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This is a damn shame:

Kentucky Auditor Crit Luallen announced this morning that she would not challenge U.S. Senate Minority Leader Mitch McConnell next year.

Luallen has been the Washington establishment's top choice to challenge McConnell and has been weighing a decision for months.

But this morning, she issued a one-paragraph statement saying that she would not run.

Luallen would likely have been our strongest candidate for the seat, and losing her is a major blow to our chances of defeating McConnell next fall.

After Luallen, the biggest names known to be considering the race are Kentucky Attorney General Greg Stumbo, and attorney and Iraq War veteran Lt. Col. Andrew Horne. Horne has publicly indicated his interest in the race if Luallen did not run, and Stumbo has had an exploratory committee for months.

Stumbo is a pretty big name; he was Kentucky House Majority Leader from 1985 to 2003, served a term as Kentucky Attorney General, and lost the Democratic primary for Lieutenant Governor this year (on a ticket with businessman Bruce Lunsford). However, after months of considering the Senate race, he's now talking about getting his old job back as state representative, which would be strange talk for a guy still considering a US Senate bid.

Horne has an impressive bio (which includes serving on the board of advisers of VoteVets), but has never held elected office, his name recognition is limited outside of KY-03, and he lost in the Democratic primary in his Congressional race last year (to future Rep. John Yarmuth).

But according to Bluegrass Report, national Dems are attempting to recruit Lieutenant Governor-elect Daniel Mongiardo to run for McConnell's seat.

Mongiardo would be a pretty good candidate; he came within a hair of ousting Kentucky Senator Jim Bunning in 2004, despite being a major underdog in that race (he raised only $600,000 to Bunning's $4 million), and enjoying DSCC assistance only at the end of the race.

However, Mongiardo was only elected to his new job in November, and it would look pretty bad for him to declare his candidacy for Senate before even being sworn in as Lieutenant Governor.

With Luallen out, we currently don't have a top-tier candidate for this race. Stumbo or Horne could, with luck, mount a serious challenge to McConnell, and it's likely that Horne, at least, will actually run.

But with McConnell sitting on an enormous war chest-estimated at $10 million-and the Republicans doubtless in no mood to surrender the seat of their anointed leader, there really is no time to waste.

Originally posted to Daily Kos on Sat Dec 08, 2007 at 10:53 AM PST.

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  •  This is very disappointing (4+ / 0-)

    We need someone aggressively out there to target McConnell. There's no reason why we can't make him the Mike DeWine of 2008. The KY GOP is in a shambles. That we aren't fighting aggressively here upsets me.

    •  It's not that we're not fighting (5+ / 0-)

      I think national Dems want this seat bad, as payback for Daschle.

      It really sucks that Luallen's out, and while we have other options, things just got a lot harder.

      Joe Lieberman likes to be called an "Independent Democrat". I like being called a "sexual dynamo".

      by Arjun Jaikumar on Sat Dec 08, 2007 at 11:02:41 AM PST

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      •  Well (2+ / 0-)
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        Buckeye Terry, brownsox

        We need someone out there to run. It's unacceptable. Mitch McConnell cannot go unchallenged.

        •  Yup. (1+ / 0-)
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          Eddie C

          You can't beat somebody with nobody.

          Especially not someone with $10 million to spend a year out.

          Joe Lieberman likes to be called an "Independent Democrat". I like being called a "sexual dynamo".

          by Arjun Jaikumar on Sat Dec 08, 2007 at 11:07:06 AM PST

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          •  Can't beat him with one punch (1+ / 0-)
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            Buckeye Terry

            McConnell has to be challenged twice or 3 times, so he draws down that $10M.  

            It's not going to be one magic blow.

            Obviously democrats still doesn't have long term southern strategy, despite GOP waning.

            Use Tor and PGP on the net. (google it)

            by fugue on Sat Dec 08, 2007 at 11:20:16 AM PST

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            •  Ben Chandler could do it. (2+ / 0-)
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              cova1, brownsox

              So could Dan Mongiardo.  And Greg Stumbo.  And you have to admit, millions from the DSCC could do a lot for Andrew Horne's name recognition.  In a Democratic year, with enormous resources, we can't afford not to fight against an incumbent with such low approval, especially with the losing coat-tails that this one can produce.  

              I'm just saying, let's not be so fatalistic about this.  it's still a race we can win, and we have to fight it.

              "A man of quality is not threatened by a woman of equality."

              by flowrider on Sat Dec 08, 2007 at 01:24:42 PM PST

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      •  Luallen does not have the name recognition. . . (1+ / 0-)
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        angelmom

        or experience of Stumbo or Ben Chandler.  Stumbo or Horne--I don't care--should step up to the plate.  Jon Tester or Jim Webb revisited.  Anything can happen.

        What rough beast, its hour come round at last/Slouches toward Bethlehem waiting to be born?

        by cova1 on Sat Dec 08, 2007 at 01:55:31 PM PST

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    •  The dark side needs a Boehner or two..Mitch and (0+ / 0-)

      Boehner can cry over their bibles together for the next four years..Like a purgatory for the unkempt rethuglican minority gang of ? Probably just as well of as elekting Blue Dawg Dems[?] in conservative clothes biting at progressive ass continually..Mitch and Boehner yes..Blue Dawgs aka Zell [the hell] milllers can fuk off..

      "Better a little late, than a little never"..Doctor Julian Winston

      by Johnny Rapture on Sat Dec 08, 2007 at 11:11:36 AM PST

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    •  McConnell is not DeWine (0+ / 0-)

      DeWine was never a national figure, he was barely known outside the state.  DeWine never had a state-wide political and fundraising machine close to what McConnell has.  DeWine knew from the beginning of 2006 he was in trouble.  By the summer, he pretty much knew he was going lose.  Plus, DeWine had to run in the worse year for Republicans in Ohio since 1958.  In the fall of 2008, Fletcher will have been out of office for a year; it will be difficult for the Dem candidate to run against Fletcher in 2008, it was easy for Sherrod Brown to run against Bob Taft as well as Mike DeWine.

      That said, McC is is trouble.  He backed Fletcher in 2003, then dumped him when the trouble began.  The evangelicals still back Fletcher, and that wing of the party is still pissed at Mitch.  

      McConnell can raise money like no one's business, but Kentucky is a relatively cheap state to run in.  The only major media markets are Cincinnati, Louisville and maybe Nashville.

      Mitch deserves to be bounced out on his ass, but make no mistake, it will be very, very difficult.

      "It's hip to be miserable when you're young and intellectual."--Carly Simon

      by Buckeye Terry on Sat Dec 08, 2007 at 11:52:26 AM PST

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      •  I am sure that it will (0+ / 0-)

        DeWine primarily lost because Taft and Blackwell brought him down. In any other election cycle, without those weights around his neck, DeWine would have prevailed.

        You're right that McConnell has more money. However, the Democrats should run an aggressive campaign against him.

    •  You got Lemons...Make Lemonade (0+ / 0-)

      Assume Mitch wins....

      He's going to give new meaning to the term "minority" leader.  Overall, let's make sure he can hold his party meetings in a coat closet come 2009.

      Free markets would be a great idea, if markets were actually free.

      by dweb8231 on Sat Dec 08, 2007 at 05:34:05 PM PST

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  •  Shucks (2+ / 0-)
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    DemocraticLuntz, kath25

    Also does everyone post on Saturdays?

    You must not lose faith in humanity. Humanity is an ocean; if a few drops are dirty, the ocean does not become dirty. - Mahatma Gandhi

    by pleasedontbefake on Sat Dec 08, 2007 at 11:01:05 AM PST

  •  A damn shame indeed. Everyone wants to run (6+ / 0-)
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    Rolfyboy6, Eddie C, mcfly, cova1, brownsox, kath25

    against Bunning (or, if he retires, they'll take an open-seat race as a second choice).

    •  I suspect the nomination for that race (7+ / 0-)

      is Chandler's if he wants it (and no, I don't think there's any way he runs for this one).

      Mongiardo really isn't in a position to run. I guess it really is Stumbo, Horne, or some self-funding rich guy.

      Not the end of the world, but not what we were hoping for.

      Joe Lieberman likes to be called an "Independent Democrat". I like being called a "sexual dynamo".

      by Arjun Jaikumar on Sat Dec 08, 2007 at 11:04:50 AM PST

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      •  Yeah. (4+ / 0-)
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        JR, Rolfyboy6, mcfly, brownsox

        Especially given his position as the public face of the SCHIP veto, McConnell is ripe for the picking. Plus, KY just elected so many state-wide Dems.

        It's frustrating. Just goes to show why we always need to be developing the "farm team."

        •  Well, We Have (4+ / 0-)
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          Rolfyboy6, mcfly, brownsox, kath25

          the "farm team" in Kentucky, it's just that our best prospects seem to content remaining in the minors for now.

          When I commented on this last night, I expressed my amazement that Stumbo would be talking up the possibility of moving from the Attorney General's office back down to the Kentucky House rather than the U.S. Senate.  A couple of Kossacks observed that the DSCC had invested heavily in getting Luallen to run, possibly out of fear that Stumbo has baggage that could dog him in a contect with McConnell.

          •  I wonder if it's a ploy (0+ / 0-)

            to get the DSCC behind his campaign.

            "Back me now, get behind me now, fund me now, or I'm out".

            Stumbo's a pretty canny politician. I wouldn't put that past him.

            Joe Lieberman likes to be called an "Independent Democrat". I like being called a "sexual dynamo".

            by Arjun Jaikumar on Sat Dec 08, 2007 at 11:44:24 AM PST

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            •  nope (0+ / 0-)

              the DSCC can't stand Stumbo, too much baggage. and his internal poll #'s sucked.

              •  I'm hearing his internals had him as top dem... (0+ / 0-)

                ...and the poll Kos had up here in November had Stumbo over 40% and holding McConnell under 50%.

                The DSCC does seem to have a problem with him, but I'm not convinced his baggage is a dealbreaker for KY voters (hell, they elected him AG!).

                The American people are competent. Why shouldn't the government be competent? The people tell the truth. Why should our government lie? -Jimmy Carter

                by JR on Sat Dec 08, 2007 at 12:18:01 PM PST

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          •  I used to live in KY in the late 70-early 80's (1+ / 0-)
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            The Maven

            and there was politician from the mountains named Grady Stumbo.  I believe he even ran for governor nomination once.  

            Anyone know if Grady and Greg Stubmo are related?  IIRC, Grady was a pretty good progressive on a lot of issues.

            "It's hip to be miserable when you're young and intellectual."--Carly Simon

            by Buckeye Terry on Sat Dec 08, 2007 at 11:59:24 AM PST

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            •  nope (0+ / 0-)

              dad was Harold, a judge

              •  families do extend further than father-son (2+ / 0-)
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                Buckeye Terry, brownsox

                I'm pretty sure Greg and Grady are cousins.  And I think there's another one in there who ran for a judicial seat a few years back.

                The American people are competent. Why shouldn't the government be competent? The people tell the truth. Why should our government lie? -Jimmy Carter

                by JR on Sat Dec 08, 2007 at 12:22:58 PM PST

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            •  Pretty sure they are. (1+ / 0-)
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              The Maven

              They're cousins, from what I can tell.  People on the Bluegrass Report refer to them as the "Stumbo cousins."

              The American people are competent. Why shouldn't the government be competent? The people tell the truth. Why should our government lie? -Jimmy Carter

              by JR on Sat Dec 08, 2007 at 12:22:16 PM PST

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              •  Yep, according to the Cincy Enquirer (1+ / 0-)
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                brownsox

                [Grady] Stumbo, a cousin of state Rep. Greg Stumbo of Prestonsburg, is a former state Democratic chairman and two-time candidate for governor. He was human resources secretary in the administration of John Y. Brown Jr., in which Lunsford was commerce secretary.

                http://www.enquirer.com/...

                "What a wild duet.  Still, they're cousins..."

                Damn Nick at Nite.

                The American people are competent. Why shouldn't the government be competent? The people tell the truth. Why should our government lie? -Jimmy Carter

                by JR on Sat Dec 08, 2007 at 05:20:59 PM PST

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      •  speak for yourself (1+ / 0-)
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        angelmom

        there has been a grassroots movement in KY for the last 6 months for Horne and he is the best head-to-head matchup that we have against Mitch. He is also a progressive with a spine, unlike Ben Chandler.

        Andrew Horne will be the Jim Webb of 2008, mark my words.

      •  i think Ben needs to run now. (0+ / 0-)

        I posted this downthread (sorry for the repetition).

        but 2010 is going to be just as hard i think.

        First of all, the Democratic Primary is going to crowded with rising stars.  Chandler and Mongiardo on one tier, with Jack Conway and some possible others (Crit and Stumbo will still be around then) on another.  It's a tough race early in the year.

        Second of all, Bunning's going to retire, surely.  Which means that, mark my words folks, Trey Greyson has the nomination sewn up.  He's the only republican in the state that still seems to have a career, and he's young and on the rise, and had even Democrats voting for him this time around.

        "A man of quality is not threatened by a woman of equality."

        by flowrider on Sat Dec 08, 2007 at 02:10:52 PM PST

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        •  sure (1+ / 0-)
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          angelmom

          then we can have another Senator that will vote for the bankruptcy bill, no change of course in Iraq, torture, more warrantless wiretapping for Bush and Cheney, and suspension of habeas corpus.

          or, we just elect a progressive democrat with a spine.

          Andrew Horne will do just fine, imo.

          •  Andrew Horne (0+ / 0-)

            would be a great idea, but we need to get him elected.  I'd much rather be able to elect a more conservative Democrat than set us up for failure.  We're talking about Mitch McConnell here.  There are worse things than being a blue dog.

            "A man of quality is not threatened by a woman of equality."

            by flowrider on Sat Dec 08, 2007 at 10:40:39 PM PST

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  •  We should focus our resources on (0+ / 0-)

    districts we have a good shot of winning. McConnel will be much less threatening if he is an isolated member of the minority.

    Big boss man..you ain't so big, just tall, that's all.

    by TheFatLadySings on Sat Dec 08, 2007 at 11:02:45 AM PST

  •  Come on, George Clooney. (7+ / 0-)

    I'm only half kidding.

    •  I'm only half laughing... :) n/t (2+ / 0-)
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      Miss Blue, kath25

      George W. Bush... wiretapping the Amish since 2001...

      by ThatSinger on Sat Dec 08, 2007 at 11:12:22 AM PST

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    •  He's from Lexington, you know. (3+ / 0-)
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      Rolfyboy6, susie dow, Wek

      I'm thinking my Draft-Clooney movement might be a one-woman campaign.

      Hmm.

      •  Heh (2+ / 0-)
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        jxg, kath25

        that brings up questions:

        Do you WANT it to remain one woman?

        What are you drafting him for?

        Just teasing.

      •  he's not (1+ / 0-)
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        kath25

        he's from Augusta, not even close.

      •  Clooney's father, Nick. lost a Congressional (2+ / 0-)
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        jxg, kath25

        race in Northern KY in 2004.  Nick Clooney anchored the news in Cincinnati for years, so he was very well-know in the area.

        Although George was born in Lexington, he grew up in the Northern Kentucky suburbs of Cincinnati.

        As much as we may like George Clooney, both as an actor and a political activist, Mitch McConnell would love to run against Clooney.  It would virtually assure another term for Mitch.

        "It's hip to be miserable when you're young and intellectual."--Carly Simon

        by Buckeye Terry on Sat Dec 08, 2007 at 12:09:53 PM PST

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        •  Nick Clooney was butchered in a bad year (0+ / 0-)

          That said,  I think Stumbo or Horne is the man.  Probably Stumbo.  It should be a strong Dem year, even in Kentucky with a new Blue governor and control of most state offices.

          One of these guys should go for it--We are on our way back in Kentucky and it is time to fight, not sit by and let Mitch waltz back to Washington.

          What rough beast, its hour come round at last/Slouches toward Bethlehem waiting to be born?

          by cova1 on Sat Dec 08, 2007 at 01:42:09 PM PST

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          •  I hope you're right about Dems being on the way (0+ / 0-)

            back in KY.  There is no reason on earth that Shrub got 60% of the vote in KY in 2004.

            Although I grew up in and still live in the Cleveland suburbs, both of my parents were born in Kentucky.  I still have lots of relatives in Muhlenberg County in western KY, whom I visit regularly, which I am proud to say gave Beasher over 70% of the vote.  I also went to grad. school at the University of Kentucky.  So, I've always remained interested in KY politics.

            If the Dems nominate a half-way decent candidate, he/she will have the money to match Mitch.  If nothing else, it will be fun to watch Mitch tied down in his home state, unable to help other Repubs, donate to other Repub candidates and probably sucking money out of the NRSCC and the RNC.  

            Unless it looks like Mitch is a goner pretty early, the Repub national establishment will pull out all of the stops to prevent the embarrassing defeat of Mitch McConnell.  And the more they spend on Mitch, the less they can spend elsewhere.

            "It's hip to be miserable when you're young and intellectual."--Carly Simon

            by Buckeye Terry on Sat Dec 08, 2007 at 03:05:40 PM PST

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    •  Isn't Johnny Depp from Ky too? n/t (1+ / 0-)
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      kath25

      "A man of quality is not threatened by a woman of equality."

      by flowrider on Sat Dec 08, 2007 at 01:30:18 PM PST

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  •  Best wishes to either Stumbo, Mongiardo or Horne (8+ / 0-)

    It would feel so good to pay them back for Tom Daschle.

    •  Daschle or no, t'would be great to send Mr. Chao (1+ / 0-)
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      Buckeye Terry

      packing...

      He looks like a Dick Tracy villain...

      "Chinless"...

      Acts like one too...

      George W. Bush... wiretapping the Amish since 2001...

      by ThatSinger on Sat Dec 08, 2007 at 11:14:09 AM PST

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      •  I completely agree, McConnell just looks (1+ / 0-)
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        ThatSinger

        plain mean, as my Kentucky-born mother would say.

        When all three of them were in the Senate, I couldn't tell the difference between McConnell, Phil Gramm and Jesse Helms.  All three of them looked just plain mean.

        "It's hip to be miserable when you're young and intellectual."--Carly Simon

        by Buckeye Terry on Sat Dec 08, 2007 at 12:14:39 PM PST

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        •  still pissed at Stumbo... (1+ / 0-)
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          angelmom

          for running with that turncoat traitor Bruce Lunsford in the primary.  What was he thinking?  That was a slap in the face to Democrats in Kentucky.  I'm going to have trouble supporting him in the primary, though I'll be happy to vote/work against McConnell in the fall.

          "A man of quality is not threatened by a woman of equality."

          by flowrider on Sat Dec 08, 2007 at 01:32:37 PM PST

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  •  What's wrong with Horne? (7+ / 0-)

    I don't see a problem with Andrew Horne. If he runs, why shouldn't we get behind him 100%. I was pulling for Luallen, but I don't see a problem with Andrew Horne. Remember that Jim Webb and Jon Tester started way down in polls and name recognition. We helped push them over the top. We can do it for Horne.

    I'd like to see Mongiardo take out Bunning in 2010. He almost did last time and now he has being Lt. Governor on his resume.

    •  Nothing's wrong with Horne. (3+ / 0-)
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      Rolfyboy6, angelmom, Eddie C

      If he gets in, he certainly deserves support.

      But he does have the disadvantage of low name rec, which makes a difference.

      Joe Lieberman likes to be called an "Independent Democrat". I like being called a "sexual dynamo".

      by Arjun Jaikumar on Sat Dec 08, 2007 at 11:09:57 AM PST

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    •  Nothing major, just inexperience (2+ / 0-)
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      winstnsmth, brownsox

      I don't mean that in the sense that he couldn't do the job, just that his never having run statewide before means he doesn't have a statewide network readily available or name recognition.  Both of those can be built, but both take time.

      And it's not like Stumbo is some great conservative.  As AG, he's the one whose investigations made Ernie Fletcher weak enough to face the Beshear slaughter this past fall.  He's got a big negative in his personal history, but I don't know if it's big enough to keep voters from choosing him (it hasn't so far, after all).

      And there's also the self-funder, Fisher.  I don't know his politics that well, so I can't say if he's a progressive.

      The point is, there doesn't seem to be a need to anoint anyone yet.  Which is why the deference shown to Crit Luallen these past months made absolutely no sense to me--she was a good potential candidate, but not the only one.

      The American people are competent. Why shouldn't the government be competent? The people tell the truth. Why should our government lie? -Jimmy Carter

      by JR on Sat Dec 08, 2007 at 11:56:00 AM PST

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  •  War Chest (2+ / 0-)
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    Rolfyboy6, Buckeye Terry

    It's not too early to help McConnell spend his war chest. ;)

    Note to Pelosi and Reid: continued funding is passive aggressive approval and support of the war in Iraq.

    by susie dow on Sat Dec 08, 2007 at 11:09:04 AM PST

  •  I'm sick of people writing off this race because (6+ / 0-)

    it's Kentucky and Mitch McConnell.  KY is a VERY winnable state.  Very.

    And if we pussyfoot around here, we'll regret having McConnell's cock-blocking ability on the other side of the aisle torpedoeing our UHC, climate change, energy legislation...you name it, he'll block it.  Mitch is their NUMERO UNO talent on Capitol Hill.  HE'S THE MAN.

    If we want REAL and MEANINGFUL progressive change, McConnell HAS to be our number one target.  Because, as far as the ability to stop our agenda is concerned, even with a Dem president, Senate, and House, this snake is THE one guy who CAN stop us all by himself.  He's that effective a leader.

    The cynical side of me says that the corporate Rahm-type of Dem on Capitol Hill WANT McConnell to remain because it ensures the corporate masters have someone to block our progressive legislation and then it gives the Democratic side, i.e., the ineffectual Emanuel and Hoyer, someone to blame for the lack of real change and progress.

    Giuliani = police-state, Huckabee = church-state, McCain = war-state, Thompson = low IQ-state, and Romney = perpetually pregnant-state

    by BoyBlue on Sat Dec 08, 2007 at 11:11:17 AM PST

    •  Who's writing it off? (5+ / 0-)

      I think DC Dems want this one very badly, largely because of what happened to Daschle.

      They went hard after Luallen. It looks like they're going after Mongiardo now. They're not casting this one aside.

      Joe Lieberman likes to be called an "Independent Democrat". I like being called a "sexual dynamo".

      by Arjun Jaikumar on Sat Dec 08, 2007 at 11:16:14 AM PST

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      •  No, they're stepping all over it (1+ / 0-)
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        BoyBlue

        I don't get why DSCC thinks they need to do what DCCC did in 2006 and personally anoint every nominee.  I thought we learned our lesson about that in last cycle's primaries.

        The American people are competent. Why shouldn't the government be competent? The people tell the truth. Why should our government lie? -Jimmy Carter

        by JR on Sat Dec 08, 2007 at 11:59:45 AM PST

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      •  what about Stumbo? (1+ / 0-)
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        cova1

        Who, in your opinion, is the very best candidate?

        btw, I think people are writing it off because they hardly ever mention the race as even a POTENTIAL top-tier.  

        Everyone needs to spend money on this race to beat the bitch, er, Mitch.

        Giuliani = police-state, Huckabee = church-state, McCain = war-state, Thompson = low IQ-state, and Romney = perpetually pregnant-state

        by BoyBlue on Sat Dec 08, 2007 at 01:32:18 PM PST

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        •  not a fan of Stumbo (0+ / 0-)

          after he ran with Lunsford in the primary.  That was a slap in the face to Democrats all over the state, to run with the guy that endorsed Fletcher in 2003, ran his transition team (where his first recommendation was to get rid of the labor cabinet), and donated tons of cash to GWBush and Anne Northup in 2004 and 2006.

          Anyway.  I like Horne but it's going to take some mucho cash to get him the kind of name recognition etc necessary to beat an incumbant like Mitch.

          "A man of quality is not threatened by a woman of equality."

          by flowrider on Sat Dec 08, 2007 at 01:36:50 PM PST

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      •  btw, congrats on the new fp gig! (0+ / 0-)

        I've always enjoyed your writing although I must admit the idea of you being a sox fan in manhattan is a bit macabre and makes me a wee bit squeamish about your sanity, lol.  

        Giuliani = police-state, Huckabee = church-state, McCain = war-state, Thompson = low IQ-state, and Romney = perpetually pregnant-state

        by BoyBlue on Sat Dec 08, 2007 at 01:48:58 PM PST

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    •  amen (3+ / 0-)
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      Andrew Horne is our best candidate anyway, and by this time next week, he'll be off and running.

  •  I'm hoping for Horne (5+ / 0-)

    Since we're in a war I believe we should send someone to the senate that has some credibility on the topic of war.  Plus, Horne had a   great response to McConnell's FKT up remarks about the war dead.

    •  Go Big Blue (2+ / 0-)
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      Rolfyboy6, cova1

      Since we're on the topic of Kentucky I have to give a shout out to my school- GO CATS, BEAT IU!!!

      •  I went to college in Indiana and grad school (1+ / 0-)
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        Wek

        at UK.  Growing up in northeastern Ohio, I didn't follow basketball very much.  I went to a small liberal arts college in Indiana, then grad school at UK, so I grew to love college basketball, almost out of necessity.

        I usually root for IU, except when they play UK.

        "It's hip to be miserable when you're young and intellectual."--Carly Simon

        by Buckeye Terry on Sat Dec 08, 2007 at 12:19:25 PM PST

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  •  McConnell should have resigned over this (9+ / 0-)

    Emphasis is mine.

    http://www.vetvoice.com/...

    McConnell Spits on War Dead; Kentucky Vet Responds by: Jon Soltz
    Fri Dec 07, 2007 at 14:49:09 PM EST

    So, Senator Mitch McConnell, the Republican leader, says of those who died in Iraq, we shouldn't feel too bad, because, "Remember, these are not draftees, these are full-time professional soldiers."
    Oh, that makes us all feel better.  I think Andrew Horne puts it best, though.  Horne, who has posted on here, and served with the Marines in Iraq, released the following:

    "I would say that Mitch McConnell owes every member of our service and the families of the fallen an apology, but no apology from him can take back the venom he has spewed at our troops, this time.  For anyone to believe that casualties of war are somehow more acceptable because they were not draftees is disgusting.  For the Republican leader in the United States Senate to say that is beyond repugnant."
    "This is just Mitch McConnell once again demonstrating that he has no idea of - and has no interest in learning - what our troops have sacrificed.  Whether it is filibustering a bill that would give proper time at home for our overextended troops, or voting against increased funds to take care of veterans who have come home, Mitch McConnell has shown nothing more than complete ignorance about our military and those who serve our nation in it."

    "To my fellow service members and veterans, let me apologize on behalf of Kentucky for Senator McConnell's putrid comments.  He most certainly does not represent our views, nor the high regard in which we hold you and your families."

    "You can't depend on your eyes when your imagination is out of focus." --Mark Twain

    by LNK on Sat Dec 08, 2007 at 11:15:37 AM PST

  •  OT, a note for 'brownsox' (2+ / 0-)
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    Miss Blue, brownsox

    Heh heh ....I haven't kept up with sports teams for a very long time and just made a bit of a fool of myself in front of my favorite 8 year old when I asked if there is a team called the brownsox.

    Meanwhile, I hope you saw my (long) comment about your given name in the diary when  your new 'job' was announced.

    Top Teaching Moment in Life....Arjuna on the Battlefield.

    Good Luck!

    "You can't depend on your eyes when your imagination is out of focus." --Mark Twain

    by LNK on Sat Dec 08, 2007 at 11:18:46 AM PST

    •  You can tell your 8-year-old (2+ / 0-)
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      LNK, DemocraticLuntz

      that in fact, the St. Louis Cardinals used to be known as the Brown Stockings.

      But my username actually comes from me being a Red Sox fan of Indian origin.

      Joe Lieberman likes to be called an "Independent Democrat". I like being called a "sexual dynamo".

      by Arjun Jaikumar on Sat Dec 08, 2007 at 11:21:04 AM PST

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      •  OT, brownsox (1+ / 0-)
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        brownsox

        I did guess it right...that you're a Red Sox fan of 'brown' heritage........but I had to verify with my favorite expert.

        P.S. Do you really like being called a "sexual dynamo"? It might work against you with future employers and colleagues, not to mention neighbors.
        ;-)

        "You can't depend on your eyes when your imagination is out of focus." --Mark Twain

        by LNK on Sat Dec 08, 2007 at 12:24:31 PM PST

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  •  Mongiardo is a poor choice indeed (3+ / 0-)
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    angelmom, winstnsmth, susie dow

    IMHO.  He is the one responsible for Kentucky' anti-gay marriage amendment , and is "pro-life."  I felt dirty voting for him for  Lt. Governor.

    I do NOT want him "representing" me in Washington.

    "If you make yourself a sheep, the wolves will eat you." Benjamin Franklin

    by Matilda on Sat Dec 08, 2007 at 11:21:45 AM PST

  •  Why did she drop out? (1+ / 0-)
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    Miss Blue

    That seems so sudden, and there is so little by way of explanantion.  Does anyone know what happened?

    •  she never really dropped in (1+ / 0-)
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      brownsox

      She just got another term, and Bunning's a better target.  Hopefully that's all it is, and not another health scare.  But she never actually declared one way or another before now.

      The American people are competent. Why shouldn't the government be competent? The people tell the truth. Why should our government lie? -Jimmy Carter

      by JR on Sat Dec 08, 2007 at 12:59:01 PM PST

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  •  his team is suspect (3+ / 0-)
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    Rolfyboy6, cova1, Rtael

    How do you know a Republican is lying? Ask one: If the Republicans can lower gas prices for 60 days before an election, why won't they do it all the time?

    by ca democrat on Sat Dec 08, 2007 at 11:25:59 AM PST

  •  Is it possible... (1+ / 0-)
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    Rolfyboy6

    ... that Luallen would pull a (Tom) Udall?

    "Whether the British ruling class are wicked or merely stupid is one of the most difficult questions of our time." - George Orwell on the Spanish Civil War

    by Ramo on Sat Dec 08, 2007 at 11:28:05 AM PST

  •  this is a false rumor (3+ / 0-)
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    angelmom, winstnsmth, Miss Blue

    Mongiardo is not being courted by DC to run. That was actually made up.

    Andrew Horne is going to clean McConnell's clock next November, you can take that to the bank.

    Today is a great day for KY and our country, so get over it people.

    •  Well clearly Horne hasn't been, nor Stumbo (0+ / 0-)

      DSCC pushed hard for Luallen to get in the race, even while Horne and Stumbo were more actively considering it.  I wouldn't be surprised if Schumer's trying to pull Mongiardo or a self-funder like Fisher into the race.

      Never underestimate the self-importance of a campaign committee chairman.

      The American people are competent. Why shouldn't the government be competent? The people tell the truth. Why should our government lie? -Jimmy Carter

      by JR on Sat Dec 08, 2007 at 12:03:00 PM PST

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      •  chuck (0+ / 0-)

        wouldn't completely rule out fischer, but the Mongiardo one is made up, trust me.

        •  I'd guess it was a quickdraw answer (0+ / 0-)

          The antipathy of Schumer to Horne and Stumbo isn't exactly well-hidden, so when some flack at DSCC got asked who they were looking at now that their chosen horse is out of the race, they just reflexively named the '04 nominee/2nd highest-ranking Dem in the state.

          I don't think Mongiardo is planning on running, but I think it's a sign of how unenthused Chuck is about supporting either Horne or Stumbo, since he's made his attitude towards their candidacies pretty obvious.

          Fortunately for Kentucky, Chuck Schumer doesn't get a vote.

          The American people are competent. Why shouldn't the government be competent? The people tell the truth. Why should our government lie? -Jimmy Carter

          by JR on Sat Dec 08, 2007 at 12:56:34 PM PST

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          •  OK, I'm jumping in (1+ / 0-)
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            JR

            I'm a party yellow dog, I work very hard for my local and state party. I do the little and the big stuff. I've wanted to say this for some time but have held out hoping for some guidance. My point: I had never heard of Horne until he was mentioned on this site. I know nothing about him, have never seen him that I'm aware of much less met him. No one I know in the Democratic Party knows Horne. Maybe a little problem?

            It's an election, Tim, not an auction . . .John Edwards 10/7/07

            by OrdinaryGal on Sat Dec 08, 2007 at 02:45:59 PM PST

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            •  Do you live outside Louisville? (1+ / 0-)
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              angelmom

              I'm guessing that you do. Andrew's been making some appearances around the state with VoteVets, but he's really yet to scratch the surface of a statewide campaign.  Two years ago no one had heard of Andrew but he did a damn fine job getting his name out there during the KY-03 primary.  Yarmuth was tough - he started with a lot of name recognition, but Horne was constantly hearing about how much busier his campaign headquarters was.  Andrew was able to recruit a grassroots army around here, and he made significant inroads against a household name.

              His 2006 staff has gone on to manage the statewide "coordinated campaign" and other party offices.  

              He's better positioned to put together a crackerjack team, and he'll be just as successful finding volunteers as he was last time.  I don't think starting out with a lack of name ID will be such an obstacle to be overcome.

              "If you dig a hole deep enough, you'll get to China. We're there." - D. Kucinich

              by winstnsmth on Sat Dec 08, 2007 at 03:12:32 PM PST

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              •  Yes (0+ / 0-)

                I live in south central Kentucky. I don't want to discourage anyone's effort to unseat McConnell, but this gentleman should know that if I'm not familiar with him, then no one outside of Jefferson County is aware of him. I'm politically active and connected with activists and party leaders across the state, the Owensboro area, Lexington and very much so in eastern Kentucky.

                I haven't begun to consider who may or may not be able to win, but Greg Stumbo is certainly no stranger to our area, he's very well known here. And, people like him. He's one hell of a speaker and a grassroots politician. As majority floor leader in the  House(how many years?? 12 or something) he's very seasoned.  

                It's an election, Tim, not an auction . . .John Edwards 10/7/07

                by OrdinaryGal on Sat Dec 08, 2007 at 03:48:50 PM PST

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            •  honestly (1+ / 0-)
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              angelmom

              if you don't know who Andrew Horne is, you obviously don't follow KY politics.

              There are many good KY political sites, go read 'em. it's fun, and good for you too.

              •  LOL! (1+ / 0-)
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                JR

                I'm vice chair of my local party and just finished my role with the Beshear campaign. I worked for more hours than I can accurately state for both Mongiardo and other races. I attend meetings probably more than you do. Can't say for sure since I don't know you. But a lot!

                It's an election, Tim, not an auction . . .John Edwards 10/7/07

                by OrdinaryGal on Sat Dec 08, 2007 at 03:51:41 PM PST

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                •  And I need to clarify (1+ / 0-)
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                  JR

                  I'm not dissing your guy. Just not sure if someone totally unknown outside of your county can pull this off but that doesn't mean he can't do it.
                  And you can either accept my point or remain in denial, we don't know him here. Yesterday I spent about two hours as a bellringer for the Salvation Army, for about an hour, a matriarch of politics rang the bell with me, she had never heard of him either. That's what you're up against. Like it or not.

                  It's an election, Tim, not an auction . . .John Edwards 10/7/07

                  by OrdinaryGal on Sat Dec 08, 2007 at 04:08:08 PM PST

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                  •  Sorry you haven't heard of Andrew (0+ / 0-)

                    I live in Louisville and know exactly who he is...have known since December, 2005, but you are right to bring to light that you as an active Dem in south/central Kentucky have not heard of him.  Do you read www.bluegrassreport.com  or pageonekentucky.com?  Both great sites where you will find lots of info.  I have  a personal bias towards Andrew...hope you learn more about him and join the fight.  He IS worth fighting for and it will take all of us working together to Ditch Mitch!!

  •  what is this? (1+ / 0-)
    Recommended by:
    angelmom

    instead of posting this doom and gloom shit, where Crit was our only "top level challenger", how about presenting a clearer picture of what is happening here in KY this week.

    Like Mitch saying this:

    Senate Minority Mitch McConnell (R-KY), on U.S. casualties in Iraq: "Nobody is happy about losing lives but remember these are not draftees, these are full-time professional soldiers."

    And our Very Top Level Challenger, Lt. Col. Andrew Horne, makingthis response through VoteVets:

    "I would say that Mitch McConnell owes every member of our service and the families of the fallen an apology, but no apology from him can take back the venom he has spewed at our troops, this time. For anyone to believe that casualties of war are somehow more acceptable because they were not draftees is disgusting. For the Republican leader in the United States Senate to say that is beyond repugnant."

    "This is just Mitch McConnell once again demonstrating that he has no idea of - and has no interest in learning - what our troops have sacrificed. Whether it is filibustering a bill that would give proper time at home for our overextended troops, or voting against increased funds to take care of veterans who have come home, Mitch McConnell has shown nothing more than complete ignorance about our military and those who serve our nation in it."

    "To my fellow service members and veterans, let me apologize on behalf of Kentucky for Senator McConnell's putrid comments. He most certainly does not represent our views, nor the high regard in which we hold you and your families."

    DailyKos is doing a disservice to its readers when a post like this goes up on its front page.

    If Kossacks would like a fuller view of what is happening in the race to Ditch Mitch, go to www.ditchmitchky.com or www.bluegrassroots.org or www.pageonekentucky.com. I can assure you that we are not pouting today.

  •  I know you don't like ot hear this (1+ / 0-)
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    brownsox

    But I think we need to pull Ben Chandler into the race. If you don't want to vote for support him, that's your right, but I think the most important goalis to get McConnell out of office. He wants to wait until 2010 but I thnk you should always strike when the opportunity presents itself. There is no way of knowing that the window will be open three years from now.

    •  I certainly wouldn't mind Chandler. (1+ / 0-)
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      cova1

      I just don't think it's going to happen. Which sucks, but it is what it is.

      It's true that we don't know what the political climate will be like in three years, but still, it's hard not to see Bunning (or an open-seat race) in a midterm election, as an easier race than McConnell in a presidential election year.

      I mean, Bunning barely beat Baesler in '98 and Mongiardo in 2004, plus he's a crazy person.

      Joe Lieberman likes to be called an "Independent Democrat". I like being called a "sexual dynamo".

      by Arjun Jaikumar on Sat Dec 08, 2007 at 01:17:44 PM PST

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      •  I think Chandler needs to get in it (1+ / 0-)
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        brownsox

        this year, for the sake of his career.  It's a hard race but I'm convinced 2010 will be harder.

        First, he's going to have to run in a tough primary, most likely against Mongiardo, and maybe someone like Jack Conway, Crit, or who knows who else.  There are other rising stars that will be ripe for the primary in 2010.

        Second, mark my words, Trey Greyson is going to be the Republicans' candidate in 2010, the only republican in the state undamaged by the Democratic momentum.  He's a rising star.  It's not going to be easy just because Bunning retires - it's going to be harder.

        Chandler's momentum isn't going to last forever.  His 2003 loss was a tough blow (brought on in part by Stumbo's friend Bruce Lunsford), but he needs to get off the fence or he's not going to have another chance.

        "A man of quality is not threatened by a woman of equality."

        by flowrider on Sat Dec 08, 2007 at 01:45:57 PM PST

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      •  bunning will retire (1+ / 0-)
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        brownsox

        plus that first midterm is never good for the party in the white house (knock on wood).

        Don't dismiss 2010 as easy. Trey Greyson's going to be tough.

        "A man of quality is not threatened by a woman of equality."

        by flowrider on Sat Dec 08, 2007 at 01:47:47 PM PST

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        •  Is Jerry Abramson getting too old? and. . . (1+ / 0-)
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          flowrider

          what about Todd Hollenbach?

          What rough beast, its hour come round at last/Slouches toward Bethlehem waiting to be born?

          by cova1 on Sat Dec 08, 2007 at 01:49:21 PM PST

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          •  Todd's alright (a little dry). Jerry's great! (0+ / 0-)

            But he might have trouble escaping Louisville in the east and west of the state.  

            I really think Ben's got to get in it this time around when it's a wide open primary season.  If he waits for 2010, he's gonna have to face off against some rising Democrats, none of whom lost to Fletcher in 2003.

            That's my thought anyway.  I'd love for Jerry to run, though.  i like him a lot, though for some reason I feel like he has baggage.  What's that about?  Were there gay rumours or something?

            "A man of quality is not threatened by a woman of equality."

            by flowrider on Sat Dec 08, 2007 at 02:00:24 PM PST

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          •  Todd Hollenbach?!?!?!? (1+ / 0-)
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            flowrider

            Why not just nominate Frank Simon?

            Jesus Christ, people....

      •  Chandler will go after Bunning's seat in 3 years (0+ / 0-)

        He has a safe seat in the Lexington district and doesn't want to lose again.

        What rough beast, its hour come round at last/Slouches toward Bethlehem waiting to be born?

        by cova1 on Sat Dec 08, 2007 at 01:48:13 PM PST

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    •  good god (1+ / 0-)
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      angelmom

      then we can have another Senator that will vote for the bankruptcy bill, no change of course in Iraq, torture, more warrantless wiretapping for Bush and Cheney, and suspension of habeas corpus.

      or, we just elect a progressive democrat with a spine.

      Andrew Horne will do just fine, imo.

      We're falling into the trap here that Mitch McConnell is invulnerable. the man is reeling, and we don't have to pull out a Bush Dog Democrat in order to beat him.

  •  2008 Presidential Election Weekly Poll (0+ / 0-)

    http://www.votenic.com

    The Only Poll That Matters.
    Results Posted Every Tuesday Evening.

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