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I used to listen on occasion to the morning shows (Morning Joe, Chuck Todd)on MSNBC since I heavily enjoy the programs in the evening. Ever since the 1st presidential debate....they have truly jumped the shark.  All I keep hearing is the narriative around Romney this and that....Romney has momentum...etc.  For example listening this morning they introduced the latest results of the NBC/Marist poll which had Romney up 3 nationally and mentioned CO was tied but Nevada was "stubbornly" holding for Obama.  

Answer this, why when Obama improves in a state poll he's "stubbornly" holding on, but if Romney is up he has all of this momentum.  Nevermind that Obama is up in most of the swing states (more importantly 5+ in Ohio), the Obama/Biden team took the last 3 debates and several credible news organizations and blogs have debunked the "Romney has momemtum" narrative.

Maybe some of you can help answer these questions for me.

What dog do they have in the hunt in pushing this narrative/a Romney presidency?

How can women continue to vote against their best interests?

How stupid will we (women) be when we wake up one day in a Romney presidency and realize ALL of our rights are gone?

When I hear women say...I am voting for Romney because he can get me a job/can help the economy I just want to scream.  Its like have you not looked at all the indicators that the economy IS improving?  To me "equal pay for equal work" IS an economic issue, that Romney clearly doen't care about/would get rid of.

Okay off my soapbox....

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  •  Two words: Citizens United. Since corporations (8+ / 0-)

    became people, they now can manipulate the electorate.  NBC, like every other media outlet, has a board of directors and a CEO.  That is what is driving the narrative.

  •  I assume you mean the ABC/WaPo poll (2+ / 0-)
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    has Romney up 3 nationally.

  •  Even Chris Jansing had a Gallup talker on who spun (5+ / 0-)
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    it for Romney. Just now.

    You can't make this stuff up.

    by David54 on Fri Oct 26, 2012 at 07:50:20 AM PDT

    •  Yes (2+ / 0-)
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      Well I watch too now lately.  Just to see how low they can go.  They know the numbers.  We know the numbers.

      They need a horse race.  These last two weeks is prime advertising time.

      "There are four boxes to use in the defense of liberty: soap, ballot, jury, ammo. Use in that order." Ed Howdershelt

      by Lava20 on Fri Oct 26, 2012 at 07:52:38 AM PDT

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      •  Listening to D. Gregory and C. Todd is frankly (3+ / 0-)
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        hilarious, but also very annoying.

        You can't make this stuff up.

        by David54 on Fri Oct 26, 2012 at 07:55:17 AM PDT

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        •  I (3+ / 0-)
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          know.  They speak with gravitas but I have seen Rachel and Lawrence bite their cheek or almost laugh at some stupid shit with the numbers.

          When Joe was pissed about regular polls, they had another older guy explaining Intrade and he wouldn't follow lead that markets aren't reliable.  Joe kept saying it was just one market and didn't reflect the "ground" Obama is losing.  And the guy kept saying that the markets were really good at predicting odds.

          Lol!!

          "There are four boxes to use in the defense of liberty: soap, ballot, jury, ammo. Use in that order." Ed Howdershelt

          by Lava20 on Fri Oct 26, 2012 at 08:03:46 AM PDT

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          •  David Gregory was talking about C0 and NV and (7+ / 0-)

            he said that there was great concern about the debt to gdp ratio and that this was a big issue in the West. Etc.
            His "reporting" always seems to be a full recitation of gop talking points.  Ditto Igor. I mean C. Todd.

            You can't make this stuff up.

            by David54 on Fri Oct 26, 2012 at 08:11:33 AM PDT

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            •  that's hilarious (4+ / 0-)
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              I am sure the people that clean up the hotel rooms in Vegas are really worried about the debt to GDP ratio. I would suggest turn off MSNBC until 4pm except for Alex Wagner at 12.

              •  Hey (0+ / 0-)

                she is the only one who does not annoy me.  In fact, I do turn it off and just watch her until prime time lately.

                And the reporting.  Vegas is a service city.  The dirtbags don't realize that checkout times aren't at least until 12?

                "There are four boxes to use in the defense of liberty: soap, ballot, jury, ammo. Use in that order." Ed Howdershelt

                by Lava20 on Fri Oct 26, 2012 at 08:36:30 AM PDT

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              •  I usually don't see much in the ams. Just for fun. (1+ / 0-)
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                You can't make this stuff up.

                by David54 on Fri Oct 26, 2012 at 08:37:20 AM PDT

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                •  tweeting them on their idiocy is great fun. (1+ / 0-)
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                  Other than that--just know they are GOP shills raking in the advertising dollars for that side of the ticket.

                  And if you ever forget just what is most important to these pundits (hint: paycheck $$) check out the difference between what Eugene Robinson has to say in the morning versus what he has to say in the late afternoon.

                  If the plutocrats begin the program, we will end it. -- Eugene Debs.

                  by livjack on Fri Oct 26, 2012 at 08:55:16 AM PDT

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  •  $ is the reason. As reported today, both campaigns (6+ / 0-)

    are nearing or surpased $1 billion each in campaign contributions, most of which will be sunk into advertising. Elections have never been so profitable for media outlets and it is in their best interest to keep this thing close. Joe, and even more, Todd are going to look silly come the morning of Nov. 7.

    •  No (3+ / 0-)
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      they won't.  The mission is completely.  They got people to watch.  

      The douchebags like Todd on MSNBC aren't even close to the Evil Overlords at Faux News.

      "There are four boxes to use in the defense of liberty: soap, ballot, jury, ammo. Use in that order." Ed Howdershelt

      by Lava20 on Fri Oct 26, 2012 at 07:54:34 AM PDT

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  •  They're trying to help the gop hang onto the House (3+ / 0-)
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    because if the Dems win they'll set in solving our problems and politics will become boring with much less fireworks.
    That will be bad for cable tv.

    You can't make this stuff up.

    by David54 on Fri Oct 26, 2012 at 07:53:39 AM PDT

    •  Welcome to the world of MSNBC mornings/afternoons (2+ / 0-)
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      ...where Romney's and Republicans' mistakes are nothing to worry about, but their successes are soaring rendtiions of Mozart.

      On the other hand, it's a place where Obama's first performance has caused an infinity multiplier of Romnesian momentum while the President stubbornly holds on to leads, trying to "slow the leak of white male voters in Ohio until just past Election Day" and where Obama's successes are only blips on the page and mentioned as a passing after-thought.

      Shameful...

      •  Good alternative. (0+ / 0-)

        I have found Soledad O'Brien on CNN of all places, on opposite Morning Hoe and my mornings have improved greatly.

        She digs when people give her word salad and tells them when they are not telling the truth.  Try it and see.

  •  How many times.... (1+ / 0-)
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    Do people need to hear this: national polls don't matter right now. It's about state polls in five states and we're winning - allegedly

  •  what galls me the most (6+ / 0-)

    is how badly Romney lost the last debate, and yet they stopped talking about it two days afterwards and went back to talking about his fake momentum.

  •  I don't watch MSNBC or listen to it (6+ / 0-)

    during the early morning/afternoon.  I start watching at 4:00p.m. - 11 p.m.

    To all my ancestors who have moved from "sense to soul", a mountain of gold could not repay you.

    by rubthorn on Fri Oct 26, 2012 at 07:53:51 AM PDT

  •  It seems that some people are just wired different (1+ / 0-)
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    Some people respond to lies better than others, it would seem. That's what keeps billions pouring into advertisting. "As Seen on TV" sells a lot of junky products, after all.

  •  I too don't understand women voting for Romney, (5+ / 0-)

    or ANY version of a republican these days.  Frankly, I'm also furious with the seniors on SS and medicare (and maybe with guaranteed pensions too) voting to voucherize medicare and privatize social security.  I'm 45 today.  How in the hell am I supposed to ever retire in 20 years if I have to shop for medical insurance with my "granny groupon" that will only cover a fraction of the premium?  

  •  I stopped watching news in the AM.. (5+ / 0-)
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    If enough people stop watchign MSNBC in the mornings perhaps they will get the message.

    "We need a revolution away from the plutocracy that runs Government."

    by hangingchad on Fri Oct 26, 2012 at 07:55:26 AM PDT

  •  Scar knows it is over... (8+ / 0-)

    Sorry but Ohio is going for Obama so just get over it... so is Iowa Wisconsin and Nevada.... guess what .... GAME OVER.

    I don't care if Romney gets a few more votes in the south... it doesn't matter.

    Tell the truth without Ohio Romney is done and there is NOTHING out there to make you believe he has any chance at all in Ohio.  JUST SAY IT

  •  The cure: Stephanie Miller (5+ / 0-)
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    on Current TV.  Do they stream yet?  

    If not, listen to Stephanie Miller in the a.m.  

  •  CurrentTV (1+ / 0-)
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    If you have Current TV available, you can watch Bill Press & Stephanie Miller.  It will keep your blood pressure down.....

  •  NBC National Poll? where? (0+ / 0-)
    For example listening this morning they introduced the latest results of the NBC/Marist poll which had Romney up 3 nationally

    "Priebus? Priebus? damnit man! get thee to Twitter"

    by EcosseNJ on Fri Oct 26, 2012 at 08:06:49 AM PDT

  •  I switch to Sportscenter, Thanks ESPN. (0+ / 0-)

    So I see only tatters of clearness through a pervading obscurity - Annie Dillard -6.88, -5.33

    by illinifan17 on Fri Oct 26, 2012 at 08:08:36 AM PDT

  •  Morning Joe (1+ / 0-)
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    I feel sorry for Mika over at Morning Joe.  Sometimes they surround that table with guys only slightly more intelligent than the crew they get for the Don Imus show on Fox Business.

    •  I don't feel sorry for her at all (0+ / 0-)

      No one is forcing her to show up at Morning Joe every morning.  She's doing it because they're dumb enough to pay her $2 Million a year to show up.

      "It is never too late to be what you might have been." -- George Eliot

      by paulitics on Fri Oct 26, 2012 at 08:39:13 AM PDT

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  •  The morning shows do annoy me. (0+ / 0-)

    However they are informative in that they show a bit of what the "other side" is saying and doing and I don't need to go full wingnut by listening to Faux News.

    As much as I prefer the shows coming after 1pm PST I listen to the morning shows just to keep up on what the nuts are saying.

    Sarcasm: It beats killing people...

    by Dreggas on Fri Oct 26, 2012 at 08:21:45 AM PDT

  •  Let me put it to you this way: OH+WI+NV (0+ / 0-)

    How has the Morning Show undermined Obama's lead in those states?

    There has been no change, so far, in the polling in any of those states.

    If Obama wins those three, he wins election.

    When we were ahead, people at DailyKos said to fight like we were behind. When we were behind, people at DailyKos said to give up.

    by NoFortunateSon on Fri Oct 26, 2012 at 08:36:13 AM PDT

  •  I stopped watching all cable tv shows during the (1+ / 0-)
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    2004 election.  I got better information without the spin through blogs and other Internet news sites.  I only watch those shows when there is a really big event or when there is really good news for the blue team (e.g., the Supreme Court decision on the ACA).  I would suggest that you don't watch for the next several days unless there is an unequivocal breaking of the LV/GOP polling dam in favor of Obama (which will happen btw....signs are already there).

    Alternative rock with something to say: http://www.myspace.com/globalshakedown

    by khyber900 on Fri Oct 26, 2012 at 08:36:22 AM PDT

  •  When things are not good (1+ / 0-)
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    economically  social issues slip down the priority list in voters minds.   You gotta have a roof over your head and food on the table before  you worry about abortion, gun control, immigration, etc etc.  It's one of those elections- people are voting their own economic interests  and like or not the perception is that Obama owns the economy after 4 years.

    •  Fair enough, but things would have been worse ... (1+ / 0-)
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      ... under McCain, just as they would be far worse under Rmoney. But that is a more difficult argument to make to desperate people, I am afraid.

      I believe a lot of the anti-Obama attitude is purely emotional, and specifically based on fear. If we can point out that Mitt's policies represent a return to the same things Bush the Dumber did to wreck the economy and run up the deficit, and that Obama has prevented a major Depression from occurring, that might be enough to get rational minds to prevail. One can only hope anyway.

      Things ARE slowly getting better. We can either stick with what's barely working, as SNL said, or take a chance on a guy who can't be trusted to stay consistent with his basic principles for seven days straight.

  •  I ' ve had my fill of MSNBC AM shows! (0+ / 0-)

    Im not the only on in my circle who just dont turn it on anymore. They are decidedly pro Romney and doing their best to push his election. They dont present one good policy or positive history of the man. They are republican from morning joe all the way through the Cycle with that silly SE Cupp.

    Prejudice is a shadowy mist, which in our journey through the world often dims the brightest and obscures the best of all the good and glorious people and objects that meet us on our way. L. Shaftesbury

    by Maggie524 on Fri Oct 26, 2012 at 08:43:04 AM PDT

  •  Corporate America is on the same team (1+ / 0-)
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    Wal-Mart, Verizon, and the non-banking parts of GE would greatly benefit from better Wall Street regulations, yet none of them favor candidates who support that. Their profits would skyrocket if gas was $1 per gallon cheaper, but they don't say one word about speculation.

    "A cynical, mercenary, demagogic press will produce in time a people as base as itself." - Joseph Pulitzer

    by CFAmick on Fri Oct 26, 2012 at 08:46:31 AM PDT

  •  A part of me actually (0+ / 0-)

    thinks it means  we are WINNING!  They are doing whatever they can to try and keep this thing close. I  remember feeling similarly in 2008 and that they  were trying to manipulate me into thinking that McCain had a chance despite all the things  that went wrong for him. I think the same is true today. Now, I don't like it and  I want to throw things at the TV whenever I hear Todd/Gregory/Halpiren speak, but I take solace in  the idea that if  the tables were turned the other way and Obama was behind, these shills would try to   make it seem like it was close  and that the democrat was closing the gap too.

    Just a thought, nothing scientific about it.

  •  Luke Russert is the worst of them all (2+ / 0-)
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    and that is quite a feat to accomplish.

    He has such a smarmy, smug, fake and amateurish presentation that it is hard for me to believe that MSNBC allows him on the air.

    His faux  news-voice is so over-the-top that it comes across as a little boy playing newscaster.

    As bad as Chuck Todd is, and he is pretty bad, at least he is somewhat polished and professional.

    It is time to end the Luke Russert experiment.

  •  May I speak up for Alex Wagner (1+ / 0-)
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    I find her very informative and intelligent .. I do enjoy her show ...

    Morning Joe is really bad .. and the Cycle is terrible because SE Cupp just poisons the whole show ....

    I love Martin Bashir .. he will not let people get away with false facts!  

    One of my worst complaints with MSNBC is that several of the shows have Ron Williams the rudest nastiest piece of work .. sometimes I think he worse than Rush ... yesterday he was on the ED Show and it was terrible. HIs mike should have been cut off .. he wouldn't let anyone talk ... and it didn't help that he said women's health issues were small ball and should not be part of the issues ....

    I do not know one person ..one single person ...that gives a sh!t the national debt ... job recovery, yes, but the debt NO!

    Give your heart a real workout! Love your enemies!

    by moonbatlulu on Fri Oct 26, 2012 at 09:43:41 AM PDT

  •  My personal CT is the pundits' corporate masters (0+ / 0-)

    ... are ordering them to push the "Mittmentum" meme out of all proportion to what the actual facts show, in a real attempt to profit from the increased attention the close horse race framework gives them.

    In all honesty, I wouldn't want them to distort the news our way either, but the continuing dismissal of pro-Obama polls and the promotion of favorable Rmoney numbers is enough to make any reasonable person suspicious about the narrative we're getting from the MSM.

    Maybe the most useful thing I've heard in a while is something a guest on O'Donnell's "Last Word" show said the other night, which was simply that -- right now -- it's probably best to just ignore ALL of the polls and figure that the race is likely going to stay tight right up to the end.

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