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Limbaugh today crossed into extremely dangerous territory. Was his language intentional, a dog-whistle to his Dittoheads? It is difficult to believe that he did not know what radio programs he was quoting when he called Obama and "the Leftists" "cockroaches."

Limbaugh began, as he does on so many days, by essentially leveling a charge of treason against the President of the United States. Obama, he said, has shocked everyone, because they can't believe that a President would actually want to do what Obama is attempting: to destroy this country's economic system, and overturn Capitalism.

But then Limbaugh talked about the real problem:

"Those people never ...the Obamas of the World, the Leftists, they never go away. They never give you a sense that they've ever been beaten. So it's an ongoing, never-ending battle. It's very rare that you get to claim victory, and I  think that's very frustrating to people. At some point, you want to be able to say you've won - if not the war, you want to be able to say you've won the battle. But the moment you win the battle, and you know you've won - the war continues. Because these people, they're like cockroaches, they just keep coming back..."

If you were alive and sentient in 1994, as Limbaugh was, there is one immediate association you think of when you hear a radio personality call the "other side" "cockroaches" - you think of the Rwandan massacre. that is the word that Hutu radio used for months before the massacres to dehumanize the Tutsis, who would become the victims of mass murder perpetrated by their fellow citizens.

In 1993-94, Radio Télévision Libre des Mille Collines was a Rwandan radio station which appealed to the Hutu population, with its combination of bawdy humor, popular Zairean music and racist propaganda against the Tutsi. "It frequently referred to Tutsis as "cockroaches" (example: "You [Tutsis] are cockroaches! We will kill you!"). The station was especially popular among young people, who made up the majority of the Interahamwe militia, which carried out the slaughter. Once the massacres started, RTLM radio actually broadcast the location of groups of fleeing Tutsis, so that the Interahamwe could track them down and machete them.

Repeatedly, announcers at RTLM referred to the Tutsi "cockroaches," reducing them to creatures less than human, disgusting and disease-ridden vermin. "A cockroach gives birth to a cockroach... the history of Rwanda shows us clearly that a Tutsi always stays exactly the same, that he has never changed." Human Beings are hard to kill, hard to hate, hard to eliminate, but the "Invenzi" were Tutsi cockroaches, and needed to be stepped on and crushed. Their elimination from the Earth would actually be a service to humanity.

The Hutu extremists spent months preparing their tribesmen for the elimination of the Tutsi. The Rwandan-French magazine Kangura, begun in 1990, was preaching extermination of the Tutsi for three years before the first machete blow was struck. In December 1993, the cover featured a picture of a machete, with the legend:"Which weapons are we going to use to beat the cockroaches for good?" At that point, the Hutu were so used to hearing the fellow citizens referred to as "cockroaches" that extermination of the pests gave them no pause. Hutu machetes rained down on the heads of thousands and thousands of their countrymen, whom they have been inculcated to hate.

Over 800,000 people - perhaps as many as a million - were brutally slaughtered over a 100-day period beginning in April 1004. They had been inflamed by voices on the radio, who then directed the killings. Approximately 20% of the population of Rwanda was exterminated.

It's 18 years later. Perhaps Limbaugh believes that we have forgotten the Rwandan genocide, and the primary function of dehumanizing language in that horror. Perhaps he thinks that we won't recognize that his own language echoes the genocidal encouragements of RTLM.

Limbaugh speaks of a "war" against "the Leftists," who, like cockroaches, will simply not go away, even after you have beaten them.  "They just keep on coming back." El Rushbo offers no suggestions for ways in which these Leftist pests may be eradicated. But his diatribe today makes it clear that beating them at the ballot box is not sufficient to eliminate them. After all, like cockroaches, "they just keep coming back."

This is a period when the Plutocrats, and their GOP lackeys, are expending every last bit of capital to defeat Obama and the "Leftists" (which is anyone who stands in opposition to them). The stakes have never been higher. Now that they have revealed their true natures - and their real goal, which is the elimination of America's middle class - they are truly going for broke.

Is Limbaugh's exterminationist rhetoric designed to prepare his listeners for a final attack against the forces of Liberalism? If only one "Leftist cockroach" is "exterminated" because of Limbaugh's words, he may still be held accountable, even if it takes 16 years.

That is how long it took before RTLM announcer Valerie Bemeriki was convicted by a court in Rwanda, and sentenced to life imprisonment for her role in inciting genocidal acts. It was she who said: "these Tutsi rebels... They are cockroaches. .. We will squash the infestation. This is RTLM, Hutu power radio."  The right to free speech does not include the right to incite others to  acts of violence.

Originally posted to Louise on Tue Mar 01, 2011 at 11:08 PM PST.

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  •  well when you are able (59+ / 0-)

    to convince the people that the "enemys" are less then humans (roaches)
    it is much easyer to convince them that they dont deserve a human treatment or human rights.
    but here from germany i cant tell iif it is rush usual screaming or if he really crossed the rubicon?

  •  Gregor Hamsa, anyone? (20+ / 0-)

    Sorry, I'm a huge fan of Kafka and Vaclav Havel--whom I had the great honor to step on his foot once at the Czech-Austrian Ball in Prague. He was very nice: in typical Havel humor, he said--in German--"Don't worry kiddo, I can't dance either".

    Don't f*ck with my civil rights. Regards, a gay guy.

    by commonmass on Tue Mar 01, 2011 at 11:21:21 PM PST

  •  and unfortunately the same comment was being (24+ / 0-)

    uprated here today.....

    I guess writing Koch-roaches makes it ok or something.........though a few of us did say no

    Vaya con Dios Don Alejo
    I want to die a slave to principles. Not to men.
    Emiliano Zapata

    by buddabelly on Tue Mar 01, 2011 at 11:26:27 PM PST

    •  Awesome sig line. (3+ / 0-)
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      Great quote. Here's another: "To each according to his abilities, to each according to his need".

      Don't f*ck with my civil rights. Regards, a gay guy.

      by commonmass on Tue Mar 01, 2011 at 11:31:12 PM PST

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    •  I'm not fan of the KOCH's but I agree. It's easier (7+ / 0-)

      to come up with putdowns when you rhyme it with "rock" instead of "coke". But that brings us down to their level. Need to rise above it. Plenty of ways to shame/shun them without resorting to horrible name calling.  And I have been guilty myself.

      We are all cheeseheads now. We stand with Wisconsin!

      by mrsgoo on Tue Mar 01, 2011 at 11:32:25 PM PST

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      •  nope, I've got two for you: (14+ / 0-)

        The Koches themselves are "Koch-fiends," with the correct name pronunciation as "coke fiends," people who are addicted to a brain-rotting drug that's also known as an upper-class plaything.  And the Koches are nothing else if not fiends.

        And the Kochs' supportes are "Koch-sniffers," ("coke sniffers") as in, casual abusers, with the added double meaning of "ass-kissers with their noses planted firmly in Koch's butt."

        So the Koches are Koch-fiends, and Walker is a Koch-sniffer.  

        Works for me.

        •  KOCHSUCKER works for me. (9+ / 0-)

          You have to fight back with every tool you have. American Conservatives have mutated into full blown Leninists who will do anything to get their way. You have to fight their fire with fire. Saying "Please and Thank You" will led to your annihilation!

          •  And we only need to look back... (4+ / 0-)
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            ...at all the examples throughout history where childish name-calling has resulted in social progress.  Like, for instance... um... well, there was... hmm... help me out here, someone?

            •  Read "Common Sense" recently ??? (3+ / 0-)
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              "Worm" is the mildest of it.

              This is the work that fired up the public and got us the Declaration of Independence in July, 1776, before the British fleet arrived and took New York.

              No "Common Sense," no United States of America as it happened.

              Damning George III was carried out in language any child on a school yard would understand.

              Worked just fine.

              Financial capitalism's criminals + Angry White Males + KKK wannabes + Personality Disorder delusionals + George Will =EQ= The GOPer Base

              by vets74 on Wed Mar 02, 2011 at 09:38:49 AM PST

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            •  child-ishness is always better than adult-ery... (2+ / 0-)
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              ... and in any case it does provide a rallying point, as with the name-calling and caricatured posters in Allied propaganda against Hitler during WW2.  

              Not that calling Hitler names was what drove him to kill himself in his bunker, but that it was an integral part of the campaign to psych up American and Allied soldiers and civilians for the fight.  And in the end, we won.  And that was a big step forward in social progress compared to what might have happened otherwise.  

              I suppose you could say that's a pretty big example.  

          •  Bingo, hurrah, yes, wow, excelsior !!! (2+ / 0-)
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            Financial capitalism's criminals + Angry White Males + KKK wannabes + Personality Disorder delusionals + George Will =EQ= The GOPer Base

            by vets74 on Wed Mar 02, 2011 at 07:36:17 AM PST

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          •  yeah except... (1+ / 0-)
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            .... One, it depends on an incorrect pronunciation of their name, which doesn't help us because we want people to associate correctly both the visual spelling and the spoken pronunciation.   And two, it could be taken as a slur on gay folks, which, speaking as one, I can tell you that any association with Koch is demeaning.  

            Re. conservatives as Leninists: ooh, good one; that deserves a diary, doing the comparison in detail.  

            And I do agree we have to fight fire with fire, and that playing nicey-nice with poisonous snakes is a good way to exit the gene pool.  I'm constantly advocating gray ops around here for just that reason.  

          •  If you fight back with every tool you have (1+ / 0-)
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            you're no different than them.

            Will the revolution be easier if we HR each other a lot?

            by JesseCW on Wed Mar 02, 2011 at 10:36:31 AM PST

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        •  Being a partier of the early 80's - (1+ / 0-)
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          Koch-Whore works fine for me with Mr. Walker. And I am sorry to insult practitioners of the worlds oldest profession by including a republican male. It will be temporary.

          We are all cheeseheads now. We stand with Wisconsin!

          by mrsgoo on Wed Mar 02, 2011 at 09:25:49 PM PST

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    •  Kochroaches, or Koch-fiends & Koch-sniffers? (11+ / 0-)

      Speaking here as the author of the "stochastic terrorism" diary, about the way hate-talkers stir up lone wolves to commit violent acts.  

      A casual glance at the name "Koch" gives the incorrect impression that it's pronounced like "crotch" without the "r."  This is what gave rise to "Kochroaches."

      I think it's perfectly OK to call them "Kochroaches," just as long as we never cross the line that Hutu radio crossed when they said "You [Tutsis] are cockroaches! We will kill you!"

      It's one thing to call someone a creepy unsanitary little bug, especially if the basis of the comparison is their behavior rather than something immutable such as ethnicity.  It's another thing entirely to threaten to kill them, or incite others to do so, regardless of the rationale, with the usual statutory exceptions for self-defense.

      That said,  the problem with "Kochroaches" is that it perpetuates an incorrect pronunciation, when the correct pronunciation yields a delightfully effective put-down that works on at least four levels:  

      Koch-fiends.  

      a)  As in "coke-fiends," people who habitually snort cocaine, a drug that's both an upper-class plaything and a fast route to rotting one's brain.  

      b)  As in, the Koches are nothing if not fiends.  

      But this also works on two more levels:  
      Koch supporters instantly become Koch-sniffers.  

      a)  Koch (coke) sniffers are casual users, not bigtime addicts.

      b)  Last but by no means least, it suggests lackeys and minions, ass-kissers and brown-nosers, whose noses are firmly planted in Kochs' butts plural.  The kind of guy who wears Executive Climbers (expensive knee pads) to work and isn't ashamed of being a yes-tool with the climbing instincts of a drowning rat.

      Therefore, the Koches are Koch-fiends, and Walker is a Koch-sniffer.  Nice and symmetrical.  And unlike "Kochroaches," it preserves the correct pronunciation.

      Simple solutions, eh?

    •  There is a distinction in singling (11+ / 0-)

      out two billionaire plutocrats and calling them cockroaches, from painting an entire segment of the population as such.

      I have no problem with "Koch-roaches," personally.  They're hardly a candidate for persecution.

      •  Best comment on this issue. (0+ / 0-)

        It isn't about dehumanization and it isn't about pronunciation.  The term Kochroach is acceptable when used in reference to one of the infamous brothers while at the same time, the use of roach, or rat or other vermin is never acceptable in reference to an entire class of people based upon their classification for matters not within their control.  

        Vilifying and even dehumanizing the Koch brothers is justified by their choices and actions, not by their inclusion in any group, such as old white men or Republicans or grotesquely rich bastards. But it would never be permissible to refer to Republicans or Tea Partiers or Dittoheads as cockroaches and such usage should always be condemned.  

        The Kochs are criminals.  They just haven't been charged and convicted, yet.  The justice system must presume them innocent until proven guilty, but I don't.  

        "If you are going to tell people the truth, be funny or they will kill you." Billy Wilder 1906 - 2002

        by LeftOfYou on Wed Mar 02, 2011 at 11:47:01 AM PST

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        •  it was used in reference to supporters, not them (0+ / 0-)

          though in honesty dehumanization is not ok no matter the target.....

          or don't complain when they call us similar or worse.......

          Vaya con Dios Don Alejo
          I want to die a slave to principles. Not to men.
          Emiliano Zapata

          by buddabelly on Thu Mar 03, 2011 at 03:19:30 AM PST

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    •  Brought it up (9+ / 0-)

      When it was being uprated I did point out the Rwanda connection.

      I stick with Teabaggers since they came up with that term for themselves. Though I usually add to it: The right wing extremist teabagger and their Billionaire masters.

      FREEDOM ISN'T FREE: That's why we pay taxes. Read the PROGRESSIVE DEMOCRAT Newsletter

      by mole333 on Wed Mar 02, 2011 at 05:53:02 AM PST

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    •  comparing a blog comment or diary w/600 stations (4+ / 0-)

      which are coordinated by right wing think tanks specifically to propagandize america and are licensed to operate in the public interest (and broadcast his program when children can hear it, ha), with him protected by call screeners? and him talking about a philosophy/way of life/political ideology, etc. vs. politically active billionaires?

      there is no hypocrisy

      Progressives will lose all major messaging battles until they picket the limbaugh/hannity megastations and boycott those stations' local sponsors.

      by certainot on Wed Mar 02, 2011 at 06:03:58 AM PST

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      •  Sorry, no. (13+ / 0-)

        it doesn't matter whether one person reads it (and plenty more than that read DK, including people who are only looking for the most inflammatory and ill-considered comments they can find, the better to smear us all with them), or a million hear it on the radio.

        The Rwanda reference makes it unacceptable, ever again, to refer to human beings as cockroaches. Even if the people in question are two billionaire plutocrats. How long before it gets extended to people who support them (or more likely, people whom they support)? This usage is forever tainted with the stink of genocide. That's why Rush went there - don't you go there too.

        The only thing we have to fear is fear itself.

        by sidnora on Wed Mar 02, 2011 at 06:28:13 AM PST

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        •  i disagree (3+ / 0-)
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          we are in this mess because the left has made this false comparison and treated limbaugh like the guy on the corner soapbox, and commenting on an occasional outrage of his does not do it.

          you're comparing a corporate media monopoly of 1000 radio stations that reaches 50 mil a week with an often captive audience, which is dedicated to propaganda and threats and is coordinated from right wing think tanks, to someone sitting at a bar or computer or the guy on the corner soapbox.

          limbaugh's local sponsors need to be shamed until the only ones left are the ones that will tell you on the phone they think you're a cockaroach.

          Progressives will lose all major messaging battles until they picket the limbaugh/hannity megastations and boycott those stations' local sponsors.

          by certainot on Wed Mar 02, 2011 at 07:56:34 AM PST

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          •  I'm sorry, but (0+ / 0-)

            I think you may have misinterpreted my comment.

            My point wasn't that it's unacceptable for Rush to call us cockroaches. It was that it is equally unacceptable for us to call anyone, even the Kochs, cockroaches.

            I am not insensible to the fact that we have an ongoing RW propaganda problem in this country. Obviously we need to keep looking for ways to fight back against the noise machine; I agree with you about how big a problem it is.

            Sponsor boycotts are definitely the way to go attacking RW talk radio, but I admit to being at a loss when trying to formulate a strategy against Fox Noise. Murdoch has demonstrated repeatedly that he is willing to lose revenue indefinitely in order to advance his positions; currently, he airs Glenn Beck's TV show in the UK without sponsorship (I imagine they were unable to attract any advertisers there). Short of legislation, I don't know how you fight that. And it's pretty obvious that legislation is not forthcoming.

            The only thing we have to fear is fear itself.

            by sidnora on Fri Mar 04, 2011 at 06:31:56 AM PST

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        •  rwanda didn't happen because a rwandan called (3+ / 0-)
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          another rwandan a cockroach, it happened because one side had a giant megaphone.

          and that''s what we've had here in the US for 20 years, since reagan killed the fairness doctrine, and the main reason we're in this mess is because the left  has ignored that fact.

          i like the diary and it is important to point out this crap but limbaugh has been saying comparable things about many different groups of people and individuals in govt and out for 20 years. often it is coordinated with other talkers.

          but if the reaction and anger it generates is limited to a few comments on this blog about how it is his right to call us cockroaches, or it is horrible, or everybody does it, it will be business as usual.

          there is a difference when he says it from 600 ignored radio stations and the fact the left doesn't see that is why we are in this disaster.

          Progressives will lose all major messaging battles until they picket the limbaugh/hannity megastations and boycott those stations' local sponsors.

          by certainot on Wed Mar 02, 2011 at 08:15:30 AM PST

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          •  Takes two to tango (1+ / 0-)
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            it happened because one side had a giant megaphone.

            and that''s what we've had here in the US for 20 years, since reagan killed the fairness doctrine, and the main reason we're in this mess is because the left  has ignored that fact.

            After Reagan scrapped the Fairness Doctrine, Bill Clinton had 8 years to restore it, but deliberately chose not to do so. Obama will not even consider doing so.

            Who's side is he really on?

            Al Qeada is a faith-based initiative.

            by drewfromct on Wed Mar 02, 2011 at 08:54:33 AM PST

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            •  Whose side is he on? (1+ / 0-)
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              VClib

              Maybe the side of the 1st Amendment?

              •  unfortunately (2+ / 0-)
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                Louise, drewfromct

                a media monopoly for by and of the corporations gets the same free speech rights as the guy on the corner soapbox.

                Progressives will lose all major messaging battles until they picket the limbaugh/hannity megastations and boycott those stations' local sponsors.

                by certainot on Wed Mar 02, 2011 at 09:16:38 AM PST

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            •  who's side is obama on? kenya's of course. (2+ / 0-)
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              are you kidding?

              there are no two words that draw so much immediate and loud blowback than when someone prominent on the left mentions the two words "fairness doctrine".

              the main reason clinton couldn't do shit (and for eg. why we couldn't get single payer) is because of that radio monopoly and the nationwide outrage it can generate in a single day, with limbaugh leading the charge.

              maybe clinton could have done it but they were stupid about the radio. obama knows a new fairness doctrine is impossible.

              Progressives will lose all major messaging battles until they picket the limbaugh/hannity megastations and boycott those stations' local sponsors.

              by certainot on Wed Mar 02, 2011 at 09:13:31 AM PST

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              •  That's all the more reason (1+ / 0-)
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                there are no two words that draw so much immediate and loud blowback than when someone prominent on the left mentions the two words "fairness doctrine".

                to push hard for a restoration of the FD. It's long past time that Progressives go back on the offensive, and put the Wingnuts on fighting defense for a change. And on that note, it's also long past time that we set the agenda and have them reacting to us, rather than the other way around.

                the main reason clinton couldn't do shit (and for eg. why we couldn't get single payer) is because of that radio monopoly
                And the reason why the Wingnuts have a monopoly on radio is because of the demise of the FD. That's precisely why we need it back.
                obama knows a new fairness doctrine is impossible.
                Anything is impossible if you never bother to even try. I sure wish that the Wingnuts had more like you on their side. I can just hear them now: "Union busting is impossible! Massive tax breaks for the mega-rich are impossible! Endless wars based on lies are impossible!"  

                Why is it only Democrats who give up and surrender before even beginning to fight?

                Al Qeada is a faith-based initiative.

                by drewfromct on Wed Mar 02, 2011 at 11:04:52 AM PST

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                •  write a diary to push for a new Fairness Doctrine (0+ / 0-)

                  and see how many progressives and liberals tell you you're trying to limit free speech (and use right wing lies repeated on radio for 20 years) and you're full of shit.

                  we need a new FD but global warming wont wait that long-- see my sig for a quicker solution.

                  the left has to stop giving right wing talk radio a free speech free ride.

                  Progressives will lose all major messaging battles until they picket the limbaugh/hannity megastations and boycott those stations' local sponsors.

                  by certainot on Wed Mar 02, 2011 at 11:58:45 AM PST

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            •  drew - Obama not a FD fan (0+ / 0-)

              The Obama administration does not support a new Fairness Doctrine (FD). I am not sure a new FD would pass constitutional muster at this time. I was in the broadcase business during the old FD and I, along with many progressives here and in Congress, do not favor its return.  

              "let's talk about that"

              by VClib on Wed Mar 02, 2011 at 09:57:43 PM PST

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          •  Yeah, and the tiny megaphone that (3+ / 0-)
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            the White Power movement in America has when they call people "cockroaches" only gets a few score people murdered every year....so we shouldn't pay attention?

            It doesn't matter who is doing the name calling.

            "Plague", "Cockroach", this creates a climate of hatred and dehumanization that tells the intended audience that the targets of such language are fit for eradication.

            Start spitting that with any young men in particular in the audience, it's irrelevant how big your audience is.

            A kid I knew was stabbed to death because a couple of nazi skinheads thought he was gay.  They called him a "cock sucking leech".  The same term appeared the month before in a White Power 'zine they subscribed to, which had a circulation of less than 500.

            The megaphone may mean more lives are put at risk, but that's all.

            Will the revolution be easier if we HR each other a lot?

            by JesseCW on Wed Mar 02, 2011 at 10:44:34 AM PST

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            •  my point is (0+ / 0-)

              i will still call republicans a lot worse than cockroaches for what they've done to this country through their ignorance and greed but few will hear it. those with giant microphones on public airwaves must not continue to get a free speech free ride.

              we can decide on an individual basis how we respond to hate speech and make a difference or not but if the left keeps getting into free speech arguments with itself and trolls and equating individual free speech rights with that of a large scale coordinated corporate political propaganda operation that operation will keep chugging along.

              i think the dem party and the left orgs are STUPID for not funding a searchable transcript database of all major RW local and national talkers so not only can their regular hate be used to shame their sponsors but their coordination and effectiveness finally be exposed and analyzed so dems don't waste so much time analyzing in a radio free universe while getting trounced on a regular basis.

              Progressives will lose all major messaging battles until they picket the limbaugh/hannity megastations and boycott those stations' local sponsors.

              by certainot on Wed Mar 02, 2011 at 11:52:41 AM PST

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              •  You can decide to engage in hate speech (4+ / 0-)
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                if you like.

                That's your choice.  We still have a first ammendment, and if you want to shout out the kind of dehumanizing language that leads to some old Republican woman getting her head bashed in one night...you're free to do that.

                You're free to make excuses for yourself, too.

                But no one else is bound to buy them.

                I've lost friends to actions brought on by that kind of rhetoric, and I've been crippled by actions brought on by that kind of rhetoric, and it is not ok.

                The only thing you will ever achieve by trying to be more like Rush....is being more like Rush.

                Will the revolution be easier if we HR each other a lot?

                by JesseCW on Wed Mar 02, 2011 at 02:38:58 PM PST

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            •  you are very wrong (0+ / 0-)

              it does make a difference how big it is because  1000 unchallenged radio stations can make it acceptable.

              there is nothing more enabling to the skinheads and racists and bigots and mysogynists than limbaugh and hannity and the rest of that team blasting the entire country with that unchallenged hateful ignorant certitude.

              there will always be racists and homophobes and spittle-flecked jerks looking to beat someone up but if the local clear signal megastation where everyone goes to get their traffic an weather and also does the local high school or college or pro sports makes excuses and rationalizes that shit all day, protected by call screeners, it becomes acceptable.

              as i've said may times, if some asshole sets up a soapbox on the corner and calls your sister a whore and your father a thief all day and you just stick your fingers in your ears and walk by then pretty soon your neighbors will believe it and you will have to move.

              well, that's happening on a national scale and has been for 20 years, since reagan killed the fairness doctrine, and if liberals are going to keep giving limbaugh and sons a free speech free ride we're going to keep getting used and abused by a small minority.

              Progressives will lose all major messaging battles until they picket the limbaugh/hannity megastations and boycott those stations' local sponsors.

              by certainot on Wed Mar 02, 2011 at 08:49:34 PM PST

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        •  I agree, Sidnora (1+ / 0-)
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          A hugely influential radio personality, who essentially gives the marching orders to an entire political party, can never call the members of the opposing party "cockroaches" anymore.

          It is far too similar too the situation that unfolded in Rwanda.

          Democracy *means* Anti-Plutocracy. Democrats, be true to your Self and win!

          by Louise on Wed Mar 02, 2011 at 11:07:30 AM PST

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          •  yes, good, but then what? (0+ / 0-)

            the actions the left must begin to make sure we don't get any closer to the rwanda horror has nothing to do with what jerks will say at the bar or dinner table.

            allowing the limbaughs and the think tanks they work for a free speech free ride on 1000 radio stations every day is the problem.

            that problem cannot be fixed until the left recognize that the dominating size of the microphone, the coordinated mechanism, the unchallenged monopoly, protected by call screeners on public airwaves, is the problem.

            Progressives will lose all major messaging battles until they picket the limbaugh/hannity megastations and boycott those stations' local sponsors.

            by certainot on Wed Mar 02, 2011 at 12:10:50 PM PST

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            •  We recognize it (0+ / 0-)

              And have done so for years.

              The media is a corporate enterprise. It is there to make money. It does this by concentrating on the fights and the scores - as if it were sports by other means.

              Concentrating on how divided the citizenry is also serves the purposes of the Plutocrats, since it distracts the rest of us from their despoliations.

              How do we change it? I don't think we can. We have to use other means.

              F2F meetings, and constant work online, through Facebook and Twitter as well ... what else can you suggest?

              Because we have to deal with the situation we have, and what we likely face in 2012: a torrent of corporate money spent against the Democrats, a flood unlike anything the world has ever seen.

              Democracy *means* Anti-Plutocracy. Democrats, be true to your Self and win!

              by Louise on Wed Mar 02, 2011 at 12:34:22 PM PST

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              •  there is no evidence the left has recognized (0+ / 0-)

                the radio problem - i haven't seen any organized campaigns by the main organizations specifically targeting this problem.

                allowing the limbaughs and the think tanks they work for a free speech free ride on 1000 radio stations every day is the problem.

                Progressives will lose all major messaging battles until they picket the limbaugh/hannity megastations and boycott those stations' local sponsors.

                and that is my suggested solution.

                as for

                The media is a corporate enterprise. It is there to make money.

                this is ultimately true in but most progressives mistakenly believe the  talk radio monopoly is market driven and it's main business is selling the products advertized on its shows- it isn't.

                talk radio is not like other media.  this miscalculation leads to the faulty assumption that it it represents many more people than it does and gives the GOP that much more leverage.

                 it is ultimately a propaganda operation operated to war, deregulation, tax breaks, global warming denial, unqualified politicians and judges, and so on.

                Progressives will lose all major messaging battles until they picket the limbaugh/hannity megastations and boycott those stations' local sponsors.

                by certainot on Wed Mar 02, 2011 at 03:34:04 PM PST

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                •  Where have you been? (0+ / 0-)

                  This

                  i haven't seen any organized campaigns by the main organizations specifically targeting this problem.

                  must be because you haven't been looking. Are you not aware that there was an extremely effective boycott campaign against Glenn Beck, that caused almost all his advertisers to desert him? He is now supported by his gold shill friends and various penis enhancement products. His radio show is no longer aired in my city, having been dropped for low ratings (not for lack of advertising). His television show is aired in the UK with no advertising, because they can't attract any there at all.

                  There's plenty more that needs doing, of course, but this is a start, and it proves that we can do this if we want to. BTW, I think picketing radio stations is useless. Local sponsor boycotts are what works.

                  The only thing we have to fear is fear itself.

                  by sidnora on Fri Mar 04, 2011 at 06:17:51 AM PST

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                  •  radio problem, the radio problem (0+ / 0-)

                    almost all references to beck were to his TV show and fox.

                    the national boycotts were targeted to fox. if there are local radio boycotts in your area then that is unique.

                    BTW, I think picketing radio stations is useless.

                    i'd be grateful to know if there has been ANY picketing like that- i heard of one in california by hispanics re the immigration issue and some republican legislation and they backed down, perhaps because of it.

                    one of the quickest ways to get universities and local sponsors to pull out is by picketing of those radio stations to get their attention, and media attention. while hundreds and thousands picket progressive issues at capitols they have to occupy them to get any real media discussion, or political. as long as the radio stations can blast the community all day with distortions and lies related to those protests and issues to much bigger crowds the GOP and even dems don't have to pay attention to traditional protests at capitols.

                    those radio stations are the power centers of all this right wing alternate reality and obstruction and i think a group picketing a downtown located station can draw attention to that fact.

                    Progressives will lose all major messaging battles until they picket the limbaugh/hannity megastations and boycott those stations' local sponsors.

                    by certainot on Fri Mar 04, 2011 at 02:13:54 PM PST

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                    •  Why I think picketing (0+ / 0-)

                      is not the most effective strategy: it's great if you're picketing local stations, but most of the stations that carry Rush, Beck etc. are owned by Clear Channel or other large media entities. Some of them don't even have staffs - they're completely automated. And this is most true in the places where action would be most desired: small, rural markets where there's very limited competition.

                      Clear Channel would notice someone picketing one of these stations about as much as an elephant would notice an ant. OTOH, these stations carry local advertising; getting the advertisers on our side (or at least aware of what they're sponsoring) could have a real impact.

                      And as I mantioned in my first comment, Glennie is off the radio in my town.

                      The only thing we have to fear is fear itself.

                      by sidnora on Fri Mar 04, 2011 at 04:52:26 PM PST

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                      •  it would probably only work with stations (1+ / 0-)
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                        located near busy streets, downtowns, etc., but it wouldn't matter if they were automated or not.

                        the megastations are the main thing to challenge, the rest of the country would notice- the rural stations are just followers.

                        and the universities making global warming acceptable- they have to pull out.

                        Progressives will lose all major messaging battles until they picket the limbaugh/hannity megastations and boycott those stations' local sponsors.

                        by certainot on Fri Mar 04, 2011 at 08:24:07 PM PST

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                  •  PS compare (0+ / 0-)

                    the attention fox gets to the attention the radio monopoly gets. and the blame.

                    not only is it not even close, but fox NEEDS radio  to even exist as is, and there is very little analysis of what is happening on the radio compared to fox. dems are looking at and responding to a symptom, fox, as opposed to the cause.

                    Progressives will lose all major messaging battles until they picket the limbaugh/hannity megastations and boycott those stations' local sponsors.

                    by certainot on Fri Mar 04, 2011 at 02:53:25 PM PST

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      •  Putting aside the argument (1+ / 0-)
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        that it's immoral for anyone to call anyone a cockroach (though I agree with this), there are two more pragmatic, if subtle, reasons to avoid doing so:

        One, it keeps you from ever making a false positive. That is, even if you're right in one case, you may be wrong in another. (If you think that's no big deal, than what brings you into this diary?)

        Two, remember that Rush is a human being, just as we are. That means that we could suffer from the same frailties in judgment that he suffers from. By refraining from calling someone else a "cockroach" (or the like), we remind ourselves of the need to be alert, lest we become infected with the same evil that afflicts Rush.

        Even though our dream is not yet completed... we are not quitters... and we are not through. Ty'Sheoma Bethea

        by Nowhere Man on Wed Mar 02, 2011 at 11:50:43 AM PST

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    •  While a tad graphic, I agree with the (10+ / 0-)

      comment:

      Nobody has done more to destroy the United States than this bloviating worthless bloated pill popping junk-assed whore.

      I post on the local RW newspaper's comment board and although I avoid labels, have identified myself as liberal.  Once I got into the rhythm of the Wingers/Baggers, I can see the damage Limbaugh and Fox News has done. These people are not only dittoheads and residents of Beckistan, they have also lost any sense of reason or common decency.

      The vitriol and combatitive rhetoric is sickening.

      May the forces of evil become confused on the way to your house. George Carlin

      by msmacgyver on Wed Mar 02, 2011 at 06:26:32 AM PST

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      •  That's what is so disturbing (5+ / 0-)

        For at least two decades, the True Believers have been continually told that Liberals and Leftists hate this country and want to destroy it. We are the traitors that have brought the great nation to its knees.

        A large percentage of them do hate "Liberals" so much that they would eliminate them if they were asked to by a mass movement.

        At least no one can tell a liberal by looking at him or her -yet.

        Democracy *means* Anti-Plutocracy. Democrats, be true to your Self and win!

        by Louise on Wed Mar 02, 2011 at 07:40:21 AM PST

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        •  The 'hatred' of the Left goes back (5+ / 0-)
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          a lot farther than twenty years and while McCarthy didn't invent the meme, he is one of the most prominent GOPers to take it to extremes.

          http://en.wikipedia.org/...

          Joseph Raymond "Joe" McCarthy (November 14, 1908 – May 2, 1957) was an American politician who served as a Republican U.S. Senator from the state of Wisconsin from 1947 until his death in 1957. Beginning in 1950, McCarthy became the most visible public face of a period in which Cold War tensions fueled fears of widespread Communist subversion.[1] He was noted for making claims that there were large numbers of Communists and Soviet spies and sympathizers inside the United States federal government and elsewhere. Ultimately, McCarthy's tactics and his inability to substantiate his claims led him to be censured by the United States Senate.

          The term McCarthyism, coined in 1950 in reference to McCarthy's practices, was soon applied to similar anti-communist activities. Today the term is used more generally in reference to demagogic, reckless, and unsubstantiated accusations, as well as public attacks on the character or patriotism of political opponents.

          For those generational GOPers, Left = Communism = Evil.  For those of newer generations, it is shorthanded to Left = Evil.

          The Nixon WH is credited for the term "liberal media bias" which was meant to discredit the media reports of Vietnam.  It is no coincidence that Roger Ailes was brought into the Nixon WH as a media advisor.  

          http://en.wikipedia.org/...

          In November 1969, Spiro Agnew, then Vice President under Richard Nixon, made a landmark speech denouncing what he saw as media bias against the Vietnam War. He called those opposed to the war the "nattering nabobs of negativism."

          Limbaugh has been hammering away at this for a long, long time and it was an easy pick up for RW hate talkers and FoxNews.  When the religious right angled itself into the GOP, the political combined with the religious to create a wall of hatred against Dems, Liberals and Progressives.  

          This is why republicans vote against their own interest, cling to the culture wars and refuse to accept facts as reality.

          May the forces of evil become confused on the way to your house. George Carlin

          by msmacgyver on Wed Mar 02, 2011 at 08:12:31 AM PST

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          •  Even in Mother Jones' day some preached against (2+ / 0-)
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            unions as "unChristian."  Divide and conquer is a very old strategy.

            "Everyone is ignorant-but on different subjects." Will Rogers

            by Mayfly on Wed Mar 02, 2011 at 10:40:52 AM PST

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          •  Goes back to the 1919-20 Red Scare (1+ / 0-)
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            "You must be the change you wish to see in the world." — Mahatma Gandhi CARTOON: America’s winners and losers

            by Lefty Coaster on Wed Mar 02, 2011 at 10:43:02 AM PST

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          •  "In 1924... (1+ / 0-)
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            Protestant fundamentalists wove together...a "Bible-Christ-and-Constitution campaign, while the Ku Klux Klan's warcry was "Back to the Constitution."

            ...many Americans agreed with Walter Hines Page: "We Americans have got to hang our Irish agitators and shoot our hyphenates..."

            ...[Kenneth] Roberts [in the Saturday Evening Post!]urged that immigration laws be revsed to admit fewer Polish Jews, who were "human parasites"; cautioned against Social-Democrats, since "social democracy gives off a distinctly sour, bolshevistic order"; and opposed unrestricted immigration, for it would inevitably produce "a hybrid race of people as worthless and futile as the good-for-nothing mongrels of Cental America and Southeastern Europe."


            The Perils of Prosperity: 1914-32, William E. Leuchtenberg, U. Chicago Press, 1958

            Just coincidentally. Talk about tropes that keep coming back in a slightly different form.

            The combined hatred of immigrants and communism stirred up post WWI led to the 1920 Palmer raids with some of the most widespread a blatant abuses of civil rights ever seen in this country.

    •  This is why I avoid pejoratives (1+ / 0-)
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      It's just to easy to fall into the habit of dehumanizing your enemies. So I assiduously avoid using plays on people's names (e.g., "Lush Limpdick").

      Besides, all that does is make yourself feel better without actually advancing your cause.

      It's also why I never put an anti-Bush bumper sticker on my car like so many other people. Because, ultimately, this is not about Bush or Rush or any of the other multitude of assholes who push this poison. It's the poison itself that must be countered.

    •  Good for you. (1+ / 0-)
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      I lot of people here, including the Admin, defend precisely this kind of rhetoric when it targets those they consider "Fair Game".

      Will the revolution be easier if we HR each other a lot?

      by JesseCW on Wed Mar 02, 2011 at 10:35:33 AM PST

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      •  I think any dehumanization from either side is (0+ / 0-)

        jumping off that slippery slope, let alone sliding down....

        Been yelling that for years here, sometimes it even works for a bit.......

        Vaya con Dios Don Alejo
        I want to die a slave to principles. Not to men.
        Emiliano Zapata

        by buddabelly on Thu Mar 03, 2011 at 03:23:10 AM PST

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  •  They are getting desperate. Witness (28+ / 0-)

    Boehner likens state budgets to hostages with machine guns at head

    Unfortunately, we know the history of these right wing blow hards and their dog whistles. Some kook somewhere is gonna pull out their gun to fix the problem. Probably sooner than later. Then we'll have one more "tragic, how could this happen" story plastered all over the MSM. And we will all know exactly how it happened. Fear mongering and lies.

    We are all cheeseheads now. We stand with Wisconsin!

    by mrsgoo on Tue Mar 01, 2011 at 11:28:09 PM PST

  •  A couple of comments from Fox Nation (27+ / 0-)

    made over the weekend:

       theoutlawjoseywhales

        there's a huge, beautiful castle that belongs to SEIU, in Federal Way, Washington, occupying a prime piece of real estate. This would be a good place to start a war, if you have an inclination. I do.
        1 person liked this

    garydorman8618

    I think assanation or impeachment is the only way we can save our great country from this arrogent nígger

         Julia
         Your last two words are redundant.

    More in my diary: Haven for violent hate speech Fox Nation accuses pro-union demonstrators of hate speech

    "You must be the change you wish to see in the world." — Mahatma Gandhi CARTOON: America’s winners and losers

    by Lefty Coaster on Wed Mar 02, 2011 at 12:37:51 AM PST

  •  The Rwanda allusion aside for a second .... (11+ / 0-)
    Because these people, they're like cockroaches, they just keep coming back..."

    .... damn right, they'd better "keep coming back" at the militant corporatism Rush shills for! Where would this country be if workers, organizers, unions, suffragettes, minorities, and others who were stepped on like cockroaches did not "keep coming back" in the face of beatings, hosings, bullets, dogs, and lynchings?

    This isn't the first time we've heard U.S. talk radio discussed in the same breath with Rwanda, although the comparison is extreme. For now. They sure keep moving in a dangerous direction. Piss-ants like Savage talk about shooting people. I'm just waiting for Limbaugh or Beck to go over the edge and call for violence -- not allude to it, not talk metaphorically, not joke about it. Call for it.  

    Good diary.

    stay together / learn the flowers / go light - Gary Snyder

    by Mother Mags on Wed Mar 02, 2011 at 12:42:09 AM PST

    •  Heh... (6+ / 0-)

      Yeah. He might want to rethink that analogy given that cockroaches are expected to outlive every thing else, aren't they?

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      by mole333 on Wed Mar 02, 2011 at 05:54:20 AM PST

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      •  But he would never live without his Twinkies (nt) (1+ / 0-)
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        Primary Barack Obama in 2012 . . . with Barack Obama 2008!

        by Pale Jenova on Wed Mar 02, 2011 at 06:23:05 AM PST

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      •  It's said that they will survive (3+ / 0-)
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        a nuclear war, but that's just conjecture by some ivy tower scientists and we all know that science has pretty much been discredited in favor of the religious faith of the right wing.

        I remember watching the Tonight Show in the mid-70s and Freddy Fender (aka El Bebop Kid, nee Baldemar Huerta, June 4, 1937-October 14, 2006, R.I.P.)  described himself as a cockroach in reference to his career, something to the effect that "Yeah, I'm like a cockroach.  You flush me down the drain and I keep coming back".

        Given the source, I'll take this as a compliment that the fat one is worried about the Left's tenacity and ability to survive.

        A petty criminal is someone with predatory instincts but insufficient capital to form a corporation.

        by stlsophos on Wed Mar 02, 2011 at 07:05:33 AM PST

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    •  Persistence is supposed to be *good* (2+ / 0-)
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      Did the GOP get the message that they were "beaten" after the election in 2008? No, they kept on scrapping, using what little power they had - the power of "no" - to stop the "people's agenda" dead in its tracks.

      Using Limbaugh's logic, the GOP should have simply stopped fighting. After all, they were soundly beaten.

      When the Democrats show the same persistence - using the power given to them by the people! - Limbaugh castigates us as vermin.

      My point is not that they are calling us bad names. They are always doing that. It is that their language is becoming more eliminationist as the stakes get higher.

      Democracy *means* Anti-Plutocracy. Democrats, be true to your Self and win!

      by Louise on Wed Mar 02, 2011 at 11:15:40 AM PST

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  •  It Hasn't Even Been Two Months Yet..... (32+ / 0-)

    The House of Representatives is a disaster.  Wisconsin is falling apart.  Huckabee has been reduced to pretending President Obama spent a childhood in Kenya.  Gingrich is calling for impeachment &  a government shutdown again.

    Glenn Beck's ratings are plummeting.  Roger Ailes may be indicted.  Canada rejected right wing TV.  Palin's unfavorables are increasing.  

    This is how they govern.  In two months, the GOP has floundered, flopped & faux pauxed itself in front of the entire country.  And......they still haven't produced a single job.  Not one.  

    Saddest of all.  They're trotting out Michael Steele to defend them on the talk shows.  Now come on.....that proves how desperate they've become.  

    •  Fox is running Beck in UK sans (3+ / 0-)
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      adverts; preferring politics over profit.  I guess this proves our Brit cousins may actually be the sane ones

    •  I agree, snapples...the more distractions (1+ / 0-)
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      the better, they think.

      Thanks for the neat run down of GOPer/Winger/Bagger failures.  I'll look forward to more of the same :)

      May the forces of evil become confused on the way to your house. George Carlin

      by msmacgyver on Wed Mar 02, 2011 at 06:36:23 AM PST

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    •  Jobs (0+ / 0-)

      The only jobs they seem capable of producing are shills for their own propaganda.

      FOSI: Full Of Shit Information - Both my sister and I are trivia freaks...

      by Spoc42 on Wed Mar 02, 2011 at 06:38:29 AM PST

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    •  Limbaugh: it's all the fault of Liberals! (1+ / 0-)
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      He said it himself: "You want to be able to say you've won... but the moment you win a battle, and you know you've won it - the war continues. These people - they're like cockroaches - they just keep coming back."

      He's laying the difficulties in Congress at the feet of the Democrats. We just won't admit we were beaten. The GOP won statehouses, the House - he goes through the litany. This is proof to him that the American people want the world that the GOP is proposing.

      But it's the persistent, won't-go-away, cockroaches of the Left that are ruining it for everyone.

      Well, gee, Rush, what should we do?

      Democracy *means* Anti-Plutocracy. Democrats, be true to your Self and win!

      by Louise on Wed Mar 02, 2011 at 07:46:03 AM PST

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  •  As a Limbag listener (22+ / 0-)

    I did miss cockroach the portion of his show today but something else struck me about the portion I did hear.

    Callers React to Trump Interview

    RUSH:  ...I know a lot of people, and I (sigh). I shouldn't say this because I'm not saying it about Trump. I want you to understand this, but it's a whole topic. You've kind of interested me with your point that some people could be satisfied with enough money or fame.  Most people I know don't have enough of each.  Whatever amount they have they want more --

    For Rush's rich Cronies Too Much is Never Enough.

    "You must be the change you wish to see in the world." — Mahatma Gandhi CARTOON: America’s winners and losers

    by Lefty Coaster on Wed Mar 02, 2011 at 01:35:57 AM PST

    •  Yes, because greed is an obsession. (21+ / 0-)

      It is one of the seven deadly sins, along with

      wrath
      envy
      gluttony
      lust
      pride
      sloth

      These are all obsessive manifestations of the basic instincts designed to secure survival.  But, in some people these instincts either become obsessive or aren't properly modified by the executive brain.  That is, people lacking in self-direction or modulation are mis-directed by their emotions and, sooner or later, self-destruct.  That's why the sins are called "deadly."  If humans rely on their basic instincts, they're likely not to live very long unless somebody protects them.  Perhaps the reason many of the show up as politicians is because we've made politicians a protected class.  It's a good fit.  

      http://www.youtube.com/cyprespond

      by hannah on Wed Mar 02, 2011 at 02:26:59 AM PST

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      •  I don't know (3+ / 0-)
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        If humans rely on their basic instincts, they're likely not to live very long unless somebody protects them.

        It could be said that the seven deadly sins are deadly because of over-protection.  For example,  if we actually had to run down food that was actively trying to get away, eating as much as possible when food was attained (gluttony) would make up for the times that it got away.  If we had to wait for seasonal plants to grow and bear fruit before we could eat,  hoarding and stock-piling would make a lot of sense.  Having more than enough would make up for the times when there wasn't enough.

        These survival instincts become obsessions when one is protected from the necessities of a natural life. There is reason to believe that those obsessed SHOULD destruct. It would certainly be positive in the evolutionary progress of man.  It is the protections that make it possible to live a self-destructive life for a very long time and pass on these self-destructive activities to their children.  It also makes the seven deadly sins less threatening because people see that these sins are not actually deadly when you have the right protection.

        Fools are the teachers of the wise. It is foolish to disrespect one's teachers. - Old Man

        by A Voice on Wed Mar 02, 2011 at 05:32:05 AM PST

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        •  Eating more than your stomach (3+ / 0-)
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          can hold makes you sick.  In nature, predatory killers leave remains for scavenging by others in the pack or scavenging organism.
          Hoarding plants (things that don't run away and are good to eat) is a positive behavior, especially if other organisms don't consume the store (pests) or by consuming, turn it into something that holds longer and tastes even better (beer and wine).  Everything useful gets consumed by some organism sooner or later.  The human genius lies in sharing and the memory of having shared, which makes it possible to share over distance and time.  Money just makes it possible to fix the memory of accounts.  
          Indeed, what we call buying and selling is actually a form of sharing with money as a sort of middleman, mediating the transaction.
          Exchange and trade.  We recognize there's such a relationship between bees and flowering plants, for example.  The difference there is that the behavior is encoded in the bees' DNA.  Humans are free not to engage in it and just take what they want without giving anything back.

          http://www.youtube.com/cyprespond

          by hannah on Wed Mar 02, 2011 at 06:15:10 AM PST

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      •  And Greed wins by ginning up Wrath against Sloth (2+ / 0-)
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        Americans work so hard and (because life happens) also have the fear of losing it all (instantly) so the forces of Greed use these realities to construct and amplify a fear of inner Sloth that motivates the mythologized Protestant Work Ethic held in prized virtue by so many Americans. The few powerful force concentrations of Greed gin up the inbred fear of Sloth by conjuring the "welfare queen" and they incite war where on one side is Envy, Gluttony, Lust, and Pride all fighting against the perceived Sloth. This warfare hides the plunder and rape of Greed. It's all very primal and repetitive and, with grate enough numbers and technology,  reliable.

      •  Problem is (1+ / 0-)
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        they left out Stupid.  The greatest sin.

        My life is an open book, and I want a rewrite!

        by trumpeter on Wed Mar 02, 2011 at 12:30:21 PM PST

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    •  That is standard issue (4+ / 0-)
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      Limbaugh horseshit though - the elimination rhetoric takes things to a much more sinister level.

    •  the Greeks saw Hades as where (11+ / 0-)

      everyone gets his just desserts. For Rush, I think he will be seated at the banquet where everyone has a too-long spoon so he can feed his neighbor but not himself. Since none will feed the other, they all starve amid plenty

      •  The Greeks assumed (3+ / 0-)
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        far better table manners than we could expect from Rush in circumstances like those: he'd just throw down his spoon and jam his face right in.

        The only thing we have to fear is fear itself.

        by sidnora on Wed Mar 02, 2011 at 06:33:52 AM PST

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        •  I would expect his plate to slide (3+ / 0-)
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          just out of reach as a sort of culinary Sisyphus

          •  That sounds better! (1+ / 0-)
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            It would have to be something that he had no control over, because if he had control, he would grab everything he could lay his hands on.

            The only thing we have to fear is fear itself.

            by sidnora on Wed Mar 02, 2011 at 07:51:28 AM PST

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            •  that is why the Greek Hades (2+ / 0-)
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              seems more equitable to me than the Christian Heaven/Hell. Last week I proposed to a Fundamentalist that being a good Christian entails good behavior and she immediately disagreed.
              "all you have to do is believe in Jesus and repent when you sin"
              Now this person has committed several misdemeanors over the past 2 years and continues to do so on the belief that repentance covers up the sin, even if it is a  multiple ongoing offense.  The Greeks were so much clearer in their theology

          •  And his Painkillers just out of reach (0+ / 0-)

            A plate with his Oxycontin that eludes him if he tries to grab some... all while he has the mother of all withdrawal symptoms that never, never go away... and the only cigars he can smoke are the worst cheap stogies... as many as he wants while the Cohibas are just close enough to smell and see but again totally elusive... And a plague of pilodonal cysts... and a very uncomfortable chair he can't get up from...

            Pogo & Murphy's Law, every time. Also "Trust but verify" - St. Ronnie (hah...)

            by IreGyre on Sat Mar 05, 2011 at 12:07:23 PM PST

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    •  greed.... right here, i got your greed, right here (0+ / 0-)

      Progressives will lose all major messaging battles until they picket the limbaugh/hannity megastations and boycott those stations' local sponsors.

      by certainot on Wed Mar 02, 2011 at 06:21:59 AM PST

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  •  Yup, it's been coming for years (5+ / 0-)

    2005/02/-Ann-Coulter-was-born-in-Rwanda

    I fear machetes will not be the weapon of choice here, guns will

    When everything seems like the movies Yeah you BLOG just to know you're alive

    by lawnorder on Wed Mar 02, 2011 at 01:37:50 AM PST

  •  My dog is begging for earplugs (8+ / 0-)

    My very first thought when I read the diary title was of the Tutsi genocide on Rwanda. The dog whistle was heard loud and clear.

    There's no way that Limpbag doesn't remember this horrific history and the terminology. I remember a kerfluffel when he talked about one of his usual hate-targets and a bug infestation in the same context and right in the middle of the crisis in Rwanda. He only got hit with a couple of negative editorials and a load of crap from the few left leaning radio talkers. I happened to be listening to a left leaning WLS-AM talk radio hosts when she ripped into Limpbag for his hateful rhetoric. It was common for the previous host at that time slot to rip into Limpbag on occasion. I remember wishing that the greatest of the great left leaning talk show hosts, Bob "Mad Dog" Lassiter would have been around to really skewer the guy. Alas, he was no longer at WLS.

    Lassiter once appeared with Limpbag on the old Crossfire TV show. The dialog was interrupted and Bob was not in his best form. You can find the show on YouTube if you're interested. A much better example of Bob Lassiter's work is the following:

    One of Lassiter's all-time best callers was "Mr. Airstream" who called Bob live during his show when he was working in Florida. The caller is for real and not staged. It's so strange and surreal that many believed that this caller had to be a fake. Mostly people who haven't visited Florida during the old folks migration season, I would guess. Enjoy.

    "All people are born alike - except Republicans and Democrats" - Groucho Marx

    by GrumpyOldGeek on Wed Mar 02, 2011 at 01:49:56 AM PST

  •  The Rwandans were appealing to (7+ / 0-)

    the human proclivity for killing things they fear or don't like, including their own kind.  And, often enough, people being disobedient and not doing what they are told is enough to make them disliked.
    The Koch brothers are people who think that way, eliminationists.  What distinguishes them from the Rwandans is that they get others to do their dirty work and they're content to rely on persistent deprivation to make the extermination last longer.  When people are sentenced to expire in the prime of life as a result of environmental poisoning and a lack of medical attention, they're being assaulted just as sure as if someone had taken a machete to them on the spot.

    In any event, what Limbaugh was likely responding to was the designation of two of the richest men in America as Kochroaches.  He may well take that as a personal insult because wealth is supposed to get respect and if the richest men don't get it, he's not likely to get it either.  

    That said, the vilification of cockroaches reveals primitive human attitudes.  Not only are cockroaches not going to be eliminated by anything humans do, if they show up in human habitations, it's only because that's where they find a steady supply of food and water that lazy humans leave lying around.  Like all living organisms, cockroaches deprived of food and water die.  If the flying ones (palmetto bugs) accidentally get into the house at night, attracted by the artificial light like moths, it's kind to capture them and put them back outside where they belong.

    As far as the Kochroaches are concerned, they too need to be put in their place, sent home and told to stop meddling and manipulating the political process to spread deprivation, rather than securing the welfare of the American people.  They're a nuisance.  However, the appropriate response to a nuisance is to remove it, not kill it off.  Killing is immoral.  It says so in the Bible, without qualification.  Calling it punishment does not make it moral.

    http://www.youtube.com/cyprespond

    by hannah on Wed Mar 02, 2011 at 02:19:09 AM PST

    •  wow, just, wow, hannah! (1+ / 0-)
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      Thank you!

      •  You're welcome. I think :) n/t (1+ / 0-)
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        http://www.youtube.com/cyprespond

        by hannah on Wed Mar 02, 2011 at 06:17:44 AM PST

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        •  no snark intended (1+ / 0-)
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          As far as the Kochroaches are concerned, they too need to be put in their place, sent home and told to stop meddling and manipulating the political process to spread deprivation, rather than securing the welfare of the American people.  They're a nuisance.  However, the appropriate response to a nuisance is to remove it, not kill it off.  Killing is immoral.  It says so in the Bible, without qualification.  Calling it punishment does not make it moral.
    •  "...what Limbaugh was likely responding to.." (1+ / 0-)
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      ".. was the designation of two of the richest men in America as Kochroaches. "

      Where is the evidence for this? Limbaugh never mentions this in his rant - which he would if he was actually taking offense at the term.

      The rest of your argument is sound. But Limbaugh, at least if his diatribe is used as evidence, used the "cockroaches" term on his own. How prevalent was the "Kochroaches" terminology before yesterday? I'd never heard it before the comments here.

      Democracy *means* Anti-Plutocracy. Democrats, be true to your Self and win!

      by Louise on Wed Mar 02, 2011 at 11:23:16 AM PST

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  •  Also, calling leftists cockroaches (2+ / 0-)
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    is sort of like calling a zombie a slug.  Neither leftists nor zombies are real persons.  It doesn't matter what you call them, except to the extent it says something about how you think.

    http://www.youtube.com/cyprespond

    by hannah on Wed Mar 02, 2011 at 02:54:56 AM PST

  •  sounds like Gadhafi (6+ / 0-)
    Amid violent protests against the government, Libyan strongman Moammer Gadhafi defiantly said yesterday he would not resign, "I will die a martyr at the end." Gadhafi also said the protests were "serving the devil," told his supporters to attack the "cockroaches... greasy rats and cats" protesting against him, and promised to "cleanse Libya house by house."

    link

  •  You're seeing things that aren't there (6+ / 0-)

    To posit some sort of dog whistle, you need a) Rush Limbaugh to be aware of the reference and b) his audience to be aware of the reference and c) Limbaugh intending for his audience to get that particular reference.

    This is just a generic insult that has been used for ages to refer to those perceived as pests.  There would be absolutely nothing wrong with referring to conservatives as cockroaches.

    I suppose your next step will be to ask networks to stop showing Men in Black.

    Things You Don't Talk About in Polite Company: Religion, Politics, the Occasional Intersection of Both

    by Anthony de Jesus on Wed Mar 02, 2011 at 03:08:57 AM PST

  •  Stealing Mark Levin's shtick, (5+ / 0-)
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    who's been using "vermin" and "vile" to describe the left, for years now.

    We are better than this. We must do better. Cmdr.Scott Kelly

    by mydailydrunk on Wed Mar 02, 2011 at 04:45:39 AM PST

  •   La cucaracha, la cucaracha, (8+ / 0-)

        Ya no puede caminar ;
        Porque no tiene, porque le falta
        Marijuana que fumar

  •  Limbaugh's Motivation (7+ / 0-)

    Is to accumulate as much money as possible to that he can take trips to the Dominican Republic and do whatever it is he likes doing there. I don't think he even cares what he's saying beyond the fact that it gets his listeners riled up, boosts his ratings and pleases the people who pay him. Limbaugh is that banal. In his mind, nothing that happens in the real world because of what he says will ever be his fault. Personal responsibility is a slog to right wingers, not a way of life.

    This head movie makes my eyes rain.

    by The Lone Apple on Wed Mar 02, 2011 at 05:16:04 AM PST

  •  Enduring American mystery (8+ / 0-)

    Why does the United States of America privilege this man's voice and utterly destructive agenda?  Why do the American people suffer it?

    This space intentionally left blank.

    by peterborocanuck on Wed Mar 02, 2011 at 05:30:20 AM PST

  •  I would take it as a compliment (2+ / 0-)
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    but then I am a bug guy.  I can see how one could take this and run with it.  That's right, we are not going away! There is at least some evidence that the cockroaches will survive longer than the human species.  I think we should all start wearing cockroach Ts and hats.

    Fools are the teachers of the wise. It is foolish to disrespect one's teachers. - Old Man

    by A Voice on Wed Mar 02, 2011 at 05:36:33 AM PST

  •  FAT BOY (0+ / 0-)

    WHY WOULD ANYONE POST ANYTHING SAID BY THE "COCKROACH"

  •  Limbaugh (8+ / 0-)

    knew exactly what he was saying.

     These terms and this rhetoric has been commented on all over net many many times.

    Limbaugh is a conscienceless amoral koch-whore who's been elevated to the status of spokeswhore by a politcal party with no sense of purpose and no politics- other than standing in opposition to anything that improves the quality of life for people in this country.

    Actually-Limbaugh is a metaphor for the gop.

     Lazy-pampered-over privleged loud-mouthed racist-and bigot-cigar puffing fatcat-ignorant boob-hypocrite.......................God-I'm just gettin' warmed up!

    "A liberal is a man or a woman or a child who looks forward to a better day, a more tranquil night, and a bright, infinite future." ~Leonard Bernstein

    by lyvwyr101 on Wed Mar 02, 2011 at 05:44:01 AM PST

  •  Since we are food to his fodder, I doubt he'd take (0+ / 0-)

    the time to put down his steak knife and seriously wield a machete to any lefty.  When people on here compared Dubbya to Hitler, did anyone really expect him to be charged with war crimes...wait we did.  Sorry for Charlysheenify this.  He should start his own network:CSN.

    The real problem is that private economic power - primarily money - is not distributed equally among all citizens. Douglas J. Amy--Govt is Good

    by catchnrelease on Wed Mar 02, 2011 at 05:47:04 AM PST

  •  Fat agitator is fat (N/T) (2+ / 0-)
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  •  You are right rush, we do keep coming back. (5+ / 0-)

    We will always keep coming back, you will not silence us no matter how loudly you complain or how many toddler like temper tantrums you throw.  Get used to it.

    Never kick a fresh turd on a hot day. Harry Truman

    by temptxan on Wed Mar 02, 2011 at 05:48:10 AM PST

  •  While I haven't heard her (4+ / 0-)

    call cockroach, Laura Ingram is pounding the "dirty, smelly" meme on her show for several days now. She's on during my drive time, so I often listen to her spew.  I wonder if she mis-read the memo, or just working up to it.

    •  She got the memo... (4+ / 0-)
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      The GOPer, whose name I conveniently forget, who is appearing as the face of the WI rethugs on Last Word, called the protestors 'slobs' and went on to describe them as creating a mess and making the Capitol smell, or words to that effect.

      He's been quite graphic in his descriptions and dismisses the protesters as being either college kids having a party (dingdingding) or unemployed people looking for a place to hang out (dingdingding).

      The Right has had trouble framing the WI success and the 'dirty-smelly-lazy-disrespectful' meme is a default position.

      As Rachel has said more than once, "Wisconsin, you are winning!"

      May the forces of evil become confused on the way to your house. George Carlin

      by msmacgyver on Wed Mar 02, 2011 at 06:50:43 AM PST

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  •  Haven't I seen the same on this site... (6+ / 0-)

    ...by some people referring to progressives?

    •  But Rush has an audience of millions. n/t (0+ / 0-)

      Oh, there you are, Perry. -Phineas -SLB-

      by boran2 on Wed Mar 02, 2011 at 06:09:06 AM PST

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    •  yes, I've seen that as well. (4+ / 0-)
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      I work with B2B PAC, and all views and opinions in this account are my own.

      by slinkerwink on Wed Mar 02, 2011 at 07:06:03 AM PST

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    •  So I guess when we call those people... (1+ / 0-)
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      .... "Dittoheads", they'll understand the connection, right?  Funny how so many of them thought it was all cool to call others on here "cockroaches", and yet they call for the banning of people for saying things not remotely as bad.

      "Any dictator would admire the uniformity and obedience of the U.S. media." -- Noam Chomsky

      by ratmach on Wed Mar 02, 2011 at 10:35:17 AM PST

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      •  actually, "Dittohead" is their own term (0+ / 0-)

        Rush's listeners are proud to be called Dittoheads. It's the term that they themselves developed. "Mega-dittos, Rush," is the standard way that they open a fan call to him.

        I don't recall any of us on the Left calling ourselves "cockroaches."

        Democracy *means* Anti-Plutocracy. Democrats, be true to your Self and win!

        by Louise on Wed Mar 02, 2011 at 11:31:19 AM PST

        [ Parent ]

        •  Umm... I was referring to something... (0+ / 0-)

          ... that went down here on DKos maybe a week or so ago.  In the middle of one of the fights where accusations of racism (many of them false accusations) were getting thrown around, one of the high-profile members of this site started calling others on this site "cockroaches"... and got rec'd by several of their followers in the process.  So yeah, I realize Limbaugh fans LOVE being called "dittoheads". But I hightly doubt the people on here I'm referring to would like it too much. (I wouldn't have even brought this up if it had been a one-time passing thing. But it was just the latest in a whole bunch of ugliness that's been going around... and it's seriously harming this site. If you've been fortunate enough to have avoided this, I envy you.)

          "Any dictator would admire the uniformity and obedience of the U.S. media." -- Noam Chomsky

          by ratmach on Wed Mar 02, 2011 at 12:42:48 PM PST

          [ Parent ]

        •  By the way, my comment was in... (0+ / 0-)

          ... response to Rserven's comment (just above), who was, I believe, alluding to the same thing I was.

          "Any dictator would admire the uniformity and obedience of the U.S. media." -- Noam Chomsky

          by ratmach on Wed Mar 02, 2011 at 12:47:29 PM PST

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  •  Eliminationism (14+ / 0-)

    Thanks for this important diary, Louise.  While Limbaugh et al are not yet pounding out eliminationist themes as much as Rwandan media, the analogy is apt. Eliminationism has been building on hate radio in America for a long time.  Dave Neiwert details this in his book The Eliminationists, which I reviewed awhile back.

    “What motivates this kind of talk and behavior,” Neiwert writes of the sometimes surprising viciousness from otherwise ordinary people, “is called eliminationism: a politics and a culture that shuns dialogue and the democratic exchange of ideas in favor of the pursuit of outright elimination of the opposing side, either through suppression, exile and ejection, or extermination.”
    Neiwert stresses that eliminationist rhetoric “always depicts its opposition as beyond the pale, the embodiment of evil itself, unfit for participation in their vision of society, and thus worthy of elimination. It often further depicts its designated Enemy as vermin (especially rats and cockroaches) or diseases, and disease-like cancers on the body politic. A close corollary—but not as nakedly eliminationist—is the claim that opponents are traitors or criminals and that they pose a threat to our national security.”  [emphasis added]

    “The history of eliminationism in America and elsewhere,” he writes, “shows that rhetoric plays a significant role in the travesties that follow. It creates permission for people to act out in ways they might not otherwise. It allows them to abrogate their own humanity by denying the humanity of people deemed undesirable or a cultural contaminant.”

    •  Thank you, Frederick (3+ / 0-)
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      Your work on eliminationism is of major importance. If anything, this sort of language is only getting more extreme as the political pressure against the Plutocrats builds. I can certainly see it at Free Republic, which is now almost unreadable due to the hatred and vilification of "The Left."

      There may not be a large percentage of Americans who are eliminationists, but there are still thousands, if not millions. I can envision a Hutu-style "uprising" in a part of a deep Red state, where every social and cultural reinforcement demonizes Democrats. Would a Red State governor like Scott or Perry mobilize the National Guard to stop killing?

      About the only thing that save us is that you can't tell a Liberal by looking at them, unlike Hutu and Tutsis, who had a very discernible physical difference.

      But there is nothing to stop an eliminationist administration from outlawing Democrats. They could easily use voter lists to seize those people who needed "reeducation."

      My great fear is that the eliminationists never speak of Liberals as educable. They are always too moronic or stupid to understand basic principles. Perhaps reeducation camps aren't in their plan.

      Democracy *means* Anti-Plutocracy. Democrats, be true to your Self and win!

      by Louise on Wed Mar 02, 2011 at 08:02:10 AM PST

      [ Parent ]

  •  Right out of the Rwanda playbook. (3+ / 0-)
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    by terrypinder on Wed Mar 02, 2011 at 06:07:30 AM PST

  •  The Fuckin Drug-Addled Heap Show on Radio Rwanda. (0+ / 0-)

    MR PRESIDENT: $11 billion per month spent here at home would solve...
    EVERYTHING. Peace is cheap.

    by OleHippieChick on Wed Mar 02, 2011 at 06:07:56 AM PST

  •  Rwanda? Didn't really make the connection. (1+ / 0-)
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    It is just Limbo being Limbo.

    I dont think there is any remote danger of Limbites or Tea Partiers committing genocide any time soon.

    The greater chance of violence sparking is going to be the initiated by the more militant public sector union supporters/protestors. Though, again no chance of genocide. Just the possibility of minor flare-ups.

    •  Samulayo, are you conveniently (2+ / 0-)
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      forgetting the Tucson massacre that targeted Democrats?  The right wing nuts with their guns and hate speech have been committing murders around this country while "militant public sector union supporters/protestors" don't EXIST.  They are a figment of Fake News.

      Limbaugh is telling his brain dead followers to exterminate the opposition.  That ain't democracy.  It's genocide.  He needs to STFU.

      Best. President. Ever.

      by Little Lulu on Wed Mar 02, 2011 at 09:00:21 AM PST

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  •  rush wouldn't last if our universities stopped (2+ / 0-)
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    broadcasting their sports on stations that carry him.

    not that there are plenty of rush stations that don't, but those unis give credibility to his crap, including  the global warming denial.

    if it was a national thing he couldn't handle the scrutiny and rejection and would quit.

    Progressives will lose all major messaging battles until they picket the limbaugh/hannity megastations and boycott those stations' local sponsors.

    by certainot on Wed Mar 02, 2011 at 06:09:38 AM PST

  •  Um, I consider myself pretty educated (8+ / 0-)

    (college degree, law degree, pretty involved in current events) and I've been around much, much longer than since 1994, but when I hear somebody call somebody else a "cockroach" (and there are plenty of those creatures here in New Orleans, so it's not all that unusual) I don't have an "immediate association" with Rwanda.  I have an "immediate association" with those annoying, disgusting  creatures that seem to continually show up no matter how hard you try to get rid of them.  I don't think 99% of Limbaugh's audience has a clue that some people associate "cockroaches" with the Rwanda thing.  

    In other words, I think Limbaugh meant to insult those on the left in the way he generally does.  I think it's a real stretch to say he was trying to convey some association with Rwanda.  His audience would have no clue about that association.  

    •  but his audience does know (2+ / 0-)
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      what they are suposed to do when they see a roach, dont ya think

      •  Exactly. Which is why I said (2+ / 0-)
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        it's intended as an insult.

        It has nothing to do with Rwanda, as this diary tries to imply.  

        •  agree on rwanda (2+ / 0-)
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          but i do think the retoric is dangerous for any debate
          you dont arguee  or debate with roaches you terminate them when you find them

          •  Meh. I've seen the same (3+ / 0-)
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            kind of rhetoric against the right on this site.  I don't think this was any kind of literal call to arms or any kind of call for violence.  It was just an insult, calling those on the left the lowest kind of life he could think of.   People engaged in political debate do that kind of nasty insulting all the time.  I don't personally because I don't like it (I've never, for example, called GWB or Cheney the kinds of things I've seen people here call them) but I completely understand that, when I come to this site, I'm going to see that.  Just like people who choose to listen to Limbaugh are going to hear nasty insults about the left.  It's part of the deal, and always will be.

            I don't put it in the same kind of category as, for example, the crosshairs, or "2nd Amendment remedies."   That can be interpreted as a call to violence because of the gun thing.  Calling someone a cockroach is just an insult.  

        •  You're completely missing the point. (1+ / 0-)
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          Rwanda is just one of many historic examples of what the use of this kind of language justifies.

          What do you do to cockroaches?

          STOMP THEM.

          Do you feel bad about it?  You shouldn't.  They're cockroaches.

          Will the revolution be easier if we HR each other a lot?

          by JesseCW on Wed Mar 02, 2011 at 11:34:26 AM PST

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    •  This was big news. (1+ / 0-)
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      I'm surprised you missed it:
      Between April and June 1994, an estimated 800,000 Rwandans were killed in the space of 100 days.

      The possible imprisonment of "journalists" who aid and abet genocide (or mass killings of an ethnically or geographically designated group) is recent, but one Nuremburg trial concluded in 1946 with the hanging of Julius Streicher for publishing 'words that lead to death.'

      Limbaugh is tickling the elephant. He knows it. But his removal by a Black DOJ under a Black President would be a provocation...and one that he would welcome. Make no mistake, he is no buffoon. He really sees himself as the standardbearer of the elitist shock troops. Indeed, he should be squashed like the bug he accuses us of being.

      •  You misread my post (3+ / 0-)
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        Of course I knew about horrible happenings in Rwanda.  I just don't associate calling someone a "cockroach" with those horrible happenings.  If one side in that tragedy called the other "cockroaches," that wasn't publicized enough for the general public to think "Rwanda" every time they hear somebody trying to insult somebody else by calling them a coachroach.  I know I don't "immediately" think "Rwanda" when I hear "cockroach."  Certainly, Limbaugh's audience has heard of the terrible happenings in Rwanda, but I seriously, seriously doubt they are well-versed enough in the details so that, any time they hear "cockroach" they think "Rwanda."  

        The rest of your post really disturbs me because I am a big believer in the First Amendment.  The only way, consistent with the First Amendment, to "remove" Limbaugh is to reduce his listener base so that he is no longer profitable for his sponsors.  

        •  aha...a free market approach to (2+ / 0-)
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          doomsday! (The libertarian in me kissed you just then.) But I do know how you feel.

          We must uphold the great freedom for all or we lose it, eh? Well, certainly not 'fire in a crowded theater,' but still, is it a crime to rouse antipathy to a level that can later be seen to have caused violence and death?  Canada also said yes, in 2005:

          Earliest reports of Tutsis being called "cockroaches" started in a speech in 1992:

          On November 22, 1992 in Kabaya, Rwanda, a bespectacled politician named Leon Mugesera made a long, fiery speech to over 1,000 Hutus, 1 telling them that they were about to be exterminated by "inyenzi," 2 or cockroaches. Seventeen months later, a "preventable genocide" 3 began in Rwanda, but it was Hutus who massacred at least 500,000 Tutsis instead. 4

          By then, Mugesera had moved to Quebec, where other Rwandan expatriates later denounced him and asked that he be deported for having helped to cause the genocide with his 1992 speech. 5 The case slowly made its way through the Canadian courts, and in 2003 a Canadian federal appeals court ruled for Mugesera: "This speaker was a fervent supporter of democracy... The themes of his speeches were elections, courage and love... Even though it is true that some of his statements were misplaced or unfortunate, there is nothing in the evidence to indicate that Mr. Mugesera [was guilty]." 6 But in 2005, the Supreme Court of Canada found that Mugesera had indeed committed incitement to genocide, 7 a form of participation in genocide, arguably the worst crime ever codified.

          •  One speech calling them (2+ / 0-)
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            VClib, ezdidit

            cockroaches, or even a few speeches, by someone in Rwanda does not in any way, shape, or form mean that any time someone in American hears somebody called a "cockroach," they think of Rwanda.  

            I'm not in any way questioning whether it happened that people in Rwanda referred to the other side as "cockroaches."  I'm sure that it did.  Just that the "cockroach" thing did not get enough play in the U.S. to make people think of Rwanda every time the hear "cockroach."  Yes, yes, yes, most people know about the Rwanda genocide.  No, the vast majority of people do not know, or do not remember, that one specific aspect of that was that somebody called the other side "cockroaches."  I certainly didn't.  And I'm very sure the vast, vast majority of Limbaugh's listeners didn't.  So, if his listeners don't know that the word "cockroach" was associated in some small way with the Rwanda genocide episode, then use of the word "cockroach" cannot have been intended to suggest the Rwanda genocide to Limbaugh's listeners.  The idea that, by using the word "cockroach," Limbaugh was trying to make his listeners immediately think of the Rwanda genocide seems pretty ridiculous to me.  He was trying to make people think of cockroaches, and he was trying to convey a nasty insult about the left.  As he does all the time.   It just seems absurd to me that, by calling the left "cockroaches" he was trying to make his listeners think, "genocide."  

            And as far as the First Amendment goes, that notion of falsely yelling fire in a crowded theater"  has long since been abandoned by the Court.  If you are interested in what kind of speech can be made a crime, I suggest you read Brandenberg v. Ohio.  Trust me, Limbaugh doesn't come anywhere near the line drawn by the SCOTUS in Brandenburg.  

        •  limbaugh's sponsors are not his listener base (1+ / 0-)
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          he sells war, deregulation, global warming denial, and tax breaks for billionaires and billion dollars industries in the US and foreign. that's why he is on so many stations and why he makes so much money.

          but the stations that put him on do depend on his local sponsors and when they are sufficiently shamed, when the left pulls it's fingers out of their ears, then some will have to decide.

          and the universities that broadcast their sports on his stations need to quit giving credibility to the climate change denial those stations unanimously sell every day.

          Progressives will lose all major messaging battles until they picket the limbaugh/hannity megastations and boycott those stations' local sponsors.

          by certainot on Wed Mar 02, 2011 at 08:56:29 AM PST

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      •  I've said this before (1+ / 0-)
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        with regards to journalists championing the war in Iraq. I believe that the journalist has to be an explicit employee of the state carrying out the war crime, and not just a cheerleader.

    •  Don't bet on their ignorance. (0+ / 0-)

      A hugely influential radio personality, who essentially gives the marching orders to an entire political party, can never call the members of the opposing party "cockroaches" anymore.

      It is far too similar too the situation that unfolded in Rwanda.

      Let's say we do grant you thesis, that Rush's listeners are too unfamiliar with genocide to know where this term was used to foment violence. Does that make this term less threatening?

      Democracy *means* Anti-Plutocracy. Democrats, be true to your Self and win!

      by Louise on Wed Mar 02, 2011 at 11:34:33 AM PST

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  •  This is really reaching. (1+ / 0-)
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    As despicable a creature as Limbaugh is -- and as often as I feel he has said things that could easily incite violence among the less-stable elements listening -- the idea that the "cockroaches" comment has anything to do with Rwanda is just reeeeeeeally reaching.  The cockroach as a symbol of something that just won't go away is a metaphor that's approximately as old as... well, the cockroach.  It certainly didn't enter common usage only in 1994, and frankly I have never heard of anyone automatically associating that phrase with the Rwandan genocide.

    It's an EXTREMELY common metaphor, and just because that same extremely common metaphor was used by the Hutu radio host you mention, that does NOT in any way imply some sort of connection.  I'm sure it would not be difficult to find a thousand other examples of political radio hosts of all political stripes using the same metaphor when referring to political foes.

  •  Limbaugh should be investigated for inciting (0+ / 0-)

    violence.    His fascist ideology is driving him to promote violence and terrorism, in the name of "free speech".   This is not an issue of free speech.   It is an issue of someone provoking hate crimes.

    •  You can't be serious. (2+ / 0-)
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      You sound a like an old-school political officer for the Communist Party.

      Rush is a clown. He has a lot of fans but not that many that take him that serious me thinks. Certainly not seriously as you take him to be.

      •  And you sound (1+ / 0-)
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        like an idiot.   Your post is totally idiotic.

      •  Clown (0+ / 0-)

        Well... While (as I mentioned above) I don't see anything in this 'cockroaches' comment that's any more objectionable than typical Rush dribble, and the Rwanda comparison is IMO total nonsense, I think you're underestimating him with this remark.

        Sure, most Rush fans I've talked to consider him "mostly an entertainer" and prone to exaggeration and so on, a very crucial point is that most of those same fans don't think Rush lies.  They believe that, even though he exaggerates and sensationalizes, he is operating basically from the truth.  And the end result is that, even for those fans who think of him in part as a clown, he has an great deal of power to shape narratives on the right.

        And that's ignoring the fringe elements among his listeners who may well be unstable enough to take some of his genuinely scary comments to heart and do some really bad stuff.  And while the cockroach comment isn't inciting violence, there certainly have been plenty of examples of things Rush has said that are unequivocally violent in nature.

  •  Tipped.. (2+ / 0-)
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    ...because I think it is worth pointing out that this kind of language really has no place in civil discourse.  Abusive speech is a right, but rights are of course capable of being abused.  

     That being said, I do not think that there is a great risk of Limbaugh or others inspiring genocidal action.  Their speech is abusive, divisive and counterproductive, to be sure, and it is worth pointing out that the same term was used in Rwanda.  But ultimately Limbaugh is engaged in juvenile ranting; it was the broader context of Rwanda that made the genocide possible, not merely bad speech.  I think that the latter was more often than not a reflection of the environment that produced the mass murders, rather than a causal agent.  Even where the rhetoric helped push people over the edge, however, it was almost certainly never the sole cause, and probably never the primary cause.  

    "...after observation and analysis, when you find that anything agrees with reason and is conducive to the good and benefit of one and all, then accept it and live up to it."

    by Alec82 on Wed Mar 02, 2011 at 06:21:09 AM PST

    •  It's a matter of degree. (0+ / 0-)

      It's not likely to incite genocide.

      It's not unlikely to incite some cowardly assholes to jump a woman in an SEIU shirt on her way home from a meeting one dark night.

      Will the revolution be easier if we HR each other a lot?

      by JesseCW on Wed Mar 02, 2011 at 11:36:52 AM PST

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  •  I think Beck is becoming so irrelevant that he (1+ / 0-)
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    invites any kind of attention, even revulsion.

    The community of fools might be small if it were not such an accomplished proselytizer.

    by ZedMont on Wed Mar 02, 2011 at 06:22:24 AM PST

  •  Old Fat Ass Rush Is Just Doing What His Corporate (4+ / 0-)
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    masters pay him to do - pit  Americans against other Americans, in the hope that the middle class will be distracted and won't direct their anger at the moneyed elites, who have shipped American jobs overseas, are trying to dismantle the social safety net, etc.  I say, let's not be distracted by Rush's MO - the dittoheads aren't smart enough to realize propaganda when they hear it, but progressives and independents are. The best revenge is for progressives to just keep on being a thorn in drug addled Rush's side - keep supporting strong unions and the right to collectively bargain, keep supporting health care reform, keep blocking privatization of social security, support strong environmental laws, support a fair tax code with higher taxes on those most able to pay, etc.  It pisses Rush off, and makes me extremely happy. Of course, it also gives Rush fodder for his propaganda talk shows, but who cares? It allows me to know who his radio program sponsors are, and who to boycott. And by the way Rush, it takes one (a treasonous traitor) to know one.

  •  He's evil and so are his bosses (0+ / 0-)

    Racist radical Republican Governor Kasich- "I don't need your people".

    by J Brunner Fan on Wed Mar 02, 2011 at 06:25:51 AM PST

  •  sigh (1+ / 0-)
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    Can we give these lunatics some other small country of their own to ruin?

    Perhaps there's a free island somewhere in the pacific.

  •  does this stuff work anymore?? (1+ / 0-)
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    I kind of get the feeling that the More people like Limbo and the like attack the left and/or public employees (collective bargaining) the further the 'curtain' slips towards OPEN and the limbos and palins and foxers are exposed and lose a little more influence over the national conversation.

    it really is amazing what this attack on UNION WORKERS in WI has done to expose the lies the right will resort to to WIN (by any means possible) and WONDER OF WONDERS  'the people' are finally and really Getting it that the right is NO FRIEND to anyone who earns a paycheck be it UNION or not.

    Rush is lying to a less gullible crowd these days.... imho

    and THAT is probably the thing that pisses HIM off the most...

    •  Can't even run a website (1+ / 0-)
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      Check his website out. I've been going on message boards since shortly after 2000. Rush has STILL not found a way to include user input or fan forums or moderated comments. I believe this is because he's basically cheap. But it's also because he realizes that even if he applied Free Republic standards of commenter moderation, zotting at the least suggestion of liberalism, he'd still be unable to control the message.

      This is why he continues to become more and more irrelevant. In fact he's never been relevant, because at heart all he is is a pitch man. And if you look at the shit he pitches (hard drive maintenance software, lawn sprinkler attachments, gold trading opportunities) you'll see that he's frozen somewhere in the mid-nineties.

      •  What about if you pay? (0+ / 0-)

        There's some sort of super-duper Rush-lover membership you get if you pay a fee (which I refuse to do.) You get transcripts and tapes of his daily ramblings, etc., if you ponyy up the cash.

        Perhaps the Ditto-heads get to leave mashnotes and high-fives in some section of that cyber-playground.

        Democracy *means* Anti-Plutocracy. Democrats, be true to your Self and win!

        by Louise on Wed Mar 02, 2011 at 08:13:42 AM PST

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  •  We are like cockroaches, though (1+ / 0-)
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    We do keep coming back, because the desire for democracy beats in our hearts.

    We can survive on crumbs of food while the Limbaughs of the world get chauffeured around in Maybachs.

    We reproduce quickly from a few specimens  because the truth cannot be stopped.

    And we are accustomed to the contempt of the Serious People.

    Limbaugh is more like a tape worm.

    In theory, there is no difference between theory and practice; but in practice, there always is a difference. - Yogi Berra

    by blue aardvark on Wed Mar 02, 2011 at 06:30:23 AM PST

  •  A Study Was Done a Long Time Ago - Can't (0+ / 0-)

    remember who conducted the study - and it was discovered that cockroaches would most likely survive a nuclear atomic blast - but all of humanity would perish. So Rush, get used to us "cockroaches" - long after you are dead and just a bad memory, we will still be around.

  •  Adolph Hitler Quote... (0+ / 0-)
    It would be easier for the Devil to go to church and cross himself with holy water than for these people to comprehend the ideas which are accepted facts to us today.
    ( Berlin, 12/10/1940)

    "The skeleton in the closet is coming home to roost!" Tom Stoppard

    by Apotropoxy on Wed Mar 02, 2011 at 06:36:04 AM PST

  •  Limbaugh is a (0+ / 0-)

    "Koch roach"!

    I need to attribute this to another commenter, unfortunately I don't remember who it was.

  •  kind of an "eh" to me... (1+ / 0-)
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    I think it's just name-calling, and I wouldn't make a big thing about it... I'd just return the favor.  Maybe it's childish, but I've never really had that big a problem with name-calling.

    Rush Limbaugh calls us cockroaches, fair enough.  Since he's called the tune, I get to call him a drug-addled child-sex-tourist sad old sack of crap who's so prideless that he's willing to marry a woman who's only after his money, because he's that lonely and he knows nobody will ever love him for him, because there's nothing else about him to love.  And he serves no purpose to mankind, other than to create a detriment that he capitalizes on.  If he was to quit his show there'd be no need to replace him, because nobody needs it; it helps no one.  He has tons of money and yet is still the worst kind of loser that humanity can come up with.

    So, if he wants to call me a cockroach... eh, that's cool, I'd rather be a cockroach than what he is.

    "Glenn Beck ends up looking like a fat, stupid child. His face should be wearing a chef's hat on the side of a box of eclairs. " - Doug Stanhope

    by Front Toward Enemy on Wed Mar 02, 2011 at 06:45:27 AM PST

  •  This is reaction to Walker's humiliation (2+ / 0-)
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    at the hands of a single left-wing blogger. Very, very significant that the humiliation was meted out over the telephone.

    On Rush's show, the fiction is that the great man, Rush, is reachable to his legion of followers. All they need do is call in and express their views freely. The reality is that the process wherein people call in is guided by 2 factors. The first is that calls are screened so as to prevent cogent criticism of Rush from making it onto the show. The second is that in many, if not most cases, the calls are prearranged and pre-rehearsed.

    It would be unimaginable for a caller to get past screeners and subject Rush to damaging PR in the manner of Scott Walker's humiliation. When Walker is ultimately deposed we will all recognize the contribution of Ian Murphy in ending his political career. This is driving the right-wing bonkers at present, because their usual methods of villainizing and threatening won't work this time.

    Yes the parallels to Rwanda are there, and are conscious, I believe. But it's also important to remember that at the end of the day Rush is only concerned with one thing. Filling air time. He has to talk about something folks, he has a lot of time to kill. What we're seeing now is the result of Rush having gated himself into his own media ghetto, and his crazed attempt to convince his audience, and himself, that he remains relevant. Get those forks ready, this dinosaur's just about done.

    •  Rush is scared to death of any questioning or (0+ / 0-)

      rebuttal whatever.  He keeps hidden behind screeners.  

      And he wouldn't go on The Daily Show or the Colbert Report for all the money under the Koch brothers' mattresses.

      "Everyone is ignorant-but on different subjects." Will Rogers

      by Mayfly on Wed Mar 02, 2011 at 08:36:30 AM PST

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  •  Just more eliminationist rhetoric (3+ / 0-)

    What's new?

    Just another day in Oceania.

    by drshatterhand on Wed Mar 02, 2011 at 06:46:14 AM PST

  •  Rightwingers are fascists. (2+ / 0-)
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    Ban the GOP as a political party and require truth from broadcasters.

    •  Nothing says "anti-fascist" like banning (2+ / 0-)
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      political parties and limiting speech?

      I'm all for a fairness doctrine, and dearly wish that the news media would actually do a responsible job, rather than falling into "he said, she said", but the last thing I want is what you've described.

      To believe that markets determine value is to believe that milk comes from plastic bottles. Bromley (1985)

      by sneakers563 on Wed Mar 02, 2011 at 10:06:10 AM PST

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  •  He's been doing this for a long time (3+ / 0-)
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    I remember seeing a copy of the "Limbaugh letter" on sale at a Barnes and Noble back in the 90's. He had a cartoon of himself lifting the top of the House of Representatives and shining a flashblight and it showed people like Gephardt, Foley, Pat Schroeder scurrying like insects. He said that liberals "scurry away from the truth like coakroaches from light" or something to that effect.

  •  Eliminationist language like that has NO (6+ / 0-)

    place here on Dailykos. I've seen it used though here when talking about leftists.

    I work with B2B PAC, and all views and opinions in this account are my own.

    by slinkerwink on Wed Mar 02, 2011 at 07:05:06 AM PST

  •  We cockroaches will be around longer (0+ / 0-)

    than people like Limbaugh.

  •  I don't know that he thinks his words (0+ / 0-)

    will be effective - I don't want to believe he is telling his followers to take up arms against us. It is too horrible to contemplate.

    The Nazis used rats to dehumanize the Jews, though, and that was effective in a population of educated, supposedly civilized people, so he may be effective. I worry that I waited too long to buy land in Canada.

    My new bumper sticker: Palin-Satan '12

    by adigal on Wed Mar 02, 2011 at 07:07:49 AM PST

  •  What happens to "cockroaches" (2+ / 0-)
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    EXTREMELY GRAPHIC VIDEO w/audio--
    RTLM broadcast from Rwandan Genocide Project

    •  And this was just *one* day (2+ / 0-)
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      This language - and the reference to Tutsis as "cockroaches" - went on daily for years. RTLM was its constant source, available everywhere, and understood by even the illiterate.

      Democracy *means* Anti-Plutocracy. Democrats, be true to your Self and win!

      by Louise on Wed Mar 02, 2011 at 08:16:47 AM PST

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  •  I Was JUST In Rwanda (5+ / 0-)

    And reading this has left me chilled and sickened.  I wish there were a way to send Rush to the Genocide Memorial in Kigali.  I have to believe it would touch even him.  

    The people of Rwanda are working so hard to recover from the horrors of the past; and to help the world understand that it must not happen again.  Not only is this frightening, it's also an insult to the Rwandans.

    By the way, I loved Rwanda.  Of course, the gorillas are beyond awesome.  But I was stunned by the beauty of the coutnry and the warmth of the people.

  •  Kochsuckers is perfect. (0+ / 0-)

    Despite that they think its circular wedding cake....

    Financial capitalism's criminals + Angry White Males + KKK wannabes + Personality Disorder delusionals + George Will =EQ= The GOPer Base

    by vets74 on Wed Mar 02, 2011 at 07:42:04 AM PST

  •  the poor and the (2+ / 0-)
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    middle class really are subhuman to the self-styled elites. Handfuls of people among the middle class and poor are collaborators, mostly due to religious-based values that the elite exploit as so many tossed bones.

  •  It is sad, really (1+ / 0-)
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    that people listen to this man and agree with what he says.  It is interesting many who listen to him will say "oh, yeah, I know he is full of crap, but he is entertaining and sometimes he tells it like it is."
      Translation: "says what I'd never say, in mixed company, at least and not only says it, he shouts it from the tallest rooftop."
      The cockroach call-out is indeed disturbing because for the most part cockroaches in most people's minds are wedded to next word exterminator.
      This guy has been rolling on like this for 15 years without the slightest consequence.  The "Drive by Media" has completely failed to nail this guy for who he is, what he is doing and the dangers in his invective.
      So the question is not how to topple the evil jabba the hut, but rather, how to reach those off whom he feeds.  This is essential, that somehow progressives can get their message out in a non-partisan way on the most important issues, especially the environment (but how can one do that when the word environmentalist is the same in his audieance's mind as socialist, marxist, american hater...etc.?)
      The challenge is immense.  The democratic party has largely sold out to corporate interests out of political fund raising pragmatism.  The deep interests of their core support are largely ignored:  Labor, civil rights, envirnoment...though without them it would be worse, arguablly far worse.
      What is happening in WI is very promising.  There is no voice that is rising from that as loud as Limbaugh, though I would give some applause to Ed Shultz.
      The president has been supportive.  It is his voice that could keep a warm wind blowing in the movement.  This is an opportunity to win back the "Reagan democrats".  
      Limbaugh has to be challenged loudly, fiercely, by dems and republicans have to be challenged to denounce him.
      It is time for Al Franken to step forward and make some noise, tell a few jokes, make some more noise and ask America if Rush Limbaugh's attitude is the one they want to represent what this country is and where it is headed.

    •  Where is our Jeremiah? (0+ / 0-)

      Where is the prophet who will stand up and tell America where  we are headed if we continue down the path of Plutocracy?

      Perhaps we have to do it ourselves. No one else seems to be willing to pick up the mantle of Truth, at least not among the Democratic politicians.

      How I long to hear Obama speak out! But he is mumbling weasel words.

      Democracy *means* Anti-Plutocracy. Democrats, be true to your Self and win!

      by Louise on Wed Mar 02, 2011 at 11:42:57 AM PST

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  •  Of course.. (1+ / 0-)
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    ...the wise-ass ads on this site ^^ is for an exterminator! And lo and behold, there's a cockroach (my worst insect fear/hatred). yuck. Thanks smart-ass ads people!

  •  no, leftists aren't cockroaches (0+ / 0-)

    http://www.cafepress.com/...

    I'm tired of being labeled by these crazy right wing nut jobs. I can't lie down and take it any longer. Click on my t-shirt to see who the real kochroaches are.
    thank you

  •  Great diary, excellent analogy. (1+ / 0-)
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  •  They want to butcher us in the streets (2+ / 0-)
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    Limbaugh knows exactly what he's saying and yes, I'd say he wants conservatives to commit genocide against liberals.  Conservatives are the kind of people who commit genocide, and all they need to do it is to believe that the authority and the mythical vast and equally if passively conservative "Silent Majority" approve of their actions.

    They want to butcher us in the streets.  They've always wanted to.  That's what real men on a mission from God do.  At best, conservative politics is slowly but steadily breaking down our individual and institutional restraints in order to make the orgy of violence possible.  Lynching blacks, beating hippies, road-hauling gays, bombing foreigners, etc.: that is conservatism distilled into its purest essence - power = morality, or we kill you because we can, and it is Good with a capital 'G'.

    "How does it feel being fisted by the Invisible Hand, America?" - John Cole of Balloon Juice

    by Visceral on Wed Mar 02, 2011 at 08:26:52 AM PST

    •  All conservatives are potential (0+ / 0-)

      butchers?   It may be time for you to step back from the political fray and consider what it has done to your thinking.

    •  It won't be a killing spree (0+ / 0-)

      No matter how much they want to, and even fantasize about it.

      It can't happen because you can't tell who's a liberal just by looking at people. A girl with a nose ring or unshaven legs? A guy playing hackey-sack? An interracial couple? A middle-aged woman ordering a salad at McDonald's? Who's the Liberal?

      They might be able to  go hunting around Election Day - machine gun everyone in a house with a Democratic street sign, for instance.

      It's far more likely that they will wait until they have political control. Then you can use the voter lists to determine who the Democrats are, and round them up.

      Democracy *means* Anti-Plutocracy. Democrats, be true to your Self and win!

      by Louise on Wed Mar 02, 2011 at 12:05:58 PM PST

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  •  I called Fox News America's Radio Rwanda (2+ / 0-)
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    Right after Gabby Giffords and the rest of those people were shot.  I showed up on the right wings hate list with this diary.  Fox News is America's Radio Rwanda  They know what they are doing and yes they are doing an American analog.

    Every moment in life contains an off ramp. Never be afraid to use it.

    by Adept2u on Wed Mar 02, 2011 at 08:27:44 AM PST

    •  I (1+ / 0-)
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      believe FOX NEWS and Right Wing Hate Radio are the cause of the possible coming civil war in this country. They have demonized the Left so that the people on the Right want to stomp them out.

      NEWS CORP IS OWNED BY AN AUSTRALIAN, A CHINESE AND A SAUDI PRINCE. WHAT LOYALTY COULD THEY POSSIBLY HAVE TO AMERICA?

  •  Time to repeat Ma Joad's speech from Grapes of (1+ / 0-)
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    Wrath:

    "Rich fellas come up an' they die, and their kids ain't no good an' they die out.  But we keep a'comin! We're the people who live. They can't wipe us out; they can't lick us. We'll go on forever, Pa, 'cause we're the people."

    "Everyone is ignorant-but on different subjects." Will Rogers

    by Mayfly on Wed Mar 02, 2011 at 08:38:34 AM PST

  •  Umm (0+ / 0-)

    Mark Levine has said that many times.

  •  I just don't understand (0+ / 0-)

    Who is listening to this creep?  He is just a fat old bald white man who laughs all the way to the bank.  Anyone who believes a word this man says and gives any credence to him what so ever is a moron and stupid, and further needs to be educated.

    No wonder the Republicons want to do away with education.  These are the lemmings that nod and agree without a thought.

    " A lot of money is tainted - taint yours and taint mine." Unknown author

    by libbie on Wed Mar 02, 2011 at 08:45:28 AM PST

  •  I get the dehumanizing metaphor (0+ / 0-)

    but on the other hand --
    We always come back.
    We ALWAYS come back.
    WE ALWAYS COME BACK!!!
    BWAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!

    If you push something hard enough, it will fall over -- Fudd's First Law

    by That Mike on Wed Mar 02, 2011 at 08:47:14 AM PST

  •  probably said before... (1+ / 0-)
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    when it comes to a Limbaugh definition, I think I'd rather be a cockroach, than a cocksucker like him.

    Can't help but wonder when or if we'll ever 'dis-enthrall' ourselves with Wealth and Celebrity, and send this lunatic to the asylum where he belongs...

    "Secrecy is the beginning of tyranny"---Robert Heinlein, writing as Lazarus long

    by justadood on Wed Mar 02, 2011 at 08:54:39 AM PST

  •  I see . . . (1+ / 0-)
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    one really, really, really big cockroach that keeps infesting the airwaves, myself.

  •  Actually, I am a big fan of La Cucaracha (0+ / 0-)

    and I haven't even seen Wall-E.  

    They are resilient survivors ("Madonna has famously quoted, "I am a survivor. I am like a cockroach, you just can't get rid of me." wiki).  

    Their strength is in their large numbers, their ability to survive on almost no resources, and their group-based decision-making is responsible for resource allocation if there are any.

    Actually, Rush has given us a compliment.

    Let's break our dependence on foreign goods and our multinational masters. Shop American. May Peace Prevail

    by revgerry on Wed Mar 02, 2011 at 09:03:02 AM PST

  •  Thanks, Louise, I didn't know this history. (1+ / 0-)
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    It's important and should really be called out. Even though RL dances short of the call to genocide and "exterminate" his behavior needs to be called out.

    The line between free speech and inciting violence should be regularly scrutinized for licenses and legal challenges.

    I wish we had an assertive, busy legal team deployed by a progressive movement. The use of the courts is so haphazard and retrospective these days.

  •  Recalls radio Rwanda (1+ / 0-)
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    Louise

    In the weeks prior to the genocide of the Tutsi's , radio Rwanda began a campaign of demonizing the Tutsi's and the term "COCKRACHES' became the label that stuck and created the climate of hate and vitriol that resulted in the genocide that followed.  Rush and his radio programs are truly taking a dark turn with this label.  Rush is radio Rwanda and it is time to stop labeling this as free speech.  It is no longer benign but pathological and extremist.
    '

  •  Great Diary (0+ / 0-)

    I just dont know how you were able to listen to RL. I can only stand him for about 60 seconds before I start yelling at the radio.  :o)

  •  Turdbaugh (0+ / 0-)

    And he is a fat, loud, ignorant, drug-addicted closet queen, so we're even.

  •  Sadly, I have seen members of Dailykos (0+ / 0-)

    call other members of dailykos "cockroaches."

    Very sad indeed.

  •  Rush isn't smart enough to get that analogy (0+ / 0-)

    He probably doesn't even know where and what Rwanda is, probably would think it's some sort of leftist conspiracy to take his money away.

    Funny thing, as I was reading his screed I was sorta thinking similar things about Rethugs - we thought we finally had started to pry their cold dead fingers off the throat of the country, but then they came back to life in 2010, like zombies wanting to eat the brains of America.

    New favorite put-down: S/he's as dumb as a flock of Sarah Palins

    by sleipner on Wed Mar 02, 2011 at 09:43:51 AM PST

  •  Limbaugh isn't setting anyone up for a kill (0+ / 0-)

    without "cockroaches" he wouldn't exist.

    Think about it.

    If there was no left - there would be no right.

    He doesn't want us to go away - if we do, he goes away.

    The care of human life and happiness, and not their destruction, is the first and only legitimate object of good government. - Thomas Jefferson

    by ctexrep on Wed Mar 02, 2011 at 09:57:30 AM PST

  •  Wow. Read the title and Rwanda immediately came.. (1+ / 0-)
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    Louise

    to mind.  Specifically, what came to mind were the Radio Rwanda broadcasts urging the genocide of the Tutsi and referring to them as cockroaches.  

  •  LOL! Google ads has attached an exterminator ad (2+ / 0-)
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    Mayfly, JesseCW

    to this thread with a big ugly cockroach filling most of the ad space.

    "You must be the change you wish to see in the world." — Mahatma Gandhi CARTOON: America’s winners and losers

    by Lefty Coaster on Wed Mar 02, 2011 at 10:16:08 AM PST

  •  Limbaugh is a Pig (0+ / 0-)

    Hey did I cross the line.

    Fuck that piece of shit.

    "The real wealth of a nation consists of the contributions of its people and nature." -- Rianne Eisler

    by noofsh on Wed Mar 02, 2011 at 10:37:19 AM PST

  •  and rightists are Kochroaches (1+ / 0-)
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    It honestly does my heart good to see the frustration level of the baggers and the talk radio guys this week as they realize that we aren't going to just lie down and die.

    My bagger acquaintances have been really, really agitated about Wisconsin, and I love it.

  •  I'd rather be a relentless cockroach... (0+ / 0-)

    Than a non-sentient conservative parasite so clueless as to consume it's host until the host is dead thereby hastening it's own demise.

  •  I don't care what Limbaugh thinks of me. (0+ / 0-)

    In fact, I'll go so far as to say that when he insults me, I take it as a compliment.

    Mercy is for the weak. We do not train to be merciful here.

    by djtyg on Wed Mar 02, 2011 at 10:49:26 AM PST

  •  This goes back much further (0+ / 0-)

    The Nazis called the Jews and other (to them) undesirables "cockroaches" and similar things like "rats" and "vermin". The general point being, though, that when hatemongers refer to others with such degrading epithets, they are not only discrediting their worth--they are effectively justifying, if not hoping for, if not outright calling for, their literal, physical elimination.

    What a broken, repulsive, disgusting little man this Limbaugh is. A real troll, living under a multimillion dollar gold-lined bridge that he thinks he owns.

    "Those who stand for nothing fall for anything...Mankind are forever destined to be the dupes of bold & cunning imposture" --Alexander Hamilton

    by kovie on Wed Mar 02, 2011 at 10:50:49 AM PST

  •  I must take issue (0+ / 0-)

    with you on one point:

    If you were alive and sentient in 1994, as Limbaugh was,

    Limbaugh may have been alive in 1994, but sentient? I don't think so. Not then, not now.

    It is only by not paying one's bills that one can hope to live in the memory of the commercial classes. -- Oscar Wilde

    by Mnemosyne on Wed Mar 02, 2011 at 10:51:55 AM PST

    •  Well he was certainly busy in 1994 (1+ / 0-)
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      He'd already published "The Way Things Oughta Be." He was making a comfortable living excoriating Clinton and praising Newt Gingrich.

      God, it's so tiring to think that we had this viscious blowhard rabblerousing for all these years.

      Democracy *means* Anti-Plutocracy. Democrats, be true to your Self and win!

      by Louise on Wed Mar 02, 2011 at 12:28:22 PM PST

      [ Parent ]

  •  Meh (0+ / 0-)

    This is relatively tame for Limbaugh.  He'll never go away either.

    They didn't take baby steps when they saved the Rich.

    by Whimsical Rapscallion on Wed Mar 02, 2011 at 11:35:44 AM PST

  •  Jiggles McOxyblob is the de facto gop leader, so (0+ / 0-)

    what he says, however wrongheaded or insulting, should stand as representative of all gop'ers, cause none of them will denounce Jiggles antics.

    No home. No job. No peace. No rest.

    by A Runner on Wed Mar 02, 2011 at 12:18:54 PM PST

  •  Rush is a Hutu radio entertainer/war criminal. (0+ / 0-)

    I want to see his birth certificate!

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