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    This will be, in the proper Kossack vernacular, a short diary.

    Simply put, I DEMAND media coverage of America's wars NOW!

    If these wars are NOT worth media coverage, they are not worth fighting. If the threat America faces from it's enemies is so great that it is absolutely necessary that we go to war, than it is absolutely necessary that the "free" press gives it ample coverage.

    Since the Presidential Primaries back in the Spring of 2008 coverage of America's wars have almost entirely disappeared from the traditional media. With the exception of a few intrepid journalists the traditional media has given us NOTHING as far as details of what is happening in Iraq, Afghanistan or Pakistan except for the times when Dick Cheney emerges from his crypt, when President Obama sent more troops to Afghanistan, when an Iraqi journalist threw his shoes at George Bush's idiot of a son and when Rudy "9/11,9/11,9/11" shows up to collect his royalty fee.

   In short, I want DETAILS, and if you're not in the mood you better GET IN THE MOOD, Mister.

     There is no instance of a country having benefited from prolonged warfare.

~ Sun Tzu on The Art of War

    I address this to the Traditional Media at large, but specifically to those liberals and progressives in the media who have some influence over the content of their coverage. America needs to see these wars. America needs to see these bodies coming home. America needs to see the costs of these wars in terms of HUMAN LIVES.

   How much are these wars costing America? What are we achieving? If you are a professional journalist, THIS IS YOUR JOB.


     Again, if the campaign is protracted, the resources
   of the State will not be equal to the strain.

    ~ Sun Tzu on The Art of War

    It's been TEN YEARS. Even Odysseus came home after ten years, and he fought the fucking cyclops. Unless Calypso lives in Kandahar the American media should be able to find there way out and give us a story once a month or two, no?

    If it is absolutely necessary for America to spend the invaluable lives of our sons and daughters and an ever increasing 1/4 of our national budget on our military, despite facing an enemy with no army, navy or airforce that can compete with ours, than it is absolutely necessary that the media informs the American people on what our military is doing overseas on a daily basis.

    Dear media, especially Keith Olbermann, Rachel Maddow, Thom Hartmann and all the other journalists who opposed these wars when they were mismanaged and forgotten, please, tell America what is happening. Anything less is a disservice to the men and women fighting these all important wars and the American public to whom our "free" press is supposed to inform.

    Otherwise, we face a world where war is even more the norm, a world where war has no goal, no objective, and no purpose, other than maintaining the military budget, which is not the purpose of progress, My goal is progress. If war has no other purpose than destruction and it isn't even worth reporting it isn't worth fighting, and then it is the opposite of progress, and something my namesake would be more suited to comment on.

    "Do you begin to see, then, what kind of world we are creating? It is the exact opposite of the stupid hedonistic Utopias that the old reformers imagined. A world of fear and treachery and torment, a world of trampling and being trampled upon, a world which will grow not less but more merciless as it refines itself. Progress in our world will be progress toward more pain."

    ~ George Orwell, 1984

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    Crossposted at ProgressiveElectorate.com and Docudharma.com

Originally posted to MinistryOfTruth on Tue Feb 16, 2010 at 08:59 PM PST.

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  •  Tips for an informed public (128+ / 0-)

    without that, Democracy doesn't work

    "Politics isn't about big money or power games; it's about the improvement of people's lives" ~ The Late Sen. Paul Wellstone

    by MinistryOfTruth on Tue Feb 16, 2010 at 08:59:24 PM PST

  •  Dipping in to the Sun Tzu (12+ / 0-)

    references will always get a tip/rec from me. And you're right, the nation needs to know what is going on in Iraq and Afghanistan. Not just those of us sitting around addicted to political blogs.

    I stand by the truth, that way I don't have to be near any Republicans.

    by ontheleftcoast on Tue Feb 16, 2010 at 09:03:44 PM PST

  •  Meh (15+ / 0-)

    In principle, I agree with you.

    But on the other hand, the reality of what coverage our wars do get from our media is in some ways worse than simply not talking about it.  I've been meaning to write a diary on the horrible, sycophantic pieces that "60 Minutes" has been running on Afghanistan this season - puff propaganda pieces that would have been embarrassing in 1969 but are the cutting edge of "taking the war seriously" in our media today.  Frankly, I think that if CNN or the nightly news was covering the wars, they would be doing an even worse job of it than "60 Minutes".

    So I tend to think this is a lose-lose proposition.

    The urge to save humanity is almost always a false face for the urge to rule it. ~ H.L. Mencken

    by Jay Elias on Tue Feb 16, 2010 at 09:04:17 PM PST

    •  puff propaganda pieces (10+ / 0-)

      It's lose/lose, but as Kos says, the status quo is untenable, and I agree with him on that regarding many issues, but especially the war.

      Americans need to know

      "Politics isn't about big money or power games; it's about the improvement of people's lives" ~ The Late Sen. Paul Wellstone

      by MinistryOfTruth on Tue Feb 16, 2010 at 09:06:18 PM PST

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      •  They do... (3+ / 0-)

        ...but I can't help but to think that we do a better job of helping inform Americans by continuing to report on the wars in a balanced, informed, and accurate way here, and on our other blogs, then we do to demand mediocre coverage of the wars on television and in print.

        The urge to save humanity is almost always a false face for the urge to rule it. ~ H.L. Mencken

        by Jay Elias on Tue Feb 16, 2010 at 09:10:53 PM PST

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        •  True (1+ / 0-)
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          I just hope that we can get more info, because we bloggers can't go to the hot spots and see the action on the ground, and thus we only see a vignette, and not the whole picture.

          America needs to see the whole picture, the costs, and the reason to fight. Like I said, and I'm sure you agree, if it isn't worth at least a page 5, it isn't worth fighting.

          "Politics isn't about big money or power games; it's about the improvement of people's lives" ~ The Late Sen. Paul Wellstone

          by MinistryOfTruth on Tue Feb 16, 2010 at 09:14:54 PM PST

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          •  I dunno mate (5+ / 0-)

            Have you seen the stuff Vice Magazine, of all people, got from Liberia and North Korea?

            I think that's the future.  I wouldn't be surprised if in a year or two, dKos has a reporter in Afghanistan.  Doing good journalism creates its own audience.  Joe Posnanski was a well-respected professional sports reporter, started a great blog that got huge and in a year was an editor at Sports Illustrated.  We can aggregate information from a wide array of sources on the situation in Afghanistan without being there.  We can translate stories from the foreign press and help gain perspective that our media won't give us.  We can do a lot.

            The urge to save humanity is almost always a false face for the urge to rule it. ~ H.L. Mencken

            by Jay Elias on Tue Feb 16, 2010 at 09:22:07 PM PST

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            •  Great idea, Jay (5+ / 0-)

              We can aggregate information from a wide array of sources on the situation in Afghanistan without being there.  We can translate stories from the foreign press and help gain perspective that our media won't give us.  We can do a lot.

              And we SHOULD do a lot. I only wish I could do more, that WE could do more

              "Politics isn't about big money or power games; it's about the improvement of people's lives" ~ The Late Sen. Paul Wellstone

              by MinistryOfTruth on Tue Feb 16, 2010 at 09:32:50 PM PST

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          •  I used to do iraqi war diaries (2+ / 0-)
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            Floande, MinistryOfTruth

            And I did one once that compared a foreign news report to an american news report - the differences were perceptible and sometimes striking.

            But even then, you're relying on foreign news. Almost impossible for us to get first hand accounts unless we know someone involved in a particular region or battle, etc.

            The crooks are leaving have left office, unprosecuted and scot-free fully funded, thanks SCOTUS.

            by BentLiberal on Tue Feb 16, 2010 at 10:11:57 PM PST

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        •  "they do" know? or "they do" need to know? (0+ / 0-)

          The crooks are leaving have left office, unprosecuted and scot-free fully funded, thanks SCOTUS.

          by BentLiberal on Tue Feb 16, 2010 at 10:04:15 PM PST

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    •  Check out (1+ / 0-)
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      Floande

      War Made Easy; war coverage has always been sycophantic and cheerleading.  

      "Well General, this is a great way to go to war." -- Walter Kronkite

      People remember the critical coverage of Vietnam because it was memorable; the standard then was also puff propaganda.

  •  one thing to quibble with in your diary: (9+ / 0-)

    Otherwise, we face a world where war is the norm

    The U.S. has fought and bombed more countries than any other in the last 6 or 7 decades.  I'm pretty sure that war has been the norm for our country for quite a while now.

  •  I'd also like to know (16+ / 0-)

    an exact count (or at least a corroborated estimate) of how many Iraqi and Afghani civilians have been killed as a result of our involvement in both countries during the past 8+ years.  The civilian human cost has to count for something, too.

  •  We also need to have the U.S (6+ / 0-)

    sign the Rome Treaty so we agree to be under the ICC's jurisdiction, and we need to send Yoo, Bybee, Cheney, Rumsfield and Bush to the Hague for war crimes in their torturing of terror suspects.

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    by pistolSO on Tue Feb 16, 2010 at 09:11:03 PM PST

  •  Hey, I demand it too. (5+ / 0-)

    Shit in one hand, demand in the other, see which one gets full fastest. The media don't work for us, they serve them who pays 'em. Money talks, outraged citizenry walks.

  •  Bush's policy of hiding coffins (6+ / 0-)

    ...still influences the media coverage of wars.

    Besides, if they really told the truth, people might take to the streets and demonstrate as in the days of Vietnam.

    Or people might just continue to watch American Idol and ignore America's wars.

    "People who hate cats will come back as mice in their next life"...Faith Resnick

    by Ekaterin on Tue Feb 16, 2010 at 09:17:08 PM PST

  •  Just because (7+ / 0-)

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    "Politics isn't about big money or power games; it's about the improvement of people's lives" ~ The Late Sen. Paul Wellstone

    by MinistryOfTruth on Tue Feb 16, 2010 at 09:17:17 PM PST

  •  This is a direct result of the demise (6+ / 0-)

    of newspapers.  A lot of folks have been cheering their deaths, ignorantly so I must add, but there is no money for full time staffs to cover these wars.  Sorry but that's the sad and sorry truth.  And of course a lot of it has to do with the public not demanding the news- so they are getting the coverage they deserve from the 4th estate.  So also it's a bit of a blur between symptom and disease.

    •  Rachel (9+ / 0-)

      used to cover the wars. Her life during wartimes series were always good. I wonder if she is being censored.
      They only one I have found covering it is Amy Goodman.
      I wish the media would focus on the Olympic Protests also. If people knew what went on behind the scenes, such as people getting kicked off their lands, the cuts for the poor, the 100,000 trees cut down for a ski resort, and mostly the cost of the Olympics plus the Billion in security against the protesters, maybe people wouldn't watch them.
      I myself am boycotting them this year. I was in Salt Lake during the run up and the graft and corruption is unimaginable.
      Wonder what our world would be like if the media did the job they used to do?
      Instead of the fluff jobs and the running out of any Republican they can find to slam Obama.
      Sad.
      And it will get much worse if the Comcast/NBC merger goes thru.
      I think it is the intentional dumbing down of Americans.
      Most of them are pretty dumb anyway.. Present company excluded

      $100 Million to save the people of Haiti. $33 Billion to kill the people of Afghanistan. How does this make sense?

      by snoopydawg on Tue Feb 16, 2010 at 09:34:45 PM PST

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    •  Thank you. I hear these same cheers ... (5+ / 0-)

      ...all the time. It's not that the traditional media are flawless, gawd knows. Many political blogs were birthed on complaints about the tradmed's terrible coverage of the ramp-up to the Iraq invasion. But, while I despise much of what I see in, say, the Washington Post, that is also the venue of Dana Priest, who exposed the secret prisons. Knight-Ridder (now McClatchy) did fantastic coverage of Iraq. Similar things can be said about most newspapers, even some of the worst ones, like those conquered by Gannett.

      I spent my final 12 years in journalism at the Los Angeles Times. During those years, I watched as the powers-that-were slowly dismantled their highly rated foreign bureaus, and reduced their domestic investigations and their coverage of California government while diluting their coverage of business in what is the 8th (or so) largest economy in the world.

      While there are some great blogs, and a handful of good investigators out there, like TPM and Pro-Publica, these newspapers and their once-big budgets are not going to be replaced. And those who now say a pox on all of them but link and excerpt their stories every day will regret it big time.

      I refuse to accept "no can do" as a proper slogan for progressives.

      by Meteor Blades on Tue Feb 16, 2010 at 10:14:11 PM PST

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  •  I heard a young adult interviewed on TV (5+ / 0-)

    and she, a US citizen, said all she knew was war.  

    Sad.  

    Be ashamed to die until you have won some victory for humanity. Horace Mann (and btw, the bike in kayakbiker is a bicycle)

    by Kayakbiker on Tue Feb 16, 2010 at 09:31:41 PM PST

    •  How did she know? This diary is about no coverage (0+ / 0-)

      Since the Presidential Primaries back in the Spring of 2008 coverage of America's wars have almost entirely disappeared from the traditional media.

      How did the young adult know there was a war going on?

      •  I've met young people (younger than me, I'm 30) (2+ / 0-)
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        who do not know we are still at war, and many, many others who do not know why.

        I think that's a crime. I am sure the deficit of all things gets 10 times the coverage Iraq does, and isn't that a goose and egg situation, eh?

        We deserve to know, and we need reporters to do it. If I have to go to Afghanistan to know what's going on things have certainly fallen backwards to the 19th century. It's as though America won the battle of New Orleans and didn't know it was even fighting it or why, let alone weeks after it actually happened

        "Politics isn't about big money or power games; it's about the improvement of people's lives" ~ The Late Sen. Paul Wellstone

        by MinistryOfTruth on Tue Feb 16, 2010 at 10:17:36 PM PST

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      •  the war on terra (0+ / 0-)

        Be ashamed to die until you have won some victory for humanity. Horace Mann (and btw, the bike in kayakbiker is a bicycle)

        by Kayakbiker on Wed Feb 17, 2010 at 07:35:08 AM PST

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  •  coincidentally (7+ / 0-)

    I was looking through some photographs of paintings by British War Artists (Britain has official war artists, strange as that sounds)and if people saw some of these support for wars would drop through the floor.

    The one that sticks in my mind portrays a man castrated, pants round his knees and tied to a tree with the wound clearly visible. This was bad enough but there were two kids playing within feet of this - this was the new normal for them.

    I agree with you and this:

    If these wars are NOT worth media coverage, they are not worth fighting

    sums it up perfectly.

    Harry Reid's lack of backbone is an act, his obstructionism isn't.

    by stevej on Tue Feb 16, 2010 at 09:33:51 PM PST

  •  I hear you on this. This country is so kept (5+ / 0-)

    in the dark about almost everything terrible that has happened to it.  There just are no details.  The news tells you a thing happened and moves on, but let a senator retire, unlimited coverage.  Let a teabagger hold a rally, ridiculous coverage, and of course the old balloon boy saga, days that turn into weeks of asinine coverage.

    'If we lift our voice as one, there's nothing that can't be done' MJ

    by publicv on Tue Feb 16, 2010 at 09:46:39 PM PST

    •  RATINGS RATINGS RATINGS (1+ / 0-)
      Recommended by:
      MinistryOfTruth

      I don't see a conspiracy, we know what people like and sadly it is pretty stupid stuff. Dare I not say the O.J Simpson saga a real turning point for the 24 hour "News" machine. "News" is in quotes for a good reason.

      •  I guess so, but this excuse stops being (0+ / 0-)

        good enough.  Real and important things that impact all of our lives are going on, and the hard stuff NEEDS to be tackled.  It needs to be said  over an over again so it can become just as important as the fluff.

        'If we lift our voice as one, there's nothing that can't be done' MJ

        by publicv on Wed Feb 17, 2010 at 01:04:09 AM PST

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        •  Do we want to talk about it or end it? (0+ / 0-)

          Because it seems like we are just waiting for Obama to stop when he feels like it. If we don't demand it ends now and not as soon as politically convenient , who will the media play too? Coverage that we won't watch because we have already accepted the status quo is not going to get on the air. The media will play to our demands to end the war and bash Obama for prolonging it, or it will assume we support his new strategy and keep us updated on pentagon press releases.

          •  What they deem important is not really (0+ / 0-)

            up to us at this dangerously important time.  They should know what needs to be known, and they should be telling us.  They have the pen.

            'If we lift our voice as one, there's nothing that can't be done' MJ

            by publicv on Wed Feb 17, 2010 at 07:54:10 AM PST

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  •  Obama promised to end it. So he did. His way. (1+ / 0-)
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    sephius1

    I think he's rebuilding the economies, schools, and other pretty good stuff.

    That's why the networks are not covering Iraq and Afghanistan. They never cover Obama's progress in these things.

    There have been some minor troop movement, but nothing deserving a lot of attention. Certainly not daily.

    What's all the fuss? He would tell us if anything bad was going on. He's the commander-in-chief too.

    •  excuse me...."end it"? (7+ / 0-)

      Gonna need to explain that one to me.  Sending in thousands of more troops into Afghanistan doesn't strike me as "ending" a war.

      •  Don't know why he did it, but must be good reason (0+ / 0-)

        if he was doing something big Obama would tell us about it.

        This must be some kind of troop reconfiguring thingy from war stuff to peace stuff. I'm not a general. If there was any fighting going on it would be in the news and on DKos. I haven't seen anything about it.

        No doubt everybody important thinks he's got it handled. Fox not complaining. HuffPo not complaining. Palin not complaining. Kos not complaining. This diary is the only complaint I've seen. What's the basis for it?

        •  that's putting an awful lot of faith (5+ / 0-)

          in the President for his decision.  "He escalated the war in Afghanistan, but it's okay, because Obama's the President, and he must have had a good reason."

          Oh, and lots of us have complained about Obama's war strategy: Glenn Greenwald, Cenk Uygur, Meteor Blades....to name a few.  And yours truly.

          •  The Right and Media Attack Obama Every Chance but (0+ / 0-)

            silent on the war. Not making any sense. I don't remember Obama saying he was escalating the war.

            He needed to move around some troops or something. Maybe to hand out water to civilians or teach kids to read. Not sure about his reasons but haven't heard of any big battles or casualties. The press would know about these things.

            Doesn't seem to be any evidence in this diary of Obama hiding anything. So the criticism of the media for not reporting nothing is kind of a dead end.

            •  wow (2+ / 0-)
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              I don't where to start with this comment.

              I don't remember Obama saying he was escalating the war.

              You don't?  You don't remember that speech he gave a couple months ago?  You know, the one where he specifically announced that he was sending in 30,000 more troops into Afghanistan?

              He needed to move around some troops or something. Maybe to hand out water to civilians or teach kids to read. Not sure about his reasons but haven't heard of any big battles or casualties. The press would know about these things.

              Wow.  You're not sure about his reasons for escalating, but you're willing to speculate that the reason we're sending in 30,000 more troops is so they could teach Afghan children to read?  You don't honestly think that, do you?  Is that what those troops were doing when an errant rocket killed at least 10 people including 5 children last weekend?

              Doesn't seem to be any evidence in this diary of Obama hiding anything. So the criticism of the media for not reporting nothing is kind of a dead end.

              Actually, MinistryOfTruth didn't claim in the diary that Obama was covering up anything, per se, but rather that the media was not doing its job in covering the wars.  It is interesting, however, that you seem to imply that what Obama is saying = what the media is saying.....which is a claim that I actually think has some merit, because that's generally what happens with a lot of so-called reporters, these days.  A politician says something, reporters write it down verbatim, don't challenge any of the assertions made, and they go about their merry way.

              •  You say the media isn't reporting then you quote (0+ / 0-)

                the news for bad information about the war. Just where I said you would find it. In the news! Your argument is not with me, but the diary that says there's no information about the war. Just wrong.

                Moving 30,000 troops from Iraq to Afghanistan is moving troops. You call it escalating. Obama didn't call it that. So your fight is with him not me about definitions. Escalating, to me, is drafting a 100,000 more troops sending them to war. Moving 30,000 from one war zone to another isn't escalating. It's moving them from there to there. Just like I said.

                The wow is an exaggeration like all the rest.

                •  this is plain false: (2+ / 0-)
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                  Moving 30,000 troops from Iraq to Afghanistan is moving troops. You call it escalating. Obama didn't call it that. So your fight is with him not me about definitions. Escalating, to me, is drafting a 100,000 more troops sending them to war. Moving 30,000 from one war zone to another isn't escalating. It's moving them from there to there. Just like I said.

                  From Obama's speech on December 1, 2009:

                  And as Commander-in-Chief, I have determined that it is in our vital national interest to send an additional 30,000 U.S. troops to Afghanistan.

                  Obama did not move 30,000 troops from Iraq to Afghanistan.  Nowhere in his speech did he announce a shift of troops from Iraq.  He announced his plan to send 30,000 additional troops from the U.S. to Afghanistan.  That is an escalation.  Get your facts straight before you accuse me of "exaggerating."

                  •  Wow, he did. He's escalating a war. He's tricky. (0+ / 0-)

                    I thought he was just moving them. You're right. He sent more troops there than Bush. I apologize. I had no idea he was a war escalating president. Oh well. Who can you trust? No one. We should put the press on this story and find out what this president is up to. Good work.

              •  Here's his reason for more troops: (0+ / 0-)

                The additional troops, Obama said, "will increase our ability to train competent Afghan security forces

                It's not teaching kids to read. My bad. I'm not a general. His reason for them is to teach Afghan troops to fight. It was something about learnin'. So that much I was right.

                •  I'm trying to figure out if this ... (2+ / 0-)
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                  blueoasis, JesseCW

                  ...is snark.  

                  If it isn't snark, and you really are as unfamiliar as you seem to be on the administration's Afghanistan policy, you probably should begin here with President Obama's December 1 speech on escalation.

                  By October, there will be some 66,000 more troops in Afghanistan than when Obama took the oath of office 13 months ago. That's a tripling of U.S. forces there. And they will not all be there to train Afghans.

                  I refuse to accept "no can do" as a proper slogan for progressives.

                  by Meteor Blades on Tue Feb 16, 2010 at 11:17:30 PM PST

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              •  Which came after the speech in which he sent (0+ / 0-)

                14,000 more, and the speech in which he announced he'd send 20,000 more...

                For a grand total of 64,000 additional troops...

                "If you have to wave dead babies in the air to make your point, you haven't got one" My Mom

                by JesseCW on Wed Feb 17, 2010 at 02:01:03 AM PST

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            •  I never meant to imply Obama is hiding anything (1+ / 0-)
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              blueoasis

              with this diary.

              At the same time, I wouldn't mind if he told us more.

              Transparency is a pre-requisite for accountability

              "They can't remain comfortable in their ignorance. That has to change or the wars won't stop." ~ Kossack ontheleftcoast

              by MinistryOfTruth on Tue Feb 16, 2010 at 11:02:25 PM PST

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        •  There has been quite a bit of news on "the front" (3+ / 0-)

          that has been covered on DKos, in some excellent diaries under the "Afghanistan" and "War Crimes" tags, and though I did not link to them, they do inform.

          But as far as the basis of my complaint regarding the dearth of coverage of America's wars, I weight that dearth in measures of the blood of yo0ung Americans, a sad and sordid task, and each day my countrymen die without clear cause or attention, the poorer we all are for it.

          That should be reason enough, certainly, yes?

          "Politics isn't about big money or power games; it's about the improvement of people's lives" ~ The Late Sen. Paul Wellstone

          by MinistryOfTruth on Tue Feb 16, 2010 at 10:12:13 PM PST

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          •  The truth is that even the blogs have reduced ... (7+ / 0-)

            ...their coverage of the wars. We've done it on the FP here, too. The truth is the wars require somebody working full time to maintain even a modicum expertise on the subject, and there are so many subjects we need to be "expert" on. That's not an excuse. Or a rationalization. Just the fact of the matter.

            I refuse to accept "no can do" as a proper slogan for progressives.

            by Meteor Blades on Tue Feb 16, 2010 at 10:18:19 PM PST

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            •  Quite true, MB (0+ / 0-)

              I honestly would like to start a series, on rotation between a few people to cover the wars in Iraq, Afghanistan and now Pakistan ( I guess ) as well as other news in US-Iran and US-N Korea relations. The Conservatives dominate us on this because they OWN the media and we own less.

              Man, I'm, gonna hate the citizen's united era, I just know it.

              Maybe we can get a few people together, each diary one day a week on war, accountability and foreign policy. I'm no wonk, but I think it warrants steady coverage.

              "Politics isn't about big money or power games; it's about the improvement of people's lives" ~ The Late Sen. Paul Wellstone

              by MinistryOfTruth on Tue Feb 16, 2010 at 10:23:11 PM PST

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            •  Agree - it's very complex (1+ / 0-)
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              even to write about war in a detached way takes lots of effort, to gain knowledge.

              If you throw in the tax on one's emotions that can occur internally when facing what's going on, it can be doubly hard.

              The crooks are leaving have left office, unprosecuted and scot-free fully funded, thanks SCOTUS.

              by BentLiberal on Tue Feb 16, 2010 at 10:24:26 PM PST

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            •  Compassion Fatigue (1+ / 0-)
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              I heard that phrase some where, it is hard to feel bad about something for years on end. The mind just wants to accept what has been happening for a long time as normal and get on with things, especially when it is out of sight.  

              Tired of being angry and ignored. Our media still can't suggest cutting the military budget and we talk about ending the wars less than when Bush was in office. Maybe the left has to be consistent, or we were just too hard on Bush perhaps. He knows us, we accept this stuff so they do it.

    •  After 8 years of Bush, this doesn't cut it for me (2+ / 0-)
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      What's all the fuss? He would tell us if anything bad was going on. He's the commander-in-chief too.

      Of course, I don't mean to imply that Obama = Bush. What I mean to say is that I need FACTS, and so does the American public. For our sons and daughters sake, we deserve to know the facts about what is going on in the theaters of war we are engaged in.

      Ignorance is not strength, and hope is good, but facts are better

      "Politics isn't about big money or power games; it's about the improvement of people's lives" ~ The Late Sen. Paul Wellstone

      by MinistryOfTruth on Tue Feb 16, 2010 at 09:56:10 PM PST

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    •  Don't get me wrong, Obama has done a lot of good (1+ / 0-)
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      but in many matters, especially that of foreign policy and in regards to the rule of law, I want to see MORE AND BETTER from President Obama, as well as our media.

      At the end of the day, I want to see MORE and BETTER for everybody and from everybody. That is how real progress is made.

      "Politics isn't about big money or power games; it's about the improvement of people's lives" ~ The Late Sen. Paul Wellstone

      by MinistryOfTruth on Tue Feb 16, 2010 at 09:59:04 PM PST

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      •  Who you gonna believe Obama or the media? (0+ / 0-)

        No news is good news. If it was bad stuff it would be plastered all over the place. If you see nothing and hear nothing, it means everything is under control.

        Bush could not hide the bad news about Iraq. If he couldn't do it then nobody can.

        You don't think Obama is hiding FACTS from us do you? If that's what you think then you should say so.

        Don't change the subject and accuse the media of ignoring the war if you think something sinister is going on. Just say Obama is hiding the facts not the media.

        •  perhaps you haven't read enough news lately (3+ / 0-)
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          Here's a story from this past weekend in the New York Times:

          An errant American rocket strike on Sunday hit a compound crowded with Afghan civilians in the last Taliban stronghold in Helmand Province, killing at least 10 people, including 5 children, military officials said.

          Avoiding such civilian deaths, which came on the second day of a major allied offensive around Marja, has been a cornerstone of the war strategy by the top American commander, Gen. Stanley A. McChrystal. He apologized to President Hamid Karzai, saying, "We deeply regret this tragic loss of life."

          Turkana wrote about this same story in a Daily Kos diary on Sunday.  It made the rec list.  I'd say there has been news on Afghanistan, and it hasn't all been good news.

          •  So what's this diary complaining about? There's (0+ / 0-)

            your coverage! Nobody is making sense here. I said if anything bad was going on it would be in the press. Then you show me something bad in the press right where I said you would find it. Then you say I'm the one who is uninformed.

            •  well, you do keep claiming that (0+ / 0-)

              you haven't heard anything bad in the news about Afghanistan, so I showed you something from the news.  You also continue to claim that MoT is accusing Obama of covering facts about the war up, which he didn't.  He said the media is failing to do its job in giving the wars the accurate coverage they need.

              •  Then we're satisfied the news is covering the war (0+ / 0-)

                and the diary is all wet. That's my point. When I said I haven't read anything bad about Afghanistan it was in terms of bad for America's troops. That's what this diary was about. Specifically:

                America needs to see these bodies coming home

                Your clip

                An errant American rocket strike on Sunday hit a compound crowded with Afghan civilians in the last Taliban stronghold in Helmand Province, killing at least 10 people, including 5 children, military officials said.

                I don't think you and the diary are talking about the same thing.

        •  Neither (3+ / 0-)
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          I'll make up my own mind and then decide based on the facts available to me, and I will change my mind as matters change, depending on the facts.

          But to say this within 2 years of the Great Depression 2.0 and the Iraq war crime debacle is more than I can swallow with a shot of Jack

          No news is good news. If it was bad stuff it would be plastered all over the place. If you see nothing and hear nothing, it means everything is under control.

          Very respectfully, but I couldn't disagree more

          "They can't remain comfortable in their ignorance. That has to change or the wars won't stop." ~ Kossack ontheleftcoast

          by MinistryOfTruth on Tue Feb 16, 2010 at 11:16:34 PM PST

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      •   At the risk of being obsessive I think that (3+ / 0-)
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        Americas economy is now tied so tightly to defense spending and warring that Obama discovered just how bad things could get if he cut the wars off.

        Do you really think it is a mystery why the republicans who are representing many red states are pro defense and happy to jingoistically cheer any war. They have the largest number of defense contractors.. For petes sake look at that nit who held up confirmations trying to blackmail Obama to let him have a contract for his state.

        As for the blue dogs they aren't paying for much of what the government provides and they are trying to get more with paying less (dumping the load on the middle class and the blue states)... they too are tied to defense industry and now the private army industry. Private Soldiers without rules or ethics or honor.

        There is money to made in killing and the worlds population has grown so large that many in the west are adopting a "lets thin em out" attitude. Heck even the health insurance industry is into that idea.

        I have read several things today about the expected, by many, financial crisis coming this summer and I fear that we  will fall back into brutal right wing genocidal crapola. Do you think that maybe this is not the time to cut spending and what employment opportunities will the soldiers come back to.

        I want these INVASIONS over.. they are a national shame and history will judge the US harshly. But I am afraid that there is more going on here than meets the eye.

        Some days are so bad information wise I fall into a downward spiral.

        Fear is the Mind Killer

        by boophus on Tue Feb 16, 2010 at 10:17:04 PM PST

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        •  Your argument assumes that the only spending (2+ / 0-)
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          that can be done to help the economy is war spending.

          That's just not true.

          Americas economy is now tied so tightly to defense spending and warring that Obama discovered just how bad things could get if he cut the wars off.

          ...Do you think that maybe this is not the time to cut spending and what employment opportunities will the soldiers come back to.

          If you're worried about jobs - there's lots of other things you could spend the same money on and get the same number of jobs (even more jobs).

          The crooks are leaving have left office, unprosecuted and scot-free fully funded, thanks SCOTUS.

          by BentLiberal on Tue Feb 16, 2010 at 10:21:47 PM PST

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          •  You are right and the hope is that we can (1+ / 0-)
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            move the spending to those areas where we desperately need the money to go. But HOW FAST can that be done? Seriously everything is SO BIG that it moves like a slug. Squishy and subject to injury if pushed too roughly.

            I was an anti war protester in the Vietnam era before I joined the Air Force.I have been upset about the waste for decades when it goes to things meant to be wasted or destroyed. Then Reagan increased the defense budget so hugely and doubled my taxes ... I was outraged and discouraged by the blind stupidity of doing this.

            Then one day I asked myself WHY is this happening? Why do so many support this spending that is in effect pouring money into a black hole. I looked to where people who most supported defense spending and the candidates they vote for... In mystery stories the detective frequently follow the money. Sure the corporations are getting money but why the votes? MONEY and jobs.

            The problem is that unless we change this we are going to sink into third world status because we will have poured all our wealth (which is stored human energy) into the ground instead of into education, infrastructure, improved utility deliveries and sources, research to develop new industries, space exploration & colonies, environmental preservation (not pocket museums but a living healthy environment),citizen health (a healthy population has more energy to produce more)...

            Fear is the Mind Killer

            by boophus on Wed Feb 17, 2010 at 12:29:58 PM PST

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        •  Agreed, the MIC is the only force greater in our (1+ / 0-)
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          economy than Wall St and the Health Insurers.

          This says it very well, though I am not sure if that is correct, but I consider it a very good educated guess

          At the risk of being obsessive I think that Americas economy is now tied so tightly to defense spending and warring that Obama discovered just how bad things could get if he cut the wars off.

          "They can't remain comfortable in their ignorance. That has to change or the wars won't stop." ~ Kossack ontheleftcoast

          by MinistryOfTruth on Tue Feb 16, 2010 at 10:45:43 PM PST

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    •  That's not how to encourage good government. (1+ / 0-)
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      What's all the fuss? He would tell us if anything bad was going on.

      The crooks are leaving have left office, unprosecuted and scot-free fully funded, thanks SCOTUS.

      by BentLiberal on Tue Feb 16, 2010 at 10:15:49 PM PST

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    •  Is this snark? (1+ / 0-)
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      It's snark, right?

  •  But they (3+ / 0-)

    are being covered.

    Why, just this evening, I heard an embedded "reporter" tell NPR that thousands of American troops had almost succeeded in capturing all 24 (or is it 25?) of the Taliban who are still holding out with "fierce resistance" in an Afghan city.

    Then, the program segued into some other kind of happy talk.

    If men could get pregnant, abortion would be a sacrament.--A Boston cabbie, to Gloria Steinem, in the 1970s

    by Mnemosyne on Tue Feb 16, 2010 at 09:57:42 PM PST

    •  An entire two dozen bad guys? (0+ / 0-)

      See, that doesn't require the US army, it requires Clint Eastwood or Bruce Lee.

      If we are spending 100 million per terrorist we are getting robbed, and America should know that. If not, they should know that too.

      A perfect example, Mnemosyne. Thanks

      "Politics isn't about big money or power games; it's about the improvement of people's lives" ~ The Late Sen. Paul Wellstone

      by MinistryOfTruth on Tue Feb 16, 2010 at 10:01:24 PM PST

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      •  The robbing is inevitable (0+ / 0-)

        we might as well get a few dozen "bad guys" in exchange.

        (Notice that we haven't dropped any bombs on the King of Arabia... he must be a good guy, no?)

        In this age of falseness, only howls of agony ring true.

        by Paul Goodman on Tue Feb 16, 2010 at 10:56:29 PM PST

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  •  Here's something just as fruitful: (1+ / 0-)
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    I DEMAND the Democrats get a spine and sack up.

    I DEMAND Rahm Emmanuel step down.

    -7.88, -6.72. "Wherever law ends, tyranny begins."--John Locke

    by caseynm on Tue Feb 16, 2010 at 10:12:05 PM PST

    •  LOL! (0+ / 0-)

      Dream Big, Amen.

      Agreed on the first, and I think David Plouffe should replace Rahm Emanuel starting 5 minutes after Rahm cleans out his desk.

      I'm not a fan of Rahm, and, being a NYer, you only need to tell me to go F$%# myself once until I understand where we stand

      "Politics isn't about big money or power games; it's about the improvement of people's lives" ~ The Late Sen. Paul Wellstone

      by MinistryOfTruth on Tue Feb 16, 2010 at 10:19:59 PM PST

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  •  Not going to happen (1+ / 0-)
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    The American newspaper industry is in freefall.

    Thousands have been laid off and thousands more will be laid off, including from AP.

    In the face of that, very few news organizations are going to shell out the massive amounts of money it takes to cover a war. Supplies, security, facilities, equipment, salaries, etc. etc. are huge expenses.

    In an age when newspapers are looking for every place to save a dime, Iraq and Afghanistan are easy places to cut and save a bundle.

  •  zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz (2+ / 0-)
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    We are at war? who knew.

  •  if you answered "meh" (0+ / 0-)

    you are not an American.

  •  Wars are like earthquakes for these countries (1+ / 0-)
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    Instead of a natural disaster causing a lot of people to die, be maimed and displaced, war is a deliberate man-made disaster.

    However, there are no fundraisers for the survivors, because no one sees their suffering.

    It's outrageous that instead of helping people, we are bombing them.  Just horrible.  

    Thank you, MoT, for demanding that the American people have the wool pulled off from their eyes to see what is being done in their names and with their taxes.

    Information is the currency of democracy. ~Thomas Jefferson

    by CIndyCasella on Tue Feb 16, 2010 at 10:41:33 PM PST

    •  Well stated. (1+ / 0-)
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      war is a deliberate man-made disaster.

      Shock Doctrine foreign policy. It hasn't let down at all, in fact, in the last year it has gone into overdrive

      "They can't remain comfortable in their ignorance. That has to change or the wars won't stop." ~ Kossack ontheleftcoast

      by MinistryOfTruth on Tue Feb 16, 2010 at 10:47:51 PM PST

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  •  Personal Observation Here... (0+ / 0-)

    those Chinese made "support the troops" ribbons and stickers have all but disappeared around here since 2008.

    -8.00, -8.26 "Fascism is capitalism plus murder." - Upton Sinclair

    by djMikulec on Tue Feb 16, 2010 at 10:48:17 PM PST

  •  If your clever enough to Google The Art of War... (0+ / 0-)

    ...and quote it out of context, you should be clever enough to Google daily coverage of the fight.  Of course, you'll find most of it boring and repetitive for two reasons.  

    1. There aren't enough journalists to cover everything competing for the label 'significant action.'
    1. Most SIGACTs themselves are not newsworthy.

    With few exceptions, wars tend to be long stretches of uneventfulness with brief periods of furious action interspersed.  This was surely Sun Wu's experience, as he lived and fought in a two and a half century period of China's history marked by nearly continuous warfare.  His country, Wu, had been at war with its neighbor, Chu, for fifty years.  The two passages which your source butchers come from the second chapter, titled 作戰 (zuò zhàn), which better translates approximate as "conduct of military operations" in today's English (or "combat" in the vernacular).  The chapter deals with Sun's observations on how to use speed and the resources of the enemy's frontier and homeland to bring a campaign to a successful conclusion.  The Art of War as a whole barely touches on the nature and course of conflict in general; it is a prescriptive work with his king and his country's fighters as the audience in mind that just so happens to have operational applications today.

    Oppose the fight if you must, but spare us the hysterical premise that such opposition is well grounded due to your unease with the general disinterest in the day to day events of the conflict.  If you have any such interest yourself, I'd love to see you commit to a daily diary.

    •  the hysterical premise? (1+ / 0-)
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      Oppose the fight if you must, but spare us the hysterical premise that such opposition is well grounded due to your unease with the general disinterest in the day to day events of the conflict.  If you have any such interest yourself, I'd love to see you commit to a daily diary.

      I will, here and now. I'll take Saturdays, YOU take a day, revprez, and we'll find others to split up the other days. Put your money where you mouth is, I will.

      I just suggested a series upthread, you are welcome to join in if I can get it off the ground.

      But as for quoting Sun Tzu out of context and using the google, I am hoping to create awareness of the lack of coverage on this matter and encourage others who do cover it in the traditional media to do so, plus a dash of rant. As for the context of the Sun Tzu quotes I had chosen, I feel they are appropriate for all ages, don't you?

      "They can't remain comfortable in their ignorance. That has to change or the wars won't stop." ~ Kossack ontheleftcoast

      by MinistryOfTruth on Tue Feb 16, 2010 at 10:57:59 PM PST

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      •  I think you misunderstood... (1+ / 0-)
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        ...I'm not interested in reading or writing about the day to day conduct of a war anymore than I'm interested in reading or writing about the day to day routine of my work.  There are very few people--mostly suffering from Asperger's--who can sustain such a narrow interest in minutiae over time, including the men and women who actually blog their service.  I'm satisfied with the weekly or even monthly digest; I see no value in getting lost in the weeds for the sake of making a political point.

        A quote taken out of context to mean whatever you want is nothing more than truism, and in this particular case I think its a dangerous one.  Part of the reason we're in the mess we're in now is because of a persistent belief in a 'short victorious war.'  It's not the first time people have relied on snippets from sages to propose some magical form of military genius, and it clouds the reality that wars are historically long, drawn out affairs regardless of how decisive they are.  A people may not always have the option of choosing not to fight, or would we ask resistance movements to lay down their arms because they have no hope of winning a speedy, decisive campaign?

        •  no value in getting lost in the weeds (0+ / 0-)

          that is where war is fought.

          I am tired of only seeing the reports of our K.I.A. men and women on page 21 of the local paper or in the IGTNT diaries here at DKos.

          I am tired of seeing our country forget to support our troops except on bumper stickers and at NFTT here at DKos.

          If it were not for the internet I would get almost ZERO war news, and the average American gets much less than that.

          My new sig will finish my thoughts

          "They can't remain comfortable in their ignorance. That has to change or the wars won't stop." ~ Kossack ontheleftcoast

          by MinistryOfTruth on Tue Feb 16, 2010 at 11:40:07 PM PST

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    •  Apples and Oranges (0+ / 0-)

      The Art of War may have the same principles underlying for the different eras, but the operational and strategic frameworks are different, maybe?

      Taking aside that you are arguing a separate point from the diarist, the diarist makes a somewhat valid point that our vastly superior military from that of the enemy should not be taking quite so long to do the job, although land wars in Asia are not so easily won, (although I'm no soldier or even a scholar by any means, so I'm just guessing here.)

      •  Well... (0+ / 0-)

        The Art of War may have the same principles underlying for the different eras, but the operational and strategic frameworks are different, maybe?

        My point is that Sun deals with what you might call operational art.  In the chapter cited, he's concerned with a campaign's execution, not the campaign (or strategy) itself.  The diarist takes the quote to make a larger point about the nature of war, which is a wholly different subject.

        Taking aside that you are arguing a separate point from the diarist, the diarist makes a somewhat valid point that our vastly superior military from that of the enemy should not be taking quite so long to do the job, although land wars in Asia are not so easily won, (although I'm no soldier or even a scholar by any means, so I'm just guessing here.)

        As I pointed out to MinistryOfTruth, there is a dangerous belief in the so-called "short, victorious war."  Does it happen?  Yes, and even by design occasionally.  Such speediness almost never occurs in small wars, however. The force multipliers the Coalition forces bring to the field only go so far overcoming friction.  Likewise, war follows a course that is frequently mundane with brief interjections of extraordinary violence.  At some point, a news organization has to weigh the value of reporting on the company mess with other matters.

  •  There was a "gentlemen's" agreement (0+ / 0-)

    to take the spot light off of disturbing (read radicalizing) images

    as with Haiti.

    You think you are free? You're not.

    The aristocracy has worked it's ass off to undo the damage of WWI and WWII. Their number one weapon? Taboo.

    In this age of falseness, only howls of agony ring true.

    by Paul Goodman on Tue Feb 16, 2010 at 10:53:53 PM PST

  •  NY Times coveage is excellent. NPR's too. (0+ / 0-)

    Not sure where you've been but start there for good coverage.

    Recent Afghan offensive has been front page on NYT for days running with many side articles on related topics.

    And please spare us the Sun Tzu quotes, it was quite the fashion years ago but, as one commenter has already noted, the people who quote him never read it or understood it.

    •  I am talking daily coverage the way one ex Gov of (0+ / 0-)

      Alaska commands.

      And yes, some people don't dig Sun Tzu. How tiresome the old wisdom must be.

      NYT doesn't do a bad job when called upon, but I have noticed, as you have I am sure, that the coverage is no drumbeat as it was going in to Iraq as it is climbing out of it, or into somewhere else, and so on.

      My job is to demand MORE and BETTER coverage. Why not? I don't see anyone else doing it, and people ARE dying. I think that is very important.

      "They can't remain comfortable in their ignorance. That has to change or the wars won't stop." ~ Kossack ontheleftcoast

      by MinistryOfTruth on Tue Feb 16, 2010 at 11:06:09 PM PST

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  •  Did the media cover the riots in Greece? (1+ / 0-)
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    If the banks crash again and need to be bailed out, do you think New Yorkers will be so kind as to just blow a few doors off some buildings? People I meet in my line of work - ordinary people in neighborhoods throughout NYC - are angry.

    They only call it class war when we fight back! ht: buhdydharma

    by ezdidit on Tue Feb 16, 2010 at 11:16:46 PM PST

  •  Embedding reporters was the cleverest (1+ / 0-)
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    thing they ever came up with.

    It ensured they saw nothing at all.

    Why do you think it has become so popular now

    Viva the just war!!!

    Personally I'm sick of

    1] Politicians

    2] The media in general

    3] Republicans

    4] Democrats

    As long as its our party's war its a fine war

    Yuck.

    Oh no, the dead have risen and they're voting Republican. - Lisa Simpson

    by LaFeminista on Tue Feb 16, 2010 at 11:29:58 PM PST

  •  But, we're kicking ass! Al Kayda is just (1+ / 0-)
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    about toast. The new Obama surge appears to be working. Why start covering the war now?? Okay, maybe a couple reporters. I'm much less concerned with whether or not the war is being covered than why we're still there at all.

  •  Oh, like wow, (0+ / 0-)

    if there was war coverage then young people might start having big get-togethers like this and screwing things up.

    Sleep, sleeeeep, sleeeeeeeeep.

  •  Lara Logan on on 60 Minutes has done some very (1+ / 0-)
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    good reporting.

    1/31/2010
    "The Quiet Professionals

    60 Minutes spent over two months with a Green Beret unit as they trained a group of Afghan soldiers and then went into battle with them against the Taliban. Lara Logan reports."


    Watch CBS News Videos Online

    •  Wow I just click and watch some war (0+ / 0-)

      I can interact and blog at the same time. Uh oh I am getting bored, hungry, distracted by the rest of life passing me by or I just want to watch something more entertaining to get that nice numb feeling again.

      That is what we really are but our egos don't let us admit it. We suppose to be special and enlightened but it is those who are convinced they are ordinary who will see this bit of truth the easiest.

      Oh yeah I have to clear my conscience, support the troops they are great so so brave. It's true but my words are hollow now we said it so often, we'll just wait until our government feels they spent enough resources and decide to go home. I am not signing up, I don't even think it makes sense.

      $2 million a year per soldier, $400 per gallon of gas, I would like to see more reporting on that. Hell what else are we wasting money on, I figure ratings on that would actually be good.

  •  Gotta have a war going on somewhere (0+ / 0-)

    How else can we justify supporting the military industrial congressional complex while our country is in a depression?

    It's a business decision.

  •  Don't you mean "We demand media coverage..." (0+ / 0-)

    I, I, I, I = yawn.

    Human kindness has never weakened the stamina or softened the fiber of a free people. A nation does not have to be cruel to be tough. - Franklin D. Roosevelt

    by number six on Wed Feb 17, 2010 at 12:20:34 AM PST

  •  Rule #1... (1+ / 0-)
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    ...anyone calling him- or herself an "embedded" journalist isn't a journalist.

    The best reporting in English on both wars is being done by a few people who have focused on Central Asia for years, among them American Jeremy Scahill at http://rebelreports.com/ and Patrick Cockburn, an Irish guy who has been the senior Middle East correspondent for the Financial Times and the London Independent since the late 70's. His work appears regularly at Counterpunch.

    "The Nobel Peace Prize committee might well have made truly worthy choices, prominent among them Afghan activist Malalai Joya." ---Noam Chomsky

    by mojada on Wed Feb 17, 2010 at 12:24:00 AM PST

  •  Boring (0+ / 0-)

    There aren't even many war diaries on DailyKos.  Why should the traditional media waste their resources on stories no one cares about?

  •  The reason is simple (0+ / 0-)

    This is how government keep something that is unpopular from being protested too much.  As long as most people don't see it, hear about it, read about it, they just don't care about it.

    That's why Bush wouldn't permit pictures of caskets returning from Iraq.  It had nothing to do with the families.

    The military learned their PR lessons from Vietnam.  They are getting quite skillful at keeping the public at bay with their never ending wars.

    The shortest distance between two points is never a straight line.

    by noofsh on Wed Feb 17, 2010 at 02:55:17 AM PST

  •  There has to be war (0+ / 0-)

    "Of all the enemies of public liberty, war is perhaps the most to be dreaded, because it comprises and develops the germ of every other. War is the parent of armies. From these proceed debts and taxes. And armies, debts and taxes are the known instruments for bringing the many under the dominion of the few....No nation could preserve its freedom in the midst of continual warfare."  

    James Madison

    Continual war is just one more way they choke off the liberty we once had.  

    "The Universe is change; our life is what our thoughts make it." Marcus Aurelius

    by Mosquito Pilot on Wed Feb 17, 2010 at 03:48:31 AM PST

  •  We've gotta make damned sure (0+ / 0-)

    that Al-Jazeera, the BBC, and, hey, even the CBC (Canadian Broadcasting) are easily available to everyone in the US because they ALL cover our wars more or less on a daily basis.  We can no longer continue to allow Pravda, Inc. (a.k.a. the MSM) to control the information that gets onto the airwaves in the US.  It's no wonder that, one way or another, all those networks have been unable to find berths on ANY satellite platform in the US.  

    -7.13 / -6.97 "The people never give up their liberties but under some delusion." -- Edmund Burke

    by GulfExpat on Wed Feb 17, 2010 at 03:52:45 AM PST

  •  they didn't cover the false buildups (0+ / 0-)

    why would they cover the actual fighting?

    your empire is dying.

    find a new one.  or better yet, learn to garden.

    The bear and the rabbit will never agree on how dangerous a dog is.

    by fromer on Wed Feb 17, 2010 at 04:04:29 AM PST

  •  They learned for Vietnam. (0+ / 0-)

    Keep the blood and guts off the boob tube, and the people don't riot in the streets.
    They still seethe because they were denied their Nam playground.

    St. Ronnie was an asshole.

    by manwithnoname on Wed Feb 17, 2010 at 04:07:33 AM PST

  •  Why we don't have that much war coverage (0+ / 0-)
    A lot of things that may or may not be worthwhile and definitely have a high cost (financial, human, whatever) are quite boring, especially on a day-after-day basis.  If you combine the extreme tedium of constant patrols and only occasional engagements, with the danger associated with any kind of actual reporting in wartime, it's no surprise that you don't see more on TV. I think this suits our government just fine, but that shouldn't be confused with an actual conspiracy of silence.

    Enrich your life with adverbs!

    by Rich in PA on Wed Feb 17, 2010 at 04:46:02 AM PST

  •  If the wars had (0+ / 0-)

    been covered daily going back to the earliest days of the presidential campaign, Dennis Kucnich would be president right now, Howard Dean would be the health Czar in charge of setting up universal healthcare, and Paul Krugman would be redesigning the US economy and ushering in a New Deal for the 21st century.  

    I take political action every day. I teach.

    by jbfunk on Wed Feb 17, 2010 at 05:21:30 AM PST

  •  Consider the near total ignoring of milblog (0+ / 0-)

    references on this site, and the failure to acknowledge that many of them offer in-depth reporting and not cheerleading for war in general. Add to that (if one's paying attention) the relatively frequent MSM reporting on one or another activity at the fronts, and one conclusion seems pretty clear: the diarist and many commenters are not as concerned with informing the public objectively as to the wars' conduct/progress as with finding reporting that supports their POV. This passage supports that conclusion:

    Dear media, especially Keith Olbermann, Rachel Maddow, Thom Hartmann and all the other journalists who opposed these wars when they were mismanaged and forgotten, please, tell America what is happening.

  •  Some things which should be covered (0+ / 0-)
    1. Troop levels in Iraq are now below 100,000 for the first time since 2003.
    1. Troop levels in Afghanistan are now at their highest level ever.
    1. The Taliban is in tactical retreat from our latest offensive.
    1. We have captured a Taliban biggie (that got some coverage)
    1. Civilian casualties in Afghanistan are still high.
    1. Iraq was never pacified and isn't now. All hell will break loose sooner or later. Anyone who thinks we were ever in control of Iraq - why was the Kirkuk question never answered?
    1. The strain on the budget from these wars takes several forms:

    a) Combat pay
    b) Depletion of consumables
    c) The expense of keeping an army in the field
    d) The medical costs for the wounded - some of whom will require care for decades

    1. Bush never fought either war like he intended to win it. Why not?
    1. The endemic corruption of the Karzai administration.
    1. The utter corruption of the Al Maliki administration.
    1. The role being played by contractors in both theaters
    1. The corruption of the Bush administration in the occupation of Iraq

    In theory, there is no difference between theory and practice; but in practice, there always is a difference. - Yogi Berra

    by blue aardvark on Wed Feb 17, 2010 at 10:12:12 AM PST

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