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A bit of background first: Gay sex is illegal in Malaysia and homosexuals say they face discrimination from government policies such as a law that makes sodomy punishable by 20 years in prison, and these actions took place in the conservative state of Terengganu.

66 students ranging in age between 13 and 17 had first been identified as femmine by their teachers, and thus to be at risk for either becoming gay or transgendered. They were then selected to a  special camp for counselling on masculine behaviour, where they are said to be undergoing four days of religious and physical education.

The state's education director, Razali Daud, said the students were invited to join the camp and were not compelled to do so.

"As educators, we have to do something about it before the young ones misunderstand people and reach the point of no return,"
he was quoted as saying by the New Straits Times.

Mr Razali says although homosexuals and transvestites exist in Malaysia...

"We understand that some people end up as mak nyah (transvestite) or a homosexual, but we will do our best to limit the number,"

More on the story can be found at Fridae

Originally posted to BFSkinner on Wed Apr 20, 2011 at 02:26 PM PDT.

Also republished by Angry Gays.

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  •  Oh, for fuck's sake (15+ / 0-)

    this world is controlled by utterly ignorant people.  In my past 60 years I have had long term sexual relationships (not at the same time) with two men who would have been considered effeminate by morans in this country (not to mention elsewhere).  Both were completely hetero.  And if they weren't, whose business is that?

    I am so disgusted with homophobia and racism.  I'm going to be dead for a long time and this shite will still exist because of stupidity and religion.

    " My faith in the Constitution is whole; it is complete; it is total." Barbara Jordan, 1974

    by gchaucer2 on Wed Apr 20, 2011 at 02:36:16 PM PDT

  •  Malaysia is an Islamic state, so (2+ / 0-)
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    CajunBoyLgb, kyril

    this really doesn't surprise me.  It's more enlightened than many Islamic states, though, so at least the boys aren't being beheaded on the spot.

  •  "Point of no return"? WTF is the point of no (4+ / 0-)
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    BFSkinner, CajunBoyLgb, kyril, bluesheep

    return?

    “I’ve come to the conclusion that people who say they never have had a second thought most probably have never had a first!”‘

    by BobSmith415 on Wed Apr 20, 2011 at 02:42:36 PM PDT

  •  I bet... (7+ / 0-)
    The state's education director, Razali Daud, said the students were invited to join the camp and were not compelled to do so.

    ...no no pressure at all. As someone pointed out for a Muslim state it could be much worse. It's still very disheartening. I hope the kids aren't permanently scarred by this.

    Being gay is natural, hating gay is a lifestyle choice. - John Fugelsang

    by cooper888 on Wed Apr 20, 2011 at 02:56:10 PM PDT

  •  there something that westerners don't (7+ / 0-)

    get about "homosexuals" as defined by most of these third world societies, it's not the act of having homosexual partner that makes you 'homosexual' but presumed sexual passivity in homosexual act. So the hatred toward homosexual is actually disdain for woman,  to 'fuck' is seen as an active 'male' action while to be 'fucked' which is passive in voice is associated with being dominated, being subjugated. The female sexual emancipation is a must in these countries before you have any talk about tackling homophobia.

    notice it's not really gayness they are oppose to but sexual ambiguity, they want their gays to be manly men, notice also that there are no 'masculine' girls going to correctional facilities because 'masculinity' is praised.  

    •  They just rape any non-conforming girls (5+ / 0-)
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      BFSkinner, hron, CA TreeHugger, kyril, Steve84

      to put them in their place. So it's not like girls are getting the better end of this. Rape of women and girls is epidemic in most developing countries, and rape is often used as a way to punish girls and women who offend male sensibilities. Malaysia is no exception.

      The idea that men have to be the sexual dominate or sexual aggressor in very ancient. This was a common belief throughout the Ancient Mediterranean, even in Ancient Greek where anal sex between men was actually taboo, as one man had to be sexually submissive (sorry, but ancient Greece was not as gay-friendly as modern pro-gay people want it to be). One of the most horrific examples of this man-as-sexual-aggressor attitude is in the Medusa myth, where Medusa, who was a beautiful virgin priestess of Athena, was raped by Poseidon. But instead of Athena taking revenge on Poseidon for raping her servant, she cruelly punishes Medusa, turning her into a hideous gorgon. Men in Greek culture were expected to be sexual aggressors, so Poseidon had done no wrong. But Athena's holy servant had be violated so someone had to pay for that, and so Medusa had to pay for being raped.

      This attitude about male sexuality predates Christianity and Islam, although those religions likely contributed to its global pervasiveness. As these regions became Christianized and then Islamized, the cultural mores and taboos about sexuality already prevalent became assimilated into these religions and people used these religions to justify these sexual attitudes (granted it helped that ancient Judaism had already assimilated much of these attitudes and enshrined them in their holy scriptures, which both Chrisitans and Muslim use). And so wherever these religions went, they took these attitudes with them. Sometimes these attitudes were new to a culture but made commonplace by religious conversation while in other places, the religion only helped prop up similar, older attitudes.

      •  Masculinity and femininity and values associated (1+ / 0-)
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        kyril

        with both as you said predates the monotheistic (Abrahamic religions) but they have help to codify them.

        change the roles the sexes play you will change attitudes, if women are seen as providers and protectors, if women make more money than men and protection of life and property is shared collectively as opposed to each person for themselves (if there is a rule of law) then the attitudes toward femininity will change as well, it's only when it's OK to be a women, that you will have acceptance for homosexuality specially for for lack of better word "effeminate males" against these societies have no problem with butch male homo-sexual they have a disdain for women, for objective (passive)sexuality. You can't obtain a feminin emancipation without the acceptance of "otherness", this can be obtained by braking the fossilized interdependency of the old farmer/herder order, essentially this is what the industrial revolution did in western societies, the atomization of the individual gave rise to the acceptance of 'otherness' and by that to the acceptance of women not as the weaker or deform 'self' but as a unique 'self' a different entity altogether.

      •  Re: (1+ / 0-)
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        Nulwee

        Greece was still more open about this stuff than Rome. Romans considered Greeks to have somewhat lose sexual morals and same-sex behavior was often associated with Greece.

        But that taboo is why it usually manifested itself in having sex with slaves or - in the case of Greece - pederasty.

    •  This is the heart of it (5+ / 0-)
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      BFSkinner, hron, CA TreeHugger, skrekk, kyril

      I recently heard this theory and I wondered why I didn't realize it all along.

      All the fear of "making" our kids gay is directed towards boys. It doesn't seem to upset these same people if girls act boyish, or at least it doesn't upset them to the same passionate degree.

      It's being like a girl that's bad. Being born male is such a privilege they don't want it to be sullied by anything associated with women or girls, even the best things like gentleness or sensitivity.

      I often think this about Islamic societies in general, that the root of all their problems - the violence and ignorance - comes from their hatred of their own women and girls. This is great evidence of how misogyny also hurts boys and men.

      •  it's OK to act 'white' but not 'black' (1+ / 0-)
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        skrekk

        The homophobes are essentially insecure, they value what they don't possess which is strength.

        There is something called a 'theory of mind' it's the ability to imagine other peoples thoughts their desires and that these other individuals may actually have a completely different way of looking at the world. The homophobes lack a well developed 'theory of mind' in their conceptualizing of the world there is a NORM, a oneness symbolized by themselves and everyone who deviates from that norm is seen as a 'deformed other', women are perceived as a 'emasculated males', this is a unipolar world, women or black or Jews or Gypsies or Arabs (any 'other' in their society) can't be different in a legitimate way, their difference is seen as a sickness as a deformity that needs to be corrected, thus emulating their behaviour is seen as catching their sickness. A friend of mine did a research where he asked homophobes to think of homosexuals but not of 'Sex', their antipathy toward a person describes as gay was much lower than toward a person describes as 'homo-SEX-ual'  he explained that the reason for the discrepancy is due to the fact that these individuals with diminished 'theory of mind' hard a hard revulsion with the 'homosexual' act which they viewed as subjugation and that their inability to distinguish between 'others' and themselves caused them to envision themselves as receiving the 'subjugating' act.

        in the United states polls have shown that attitude toward 'gays and lesbians' was different that attitude toward 'homosexuals' indeed if you ask people ' do you approve of homosexuals serving in the military' you will get a different result that if you phrased the question as 'do you approve of gays and lesbians serving in the military'......look into it, you will be surprised by the result.

    •  Homophobia and sexism . . . (4+ / 0-)
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      kyril, hron, Steve84, bluesheep

      are joined at the hip.  Always have been.  Our society simply disdains what it feels is female behavior.

      "Ça c'est une chanson que j'aurais vraiment aimé ne pas avoir écrite." -- Barbara

      by FogCityJohn on Wed Apr 20, 2011 at 10:38:48 PM PDT

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  •  Someone just posted (8+ / 0-)

    a comment disguised as a diary (thanks DK4) re: problems with roads in Uganda.  Um, huh?  I don't give a fuck about the roads -- they pale in regards to the witch hunts on LGBT.  Call me amoral, but I can't raise a lot of sympathy for car accidents when people are being hunted and murdered and the godammed government wants to make homosexuality a capital crime.

    " My faith in the Constitution is whole; it is complete; it is total." Barbara Jordan, 1974

    by gchaucer2 on Wed Apr 20, 2011 at 03:35:45 PM PDT

  •  I read it in our local paper (3+ / 0-)
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    BFSkinner, kyril, Nulwee

    It was in last evening's edition.

    Unfortunately, there are some in this country who do the same thing.

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