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Yet another pathetic story from our misguided Islamic neighbors: A Malaysian woman will receive six strokes from a rattan cane after admitting in an Islamic court to the crime of drinking beer in a bar. Caned for drinking beer? The savages.

Kartika Sari Dewi Shukarno’s sentence was doled out by a Malaysian Sharia court, an institution that lets a gang of old men impose their morality on everyone else. The Malaysian population has to put up with the cruel, terrible nonsense, since they have no voice in the matter.

Malaysian model faces six strokes of the cane for drinking beer

Imagine taking a time out on a hot summer day, taking a beer from the fridge and pouring a cool one, the suds build up then slip down the side of the glass and pool on the counter. You pick up the glass and look at that golden excellence, the color of sunshine, of life, and take a long pull. It's great to be alive. As God said, "It is good."

Then, imagine a gang a crazed religious fanatics, carrying out their bent ideas from the Dark Ages, burst into your private domain waving rattan canes and screaming "Allah Akbar!!! (or something?) and beat you about the head and back with their fucking sticks. You try to fend them off, they hit your wrist, your thigh. Ouch! It's no use. Fortunately, we have the right to bear arms in the US of A and you keep a shotgun under the bar, which you retrieve in the nick of time and empty both barrels, ending their miserable, nasty, brutish lives. The world is a better place. You call 911 and, while waiting, pile their carcasses in front of the recliner to use as a foot stool, and proceed to finish your beverage as intended before you were so rudely interrupted.

Some things are holy in America too: Never get between a man and his brewski. Sadly, such an option does not exist in Malysia.

Our sympathies go out to Ms. Kartika, age 32, who lives with her husband and 2 kids in Singapore (Should be "Sing-But-No-Pour") Many are disgusted in that country, as you might expect. Such official behavior makes them look like backwards assholes. Might just as well put out a giant sign at the airport for tourists and businesses: "Crazy Religious Fanatics in Charge."

The goofy part is that alcohol is served to everyone else in the country's bars and hotels, but if Muslims (who are 2/3 of the population) drink some they get caned. Infidels get a pass. Muslim violators can get 3 years in prison as well as 6 strokes with the rattan cane from the Koran-pounding bullies. So essentially you have an Islamic court pissing all over Muslims and treating other people better. Go figure.

Ms Kartika paid the fine and has no choice but to take the flogging, said, “I am not afraid because I was ready to be punished from Day 1.” Brave woman. We're told she's a model. Perhaps sympathizers who need to hire a model could keep her in mind? She could use the work. Billions of beer drinkers the world over would love to see her get ahead.

Originally posted to Otherday on Sun Aug 23, 2009 at 05:57 PM PDT.


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  •  I agree completely (5+ / 0-)

    and hate religious fanatics with a passion.  But you might want to rephrase a few things to avoid the appearance of "outsider judgment."  I find the best way to do that is to relate their behavior to similar people in our own culture.

  •  Drinking beer and getting a couple of lashes? (5+ / 0-)

    Sounds like Friday night here, when all goes well.

    I know theft is illegal, but look at all the cool stuff I got!

    by BoiseBlue on Sun Aug 23, 2009 at 06:04:39 PM PDT

  •  These people are loonies. (6+ / 0-)

    What's especially laughable is that right-wing loonies in this country genuinely seem to believe this bonkers Islamic tripe could catch on here.  

    I mean, as if there's a gap in our "religious loony" market that needs filling...!!

  •  Singapore and Malaysia (5+ / 0-)
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    Garrett, JDsg, Alec82, ban nock, Gracian

    are two different countries....

    I am a warrior for peace. And not a gentle man... Steve Mason, 1940-2005

    by Wayward Wind on Sun Aug 23, 2009 at 06:12:39 PM PDT

  •  I don't like the shooting fantasy (6+ / 0-)

    Why not just wish for a more enlightened society.

    We too have very harsh laws for other drugs and encourage countries to do the same.

    I don't drink or do drugs of any kind and I look upon booz and opiates in about the same light.

    Imagine the death penalty for a beer.

    Or imagine looking upon all substance abusers in a similar compasionate light.

    "Don't fall or we both go" Derek Hersey

    by ban nock on Sun Aug 23, 2009 at 06:15:33 PM PDT

  •  in "civilized" countries (5+ / 0-)

    they throw people in jail for smoking pot, but don't cane them for drinking beer. huge difference.

    surf putah, your friendly neighborhood central valley samizdat

    by wu ming on Sun Aug 23, 2009 at 06:16:10 PM PDT

  •  It's not just in Malaysia where Islam limits (1+ / 0-)
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    women's rights:

    Tens of thousands of people in Mali's capital, Bamako, have been protesting against a new law which gives women equal rights in marriage.

    The law, passed earlier this month, also strengthens inheritance rights for women and children born out of wedlock.

    The head of a Muslim women's association says only a minority of Malian women - "the intellectuals" as she put it - supports the law.

    Pretty sad, huh?

    Hadja Sapiato Dembele of the National Union of Muslim Women's Associations said the law goes against Islamic principles.

    "We have to stick to the Koran,"
    Ms Dembele told the BBC's Focus on Africa programme. "A man must protect his wife, a wife must obey her husband."

    •  True, Beer is Just the Tip of the Iceberg. (2+ / 0-)
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      Pandoras Box, Gatordiet

      It seems like women are in a kind of prison almost all the time due to the restrictions on their lives.

      A boner is a terrible thing to waste.

      by Otherday on Sun Aug 23, 2009 at 06:34:10 PM PDT

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    •  You have no clue (2+ / 0-)
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      what you are talking about.

      These "muslim" women you talk about are part of fundamentalist muslim movements, it's hardly  the majority of mainstream muslims.

      In Morocco we recently had a similar lawchange, most moroccan women welcomed the improvement, some others went to the streets in protest. In America you have fundi's bombing Euthenasia churches....does that make all american christians guilty of the same thing? You'll find a lot of christians opposing healthcare reform does christiantity therefore oppose healtcare?

      It's of the utmost importance to distinguish between different groups of muslims, they come in all sizes and shapes. SOme conservative, some progressive. Islam is lived and experienced very differently around the world; using a broadbrush to denounce islam, is not helpfull.

  •  This isn't in any way about women's rights. (3+ / 0-)
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    Sharia law forbids consumption of alcohol by those who follow the Islamic faith.

    As unreasonable as it may seem to us, this law doesn't force people to be muslims and, unlike other articles of muslim faith, doesn't discriminate by gender at all.

    Ilegitami non carborundum.

    by kevinpolk9 on Sun Aug 23, 2009 at 06:45:21 PM PDT

    •  Dump Sharia Law (0+ / 0-)

      A vestige of the Dark Ages.

      A boner is a terrible thing to waste.

      by Otherday on Sun Aug 23, 2009 at 06:49:38 PM PDT

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      •  Yeah! (3+ / 0-)

        And I'll go buy a six-pack to voice my opposition!

        Oh wait. I'm in Georgia. And it is Sunday. The Christians won't let me buy beer. Or wine.

      •  oh? (4+ / 0-)
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        capelza, Gracian, soysauce, CKendall

        under Sharia law, the Islamic world helped Europe out of the dark ages.

        Obviously you don't know enough about Islam to be able to advise out "misguided Islamic neighbors". I certainly doubt they'll trust you as a guide after you express such contempt for them.

      •  Punishment for Beerdrinking no basis in Sharia (5+ / 0-)

        When exactly did you become an expert on Sharia?

        Renouncing the sharia law system because of a few incidents like these, however appalling they are, is like saying we can do away with the whole of the american law system because you can get thrown in jail for smoking pot.....
        Sharia law mainly deals and regulates matters of family law, like inheritances, etc..

        Sharia is not static, not practiced in the same way in each country, and by the way most muslim countries have law systems that are primarily and mostly draw from Swiss law or french....

        New York Based Imam Feisal Abdual Rauf has this to say on the subject:

        Neither the Quran nor the Hadith invokes a penalty for alcohol consumption. The sin of consuming alcohol is described in the Quran in the mildest language of prohibition.

        When it comes to dietary laws, the Quran commands the believers in Sura 5:3: "forbidden (hurrimat) to you is the dead animal, loose blood, and the flesh of the pig".

        The 90th verse of the same Sura cautions the believers that "wine, gambling, etc, are an impurity so avoid them (fa-jtanibuh)".

        Some legal scholars suggest that the divine command ijtinab, to avoid something, is milder language than tahrim, prohibition.

        The question then is how did the penalty for alcohol consumption come about?

        It occurred during the time of the second Caliph Umar b. al-Khattab. There was a companion of the Prophet (sahabi) who had fought on the Prophet’s side in his battles.

        A heavy drinker, he would walk the streets of Madina drunk at night and loudly shout scandalous things about people. The inhabitants of Madina complained, and Umar formed a committee to decide what to do.

        Imam Ali, based on the man having committed slander, suggested the penalty for slander, whose maximum penalty is 80 lashes.

        Since that time, this has been considered the maximum penalty for alcohol consumption, based on utilising the Syariah concept of ta`zir (deterrence).

        I disagree with this being the mandatory sentence for the offence of wine consumption, because it is the maximum sentence for another, separate offence – slander – albeit committed under the influence of alcohol.

        full article here:
        American Imam urges Malaysia to reconsider beer sentence

        •  Interesting. She's Being Abused. (0+ / 0-)

          The Sharia Court handed down the verdict, I didn't. If there is no basis in Islam, then it's even worse to cane her.

          A boner is a terrible thing to waste.

          by Otherday on Sun Aug 23, 2009 at 07:37:46 PM PDT

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          •  Exactly (6+ / 0-)

            But here you are in the meantime, mistaking Singapore for Malaysia, being unclear on wether the punishment has occurred or still has to be meted out. And generally being clueless about Sharia in particular and Islam in general.

            On top of that you only have negative and frankly insulting things to say about Islam, the Quran and muslims, and your poll isn't close to funny.
            If you really cared about muslim women, you'd use your precious space on Dkos to try and rally muslims and non muslims alike to challenge this ruling by pressuring the malaysian government and courts. Instead you imply that with Islam being a backward religion at all, this is what we can expect. Instead of reading up on the subject you chose the easy way out, calling Islam and muslims:

            -Yet another pathetic story from our misguided Islamic neighbors
            -The savages.
            -a Malaysian Sharia court, an institution that lets a gang of old men impose their morality on everyone else.[

            sic] ("Proud latina" uproar ring any bells)

        •  The Basis (0+ / 0-)

          To the extent that the American legal system bases its legitimacy and value judgments on some ancient superstition rather than evidence, logic and fundamental rights - indeed it should be thrown out, starting with its faith-based anti pot laws.

          Sharia is vastly more a ritualized superstition than is the US law. There's a share of actual justice in it, but not in the basis.

          "When the going gets weird, the weird turn pro." - HST

          by DocGonzo on Sun Aug 23, 2009 at 07:45:01 PM PDT

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          •  Ah, C'mon! Ritualized superstition (2+ / 0-)
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            You really have to come up with something better to critisize Sharia Law. Look man, there's much that needs change in sharia law, but saying Sharia bases it's legitimacy on ancient superstition is really not helpfull for the debate.


            and especially the mainstream Sunni Islamic movements, do not also approve theocracy or rule by the clergy, who would exercise political power on behalf of God. In Sunni Islam, no one can speak for God; it is the consensus of the community at large as reflected in freely expressed public opinion that will determine what the will of God is in a specific case. ....In Sunni Islam, on the other hand, it is the consensus of the community that is the final arbiter in public affairs, and the concept of a veto power exercised by the clergy has no theological and legal basis.(9)

            The leaders of the Islamic movements in Pakistan, Malaysia, and North Africa define the governmental structure of an Islamic state in terms no different from a Westminster-type parliamentary democracy: universal adult franchise, periodic elections, guaranteed human rights, civil liberties, equal political and religious rights of minorities, an independent judiciary, the rule of law, procedural justice, and multiple political parties. This pluralistic and democratic vision of an Islamic polity has recently found an explicit and profound articulation in the writings and speeches of Rachid Ghannoushi of Tunisia, Professor Khurshid Ahmad of Pakistan Najmuddin Erbakan of Turkey, and Anwar Ibrahim, the Deputy Prime Minister of Malaysia.(12)

            •  Taliban are Sunni (0+ / 0-)

              So Sunnis believe no one can speak for god? The Taliban are Sunnis, and their entire theology is that they're speaking, and acting, for god on Earth. Fatwas are edicts in god's name, and Sunnis issue them all the time. The Sauds are Sunnis, and they're always talking and walking for god. Caning is one of their less savage legal prescriptions.

              You're going to have to come up with a lot better than that to convince me that Muslims don't believe in theocracy. Or that superstitions like "Allah said" don't rule as the "reason" why Muslims are required to obey Sharia under Islamic governments. Or that a handful of Muslims writing or talking about pluralistic democracy means Sharia isn't rule by traditional superstition.

              "When the going gets weird, the weird turn pro." - HST

              by DocGonzo on Sun Aug 23, 2009 at 08:33:35 PM PDT

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              •  Taliban are extremist fundamentalists (2+ / 0-)
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                soysauce, CKendall

                the term should be familliar to you if you're living in the States, because thats where it originated.

                Fatwa's are pieces of legal advice not binding to anyone. Try again.

                I believe all the questions you have are answered in the link I provided to you...

                •  So Are You (1+ / 0-)
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                  Taliban are Sunni, which you said was proof against theocracy. You are trotting out the "No True Scotsman" fallacy.

                  Fatwas are binding on those religious people ruled by theocrats. Otherwise there's not point issuing them. And they're followed by millions of Muslims every day.

                  Typical of defenders of superstition, you're not interested in facts. Your faithy technique is to throw words at me, counting on my integrity, while you skate away.

                  Theocrat begone.

                  "When the going gets weird, the weird turn pro." - HST

                  by DocGonzo on Mon Aug 24, 2009 at 05:04:24 AM PDT

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                  •  You're the first person to call me a theocrat (2+ / 0-)
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                    How funny!

                    I was actually raised as a moroccan muslim in the Netherlands, so I'm a proud liberal and progressive actually, not so much religious in any sense anymore. I turn to Islamic mysticism or Sufism for my doses of spirituality. Sufism would be the anti-authoritarian faction of Islam, par excellence.

                    So there you go, you're ignorant and wrong both about me and my supposed faith. Politically I'm a muslim liberal progressive....But in your world view they don't exist probably. Here's a link on Muslim progressives in the U.S if you feel the need to get up to speed.

                    I don't understand your apparent need to describe all the ills in the muslim world to the quran and sharia? True Islam and Sharia both need a reformation badly; but many muslims are actually working hard just to achieve that. Having people like you talking of the top of their heads and actually calling progressive muslims like me theocrats and fundamentalists, is not very helpfull.

                    The Taliban are extremist, outside the established legal borders of Islam. They are basically followers of a political ideology, based outside the mainstream of Islam.

                    Here's a wiki entry on the Talibaan with some food for thought:Journalist Ahmed Rashid suggests that the devastation and hardship of the war against the Soviet Union and the civil war that followed was another factor influencing the ideology of the Taliban.[55] The young rank and file Taliban were Koranic students in Afghan refugee camps whose teachers were often "barely literate," and did not include scholars learned in the finer points of Islamic law and history. The refugee students, brought up in a totally male society, not only had no education in mathematics, science, history or geography, but also had no traditional skills of farming, herding, or handicraft-making, nor even knowledge of their tribal and clan lineages.[55]

                    In such an environment, war meant employment, peace unemployment. Domination of women was an affirmation of manhood. For their leadership rigid fundamentalism was a matter not merely of principle, but of political survival. Taliban leaders "repeatedly told" Rashid "that if they gave women greater freedom or a chance to go to school, they would lose the support of their rank and file."[

                    They cannot deny forever that doctrinal extremism can lead to political extremism. They must realise that it is traditional Islam, the only possible alternative to their position, which owns rich resources for the respectful acknowledgement of difference within itself, and with unbelievers. The lava-stream that flows from Ibn Taymiyya, whose fierce xenophobia mirrored his sense of the imminent Mongol threat to Islam, has a habit of closing minds and hardening hearts. It is true that not every committed Wahhabi is willing to kill civilians to make a political point. However it is also true that no orthodox Sunni has ever been willing to do so. One of the unseen, unsung triumphs of true Islam in the modern world is its complete freedom from any terroristic involvement. Maliki ulama do not become suicide-bombers. No-one has ever heard of Sufi terrorism. Everyone, enemies included, knows that the very idea is absurd.


                    On the point of Fatwa;s:
                    Fatwas are pieces of legal advice given by muslim scholars, in the larger sunni world they play an important role in defining how Islam get's practiced, but they're pieces of scholarly advice, just that, nothing more.

                    Muslim progressives in the U.Shttp://

                    •  Excuses (1+ / 0-)
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                      You're saying that Sunnis don't accept that anyone speaks for god. I gave an example of Sunnis speaking and acting drastically in god's name, the Taliban. You refuse to accept that I have destroyed your argument. Instead you give me some excuses for how "society created the Taliban". It doesn't matter that it did. Your excuse for their behavior being that way shows you agree their behavior is that way. It's not an argument against my point - it's agreement. But you won't admit it.

                      Then you go quoting someone saying "No orthodox Sunni has ever been willing to [kill someone to make a political point]." Which is even more BS, in its vastly greater population of politically murderous Sunnis. You can say they're "not orthodox Sunnis", but the Saudi government, the Sunni theocracy controlling most of Islam's holiest sites, would disagree with you - perhaps by killing you.

                      Fatwas are legal advice that many Muslims follow.

                      You are repeatedly engaging in the "No True Scotsman" fallacy, to which I helpfully linked for you, but you don't even bother to respond.

                      Countries ruled by Sharia law are theocracies. Their law is based on superstition. Islam does not have a monopoly on such roots, but it is the only religion that actually has national laws under its superstitious power.

                      Sufism is anti-authoritarian. You might like it, but that has nothing to do with Sharia, which is by definition authoritarian. There are progressive Muslims. I've known some personally, including friends in Morocco and in the Netherlands, but they're totally irrelevant to theocracy, which they'd reject and (gently) mock if they were in this discussion.

                      Your consistent reliance on fallacy and irrelevant points like Sufism's anti-authoritarianism and the existence of progressive Muslims don't help Islam's image as a rational legal system. To the contrary, they reinforce its reputation for contrived arguments based on a desire to give power to those under the "Islam" brand, regardless of logic or consistency.

                      Sharia is theocracy. It's laws derived from superstition: "god said so". It governs countries, and communities inside some other countries. Fatwas are issued daily and followed by millions of Muslims, deriving their power from superstition that "god said so". Fallacies and excuses for murderers don't change any of that.

                      "When the going gets weird, the weird turn pro." - HST

                      by DocGonzo on Mon Aug 24, 2009 at 06:22:57 AM PDT

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        •  Don't waste your time, Gracian. (2+ / 0-)
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          I know, from reading many of your previous comments on other diaries, that you mean well, but this crowd's reaction to the story is much more what I would expect from Red State than Daily Kos.  A lot of people crying into their beers over the thought that someone might face punishment for breaking a law.

          She knew what the law was, both legally and religiously.  And after her initial shock at her sentence, I felt she made the right decision to ask that the caning be imposed as quickly as possible.  She realized she had done wrong and wanted to be a role model for other Malay Muslims to show her willingness to atone for her crime.  Apparently the caning has been postponed until after Ramadan (which is another decision I agree with).

          But I am surprised at the whiners here.  Muslims know the score:  drinking alcohol is not allowed, period.  It's not an obscure point of the religion.  Islam is not the cafeteria religion, picking and choosing which parts Muslims want to follow, as others have made of their religions.  Good for her, then, that she realized she had done wrong and hopes to atone for that sin, and may Allah (swt) grant her forgiveness.  Ameen.

          Muslims and tigers and bears, oh my!

          by JDsg on Mon Aug 24, 2009 at 10:56:41 AM PDT

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          •  Thanks for the sentiment (2+ / 0-)
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            I'm squarely against corporal punishment precisely because my moral compass is also based on islamic principles of justice, fairness and equality.

            It's very good news that the execution of the sentence will happen after Ramadan. I hope this will give Human Rights Organizations the time to further pressure the Malaysian Government not to go through with the punishment.

            I respect Malaysia's souvereignty but Islam is also acts of giving good advice. The best advice to Malaysia ad this point is to show mercy to this women during Ramadan, and change the sentence to a punishment more in step with the best in islamic history and jurisprudence.

            May Allah forgive us all

            •  I suspect the caning portion of the punishment... (1+ / 0-)
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              ...may be pardoned by the local Sultan around Eid; that was a rumor in yesterday's news report.  That wouldn't surprise me at all.  However, I suspect she may be fined (if she wasn't already), and still have to serve part or all of her jail sentence.

              Muslims and tigers and bears, oh my!

              by JDsg on Mon Aug 24, 2009 at 10:14:20 PM PDT

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    •  Which Men Are Caned? (0+ / 0-)

      I don't see any reports of any men getting caned. Yet there was evidently a whole bar full of them. When I was in Malaysia, I saw bars full of men, and very few women there drinking beer of their own free will. And that was in both KL and in the more medieval Petalang Jaya.

      "When the going gets weird, the weird turn pro." - HST

      by DocGonzo on Sun Aug 23, 2009 at 07:41:14 PM PDT

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      •  Don't Cane Men? (0+ / 0-)

        The article says this was the first woman caned under the new laws. That's interesting, the fact that you saw so many men drinking without any hassle.

        A boner is a terrible thing to waste.

        by Otherday on Sun Aug 23, 2009 at 07:47:04 PM PDT

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        •  Stewardesses (0+ / 0-)

          I don't know if you're going to believe this, but my trip to KL was a sidetrip when my Malaysian Air stewardess invited me to spend Valentine's Day weekend with her (and her two MA stewardess roommates) in their town, instead of just changing planes to Bangkok. Of course I took her up on it. They took me to a bunch of stewardess hangouts, including a pretty rockin' nightclub over in Petalang Jaya - which is the much more traditional sister city to Kuala Lumpur. There were plenty of women drinking there, but that was their hangout. The other bars in KL I saw had very few women, but there were plenty of men drinking. The rest of the story is much more salty, and much less believable.

          But my experience in KL showed me a Malaysia that was about as Muslim, relative to the other half-dozen Muslim countries I've visited, as Canada is to the Christian countries I've visited. This was in 1998, just as Mahathir was going down, during the SE Asia currency crisis. Maybe the past decade has turned Malaysia as crazy as the US had become in "Jesus'" name.

          "When the going gets weird, the weird turn pro." - HST

          by DocGonzo on Sun Aug 23, 2009 at 08:23:45 PM PDT

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  •  Troll. (5+ / 0-)
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    Check HC history.

    We're trapped in the belly of this horrible machine,

    And the machine is bleeding to death.

    by Marcus Tullius on Sun Aug 23, 2009 at 07:14:58 PM PDT

    •  I Gave $500 to Obama. How About You? (2+ / 1-)
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      More than I've ever given any pol. Quite the deal. Doesn't sound trollish to me.

      How about you? Still asking for hand-outs? Why don't you add a comment or two to a diary instead of littering it with names?

      A boner is a terrible thing to waste.

      by Otherday on Sun Aug 23, 2009 at 07:19:31 PM PDT

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      •  Congratulations (3+ / 1-)
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        You just got HR'd by the most stingy TU on this site. That comment was fucking prickish beyond belief.

        I know theft is illegal, but look at all the cool stuff I got!

        by BoiseBlue on Sun Aug 23, 2009 at 07:25:34 PM PDT

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        •  Thanks (0+ / 0-)

          A boner is a terrible thing to waste.

          by Otherday on Sun Aug 23, 2009 at 07:35:15 PM PDT

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        •  HR Abuse (3+ / 0-)
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          You're "the most stingy TU"? You still can't justify an HR for being "prickish". It's far more prickish to take it on yourself to hide a comment from everyone else reading the site just because you don't like it.

          Your HR'ing a comment because it's about you, when you don't HR comments about others (you're "stingy") that are appear all over the place and are far worse, makes your HR abuse even more clearly a copout rather than either ignore or contest the comment you didn't like.

          "When the going gets weird, the weird turn pro." - HST

          by DocGonzo on Sun Aug 23, 2009 at 07:39:36 PM PDT

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          •  Can't follow a comment thread, huh? (3+ / 0-)
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            sberel, capelza, trashablanca

            That comment had absolutely nothing to do with me. Perhaps you should learn to look at the parent comment before saying something so foolish.

            I know theft is illegal, but look at all the cool stuff I got!

            by BoiseBlue on Sun Aug 23, 2009 at 07:43:49 PM PDT

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            •  Can't Stay On Topic, Huh? (1+ / 0-)
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              You're right, I mistakenly thought you were being defensive about a post about you.

              So now you've got no reason at all for the HR abuse you're wallowing in.

              But you've got nothing to say about that, right? Nothing that isn't as foolish as clicking an HR button without merit, that is.

              "When the going gets weird, the weird turn pro." - HST

              by DocGonzo on Sun Aug 23, 2009 at 08:18:28 PM PDT

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              •  It's not HR abuse (3+ / 0-)
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                sberel, capelza, trashablanca

                The comment was an insult to MT, who has a history here (which, if your inability to follow a comment thread is any indicator, you would completely miss).

                In any event, I'm rather unconcerned with your opinion of what is or is not HR abuse. I consider personal attacks to be HR worthy and only hide them if they're not already hidden. I stand by my rating. You can get all worked up about it if it suits you. That is also of very little concern to me.

                I know theft is illegal, but look at all the cool stuff I got!

                by BoiseBlue on Sun Aug 23, 2009 at 08:25:44 PM PDT

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                •  Personal Attack? (2+ / 0-)
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                  Nona D Above, Otherday

                  The post you didn't like does refer to some history. It is referring to some previous conversation in which its target was judged by its poster to have asked for a handout. That's not a "personal attack". That's a response to the target's carrying over some old beef irrelevant here.

                  You don't HR a post because of previous posts. A valid HR comes when that HR'ed post must be hidden because it's too dangerous or offensive for anyone else to read. That's not the case with that post you HR'ed. You didn't like it, you're continuing some old conflict, you abused your HR privilege.

                  The fact that you don't care that your HR is abuse when I point out why, that you're clinging to some irrelevant error and flogging it over and over, makes it perfectly clear that you're an HR abuser.

                  I'm not "worked up". That kind of accusation is the desperate claim of someone repressing their own anxiety at how they've done wrong. You should give yourself a chance to exercise your better judgment instead of projecting your defects onto me.

                  "When the going gets weird, the weird turn pro." - HST

                  by DocGonzo on Mon Aug 24, 2009 at 05:11:50 AM PDT

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  •  How dare the diarist condemn (0+ / 0-)

    the brutalization of a woman by religious fanatics when pot smokers are abused in this country. The arrogance.

  •  Now look here... (2+ / 0-)
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    capelza, Gracian

    I dislike extreme Islam as much as the next person, but you need to rewrite your diary so it doesn't read like a juvenile A-rab killin' revenge fantasy.

    •  They Aren't "A-rabs" - Malaysia (0+ / 0-)

      I guess you didn't like it. What do you think about the caning?

      A boner is a terrible thing to waste.

      by Otherday on Sun Aug 23, 2009 at 07:55:43 PM PDT

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      •  Unjust and savage (2+ / 0-)
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        capelza, Gracian

        and an inevitable result of basing punishments on ancient 'holy books'.

        But look at this sentence:

        Fortunately, we have the right to bear arms in the US of A and you keep a shotgun under the bar, which you retrieve in the nick of time and empty both barrels, ending their miserable, nasty, brutish lives. The world is a better place.

        And try to tell me you didn't need to clean yourself up with some Kleenex after typing that.

        •  Theocrats Get the Best of Me (1+ / 0-)
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          It is a bit over the top, I suppose. I think those religious fanatic types deserve all the abuse that they dole out to others. I think of those poor women who have acid thrown in their faces for not covering up, that sort of thing. Nothing "holy" about it. Caning a woman for drinking a beer is not the worst thing that can happen in this world, but it is cruel and unnecessary.

          A boner is a terrible thing to waste.

          by Otherday on Sun Aug 23, 2009 at 08:05:10 PM PDT

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  •  Kinda like locking up people for pot, isn't it? (0+ / 0-)

    If we send enough people to jail then society will be moral, won't it?

    Damn theocrats.

    We shall overcome, someday. Yes we can.

    by Sam Wise Gingy on Sun Aug 23, 2009 at 09:04:37 PM PDT

  •  Update: Woman Won't Be Caned After All (0+ / 0-)

    This mornings round of news includes a story from Malaysia telling us that Ms. Kartika won't be caned after all.

    Could it be that the international pressure, including this pithy diary on Daily Kos, forced the government to back down? OK, OK, this diary isn't so pithy and had nothing to do with it, but the reaction otherwise was pretty negative.

    A boner is a terrible thing to waste.

    by Otherday on Thu Aug 27, 2009 at 08:58:12 AM PDT

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