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This is to follow up on the McJoan’s detailed piece yesterday on the outrageous conduct at a Republican Party function in Idaho by Republican candidate fro Governor, Rex Rammel.

On August 28, 2009 in the Idaho Statesman political blog, it is stated that Rammell’s Twitter states the following further outrageous comment about Obama "hunting tags":

This is from the August 28 blog of the political reporter of the Statesman:

Boise Statesman Submitted by Kevin Richert on Fri, 08/28/2009 - 9:37am.

UPDATED, 9:55 a.m., with Rammell's most recent statement.

In case you're wondering, the Rex Rammell story isn't going away. Or at least Rammell isn't.

The rogue gubernatorial candidate issued a press release this morning — copied on his Twitter feed — following up on his "Obama tags" remark from Tuesday. Here it is.

"Anyone who understands the law, knows I was just joking, because Idaho has no jurisdiction to issue hunting tags in Washington D.C."

Here is more background from the AP and papers in Idaho:

Idaho GOP hopeful jokes about 'Obama Tags' - Associated Press

By John Miller

BOISE, Idaho — An Idaho Republican gubernatorial hopeful insists he was only joking when he said he'd buy a license to hunt President Barack Obama.

Rex Rammell, a long-shot candidate slated to run against incumbent C.L. "Butch" Otter in the May 2010 GOP primary, made the comment at a Republican rally Tuesday in Twin Falls where talk turned to the state's planned wolf hunt, for which hunters must purchase an $11.50 wolf tag. The hunt is due to begin on Tuesday.

When an audience member shouted a question about "Obama tags," Rammell responded, "The Obama tags? We'd buy some of those."

Rammell told The Associated Press Thursday he sees no reason to apologize for the comment because it was just a joke.

"What I would say to all my Democrat Idahoans: Take a deep breath and relax," he said. "We're not going to go out and hunt Obama."

He also told the Times-News newspaper, "I would never support him being assassinated."

After Rammell's comment was published in the Times-News, he said one person sent him an e-mail indicating he would ask the FBI for an investigation.

The August 28 Editorial of the Idaho Statesman (Boise) notes Republican elected officials are silent:

Rex Rammell's rabble-rousing - Idaho Statesman (editorial)

Rex Rammell was already a fringe candidate for governor - before he began pandering to the lunatic fringe.

But on Tuesday, when a woman at a Republican meeting in Twin Falls remarked about buying a hunting permit and shooting a president, Rammell had the bad taste and horrific judgment to play along.

"The Obama tags?" said Rammell. "We'd buy some of those."

This deplorable rabble-rousing has no place in civil public discourse. And if that seems to state the obvious, consider this. On Thursday, Rammell told the Associated Press that he was only being sarcastic and sees no need to apologize.

He might be alone on that count.

Idaho voters got a taste of Rammell in 2008, when he ran an independent protest campaign for Senate. Now, he is running on the GOP ticket, which leaves Idaho Republicans a choice. Will they renounce Rammell's comments - or will their silence be deafening?

More background on Rammell:

And more:

update:  See McJoan for her update:

Further update from Dan Popkey of the Idaho Statesman (he did the Larry Craig stories)

Idaho GOP leaders condemn Rammell as Rammell continues hunt Obama 'joke'
By Dan Popkey -

Top Idaho Republicans — Gov. Butch Otter, U.S. Sens. Mike Crapo and Jim Risch, U.S. Rep. Mike Simpson and former Idaho Gov. Phil Batt — all condemned fellow Republican Rex Rammell on Friday after he amplified his "joke" about wanting to buy a license to hunt President Barack Obama.
Otter, whom Rammell is challenging in the 2010 GOP primary, said, "Reckless and inflammatory statements like these gravely damage confidence in the political process and the good citizens who serve the public. As Governor, as an Idaho Republican and as a citizen of our state, I reject and condemn this kind of rhetoric. There is no place for it in Idaho."
"Rex Rammell’s comments are in very poor taste and should not have been said," said Crapo. "Remarks like these should not even be made jokingly. We are engaged in a critical national debate over many major issues facing our country today. Remarks like these are not only unhelpful in that debate, but they undermine it. He should apologize for those remarks and for the perception they may have created."
Said Simpson: "It is absolutely irresponsible to say such inflammatory things, especially for someone who seeks to be a leader in Idaho. I know our great state is filled with people who do not share Rex Rammell’s views and we should not let isolated situations dictate how our state is perceived. Our citizens are innovative, progressive, and charitable. Look at any community in Idaho and you will find people who help their neighbors without hesitation, regardless of race."
Added Risch: "I disgree often with the President and his policies. But the comment was totally unacceptable and should not have been made. The comment does not accurately reflect the respect the people of Idaho have for the Office of President and our constitutional form of government."
. . . . .
As for whether Rammell may be hearing from law enforcement, an FBI spokeswoman in Salt Lake City declined comment Friday morning, saying the agency neither confirms or denies investigations.
Asked whether he had been contacted by law enforcement, Rammell e-mailed the Statesman, writing, "Yes; the CIA contacted me. They said the FBI was getting a lot of chatter about the incident and it appeared the spin was getting out of control."

Originally posted to theworksanddays on Fri Aug 28, 2009 at 12:08 PM PDT.

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Comment Preferences

    •  Expect silence. (8+ / 0-)

      Unless it involves sex (and re: Vitter, Sanford and Ensign -- even then possibly not), Republicans simply do not embarrass.

      They can spew forth vile offal, they can be caught in any number of public lies, they can be proven hypocrites time and time again, but you can't make them wilt.

      Short of a criminal scandal (again -- depending upon magnitude) you simply can't get rid of them except at the ballot box.

      So don't expect much from this.  If Steele can keep going around being a total idiot, then Rammell is perfectly fine.

      I'm sad to say that no amount of outrage on your or our part will matter.

      Happy little moron, Lucky little man.
      I wish I was a moron, MY GOD, Perhaps I am!
      -Spike Milligan

      by polecat on Fri Aug 28, 2009 at 12:14:12 PM PDT

      [ Parent ]

      •  Polecat, is that you? (2+ / 0-)
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        polecat, Dirtandiron

        I had a friend in Orlando Fla on King Cole blve in Richmond Heights , I called her PoleCat.

        Could it be?

      •  because they really don't care (4+ / 0-)

        I have read stuff that's pretty explicit. The strategy is to say whatever, including lying, as long as it paints the Democrats in a bad light or advances (in their minds) the Republican cause.

        The question is whether that's immoral or amoral. It's one of those.

        They simply don't have the instinct that recoils from lying, pandering, inciting. It's weird. And then they like to say they have family values. Weirder!

        •  if you read stuff that contains violent threats.. (0+ / 0-)

          ...against elected officials, the thing to do is take screen shots and forward them to the FBI, along with a statement that includes the date and exact time you first saw the material.  

          Law enforcement is kinda' swamped with this shit right now, but they can make the judgement as to what's serious and needs immediate follow-up.  

      •  Seriously though, (3+ / 0-)
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        G2geek, Dirtandiron, greengemini

        Don't you think the Secret Service is cheking this guy out?

        "That's what 'Murica does...rewards mediocracy." -Right Winger with no sense of irony.

        by Bulldawg on Fri Aug 28, 2009 at 12:24:10 PM PDT

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        •  no (2+ / 0-)
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          polecat, G2geek

          The ones who should be checked out are the people shouting the stuff from the crowd. This rube politician is just thinking "a vote..oh boy...I could get a vote".

        •  I gotta a question to your question (1+ / 0-)
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          Was the CIA checking out Oswald?

        •  Why would they? (0+ / 0-)

          The Secret Service is paid to find and thwart real threats to protectees.

          Anyone who seriously believes that:

          1. A State government would issue "Obama tags",  and
          1. A potential assassin would advertise his existence by buying one

          is too stupid and/or insane to be issued a badge and a gun.

          •  except for one thing. (0+ / 0-)

            Violent threats against public officials are a felony.  

            People who joke around about this stuff blur the line between lawful speech and that felony.  Therefore it is reasonable for the FBI and Secret Service to give those people a talking-to about the law, and let them know they'll be prosecuted if they go any further.  

            Otherwise what happens is that it gradually becomes "acceptable" to make those kinds of remarks, to the point where it becomes very difficult to separate the casual from the serious, and that raises the level of real risk.  We really do not want to go there.

            This shit needs to be as unacceptable as grownups making rape jokes about their neighbors' children.  

            •  And sending government agents (0+ / 0-)

              to warn people to watch what they say blurs the line between "the rule of law" and "totalitarianism".

              There are planes leaving for Singapore every day.  If you want to live in a society where the government controls speech,  and always trades off "freedom" when it enhances "safety" or "order",  you should catch one.  I hear "It's a great way to fly".

              But,  if you're going to stay,  please refrain from pissing on the graves of the millions of people who put their lives on the line to prevent that from happening here.

              •  then why not legalize kiddie porn.... (0+ / 0-)

                while we're at it?  Not the stuff made with real kids, but the animated stuff made on computers, no real kids involved at all.  Or stuff made with 18-year-olds who shave their naughty bits and get filmed in scenes suggesting they're maybe 12 or so.  

                Why not legalize that?  

                Otherwise we're on the road to Singapore, aren't we?

                •  The only valid reason for not (0+ / 0-)

                  doing so would be that it might hamper the prosecution of the real thing.

                  We have a law that requires that people producing fake kiddie porn with adults prove that all the people who take part really are adults.  If there were a way to provide similar proof that computer-generated porn really generated from scratch,  there would be no legitimate reason to ban it.

                  •  there was a case some years ago.... (0+ / 0-)

                    ...where a guy was convicted of possessing kiddie porn because he had cut out a bunch of pictures of kids from a Sears catalog and pasted them into some kind of scrap book he used as wank-fodder.  

                    Just this year, a comic book collector was sentenced to a long prison term for having Japanese "manga" that depicted nudity: in Japan, showing pubic hair is the legal definition of porn, so nude cartoons have to show hairless nudes, which in the USA makes them look like children.  

                    Now IMHO that's going too far: those instances are basically thoughtcrime.

                    And in point of fact I agree that "synthesized" kiddie porn ought to be legal because no real kids are abused.  Whether or not that stuff makes most of us want to puke is irrelevant; after all we don't have to look at it.  

                    As a generalization, the legal treatments of explicit sex and explicit violence ought to be identical.  The abject hypocrisy of the double-standard in this area is disgusting and has no rational basis whatsoever.  But that's another debate for another day.  

      •  ... and be disappointed. (0+ / 0-)

        If you'd bothered to do a google search for "Rex Rammell" to find out "Who is this guy,  anyway?",  the very first result you would have gotten is a news story about the Governor,  a Senator,  and their Congresscritter falling over each other in their rush to marginalize him.

      •  the reason the outrage matters is to (0+ / 0-)

        maintain the cultural value that violent threats against public officials are beyond the pale.  Totally unacceptable, no exceptions, no excuses.  

        By analogy if someone was running around telling jokes about raping children, we'd expect them to be ostracized, and we would not want the culture to change to make those kinds of jokes acceptable.  

    •  So, I guess you'd want the thousands (0+ / 0-)

      of people who've been buying and wearing these over the last 40+ years rounded up and put in "FEMA camps",  right?

      Whoever told you we were having a contest with the Republicans to see who could be the looniest was pulling your leg.

    •  heads-up "the CIA contacted me" is provable BS (0+ / 0-)

      The CIA has NO jurisdiction in the USA.  The CIA does not engage in law enforcement activity, only in foreign intel activity.  

      There are specific laws that prevent CIA from contacting US persons in the US.

      Therefore this guy is full of shit.

      It may be that the FBI contacted him, or the Secret Service.  Good, I hope they did, and I hope the interview session was long and uncomfortable, with no bathroom breaks.  

    •  and the woman who shouted the question.. (0+ / 0-)

      should have had her ID taken down by police.

      Put her name in the database.  

      Tough shit if it was an idle joke.  That's like making BOMB jokes in an airport.  No excuse.  

      If anyone knows the name of that woman or anything else about her, please put it in a reply to this comment.  

  •  Translation: "We Don't Want Idahoans to Be the (4+ / 0-)
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    pattisigh, drmah, Dirtandiron, grannycarol

    ones who take out Obama."

    We are called to speak for the weak, for the voiceless, for victims of our nation and for those it calls enemy.... --ML King "Beyond Vietnam"

    by Gooserock on Fri Aug 28, 2009 at 12:10:27 PM PDT

    •  Another embarrassing idiot (3+ / 0-)

      from Idaho.  Jeez I'm getting tired of being surrounded by these loonies.  

      Being a blue gal in the most red state in the union is so effing frustrating.  At least here in the state capital there are many progressives.  And we have a Dem Mayor And our press does call these bozos to account.  

      On a happier neighbor & I don't talk much...he's a pretty gruff, ex-logger so we don't have that much in common.  I was even afraid that my Obama sign would go missing last year.  It never did and a few weeks ago we started chatting and one thing led to another and the discussion turned to health care.  He is very much in favor of reform (his daughter is uninsured) and said very matter-of-factly to me that he knows most people think he is a wacko Republican and wanted me to know that he is a Truman Democrat and voted for Obama.  

      Just when you think you know people, they surprise you.  Unless you're the crackpot this diary is about!

      I'm mad as hell and can't take it anymore. We need health insurance!

      by pattisigh on Fri Aug 28, 2009 at 12:30:08 PM PDT

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  •  Outrage (7+ / 0-)

    We simply cannot come anywhere close to doing it as well as the GOP and the Right in America. Can you imagine for a nanosecond if a bunch of Leftists brought guns to an event where Bush was speaking after 9/11? Jesus Fracking Christ we wouldn't hear about anything else in the media for months.

    EVERY Dem in Congress would be forced to distance themselves and apologize for these people. There wouldn't be 2 minutes of hate, it would be 2 solid months of Liberals are wack-jobs, Liberals are traitors, anyone threatening the President should be immediately hauled off to Gitmo, and it would be loud, angry and non stop 24/7. We can't come close to matching that. The GOP and the Right in this country have perfected the art of outrage and the media is right there with them.

    The Book of Revelation is not a foreign policy manual.

    by Dont Just Stand There on Fri Aug 28, 2009 at 12:17:06 PM PDT

  •  You know you've entered the twilight zone when... (10+ / 0-)


    He also told the Times-News newspaper, "I would never support him being assassinated."

    ...question is posed to a gubernatorial candidate by a newspaper and you can't criticize it for wasting space on crazy, hypothetical, "do you still beat your wife," journalism.

    That these people need to be asked this question, and the fact that they don't have the moral fortitude to tell a nut-job that it's completely inappropriate to suggest hunting and killing the president, or that you "are a right-wing terrorist," or your carrying a sign depicting the president with a Hitler mustache, or it's improper to hang your congressman in effigy, or... really tells you what heartless, despicable, ignorant bastards are passing as GOP candidates and office holders these days.

  •  For me it keeps coming back to one thing... (4+ / 0-)
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    What would have happened had a democratic candidate made the same comment about Bush hunting tags 2 or 3 years ago? I can almost hear the right wing screaming! And the FBI or secret service would have likely arrested him by now.

    All tyranny needs to gain a foothold is for people of good conscience to remain silent - Thomas Jefferson

    by reflectionsv37 on Fri Aug 28, 2009 at 12:27:36 PM PDT

    •  Maybe politicians like that who seem to be (1+ / 0-)
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      advocating, (or at least condoning) violence against the President should be classified as "enemy combatants." They were so quick to label even mild and polite critics of Bush  "traitors" and "unpatriotic". What could be more unpatriotic than threatening the President?

      A witty saying proves nothing. Voltaire

      by Dirtandiron on Fri Aug 28, 2009 at 12:52:58 PM PDT

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    •  You mean like the way they (0+ / 0-)

      arrested the entire cast of SNL for doing a sketch in which Bush the Elder,  on a hunting trip with Dumbya,  briefly considers shooting his idiot son for the good of the country,  but relents with his trademark "Wouldn't be prudent"?

  •  Assination humor (9+ / 0-)

    is only funny if you hate democracy.

    We shall overcome, someday. Yes we can.

    by Sam Wise Gingy on Fri Aug 28, 2009 at 12:27:48 PM PDT

  •  Wrong answer: (5+ / 0-)

    He also told the Times-News newspaper, "I would never support him being assassinated."

    He states this like it would be perfectly reasonable for someone to support assassination, like it's a highway bill or something. He "doesn't support" assassination is about the weakest denial he could make.

    The correct response is disgust, anger, and outrage that someone would even suggest such a thing.

    Unless you secretly support it....

  •  Why are we surprised when hate... (4+ / 0-)

    shows itself.

    I think because we keeping hoping that reason and logic will win out even when love loses.

    I keep hoping that the better self will win in each of us.

    Believing that each of us will recognize the lie for what it is and turn away from it.

    But , hey, we have to believe in reality. Most folks want riches. And you don't usually get and keep riches by looking after the little guy.

    riches is not evil. the love of having to be the one with the most riches at any cost over any body is the evil.  

    And when hope springs eternal, we have to learn the lesson over and over and be shocked at the hate every time.

    Just my thoughts on the matter.

    •  same as why we're surprised when we hear.... (1+ / 0-)
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      looking and listening

      ...that someone has abducted and killed a child.  

      Certain things are beyond the pale and should always be shocking.  The fact that they happen at all in a civilized society should always be shocking.  And the proper response to those kinds of things should be outrage from the public and demands that the guilty parties be prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law.

  •  Rammell needs to know - jokes are for comedians (1+ / 0-)
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    Rammell is no comedian...he just plays one in the RNC?

    what a loser (and i ought to know...i live in SC and where there are many repub losers)

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