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At the risk of further enraging the die-hard Edwards supporters, and truley I mean no disrespect to John Edwards, a man I admire, I would advise John Edwards to get out of the race.

Not since that fatefull day in 1968 at the Ambassador hotel when Bobby Kennedy was tragically gunned down by Sirhan, has America had a real opportunity to install a progressive in the White House.  I myself was a John Edwards supporter, I still support the ideals, vision and agenda of John Edwards, but the handwriting is on the wall.  John Kerry has analyzed the handwriting and come to the same conclusion, it is time to make a deal John.

It is now a two-person race and John has fallen to third.  John Edwards no longer has any real chance of claiming the nomination.  I respect the people who are still in the trenches of South Carolina and Nevada who are fighting for his candidacy, but John is no longer a candidate he is now a spoiler.  At least two thirds of John's supporters would flow to Barrack Obama if John asked them to.  It's time to make a deal John.

The goal of the progessives who frequent these pages is to have a real change in the way that our government operates and protects and works for the middle class, the poor, the working and the un-insured.  John Edwards exemplifies those qualities but there is another who has risen to the top in Barrack Obama, Obama has captured the imagination of not just progressives, but independents and Republicans.  It's time to make a deal John.

I cannot think of a ticket that would resound more with Democrats and independents than a ticket of Obama/Edwards.  We could have both our cake and eat it too, if these two fine American politicians were to team up.  Just think of it 8 years of Obama/Edwards and then in 2016 John Edwards will still be young enough to run for President as an incumbent vice-president.  8 years of Obama/Edwards and then 8 more years of Edwards/? what a great forecast for the American Dream.

Time to make a deal John!

Originally posted to Robs Rant on Thu Jan 10, 2008 at 09:43 AM PST.

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  •  Piss off. (9+ / 0-)

    Geez!

    Another day, another devalued Dollar. -6.00, -6.21

    by funluvn1 on Thu Jan 10, 2008 at 09:48:51 AM PST

    •  TRed... (0+ / 0-)

      I don't hand out donuts lightly, but troll-rated as a personal attack.

      Bill Clinton built a bridge to the 21st Century.

      Barack Obama is crossing it.

      by DC Pol Sci on Thu Jan 10, 2008 at 09:53:11 AM PST

      [ Parent ]

      •  LOL (7+ / 0-)

        Touchy much?

        I honestly didn't see anything personal about that but hey I'm not scared of another candidate.

        •  Neither am I. (3+ / 0-)
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          I think John Edwards would make an amazing president, even though I support Obama.

          However, Mr. 126027, I've been around long enough to understand community norms, and telling another dKos user to "piss off" is outside of them and hence trollworthy.

          From the dKosopedia:

          There are a number of things which very clearly constitute "trolling", and which should be troll rated (and therefore deleted from the conversation) quite legitimately. . . [including] [p]ersonal attacks on other site users[.]

          Bill Clinton built a bridge to the 21st Century.

          Barack Obama is crossing it.

          by DC Pol Sci on Thu Jan 10, 2008 at 10:00:47 AM PST

          [ Parent ]

        •  And I should note that... (1+ / 0-)
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          ...predictably, the comment was promptly uprated by two longtime Edwards supporters.

          I hardly think John Edwards would approve of supporters who tell supporters of other candidates to "piss off," or supporters who encourage other supporters to do so.

          Bill Clinton built a bridge to the 21st Century.

          Barack Obama is crossing it.

          by DC Pol Sci on Thu Jan 10, 2008 at 10:03:16 AM PST

          [ Parent ]

          •  I've never seen one of them around... (4+ / 0-)
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            ...Please don't lump all Edwards supporters like that.

            "The revolution's just an ethical haircut away..." Billy Bragg

            by grannyhelen on Thu Jan 10, 2008 at 10:06:41 AM PST

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          •  Newsflash (5+ / 0-)

            This longtime Edwards supporter didn't uprate, and I still think it was an overreaction. Actually the troll ratings should start being handed out to all the diarist who keep making repeated calls for John Edwards to withdraw. But that is my opinion, and there you have it.

            I can understand the sentiment of the comment you added the TR to, it's like a flood of disrespect for many who have donated time and money to support John Edwards because we know he is the best candidate and for others to suggest we should abandon our principles even before our chosen candidate withdraws shows utter disrespect to many users here.

            •  I understand the sentiment as well... (1+ / 0-)
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              ...and would be frustrated as hell if it were my candidate in Edwards's position (it was...in 2004...the candidate was Wes Clark).

              But we need to disagree politely.  We will, after all, all be together in this fight against the Republican nominee at some point, be it behind Edwards, Obama, or Clinton (apologies to any Gravel supporters out there, but it's time to make a deal, Mike!)

              Bill Clinton built a bridge to the 21st Century.

              Barack Obama is crossing it.

              by DC Pol Sci on Thu Jan 10, 2008 at 10:25:56 AM PST

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          •  I Don't Think (1+ / 0-)
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            The comment was worthy of being troll-rated. I don't view telling someone to piss off as a mortal sin. In essence the diarist is telling Edwards supporters to piss off.

            It is not time for this now. No one is anywhere near having the momentum to wrap up this nomination and likely won't until after February 5th. These diaries are at least as distasteful as telling someone to piss off.

            •  Based on your feedback... (1+ / 0-)
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              ...and that of ThirstyGator, and knowing that both of you are reasonable, productive members of this community, I have removed my TR.

              I still believe, however, that the comment was less than productive.

              Bill Clinton built a bridge to the 21st Century.

              Barack Obama is crossing it.

              by DC Pol Sci on Thu Jan 10, 2008 at 10:40:19 AM PST

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              •  Thank You For the Compliment (1+ / 0-)
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                and if Obama is the nominee I'll be whole-heartedly joining you in fighting for November. I hope it never happens but I was a Democrat before I knew who John Edwards or Barack Obama were and will be a Democrat till I die.

                But still....go Edwards!!

                 

      •  asdf (3+ / 0-)
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        I don't hand out donuts lightly

        Apparently you do.

        It's time for a president to to ask Americans to be patriotic about something other than war -- John Edwards

        by ThirstyGator on Thu Jan 10, 2008 at 10:07:51 AM PST

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      •  Your TR is an Overreaction to, what I would say (0+ / 0-)

        around Dkos is, a mild show of disapproval. "Piss Off" doesn't begin to approach the TR level of cursing one sees from time to time in diaries.

        Therefore, I have uprated the comment.

        Moreover, I am afraid these kinds of diaries are going to push Edwards people not toward Obama but further away from him, instead.

         

        Don't assume anything...Verify! It's as easy as 3.14159265

        by Mr SeeMore on Thu Jan 10, 2008 at 10:32:19 AM PST

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    •  How about "I've already did two diaries today (0+ / 0-)

      on this subject and this one will receive an even less moderate response than the previous two!".

      Otherwise known as:
      Read them and weep!

      The Audacity of Ambiguity! The Vagueness of Hope! The Search for Substance!

      by Fabian on Thu Jan 10, 2008 at 10:21:53 AM PST

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  •  If (8+ / 0-)

    You don't approve of these attacks!

    Please let John know here: To a progressive future

    Is this the new Obama strategy? Demonize John for political gain? You can't stand on your own platform?

    Bush? He can't run one country and you expect him to run two?

    by ScrewJack on Thu Jan 10, 2008 at 09:49:24 AM PST

    •  I didn't see any demonizing but only praise (1+ / 0-)
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      for Edwards.

      Say Hello to the McCain Administration.

      I got tased in "The Great Markos Candidate Meltdown Cranky Pants Sting of Ought 7TM"

      by MadAsHellMaddie on Thu Jan 10, 2008 at 09:51:06 AM PST

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      •  Don't Understand Your Post (4+ / 0-)
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        "Say Hello to the McCain Administration"

        We believe (Edwards supporters) that your choice of candidates is what might be leading us to a Republican win in November.

        It appears as if we may have lost that argument but that doesn't mean we were wrong. We will see in November.

        If we are still in "Rock Star Mode" by then I would guess Obama or Hillary might have a chance otherwise I think we may be wishing for Edwards.

      •  so ... (3+ / 0-)
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        As I understand what you're saying, it goes like this:  "If Edwards supporters don't vote for Obama, we'll lose to whomever the R candidate ends up being."

        If that's correct, it's an awful lot like the following construct:

        "If you don't vote for Bush, the terrorists will attack."

        I find that line of reasoning specious at best.

        It's time for a president to to ask Americans to be patriotic about something other than war -- John Edwards

        by ThirstyGator on Thu Jan 10, 2008 at 10:10:55 AM PST

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    •  There was no demonizing of John Edwards. (2+ / 0-)
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      Read it again, then tell me where he was demonized.

      "It ain't what you don't know that gets you into trouble. It's what you know for sure that just ain't so." - Mark Twain

      by Casey on Thu Jan 10, 2008 at 09:55:20 AM PST

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      •  "Edwards is great and all BUT..." (3+ / 0-)
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        Well, Obama is great and all but I think he should drop out and throw his supporters to Edwards.

        Not really my opinion, but what's good for one has got to be just as good for the other.

        The Audacity of Ambiguity! The Vagueness of Hope! The Search for Substance!

        by Fabian on Thu Jan 10, 2008 at 10:29:33 AM PST

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        •  Thats not demonizing. (0+ / 0-)

          Taken from the OED - Demonizing (first used c. 1821) is to render as a demon or to represent as a demon.  Which if you are to translate into contemporaneous terms might be best described as an ad hominemed laced troll post.  

          Which I wouldn't characterize this diarist doing.  

          You quoted "Edwards is great and all BUT..." - there's nothing in that to lend any weight to the demonization comments that have been flying around.

          "It ain't what you don't know that gets you into trouble. It's what you know for sure that just ain't so." - Mark Twain

          by Casey on Thu Jan 10, 2008 at 10:58:13 AM PST

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          •  No, but it's condescending. (1+ / 0-)
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            Which I suppose it better than "demonizing" - that's what usually happens to Hillary not Edwards.

            Either way, it's not a completely positive experience.

            HOw does that go?

            "You're telling me to quit?
            "I said "give up", but "quit" works just as well."

            A close quote from Robots, where Rodney's idol tells him not to follow his dreams.

            The Audacity of Ambiguity! The Vagueness of Hope! The Search for Substance!

            by Fabian on Thu Jan 10, 2008 at 11:10:41 AM PST

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  •  Rob, I mean nothing personal, but (8+ / 0-)

    it's time to get out of the candidate diary business.

    (-8.00,-7.85) "Jesus Christ was the first nonviolent revolutionary." --S. Stills

    by bubbanomics on Thu Jan 10, 2008 at 09:50:01 AM PST

    •  So should I send all (2+ / 0-)
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      bubbanomics, roycej

      my diaries to  you, so you can edit them first.

      I can't have an opinion and express it.  I can't speak my mind.  I have to write only what you say is okay?

      •  Not if it doesn't jibe with the establishment (1+ / 0-)
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        whether that be the old boy's network or the young turks.  

        Heh.  Don't give up.  

        These diaries are meant to stir up conversation and you succeeded.  

        "It ain't what you don't know that gets you into trouble. It's what you know for sure that just ain't so." - Mark Twain

        by Casey on Thu Jan 10, 2008 at 10:02:00 AM PST

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        •  but it's the same conversation (3+ / 0-)
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          as yesterday.

          It's time for a president to to ask Americans to be patriotic about something other than war -- John Edwards

          by ThirstyGator on Thu Jan 10, 2008 at 10:11:46 AM PST

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          •  Navel gazing is fun (3+ / 0-)
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            It's something the whole family can do together.

            The diarist should have included a poll so he could see how many people he convinced to switch to his candidate or how many people think he should send this to the Edwards campaign as a compelling argument for John to leave the race.

            Additionally, it appears the diarist is unaware that John staying in the race can actually help Obama because Obama is not a default candidate for all of John's supporters and in some cases may bleed support from Hillary.

            After 2 races I don't think anyone ought to drop out. Democracy wins when we have choices.

          •  Get used to many more days of this and many (3+ / 0-)
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            other somewhat ill-conceived concepts and ideas being tossed about by the candidates, their staff, and their supporters.

            Thats what makes this so much fun!  

            Enjoy the season!

            "It ain't what you don't know that gets you into trouble. It's what you know for sure that just ain't so." - Mark Twain

            by Casey on Thu Jan 10, 2008 at 10:43:35 AM PST

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      •  not a bad idea. heh. (0+ / 0-)

        snarkfest '08 is on like a pot of neckbones.  Should I be recommending that Obama drop out and join Edwards' ticket?

        (-8.00,-7.85) "Jesus Christ was the first nonviolent revolutionary." --S. Stills

        by bubbanomics on Thu Jan 10, 2008 at 10:32:30 AM PST

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        •  No, no, you guys have it all wrong... (1+ / 0-)
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          bubbanomics

          Gravel Rocks!

          Think about it!  Gravel as president; Kucinich as VP; Obama as Attorney General; Edwards as Secretary of Labor; and Hillary Clinton as SCOTUS nominee!

          And I just can't get that slogan out of my head...perfect for the general election:

          Gravel Rocks!

          (Please don't anybody spoil my stroke of genius by pointing out that his name is pronounced grav-EL).

          Bill Clinton built a bridge to the 21st Century.

          Barack Obama is crossing it.

          by DC Pol Sci on Thu Jan 10, 2008 at 10:37:40 AM PST

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  •  Listen buddy (11+ / 0-)

    you want to guarantee some anti-Barack votes out of spite, keep trying this this talking point.

    Even if John bows out, he ain't the only Democrat, remember that.

    •  Indeed. (7+ / 0-)

      This Edwards's supporter vote does not immediately flow to Mr. Run To the Right, Mandated Healthcare is Bad, Unions Are Special Interests, New Hopeism.

      There are two Dems in this race who actually, consistently try to appeal to the Democratic base, and Obama isn't one of them.

      "The revolution's just an ethical haircut away..." Billy Bragg

      by grannyhelen on Thu Jan 10, 2008 at 10:04:27 AM PST

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      •  Voting for K-L b/c you're in GE mode is (0+ / 0-)

        appealing to the base?  Voting for the IWR and never admitting you made a mistake is appealing to the base?  Having a union-busting corporate shill as your top adviser is appealing to the base?  Bundling $2,300 checks w/ multiple strings attached is appealing to the base?

        Exactly who is this other candidate who is appealing to the base?  I admire John and Eliz Edwards, and I admire their underfinanced and insufficiently covered campaign even more.  The reality is, however, that their campaign is barely on life support now.

        They've yet to come close to winning, and they won't come close in either NV or SC.  They don't have the $ to compete on 2/5.  Making a deal w/ Obama isn't necessarily such a bad idea at this point.

        Some men see things as they are and ask why. I see things that never were and ask why not?

        by RFK Lives on Thu Jan 10, 2008 at 10:29:21 AM PST

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        •  There have been 2 races (2+ / 0-)
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          Based on your logic Obama is on life support because he only won half of them. Let more people decide rather than less than one percent of the population which direction they want this country to move.

          •  Please name 1 race you expect him to win (0+ / 0-)

            SC is the state of his birth, and it's a state whose primary helped him considerably in '04.  He won't win it this time, and, sadly, he probably won't come close.

            He's my first choice in this race, and I wish it had turned out differently for him.  Unfortunately, it didn't.

            Some men see things as they are and ask why. I see things that never were and ask why not?

            by RFK Lives on Thu Jan 10, 2008 at 10:49:36 AM PST

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        •  I think she meant (2+ / 0-)
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          Edwards and the forgotten man, Dennis Kucinich.  In that formulation, I agree.

          The frogurt is also cursed. -8.25, -6.51

          by Superribbie on Thu Jan 10, 2008 at 10:35:03 AM PST

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        •  Dissing unions is certainly not appealing to the (1+ / 0-)
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          base. Embracing a troubled man with a dangerous philosophy of "curing" homosexuality is not appealing to the base. And running right to go left certainly isn't appealing to the base.

          And the latter sentence is my point: for all of her flaws (considerable and many) at least I do not see Hillary using right wing rhetoric to win the Democratic Party's nomination.

          Neither Hil nor Obama particularly appeal to me, and I would be hard pressed to figure out which one I would support if John were to drop out. Obama has certainly done his darnedest to alienate someone like me at this point, whereas my opinion on Hillary remains unchanged.

          The point here is this: don't assume that just because you speechify on change that you'll get my vote should Edwards chose to leave this race.

          And Edwards has my vote as long as he's in it.

          "The revolution's just an ethical haircut away..." Billy Bragg

          by grannyhelen on Thu Jan 10, 2008 at 10:39:42 AM PST

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          •  BTW...will be offline for a while now (0+ / 0-)

            just fyi.

            "The revolution's just an ethical haircut away..." Billy Bragg

            by grannyhelen on Thu Jan 10, 2008 at 10:42:00 AM PST

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          •  Unions are flocking to Obama in NV (0+ / 0-)

            nobody died b/c of his idiot preacher friend.  The same can't be said about the war that HRC supported in a vote that she has never apologized for.  

            Sadly, events will force you to choose between them fairly soon.  The choice is a fairly simple one.

            Some men see things as they are and ask why. I see things that never were and ask why not?

            by RFK Lives on Thu Jan 10, 2008 at 10:53:21 AM PST

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  •  Kaching. That's Edwards getting another $100. (16+ / 0-)

    "An entire credulous nation believed in Santa Claus, but Santa Claus was really the gasman." Gunter Grass

    by rrheard on Thu Jan 10, 2008 at 09:52:15 AM PST

  •  Reasonable Diary (0+ / 0-)

    no need to jump on the diarist, militant Edwards supporters. He makes a good point.

    A society of sheep must in time beget a government of wolves.

    by charlestown dem on Thu Jan 10, 2008 at 09:53:35 AM PST

    •  no, really he doesn't (7+ / 0-)

      He assumes A LOT. Including that Obama is the second choice of all Edwards supporters.  

      And, you know, that Edwards can't win South Carolina.

      It's time for a president to to ask Americans to be patriotic about something other than war -- John Edwards

      by ThirstyGator on Thu Jan 10, 2008 at 09:55:12 AM PST

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    •  But could have made it more diplomatically. (3+ / 0-)
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      Not a good way to attract Edwards supporters to our candidate.

      Bill Clinton built a bridge to the 21st Century.

      Barack Obama is crossing it.

      by DC Pol Sci on Thu Jan 10, 2008 at 09:55:32 AM PST

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      •  It doesn't matter (2+ / 0-)
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        you're candidate's done plenty to make us not support him.  Your false attempts at diplomacy are unnecessary.

        •  False hope...false diplomacy... (2+ / 0-)
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          As someone who joined dKos in 2003, I've seen enough pie fights to know that they don't help anybody or change anybody's mind.  In fact, if you ask folks with sub-10,000 UIDs, they will tell you that I have frequently been a voice of moderation in pie fights.

          I have said, and will continue to say, the same things to Obama supporters when they get out of line.  In fact, I have done so above.  I do not think this diary is very productive, which is why I clicked on it.  "Time to make a deal, John" is not a very productive way to attract Edwards supporters (who, of course, I would love to attract to the Obama camp, just as you would like to attract Obama supporters to the Edwards camp).

          The best -- and really only acceptable by dKos community norms -- way for either of us to accomplish our tasks is by polite discussion of our candidates' strengths and weaknesses.  Disagreement, even vigorous disagreement, is welcome here.  Flaming is not.

          Bill Clinton built a bridge to the 21st Century.

          Barack Obama is crossing it.

          by DC Pol Sci on Thu Jan 10, 2008 at 10:22:56 AM PST

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  •  thanks for your concern, it's duly noted (10+ / 0-)

    Please don't assume that Edwards supporters are going to become Obama supporters.

    As a matter of fact, I think it's time for Obama to step out of the way.  He's just crowding the race, since, what, 2/3rds of Democrats haven't chosen him in the first two states.

    It's time for a president to to ask Americans to be patriotic about something other than war -- John Edwards

    by ThirstyGator on Thu Jan 10, 2008 at 09:53:53 AM PST

    •  wuh? (0+ / 0-)

      What are you sniffing?

      A society of sheep must in time beget a government of wolves.

      by charlestown dem on Thu Jan 10, 2008 at 09:54:33 AM PST

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      •  The same dung as the diarist, apparently (1+ / 0-)
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        The frogurt is also cursed. -8.25, -6.51

        by Superribbie on Thu Jan 10, 2008 at 09:57:19 AM PST

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        •  Come on, Superribbie... (0+ / 0-)

          Implying that someone is "sniffing dung" is kind of outside community norms, don't you think?  In my book, you get some slack because of your UID, but polite disagreement focused on substance is the accepted practice.

          And yes, I would say the same thing if an Obama supporter accused an Edwards supporter of sniffing dung.

          And no, it doesn't matter that the diarist is somewhat less than tactful.  Two wrongs don't make a right.

          Bill Clinton built a bridge to the 21st Century.

          Barack Obama is crossing it.

          by DC Pol Sci on Thu Jan 10, 2008 at 10:13:55 AM PST

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          •  Sometimes humor gets lost (1+ / 0-)
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            but that seemed to be the appropriate response to a "what are you sniffing comment."  

            ThirstyGator was pointing out that despite the perception gap, the delegate race is fairly close and Obama is averaging 37% support in the two small states which have voted; Edwards is averaging 24%; and Clinton is averaging 34%.  Seems silly to insist on any of the three packing it in.

            The frogurt is also cursed. -8.25, -6.51

            by Superribbie on Thu Jan 10, 2008 at 10:20:12 AM PST

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            •  Sorry if I didn't see the snark... (0+ / 0-)

              ...and if it was intended as such, please forgive my admonishment above.

              One of the reasons low UIDs get slack around here!

              Bill Clinton built a bridge to the 21st Century.

              Barack Obama is crossing it.

              by DC Pol Sci on Thu Jan 10, 2008 at 10:33:19 AM PST

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      •  Just pointing out the absurdity (9+ / 0-)

        That most Obama supporters here don't seem to grasp.

        Clearly I don't want Obama to leave the race.  I think having choices is DEMOCRATIC.  But if you'll notice, about 2/3rds of the delegates committed are NOT for Obama.  

        My point is these diaries are ridiculous and aren't doing anything but make me rethink my second-choice candidate.  I've noticed that not a single Clinton supporter has asked me to drop my support for my chosen candidate.

        It's time for a president to to ask Americans to be patriotic about something other than war -- John Edwards

        by ThirstyGator on Thu Jan 10, 2008 at 09:59:21 AM PST

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        •  I agree, Thirsty... (5+ / 0-)
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          ...and I, personally, as an Obama supporter, would never do so this overtly.

          I do think your candidate is in trouble; I think the national poll results and the delegate count show that.  But if he wants to stay in all the way to the finish, that's his option.  He gets to decide whether he drops out now or waits until the convention and uses his delegates to broker a deal in which he gets some of what he wants.  That's the way the game is played.

          Unless, of course, he radically reverses his fortunes and wins.  It's always possible.  I haven't seen it happen in past primary seasons, though.  Far be it from me, as a supporter of the candidate for whom hope is a central message, to try to dissuade you from continuing to hope!

          Bill Clinton built a bridge to the 21st Century.

          Barack Obama is crossing it.

          by DC Pol Sci on Thu Jan 10, 2008 at 10:08:11 AM PST

          [ Parent ]

    •  Nobody assumes that. In fact you can ususally (2+ / 0-)
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      DC Pol Sci, charlestown dem

      Tell which way the wind blows with some people.  I mean, not voting for Obama because they are mad at a diarist who dares suggests that Edwards steps out is pretty sick and petty.

      Obama is extremely progressive which I would think is why most Edwards’s supporters support Edwards and when and if the time comes they would support Obama.  To go DLC out of spit is insane and is against what Edwards himself is trying to achieve.

      Get used to saying President John McCain.

      I got tased in "The Great Markos Candidate Meltdown Cranky Pants Sting of Ought 7TM"

      by MadAsHellMaddie on Thu Jan 10, 2008 at 09:58:13 AM PST

      [ Parent ]

  •  Have You (9+ / 0-)

    Checked out the actual delegate count?  Edwards is not that far behind Obama and Clinton.  This diary is like telling a runner to drop out of his race because he has fallen behind by a few feet after the first turn.  If you are truly an Edwards supporter, then stick with your guy until HE makes the decision.  I live in California, and I intend to mark my absentee ballot (I'll be manning the polls Feb. 5) for Edwards because he is, IMHO the best candidate.  

  •  I would say premature. (8+ / 0-)

    Let it go for awhile longer.

    Richardson is out, Biden, Dodd, too.
    If the concept is the dialogue until the convention, then let it continue.

    All three leading candidates are acceptable to this Democrat, although I support Edwards. Obama was a strong second, but has slipped based on anti-process diaries.

    No candidate has secured a majority in either of the two contests. Why the rush?

    A difference is only a difference if it makes a difference.

    by don coyote on Thu Jan 10, 2008 at 09:55:42 AM PST

  •  Drinking the wrong Kool aid? (4+ / 0-)

    Get a Life, Let Democarcy Work

  •  Oh you poor man (1+ / 0-)
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    charlestown dem

    You are going to get flamed like nobody's business. That's what happens when you talk to idealists about reality. They can not accept it, they writhe and squirm, and whine, and proclaim outrage. Anything to avoid accepting reality, and of course as a result, they invariably sabotage their own interests.

    But if it's any consolation, I'm with ya!

    •  I'm an idealist (1+ / 0-)
      Recommended by:
      Fabian

      and a realist. Especially realistic about idealism.  =)

      A society of sheep must in time beget a government of wolves.

      by charlestown dem on Thu Jan 10, 2008 at 09:58:00 AM PST

      [ Parent ]

    •  Gee, I never thought I'd be with the "idealists" (6+ / 0-)

      but I am here.  Ever consider that lightning may strike again in this race?; it surely never does in politics.  This is why the other party's nomination is a dogfight among George Allen, Bill Frist and Rick Santorum, right?

      Even if Edwards' chance at the nomination is less than 1%, what exactly does he gain by dropping out?  Neither Obama or Clinton will offer him anything at this stage that they wouldn't offer him later.  Every time Edwards gets to give a post-primary speech, his issues are being amplified--issues that neither Obama nor Clinton address with any consistency or concreteness.  Why give that up?

      Besides, if neither Obama nor Clinton breaks away and the convention actually means something for the first time in 50 years thanks to the geniuses who put in place a system where all the delegates are awarded before someone has a chance to run away with it, THEN will be the time to make a deal.

      And, as a voter, I'm happy to root for that scenario and stick with JRE even if the odds of an outright win are very, very small.  If I thought there was a lot of difference between Hillary and Obama at the end of the day, I might feel differently, but I don't.  I like them both.

      Come to think of it, perhaps that's what the Edwards-Needs-to-Drop-Out-and-Kiss-Obama's-Ring-for-the-Good-of-the-Universe crowd ought to do to sway folks like me is maybe make the case why they feel Obama is so superior to Hillary that I should give a rat's ass which of them wins the nomination if my guy doesn't.

      The frogurt is also cursed. -8.25, -6.51

      by Superribbie on Thu Jan 10, 2008 at 10:08:41 AM PST

      [ Parent ]

      •  Yes I came to the same conclusion upthread (0+ / 0-)

        in my post about another angle. Edwards is sort of acting as a hedge to prevent Clinton from running away with it. So for that reason it makes sense for him to stay in it, but I'm under no illusions that Edwards could actually win the nomination. Sadly, that was off the table when he lost Iowa, the only state where he was really competitive.

    •  Reality? Dear, read my sig line. (0+ / 0-)

      Then talk to me about "Reality".

      The Audacity of Ambiguity! The Vagueness of Hope! The Search for Substance!

      by Fabian on Thu Jan 10, 2008 at 10:33:21 AM PST

      [ Parent ]

  •  No deal until the convention (6+ / 0-)

    Edwards and everyone who supports him shall not surrender until Obama and Hillary adopt a more populist agenda. This is our vow.

    •  Help me out, born socialist (0+ / 0-)

      What did Edwards do for six years in the Senate for all the little people?

      A society of sheep must in time beget a government of wolves.

      by charlestown dem on Thu Jan 10, 2008 at 09:59:04 AM PST

      [ Parent ]

      •  Little People, you mean the MAJORITY ? (2+ / 0-)
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        cwaltz, Newzie

        The same could be asked about Obama and Hillary especially Hillary.

        It's not about what they have done, it's about what they are going to do.

        End the corporate strangle hold on America at least fight it. Edwards is the only one except Kucinich who is even talking about it.

        Hillary and Obama don't seem to have any message except empty catch phrases.

        •  was that your answer? (0+ / 0-)

          A society of sheep must in time beget a government of wolves.

          by charlestown dem on Thu Jan 10, 2008 at 10:05:13 AM PST

          [ Parent ]

          •  Is that your reply? (2+ / 0-)
            Recommended by:
            benny05, Newzie

            What has Obama done in his 2 years in the Senate?

            •  no, this is (0+ / 0-)

              In the Illinois State Senate, this meant working with both Democrats and Republicans to help working families get ahead by creating programs like the state Earned Income Tax Credit, which in three years provided over $100 million in tax cuts to families across the state. He also pushed through an expansion of early childhood education, and after a number of inmates on death row were found innocent, Senator Obama worked with law enforcement officials to require the videotaping of interrogations and confessions in all capital cases.

              In the U.S. Senate, he has focused on tackling the challenges of a globalized, 21st century world with fresh thinking and a politics that no longer settles for the lowest common denominator. His first law was passed with Republican Tom Coburn, a measure to rebuild trust in government by allowing every American to go online and see how and where every dime of their tax dollars is spent. He has also been the lead voice in championing ethics reform that would root out Jack Abramoff-style corruption in Congress.

              As a member of the Veterans' Affairs Committee, Senator Obama has fought to help Illinois veterans get the disability pay they were promised, while working to prepare the VA for the return of the thousands of veterans who will need care after Iraq and Afghanistan. Recognizing the terrorist threat posed by weapons of mass destruction, he traveled to Russia with Republican Dick Lugar to begin a new generation of non-proliferation efforts designed to find and secure deadly weapons around the world. And knowing the threat we face to our economy and our security from America's addiction to oil, he's working to bring auto companies, unions, farmers, businesses and politicians of both parties together to promote the greater use of alternative fuels and higher fuel standards in our cars.

              Whether it's the poverty exposed by Katrina, the genocide in Darfur, or the role of faith in our politics, Barack Obama continues to speak out on the issues that will define America in the 21st century

              A society of sheep must in time beget a government of wolves.

              by charlestown dem on Thu Jan 10, 2008 at 10:17:43 AM PST

              [ Parent ]

            •  Ooh, ooh! I know! (2+ / 0-)
              Recommended by:
              grannyhelen, born socialist

              He helped lobbyists get get tariff and tax reductions for pharmaceutical firms:
              http://www.commondreams.org/...

          •  What has any Senator done for that matter? (1+ / 0-)
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            Superribbie

            Kind of explains why we haven't had a President come from the Senate since Kennedy.

  •  Right now that would be bad for Obama (1+ / 0-)
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    lrhoke

    Like it or not, there is an "I won't vote for a black" constituency in the SC Democratic party.

    (I know for sure: my father-in-law lives in Charleston and is voting for Edwards because he's not black or female).

    Edwards splits the anti-black vote with Clinton.  Pulling out before the primary would hurt Obama's chances for first place.

  •  I'm an Obama supporter, but this nomination (6+ / 0-)

    process has only really begun.

    There's no reason for him to drop out considering he's finished in a strong 3rd place both in Iowa and New Hampshire.

    If Edwards was finishing in single digits, sure, drop out.  

    But, he's got a message that needs to be heard and by as many people as humanly possible.  

    That being said, the Edwards idealogues would be best to refrain from attacking the diarist.  He never once attacked Edwards, just said to make a deal.  And, that my friends, regardless of where you are on the political spectrum is politics.  

    "It ain't what you don't know that gets you into trouble. It's what you know for sure that just ain't so." - Mark Twain

    by Casey on Thu Jan 10, 2008 at 09:59:32 AM PST

  •  One has to wonder (0+ / 0-)

    if Obama and Edwards have spoken about strategy lately.

    A society of sheep must in time beget a government of wolves.

    by charlestown dem on Thu Jan 10, 2008 at 09:59:46 AM PST

  •  John Kerry's your prognosticator? (7+ / 0-)

    John Kerry's your prognosticator!

    Can't rec you, sorry. I have Suspect User status.

    by Junior Bug on Thu Jan 10, 2008 at 09:59:58 AM PST

  •  All About Delegates Now--& John's Collecting! (9+ / 0-)

    Get Over it! Edwards is NOT dropping out of the race anytime soon. his online contributions are soaring, his national support is growing.

    He will be heard.

    And I don't appreciate you telling my candidate to get out of the race just to suit the needs and interests of your candidate.

    To the convention and beyond. Get over it.

    We have a plain and tested device for keeping tabs on the government when it's keeping tabs on Americans. It is our Constitution~~Sen. Sheldon Whitehouse

    by PeckingOrder on Thu Jan 10, 2008 at 10:01:28 AM PST

  •  I love these JE diaries (0+ / 0-)

    ...they're like flypaper for all the militant idealists

    A society of sheep must in time beget a government of wolves.

    by charlestown dem on Thu Jan 10, 2008 at 10:06:08 AM PST

  •  Another angle (0+ / 0-)

    Another way of looking at this is as a hedge. If Edwards stays in the race through the convention and makes his deal at that time, rather than Obama ending up with 2/3rds of Edwards support he might get now if JRE dropps out, he would get 100% of it. The actual voters at that point won't really have a say in it.

    It's a little undemocratic, but it does prevent Clinton from ekeing out a close win. I wonder if that's his real game plan. If you look at it that way, there is no good reason for him to drop out now.

  •  Can anyone help me out? (0+ / 0-)

    What did JE do for all the little people during his six years in the Senate?

    A society of sheep must in time beget a government of wolves.

    by charlestown dem on Thu Jan 10, 2008 at 10:06:48 AM PST

    •  You know...... (0+ / 0-)

      Its been hard for anyone to get anything done in the senate the last several years.

      Thats way they leave the senate and run for president.

      Obama said on the daily show that "the senate seems designed to lead you to make bad votes".

      I find your use of "little people" offensive.

    •  oh, HERE it is... (0+ / 0-)

      Edwards, however, was not known as an outspoken champion for the poor during his six years as a senator, and his campaign could point to no major bills in that regard that he authored and got passed into law. He did help push a patients' bill of rights and he joined other Democrats in Congress in backing proposed increases in the minimum wage.

      But his fierce condemnation of rapacious corporations today stands in contrast to the more moderate voice he has been in the past.

      Speaking to chief executives at the Fortune Global Forum in November 2002, Edwards said, "Nothing is more important to our economy than the success of the people in this room - your success in leading companies, in building wealth for your shareholders, in creating jobs for millions of Americans."

      Edwards said in the same speech that widening income disparities were "just plain wrong" and that corporate tax loopholes should be closed, but he also told executives that they could not be blamed for "taking aggressive advantage of legal holes in our tax law.

      "Doing the most you can under the law to create profit for your shareholders is your job," he said.

      A society of sheep must in time beget a government of wolves.

      by charlestown dem on Thu Jan 10, 2008 at 10:11:38 AM PST

      [ Parent ]

  •  Too soon! (5+ / 0-)
    Recommended by:
    DC Pol Sci, bwintx, Fabian, judy99, sherlyle

    I lean Obama, but Edwards has alot invested in this and he has won some delegates and there have only been two contests.  Its plausible that he may do much better in some of the southern states.

    This might be appropriate if it was after super tuesday and he hadn't gained traction, but its too soon to be calling for his withdrawal.

  •  asdf (9+ / 0-)

    Right.  Iowa and New Hampshire have spoken.  Screw the other 48 states.

  •  Some of you missed the point (1+ / 0-)
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    charlestown dem

    I meant and do not mean any disrespect to John Edwards.  I admire John Edwards.  I have been watching and been involved in Democratic politics since I was a teen some 35 years ago.  I know how these things go.

    If not for Ralph Nader, we would have had Al Gore, but instead we have George W. Bush, I don't want another Bush and I don't believe you do either.

    I want a strong progressive candidate, a President who will address our concerns, I do not support Mrs. Clintons' policies from the DLC and there are two candidates who can make it happen for me...Barack Obama and John Edwards and I would really just love to see them on the same ticket.

    I don't think that ticket could be defeated.

    As a personal aside I don't think it is necessary to attack me personally, I do not work for any of the candidates, my diaries are just my own thoughts not connected to any campaign or movement or political strategy.  I.m working with a Congressional candidate here in Michigan so please lay off the personal attacks against me, I have not attacked anyone!

  •  Yes, now that 1% of the US population (7+ / 0-)

    has had their say, the writing is on the wall and there is no point in carrying on this campaign for another three weeks to a significant proportion of the voters.

    Jeesh!  

    You know, if Edwards' delegate count ends up being the margin of victory, he can always direct them to vote as he wishes at the convention.  So him staying in only eventually helps the more progressive of the two others (whoever that is).

    On that note, if this scenario plays out, should Edwards direct his delegates to support the woman who has had some triangulation problems and has never apologized for her Iraq vote, or the guy who hangs out with homophobic preachers and thinks that social security is in 'crisis'?  See, nobody here is a saint.

    It turns out that Bush IS a uniter... he united the intelligent half of the country virulently against him.

    by fizziks on Thu Jan 10, 2008 at 10:15:27 AM PST

  •  Johns good looks alone get him %17 (0+ / 0-)

    Just imagine what will happen when the press starts covering him and his beliefs reach the average voter.  His candidacy will tear through the electorate like wild fire.

  •  BORING (1+ / 0-)
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    DC Pol Sci

    The tripe here is nausea enducing. Over and out.

    A society of sheep must in time beget a government of wolves.

    by charlestown dem on Thu Jan 10, 2008 at 10:22:36 AM PST

  •  If I were some (1+ / 0-)
    Recommended by:
    DC Pol Sci

    kind of hard nosed political analyst (sure!) with no horse in the race (clearly not), I would predict that JRE stays in the race through SC, where, after another 3rd place finish, he drops out.

    If I had a horse in the race (I do!) I hope he stays in through SC, drops out and endorses Obama.

    But Edwards supporters--I think a lot of you used to be Dean supporters, so...remember...Dean DID drop out fairly early (protests to the contrary notwithstanding)--why would Edwards keep going if he is out of money and it is mathmatically impossible for him to win? Meanwhile, why would a hardcore Edwards supporter support ANY of the other candidates even after Edwards were to drop out (I know I didn't after Dean dropped out). I don't recall Dean's dropping out having much of an impact on the race--it's not like all his votes suddenly went to Edwards or anything.

    Frankly (both hats), I don't know that Edwards being in or out does a whole lot to change the race between Hillary and Obama, since I can't clearly see that his supporters would go more to one or the other of the two. I certainly wouldn't peg the behavior of the supporters of any of the candidates to what happens here on this blog, which is a subset of the party that often does NOT reflect the larger party. So, it's all just speculation at this point...

    Is it January yet?

    by JMS on Thu Jan 10, 2008 at 10:23:20 AM PST

  •  MSM Ignores JRE aside,,,we want winners (0+ / 0-)

      Every time I hear Elizabeth Edwards state the truth about MSM ignoring John I get it.  But as an Obama supporter I want winners.  John and Barack would be a formidable team. Far better than Kerry and John.  I helped the Secret Service lift John up into the crowd at a rally in Daytona Beach in 2004 after he gave such a great stump speech.  I so admire John and Elizabeth.  

     My team this time is Barack and Michelle.
     Thanks John.

     

  •  Attorney General Edwards. (0+ / 0-)

    Let him represent the People of the United States.

    Awesome.

    •  Or President Edwards. (0+ / 0-)

      John Edwards would make one hell of a president.  If he is the nominee, I will support him enthusiastically.

      I just, respectfully and realistically, don't think things look very good for him right now.

      Frankly, John Edwards would make one hell of a whatever-he-decides to do.  The man is a genius; he is very personable; and he's a fighter.  These are all rewarding qualities.

      I just happen to be supporting Barack Obama.

      Bill Clinton built a bridge to the 21st Century.

      Barack Obama is crossing it.

      by DC Pol Sci on Thu Jan 10, 2008 at 10:27:54 AM PST

      [ Parent ]

  •  He will deal when he wants to deal (1+ / 0-)
    Recommended by:
    Fabian

    He's the guy in position to judge best.  

    [Insert pithy phrase here]

    by Quicklund on Thu Jan 10, 2008 at 10:43:37 AM PST

  •  Your premise contradicts your conclusion (0+ / 0-)

    The goal of the progessives who frequent these pages is to have a real change in the way that our government operates and protects and works for the middle class, the poor, the working and the un-insured.

    That's why John Edwards should continue running. If all "progressive who frequent these pages" agree to submerge their goals in a coalition that is hostage to what Republican-leaning independents are willing to sign onto, then there is no reason for the corporate wing of the Democratic party to respect the Democratic wing as a force.

    If, however, they cannot force a choice down our throats ... and discover that even after being Annointed by the Press, its not possible to win a clear victory without us ... then they have to take us seriously.

    SupportTheTroopsEndTheWar.com and Energize America

    by BruceMcF on Thu Jan 10, 2008 at 10:52:15 AM PST

    •  If your view of Obama (0+ / 0-)

      is that he is too centerist, what better way would there be to bring the "Democratic" wing to the table than to have John Edwards sitting in Dick Cheneys office?

      I too am an idealist, tempered with realism, you can rail against the MSM all you want and you may be right and probably are, but the perception remains.  Either Hillary Clinton or Barack Obama are going to be nominated and I prefer Obama.

      John Edwards presiding over the Senate and being able to provide valuable insight and advise to President Obama would be a great step forward in American politics; wouldn't you agree?

      •  Let me put it this way. (0+ / 0-)

        Do you understand why Al Gore doesn't want to be Vice President again?  While you might think of it as close to the Oval Office, the reality is that any non-Cheney VP doesn't guide policy, they mostly get to play the President's Gal Friday, his assistant, his stand in, his study.  

        Being Vice President is better than nothing, but unless the President is incapacitated, they have little authority or autonomy.  Heck, First Ladies have often grabbed control when their husbands became too ill.

        Besides, until the VP choice is announced by the declared party nominee, any promises are worthless.  

        The Audacity of Ambiguity! The Vagueness of Hope! The Search for Substance!

        by Fabian on Thu Jan 10, 2008 at 12:40:17 PM PST

        [ Parent ]

  •  There is only a 7 Delegate difference (1+ / 0-)
    Recommended by:
    Fabian

    ...between Edwards and Obama.

    Obama 25
    Clinton 24
    Edwards 18

    This is not the time to throw in the towel.

  •  Once again, thank you Markos (0+ / 0-)

    The founders of this great experiment in Democracy called the United States of America could never have imagined this internet forum.

    I am once again in awe that my thoughts could generate 145 comments in an hour from people all across this country.

    Thank you Markos for this great forum for public discussion.

    Thank you all who took the time to espress your opinions both for and against my position.

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