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Worst. President. Ever. [UPDATE: 2% of African Americans approve of Bush's Presidency]

Wed Oct 12, 2005 at 05:18:37 PM PDT

Bush's numbers are stuck in the mud.

The [NBC News/Wall Street Journal] poll shows that Bush's approval rating stands at 39 percent, a new low for the president. In the last NBC/Wall Street Journal survey, which was released in mid-September, 40 percent approved of Bush's job performance while 55 percent disapproved. In addition, just 28 percent believe the country is headed in the right direction, another all-time low in Bush's presidency.

Indeed...

"Any way you slice this data, I think these are just terrible sets of numbers," said Democratic pollster Peter D. Hart, who conducted this survey with Republican pollster Bill McInturff.
It appears Bush's ratings have hit rock bottom and none of his usual shtick is digging him out.  He's now made 8 make-up visits to the Gulf Coast, ostensibly as repentance for the few days of vacation he refused to relinquish at the time of the Katrina catastrophe.  He's made two "major" speeches, one in New Orleans and the other on Iraq.  John Roberts is now Chief Justice, and he's appointed Harriet Miers for Sandra Day O'Connor's seat.

[UPDATE: From Tim Russert's presentation of the poll numbers on NBC Nightly News and not found on msnbc.com]

Russert reports that only 2 percent, yes, two percent, of African Americans approve of the President's handling of his job.

Russert also reports that the 9 percent advantage for Democrats on the question of who should control Congress in 2006 is the largest spread in the favor of one party in ten years. And ten years ago? That was the last time the Democrats had control of Congress before they were swept out by the GOP.

[Back to original post...]

Miers appears to be part of the problem...

The Miers nomination, however, has disappointed some of the president's conservative supporters, because they say she lacks judicial experience and a clear conservative record on social issues. According to the poll, 29 percent say she's qualified to serve on the Supreme Court, while 24 percent think she's unqualified. Forty-six percent say they don't know enough about her.

There's some even better news emerging from the poll...

On Delay and Frist:

The poll also finds that strong majorities don't believe that the recent charges against GOP leaders Tom DeLay of Texas and Bill Frist of Tennessee are politically motivated. Sixty-five percent say that DeLay's indictment on charges of illegally using corporate contributions for political campaigns suggests potential illegal activity, while 24 percent say the indictment is politics as usual and has little merit... 57 percent say Frist's sale of stock in a company his family runs -- just before the value of the stock declined -- indicates potential illegal activity, compared with 28 percent who say the charge has little merit.

On a Democratically-controlled Congress...

In addition, with 13 months until the 2006 congressional elections, 48 percent say they prefer a Democratic-controlled Congress, compared with 39 percent who want the Republicans to control Capitol Hill. In fact, that nine-point difference is the largest margin between the parties in the 11 years the NBC/Journal poll has been tracking this question.

Not to rejoice in other people's pain, but it's about time that the American people saw the Republicans for who and what they are.  Is this the beginning of the downfall of the Republican Party for the next several years?  Have their excesses finally come back to slay the beast?  Is it too late?

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  •  The Rebublicans Problem... (none / 0)

    Their problem has alwaays been overextending their power until it offends people.  If they weren't so arrogant, they'd reule this country for the forseeeable future.

    Wait until they reverse Roe V. Wade.  Then people will take notice.

    •  as they say... (none / 0)

      absolute power corrupts absolutely.  (i.e. controlling every lever of power in government will give you the impression that you are utterly unbeatable and lead you to do things that you otherwise would not be so foolish to even contemplate, much less attempt to implement, like nominating a wholly-unqualified person to the highest court in the land)

      it doesn't matter the political affiliation, although one hopes that certain political ideologies are less susceptible to the corrupting influencing of power, i honestly think that it ain't that way.

      -7.63, -5.79 Work like you don't need the money, Love like you've never been hurt, and Dance like nobody's watching.

      by sfluke on Wed Oct 12, 2005 at 05:41:12 PM PDT

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    •  But What Power of Theirs is Cuddly? (none / 0)

      Even most of Reagan's policies were opposed by majorities in polling, so long as his identity was kept detached from them as I recall.

      I'm hard pressed to think of anything they stand for that a majority would ever have supported--in the absence of Republican sponsored, Republican owned & Republican influenced national information infrastructure.

      They create and distribute the common reality we experience, and their outright ownership or sponsorship gives them all the debate space that mass populations can access.

      That gives them a certain edge in the P.R. game.

      We are called to speak for the weak, for the voiceless, for victims of our nation and for those it calls enemy.... --ML King "Beyond Vietnam"

      by Gooserock on Wed Oct 12, 2005 at 07:34:32 PM PDT

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  •  Schadenfreude (none / 1)

    It ain't just for breakfast anymore

    "It's just like the 60's, only with less hope." -Justin Bond in the film "Shortbus" (-6.38/ -4.21)

    by wonkydonkey on Wed Oct 12, 2005 at 05:19:54 PM PDT

  •  The Worst President Ever (none / 0)

    was by a landslide Woodrow Wilson.  He allowed the original and very bloody Red Scare to take place (it was even encouraged by his AG and a special committee).  Helped design the American Legion as a union and commy busting organization (those are its real roots).  Sold the world into the Great Depression by being completely owned at the Paris Peace Conference (even when we had all the leverage).  And finally, sold the unions down the river as soon as the great war ended.  Bush may be the second worst president, but not the worst (yet).
    •  Wilson was a self-righteous prig.,,,. (none / 1)

      but intelligent, capable and not corrupt. Some of the things you mentioned happened after his stroke when his wife and Colonel House were running things. Until this administration I would have given Harding my vote for last place , incompetent and corrupt, but the current president wins hands down. George W Bush the "Disaster President".

      CHRISTIAN, n. One who believes that the New Testament is a divinely inspired book admirably suited to the spiritual needs of his neighbor. A. Bierce

      by irate on Wed Oct 12, 2005 at 05:37:39 PM PDT

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      •  The reason (none / 1)

        I gave Wilson my low rating is that he was intelligent and liberal (to the extent of the times), which makes his mistakes and abuses that much worse.  Bush may be a disaster, but he has two things going for him, he is predictable and he is consistent.
        •  Bush is predictable and consistent. (none / 1)

               If there's a bad option he'll take it. He has us in a quagmire in Iraq and Afghanistan, has alienated many of our allies, destroyed American credibility, ruined our economy  and generally made the world less safe. Wilson had his faults, Bush has them tto a power of ten. They aren't in the same class as human beings or leaders.

          CHRISTIAN, n. One who believes that the New Testament is a divinely inspired book admirably suited to the spiritual needs of his neighbor. A. Bierce

          by irate on Wed Oct 12, 2005 at 06:03:10 PM PDT

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          •  You are missing my point (none / 1)

            Bush is bad, but what Wilson did was much worse.  Bush is helping those who elected him, just screwing everyone else.  Wilson screwed the very people who got him into office.  He turned his back on the unions in order to increase support for his international agenda.  He then turned his back on his pledge for a fair peace in order to get a couple of his 14 points (which sold us into depression 10 years later).  My point was that Bush is bad, but he is predictable and consistent ("stay the course").  Wilson had his agenda (which was his alone) and acted in any manner possible to get what he wanted even if he had to sell his own supporters down the river.  Bush very well could be the worst ever, but I think we are going to need some time to figure that out.
    •  Wow - Wilson is rated... (none / 1)

      as great or near great by 28 of 29 historians who voted in a survey in 1996 by Arthur Schlesinger!

      This is the first time I've ever heard this kind of appraisal.  His accomplishments seem to carry a lot of weight with experts. Schlesinger quoted FDR on our top-rated presidents:

      "All our great presidents," said Franklin D. Roosevelt, "were leaders of thought at times when certain ideas in the life of the nation had to be clarified." So Washington embodied the idea of federal union, Jefferson and Jackson the idea of democracy, Lincoln union and freedom, Cleveland rugged honesty. Theodore Roosevelt and Wilson, said FDR, were both "moral leaders, each in his own way and his own time, who used the presidency as a pulpit."  

      He also quotes Wilson himself: "I do not believe," said Wilson, "that any man can lead who does not act . . . under the impulse of a profound sympathy with those whom he leads -- a sympathy which is insight -- an insight which is of the heart rather than of the intellect."  

      That alone sure disqualifies Bush!

      •  Read a few (none / 0)

        books about the times and you will see why Wilson was utterly bad.  I recommend Over Here by David Kennedy and 1919 by Eliot Asinof.  Both are excellent reads and both display how Wilson's "morals" were very single focused and bad for the people at the time (and the people of the world under the depression he ended up enabling).  Wilson allowed his morals and ideals to sell the Germans down the river in order to get a few scraps of his 14 points even though he knew what the consequences would be.
        •  Also see "Lies My Teacher Told Me" (none / 0)

          by Dr. James W. Loewen. (His Homepage).

          He specifically addresses the "Wilson Myth" and attributes it to poor history textbooks.

          From pages 12 and 13:

            What we did not learn about Woodrow Wilson is even more remarkable.  When I ask my college students to tell me what they recall about President Wilson, they respond with enthusiasm.  They say that Wilson led our country reluctantly into World War I and after the war led the struggle nationally and internationally to establish the League of Nations.  They associate Wilson with progressive causes like women's suffrage.  A handful of students recall the Wilson administration's Palmer Raids against left-wing unions. But my students seldom know or speak about two antidemocratic policies that Wilson carried out: his racial segregation of the federal government and his military interventions in foreign countries.  
            Under Wilson, the United States intervened in Latin America more often than at any other time in our history.  We landed troops in Mexico in 1914, Hati in 1915, the Dominican Republic in 1916, Mexico again in 1916 (and nine more times before the end of Wilson's presidency), Cuba in 1917, and Panama in 1918.  Throughout his administration Wilson maintained forces in Nicaragua, using them to determine Nicaragua's president and to force passage of a treaty preferential to the United States

          From page 17:

            At home, Wilson's racial policies disgraced the office he held.  His Republican predecessors had routinely appointed blacks to important offices, including those of port collector for New Orleans and the District of Columbia and register of the treasury.  Presidents sometimes appointed African Americans as postmasters, particularly in southern towns with large black populations.
          <snip...>
          Woodrow Wilson, for whom many African Americans voted in 1912, changed all that.  A southerner, Wilson had been president of Princeton, the only major northern university that refused to admit blacks.  He was an outspoken white supremacist - his wife was even worse - and told "darky" stories in cabinet meetings.  His administration submitted a legislative program intended to curtail the civil rights of African Americans, but Congress would not pass it. Unfazed, Wilson used his power as chief executive to segregate the federal government. He appointed southern whites to offices traditionally reserved for blacks.  Wilson personally vetoed a clause on racial equality in the Covenant of the League of Nations.  The one occasion on which Wilson met with African American leaders in the White House ended in a fiasco  as the president virtually threw the visitors out of his office.

          George W. Bush - the Percy Wetmore of presidents.

          by rmx2630 on Thu Oct 13, 2005 at 12:45:23 PM PDT

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      •  hard core racist (none / 0)

        Wasn't Wilson a hard core racist and xenophobe, even by the 'standards' of the day ?
        •  from wikipedia (none / 0)

          Wilson's attitude on racial issues is generally regarded as a stain on his reputation...His administration instituted segregation in federal government for the first time since Abraham Lincoln began desegregation in 1863, and required photographs from job applicants to determine their race. Wilson also regarded those whom he termed "hyphenated Americans" (German-Americans, Irish-Americans, etc.) with suspicion: "Any man who carries a hyphen about with him carries a dagger that he is ready to plunge into the vitals of this Republic whenever he gets ready."
  •  This is gonna sound stupid but... (none / 0)

    WTF does GOP stand for?! I'm serious. I have no idea whatsoever. I was always afraid to ask, but I don't care HOW dumb I look for not knowing this. Please tell me WTF GOP stands for/means. Somebody? Any damn body?

    Ahhh...Bush vetoed the stem cell bill AGAIN! Maybe one of these days I'll walk again when a Dem is made Pres...Some day...

    by RetreatHell on Wed Oct 12, 2005 at 05:32:25 PM PDT

  •  Poll: 2% of African Americans approve of Bush (none / 0)

    And considering these polls usually have a +/- margin of error of 3 points or so (e.g., a 51%-49% poll is a statistical dead heat), this MIGHT mean that Bush has ZERO support in the black community.

    A gin and orange, a lemon squash and a Scotch and water, PLEASE! -6.75, -4.36

    by zkg on Wed Oct 12, 2005 at 05:40:51 PM PDT

    •  Bush is sooo disappointed by the lack (none / 0)

      of African American support for him.  I mean, really.  He's had two African American Secretaries of State.  Even more important though, he arranged for many African American people with crappy homes in NOLA to live in the far comfier Astrodome.

      "Mom, did you hurt yourself, or are you yelling at the TV again?

      by litigatormom on Wed Oct 12, 2005 at 05:45:10 PM PDT

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  •  Confirmation? (none / 0)

    Can somebody please confirm this 2% figure?

    It's not that I don't trust sfluke, but that number is too extraordinary to go spreading around without a stronger citation.

  •  Ken Mehlman was talking (none / 0)

    to the Connecticut NAACP a few days ago apparently. Before his visits, Dean basically said he has no credibility with black vote after Katrina. Mehlman spouted the same crap about working together to help poverty. Never mind that povery has gone up the first 4 years under Bush(01-04) and down under Clinton every year he was in office, I believe.
  •  Do we have what it takes? (none / 0)

    I wish elections were NOW instead of next year.  Right now, we can ride the crest of disgruntlement.  I'm concerend that our Dem leaders will flub this opportunity by not creating a cohesive message to beat into the American public this year.  I can only do so much.  Does our leadership have what it takes?

    Outta here, I don't deal well with sites that condone racism.

    by fabooj on Wed Oct 12, 2005 at 07:11:46 PM PDT

  •  The funny thing about that number... (none / 0)

    ...is that 2% is almost always within the margin of error for any public opinion poll. That means that 2% is not statistically significantly different from 0%.

    In other words, it wouldn't be much of a stretch to say that African Americans unanimously oppose the BushCo presidency.

  •  Why didn't the country figure out (none / 0)

    what we were trying to tell them a year ago? This just pisses me off that for four years we have called Bush a fraud and did so last year and now some of these fools that voted to keep us under this Bushmob, now thinks its a bad idea....

    This country is full of idiots!!!! A year too late!!!

    "These guys are biggest bunch of lying crooks I have ever seen" John Kerry

    by alnc on Wed Oct 12, 2005 at 08:54:00 PM PDT

  •  Hey most of the really bad Presidents (none / 0)

    were Republicans. Guys with scandals like Harding, Grant, Hayes, Nixon, Reagon and that crap ass Coolidge and Hoover. Wilson was pretty bad and a racist and his behavior with Germany after 1919 caused a youthfull Hitler to rise in protest.

    Now, then we have W, who John Dean calls "Worse than Watergate". Bushco is a member of the Bushmafia and is ruining the country in new ways each and everyday. So, I agree with Kerry and Dean on one thing...............see below.....

    "These guys are biggest bunch of lying crooks I have ever seen" John Kerry

    by alnc on Wed Oct 12, 2005 at 09:05:20 PM PDT

  •  As an African American (none / 0)

    I'm wondering about just who the loony two percent might be that actually think GWB is doing a good job. I'm surprised the percentage is even that high. Virtually every other African American that I've spoken to about current affairs not only personally and passionately hates GWB but actually thinks that the President is engaging or would like to engage in genocide. It is the most severe negative set of feelings about the US government that I've ever experienced in my 52 years of life.

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