetime Military, Radical Christian uncle advised my grandmother, his mother, on her deathbed and mere hours before she passed, that she had best repent while she could or she would surely be going to hell.

            In a way, I am thankful I was not actually in the room. If I had, I'm sure unbridled rage would have been a mild description. My mother only told me after the funeral. I don't think I have felt such loathing for another human being before, and certainly hope I never do again.

            The instant dismissal of any thought not directly in line with his as atheistic, softheaded liberal commie bullshit I had come to expect. This was a conceptual gap that left me convinced I was dealing with an alien species.

            My Party, my Balls, my God are bigger and better than yours, so die and burn forever. Fuck You.

            •  If it is any consolation (4.00)
              If your grandmother was a kind and loving woman who cared deeply for her children, regardless of how rude they were to her, I have no doubt she let it pass without much hurt - she had more pressing concerns at that moment than her boneheaded son just being himself.

              Big Media is hated by the GOP because they sometimes tell the truth. We should hate Big Media for the other 97 percent of the time when they don't.

              by Ugluks Flea on Sun Feb 06, 2005 at 05:59:08 PM PST

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            •  Ugh... (none)
              And sorry.

              I probably shouldn't have introduced the element of "can you top this?" to the dialogue, and for that I apologize to both you and Unstable Isotope.

              It's amazing (in the mind-boggling sense), what the self-righteous can bring themselves to say, and do.

              •  Apologies for the seeming non sequitur (none)
                To anyone following this thread.

                Hey elveta -- I just wanted to bring you over to this thread because I don't think pastor-dan's post is the place to have this discussion.

                I'm sorry if it offends you to have it here since this thread seemed to disturb you but it would be even stranger to have it in another unrelated thread entirely. And I also don't like the idea of having it in pastor dan's thread -- think it runs counter to the tone that's building.

                And, full disclosure, I should point out that I've posted here, because I share the anger that many feel, but I've also posted in pastor dan's thread because I appreciate his intent.

                What it boiles down to is that think both diaries are valid and can coexist on this site.

                Basically, too much bile spewing and anger (and not enough action) -- not good, I agree.
                Conversely, too much love and forgiveness and understanding (and not enough spine and anger, as appropriate) -- also not good.

                Embrace the dichotomy. Or experience the contact high of mild cognitive dissonance if the two positions seem too antithetical too coexist. Or, whatever. But I think it's a mistake to characterize venting as simple-minded hate. Not that there may not be examples of hate, and simple-minded hate at that, but the vast majority is blowing off steam (and creating a feeling of solidarity), which is not such a bad thing,especially in the face of the kind of hate that is directed at us.

                Just my .02

              •  Just hit a spot (4.00)
                It was mind-boggling. And certainly not the sort of thing I would normally bring into public discourse. But it struck a nerve, having happened about 2 years ago now but still fresh. And I didn't think anyone was trying for one-up-manship in the realm of where "the opposition" will go, but I did think it was an indicative illustration of the, I believe, unsound depths of their ideology.

                She had a life long interest in other types of spiritual thought. Perhaps that's where her son thought she was damned. By all accounts, a proper Catholic who had an inquisitive mind and raised a passel of kids as a divorced mother during the 40's  and 50's. Entirely devoted to her children and grandchildren, even if her lessons seemed overly stern to us. She grew up in Brooklyn (10 years old in '29). Shared a pair of old galoshes (well tied together) with 3 brothers to go to school 1 day each, for 3 years. And ran away at 16 from parents who were intolerable.

                Maybe not the place for an elegy, but no matter.  She was the strongest, most resilient, most intelligently compassionate person I have ever met in person. She believed in justice, perservered when, over and over, she was told all was lost. She was and is my role model, and I can only hope I can maintain that spirit.

                In the end, after 30 years of doctors saying she  had at most 6 months, she decided, herself, it was time. She'd been read her last rites any number of times, and felt it adequate. Which was why I felt so primarily angry when I heard about my uncles statement. Can't a fundamentally good person die with dignity without an idealogue telling them that everything they have struggled for over the better part of a century is for nought if they don't agree with their particular view? It still makes me white-knuckled with anger.

                But that's why, even if I don't often speak, I frequent this place. I can get ideas, that I can  institute as I can in my community, that might just direct things towards what I have been taught, and believe to be right. Or, at the very least, not completely wrong.  I know what actual compassion is.

                •  Compassion is the key (none)
                  She was graced with it, and her son was not.

                  That self-righteous streak we find in our opposition is akin to selfishness -- it's an inability to see beyond their own lives, and a delight, or a need, to see themselves as right.

                  There's usually no attempt to teach, or lead gently, to a different conclusion. It's do it my way, or else. "I'm only doing it for your own good."

                  My dad was born in '29 (in Queens) so he doesn't remember as much of the Great Depression as your grandmother did. But he certainly remembers some of it. As does my mom ('32).

    •  That's one of the best UID I've seen. n/t (none)

      "He who passively accepts evil is as much involved in it as he who helps to perpetuate it." -- Dr. Martin Luther King, Jr.

      by sgilman on Sun Feb 06, 2005 at 02:38:57 PM PST

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    •  My friend, while visiting his evangelical sister, (4.00)
      finished a can of soda and asked her:

      "Where do you put your recycling?"

      His teenaged (and home-schooled) niece looked to her mother and said, "what's recycling?"

      The mother replied, "When Jesus comes back, he's gonna build us a whole new world. We don't have to worry about recycling."

      This is a true story.

      "We come in the age's most uncertain hours and sing an American tune..." Paul Simon

      by mxwing on Sun Feb 06, 2005 at 04:39:23 PM PST

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    •  Wow... (none)
      Her snide response: "I leave recycling to Democrats and tree huggers."

      Astounding. The contempt your neighbors have toward their fellow American citizens' health is certainly noteworthy, but perhaps even more so is their own self-destructive streak. As if simply not being a "treehugger" were enough to protect oneself and one's chldren from mercury poisoning, to give just one example.

      That we are to stand by the president, right or wrong is not only unpatriotic and servile, but is morally treasonable to the American public. ~Teddy Roosevelt

      by assyrian64 on Sun Feb 06, 2005 at 07:16:57 PM PST

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    •  Well... (4.00)
      Those separate bins ARE kind of a hassle!

      Perhaps you should begin tossing your recycling items into their back yard. Maybe their yappy mutt will bleed to death after gnawing on a Coke bottle!

    •  Amazing (none)
      I recycle cans, and not really for enviromental reasons, either: I drink enough soda that when I take them to recycling center, I get ten or twenty bucks back, at least.  I thought making money was a Republican trait? :-P
  •  I'm not a Republican, (3.84)
    but my dad was. He wasn't Christian. He had one small house. It was not in a gated community. He didn't hate homosexuals. He often admitted to being wrong. He cried when he watched Apocalypse Now. He was never rich. He paid his taxes and collected disability checks from the Social Security Administration. I could go on. Fuck you.
    •  Republicans I Knew Like That (4.00)
      Republicans I knew like that vote Democratic now.

      After The Rapture, we get all of their stuff.

      by bink on Sun Feb 06, 2005 at 02:16:21 PM PST

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    •  re (4.00)
      The republicans of our father's age were TOTALLY different types of republicans. Being smart enough to visit this site, I would think you know the true difference and gather she was not talking about the Rs of our father's age...but instead of the selfish f@cks that have led our sons and daughters to war on a lie and now seek to destroy the very institution of Social Security that you, I and your father supported.

      "Steve Holt!"- Steve Holt

      by cookiesandmilk on Sun Feb 06, 2005 at 02:19:01 PM PST

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    •  Knew I would offend some (4.00)
      This diary is not about reasonable, thoughtful, regular, old fashioned republicans like your Dad  (and several of my relatives.)

      Its about the new version we are currently up against, that has hijacked this nation.

      Its sort of awkward to put a disclaimer in every rant.  I apologize for offending you.  (I can't seem to get over that soft hearted liberal thing... you know, willingness to take responsibility for my actions and their consequences, compassion for the feelings of others...)

      I think the burden is on those people who think he didn't have weapons of mass destruction to tell the world where they are.     Ari Fleischer 7/9/2003

      by Sue in NH on Sun Feb 06, 2005 at 02:21:08 PM PST

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      •  disclaimers (4.00)
        I am pretty tired of people becoming oh so offended when those on the left actually show that they are ready to fight.

        What is wrong with everyone?

        Carlysle Group?
        Carnivore?
        Eschaton?
        PATRIOT Act?

        WAKE UP PEOPLE.  The war that is at hand has nothing to do with our diction, our discourse, or the breadth of our discussions.

        Please.  Vent.  Early and often, and hope to hell it wakes someone, somewhere out of their slumber.  I have kids, you know?

        This isn't an exercise in philosophy anymore.  This isn't about laying out arguments or ensuring that both sides have equal say.

        It's not going to be some pretty transfer of power with flags and diplomats and some super jumbo prawns in an exclusive UN luncheon.

        ~570 billionaires.
        6.1+ billion of us.

        Stop bitching.
        Start a revolution.

        •  Venting (none)
          is not fighting.

          I don't think we should be too interested in outventing the freepers.  I doubt we'll win, and if we do, we've still lost.

          I think you said it best:

          Stop Bitching
          Start a Revolution

          The problem of power is how to achieve its responsible use rather than its irresponsible and indulgent use JFK

          by Responsible on Sun Feb 06, 2005 at 03:38:30 PM PST

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          •  you are right (none)
            I should have said:

            "I am pretty tired of people becoming oh so offended when those on the left actually show that they are ready to complain.

            Since, that's all the majority ever does."

            God forbid we cut the billioanires off their precious addiction.

      •  No way - no apology needed (4.00)
        My mother is an old fashioned Republican too. Actually, the only reason she became a Republican was to prove that she was one step above her seven brothers and sisters who were all fairly poor and never left the city for the suburbs. If you asked her describe what Republicans stand for, she'd be hard pressed to name one thing. She lives entirely off of social security and is not religious. And I tell her "fuck you" all the time when it comes to politics.
      •  Sue: Don't apologize. (4.00)
        Ever hear Bush apologize for anything at all? What about Cheney? Frist? Delay? Rush? ANY OF THOSE FUCKING ANTI-AMERICAN FASCIST BASTARDS?

        Now, to be very rational about it all, not every Republican is consumed with greed or self-interest, and is biased to the point of hatred against everyone else in the entire fucking world. Some are just woefully uninformed or apathetic. Some are actually well-meaning, but have just been completely bamboozled by the constant lies of the elected Republicans that they stupidly voted for and stupidly think should be wothy of their trust.

        Generally, however, you have absolutely nailed the mentality of the majority of Republicans. Great job.

      •  I'm so glad I grew up in Bklyn (4.00)
           In Brooklyn people say Fuck so much that nobody is really bothered by it.  The whole rest of the United States has pathetically thin skin in IMO.  Loved the diary because sometimes you do just have to rant.  The downside to Brooklyn speech is that if you really mean it you have to say Fuck 'em dry!

        "My will is easy to decide, for I have nothing to divide" Joe Hill

        by slick riddles on Sun Feb 06, 2005 at 06:28:48 PM PST

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        •  Difference between NYC and LA (3.50)
          In NYC they say "fuck you" but they really mean hello -- in LA they say "hello" but they really mean fuck you.

          "Folly is wont to have more followers and comrades than discretion." -Cervantes-

          by Don Quixote on Mon Feb 07, 2005 at 06:53:02 AM PST

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          •  Dead right (none)
            I grew up in NY...I live in LA.  And I've explained the difference this way many times...far less succinctly.  

            If you don't mind, I'll be using this from now on :-)

            Until humans can solve their philosophical problems, they are condemned to solve their political problems over and over and over again. -Tom Robbins

            by KB on Mon Feb 07, 2005 at 07:31:09 AM PST

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      •  Apology accepted. (none)
        You ranted, so I ranted. I feel better, and I hope you feel better too. I hereby withdraw my "fuck you."
    •  True story: (3.90)
      Mom (after 4th of July 2004): I'm so glad to see so many people leaving their flags up. I didn't want to one up because then people  might think I was a Republican:
      Me: <blank look> But Mom, you are a Republican.
      <beat>
      Mom: Oh yeah.
      •  asdf (none)
        My uncle's dad (who was a Berkely professor): These damn yahoo Texans are ruining everything!
        My uncle: But Dad, you're a Texan!
        My uncle's dad: (sheepishly/sadly) Oh, I know.  It's really too bad.
        •  Amazing how many Texans (none)
          I met at Cal.  They were all sheepish.

          "The state has no place in the bedrooms of the nation." - Pierre Trudeau

          by fishhead on Sun Feb 06, 2005 at 03:03:08 PM PST

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        •  Can't help where you're born... (4.00)
          At this point, my mother is a registered Republican for 5 reasons...

          1. She doesn't want to feel chased away
          2. She enjoys filling out the surveys they send her (is the Republican party on the right track or the wrong track?)
          3. She gets to say "I'm a Republican -- have been for the past 50 years -- and I disagree with Bush/the party/whomever because...
          4. She gets to vote in the primaries

          And then, of course,

          5. She'll never actually get around to changing her party affiliation.

          •  I'm still officially (none)
            a member of the United Methodist Church.  I've been once (Christmas, as a favor to Mom) in the past ten years.  I'm nominally atheist, but I just haven't gotten around to having my name removed.  I wonder if they know?

            Yes, I'm a proud Massachusetts Liberal, and fuck you for saying that's a bad thing.

            by MAJeff on Sun Feb 06, 2005 at 06:04:43 PM PST

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            •  12345 (none)
              I'm still a member of the Seventh-day Adventist church.  Probably should fill out my update card that comes in the mail with my new address and religious affiliation. ;)

              Be the change you wish to see in the world.

              by Sara Brooks on Mon Feb 07, 2005 at 12:57:33 AM PST

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    •  My dad's a Republican (4.00)
      and I say FUCK them.

      At least he decided not to vote in the elections. As he put it "I could vote for the bag of air or the brain of air. Why vote?"

      Fighting for peace is like fucking for virginity, only not as much fun.

      by Toktora on Sun Feb 06, 2005 at 02:33:07 PM PST

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    •  Do you know why he voted Republican?? (none)
      I am curious -- I hear comments like yours off and on -- but so far no-one has been able to tell me the reason why --

      other than -- they have always voted Republican

      which of course in the end means nothing

      SpongeBush SquarePants: SpongeBush lives in a bubble in D.C./absorbent and shallow and porous is he! - - Maureen Dowd

      by sara seattle on Sun Feb 06, 2005 at 02:40:15 PM PST

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      •  He veered pretty heavily (none)
        along the libertarian line. As I mentioned in my piece, he liked Social Security, but for the most part he was suspicious of government intervention in American life. That applied to both the economic and the cultural spheres. He thought abortion should be legal; he also thought pot, acid, heroin, etc should be legal. He probably would've said his main reason for preferring the Republican Party over the Democratic Party was because Republicans wouldn't expand the power of the state bureaucracy as excessively as Democrats (he was mistaken, by the way).
        •  Sounds like a Libertarian to me (none)
          Not a Reublican (especially not these days).  I wish the other side were Libertarians instead of warmonging theocrats.

          In fact, I'm a *Liberal*tarian.  That is, I think drugs/prostitution/gambling/etc. should be legal (but taxed fairly heavily), and I think the government should not ban anything that doesn't harm others (but can support or oppose things via taxes or subsidies).  But I also think the government should provide services that the free market can not or will not provide (I'm for socialized medicine, for example-the free market ain't cutting it), and charge taxes to pay for it.  I am also rather isolationist, in more than just opposing the Iraq war (why do we have troops in Japan, Germany, and South Korea-these countries can afford thier own damned armies), and think we spend too much on the military in general (we spend as much as every other country on the planet-combined).

          •  I think a lot of (none)
            libertarian-leaning Republicans failed (and fail) to see the connection between America's expansionist foreign policy and the growth of government power here at home. Unfortunately, this was the case with my dad. It's tough to generalize about him, because his views evolved over time. He was an ardent Cold Warrior, but after the collapse of the Soviet Union, he became isolationist. He opposed the first Gulf War and the war in Kosovo. But I think 9/11 mangled his brain, which might've already been deteriorating a little anyway, so he was pretty hardcore on the "War on Terror" at the end. I tried to get him to read antiwar.com, that great libertarian antiwar website, but to no avail. Anyway, I agree with what you said. I'd like to see American bases dismantled in Japan, South Korea, Uzbekistan, and countless other places. But at the moment, the main imperative is that we don't get to keep the ones we're building in Iraq.
    •  Try it, everyone's drinking it (4.00)

      <sigh>

      And it isn't good for anything.

      •  hate to point this out (none)
        but the REPUBLICANS fucked up our country so let's FUCK THEM UP and those dumbasses that voted against democrats because they think we are all tax and spend, or all progay or baby killers! FUCK THOSE IGNORANT BIGOTS, EVERYTHING SINGLE ONE OF THEM THAT VOTED FOR BUSH BECAUSE THAT'S IS WHAT THEY ALL DESERVE!!

        because I know they all deserve to be fucked!!

        RIGHTEOUS GOD IS ON MY SIDE, FUCK THE REPUBLICANS

        FUCK MY SHIFT KEY

        hey, why rate me down when i am "venting"?

    •  please! (none)
      but what if it is about her dad or any someone's mom or even them?  tacitly approving their bullshit just because you don't want to pay higher taxes or the similar "fiscal" excuses doesn't make up for the way they treat people in very personal and concrete ways.  it ain't the same party; they don't deserve the same detached tolerance.  
    •  this is NOT (4.00)
      your father's Republican party.

      It is always brave to say what everyone thinks. -George Duhamel

      by Alna Dem on Sun Feb 06, 2005 at 05:52:52 PM PST

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    •  And your dad would probably be (4.00)
      horrified by the cesspool the Republican party has turned into. At least, I hope so.

      My grandparents were Republicans.  I'm not sure what they would think if they could see this bunch.  My father is a retired military officer, rightwing as the come, makes jokes about Martin Loother Coon, and his answer to every Republican lie and atrocity is that Clinton got away with it.

      When I point out that he's saying that a double standard should apply - bad for Clinton to do certain things, fine for Bush - he changes the subject.  Another way of saying, Fuck You.

    •  Your dad (2.50)
      helped put people like Richard Nixon, Ronald Reagan etc etc in power.

      He helped the right wing in their war against the poor, against minorities, against humanity.
      He helped the GOP in its battle to destroy the environment. In its empire fantasies. In sending 50,000 american men to die in for Nothing.

      Fuck You.

      The Democratic party needs to adopt its own moral and values principles (clawed)

      by cdreid on Sun Feb 06, 2005 at 07:38:03 PM PST

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      •  Well, (none)
        my mom is a Democrat, but she voted for Reagan and George H.W. Bush (the first one). So "fuck her" too. Right? Come to think of it, lots of Democrats voted for Reagan and Bush. They were called "Reagan Democrats." Fuck THEM!!!!! Fuck everyone who's not with us, because if you're not with us, you're against us.
        •  you're taking this much too seriously (none)
          give it a rest, please. How many times does Sue have to say she was venting -- then makes two apologies to individuals.

          As she said, she wasn't able to create customized caveats for all the variations of those offended.

          Have you ever heard a George Carlin routine? Should we lock him up for offending you?

          Just give it a rest. The Republicans of today spew venom. And she's commenting on it, that's all.

          And I know, "My Republican Family" are all like that exactly -- and they're all highly educated.

          .
          .
          .
          .
          I think Sue probably had a lot more restriant than most would, frankly.

          Afterall, you didn't see her say these things that MY family says:

          "The niggas just have more liked so they can collect more welfare. So FUCK YOU, ya nigga lover."

          or

          "The liberal media is all run by a bunch of kikes. So FUCK YOU, ya Jew-lover"

          .
          .

          Shall I go on, or will you quit whining?

          •  Look, (none)
            I'm not responding to Sue here. I'm responding to what cdreid said in response to my response to Sue. Sue apologized. I accepted. See above! I see now that Sue was just venting, and actually has a nuanced view of these things.
        •  Sorry but (none)
          If you vote republican you vote to harm children. You vote against equal rights for women and minorities. You vote against the working class. You vote against freedom of religions.

          You vote against my nephews futures. And that is unforgivable.

          So ya...

          The Democratic party needs to adopt its own moral and values principles (clawed)

          by cdreid on Mon Feb 07, 2005 at 02:12:27 AM PST

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          •  "Unforgivable"! (none)
            That's a strong word. I'm wondering how I should apply this in my everyday life. Are there any practical applications for this at all? Should I spit on my father's memory, disown my mother, and shun those friends of mine who lack ideological purity? Or would it be enough just to make manichean, us-vs-them pronouncements on left-wing blogs? I'm ready for my next lesson.
            •  You're suggesting (none)
              that WE do so, not you. I wouldnt suggest for a moment that you dislike or disapprove of your father. But you are in effect asking us to approve of him, care for those like him.. be less partisan, less judgemental etc etc.

              Their votes harm people. Harm lives. Harm Humanity. Harm the most basic human principles. And their votes are going to harm my nephews and my sister.. the people i care about most in the world. So dont expect those like myself to like him, approve of him, forgive him, think him misguided or anything else. He gave power to darkness.

              And so you know.. i apply this standard in my life. I'm from the mountains of NC and have lived all over the south. There are otherwise "good people" all over the south who support vile racism. There are even otherwise "good people" in the KKK believe it or not. I dont and never have accepted that "flaw". Have never forgiven it. Have never shied away from letting that be known.

              Being like that has cost me a few (racist) friends. It has probably however caused a lot more people to look at just what it is that people find so objectionable in them. And i know for a fact it has changed the hearts of more than a handful.

              The Democratic party needs to adopt its own moral and values principles (clawed)

              by cdreid on Mon Feb 07, 2005 at 10:21:31 PM PST

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              •  OK, now we're getting somewhere. (none)
                My initial response to Sue's diary was an admittedly emotional reaction, which made, on a visceral level, the same basic point that some other posters downthread have made in more measured terms: namely, that Sue's rant suffered from some serious overgeneralization issues. Sue herself apologized and assured me that she was just venting, and knew that there were in fact good Republicans whom she respected, including members of HER own family. I accepted her apology, withdrew the "fuck you" that I had issued to her, and everything is now sun and roses with me and Sue. Setting aside the moral issues involved in voting Republican (whether one is a registered Republican or not), it is a fact (a troubling one) that a large percentage of the people who vote Republican are not rich, many of them do support a woman's right to choose, and are inconsistent with the stereotypes of Sue's rant in countless other ways.

                Am I asking that you "approve" of my dad? No. "Care for" him? Well certainly not just him, but I'll admit that I think we should all care for the people on the other side, at least the ones that it's possible to have a conversation with. Be less partisan? No. Less judgmental? Yes. But I do have a better understanding now of where you're coming from, I thank you for sharing that with me, and I honor you for being able to change people's minds.

                Anyway, enough about my dad and his votes. What about me and mine? I'm 30 years old and I've barely voted at all. In 1992, I voted for Perot, an immature vote and mostly meaningless, though the Perot vote as a whole may have helped Clinton defeat Bush. I didn't vote through the rest of the 90s, or in the 2000 election, and a big part of the reason was my anger over the sanctions that were responsible for the deaths of hundreds of thousands of innocent Iraqi children. I had to watch a Democratic secretary of state, working for a Democratic president, tell Leslie Stahl (I think it was Leslie Stahl) that the deaths of hundreds of thousands of children was a painful price to pay, but worth it. Both parties condoned that policy, so I wasn't interested in voting for either of them. I might've considered Nader if I'd thought he gave a damn (did he?). I did hold my nose last November to vote for Kerry, also primarily because of Iraq (Bush actually ended the sanctions policy, but his method for doing so was not what I had in mind).

                Now I'm not gonna go out and start condemning Democratic voters for their tacit approval of this brutal, inhumane, and utterly banal form of evil that Clinton perpetuated (heck, my mom started voting Democratic again in the 90s!). But based on the terms you've established: if I wanted to, I could.

                •  I have no problem (none)
                  whatsoever with your not voting. None. Those who say that non-voters are apathetic and dont care about their country are simply foolish.

                  Most people dont vote because they dont see a choice. Because neither party speaks to what they care about. Because both parties labor more intensely at being similar than at winning. They dont vote because in nearly every election theyre given the choice of two evils.

                  In effect .. by not voting they Are voting. For none of the above. Just as my friend making 5.70 an hour and supporting her baby on it tepidly supports Bushco based on lack of evidence does so because the democratic party and the left offer her no reason to support them so the people who dont vote (her included) feel left out of their own faux democracy. Your vote for perot was a vote for change. Your vote wasnt meaningless it sent a message to the parties. And if the media hadnt dropped a smear job on perot that was akin to the dean scream he may have done much much better.

                  Everyone makes a choice at election time. Vote for one of the candidates of the two parties (and not 'waste their vote' whatever the hell that means), vote third party, or dont vote. A stunning number of america give the two party faux-democratic system a resounding vote of no-confidence each and every election.

                  Perhaps when this cycle of abject corruption and incompetance is over the aftermath may allow us to install an actual democracy in america. One based on the peoples wishes.. rather than contributors pocketbooks. Money does not equal speech. Corporations are not citizens. And two parties does not a democracy make. Someday america will learn that.. perhaps not the america we know  though.

                  The Democratic party needs to adopt its own moral and values principles (clawed)

                  by cdreid on Wed Feb 09, 2005 at 01:27:21 AM PST

                  [ Parent ]

                •  By the way (none)
                  I also have NO problem with your criticising the democratic party, its leaders or its positions. Only through the lack of such does evil, ignorance, cowardice and greed succeed.

                  One thing you should realise though. Clinton was nothing like the "average democrat" or a representation of our ideals. Clinton  was a centrist dem and on economics a straight conservative. The only reason i voted for him was because i knew who Al Gore was and how important the things he was fighting for are to our future. Presidents like Gerald Ford would probably be to the left of Bill Clinton (he was a more admirable man too actually).

                  The Democratic party needs to adopt its own moral and values principles (clawed)

                  by cdreid on Wed Feb 09, 2005 at 01:33:21 AM PST

                  [ Parent ]

                  •  The truth is, (none)
                    even before the invasion of Iraq, I was starting to think I might have to vote against Bush in 2004. 9/11 had changed the calculus, and I was thinking he was just too dangerous to have around, for a lot of reasons.

                    Then came the House and Senate votes authorizing Bush to use force in whatever way he damn well pleased in Iraq. After that, I vowed that I would cut my throat before I would support any Democrat who voted in favor of that obscene piece of legislation.

                    But as the magnitude of Bush's folly played out, I finally had to admit: who am I kidding? Of course I have to vote for Bush's Democratic challenger, on the simple principle that the worst fucking president our country has ever had should not be elected to a second term. So yes, I will soil myself to vote for Kerry. Or Edwards. Or even Gephardt. I drew the line at Lieberman. Worst fucking president in the history of our country vs. Lieberman? I'd have to sit that one out. If I have any money in 2006, I'll donate some of it to Lieberman's primary challenger, whoever he or she is.

                    On the other hand, I am a big fan of Dean. I'm one of those people who was initially drawn to him because of his opposition to the war. Though I am not a Democrat, I followed the race for the DNC Chairmanship obsessively, and had my own private celebration when he secured the necessary votes. In 2004, I was an Independent voting Democratic. If Dean succeeds pretty well, I might become a Democrat voting Democratic. If he succeeds spectacularly well, I might even become a Democratic Party activist. We'll see.

      •  Wasn't Vietnam (none)
        Started with a dem president? And ended (under pressure) with a repub president?

        When the rest of the world decides to take care of the bully, I hope I'm not in Columbine.

        by georgeNOTw on Mon Feb 07, 2005 at 07:29:20 AM PST

        [ Parent ]

        •  You're right (none)
          a very Hawkish dem who only attained power due to the death of JFK.

          However Nixon was voted in based on his "secret plan" (that didnt exist) to get us out of viet nam honorably. He then spent his presidency increasing the violence and mayhem til it became clear we had lost even to the far right.

          The Democratic party needs to adopt its own moral and values principles (clawed)

          by cdreid on Mon Feb 07, 2005 at 10:27:12 PM PST

          [ Parent ]

  •  How about... (4.00)
    I'm a republican.

    I will kill to get my kids into the best possible colleges.

    Then insist that they major in Business or Accounting.

    And not permit them to take classes like English or Philosophy or Women's Studies.

    After all, what's an education for:  to make money and to STAY ON TOP.

    (This Humanities stuff with Liberal professors is bullshit, I say.)

    Bush denies presidential timber.

    by Lumiere on Sun Feb 06, 2005 at 02:17:01 PM PST

  •  Good to vent (4.00)
    An interesting note on the "fuck National parks" thing. Al Franken said he found an article from several years ago in which the CATO institute wanted to privatize SS so badly, they said we should finance it by selling the national parks. So two evils in one right there!

    So U.S officials have lost $9 billion in Iraq. But I'm sure they'll find it, I think it's right next to the WMD.-Dave Letterman(paraphrased)

    by jj32 on Sun Feb 06, 2005 at 02:18:03 PM PST

  •  Elevating the discourse? (2.76)
    In my view, your rampage was as tasteless as it was unnecessary.

    Seriously, my friend.  Not helpful.

    ~Liberal in the best sense of the word~

    by Lucky Ducky on Sun Feb 06, 2005 at 02:27:42 PM PST

    •  I agree (3.14)
      Totally tasteless and totally unnecessary.
       

      I think the burden is on those people who think he didn't have weapons of mass destruction to tell the world where they are.     Ari Fleischer 7/9/2003

      by Sue in NH on Sun Feb 06, 2005 at 02:34:36 PM PST

      [ Parent ]

      •  But totally the mindset. (4.00)
        Is it profane?  Maybe?  Does it reflect the sentiment of these cretins? Definitely.

        These people have an absolute "fuck you" mentality. They are selfish, they are greedy, and they feel they are entitled. Community means nothing to these people.  They are usually the laziest damn people on the face of the planet, have been given everything, and yet have the temerity to talk about hard work.  They are like feudal lords and "masters" complaining that the slaves don't work hard enough. They are without empathy or compassion for anyone who doesn't look like them.

        So honestly--is it more profane that A) someone you said "fuck you" or B) that these cretins have a "fuck you" attitude? Answer B.

        You have nothing to apologize for in this diary.  I, for one, loved it, recommended it, and have tipped you accordingly.

        "Sir, we've already lost the dock." A Zion Lieutenant to Commander Lock, The Matrix Revolutions

        by AuntiePeachy on Sun Feb 06, 2005 at 02:59:38 PM PST

        [ Parent ]

        •  Over generalization (none)
          Breaking News:  Not all repubs are rich or even well to do, or even middle class.  You over generalize and describe a few.  Not, say that they don't know their ass from a hot rock, and I'm with you there.
          •  Over generalization? (4.00)
            Of course, it is! But ya know, some of my best friends are...no, wait.

            Certainly not every repub is a coddled, sanctimonious, sexist, racist, blow-hard.  Well, maybe not all 5 at once.  But does that speak for the majority?  Yes.  And what of the folks who don't have the money?  They feel the same way--it's a mentality that says: "When I get rich, I don't want to help some loser." Besides, people in this country,have made kissing up to "their betters" an art form.

            They don't know their @$$ from a hot rock--and they don't want to know.

            "Sir, we've already lost the dock." A Zion Lieutenant to Commander Lock, The Matrix Revolutions

            by AuntiePeachy on Sun Feb 06, 2005 at 03:42:37 PM PST

            [ Parent ]

            •  fabulous role models (none)
              they may not be rich, sexist, racist, etc., but they idenitfy with those who are.  great things to aspire to.  

              at work, we joke about nascar republicans and neiman marcus republicans.  and how the first might be just as bad, but might have an excuse.  doesn't matter -- the nascars want to be the neiman marcuses.  and in end, the result is the same.  take welfare benefits from people who can't feed their kids?  who cares if it's because they hate blacks, or because they buy into the pull yourself up by the bootstraps stuff?  doesn't like the environment?  does it matter that whether it's because they believe that tree huggers are crazy or are invested in a company that wants to ravage a forest...all the same.....

            •  All my repub relatives (none)
              are merely sanctimonious, sexist, racist blowhards. So please keep generalizing!
              •  I said not all at once! (4.00)
                Besides, you left out coddled!!

                ((rimshot))

                First, this diary is supposed to be humorous and/or a place to vent. Given the bile out there toward the truly compassionate, it's totally justified.

                But if you want to be serious, I can take it there, too. I am talking about the prevailing mind-set. Say want you want, rethugs have belief bordering on theology that rejects the common good. I got mine, and I'll get yours. Why people ignore the obvious and buy into it, I have no idea.

                I tell you what though--I'm compassionate with those who are compassionate toward other people. And by people, I mean people like AND unlike themselves. Simply, I'm compassion-fatigued for the privileged and spoiled.

                I've done a day clinic defense.  My husband and I were damn-near accosted by some anti-choice freak, simply because we were holding hands and walking past a Planned Parenthood. I've seen hate mail of the most vicious sort--so bad, that I called the Capitol police because I was scared to open it (this one piece was directed toward then Rep. Schumer and somehow ended up in the office where I worked). I remember the rethug "Wanted" posted of liberal Democrats in 1995 during the heydays of the Contract on America...and most of those who were "wanted" came from the CBC. I remember I was in a meeting with folks from the Dept. of Labor to talk about workers in the poultry industry (chicken catchers specifically, and the labeling of them as "independent contractors" instead of employees), and the repub staff actually had the temerity to say that at $10.50/hr, that the chicken catchers were making more than they were.  And worse.

                Not to mention the experiences of the older generation of my family.  My Mom, this past summer, finally got a chance to visit a park as an adult because she couldn't visit there as a child.
                She and my Dad have been spit at, saw crosses burned, saw their parents have to grovel before whites for fear of injury death.  

                How much time ya got?

                Now...of course I've had rethugs show decency, be funny, and act kind, even.  But I've seen the majority's attitude and the majority's actions, and I'm not about to give that a pass.  Sorry.

                 

                "Sir, we've already lost the dock." A Zion Lieutenant to Commander Lock, The Matrix Revolutions

                by AuntiePeachy on Sun Feb 06, 2005 at 05:57:58 PM PST

                [ Parent ]

                •  dont apologize (none)
                  there are thousands upon thousands of stories just like that, within arms reach of anyone who reads this blog.

                  beyond that, there are millions upon millions across generations who have had their lives negatively impacted by greeding, thugging, oil vampires and their ilk.

                  we do not have to make disclaimers, we assume you to be intelligent

                •  Sorry, Auntie... (none)
                  I was trying to be humorous, by pointing out that one didn't have to be coddled to have zero empathy with others. :^)

                  I've dug potatoes, framed houses, laid carpet and tile, slaughtered animals, and cleaned cesspools... while I happen to be one of the top 1% of earners now thanks to my early and avid pursuit of Computer Science, I still have to shake my head at the nearsightedness of those who would rather hate another than love themselves.

                  •  OK...reelin' it in... (none)
                    What can I say?  I started the morning by looking at Jonah Goldberg's excuses for not going to a war he cheerleads, and watched as the great Donovan McNabb goes home without a ring.

                    ((Sniff, sniffle, sniff--literally, as I've been congested all day)).  

                    But I'm reelin' it back in.  :<)

                    "Sir, we've already lost the dock." A Zion Lieutenant to Commander Lock, The Matrix Revolutions

                    by AuntiePeachy on Sun Feb 06, 2005 at 07:58:16 PM PST

                    [ Parent ]

          •  More generalizations (none)
            On further analysis:

            • Not all who vote for republicans are republicans.

            • Not all who say they are republicans today called themselves republican ten years ago.

            • Not all who voted for Dubya in 2004 voted their self interest. (But they all did vote their self-identity.)

            Venting is good if we can move on afterward. If we cannot, then we're no better than the clowns at LGF. (Well, maybe a little better ...)

            vote early - vote often

            by wystler on Sun Feb 06, 2005 at 08:53:17 PM PST

            [ Parent ]

          •  Horrors! Where was your statistical analysis? (none)
            Over generalization (none / 0)

            Breaking News:  Not all repubs are rich or even well to do, or even middle class.  You over generalize and describe a few.  Not, say that they don't know their ass from a hot rock, and I'm with you there.
            by elveta on Sun Feb 6th, 2005 at 15:20:37 PST

            Oh God, thank you so much velveta, because heavens to betsy if Sue were to have her numbers off.

            Such a tempest in a teapot.

    •  I would disagree. (none)
      That level of discourse is a step up from what we witnessed during the elections. At least she was straightforward about how she feels, that's a big step right there.

      Fighting for peace is like fucking for virginity, only not as much fun.

      by Toktora on Sun Feb 06, 2005 at 02:35:52 PM PST

      [ Parent ]

    •  Tastless maybe, but necessary (4.00)
      It is about time we fight back. Way to go!
      •  this is fighting back? (3.00)
        to me, this is like a teenager turning up the rap music.  makes him feel tough.  makes him feel big.

        has no real impact on the world, but it makes him feel better.

        why not actually do something, and then feel good about "fighting" back?

        by the way, if no one has caught on to the theme of my replies, blind and sweeping generalizations are not only unproductive, but counterproductive.

        the movement requires empathy, thoughtfulness and communication.  this diary, and the subsequent replies and rahrah cheerleaders, found itself in bush country for all three of those categories.

        if bigotry is your tastey slice of pie, by all means enjoy.  just don't pretend it is in your, or our, best interest.

    •  Elevate (4.00)
      oh come on -- have another blody mary

      SpongeBush SquarePants: SpongeBush lives in a bubble in D.C./absorbent and shallow and porous is he! - - Maureen Dowd

      by sara seattle on Sun Feb 06, 2005 at 02:41:32 PM PST

      [ Parent ]

    •  Show Me (4.00)
      some evidence that anyone in the Republican party wants to elevate the discourse.

      "It's been headed this way since the World began, when a vicious creature made the jump from Monkey to Man."--Elvis Costello

      by BigOkie on Sun Feb 06, 2005 at 02:51:20 PM PST

      [ Parent ]

      •  why? (4.00)
        When did Republican conduct become the standard?
        •  Because (none)
          you cannot have discourse without the other person agreeing to the standards of conversation.  Fuck the republican assholes.  They forfeited "discourse" a long time ago.  If you are willing to stand by and let these bastards steal the republic, that's on you.  We will save you a place in the new democracy.

          "It's been headed this way since the World began, when a vicious creature made the jump from Monkey to Man."--Elvis Costello

          by BigOkie on Wed Feb 09, 2005 at 06:05:09 PM PST

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    •  I've been saying this every chance I get (2.75)
      Unfortunately, this means I've been saying it a lot. This stuff makes the writer feel better, but it also buys into the right wing unconscious mindset--sex is bad, sex is agression, its better to be a man (the fucker) than a woman (the fuckee), etc.  
      •  Are you an SNL character - or real? (none)
        It's hard to fathom your obtuse observation being real. When you're written your white paper, please tell me where I can subscribe to updates 24/7. I wouldn't want to miss a word!
    •  she's not trying to be helpful or tasteful. (none)
      she's trying to be sane.

      It is always brave to say what everyone thinks. -George Duhamel

      by Alna Dem on Sun Feb 06, 2005 at 06:12:48 PM PST

      [ Parent ]

    •  Well, then... (none)
      FUCK YOU!
  •  Great rant (4.00)
    I'm a republican. I eat Velveeta, drive a truck, and like my women barefoot and pregnant. Fuck you.

    "I still think politics is about who's getting screwed and who's doing the screwing." -Molly Ivins

    by hono lulu on Sun Feb 06, 2005 at 02:27:46 PM PST

    •  I think Hillary Clinton is evil (4.00)
      I don't know why this is so, but I just know it. /republican

      I'm a member of a minority group: the reality-based community.

      by Unstable Isotope on Sun Feb 06, 2005 at 02:59:50 PM PST

      [ Parent ]

    •  the millions and millions of non-rich R's (4.00)
      I may be poor, but that's really because you arrogant liberals make me pay taxes for abortions and so called "art" that defaces Jesus and welfare queens.  Fuck you.

      Besides, I work hard.  I know that working hard, in AMERICA, means one day you get ahead.  But you lazy, heathen liberals just want a free ride.  You want the government to make it so you barely have to work at all.  Fuck you.  

      And when I get ahead?  Keep your fucking hands off what I earned myself.  God wants me to be successful.  Financial success shouldn't be penalized by taxes - especially taxes that pay for things like education, where you want to teach children wrong and evil things about Creation.  Fuck you and your godless uses for my money.  

      And after I get ahead?  Keep your fucking "death tax" off my fucking money.  My money is mine.  It should go to my flesh and blood.  Fuck you.  

      And then, when I die, I know I'm going to heaven.  You're not.  You had your chance - you could have come to Jesus.  Fuck you.

      No matter how cynical you become ... you can never keep up.

      by LegalSpice on Sun Feb 06, 2005 at 03:35:39 PM PST

      [ Parent ]

      •  Perfect (none)
        This is the attitude of the mass of non 2%er pugs. I've never seen it articulated better.

        This is the source of the emotionalism and resentment the uberpugs manipulate so well. We need to learn to counter these mis-apprehensions because if we don't, it'll take another great depression before they see the economic reality of their position and the now uncorrectable folly of their beliefs.

  •  Good energy, but I dunno. (3.00)
    Seems to me there are a a lot of poor folk who have been duped into right wingnuttery by the likes of Rush,Hannity et al, and it is because of their bitterness towards 'liberals' that Bush won this election. Poor Repubicans voting for their own economic destruction...(props to Whats the Matter with Kansas, a must-read), thats what put Bush over the edge.

    This rant might be more effective as, say, an email forward, if the stuff about being rich was less general...someones conservative brother in law might take a look at this list and proudly exclaim how he 'aint rich!'

    PLUS... as a native coastal mainer I will attest that those summer homes were filled with just as many rich liberals. More, actually (they are mostly from MA). The Bush compound is an exception and a blight on Maines beautiful coastline.

    In the midst of life we are in debt, etc.

    by ablington on Sun Feb 06, 2005 at 02:28:55 PM PST

    •  please consider (none)
      that it is not just being "duped" by the rightwing .. it is the sense of belonging they get by banding together against the "elistist left" that posted this.

      i put that in quotes for a reason, because elitest has nothing to do with political alignment, but you certainly help the stereotype by condemning, with large sweeps of your arms, roughly half the voting population of the country.  and let me remind you, elitism does not have to be about money or social status.  it has to do with mindset .. not only are you right and they are wrong, but you are always right and they are always wrong, and "they" includes everyone who disagrees with you, or maybe didn't vote for the "best" choice.

      PS - 1 party.  2 mascots.  enjoy rating me down.

  •  I'll add this: (4.00)
    "I'm a republican.  I only listen to Rush, Hannity & MY pResident... LA-LA-LA-LA-LA... I can't hear you & WON'T hear you, so fuck you."

    They can all KISS MY ASS.

    I have only posted a couple times & usually only lurk & read, but this made me want to jump up & down & say...

    "THIS IS EXACTLY HOW I FUCKING FEEL ABOUT THESE HOLIER-THAN-THOU KNUCKLE-DRAGGING BOTTOM FEEDERS"

    Sorry for the rant,
    Rick

    "Virtues paraded hide vices; like those strong odors used to hide bad smells." - Unknown

    by NJRick on Sun Feb 06, 2005 at 02:30:25 PM PST

  •  I'm a republican (4.00)
    and I know how God thinks. Fuck you.
  •  I love America & (4.00)
    Hate the rest of the WORLD except England and Poland, even though I have never been outside the US...btw/ I really Hate FRANCE and their stinking cheese...I only drink American Wine and call fried potatoe slices..Freedom Fries.....I'm a Republican Fuck You.

    educate 'em when they're young

    by Chamonix on Sun Feb 06, 2005 at 02:42:17 PM PST

  •  Sad but true... (none)
    I can picture many of my "red state/red city" neighbors expressing these sentiments.  Selfish, self-rightous, bigoted, "NIMBY" bedroom community dwelling, narrow-minded fools!  Great way to exorcise the deamons today.
  •  I'm a Republican (4.00)
    In the words of George W. Bush "Why should I care what you think?" - Fuck you
  •  Look, I enjoyed the rant... (4.00)
    ... but I'm sure I'm not the only one who has Republican friends who don't conform to stereotypes.

    It may make us "feel good," but, personally, I'm a little offended by this.

    •  And why do they vote Republican? (none)
      Have they evr explained why they vote Republican?
      •  Yeah, they have their reasons (none)
        But every Republican isn't a rightwing Christian zealot.

        And plenty of Republicans do not support Bush's neocon foreign policy agenda and his massive budget deficits.

        You'd be surprised...

        •  Support (4.00)
          Maybe they don't.  But they sure as fuck voted for exactly that.

          So fuck them!

          •  Whatever... (none)
            Some did, some didn't.
            •  ANYONE (4.00)
              who cast a second vote for Bush, whatever the reason, is a fuckhead, an ass, the problem, stupid as dirt, the enemy.  One vote, sure, I could forgive that.  But a second one?

              Nope, that vote was straight in support of the Bush agenda, Bob, and I'm afraid that there isn't any denying that.

              http://www.katemckinnon.com

              by kate mckinnon on Sun Feb 06, 2005 at 06:00:38 PM PST

              [ Parent ]

            •  they have religious zealots (none)
              and we have our own brand of zealots, just as close minded and condemning as the other side.  why argue with reason when you can argue with volume?  why make comments of quality when you can make comments of quality?

              there were many reasons for voting for bush.  "values" voting is a myth.

              let's see a percentage breakdown:
              Morals - 22%
              Terrorism - 19%
              Economy - 20%

              with a MoE of 3%

              which means 3 statistical ties.  why didn't that make the news?  because of the sensation of the upset.  because democrats want to make the exact misguided generalizations made in this diary.  because we want to be superior losers.

              well i do not know about you all, but i do not want to be a loser at all.  and this is not the way to win.

              to call everyone that voted one way or the as "insert derogatory remark" is insanely simpleminded and dettached from reality.

              for now, i am going to hit the sauce.

              •  lol (none)
                make the second "quality" - "quantity"

                !!!!!! (exclamation point)

              •  You like to "Rationalize" ... (none)
                ... I have another word for you:

                "Revolutionize"

                Try it on for size, I think you'll find it a much more comfortable fit!

                (Plus you don't get all the guilt that "Rationalizing" gives you.)

                "We need to get back to basics and start listening to people from outside Washington." - Howard Dean

                by deafmetal on Sun Feb 06, 2005 at 07:55:04 PM PST

                [ Parent ]

              •  Obviously! (none)
                The way to win is to be polite and acquiescent as we assume that those intent on destroying a century of humanistic progress have the best interests of the nation's general welfare and posterity at heart.

                Why would we want to change a paradigm that has had us winning so many races lately!

                Thppth!

        •  Yeah, but... (none)
          I have tons of Republican friends, because I am practically the lone democrat in our town.  I do see them not being obnoxious and greedy, but I don't see them actively doing anything to help the environment, the healthcare dilemma, the educational debacle, the war travesty, the budget nightmare, the tax farce, or anything else for that matter.  I learned a long time ago to "trust only action."  
    •  SUE! Please UN-publish! Bob's offended! (none)
      Look, I enjoyed the rant... (4.00 / 2)

      ... but I'm sure I'm not the only one who has Republican friends who don't conform to stereotypes.

      It may make us "feel good," but, personally, I'm a little offended by this.

      OOPS. Sorry, I got that wrong. He was only a little offended. But think twice next time. He could have been TOTALLY offended, and that is grounds for UN-publishing an obvious rant.

      •  Catharsis has its place . . . (none)
        I think that Bob's point (or, maybe its my sentiment and I'm projecting it on Bob -- if so, apologies) is more that this may not be the forum for such a public display of this catharsis.

        The "offense" is not the "oh, my virgin ears" type, but of the "have we stooped / become this" ilk.

        DKos has become a pretty visible "lefty" site.  This rant, while cathartic, makes it easier (descriptive, not normative characterization) to brand dKos a site full of looney "haters."  ("I'm a Liberal and you are a republican, so Fnck You!")

        I agree with the feeling behind this and my heart feels it even though my head also agrees with the naysayers here.

        The question really is whether this is the type of thing we want retrievable via the internet for years to come and suceptible to being spun as what we as liberals are all about?

        •  No, I don't care that it's posted here (none)
          The hardcore members of the other side will demonize whether stuff like this is up or not.

          My problem was with the streotyping and overgeneralization of the piece.  I've written rants, too, so I'm not pulling a "holier-tha-thou" routine here.

          But overgeneralization bothers me.  It bothered me during the primaries when Dean supporters were lumped into a single, monolithic group that would not support anyone but Dean.  That was never true, either and plenty of Dean supporters backed Kerry with money and time.

          Same with this post.  I have Republican friends who do more for the community than I do.  And I work on all kinds of issues.

          My comment has to do with the overgeneralization.  It's far too simplistic to have value in my opinion.

          But as for it being posted, I have no problem with that.  I don't care what the radical end of the other side has to say.  They're going to say it no matter what is posted here.

      •  I never suggested that she take it down. (none)
        Sorry for offering my opinion.

        I've posted many rants myself.

        I think it's fine that it was posted.  It's just that I viewed it as the sort of simplistic nonsense one would expect to see on FreeRepublic.

        Whatever.

        •  you are right (none)
          this is simplistic nonsense.
          If you look at other comments and diaries I've written, the tend to be much more thoughtful. I'm not usually on such a rampage.

          This was simply a moment of total insanity brought on by grappling with the cognitive dissonance that has taken over our world.

          However, I did not invent these attitudes.  They do truly exist in segments of the GOP.  The GOP should be ashamed of itself, that there are these attitudes within it.  We need not be ashamed of ourselves for putting this all into words.  One could even say it is our obligation to articulate the harmful paradigms within parts of the ruling GOP.  Perhaps if more people saw the truth they would vote differently.

          Overall, I have to say, I too am a bit conflicted about if this diary was a good idea (and totally surprised it got recommended).  But then again, folks had such a great time with it.  Let them have their fun.  We really would be ruining the spontonaity and creativity of blogs if we started imposing PC rules.  If folks don't like a diary, then don't recommend it.  A bad  comment gets zeroed out of existence.  Seems like a pretty good system.

          My 0.02 anyway.

          I think the burden is on those people who think he didn't have weapons of mass destruction to tell the world where they are.     Ari Fleischer 7/9/2003

          by Sue in NH on Mon Feb 07, 2005 at 02:23:04 PM PST

          [ Parent ]

  •  Republican: (4.00)
    Could care less about the sinful child, but love the fetus for its purity. Fuck you.

    Tilting at windmills, with the proper armor and enough firepower, can be a productive effort.

    by Serephin on Sun Feb 06, 2005 at 03:00:35 PM PST

  •  This literally happened to me... (4.00)
    ...recently in a small experience that was very revealing:

    I stepped out the back door of my place of employment for a moment, and saw that someone parked in the employee lot had left their car lights on.

    I walked over to the car to see if I could see whose car it was, or to turn the lights off. It was locked and I couldn't tell whose car it was. I recognized the next person who walked out the door as one of the big hate radio fans at work. I asked him if he knew who the car belonged to. He didn't. I asked the next three people who walked out, they didn't.

    I said well, let me go have it paged overhead to see if the owner will surface.

    He said "Fuck 'em! Why do you care?" I just smiled, and walked into the building to find the owner.

    It's sad when the smallest(and greatest) kindnesses and courtesies of the human condition are replaced with "Fuck you, I got mine", but that is exactly what their religion seems to dictate, and it is as pervasive as a toxic gas infiltrating the world.

    The problem with their religion is that it's not Christian. They'll proclaim loudly that they are "Christians, dammit"-but the truth is that they are the "ravening wolves in sheep's clothing" that Christ warned us about in the book of Matthew. Christ addressed this sort of thing in the story about The Good Samaritan, and his message regarding "Fuck you" was crystal clear. He was even clearer about "Fuck you" in Matthew 25:35.

    <rant over>

    •  and yet... (none)
      I can't help but wonder if that same person would be so cavalier if it were his lights left on.  Would he be cussing out if others let his battery die without telling him and inconvenience him by begging for a jump?

      Of course.  There are some people who think they are the center of the universe and everything and everyone else revolves (or should revolve) around them.

      Sorry, I have nothing else to add to this conversation.

      by DawnG on Sun Feb 06, 2005 at 03:05:09 PM PST

      [ Parent ]

  •  I'm a Republican: Fuck you (4.00)
    This exactly what it's all about. I got mine and I am not gonna share or care. Bigoted, narrow minded,
    greedy, shamless. This person embodies every thing that is wrong with the republicanism. I am thrilled to be a liberal when this is what the republican revolution is all about. Empty worthless materialism coupled with the attitude of who would christ bomb-excute next.

    If you have any doubts about your values re-read the above.

  •  I'm a Republican (Politician) (4.00)
    I'm against abortion, unless it's for my daughter or my mistress.

    I'm against gay sex, unless I'm having it.

    I'm against malpractice lawsuits, unless I'm suing my wife's plastic surgeon.

    I'm a Christian, in the non-Golden rule sort of way.

    I'm for a strict interpretation of the Constitution, the way our all-white, male, property-owning, slave-holding forefathers meant it be read.

    I'm against propaganda, unless I'm making it.

    I'm for a balanced budget, as long as my corporate whores get their dues, and screw the poor and education.

    I'm for a free press:  they're free to say whatever the fucking talking points say, or else I stop payment on their checks, so fuck y'all and God Bless America.

    If the people lead, the leaders will follow.

    by Georgia Logothetis on Sun Feb 06, 2005 at 03:08:00 PM PST

  •  Hey Rebpulican, I'm a democrat (4.00)
    And I swear to God if we ever get power in this country again, there's going to be the mother of all backlashes for all you bible thumping, flag waving, war mongering assholes.  

    You better not let your guard down, cause we're taking names and checking 'em twice.

    We're gonna make damn sure every last one of you fuckers has health insurance.

    We're gonna make sure every last one of you idiots doesn't have to send your kid off to war, and if they do, we're gonna make sure they get taken care of when they come home.

    We're gonna make sure every last one of you has the opportunity to have a good job at a decent wage.

    We're gonna make sure all your kids are gonna have a clean and thriving environment to live in a century from now.

    We're gonna make sure you won't have to rely on buying gas at $5 a gallon to feed into your giant SUV that only gets 10 miles/gal.

    We're gonna guarantee you're all free to worship your God (no matter who it is) in anyway you want.

    So look out republicans, cause sooner or later, when democrats finally regain control, you're gonna get what's coming to you.

    I'm mad as hell, and I'm not gonna take this anymore!

    by MarkinNC on Sun Feb 06, 2005 at 03:14:46 PM PST

  •  TROLL! (4.00)
    Somebody delete this diary! This "Sue's" definitely a Republican come to stir up trouble.

    Just kidding. Great diary.

    It reminds me of what was echoing through my head--over and over and over--during my "shock" phase right after Nov. 2. I was in real hate mode, I tell you. Shamefully so. Goddamit, I thought we'd be greeted as liberators, and... well you know what happened. It felt a lot like Sept. 11 and I feared I might seriously lose my shit and wind up in prison if I didn't keep my thoughts to myself around the wrong people.

    So I avoided all the pigheaded, smug, gloating, asshole Republicans at work and carried on conversations with them in my head. Mostly, their arguments sounded like Sue in NH's diary (it's about the size of their arguments in real life: "FUCK YOU! WOOOOO!"). My side of the imaginary arguments held its own, but always ended up frustrated and at one of two places:

    • You people are hopeless; Someday Bush is going to cross you and destroy something you love--he'll kill your son in a war, he'll take your job away, his cronies will steal your savings, he'll dump chemicals in the woods where you hunt, something... and you'll regret that you refused to think when you had the chance. And fuck you, you goosestepping, puritan fuck. [Fisticuffs]

    • (Grad students) You have very strong opinions on things you know nothing about. You live with your parents, so you have no idea what it's like to rent or own a home. You are on your parents' health insurance, so you have no idea what it's like to spend half your money on that (bonus: you have no idea what it's like when you can't afford health insurance for your fiancee, either). You've never had a job, so you don't know what it's like to lose one. The only people-not-like-you you've ever been friends with are the other graduate students here at work (whom I know you privately resent because you've been drunk enough to admit so in my presence). So fuck you. Someday you'll grow up. [Walk away]

    /microrant

    Off to watch the Eagles kick that other team's ass.

    Them smokestacks reaching like the arms of god / Into a beautiful sky of soot and clay -- Springsteen

    by abw on Sun Feb 06, 2005 at 03:18:23 PM PST

    •  fisticuffs (none)
      I'm with you on the fisticuffs.

      Unless it personally affects them, they won't begin to care.  Which means that until every single one of the 51%  is hit, and hit hard by the BFEE, then we haven't even begun to see the effects of the disastrous policies, either put in place (PATRIOT) or relaxed (multitudes of environmental laws).

      Which means that this isn't the end, it's just the beginning.  Most americans have barely to even begin to realize that the 'free market' glocalization that is coming is going to mean there will be ZERO $20 an hour jobs within the border.

      So please, abw, keep your passions lit, but bury them a bit deeper and make sure they are available when they are really needed.

      It's coming.

    •  "SUE" (4.00)
      Sounds like a Democrat name to me. If that even IS her real name...
  •  I'm a Republican: Fuck you (4.00)
    I would have strung up bill clinton by his gonads for lying about WMD, but i am giving bush junior a pass. Fuck You.

    "Steve Holt!"- Steve Holt

    by cookiesandmilk on Sun Feb 06, 2005 at 03:27:36 PM PST

  •  Another point of view (4.00)
    I'm a Republican.  I came down South to make money and not shovel snow.  Until I got here, the redneck Republicans couldn't do shit in elections.  I now drive a pickup truck to my fancy office.  It has a gun rack, a Confederate flag, and a W oval sticker. My wife still goes to New York for her shopping trips and theaters.  My kids go to private schools.  No, not that kind.  I've made it.  Why haven't you?  Fuck you.

    The revolution starts now--in your own back yard, in your own home town

    by TarheelDem on Sun Feb 06, 2005 at 03:32:32 PM PST

  •  This is a great litmus test! (none)
    This should be sent to every person we know who voted republican. We should wait for their reaction. A lot will say, hey, this isn't me! This isn't fair. Our response is: well, if you aren't depicted here, the why the fuck are you voting republican? This is what The GOP stands for. Wake up!
  •  Am I lost? (3.66)
    Did I wander into an Ayn Rand Cliff Notes discussion?
  •  FUCK REPUBLICANS (4.00)
    I DON'T WANT REPUBLICANS ANYWHERE NEAR ME.  NOT EVEN MY MINIMUM WAGE IDIOT SISTER WHO VOTED FOR ASSHOLE.
  •  This diary cries out for... (4.00)
    reading it out into GarageBand, adding hip-hop beats, and releasing on MP3.

    Too bad I don't have a microphone attached.

    Then again, maybe your voice would be better...

  •  I'm a Republican and we're taking over the world (4.00)
    We're bigger than Rome. You'd all make nice slaves. You can't handle freedom. Freedom breeds chaos. Empire breeds order, peace and plenty. So we'll tell you what to do, and if you don't fit in we'll kill you. Did I mention fuck you? Have a nice day.
  •  Bravo Sue (4.00)
    I'm a Republican: I drink Yuban coffee and Scotch on the rocks. I smoke Cuban cigars and take oxycontin for my pains. So Fuck you liberal moonbats who insist on grinding beans and drinking Pinot Noir made by commies on the left coast. You all insist on smoking marijuana, calling it medicinal. Medicinal my ass. It's illegal you fucking hippy degenerates. You should all be thrown into prison.

    Oh, and while I despise brown people, we must be allowed to keep the "good" ones who do my yard work and clean my homes for a reasonable price.

    So Fuck You.

    Dubya, yer momma may think yer cute, but I sure don't

    by cosmic debris on Sun Feb 06, 2005 at 03:58:00 PM PST

  •  So true (none)
    And the top Republican leader's foreign policy can be summed up in one image: a raised middle finger to the rest of the world.
  •  I'm a Democrat: Open Your Eyes. (4.00)
    I'm a Democrat.  The greatest democracy in the world runs elections on unsecured, unauditable voting machines.  Open Your Eyes.

    I'm a Democrat.  One fifth of the world lives without adequate food and shelter.  Open Your Eyes.

    I'm a Democrat.  24,000 people die every day from hunger-related causes.  Open Your Eyes.

    I'm a Democrat.  Millions of American children have no health insurance.  Open Your Eyes.

    I'm a Democrat. Our leaders have misled us and people are dying because of it.  Open Your Eyes.

    I'm a Democrat.  Most violent crime is due to poverty.  Open Your Eyes.

    I'm a Democrat.  Every baby born in America immediately assumes a debt of $35,000 because of our national debt.  Open Your Eyes.

    I'm a Democrat.  Homeosexuals want to be happy too.  Open Your Eyes.

    I'm a Democrat.  Ignorance is on the March.  Large portions of our population think we found WMDs in Iraq, that Saddam Hussen gave Al queda substantial support, and that World Opinion is in favor of the Iraq war.  Open Your Eyes.

    I'm a Democrat.  Everywhere, from advertisements, to television news, to politcal discourse, to the neighborhood bar, to the blogs rational debate and respect for the truth is giving way to anger and hatred.  Open Your Eyes.

    The problem of power is how to achieve its responsible use rather than its irresponsible and indulgent use JFK

    by Responsible on Sun Feb 06, 2005 at 04:10:36 PM PST

    •  Responsible and MarkinNC (none)
      You two are on the track of a good diary, leadingus in a more positive direction.  Now that we've gotten out our anger, maybe you can take us to the next step.  Write on, brother/sister!  

      I think the burden is on those people who think he didn't have weapons of mass destruction to tell the world where they are.     Ari Fleischer 7/9/2003

      by Sue in NH on Sun Feb 06, 2005 at 04:59:52 PM PST

      [ Parent ]

    •  Yeah, but ... (none)
      We're open-eyed and very rational nearly all the time, and this is an exceedingly truthful (albeit possibly over-generalized) exploration of the Republican mentality.
  •  Healthy rant... (4.00)
    First, I loved this ranting diary, LOVED IT!  I smiled and smirked and basically felt some relief from my own feelings of anger with the party.

    Second, liberals are smart.  You know the difference intended by this diarist's use of Republican and don't pretend you don't!  And, I have friends who are registered Republicans and frankly, some are as confused by their party as I am...why they don't get a clue is not my problem.  Is my sentiment toward them "fuck you"?  When they complain about their problems and I know those problems are generated by an administration they didn't vote AGAINST, hell yea I say "fuck you, you broke it, you fix it".

    Third, my therapist has assured me that anger turned inward becomes depression and it is much healthier to rant, rage and curse now than hold it in and later suffer stress-related disease or worse, "go postal".

    Fourth, I know there are some folks who are just truly kind-hearted, sensitive liberals who can and do easily offend.  It should have been obvious at the third line with "fuck you" in it where the diary was going.  You have the option of not reading when you get the drift, so why continue on and then be offended?

    Fifth, I don't care about the sex-negative image "fuck you" can hold for some.  Again, liberals - particularly on this site -  are smart enough to get it, so relax (although in theory I get your point and agree).

    Sixth, the diary acted as a mental game of tackle football for me.  Sometimes it's more approriate to let some stuff out with shoving and pushing, sometimes it's not.  I liked this game, I'd play again!

  •  Awesome rant. (4.00)
    Sue, you probably know that what you're ranting at is a composite. This is why the shitcreek we're stuck in is so frustrating: it's too easy to lump the selfishness of GOP group X with the racism of GOP group Y, in with the moral superiority complex of GOP group Z.

    The I Hate Queers republicans don't live in the same gated community that the Born Rich republicans occupy. In fact, the lower-income IHQ crowd in general (I know, now I'm generalizing) sees the upper-crust establishment as the enemy. Nonetheless, they seem to rally for their benefit -- and to their own detriment -- again and again. As Thomas Frank (What's The Matter With Kansas?) says, these lower-income social conservatives mass at the gates of the miliionaires' mansions, pitchforks and torches in hand, bellowing, "We are here to lower your taxes!!"

    This is a big kettle of fish. You 've pointed out several different mindsets here, which all seem to go hand in hand quite nicely, and which are easy for us to focus our contempt upon. It would be great if we can understand how a lot of these desires are being played off of one another. Maybe then we can focus on the real enemy.

    We're sort of fucked if we can't.

    If it looks like Fascism, and it sounds like Fascism, and it really, really smells like Fascism...

    by DjW on Sun Feb 06, 2005 at 04:20:04 PM PST

  •  wow (none)

    Reading that was absolutely cathartic.  Now if you could just get Rage Against the Machine to set it to music...

    Oh, come and see the violence inherent in the system! Help! Help! I'm being repressed!

    by acuppajo on Sun Feb 06, 2005 at 04:27:40 PM PST

    •  zach (none)
      is supposed to be coming out with a new solo album soon.

      And as my buddy in carbondale said: "The reason Zach is so dangerous is because he hasn't made an album in like 8 years, and he probably spent the whole time reading."

  •  Hey, Republican things can change (none)
    Don't be so sure of your self. Things can change in a hurry for the worst. That social saftey net you took apart won't be there when you need it. You can loose your job, you can be sued and loose all your money, then your health insurance goes and you can't afford that fancy private school. The bill collectors can turn up, at your door too. BK doesn't let you off so easy any more thank the republican congress and the banking industry.

    Hell on earth is easy to acheive especially under a goverment dominated by bigoted, hard hearted, hating republicans. with just a simple twist of fate.

    I hope who ever wrote this gets to live on welfare and food stamps for the next 10 years
    and this might not even teach this human stain humility at her good fortune.

  •  Of Fuck it! (4.00)
    I was just about to turn over a new leave and stipo using the fucking F word, and now you made it all cool again.  FUCK YOU!

    (great post, byt the way -- I haven't felt so much catharsis since I read FUCK THE SOUTH.  Anybody care to repost that here, since I have lost it?

    Oh fuck, we have ALL lost it.

    "Optimism is not for sissies." (an elderly man at the Progressive Dem Conference)

    by Percheronwoman on Sun Feb 06, 2005 at 04:41:03 PM PST

  •  And this got recommended why? (none)
    Maybe I missed the point here, but what a waste of a recommended diary slot.

    cheers,

    Mitch Gore

    Nobody will change America for you, you have to work to make it happen

    by Lestatdelc on Sun Feb 06, 2005 at 05:03:07 PM PST

  •  all in the family (none)
    Apparently Republican children get to say this to their parents if they happen to be inconveniently broke due to illness and a death in the family. At least my nephew (corporate lawyer) feels he can say that to his mother (my sister). The next part was "is there anyone else you can ask?"... as in the other Democrat who's been helping so far. Well that's one package of Christmas gifts I might eliminate next year.

    Thanks for giving me an appropriate venting area for that one.

    Can't vote though. To close to the bone. Still hoping he'll get a functioning conscience.

  •  See, this is the problem: (none)
    We shouldn't criticize Republicans like Sue in NH because these are exactly the kind of folks the Democratic Party needs to win over.

    </snark>

  •  You are a marketing Genius (none)
    I totally thought some repub. got through and posted a diary. Way to grab someone's attention.

    Where was your attention-grabbing prowress during the campaigns?

  •  No, F**k You. (none)
    I was driving into the parking lot of the food coop yesterday and a Republican nearly ran me over.  I was heading to a parking space...closer to me than her and she decided she wanted that space.  I had to slam on the breaks to avoid the collision.   Then she glared at me and headed her car into the parking space.  I went my merry way, but not before noticing the "W '04" sticker on her back car window.  Under my breath I said, "F**k you."
    •  Your food co-op allows Republicans? (none)
      Not much of a food co-op. Is it one of the co-ops where you can get out of your work slot by paying extra money?

      76% of dKos readers think I'm a secret wing-nut operative!

      by Gustavo on Sun Feb 06, 2005 at 09:59:12 PM PST

      [ Parent ]

      •  We don't discriminate (none)
        You don't have to be a member to buy food there and I don't think she was a member.  When I was in shopping I noticed her looking at the magazines and then she left without buying anything.  Just scoping out the enemy, I suppose.
  •  diatribe reminds me of Henry Hill in Goodfellas (none)
    Henry Hill: [narrating] That's the way it is with a wiseguy partner. He gets his money no matter what. You got no business? Fuck you, pay me. You had a fire? Fuck you, pay me. The place got hit by lightning? Fuck you, pay me.
  •  I am a Republican and God's servant (none)
    I have an obligation to lead, a mission to persuade and a duty to order my army of  compassionates to bring my ideas to the world with the power of my guns, because I am guided and called by God the Almighty and therefore can't be wrong. If you don't understand that, fuck you.

    It is my sincerest believe that this diary is pretty fucked up by now. Time to get some rest, folks.

    Human life should be governed by truth, freedom, justice and love.

    by mimi on Sun Feb 06, 2005 at 06:15:16 PM PST

  •  Except (none)
    <dev class="blockquote">It is not only my right, it's my duty to spread freedom and democracy around the world.</dev>
    I agree with this, as I think all Democrats do. Only we actually mean it instead of using it as a rectroactive rationelle for a war gone wrong.

    Over time, we will see Democracy in Iran, China, Cuba, Saudi Arabia, Russia (for real this time), etc. Over time, all nations move towards Democracy, and I believe in helping people get there, because life tends to be a lot better with Democracy and freedom. That doesn't mean I think we should run out tommorrow and bomb any country that fails to hold open and honest elections (if only because I'm fond of Florida), but I do think it's a moral responsibility for a free nation, and a true international leader, to do all it can to further the cause of freedom. That's what being an international leader means - not just maintaining the status quo, but working to make things better (not worse, as Bush has done).

    Clinton was good at spreading freedom because he was more pragmatic than idealogical (see Eastern Europe, Pan-Slavic countries). Bush is just making Iran bigger.

    The world's address
    a place that's worn
    a sad pun that reflects a sadder mess
    In case you haven't already guessed:
    The world's a dress.

    by Jaiwithani on Sun Feb 06, 2005 at 06:17:40 PM PST

  •  I'm an American (1.62)
    and the person who wrote this article must be dumber than GW Bush because his/her vocabulary only consists of a very few wrods , the main one being "F-U" . So you are Sue ? HOW DO YOU DO ? I suppose now you want to bite off your old man's ear, and I do hope your children get a better education than you did . But from your attitude they probabely want to bite off your ear by now.
    And I do hope you didn't name all your sons after you .
  •  Thank You! (none)
    I feel much better now, kind of purified!
  •  Pastor Dan (none)
    Ya all ought to head on over to Pastor Dan's Sunday's night surmon and GET OVER IT!
  •  If it snaps for real (none)
    It will look something like this.

    Don't read unless you are prepared to be very angry with fascism.

    I couldn't afford plane fare so I ate the exotic food.

    by cskendrick on Sun Feb 06, 2005 at 07:15:18 PM PST

  •  the only thing you forgot to mention (none)
    You are not even worth feeding
  •  I'm a republican (4.00)
    What ever my current reason is for invading Iraq, that is the real reason we invaded.  Fuck you

    "He who passively accepts evil is as much involved in it as he who helps to perpetuate it." -- Dr. Martin Luther King, Jr.

    by sgilman on Sun Feb 06, 2005 at 07:23:54 PM PST

  •  I'm a Republican, Fuck You (none)
    "I'm 65, and by the time the debt comes due, I'll be dead. (Fuck you)" -- actual quote from my father, except for the "Fuck You" part.

    And now for some non-quotes:

    I'm a Republican. I have a gun, and you ain't coming near it. Fuck you.

    I'm a Republican. I don't want you imposing your values on me, telling me who I can and cannot hate. Fuck you, patronizing ninnie.

    I'm a Republican. My job has been sent oversees several times, I'm scared, and Bush is bombing brown people and telling the rest of the world to fuck off. Fuck you.

    I'm a Republican. The traditional male dominated society has been falling apart over the past 40 years, women are in the workplace, and unwed mothers are on the rise; it takes two incomes to raise a family, my health insurance covers less and less -- I don't know which of these are connected, and which of these are the causes and effects, but I sure as hell don't want to see what happens if two men get married. Fuck you.

    I'm a Republican. Birth rates declined after women entered the workforce, so that there fewer and fewer people paying into Social Security and more and more receiving benefits, leaving the system with long-term structural problems that will only be fixed by raising the cap on the regressive SSI contribution taxes. Fuck you.

    (Ok, that last one was a joke)

    76% of dKos readers think I'm a secret wing-nut operative!

    by Gustavo on Sun Feb 06, 2005 at 07:33:18 PM PST

  •  Glad to see you got everything off your chest! (none)
    I actually did something similar on my wee little blog a few days back.
  •  This Diary (3.33)
    Would the author of this diary please think about deleting it? Since Kos has become fairly newsworthy, I can just see this getting posted somewhere.  I would be soooooooooo embarrased.  I understand that you are all getting out your venom, but it is really pretty juvenile and ugly.  So, troll me if you want. I'm thinking of the welfare of this website, and I don't think that you have.  If you think that his diary is clever and interesting, it is NOT.  
  •  The funniest part is (none)
    that this diary would fit perfectly on any of the right wing blogs. It's the predominant attitude and language of these. I think this is the only kind of people they attract because I know there are intelligent, thoughtful and kind Repubs; I know more than a few of them; they just don't participate in blogs.

    I'm not even concerned by the idiots and those with limited capacity to think beyond their noses. I also know more than a few of these and they are NOT successful people either personally or professionally.

    The intelligent ones lack knowledge and a forum for accepting the values of humanity. Our society gives very little visible public outlet for this. So, many people who miss their daddy gravitate to the Republicans looking for someone to tell them how to live.

    I have children, grandchildren and those whom I mentor. They are all great people who care about the world around them. I don't have time for the hateful daddie's boys and girls who think it's necessary to kill anyone who doesn't agree with them. They can shout "my daddy can beat up your daddy" all they want.

    There, there, it's okay so you can wipe away your tears. You will be okay without your daddy.

  •  I'm a Democrat (4.00)
    I'm a democrat and MILLIONS of Americans, (including me) have no health insurance.It's not just about the elderly or children or the disabled (and as both of my daughters are disabled, this is not an abstract for us), it's about the wealthiest nation on earth (if you overlook the plunging dollar) saying fuck you to just about all of its citizens. Trying to stay upbeat here in the ATL. :o)
  •  One more (4.00)
    I'm a Republican. I can't have my kids in public school learning for non-Christian teachers and associating with non-Christian kids, who may have non-traditional families. Your kids go to public schools? Fuck you.

    So I home-school my kids. All my friends home-school their kids, too. My wife is a stay-at-home mom and school teacher. You can't afford to have your wife stay home? Fuck you. Work harder.

  •  Woohooo!!! (none)
    I love this diary!

    I felt good just reading it.

    It sums up my family to a tee.

    Sad, but true!

    http://www.democratpassions.com

    by worker on Sun Feb 06, 2005 at 08:00:15 PM PST

  •  asdf (4.00)
    Didn't read all the comments, but I love some Republicans - my dad.

    They suck in general but not fuck you to all of them.  

    The truth is found when men are free to pursue it. FDR, 1936 Go fuck yourself. Dick Cheney, 2004

    by aimeeinkc on Sun Feb 06, 2005 at 08:01:31 PM PST

  •  I'm a Republican, (4.00)
    and I'm gonna be raptured in about a year and a half, just a soon as the comet comes for me, so fuck you, all you Janet Jackson nipple loving secular humanists, cuz you're all going to die in a sea of fire.  Thus sayeth the Lord.

    What is essential is invisible.

    by bebimbob on Sun Feb 06, 2005 at 08:03:00 PM PST

  •  I'm wondering (3.00)
    I'm wondering how many people who contributed virtol to this diary are actaully old enough to vote? Seriously, you guys, this is NOT the image we want to promote.  If I had just landed on this planet and this was the first communication that I had read, I'd say "those Democrats are nuts.  They are sooo crazy and hateful."  
    •  Well... (none)
      I agree with you, but I also agree with Sue in NH.

      Let's not do what our ideological opposites tend to do: make everything black or white, this or that.

      I think Sue in NH is actually getting to part of a bigger problem: the fact that most of us on the left find the Republican mindset to be so bafflingly stupid that there are times when we need to resort to what may certainly be called "childish" tactics to get our point across.

      And, in my opinion, if conservatives are going to think and act like three-year olds, we sure as hell better start talking to them like they are three-year olds.

      •  I have a repug friend too (none)
        I try to be respectful in my conversations with her.  But it is very difficult at times. Actually, I have failed miserably in being polite to her.  But she is 79 years old and I feel guilty about verbally beating up on her.  
        •  I feel your pain... (none)
          I live in a 70+% Republican area (and I can count my Democratic friends on one hand).

          It's honestly getting to the point where I have no desire to even have a conversation with them anymore (for the countless reasons I listed in my blog).

          I can't wait to get to Madison next year...

    •  I'm with you (none)
      this might seem amusing, but the demonizaton of Republicans and the political right on this site definitely reaches high levels of hypocrisy and irrationality.  I really hope folks aren't talking like this in the real world.  
    •  You are welcome to your opinion. (none)
      In the meantime, I think this diary sums up the callous disregard that the republican party is pushing on this country, and the rest of the world.

      The passing of laws that promote the destruction of the environment. The consistent drumbeat of 'no taxes' no matter what...despite the de-valuation of the dollar throughout the world due to run-away deficits, with no end in sight. The zealous religiousity of their defense in their actions. The lack of interest in what the deficit is going to do to their children and grandchildren...because hey, "It's My Money", give it back NOW.

      I hope this diary is recommended and stays on the homepage for a month.

      http://www.democratpassions.com

      by worker on Sun Feb 06, 2005 at 08:34:18 PM PST

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      •  Callus Disregard (none)
        I agree with you regarding the callus disregard, but most of it is comimg from Bush and his cabinet.  Yeah, it it coming from my repug friend too.  Bottom line, I am dismayed with my country.  I am afriad for my counry.  I do not hate my counry.  But I do hate the highjackers who have taken over my counry.  We need to figure out a way to stop them.  This would very well be the end of the world as we know it, my friends.  But the answer to this is not hate, I'm not sure what it is, but I know that it is not hate.  
        •  you are under-educated on this issue (none)
          You think Sue's line items are OVER-THE-TOP?

          Sorry but you have not been around much. These could easily be actual quotes from my siblings in New Orleans, Houston and Charlotte.

          Before you get so righteous, do your homework please.

          .
          And again, irrespective of anything, she was doing some venting. Big deal. Have you ever "broken wind" in public? If so, how can you live with yourself?

    •  would you please STFU? (4.00)
      MUST this diary be labeled "rant" for you to get it?

      NEWSFLASH:  SUE DOESN'T LITERALLY HATE EVERY SINGLE REPUBLICAN. she just hates the married ones.

  •  "Rich Republicans" (none)
    Frankly, I can understand rich republicans. I see what is in it for them. It is the southern low income repub voters that baffle me.
    The repubs didn't win this election by appealing solely to the groups you mention. They won it by appealing to ordinary people who don't necessarily have good health care, don't live in gated communities and don't have summer homes. (And, I think, by fixing Ohio and Florida...) They are the ones whose children are being sent to die in Iraq. They're the ones whose jobs are being outsourced. And, they're the ones who will suffer most under a privatized social security system.
    •  and main street Republicans (none)
      Sue's diary is imo scorching hyperbole, but it serves a purpose.
      As a Kerry supporter living in Ariz., I was just amazed at how my coworkers would want to cast their votes for the shrub. The ones who come to mind are decent women, mostly married and in their middle years. I think their mindset is that we're conservative, W is a good old boy, and that's the end of it. And therein lies part of the problem, what I perceive as disengagement from the important issues that were before the voters. The hands off approach and the security issue in the wake of Sept 11 (elevated by this admin's fear mongering) precluded any consideration of Kerry's positions.
      What Democrats, at all levels of elective office and in the grassroots have to do, is to reshape the values campaign, which Sens. Reid and others are starting to now do effectively.
  •  Hi Sue (none)
    I'm not the one you were posting to but I was in PastorDan's Diary.  The venting doesn't bother me.  I figured it was ventingwhen I read your diary a couple of hours ago.  Just remember that, like jet fuel, anger gets your butt off the ground, but you don't want to drink the stuff.

    Also, don't assume that love indicates weakness.  Cool decisions to act with discipline can be extremely effective.  There was nothing weak about Bishop Romero, or the Bros. Berrigan.  They refused to hate but they also did NOT back down. And, forgiving definitely doesn't mean relieving the forgiven of responsability.

    Prayer is a cleansing act, focusing one on the work at hand.  It's as much a dialogue with oneself as with God, a self reminder of what it means to be human.  That's all.  I'm glad you came and hope you'll join the conversation.  

  •  Yes (2.50)
    I appreciate your opinion.  I also understand the frustration of the "hate" thread.  I become very frustrated too.  But I do not resort to hate.  That's just not me.  "Hate" is what has fueled this whole disaster (Iraq) Rather than "hate" I resort to "contempt," which I suppose is not much better.  I really dislike seeing that sort of diary on Kos.  It is less than what we all stand for.  
  •  it frightens me because (none)
    I'm a republican. I hate homosexuals.  When I think of gay people, I think of of man-on-dog, horse on woman, threesomes, and other sexual fantasies, and that frightens me.  If you are queer, or have a queer friend, Fuck you.

    It frightens me because it makes me feel inadequate. Gay people confuse me.

    And you didn't quote Page quite correctly. The original is:

    "Do not go gentle into that good night,
    Old age should burn and rave at close of day;
    Rage, rage against the dying of the light." - Dylan Thomas, 1952

    Yesterday we stood at the abyss; today we are taking a step forward.

    by peeder on Sun Feb 06, 2005 at 09:37:02 PM PST

  •  How would you feel (none)
    if I used that as a monologue in a show for my Multicultural Drama Company at UCSB? It would be so fun to perform!
  •  Response (3.50)
    Hmmmm...I am feeling a little defensive right now.  I actually am a registered Republican and it is great to feel all the love!:)

    I have a comfortable living and come from a relatively privileged family.  I realize that I had opportunities afforded to me that are not available to everyone who lives in this country.  I am under no illusion that I would be in the same spot I am today if I had grown up in poverty.

    Gated communities are not my style, and I don't want my children to attend private schools as I believe public education gives children a better sense of community (and they are less sheltered).  I am fortunate to have the means to move to an area in the next year or two (when my fiance and I will start having children) with great public schools to raise my children.  I do care about your kids and want them to get a good public education.  I am happy to see my tax dollars used towards that end.  I am a selfish prick that way.  I realize it is in my own interest to have less poverty in this country as that means my family and I will be less likely to encounter violent crime.

    I am agnostic.  I don't know if God exists or not.  If he does exist, I don't claim to know his preferences and certainly don't presume to judge anyone based on their sexual preference, etc.  The religious right scares me as much as it does the folks here.

    I am strongly considering changing my voting registration from Republican to Independent in the next couple of years.  I am holding out hope for the 2008 election but if another guy like Bush is nominated, I am out of this party.  Seeing diaries like this does not make me want to be a part of the Democratic party.

    •  Imagine if (none)
      a hardcore neo-con Repub wrote a satirical piece about Democrats...wouldn't we all be portrayed as pot smoking bike riding barefoot hippies who want guns outlawed, socialism, and state sanctioned gay marriage in every church?
      Not that I'm not down with all of that...
    •  Great, it gives me a chance to engage (none)
      a Republican again. I had an acquaintance with whom I carried on a long running email conversation that ended when he said he didn't care about facts. When he defended Bush on foreign policy and economic policy I felt free to send him facts that refuted Bush "facts". When I presented Bush lies as opposed to shading the truth he still defended Bush. In the end, he fell apart in the onslaught of so many facts that showed how much of a failure Bush has been that he went into meltdown.

      Not all Republicans are that way and you certainly seem capable of a reasonable discussion on policy. Personally, I do hate some Republicans - Bush, Cheney, Wolfowicz - but can make the distinction between them and Republicans like you seem to be.

      I was a Republican up 'til Clinton second term. Then became an Independent which is still how I'm registered. Nowadays, voting Republican seems extremely difficult because it means support for Bush. I'm still amazaed that moderate and reasonalble Republicans can do that but when I realize how many people party-line vote it doesn't bother me as much.

      Don't color us all by this thread and please contribute. Most of us really do like an honest discussion of the issues and in the end we all - Americans - will benefit.

  •  Amusing (none)
    I'm always amused with people that hate people because they "hate."
  •  Cheney (none)
    Don't cheney a Republican, Democrats are much better in bed! Why waste your time?

    Across the River http://acrossriver.blogspot.com

    by Marines Girl on Sun Feb 06, 2005 at 09:56:08 PM PST

  •  Black people get too many breaks as is (none)
    They should be kissing our republican feet, and work harder, and stop complaining about discrimination that ended decades ago. Fuck you.
    •  You've got to be kidding (none)
      with a comment like this. What kind of discussion is this? Do you want to talk about it some or is it more fun to vent and hate those you don't even know?
      •  I think the irony missed you (none)
        There are a lot of republicans who think discrimination ended 40 years ago, after the civil rights movement. There are a lot of republicans who think that affirmative action is bad because they encourage "the soft bigotry of low expectations". There are a lot of republicans who think black folks aren't working hard and blaming all their problems on the system, which does more for them than anyone else.

        I couldn't disagree more.

        I'd LOVE to debate every single republican I could find on this issue.

        •  You're right I missed it (none)
          I've been spending time on right wing sites and this is exactly the sort of message that they'd post.
          •  Yep (none)
            That's the whole point.  Did you read the initial diary posting that satirized modern republican attitudes?

            "You beat on this prick enough, he'll tell ya he started the Chicago fire - that don't necessarily make it so!" -Nice Guy Eddie, Reservoir Dogs

            by Subterranean on Mon Feb 07, 2005 at 02:31:48 AM PST

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        •  Uh uh (none)
          See my post below; this just dawned on me, but the reason that many market losers support the "there should be haves and have-nots; my kids will be the haves; yours will be the have-nots" GOP is that they gain an almost commensurate utility in what I label the "social market."  The GOP has implicitly promised to ensure that whites and Xtians maintain uppermost positions in the social hierarchy; those who might be financial market losers gain immense satisfaction (utility) from the GOP's promise to entrench a social market structure in which they are winners.  For non-racists and non-homophobes, this makes little sense.  But for those for whom social dominance is as important as money, the GOP's "moral values" coding which promises white, Xtian dominance, gives them enough utility for them to hitch their wagon to a group which is clearly ensuring that they will never participate fully in the economic (class-based) market.
          •  Call it cognitive dissonance (none)
            But I don't think a lot of republican voters see it that way. Like "yeah we could help them, but I'm greedy".

            They see it as a moral issue, about irresponsibility and laziness and so forth. They don't want to "reward" people who "don't work".

            "Yeha we could help them, but we'd be rewarding irresponsibility and laziness. The poor need to work harder! Give a man a fish and he'll eat for a day, but teach a man to fish and he'll eat for life! We live in a country where anyone can make it! SUCK IT UP!"

  •  You're a Republican? (none)
    You're a Republican?  How precious.  Which lie or collection of lies are you hanging your support on?  Which race or class or sexual orientation or nation do you hate the most?  How do you determine who is annointed and who is unworthy?  

    Oh, I almost forgot.  You're a Republican?  Fuck you.

    •  He may be a Republican (none)
      (BTW - i am not, but i am not Democrat as well, and may only say "Thanks God" after reading your posts), but he is surely not idiot, what can't be said aboit you. So, Sir, swallow your words back - fuck you!!!!
  •  Thread Killer (4.00)
    Geesh, I'd hate to have been around with some of you all in 1939 Germany.  

    Me:  I HATE those fucking Nazis!

    Naysayer:  But not all Nazis are bad, some of them just stay in the party to earn a living for their families.  You really shouldn't hate so much, because then we all lose.  Let's quict complaining and start doing something, like writing letters urging Hitler to stop awardig no-bid contracts to companies like DEGESCH (Deutsche Gesellschaft für Schädlingsbekämpfung - German Pest Control Co.).

    Me:  Fuck you!

    "You beat on this prick enough, he'll tell ya he started the Chicago fire - that don't necessarily make it so!" -Nice Guy Eddie, Reservoir Dogs

    by Subterranean on Mon Feb 07, 2005 at 02:29:00 AM PST

  •  Wow (none)
    You sound just like Ann Coulter
  •  Popular (none)
    hmmm, let's see, most people in America, and around the world tend to "idolize" actors, sports players, corp CEO's, talk show hosts, media moguls, anyone who is in the "lime-light"
      I beleive most of the vote for the BushCo came from "wanna-be's"
      I have seen the attitude that Sue describes, and it IS REAL.
      If these people are so stupid to jump on the "idealology" band wagon....that wagon is gonna hit a bump,,,,and most will fall off...that's when we either pick them up and dust them off with "Truth" or say.....

    FUCK YOU.....

      Our choice.....what will yours be??

      (mine will be to give them the truth, and turn things around)

      But in the meantime...FUCK YOU "W"

    click those ruby slippers together 3 times, and you and that dog get your ass back to kansas.. ~@^@~ ?

    by infidelpig on Mon Feb 07, 2005 at 04:44:31 AM PST

  •  On point (4.00)
    in many respects.  The whole modern GOP strategy is to ensure that current market winners and losers are generationally entrenched.  This is anti-competition in almost pure form: ensure that your progeny never has to compete with  full spectrum of talent in the market and disable class fluidity by ensuring that your children have access to educational, political, and social opportunities that most others don't.  When market positions are thus entrenched, scream about the "free market" and your attendant lack of responsibility to contribute to the commons.  

    What's counterintuitive is that much of the GOP's constituency are also predetermined market losers whose children are being undereducated and arbitrarily shut out of the opportunities to ascend to an upper class.  This portion is not necessarily irrational; they gain utility by the "social conservatism" of the GOP: "I'm white; I'm Xtian, I'm heterosexual and therefore I have a permanent, entrenched 'winner' position in the social market; I will do all that I can to ensure that the 'enemies' of multiculturalism and egalitarianism do not threaten this 'winner' position."

    The GOP, despite the rhetoric to the contrary, is all about entrenching (financial and social) market positions by undercutting the possibilities of competition and maintaining a social order by which financial market losers can nonetheless gain almost commensurate utility via a winners position in a social market with the GOP's implicit promise to maintain white, Xtian "moral values."

    This party and its constituency weaken this country immeasurably.

    •  you think they're that smart? (none)
      I wouldn't give them that much credit.

      Maybe the ones with the means to fund think tanks and institutionalize their monopoly positions, but they're a small miniroty.  They don't even vote.  They have people who do that for them.

      Several stone sizes down from those sophisticated, Machiavellian message manipulator types are the fans of Bill O'Reilly who really believe father knows best.  In other words.

      If Falafel Boy said it, it must be true!  Fuck you!

      •  Intuitively, (none)
        they get the message: "vote for me and I'll ensure that multiculturalism, feminism, homosexuality, and divergence from Xtianity are viewed as (at least partially) illegitimate vis-a-vis your 'moral values.'"  They get it, and the GOP has made several conscious decisions to pander to it.
  •  Sad... (4.00)
    While I understand the need for venting and the rage you feel, I am saddened if the thought process of people on Kos is to hate those who hate us.  Our duty as progressives in this country is not to hate but to love those who misunderstand us.  Only through love of our enemy will we show them the truth.  

    Their hate paints them for what they truly are.  Their hate shows how small and wrong they are.  Their hate shows the truth, and if met with love and compassion the contrast will show very clearly to people.

    Do not love for the sake of "winning" however.  Be sincere and love these poor deluded souls because they are human.  They were born into this world in the same way you were, and somewhere along the way their minds were corrupted by lies.  Let's help them...not just say "Fuck you" to them.

    Galatians 6:9-And let us not be weary in well doing: for in due season we shall reap, if we faint not.

    by Haroshia on Mon Feb 07, 2005 at 06:04:13 AM PST

    •  Agreed (none)
      There are most probably some very good pointers as to why some voted for Bush in the above comments. Esp. Tax cuts.

      But how do you counter the underlying selfishness & greed?

      "The lie can be maintained only for such time as the State can shield the people from the political, economic and/or military consequences of the lie"

      by Little Hamster on Mon Feb 07, 2005 at 06:14:04 AM PST

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    •  Thank you (none)
      Thank you for this post.  The Republican Party has sadly become the party of will.  Progressives must counter that with love.
  •  Republican Values (none)

    "The lie can be maintained only for such time as the State can shield the people from the political, economic and/or military consequences of the lie"

    by Little Hamster on Mon Feb 07, 2005 at 06:06:33 AM PST

  •  And to think there was a time when the Republican (none)
    party used to be sane.  MLK even considered supporting Nixon in 1960 because he was relatively progressive on civil rights and the Dem party was weighted down with segregationist legislators.  This Republican Party version 6.0 needs to be retired permanently and replaced by a sane version.  I think they should be out of power for 20 years beginning in 2008.  Then they'll have a chance to mature.
  •  Good rant. (none)
    But what gets me isn't the haves and the have-mores. I understand why they're Repugs. It's all part of being a piggy.

    What I wanna know is why are minorities, women, gays, and poor white folks who live in run-down trailer parks Republicans?

    The less a man knows about how sausages and laws are made, the easier it is to steal his vote and give him botulism.

    by SensibleShoes on Mon Feb 07, 2005 at 06:42:49 AM PST

  •  I'm sure it makes you feel good. (none)
    But what does it do to win us elections?

    Do you think that the pluralities that overwhelmingly elected Clinton suddenly became 'evil' and 'greedy'.  Or do you think they were given a more compelling vision of the world by George Bush?  Demonizing the people we need to convice to vote for Democrats doesn't seem like a great strategy.

    Maybe reading Lakoff could help you with some nuance.  

  •  I'm a Republican and You need my vote (3.14)
    You know what?  It's just this attitude that has gotten you Dems where you are.  I often say that I'm a Republican because I'm not a Democrat and your garbage just proves my point.  Democrats are too stupid to deserve my support.  Yeah, I vote for a lot of them, including our new Democrat US Senator and our new Democrat Senate President and even that idiot Kerry.  But with attitudes and crap like this on the web, you just walk into the wing-nuts argument that you are so far out of the mainstream that it is too scary to vote for you, even though I may agree with you most of the time. So, here's the deal.  Grow up.  Figure out that to win (which is the only thing in politics) you need to get folks like me and my neighbors in my hoity toity neighborhood whose kids go mostly to public schools and private colleges and who struggle to pay lots of taxes and live a nice life to vote for folks like you.  You guys are so dumb.  You can't figure out wedge politics to save your souls.  Its so funny.  You're so sanctimonious about not getting down in the gutter that you've let yourself get smeared and beaten into minority party status that might last a long time.  If you think things are bad now, wait until Roe is overturned, the commerce clause is so stricly interpreted that almost no federal legislation will stand the test and the ten comandments are on the steps of evey courthouse in the country.  Get real.
    •  From recipesource.com (1.50)
                                    Family Meat Loaf

       Recipe By     : Mary Gould
       Serving Size  : 6    Preparation Time :0:45
       Categories    : Hamburger                        Main Dishes
                       Microwave

         Amount  Measure       Ingredient -- Preparation Method
       --------  ------------  --------------------------------
          1 1/2  Pounds        Ground Beef, Extra Lean
            2/3  Cup           Quick-Cooking Oats
          1      Cup           Milk, 1% Lowfat
          1      Teaspoon      Salt
            1/8  Teaspoon      Pepper
            1/4  Teaspoon      Poultry Seasoning
          2                    Eggs
          1      Teaspoon      Worcestershire Sauce
          1                    Onions -- Chopped
            1/4  Cup           Brown Sugar, Packed
          2      Teaspoons     Mustard
            1/8  Teaspoon      Ground Nutmeg
            1/2  Cup           Catsup

       Combine first 9 ingredients.  Put in round microwave-safe tube pan.  Combine
      remaining ingredients and pour over top of meat mixture.  Microwave at 70%
      power for about 15 minutes or until temperature probe says 160 degrees.  Let
      stand 5 minutes.  Cut in half and transfer to serving plate if desired.

      Galatians 6:9-And let us not be weary in well doing: for in due season we shall reap, if we faint not.

      by Haroshia on Mon Feb 07, 2005 at 06:56:41 AM PST

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    •  dKos is unlevened progressive bread, kind person (none)
      Thanks for sharing.  Personally, I wish more people would advocate a balanced dialogue rather than some of the steady diet of outlandish demagoguery we get.  So cheers to you and your courage to speak your piece.

      Sometimes it's fun to play with the stereotypes, and I think everyone here knows better.

      But at this end of the teeter toter, we try jumping up and down as hard and as fast as we can because we know that's what the morons on the other end of the teeter totter are doing and we're not just going to say "Fuck it! You can have everything your way."

      The mass in the middle will always be dead weight IMHO.

      If Roe gets overturned women will still get abortions and the Immoral Majority will still think a coat hanger is a better instrument than a trained physician.

    •  Rhymes with . . . (none)
      What rhymes with:

      Bot a Goal Toast?

      (to the recipe poster / troll feeder above) This is soooooooooooooooooooooo not a troll post.  Its the guys' opinion -- and judging by the "nice rant but is the place for it" crowd here, not exactly a fringe point or feeling.

      I appreciate the recipe.  But if you want to feed trolls, wait for a troll to show up.

      •  I guess. (none)
        I must have read it wrong.  Maybe it was sarcastic.  I just got by the tone of the post that he was being trollish.  Although there's so many F-bombs in here I'm sure I set of my work's filter and I won't be able to read DKos anymore.

        Then again it does say "Fuck" in the title so my bad...

        Galatians 6:9-And let us not be weary in well doing: for in due season we shall reap, if we faint not.

        by Haroshia on Mon Feb 07, 2005 at 12:03:20 PM PST

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    •  Move to the center (none)
      But find a wedge issue to fuck over your opponent?  But if we do that, we're too far out of the mainstream.  So, stay put, move right, but don't do anything except get down in the mud.  Well, that's ... something.

      I thought the new mantra was, you'll never get a Republican vote, so stop that and get the base "energized."

      "No. I'm pretty fuckin' far from OK."

      by moltar on Mon Feb 07, 2005 at 09:46:49 AM PST

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      •  What???? (none)
        I didn't see any suggestion of "move to the center" in the comment you've questioned.

        There're plenty of reasons that too many American voters have refused to vote for our guys. It may be hard to accept, but the voters have the final voice. They've spoken.

        Until the Democrats find and give voice to their values, too many folks from coast to coast will ask what they stand for, and will find it hard to support them.

        vote early - vote often

        by wystler on Mon Feb 07, 2005 at 09:52:45 PM PST

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  •  I am never wrong (none)
    I'm a republican. God acts through me when I am correct and forgives me whenever and however I am wrong because I go to church and recite bibilical phrases and ask for forgiveness.  Why do I have to listen to you, and BTW, fuck you to!

    I do feel better!

    Political censorship is the root of all evil! It is the antithesis to a functional democracy!!

    by truthbetold on Mon Feb 07, 2005 at 07:35:05 AM PST

  •  Sue (none)
    you go girl.  you speak for at least 49.5% of the country, maybe more, we'll probably never really know.

    All those who believe in psychokinesis raise my hand. Steven Wright

    by Sargent Pepper on Mon Feb 07, 2005 at 07:51:31 AM PST

  •  Isn't that a bit too harsh? (none)
    The mentally challenged need to be pitied and not made fun of. How else would you explain a trailer park resident red-neck with no insurance, support a party hell-bent on abusing him and his kind just to make a few extra bucks for the rich 4% of the party?

    46% of Americans have been convinced that their "real enemy" is the other 46%, and we have swallowed it hook, line and sinker.

    We are liberals and progressives and are supposed to know better. The enemy is the one who has managed to divide us and set us upon each other's throat while they laugh all the way to the bank.

  •  Democrats Suck Too! (none)
    Let's recruit Fidel Castro to run the USA.
  •  I'm surprised there hasn't been a mention of... (none)
    ...Dean's "I hate Republicans and everything they stand for" comment in this diary.  Seems appropriate to be mentioned, me thinks. :-P
  •  Not all republicans are rich. (none)

    I have nothing to say.

    by calistan on Mon Feb 07, 2005 at 09:35:34 AM PST

  •  OT (none)
    Martin Scorsese makes the best fucking movies!
  •  I think your message (none)
    was a tad too subtle. Am I to understand that you have an issue or two with the gops?

    Well now baby, get into my big black car. I want to just show you what my politics are.

  •  Bravo! (none)
    God, I needed this!  

    "Our lives begin to end the day we become silent about things that matter." ~Martin Luther King, Jr

    by SarahLee on Mon Feb 07, 2005 at 10:45:03 AM PST

  •  Sorry, but I completely disagree with this crap (none)
    I know that it's fun to type fuck, and to fling around stereotypes, and vent and all that, but this kind of thing is SO COUNTERPRODUCTIVE I cant even stand it.

    Whats the point of a rant like this?  All it does is add to the divisive bullshit that is being spread around.  And then its equally appalling to see so many just jump on the bandwagon.  For God's sake we're all Americans, we all live in the same country.  I see no benefit in spreading this type of hate ridden speech.  Sorry.

    How the hell can we as a country be expected to deal with other nations, to solve problems peacefully with other nations if we cant even avoid this type of discourse among ourselves???

    This sounds just as bad as the crap that I hear Ann Coulter spit out.

    I know plenty of Republicans, and many of them are nice people.  I might strongly disagree with them on some issues...but thats their right to have their opinion, thats how this whole thing works.  I dont hate them, I just try to understand their perspectives, and to get them to see mine.  Sometimes it works, sometimes it doesnt.  But I keep trying.

    Respect will get us all alot further than hate, but thats just my opinion.

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