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Last night, I struggled for words about this, and today I was still, but I started talking online to a friend of mine about it, and the stream of consciousness was such that I figured I should put it all together in the hopes of getting it out, feeling better, and summoning the will to put these assclowns out of business across the board in 2012.

As we know, because this [the WI law] only involves public sector unions in one state, it doesn't go further than the state supreme court, which fucked them. The state has the right to do away with public sector unions. However, there has been longstanding precedent regarding the Open Meetings Act, which has guaranteed for decades that 24 hours notice must be given on any committee meeting or legislative session. The GOP called a meeting and vote on the union-busting bill with two hours notice. The Democratic senators were out of state, but Dem House Minority Leader Peter Barca was there, and he immediately said on TV the law had been broken, and the trial judge saw that, and overturned the law. But these fucking GOP goons who have the one-vote majority on the supreme court said, nope, sorry, nothing was violated here....EVEN THOUGH IT BLATANTLY WAS.  So the Open Meetings Act, with decades of precedent, was overturned by activist judges....who the GOP will laud as heroes, because the only "activists" they hate are liberals who look out for the little guy.  

I hate Republicans so fucking much anymore. I never used to be like this. People are like, oh, Keith [Olbermann] is too angry, he should be more civil, blah blah. The biggest con game in history is the modern Republican Party's PR versus its actual actions, and the media almost never hits them for it, period. Keith should be angry. I'm angry. Liberal America is fucking up in arms.  These people are fucking horrible. Awful.  They don't give a shit about America. Their America is the type you'd see in a fucking Twilight Zone episode.

You see, Republicans yearn for the 1950s again because you could be openly racist, say "ni**er" and "spic" in normal conversation, and be anti-Semetic without any real repercussions. Now they sit there and use code words, and have their housepets like Michael Steele and Herman Cain, the only two black people they can point to and call Republicans, cause Colin Powell left the reservation in 2008 and is still strongly backing Obama. Powell has some pride. Steele and Cain don't, and even when they talk about their party's hypocrisy, it's in very subtle ways and they never blame the GOP for their own fucking actions.  Somehow, it's always the fault of Democrats or society that black people treat the GOP like the Black Death.

Republicans do not give a fuck. Period. And because they play scorched earth on everything, and because we, as liberals, like to be reasonable, and tolerant, we're always at a disadvantage, because it's always, ALWAYS easier to hate instead of love.  Sadly, America understands hate a lot better, which is why Republicans win so many fucking elections. We haven't figured out love for our fellow man nationwide, and it makes me hurt inside. 100 years ago, a conservative, a Republican (or a Tory in Britain) could care about human and workers rights too. They didn't want to be as restrictive on business, but Churchill and Teddy Roosevelt gave a flying fuck about the little guy and tried to make his life better in some way. Today? HELL NO. Conservatives are greedy bastards, and they've institutionalized greed in America, made it respectable, make it a goal of Americans. Insted of trying to pull yourself up, you just want to top Jim next store with a better car, better yard, bigger TV, etc., because God fucking forbid you be equal with anyone.

I don't know how we can stop this. I don't know if we can stop this.  But I have had it up to here.  I'm tired of being the nice guys.  I'm tired of us trying to set an example that 30% of the nation ignores and another 25% doesn't give a fuck about.  There's no playing nice with Republicans.  Bipartisanship is just a pretty word people use to win elections and then can never implement, because Democrats can never get Republicans to sign on to anything, while Republicans don't give a fuck about ever working with Democrats, nor do they give a fuck about bipartisanship, period.  We need to think every day that they don't care.  Also, while I hate to inject it here, Anthony Weiner, for all his faults in this stupid cockpic scandal of his, he fucking got it.  He took the fight to Republicans.  Alan Grayson took the fight to Republicans.  They get it.  They get that Republicans do not fucking care one iota about this nation.  They only care about power to install permanently their Christo-fascist-corporatist laws.  The last 30 years have gone like this.  Republicans come into power and fuck everything up, America finally gets pissed, elects Democrats, then get pissed they can't reverse a decade of deliberate destruction in two years, and then put Republicans back into power again.

We need to wake people up, and it's not going to happen, to quote JFK's assistant Kenny O'Donnell, by being "the blessed order of St. Mary the Meek."  We need to be hardasses.  We need to be angry.  We need to be angry like those teabagging idiots because that's the only way the press notices you.  We need to be angry because America is being raped and pillaged, and we might as well be facing a fucking invasion from China or Russia right now the way we're all being beaten into submission.  We need to start finding real liberals, real Democrats, people not beholden to the corporate gods, run them in elections, and always, ALWAYS make fucking sure that we make up a bigger percentage of their campaign money than the boys down on Wall Street, because the moment we stop being important, that's when we lose them.  

I'm tired of losing, losing the media war, losing the PR war, losing the real battles like Wisconsin yesterday.  2008 cannot be our watershed.  We've suffered some hard losses, but we need to get up and be driven and angry every day.  I wish we had a thousand Keith Olbermanns running things, because at least he fucking gets it.  I wish we had a thousand Alan Graysons, because he gets it.  And take away the proclivity for showing off that Weiner has and clone him too, because he gets that we need to FIGHT.  The DNC and Pelosi need to stop with this bullshit faux outrage and these calls for resignation, let the man get his personal house in order so he can get back to doing what they haven't done enough: stand up in public and call the Republicans what they are: greedy, hypocritical, faux-moralizing, corporate whores who don't give a flying fuck if the average guy lives or dies, has health care or not, has a job or not.  Enough infighting.  This is a WAR and we need to start acting like it.  They declared the war, we need to fight them with everything we have or we will lose America, and I pray to God I never see that day come.

Thu Jun 16, 2011 at 9:44 AM PT: Rec list AND Community Spotlight? Wow. I'm truly honored. Thank you all so much. I appreciate it. =)

I know some people objected to the tone, but in light of the likely resignation of Rep. Weiner today, we've lost our biggest fighter in Congress, and it's even more important that we all step up.

Originally posted to The Dreaming Tree on Wed Jun 15, 2011 at 01:42 PM PDT.

Also republished by Badger State Progressive, ClassWarfare Newsletter: WallStreet VS Working Class Global Occupy movement, Progressive Policy Zone, and Community Spotlight.

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  •  Tip Jar (189+ / 0-)
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    MikeTheLiberal, penguins4peace, Lorikeet, pyegar, NamelessGenXer, bkamr, bibble, alguien, Louisiana 1976, BobSmith415, SoCaliana, Poetic Mind, mpc 12, terabthia2, kevinpdx, Blue Dream, Railfan, pino, liz dexic, surelyujest, MKSinSA, fumie, cybrestrike, wayoutinthestix, rimstalker, liberte, alyosha, Words In Action, dmhlt 66, Wary, thePhoenix13, dewley notid, parkslopper50, kaliope, pirate1, Tookish, bablhous, Nisi Prius, Nebraskablue, satanicpanic, maf1029, bronte17, monkeybox, RWood, Seamus D, ajr111240, Rebecca, ogre, DianeNYS, TN yellow dog, Jake Williams, Black Max, Irons33, pengiep, Empower Ink, imabluemerkin, ainwa, scott5js, Dontstopbelieving, muddy boots, Miep, WheninRome, westyny, radical simplicity, deha, Anthony Page aka SecondComing, SaraBeth, tovan, parse this, OleHippieChick, zenox, jmrichardson, tomephil, jcrit, rogerdaddy, Eileen B, MartyM, FarWestGirl, Angie in WA State, Actbriniel, Kristina40, The Lone Apple, reginahny, Neon Mama, CamillesDad1, ruleoflaw, ppl can fly, wader, Robobagpiper, Pinto Pony, BlueInRedCincy, deviant24x, StPeteDave, copymark, PhilJD, boofdah, UkieOli, lyvwyr101, blue aardvark, JTinDC, blue71340, Iberian, ClickerMel, missLotus, bgblcklab1, h bridges, mollyd, Habitat Vic, dalfireplug, binkycat, SteelerGrrl, No one gets out alive, sentinalnode, pat bunny, chalatenango, banger, cybersaur, Cassandra77, MKinTN, frsbdg, Xapulin, maybeeso in michigan, Liberal Panzer, big annie, Curt Matlock, Only Needs a Beat, strangedemocracy, zerelda, jediwashuu, FindingMyVoice, janinsanfran, WoodlandsPerson, DeadB0y, tergenev, lorla, coloradocomet, Miggles, PBen, millwood, papercut, GeorgeXVIII, cloudbustingkid, lunachickie, DRo, knownasjohnwilson, aufklaerer, Lefty Coaster, Mentatmark, carver, Son of a Cat, Floande, cyncynical, DAO, northsylvania, greengemini, revsue, redlum jak, mrkvica, Gustogirl, gatorcog, Oaktown Girl, Meggie, luvmykona, jgnyc, dwahzon, zedaker, CA Nana, sullivanst, dotdash2u, a2nite, Marjmar, hkorens, arpear, Gorilla in the room, chicating, wdrath, Matt Z, Isara, suspiciousmind, Rashaverak, Badabing, Statusquomustgo, StellaRay, caul, 3goldens, ceebee7, science nerd, Oh Mary Oh, grey skies turning to blue

    I will respect the Republican Party the day they decide to start respecting all Americans....therefore, I will never respect the Republican Party.

    by wolverinethad on Wed Jun 15, 2011 at 01:42:56 PM PDT

    •  Tipped, recced and republished to (11+ / 0-)

      If you can play the cowbell, thank a sheet metal worker.

      by ruleoflaw on Thu Jun 16, 2011 at 05:25:57 AM PDT

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      •  Maybe those badgers have got some sack (0+ / 0-)

        because the liberals elsewhere surely don't.

        Go to war? Ha! The liberals aren't going to war. The current crop of liberals aren't capable of holding their own in a political bar fight, let alone go to war.

        The liberals can't even manage to keep one of their warriors from getting stabbed in the back by other members of the Dem party, no way the liberals are fit to fight the republicans.

        When the liberals have gotten to the point that they're willing to stand protectively astride any wounded allies while uttering the words "You'll shed his blood after you've shed all of mine", then come get me, because then they'll be ready to go to war.

        •  The 14 Democrats (1+ / 0-)
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          in the Wisconsin State Senate have more and bigger cojones than any hundred politicians you care to name.  Shit, Lena Taylor has a pair of brass ones in her purse the size of billiard balls.

          No lack of sack in Badgerland.

          On the other hand, Wisconsin Republicans are either shitheels or weasels, except when they're both.

          :0]

          If you can play the cowbell, thank a sheet metal worker.

          by ruleoflaw on Thu Jun 16, 2011 at 08:16:19 PM PDT

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          •  I meant the populace. (1+ / 0-)
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            What saves us now is numbers. Massive numbers.

            Those 14 are too few. Just look at how Barca was completely ignored and has not been rendered powerless by the wisconsin supreme court.

            We need the entire fucking state of wisconsin to grow enough sack to derail Fitzwalkerstan, and to do it before that spreads to other states, at which point it will take another popular uprising like the 60's or worse for the people to take power back from the moneyed elite.

            No lack of sack? That better be a fact.

    •  That's a little harsh (5+ / 0-)

      I'd settle for respecting, say, the majority. The Republican Party was once such a party even though I disagreed with it. Of course, the problem is the Democratic Party does not respect all Americans either though it is closer than the Republicans at this point. The Democratic Party today is the Republican Party of yesteryear--the Republican Party of today appears to be a cruel fantasy role-playing game.

      •  A little harsh? (3+ / 0-)
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        Damned right...too little. It took you two entire sentences to lay the problem on the Democrats.  Wow! such restraint!  If there are any Democrats at fault here it's those contemptible blue dogs.  Wolverine has it right I just think he is a little restrained.  None of this is going to change until we stop running around with our tails between our legs apologizing for our ideals.  The thugs need to understand that they cannot walk all over us with impunity.  Their actions must have consequences that HURT.  If you aren't willing to man the barricades then just slink over to your corner and huddle down and accept what the oligarchs deem as appropriate for someone of you diminished stature.

        "Suppose you were a heartless bastard, and suppose you were a Republican, but, .....I repeat myself." Mark Twain

        by spritegeezer on Thu Jun 16, 2011 at 10:34:58 AM PDT

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        •  He is a little restrained alright.... (0+ / 0-)

          ....the republicans are focused on their mission to ensure that Obama fails....pure and simple. If you watch them, they eat those republicans that don't demonstrate that they're commited to that mission.

          It's not that they've declared war on America but, they've declared war on Obama.

          America just happens to be in the crossfire and might well be a casualty of friendly fire.

  •  start with the complicit media (39+ / 0-)

    The only way to destroy the PROPAGANDIST MOTHERFUCKERS is to hit them where they live: Revenue.

    DON'T WATCH!

    DON'T CLICK!

    DENY 3rd PARTY COOKIES!

    DRIVE DOWN THEIR RATINGS!

    It is war. I'm in.

    "I don't do cowering." ~ Barack Obama

    by NamelessGenXer on Wed Jun 15, 2011 at 01:55:44 PM PDT

  •  Depends, we're not talking Yemen, are we? [n/t] (3+ / 0-)
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  •  Alrighty, we either all agree Yes or Hell Yes (8+ / 0-)

    So when do we stand up and take it to them?
    I don't think half meaures or quarter will cut it anymore.

    GreenGeezer@gmail.com for debate, complaint, BSing, venting, plotting planning, come on in. Also on Skype under Willard Chess.

    by GreenGeezer on Wed Jun 15, 2011 at 02:08:25 PM PDT

  •  i've been arguing with republican jerkrs on HP (12+ / 0-)

    a little today and i've reached your mental state soooooo...i say let 'em have it!

    hope springs eternal and DAMN is she getting tired!

    by alguien on Wed Jun 15, 2011 at 02:09:02 PM PDT

  •  Furor over healthcare access woke me up (32+ / 0-)

    that, and the hypocrisy of the Bush tax cuts. Then comes stripping away rights for workers in Wisconsin, Ohio, Indiana, Michigan. And the war on women. Rollback of child labor laws. Voter ID. Financial martial law.

    Yes, I've come to the conclusion Republicans are evil fascists with a strong streak of racism they barely manage to hide. And I'm fighting them with all I've got.

    Republicans don't fight fair. They learned to fall into line very young at the feet of their authoritarian parents, to never compromise and never admit they might be wrong.

    I don't want to be like that but we need to know our enemy and know this will be a long, hard fight. We need to have discipline & persistence.

    People--wake up.

  •  Put me down (16+ / 0-)

    I agree and let us start to get down to business of getting rid of every single one of these thugs who put the greedy over the needy and who work against the needs of the poor and middle class people every single day.

    There can be no truer principle than this-that every individual of the community at large has an equal right to the protection of government. Alexander Hamilton

    by Michelle Tiffany on Wed Jun 15, 2011 at 02:36:07 PM PDT

    •  We need to drown the R party in a bathtub to save (11+ / 0-)

      the country.

      Information is abundant, wisdom is scarce. The Druid

      by FarWestGirl on Thu Jun 16, 2011 at 04:53:24 AM PDT

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    •  I'm in (2+ / 0-)
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      This is exactly my mood. I'm tired of this meekness crap. Yeah Weiner was a jerk online, but dammit, you don't see our enemies (the R asshats) publicly pillorying their best fighters in front of the whole country.

      And fighting them means EVERYWHERE. We need to stop writing off sections of the country that 'well, they won that, so let's not fight there.'. That means:

      - court appointments  - stop jerking around with this. Fillibuster EVERYTHING they suggest. Fight like HELL to get every one of our people in place. Recess appoint everything.  Then figure out a backdoor way to get them in permanently.

      - FEC - stop acting like they are impartial referees. Politicize them. Fight for those seats with the same zeal we reserve for the Presidency.

      - the media - ditto. Stop acting like they're even supposed to be impartial. They aren't. They've been carrying water for the cons for decades. Fight for the seats. Stop shooting our own messengers. (Why does Ed have to offer abject apologies when fuckwit Glenn never does?)

      - Rush Limbaugh. He needs to be taken out. (NOT killed. He needs to stay alive so he can see his ruination.) And I mean removed from the airwaves, embarrassed and pilloried, bankrupted and jailed. He is the most evil American that has ever lived, and we need to take it to him. I have no mercy on that front.

      - State legislatures. The rules are to be written. Why do we always follow the fuckwits' rules about state level politics?

      - Boards of education. Why is ANY person who promotes Intelligent design and preaching in the public schools permitted to sit on ANY board in the country?

      EVERYTHING must be fought over. We are losing here, people. And, unfortunately, if the U.S. continues the way it goes, it isn't simply a matter of moving to another country. The whole world will become a much more dangerous, less hopeful place.

      In terms of civilization, we are Rome and the barbarians are inside the goddamned walls here. Stop raising points of order in the burning senate and pick up a fricken' sword.

      -- I share no man's opinions; I have my own. -Ivan Turgenev -6.75 -3.79

      by tergenev on Thu Jun 16, 2011 at 08:43:39 AM PDT

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  •  Here here! (10+ / 0-)

    Well said!  He's right, we gotta get riled up for 2012 people!  If we thought '08 was important, 2012 is even doubly so...

  •  Housepets? nt (2+ / 0-)
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    Saint, n. A dead sinner revised and edited. - Ambrose Bierce

    by pico on Wed Jun 15, 2011 at 02:52:35 PM PDT

  •  A Republican war on America (18+ / 0-)

    Hell yes!  The problem is that Obama and the Democrats have at best been afraid to acknowledge that war - a class war - let alone fight the war.  At worst have aided and abetting the enemy.

    Makes one ask - can a revolution of some sort be far behind?

    •  The DC Dems (13+ / 0-)

      are not on our side by and large - they do just enough to get our votes and money but that is about it.

    •  Bull shit! (0+ / 0-)

      Nice to jump here to target "Obama." "Revolution"? Are you Glenn Beck?

      "Corruptio Optima Pessimi" (Corruption of the best is the worst)

      by zenox on Thu Jun 16, 2011 at 04:35:12 AM PDT

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      •  Did you even read the comment you (0+ / 0-)

        replied to?

        I don't think so.

        In addition, if you're going to call people names, I'm going to assume you're only in 6th grade and your mother doesn't know you're on her computer.

        I like paying taxes... with them, I buy Civilization

        by Angie in WA State on Thu Jun 16, 2011 at 04:50:07 AM PDT

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        •  Sorry Angie (2+ / 0-)
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          I am just tired of this "blame Obama without evidence" thing. The man deserves better. I will not tolerate it. It probably would be better if I just ignored it.

          "Corruptio Optima Pessimi" (Corruption of the best is the worst)

          by zenox on Thu Jun 16, 2011 at 05:14:22 AM PDT

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          •  Evidence? (8+ / 0-)

            Are you fucking kidding me?

            He caved on the PO, the only meaningful component of HCR that would have truly started to drive down costs.

            He never fought the extension of the Bush tax cuts despite HIS cries about the deficit and the very real shift in wealth and income toward the top end earners.

            His DOJ has done little to nothing to go after the crooks on Wall Street, which should come as no surprise seeing as how he appointed Summers & Geithner to his team of economic big wigs.

            He freezes the pay of public workers while doing nothing to go after the tax cheats at the top of the heap - both corporate and individual - which cost this nation billions.

            He pushes fake education reform which attacks teachers and shifts more public ED money into private hands.

            He stood SILENT while WI, IN, MI, and OH assaulted organized labor, further undercutting the middle class.

            But do tell, just what "evidence" do you have that Obama has done anything of substance to benefit real working class families in this country, let alone the poor?

          •  What... evidence is lacking? (2+ / 0-)
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            Jeez, OFA is THAT way, bud.

            The Obama Administration is no different from the rest of the mainstream of the Democratic Party.  Namely NOT on our side.  If they were, recess appointments would have already been made for the many good people who were nominated for needed positions.

            If they were the Rules of the Senate would have been adjusted in January when it would only take a majority vote, to reduce the use of the filibuster.

            Evidence.  Well, there's none so blind as those who will not see, I guess.

            Yeah, imagine a skinny, beaky kid with an unfortunate last name, still trying to get approval and feel attractive and liked to cancel out all those other years growing up. - FarWestGirl

            by Rick Aucoin on Thu Jun 16, 2011 at 07:01:52 AM PDT

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            •  He can't make a recess appointment w/o THE RECESS (1+ / 0-)
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              And he did appoint someone through a recess appointment, the guy running the civil rights division at Justice, whose name escapes me right now.

              But McConnell is keeping Reid from recessing the Senate officially, thereby keeping Obama from being able to do it.

              As far as changing the rules of the Senate, well, yeah, they fucked that one up, but that wasn't the President's fault.

              I will respect the Republican Party the day they decide to start respecting all Americans....therefore, I will never respect the Republican Party.

              by wolverinethad on Thu Jun 16, 2011 at 09:48:39 AM PDT

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              •  President didn't push for it. (0+ / 0-)

                Believe me, that was a BIG deal for me, watching to see if they'd change the rules of the Senate, after two years of lockstep obstructionism and "60 votes to do anything".

                I watched to see who pushed for it, and who didn't.

                And the silence from the White House was deafening.'

                Now, on the subject of recess appointments, you gonna tell me the Senate hasn't recessed in 18 months?

                Yeah, imagine a skinny, beaky kid with an unfortunate last name, still trying to get approval and feel attractive and liked to cancel out all those other years growing up. - FarWestGirl

                by Rick Aucoin on Thu Jun 16, 2011 at 12:39:46 PM PDT

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                •  They haven't been recessed since the idea of.... (0+ / 0-)

                  putting in Warren as a recess appointment.

                  The Republicans hate her. They've blocked it time after time. And the moment the idea of a recess appointment came up, they stopped a recess from happening.

                  I will respect the Republican Party the day they decide to start respecting all Americans....therefore, I will never respect the Republican Party.

                  by wolverinethad on Sat Jun 18, 2011 at 04:30:42 PM PDT

                  [ Parent ]

  •  Something In the Air (15+ / 0-)

    We have to get organized to push back. It has been obvious for some time that the Republican base just doesn't want to play nice. Or think for themselves, or come to any table and compromise. So I say, fuck them. I so want Obama to take off the kid gloves, pass legislation hell or high water, don't give a rat's ass whether or not they agree. No compromise. I admire his ability to be calm and collected but America is going down fast.

    Thunderclap Newman Something In The Air (vintage pop)
    www.youtube.com

  •  Any battle plans for your next moves? (9+ / 0-)

    btw this is not me saying "you naive fool, what do you think you can do" this is me saying "you're right, I'm curious what you will do now"

  •  I'm in (nt) (7+ / 0-)

    Just in case you forgot today: REPUBLICANS VOTED TO END MEDICARE. AND THEY'LL DO IT AGAIN.

    by slippytoad on Wed Jun 15, 2011 at 07:01:47 PM PDT

  •  Step One... (5+ / 0-)

    Take that Right Turn America ad against Janice Hahn, and mix it up a bit.  Use the same "Give me your cash, bitch" theme; instead of Janice Hahn's face on the stripper, put the face of Rupert Murdoch there; instead of two "homeboys" singing the song,  I think animations of Boehner & McConnell, or Romney, or Palin singing it would be cool.  And this would be only the first variation; there are lots of "bitches" and "perps" you could feature in a similarly-formatted web ad.  Anybody game out there who's good with Flash?

    "Do I have any regrets about the hard votes I took?" No. Not at all...and I never will. --Mary Jo Kilroy

    by Kurt from CMH on Wed Jun 15, 2011 at 07:02:32 PM PDT

  •  I think its outright treason. (22+ / 0-)

    When they come right out and hope for our government to fail for their own political advantage I think that has gone past the loyal opposition to outright treason.  They have pretty well admitted they are bought and paid for by the rich and the corporations.  By their actions they are doing everything they can to help them and destroy the middle class and the whole idea of America.  They have no compassion or caring for Americans who are not of the rich and powerful.  Most of us just don't count to them.  That is so against what I always learned as a child was the whole idea of our country that it is sickening to me.  Our country's saying was E Pluribus Unum, out of many, one.  That was pretty much the motto of the country from the time it was founded until 1956.  That expresses what America is really supposed to be about.  In other words I agree with what you are saying wolverinethad.  Unless we start doing something our country is doomed.  I just hope it is not already too late.  It is us, not the Tea Party pawns that need to take back our country.  We need to take it back from the rich, the corporations, the oligarchy, who have pretty much had it their way for too long.  We see what they consider important and its obviously that the rest of us are just seen as a waste of space to them.  On top of being morally reprehensible it is idiotic also.  Without the rest of us doing well there will be no demand to power the economy to make them even more money.  Improving our nation, our educational system, our infrastructure, getting everyone jobs, modernizing the power grid, making a major conversion to sustainable energy, and providing universal health care for our people would only end up helping them too in the long run.  In their blind greed they don't see that.  It has became, to too many of them a zero sum game.  For them to profit the rest of us must lose.  Insanity.  It has become obvious that they want us to have a two class society.  The powerful and the rest of us living in service to them.  As it is we are already the only major country where our younger people(and the figures say pretty much everyone under 50) are receiviing worse educations than their parents did.  We pay more for our healthcare than anyone else in the world yet the quality of that healthcare is falling yearly.  Now they want to pretty much do away with medicare.  They should expand Medicare to everyone and put controls on the costs.  Pay some money for some teachers and let's educate our children properly.  Why should we spend all our money on wars around the world?
    Let's spend the money on us and not just give it to the rich and the corporations. They will get it eventually anyway but let's strain it through the people's hands first.  We can all be better off.  Somewhere I heard, Yes, We Can.  I hope that is true.

    As long as I wake up breathing everything else is a bonus. Sometimes not much of a bonus but still a bonus.

    by pirate1 on Wed Jun 15, 2011 at 07:06:48 PM PDT

    •   " I think its outright treason." (3+ / 0-)
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      It's always been treason.

      Ever since they stopped the vote count in Florida.

      Ever since a loyal member of their party selected Bush for the White House-it's always been treason.

      Their betrayal of the people in this country is appallingly blatant-and your comment is sadly-accurate.

       Improving our nation, our educational system, our infrastructure, getting everyone jobs, modernizing the power grid, making a major conversion to sustainable energy, and providing universal health care for our people would only end up helping them too in the long run.  In their blind greed they don't see that.  It has became, to too many of them a zero sum game.  For them to profit the rest of us must lose.  Insanity.  It has become obvious that they want us to have a two class society.  The powerful and the rest of us living in service to them.

      This is the game-plan-and that is how they see it.

      They do see people's lives as a game they have the right to play-and play with.

      They always have.

      The audacity of arrogance-and the triumph of colossal ignorance.

      Unless we fight back-they have doomed us as a country.

      In their war against this country-we are-literally-the last-and only line of defense.

      And we must hold this line-or surrender all to them.

      I refuse to hand these arrogant-ignorant fools my country.

      No retreat-no surrender-sign me up.

      "A liberal is a man or a woman or a child who looks forward to a better day, a more tranquil night, and a bright, infinite future." ~Leonard Bernstein

      by lyvwyr101 on Thu Jun 16, 2011 at 07:56:20 AM PDT

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  •  Republicans have opted out. (7+ / 0-)

    We owe them nothing.

  •  Emotion Laden Baloney (0+ / 0-)
    I hate Republicans so fucking much anymore. I never used to be like this.

    You, we lose with this approach.

    "I don't feel the change yet". Velma Hart

    by Superpole on Wed Jun 15, 2011 at 07:24:59 PM PDT

    •  Irrelevant. (14+ / 0-)

      Whether we hate them or not.  The diarist's analysis of the situation is correct.

      Democrats think they're sitting in a boardroom negotiating politely.  Republicans think they're on a battlefield taking territory.

      The heart is a bloom, shoots up through stony ground/But there's no room, no space to rent in this town

      by SouthernLiberalinMD on Thu Jun 16, 2011 at 05:29:27 AM PDT

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      •  God damn right! The GOP has seen this as a (7+ / 0-)

        war for decades. Until Dems also see it as a war, a war for the very soul of this country, we are destined to be destroyed.

        The GOP sincerely believes the left is a literal threat to the future of this nation. Thing is, it's all based on on irrational fear and willful ignorance. That is extremely dangerous. In realithy, it is the GOP who pose a very real threat not only to the future of this nation, but to the planet. And we have plenty of evidence to show it.

        All Dems in congress need to stop this nicey nicey, "oh we're all Americans, we just have differing opinions" crap. If they cannot see this as a war then they are every bit as delusional as the rightwingers.

        Ds see human suffering and wonder what they can do to relieve it. Rs see human suffering and wonder how they can profit from it.

        by JTinDC on Thu Jun 16, 2011 at 06:34:51 AM PDT

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        •  Absolutely correct- (3+ / 0-)
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          God damn right! The GOP has seen this as a war for decades. Until Dems also see it as a war, a war for the very soul of this country, we are destined to be destroyed.

          This is a war-and people really do need to understand that.

          "A liberal is a man or a woman or a child who looks forward to a better day, a more tranquil night, and a bright, infinite future." ~Leonard Bernstein

          by lyvwyr101 on Thu Jun 16, 2011 at 08:17:35 AM PDT

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    •  It's not anger we need (4+ / 0-)
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      but organizing. This, in my view, is not going to happen anytime soon but it has to happen in a big way. With a tight organization boycotts, strikes (including the general strike), and disruptive actions can start. These tactics, rather than elections, are what ought to be instituted. Power comes from the ability to project force -- at this time in history if you can't do that then you are on the sidelines and progressives are on the sidelines right now.

      •  Anger is the most potent fuel for organizing (5+ / 0-)

        Or did you think the American Revolution was fueled by flow-charts?

        -- I share no man's opinions; I have my own. -Ivan Turgenev -6.75 -3.79

        by tergenev on Thu Jun 16, 2011 at 08:47:40 AM PDT

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        •  This is not the 18th century (0+ / 0-)

          Anger usually leads to weakness in this particular world if the only way to overcome the oligarchs is through calculation and planning. Brute force is out of the question the disparity in arms is a lot different than it was in the 18th century.

          Anger may be appropriate and natural under these circumstances so we pause and observe it and move on. We are faced here with not only a need for social reform but even more dramatic psychic reform, i.e., internal politics. To fight the power we need to have the discipline and focus of the Jedi or at least something in that direction.

  •  check this out... (7+ / 0-)

    Take a look at "The Shock Doctrine" by Naomi Klein, written in 2007--but it was so prescient it's scary.  

    It's all about free-market fundamentalism--which these fanatics call "freedom," but oddly enough, actual voters in a democracy seem to dislike when it happens to them.  Thus the need for the very heavy handed tactics.  You know, they think it's for your own good, so they have this free market utopia (which requires lots of dirt cheap labor).

    And actually compared to Chile and Argentina, we are getting off light.  They have not sicced the military on us. Yet.

  •  A really bad taste (1+ / 0-)
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    "You see, Republicans yearn for the 1950s again because you could be openly racist, say "ni**er" and "spic" in normal conversation, and be anti-Semetic without any real repercussions. Now they sit there and use code words, and have their housepets like Michael Steele and Herman Cain, the only two black people they can point to and call Republicans, cause Colin Powell left the reservation in 2008 and is still strongly backing Obama"

    And I was afraid we'd never get our own Rush! But I I get it, you think Republicans are slime.

    This, however, is beyond the bounds—outright vituperation, irrational jeering, sleazoid name-calling in the midst of a temper tantrum. There are black, Jewish and Hispanic Republicans. To call them "house pets" is itself offensively racist—to me, as a liberal, it is offensive. It is offensive to spit on them as anti-semites and racists—I find that offensive. It is also terminally dumb, unless the idea is just to make certain that those Republicans absolutely, unmistakably understand the boundless depths of the perfect contempt with which the left regards them. That should be helpful.

    And in the end, what I find most offensive of all is the sheer self-aggrandizing gall of a political hack writer who claims, who knows, beyond any shred of doubt, that all right, all justice, all goodness is on his side—his opponents are literally beneath contempt. Gott mit uns! Fiat iustitia ruat caelum!

    If this is supposed to be "my side," I'm going to need to find someplace to stand where the stink of this  self-righteous rhetorical halitosis doesn't float downwind. Actually, I'm going to need to find someplace where I can be sure no one could possibly confuse my politics with the sort of brainless sputtering this diary purveys.

    But I'm sure that all the mini-Marats and self-appointed Dantons this stuff is aimed at will be happy to fill the tumbrels with Republicans—all in the name of liberty, fraternity and equality.

    •  You totally missed the point (9+ / 0-)

      That's how THEY think. I am pointing out how THEY think. I do not feel that way. In fact, if you'd read the comments above, you'd have seen me explain this. I'm not a damn racist, nor am I brainless. I said what the next steps are, too, and they are constructive ones.  It's important to explain in stark, clear terms what they are like, so we know how we have to approach it.  And if you don't think that party isn't full of racists, who cheers their minorities only so they can claim they aren't racist, when their practices and politics of the past decade prove, time and time again, DISTINCT racism, then you are blind, and I am sorry for that.

      Thank you for your faux moralizing. You can go join the rest of our leadership that's throwing Weiner under a bus because he likes taking pictures of his cock. I'm done with playing nice, with trying to be "the better person."  The game has changed, sadly, and you have to win first. Then you can play nice. We have a lot to change, a lot to fix, and a lot of dirt to clean out, but it means getting dirty first.  We didn't start this, but by god, we have to finish it.

      I will respect the Republican Party the day they decide to start respecting all Americans....therefore, I will never respect the Republican Party.

      by wolverinethad on Wed Jun 15, 2011 at 10:00:28 PM PDT

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      •  I'm sorry (0+ / 0-)

        "And if you don't think that party isn't full of racists, who cheers their minorities only so they can claim they aren't racist, when their practices and politics of the past decade prove, time and time again, DISTINCT racism, then you are blind, and I am sorry for that."

        This is as stupid as Limbaugh screeching that the left is nothing but a bunch of commies who want to confiscate all wealth, along with all guns, and run a workers paradise, just like Cuba. If you can't see that, well, I guess he feels sorry for you, too.

        I stand by all I wrote last night. You smear it as faux moralizing because you don't recognize the genuine article. I feel sorry for you. I don't think you understand the least thing about U.S. politics, and certainly nothing about actual Republicans, as opposed to the straw men you set up to knock down.

        In that course, you determinedly poison of waters. And your excuse is: "We didn't start this, but by god, we have to finish it."But, mom—he hit me first! Brilliant strategy. I imagine it will at least as well as it did when you were six. And I'm sorry you don't seem to have much advanced in your thinking since then.

        As for Weiner going under the bus—so far as I'm concerned, he deserves his fate. Monumental imprudence gets punished in politics—for him not to understand that demonstrates a serious character flaw. I won't be at all sorry to see him go.

  •  Bring back the 50's? Absolutely!!! (4+ / 0-)

    O'Reilly, Hannity...Glenn?  91%, clowns.  Let's have it!!!

    Koch Brothers...let's open the books, boys.  TIME TO PONY UP!!!

    ...and you...Goldman, Sachs...time to break you into pieces.  Time to give up the commercial lending.  Oh, and I almost forgot...time to lawyer up.

    What 50's are you talkiong about?

    My book idea: I go back in time, translate "Atlas Shrugged" into ancient Hebrew and give it to Jesus for his Bar Mitzvah present...and follow his life's much different trajectory. Working title: Shrug This...

    by etlingjm on Wed Jun 15, 2011 at 08:01:12 PM PDT

  •  don't blur "don't comprimise" vs "be unethical" (5+ / 0-)

    I agree that bipartisanship with a party that does not actually want compromise is a stupid idea (it bought us a health reform bill that didn't reform a thing, and ended up with Democrats "owning" a bill that was written mostly by Republicans insisting on changes to it to win them over when they knew they weren't ever going to vote for it anyway - they were just using this tactic to get the Dems to water the bill down.)

    I agree that sticking to the base is the right response, not trying to seek a nonexistent middle ground.

    But I don't agree that we should do anything it takes - that is an attitude that will be used to justify the Dems pulling the same dishonest dirty tricks the Republicans have pulled.  Just because they lie and cheat doesn't mean we should respond in kind.  THAT is a key difference between us and them and if it stops being a difference we lose a lot of the support we have.

    I care first and foremost about honesty and openness in government.  If both parties start to have the same attitude that these things don't matter - if the Democrats adopt the same lying tactics as as the Republicans, then I won't want to support them.

    For example, when the Republicans in Wisconsin put fake dems on the recall ballots to delay them there was talk of the Dems doing the same back to the Repubs.  That would have been monumentally stupid seeing as how the difference between the two partys' willingnesses to play dirty is seen by the voters in Wisconsin at the moment as one of the chief issues in the recalls.

    Don't compromise, don't give ground, and don't move toward the center.   But absolutely do NOT lie cheat and steal just because the opposition is.

    •  I never said cheat or lie (8+ / 0-)

      But we have to be brutal, we have to be completely honest, we have to stop saying things like "misleading" when they lie, we have to stop acting like they care when clearly they don't, we have to stop playing a bipartisanship game when we're the only ones in the room, because they don't want to play that game.  We need to stop trying to get them to sign on to things, and use every legislative procedure at our fingertips to shove through reform, since we saw in 09-10 that their only goal was to block EVERYTHING.

      No, we don't have to cheat and lie, but we do have to stop pretending like they have morals. They don't. They only know power and we have to treat them accordingly.

      I will respect the Republican Party the day they decide to start respecting all Americans....therefore, I will never respect the Republican Party.

      by wolverinethad on Wed Jun 15, 2011 at 10:04:00 PM PDT

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    •  exactly right. (3+ / 0-)
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      the truth is one of the few assets we have.  we should not abandon it.

      The heart is a bloom, shoots up through stony ground/But there's no room, no space to rent in this town

      by SouthernLiberalinMD on Thu Jun 16, 2011 at 05:40:32 AM PDT

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      •  What we need to do is start using the truth (2+ / 0-)
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        as the powerful weapon it should be. Bludgeon these lying bastards over the head relentlessly with as much force as can be mustered. They have used lies successfully and we have got to disarm them of that weapon. It's ridiculous that we ever let them get away with that in the first place.  

        Ds see human suffering and wonder what they can do to relieve it. Rs see human suffering and wonder how they can profit from it.

        by JTinDC on Thu Jun 16, 2011 at 06:44:43 AM PDT

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  •  From out here on the left coast (3+ / 0-)

    It seems apparent that the Prosser "victory" was just too damn convenient and the Supreme Kangaroo court decision is about as legitimate as one from a third world country already run by Shock Doctrine troops.

    Hanging chads revisited. Fixed. Same shit - Different day.

    Declare war, don't declare war, vent some, march, chant, bang some drums and then what?

    I'm serious. What is to be done? Recall them all and you win the battle but the war is being lost one day at a time.

    Burn, baby, burn is too '60s and an invitation for bad authoritarian things to happen to innocents - but a general strike might work.

    As if that'll ever happen..

    An imbalance between rich and poor is the oldest and most fatal ailment of all republics - Plutarch

    by Anthony Page aka SecondComing on Thu Jun 16, 2011 at 12:31:04 AM PDT

  •  Don't be surprised if the recall elections (4+ / 0-)
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    have "suddenly found" Republican votes appear the day after the elections that keep the REpublicazis in power. They found out that nobody does anything if they cheat, that no real action is taken to prevent them from doing it again, and no one has the guts to prove they really did steal the elections. Didn't you guys learn ANYTHING from Prosser's magic 7K votes?
    I'm tuned out of your recalls and petitions and angry blogs that don't change anything ... if I hear the sound of frequent gunfire in the streets of Wisconsin, and see government buildings burn, and watch crooked politicians get hung from tree limbs, then I'll tune back in again to see what happens. Otherwise I'm wasting my time just watching the left lose and lose and lose and lose....

    Living in the spaces between the boxes other people are thinking inside of...

    by fourthcornerman on Thu Jun 16, 2011 at 01:27:21 AM PDT

  •  Here it is... (1+ / 0-)
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    We need to start finding real liberals, real Democrats, people not beholden to the corporate gods, run them in elections, and always, ALWAYS make fucking sure that we make up a bigger percentage of their campaign money than the boys down on Wall Street, because the moment we stop being important, that's when we lose them.

    Campaign finance reform is often put forward as the answer to this problem but maybe it goes even deeper.

    Maybe anyone who wants to be in Congress or the Presidency is by definition unfit for the job.

    They are in it for money or power--to fill a sick need in their soul.  Seriously, of all the people in Congress, how many can you name who are there because they are trying to make other people's lives better?

    Perhaps instead, the presidency should be a ceremonial role, and Congress should be chosen by lottery.  1 term, you get paid what you were earning in real life, and your employer is required to take you back when your service is over.

    Color me disgusted

    We kidnap. We torture. It's our policy. Embrace it or end it!

    by Mosquito Pilot on Thu Jun 16, 2011 at 03:57:55 AM PDT

    •  The striving, the hubris, should be a disqualifier (2+ / 0-)
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      Maybe anyone who wants to be in Congress or the Presidency is by definition unfit for the job.

      Anti-imperialist, anti-capitalist socialist roader here.

      by OleHippieChick on Thu Jun 16, 2011 at 04:00:51 AM PDT

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    •  Don't miss the point of politics (1+ / 0-)
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      I don't think that people in Congress are necessarily unfit for the job, rather it is the job that most of us misunderstand. The job of politicians is not to "lead" but to broker power. That is, their job is to make a realistic assessment of the real forces that are arrayed on the political playing field and try to come up with a balance that works for them.

      Progressives are down on pols because they think that politics is about dueling sermons. It isn't. It is about power--the power to hurt your enemies such that they don't fuck with you and help your friends so they are nurtured by you. Progressives need to use force, not votes, to pressure the politicians. This is the point, in a way, of this diary. To do that the left needs to organize tightly and achieve solidarity around some common ground and then strike hard: boycotts, general strikes, disruptions and so on. Of those targetted and disciplined boycotts are the most powerful. Anybody gives money to the Tea Party---see to it that no one does business with them. Media won't cover your issues? Do what the Israel lobby has done for years -- get teams of callers to harass your opponents until they will think twice before toeing to the Washington consensus. Newsrooms hate phone calls and it more important to call the media than the politicians.

  •  Today's GOP (8+ / 0-)

    ...is not really the "Republicans" wolverinethad. A whole bunch of 'real' Republicans have already crossed over to our side even though they won't publicize it. What we have instead is the "worst of the worst" (willful ignorants) that has been "elected" to power in federal and state governments by the use of corrupt money and media. The deceit machine is what we need to target, not our fellow Americans who are "Republicans." We cannot have a healthy democracy with one party thus political differences are necessary and healthy. Thus I offer a point of view in which we target "deceit" and corruption instead of political opposition. "Bipartizanship" is not a bad thing. In a nation like ours (United States) it is necessary to work in unison to solve our problems. No one political doctrine or point of view alone can have all the answers.

    But I hear your anger and I agree with you. I too am angry and fed up. The target of my anger however goes deeper than just "Republicans." It is the "deceit" machine that ownes our media, supreme court and the congress (plus the state govs.) at the present time. "Foxnews" is an enemy of American democracy. Most of our media, including msn, is daily churning out psyops manipulation "news." They use "LANGUAGE" to manipulate the hapless public who has no idea what is being done to them. As the ones who are aware of this monstrosity, we indeed have a duty to fight. We must know our target correctly, though. It is not "Republicans" or "Democrats" but "deceit." Do we have the power the expose it? Yes. Never, ever give up.

    Count me in.

    "Corruptio Optima Pessimi" (Corruption of the best is the worst)

    by zenox on Thu Jun 16, 2011 at 04:31:02 AM PDT

  •  I'm A Fighter (2+ / 0-)
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    I've always been that way -- giving back as good as I get and more just to teach someone not to start with me in the first place. I agree with the observation that the modern Republican Party does not see nor respect reason or diplomacy, they see every action as another excuse to use brute force to get what they want.

    Our side is the more thoughtful one, the one that considers the consequences to all sides before making decisions. I think that this is a good thing but like all things should be done in moderation. When someone is punching you in the face and kicking you when you're down, you are obligated to make them stop so that you can live to negotiate some ceasefire. At the very least, the GOP and Teabaggers have to fear us a little bit to give them pause. Right now they have no fear at all and openly mock us -- this has got to change.

    This head movie makes my eyes rain.

    by The Lone Apple on Thu Jun 16, 2011 at 05:22:14 AM PDT

    •  Agree Lone Apple - While I Don't Agree With (1+ / 0-)
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      sinking to the level of the Rethugs by lying and cheating, progressives and Democrats have got to take off the kid gloves and fight fire with fire.  The corporate owned  right wing is waging a war against the average citizen because they simply don't want to pay their fair share of taxes - they are arrogant, greedy, selfish, jealous, and think they don't owe America anything. Which is why they want to destroy the social safety net (greed), take rights away from union workers demanding a fair deal for workers (jealousy), and gut regulations that put the brakes on their greed and recklessness (arrogance). I am in wolverinethad!!

  •  i thought after what happened to Giffords (1+ / 0-)
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    we weren't supposed to speak in the language of war and violence?

  •  Only 1/8 of workers are Union, so not best issue (1+ / 0-)
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    to rally the troops.  If you take the union members who are not progressive, say 40%, then even smaller percentage to build your army around.  Sorry, but from a strictly numbers perspective, not that many people care about unions anymore.  Granted the voice is passionate.

    http://www.bls.gov/...
    UNION MEMBERS -- 2010

    In 2010, the union membership rate--the percent of wage and salary workers who were
    members of a union--was 11.9 percent, down from 12.3 percent a year earlier, the U.S.
    Bureau of Labor Statistics reported today.

    Some...spoke with strong and powerful voices, which proclaimed in accents trumpet-tongued,"I am beautiful, and I rule". Others murmured in tones scarcely audible, but exquisetly soft and sweet, "I am little, and I am beloved"." Armandine A.L. Dupin

    by Kvetchnrelease on Thu Jun 16, 2011 at 05:44:30 AM PDT

    •  You know why they don't? GREED (1+ / 0-)
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      As I said, Republicans made greed good. With unions, you're a large group of equals, but freed from those "constraints," you're free to upstage everyone around you and make driving yourself into debt just to be materialistically "better" a virtue.  It's a sick, sick world, and the more I think about it, the more I feel the entire thing was a plot from the beginning.  Once we're vulnerable, broken off from unions, in debt, we're easier to control and deceive. Makes me sick.

      I will respect the Republican Party the day they decide to start respecting all Americans....therefore, I will never respect the Republican Party.

      by wolverinethad on Thu Jun 16, 2011 at 09:56:37 AM PDT

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  •  Rant on brother (0+ / 0-)

    I'm with you. Tipped, rec'd and tweeted.

    GOP: Pre-born, you're golden. Pre-school, you're screwed. -unknown Twitter user.

    by BlueInRedCincy on Thu Jun 16, 2011 at 05:45:09 AM PDT

  •  Well done citizen media events (2+ / 0-)
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    going viral on web can do quite a bit to force our messages into mainstream view.

    It sure beats taking to the streets as the FIRST move.  We must become the change we are waiting for.

    Tea partiers still get more media than their numbers and manufactured angst deserve.

    Well planned and exstremely clear message, one per event, especially if it blends in enough humor to make it irresistable to the 24 hour blatherers.

    Like the incorporate my uterus, and Republicans want you to die faster, and throw granny off the cliff --- they couldn't resist replay.  

    I think it is "American Spring" time, a peaceful insistence on nation building our own nation.  Romney succeeded by killing companies and American jobs -- too bad for him that FIRING CITIZENS won't make America rich. Nor would tying us to his car's roof rack be a good family plan. Hammer on his bottom of the barrel job stats as Mass Governor.  He's a repeat offender job killer. Failed us already, don't let him fool us again.

    If all America has left to sell to the world is military hardware and training them to kill each other more efficiently then we are really doomed.

    "Putting our women in virtual burkas"
    is a good plan for the divide and conquer mentality that has always worked to pit us against each other.

    We either help each other together or hang alone.  If we don't use our talents -- we'll surely lose the use of them.

    De fund + de bunk = de EXIT--->>>>>

    by Neon Mama on Thu Jun 16, 2011 at 05:57:45 AM PDT

  •  Righteous Rant--and I'm with you! (1+ / 0-)
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    We need to fight these assholes, even if it takes the rest of our lives (which it probably will--they never will stop fighting for their ideal of a cryptofascist state, and we shouldn't stop fighting for a free and just society).

    Proud owner of an unincorporated uterus. :)

    by boofdah on Thu Jun 16, 2011 at 05:59:29 AM PDT

  •  Yep, you said it, I know it and how many (3+ / 0-)
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    of us realize that we are losing to the party of greed and hate?
    They are ruining this country...it's been true for a long time...it's just amazing how the bad guys are winning
    We are ignorant and lazy and far too easy to manipulate.
    Where are our leaders...I have worked for candidates and written letters to the editor and spoken my mind...but we need stronger voices...people with guts and ideas, who are not bought by the corporations.
    A new party?  Are there enough of us?

    Are you telling us that, in some alternate timeline we're part of a team that travels to other planets and defends Earth against alien invasions?--Dr. Samantha Carter

    by UkieOli on Thu Jun 16, 2011 at 06:10:02 AM PDT

  •  Conservatives are always on the war path (1+ / 0-)
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    It is not their fault if we choose only to get off our duffs from time to time.

    Ancora Impara--Michelangelo

    by aravir on Thu Jun 16, 2011 at 06:20:27 AM PDT

  •  i'm joining you - but how many Democrats will come (1+ / 0-)
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    with?  

  •  Republicans & Global Corporations (1+ / 0-)
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    The GOP wouldn't have so much power to destroy the US were it not for the corporations who fund them and write their policy platform.

    "My father always told me that all businessmen were sons of bitches, but I never believed it until now." - JFK during the 1962 Steel Crisis

    by Betty Pinson on Thu Jun 16, 2011 at 07:05:06 AM PDT

  •  Not war, just politics (0+ / 0-)

    I think the left in this country somehow believes that politics is about, as I've said over and over, dueling sermons. Politics (and I will repeat this over and over) is about the ability to help your friends and punish your enemies (Christ said love your enemies not "don't have enemies") for their own good of course. The left in general and progressives in particular are out of the loop almost entirely in the current political system of arrangements.

    First thing is to organize into tight units. This has two virtues it allows for discipline in mass actions and, if you lose, you will have a community that will give you succor. Since we are headed towards neo-feudalism unless things change this could be a really good thing that may keep our children safe from the predations of the corporate elites who think nothing of enslaving people for their personal pleasure (I have reason to believe this).

    The first sorts of actions should be carefully targetted boycotts on the one hand and on the other a concerted effort to do business only with people who are willing to stand on the left. This is a time for militancy which is what this diary is about. But it must not be angry or negative  militancy but a militancy based on building new institutions such as unions, cooperatives, and communities of interest. There is no alternative. Some of us, if we don't see any movement on the part of the left in this direction, will be forced to ally ourselves with Libertarians who at least oppose war and the emergent police-state the skeleton of which is in place so we don't have much time.

  •  Great post, wolverinet had! (1+ / 0-)
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    You get it.  Are YOU going to run?  Because it's people like you that are angry and not afraid to say so that we Dems need to be electing.  We can't change anything unles we ourselves are willing to put ourselves out there and be the change we demand.

    •  I can't run. I have "pictures" (1+ / 0-)
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      Some ex-girlfriend might show them, and that's just not allowed in our party!

      I would love to run. I really would. From the bottom of my heart, I would love to. I have a good deal of public speaking experience and a polisci/history bachelor's degree from the University of Michigan (hence the "wolverine" distinction).  Sadly, my personal life has enough checkered spots that I'd draw attention that'd inevitably hurt others, or someone would use the opportunity to hurt my family.

      Life's a bitch, and I do what I can.

      I will respect the Republican Party the day they decide to start respecting all Americans....therefore, I will never respect the Republican Party.

      by wolverinethad on Thu Jun 16, 2011 at 10:00:30 AM PDT

      [ Parent ]

  •  Cautionary Note - Flash in the Pan Politics (1+ / 0-)
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    Over the years this theme is constant.  

    The anger is great.  As they say, if you ain't upset, you ain't paying attention.  

    But that bromide has been around since at least Teddy Roosevelt.

    The problem we face is that too many people see the need for things to change, get emotionally cranked up over it, and when things don't immediately change, get depressed and quit.

    That is why things basically take so long to change.  The leaders of the Democratic Party are essentially people who have been around long enough to see this play out in every election cycle.  Thus, they tend to be hard to impress.  

    What works is what can be sustained.  Over the past 50 years if you really look into the mechanics of history, progressives have mostly gotten used to protesting.  To an extent, it has become more comfortable for some to wait until things get sufficiently fucked up.  Then, there is cause for protest and it can be like a homecoming rally.  

    This cycle has to be changed and that will take serious thinking about how organizing has traditionally been done, and how campaigning is done.  Innovation is really long overdue in these systems.

    But nothing will change as long as the excitement of finding something to be angry about dissipates as another flash in the pan.  That is as perennial as summer and winter.  

    hope that the idiots who have no constructive and creative solutions but only look to tear down will not win the day.

    by Stuart Heady on Thu Jun 16, 2011 at 08:26:49 AM PDT

  •  I'm with you! (0+ / 0-)

    I'm ready to go spread bullets through my lovegun throughout this country. I am sick and tired of selfish Republicans. I am sick and tired of their schemes and games, the way they cut off necessary funds through union dues to support progressive principles. How would they like it if we confiscated their means of funding Republican candidates? Well, that is what they did to us when they cut off automatic union dues being taken out of checks and funnelled to progressive candidates. Hardworking families don't have the time to donate directly to progressive candidates. That is why it was so important to have those donations directly taken out of our working families checks and funnelled to progressive candidates. I am as pissed off as you, as a gay man and a gay American. I'm with you and ready to come out blasting with my lovegun.

    I am living proof that a person living with AIDS can still enjoy the passion of lovemaking. AIDS is no longer a death sentence!

    by knownasjohnwilson on Thu Jun 16, 2011 at 09:07:00 AM PDT

  •  Where do I sign up? (0+ / 0-)

    Are we doing Primary Challenges?

    Who do I shout down?

    Can I, as a Methodist Christian, get elected and yell at the Christianist Right for killing gay children?

    I think that might raise some hackles.

    An Fhirinn an aghaidh an t'Saoghail.

    by OllieGarkey on Thu Jun 16, 2011 at 09:10:52 AM PDT

  •  Venting vs effectiveness (0+ / 0-)

    I've been opposing all Republicans since the Regan days.

    However, there is a differece between the most effective way of expressing the opposition and the most satisfying feeling when you express that opposition.

    The people we need to persuade are people who voted for Republicans last year (as well as people who didn't vote).

    Corporations are people; money is speech.
    1984 - George Orwell

    by Frank Palmer on Thu Jun 16, 2011 at 09:37:55 AM PDT

  •  We need a plan to go forward. I'm ready to (1+ / 0-)
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    work but we need a plan.  How do we do this?  Some here have said to team with with the unions.  I don't know.  Blogging isn't enough.  

  •  It will start (0+ / 0-)

    With those that have nothing to lose. Oct 1, in MI, Snyder is cutting off all cash assistance to anyone who has received benefits for 48anyone months, in a lifetime.
    Women and children will be homeless. This is real, and DHS has not even notified the people that are going to be affected.
    Our opportunity to join is with the people losing their ability to live. If they fight on their own, they will fail. If we join and demand that people not be taken off until they get a job, we are doing what we should be doing.
    Civil Rights would not have been achieved without White and middle class help.
    The fight will not originate by choice, but by necessity.

  •  Takeover of Freedom Plaza, D.C..... (0+ / 0-)

    Sept 6th.

    This is being promoted as America's Tehri Square -- not a one day protest, but a camp-out.

    I was hoping the word would be getting out more than it has thus far, so may not amount to much....

    But if people are interested, google "Freedom Square D.C. Sept 6".

  •  I've been angry for a long time. Glad you (0+ / 0-)

    all are finally catching on.

    I am the fellow citizen of every being that thinks; my country is Truth. ~Alphonse de Lamartine, "Marseillaise of Peace," 1841

    by notdarkyet on Thu Jun 16, 2011 at 10:15:43 AM PDT

  •  Shit...some people objected (2+ / 0-)
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    because of the tone? Well fuck that shit.
    Tipped and rec'd in large part because of the tone!

  •  AFter the 2000 elections and during the (4+ / 0-)
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    2004 campaigns, I decided that I would no longer sit at community or school events and let republicons ramble on about how horrid democrats/democratic candidates are.  They'd go on and on, spouting generalizations and blatant lies and everyone around wanted to be nice and let them go on and on.  
    Well, enough.  And you know what?  As soon as you come back with FACTS (and you don't need great depth or detail, just the basics) they often shut up.  Just don't let them get away with things you know are not true.  And demand that they stop personal attacks (like saying John Kerry is stupid, etc.)or you will one-up each time and give an example.  And then ask just what any of that is supposed to accomplish beyond their ability to call names like a 3rd grader.
    All of a sudden, we go to sit at school events and watch the kids in peace and quiet.  
    I've used that tactic at car dealerships waiting for repairs, in the local parks....it works.  And sometimes a REAL conversation starts afterwards.  
    We can't let them have the floor all the time because we want to "be nice" or "civil" because that does not work.

    "If you go all day without hitting or biting anyone, it was a good day." Patrick, age 4

    by Meggie on Thu Jun 16, 2011 at 10:17:19 AM PDT

  •  Right on! (0+ / 0-)

    Liberal does not mean weak.

    I would like to point out that "going to war" is often code for a suspension of common considerations, using the rules strictly for your own benefit.

    The GOP has been doing that, and will continue to do that.

    I don't know if they would ever stop.

    So I worry about the end game on a tit-for-tat kind of response, but I worry more about what they are doing right now.

    Great diary.

    IF THEY ARE GOING TO SCREW THE PEOPLE, MAKE THEM OWN IT. #opengeekorg

    by potatohead on Thu Jun 16, 2011 at 10:29:11 AM PDT

  •  So what's the plan? (0+ / 0-)

    On the off chance anyone is reading this late in the diary cycle: Are there any other ideas besides GOTV and retake the House in 2012? (which is always a good idea but not new)

    We need a vision of what we're for, not just who we're against. What's our "New Deal"? Deficits don't matter, jobs do. Government can do some things better and cheaper. To the tax cut deficit group thinkers in the punditocracy: We tried that. A lot. It doesn't work or rather it hasn't worked yet not even once.

    But how to spread these ideas door to door? We'll never have the corporate backing, we've lost control of the Supreme Court for the foreseeable future.

    If you didn't like the news today, go out and make some of your own.

    by jgnyc on Thu Jun 16, 2011 at 10:40:14 AM PDT

  •  Thanks nt (0+ / 0-)

    The radical Republican party is the party of oppression, fear, loathing and above all more money and power for the people who robbed us.

    by a2nite on Thu Jun 16, 2011 at 10:59:52 AM PDT

  •  Republicans just seem to be flipping the bird (1+ / 0-)
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    at you, me, and the American public more and more these days.

    They, apparently, simply don't care at all what people think, perhaps because they know that they have access to unlimited money, thanks to five of the most corrupt Supreme Court Injustices in American history (in their
    Citizens United decision/in-kind contribution to the Republican Party).

    This particular progressive has been on a boycott of the Republican Party for a long-time now (that is to say that anyone that even accepts the Republican nomination for any office will never get my vote). However, they continue to flip the bird at us all, with their increasingly obstinate, corrupt tactics and behavior in seeking and keeping power.

    Democrats aren't perfect, but the Republican party is more and more repulsive to this American citizen with every passing year.

  •  I wish I could do more...eom (0+ / 0-)

    "You have three friends in your life. God, your Mama, and the Democratic Party...I'm not so sure about your Mama." --Alan Grayson

    by chicating on Thu Jun 16, 2011 at 11:43:01 AM PDT

  •  Some would rather not fight, that's a problem (0+ / 0-)

    They usually frame it as the two parties, and thus President Obama, as being the same. One would think that intelligent people would know better, but everyone is entitles to his/her opinion.

    "There is nothing more dreadful than the habit of doubt. Doubt separates people. It is a poison that disintegrates friendships and breaks up pleasant relations. It is a thorn that irritates and hurts; it is a sword that kills.".. Buddha

    by sebastianguy99 on Thu Jun 16, 2011 at 12:09:51 PM PDT

  •  Came in late to this diary.... (1+ / 0-)
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    Tip'd, rec'd, and stole a line for my sig (with appropriate attribution of course) if that's okay ;-)

    "I wish we had a thousand Keith Olbermanns running things, because at least he fucking gets it" -- wolverinethad

    by caul on Thu Jun 16, 2011 at 05:50:04 PM PDT

  •  Badly needed diary...I'm in! (1+ / 0-)
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    Just pains me to have to give credit to a Skunkbear ;)

    Charity is no substitute for justice withheld. -- St. Augustine

    by 3idirish on Thu Jun 16, 2011 at 06:32:58 PM PDT

  •  I want to see the elections (0+ / 0-)

    The outcome of the elections, and the Republican voter suppression techniques will tell the tale for the United States.

    There are only, apparently, only a small majority of Americans that care enough about the real Constitution (as opposed to the fake, Republican version), and about why America has long been regarded as mankind's last greatest hope.  The rest of the country will take their news from Fox, or when it's too late, or whatever, but the Republicans count on them.  And on keeping the small majority who care from voting them out.

    So it seems to me that the most important thing, in the near term, is to make sure that the majority who care gets to vote.  No doubt the state party is doing just that.

    And there's a lot more for the majority to learn.  This union stripping bill got their attention big time, but there is so much more to understand about what is happening too our country.  

    How can you explain to people that it is NOT fair to tax everybody the same rate, (income tax) and even if it WAS, it wouldn't be smart.

    There has been war in the United States, more than one war.  There have been simultaneous civil wars waged against the common man.  

    The seventy year war against the New Deal is one.  

    Another is the more than 100 years war against reconstruction, the notion of civil rights. posed by the KKK, and now the tea party war.  

    And the more than 100 hundred years war against constitutional guarantees for religious freedom and against religious tyranny.

    And the current Republican war brings all of these elements together for the benefit of the holders of unseemly private wealth, and multinational corporate forces.

    Good luck to us all.

    Planning a vacation or convention in Arizona? Come to Palm Springs instead! Same desert weather, none of the bigotry.

    by grey skies turning to blue on Sun Jun 19, 2011 at 05:11:25 AM PDT

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