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I have one particular acquaintance who just can't get over the fact that President Obama won the election. Yesterday she accused me of being full of hate and anger.  She also berated me for gloating over the election saying that I should just let it go already. Perhaps she should take her own advice and just let it go. Talk about projecting and dwelling on the outcome of the election. She posted this tonight:

Clicking on the link brought me to the White House website where there a petition looking for people to sign it. Now because I watch The Rachel Maddow Show, I already knew that this was a feature that the Obama White House offers because Rachel did a segment about one of those petitions. Not only is President Obama's team good a running campaigns, they are actually good at governing too.

The petition program is called We The People: Your Voice in Our Government and the stated purpose is: "Giving all Americans a way to engage their government on the issues that matter to them." Anybody can put up a petition and if it gets 25,000 people to sign the petition, then the final step is:

The White House Reviews and Responds

Once the petition reaches the required threshold, it will be put in a queue to be reviewed by the White House. Others can still sign the petition while it is awaiting a response from the White House. When the White House responds, everyone who has signed the petition will get email from the White House to let you know that we’ve reviewed and responded to the petition.

The particular petition I was being asked to sign was posted by an American Citizen who is demanding a recount in the presidential election. What? That doesn't surprise you? Yeah, it didn't surprise me either. But, the premise made me curious. Here's the petition:
we petition the obama administration to:

Recount the election!

It has become blatantly obvious the voter fraud that was committed during the 2012 Presidential elections. In one county alone in Ohio, which was a battleground state, President Obama received 106,258 votes...but there were only 98,213 eligible voters. It's not humanly possible to get 108% of the vote!

If ID laws had been enforced (which the administration is completely against because that meant they would lose) then this wouldn't be an issue.

Recount NOW!

They've already received over 3,000 4,000 signatures in one day (the number grew that fast while I was writing this diary). You know that they will not have any problem finding 25,000 people to sign the petition. The thing is, if they would just read this diary I can tell them right now what the response will be.

(1) It has become blatantly obvious the voter fraud that was committed during the 2012 Presidential elections.

Yes. Fraud was committed. Unfortunately for the writers of this petition, it was two Republicans who were arrested. If somebody wants me to sign a petition, I expect them to provide evidence of the claims they are making or I won't be signing. Seriously? Two cases out of how many millions of ballots? And both Republicans? Wow!

In Nevada, 56-year-old Roxanne Rubin, a Republican, was arrested on Nov. 2 for allegedly trying to vote twice, the Las Vegas Review-Journal reported. The newspaper quoted a report by an investigator with the Nevada Secretary of State’s Office that said Rubin “was unhappy with the process; specifically in that her identification was not checked.”

Rubin allegedly voted at one polling location in Henderson, Nev. on Oct. 29 and then went to another voting location in Las Vegas to try to vote again. Poll workers told her records indicated she had already voted, but Rubin allegedly told them she hadn’t. A poll worker reportedly overheard Rubin tell another man that she had “signed my name differently, and they did not ask for ID.” She was arrested at the Riviera Hotel and Casino in Las Vegas and charged with a category “D” felony.

On Tuesday in New Mexico, a Republican poll watcher was taken into police custody after also apparently trying to test the system. According to the Las Cruces Sun-News, the man voted, then obtained a second provisional ballot and announced he was simply “testing the system to see if people could get away with voting twice.”

Santa Clara, N.M. Police Chief Lonnie Sandoval told TPM the suspect’s name would not be released because the investigation was ongoing. He expected to complete the investigation by today and send the report to the district attorney, who would ultimately decide whether to bring charges.

“From what we understand, he was trained by the Republican Party,” Sandoval told TPM. The Grant County Republican Party did not respond to a request for comment.

Republicans ‘Test’ For Voting Fraud, Wind Up In Custody

(2) In one county alone in Ohio, which was a battleground state, President Obama received 106,258 votes...but there were only 98,213 eligible voters. It's not humanly possible to get 108% of the vote!

Oh my! That's terrible. I wonder why they didn't name the county? Oh never mind. I know how to use Google. It turns out that this supposedly happened in Wood County based on this quote:

Mr. Obama won Wood County in Ohio this year. That’s right, Mr. Obama won the majority of Wood County’s 108% of registered voters. That’s not a typo.

In 2012, 106,258 people in Wood County are registered to vote out of an eligible 98,213.

Secretary of College Democrats Morgan Holliger chimed in, “We won Wood County, we won Ohio.”

Mr. Obama did indeed win Wood County, along with its 108% of voters.

Good News: Obama Won County in Ohio with 108% Voter Registration

You know, we really do need to improve our educational system if we're producing people like this who can't do basic critical thinking nor basic arithmetic. If you click the second link in that article it takes you to a page with a table at the end listing each county. And indeed, the table indicates that Wood County, Ohio had 106,258 registered  voters on 9/2/2012, and the last column indicates that the voting age population is 98,213. So we know where they got the numbers for the claim. But where did those numbers come from? Source: Plain Dealer analysis of Ohio Secretary of State and U.S. Census Bureau data.

So what does the U.S. Census Bureau have to say about Wood County, Ohio?

So the last census data was for 2011. Somebody at The Plain Dealer must have done some multiplying to determine what the current population in Wood County is in 2012. And without the variables they used, it would be difficult to determine exactly how they came up with the voting age population of 98,213. But here's the thing? How do we know the math was correct? How many of the 106,258 registered had died and not been removed from the voter rolls yet? (Remember the 30,000 dead people on the voter rolls in North Carolina?) It takes time to get those people off the rolls. That doesn't mean anybody tried to vote for them. How many of the 21.3% who were under the age of 18 in 2011, actually celebrated their 18th birthday? Look at the growth rate compared to the rest of the state. Is there something going on in Wood County that is causing people to move there faster?

Irrespective of what the actually voting age population in Wood County was, the only question we need to answer is how many people in Wood County actually voted. And that is an easy question to answer. Just look it up at Google where a colorful map is provided. Click on a state, and then within the state you will find the vote breakdown for each individual county.

Now please correct me if my arithmetic is wrong, but the way I learned to add: 31,596 + 28,997 + 896 equals 61,489. Oh the horror! The fraud! Call the police! Only 57.87% of the 106,258 registered voters in Wood County actually voted! What happened? The one sentence the author of the petition was correct about:  It's not humanly possible to get 108% of the vote! Perhaps that's why only 57.87% of the people on the voter rolls actually voted. Or if you want to go with that 98,213 number of citizens of voting age, it's still only 62.61%. It certainly isn't anywhere near 108%. But hey, arithmetic is hard for some people.

(3) If ID laws had been enforced (which the administration is completely against because that meant they would lose) then this wouldn't be an issue.

Good grief! I'm a white woman who lives in another swing state, Florida. And guess what? After standing in line to Early Vote, I was not handed a ballot until I had swiped my Driver's License in the machine, and then handed it to the clerk who compared the signature on it to the signature I provided in order to get the ballot. Once again, correct me if I'm wrong, but didn't the objection to the voter ID law in Pennsylvania have to do with the fact that it was enacted so soon before the election that voters did not have time to actually obtain the ID they would need to vote? Talk about something that was not humanly possible! And Ohio does have a Voter ID law just like Florida. What evidence does this petitioner provide that voters weren't required to show their ID when they voted?

And as Think Progress points out about the two cases of Voter Fraud quoted in (1) above:

There are many reasons why in person voter fraud — the “problem” these voter ID laws purport to solve — is virtually non-existent. Most people accept the principle of “one person, one vote” and don’t try to cheat the system because doing so is morally wrong. Others recognize that doing so is illegal and do not want to risk being charged with a category “D” felony. And with more than 121 million votes cast in Tuesday’s presidential election, voting twice would be a hugely inefficient way to influence the election.

While polls initially showed statewide support a voter ID measure in Minnesota, once voters learned that such a measure was unnecessary (no one has ever been convicted of voter impersonation in the state’s history), would create hurdles that could keep citizens from voting, and would potentially cost the state millions, it failed with nearly 54 percent of voters refusing to back the effort.

Why Republicans Caught Committing Voter Fraud Show Photo ID Laws Are Unnecessary

Did I mention that the acquaintance that posted that petition on Facebook lives in Minnesota? I wonder if she voted for that ID Law in Minnesota that would have cost her state millions?

I'm almost tempted to sign the petition just so that when it reaches 25,000 signatures I could receive the email the White House sends out to all the people who sign it. I'm curious if their response will contain any of the information that I have provided here. On the other hand, the White House may take the less wordy, shorter route and just inform the people who sign the petition that it is the states that run the elections and that their petition would more appropriately be addressed to the Secretary of State of whichever State they want recounted because they believe there was voter fraud. Anyway, if you happen to see somebody you know post that petition on Facebook, or send it to you in an email, I've done the arithmetic so you don't have too.

Poor, poor Republicans. How the little bombs must be constantly going off in their heads after this election and the sweeping gains that Democrats made, especially here in Florida. I received an email from the Florida Democrat Party yesterday:

Despite being outspent four to one, Florida Democrats re-elected President Obama and Senator Bill Nelson, added four more Democrats to Florida's Congressional delegation, and broke the GOP supermajority with historic gains in the Florida Legislature.
Yes! I'm gloating! I worked hard for this! I deserve to gloat! Speaking of those little bombs, I think it's time to watch Charles Blow explain what that particular phenomena happens.

If you missed this on Last Word with Lawrence O'Donnell back in July, the transcript and full segment is in this diary: Charles Blow Explains What Makes Little Bombs Go Off In Republican Minds.

Originally posted to hungrycoyote on Sat Nov 10, 2012 at 08:57 PM PST.

Also republished by Do You Know Why We Vote On Tuesday.

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  •  P.S.: If you are as angry as I am about (16+ / 0-)

    the voter suppression efforts and the mess our election system is in (yes, I am angry about something); please consider joining the group I started today: Do You Know Why We Vote On Tuesday? Just post a request in a comment below, and I will send you an invite.

    “Mitt Romney is the only person in America who looked at the way this Congress is behaving and said, ‘I want the brains behind THAT operation.’ ” — Tom Perriello

    by hungrycoyote on Sat Nov 10, 2012 at 09:15:27 PM PST

  •  I went to look... (5+ / 0-)

    ...at the petition and had the same thought you had, maybe I should sign so that I could get the email response pwning the petitioners that will certainly be forthcoming.

     These wingnuts sure are sore losers. Really putting up a petition with baseless accusations and pathetic CT bullshit? Wow, I overestimated our opposition.

    "Good to be here, good to be anywhere."~Keith Richards

    by bradreiman on Sat Nov 10, 2012 at 09:22:34 PM PST

  •  Lived in Bowling Green, Wood County (10+ / 0-)

    for many years. It was 1 of 5 red counties that went blue in 2008. Good to know that it is now a tradition.

    When you're born you get a ticket to the freak show. When you're born in America, you get a front row seat. George Carlin

    by Zwoof on Sat Nov 10, 2012 at 09:34:37 PM PST

    •  Do you know if there is something going (2+ / 0-)
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      on there that would have caused their population to grow by 8,000 in a year?

      “Mitt Romney is the only person in America who looked at the way this Congress is behaving and said, ‘I want the brains behind THAT operation.’ ” — Tom Perriello

      by hungrycoyote on Sat Nov 10, 2012 at 09:46:58 PM PST

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      •  8000? (3+ / 0-)
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        Are you playing with the vomit?

        Isn't that number taken from this pile of spew?

        In one county alone in Ohio, which was a battleground state, President Obama received 106,258 votes...but there were only 98,213 eligible voters. It's not humanly possible to get 108% of the vote!
        I can't find an increase in population of 8000 in the population numbers.

        “The right of the people peaceably to assemble, to consult for the common good, and to petition the government, or any department thereof, shall never be abridged.”

        by Marko the Werelynx on Sat Nov 10, 2012 at 10:07:41 PM PST

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        •  If you go one step further look at the results (1+ / 0-)
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          On the county page.  Actually has 108 k registered voters.  Then go to the census page, forecast for 2011 is 126 k of which 21% is under 18.

          The best analysis would be to find the breakout between " active" and " inactive" voters.

          Takin it to the Streets! time to GOTV

          by totallynext on Sun Nov 11, 2012 at 04:20:15 AM PST

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      •  Or should I have just thrown (1+ / 0-)
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        a LOL at you?

        Haven't had that morning cuppa yet...

        “The right of the people peaceably to assemble, to consult for the common good, and to petition the government, or any department thereof, shall never be abridged.”

        by Marko the Werelynx on Sat Nov 10, 2012 at 10:11:23 PM PST

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        •  LOL! Yeah, I was just wondering if there (3+ / 0-)

          was a reason for an increase in the population that accounted for the higher number on the voter rolls that just doing some basic statistical calculations on the Census data would not have picked up which would explain a larger population growth from 2011 to 2012.

          From 2010 to 2011 the area had a higher growth rate than the state as a whole. Maybe it continued at a faster pace. Did somebody open a factory to make automobile parts and people moved there for new jobs?

          It's frustrating to see people look at a number and declare it fact just because it was published in the paper. I want to know how the newspaper came up with the numbers they published.

          “Mitt Romney is the only person in America who looked at the way this Congress is behaving and said, ‘I want the brains behind THAT operation.’ ” — Tom Perriello

          by hungrycoyote on Sat Nov 10, 2012 at 10:23:11 PM PST

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          •  I found this (3+ / 0-)
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            link to railroad project with CSX. For starters-- there may be quite a bit of other stuff. I guess their Department of Job and Family Services won an award in 2010. Despite the tornadoes, looks like it's an area folks would move to-- they're hiring and investing and building.

            “The right of the people peaceably to assemble, to consult for the common good, and to petition the government, or any department thereof, shall never be abridged.”

            by Marko the Werelynx on Sun Nov 11, 2012 at 01:34:12 AM PST

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            •  Wow! I'm amazed you dug even deeper than (1+ / 0-)
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              I did. Thank you.

              And as HudsonValleyMark and Zwoof point out below there are even more variables that I didn't think to consider.

              “Mitt Romney is the only person in America who looked at the way this Congress is behaving and said, ‘I want the brains behind THAT operation.’ ” — Tom Perriello

              by hungrycoyote on Sun Nov 11, 2012 at 11:29:52 AM PST

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          •  BGSU has over 17,000 students (2+ / 0-)
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            But maybe that's only part of the issue. BGSU's main precincts are 1C and 3C, and turnout in both those precincts was under 30% -- suggesting that a lot of students registered in 2008 and haven't been purged since graduating. Basically all of wards 1 and 2 had low turnout (and 3B had the second lowest turnout in the county) -- maybe due to students, maybe something else.

            At any rate, the low turnout (per registered voter) in those areas suggests that this has more to do with stale registrations than with population growth, although both can contribute.

            It's frustrating to see people look at a number and declare it fact just because it was published in the paper.
            The 2004 election spawned a bunch of similarly superficial factoids that get served up as evidence of fraud favoring Bush.

            Election protection: there's an app for that! -- and a toll-free hotline: 866-OUR-VOTE
            Better Know Your Voting System with the Verifier!

            by HudsonValleyMark on Sun Nov 11, 2012 at 05:25:13 AM PST

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          •  All I can find on this 108% thing... (1+ / 0-)
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            Is right-wing propaganda, no legitimate papers.  I understand we have our own propaganda machine, but at least we're good at math.

      •  Urban flight from Toledo for one (2+ / 0-)
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        and several new companies in Bowling Green and A CSX railroad spur in North Baltimore.

        Also several family members have been hired by a company that has expanded and hired a loyof people.

        When you're born you get a ticket to the freak show. When you're born in America, you get a front row seat. George Carlin

        by Zwoof on Sun Nov 11, 2012 at 06:23:52 AM PST

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  •  Disconnected (10+ / 0-)

    I see this sort of thing all too frequently; people reposting stuff, passing around misinformation without bothering to simply check the facts. For them it's enough that they heard something somewhere, some pundit, some half-remembered rumor...

    Like Romney spewing his nonsense about Jeep moving to China.

    One idiot with pathetic reading comprehension skills barfs up some nonsense and a bunch of their fellow eager idiots eat it up.

    Thanks for this hungrycoyote! Glad I'm "following" you.

    “The right of the people peaceably to assemble, to consult for the common good, and to petition the government, or any department thereof, shall never be abridged.”

    by Marko the Werelynx on Sat Nov 10, 2012 at 09:49:49 PM PST

  •  They're just nutty (3+ / 0-)
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    I'm guessing that a lot of places have this kind of discrepancy between voting age population and registered voters since it takes several election cycles to purge people who have moved or died off the rolls. Those names are still on there while at the same time they're adding people that move in or turn 18 that year & register. You're spot on in that the number to look at is how many people actually voted.

    I've said this a lot about today's Republicans but it always pops into my head. The party seems to be comprised of Emily Litella's except they're not as sweet & they never ever ever say 'never mind'.

    Here's a clip. I can't embed off Hulu & the original clips aren't  on youtube.
    http://www.hulu.com/...

    "Compassion is the radicalism of our time." ~ Tenzin Gyatso, 14th Dalai Lama -7.88, -6.21

    by Siri on Sat Nov 10, 2012 at 10:41:42 PM PST

    •  Thanks for the clip. I haven't seen (3+ / 0-)
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      Gilda doing that character in a long time. Alas, if the problem was just a matter of not hearing correctly. I think we could cure Republicans of that. I just don't even see any point in trying to introduce facts to them anymore.

      I found it more cathartic to write this diary, then trying to engage the person who posted that petition on her Facebook wall. What would be the point? She'd just be back tomorrow, posting something just as ignorant.

      “Mitt Romney is the only person in America who looked at the way this Congress is behaving and said, ‘I want the brains behind THAT operation.’ ” — Tom Perriello

      by hungrycoyote on Sat Nov 10, 2012 at 10:58:37 PM PST

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  •  I'm hoping 25,000 wingnuts do sign the petition. (3+ / 0-)

    Just so the their email addresses are added to Democrat mailing lists.

    ...religion is the smile on a dog...

    by lbl1162 on Sun Nov 11, 2012 at 04:07:52 AM PST

  •  You knew it was bullshit when (2+ / 0-)
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    I had some other possible explanations. Massive registration drives by OFA and other groups, including some Republican organizations. The most recent Census figures were from 2011. That was nearly 2 years ago. People could have moved into the area, especially after filling out the census elsewhere. ANd do you really trust Republican numbers that they just pull out of their ass.

    At best, they are arguing, there was widespread registration fraud in Woods County. Either they are too stupid to know the difference between registration fraud and election fraud, or they think you are.

    •  Excellent point! Was Nathan Sproul (1+ / 0-)
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      and his company Strategic Allied Consulting in charge of the voter registrations for the RNC in Ohio.

      I know that they were doing the registrations in Florida because this is where the voter registration fraud scandal started.

      That's another topic I don't want seen swept under the rug now that the election is over. I want to know who is going to get charged with a crime for what they did.

      “Mitt Romney is the only person in America who looked at the way this Congress is behaving and said, ‘I want the brains behind THAT operation.’ ” — Tom Perriello

      by hungrycoyote on Sun Nov 11, 2012 at 11:38:12 AM PST

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  •  Ummm... Go Falcons? (2+ / 0-)
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    Bowling Green State has what, 15,000 students?  Maybe some of them are, I dunno registered voters but in another Ohio county?

    I'm shocked, shocked to discover that college students might vote!!

    The way to respond to the outrageous is with outrage; the way to respond to the ridiculous is with ridicule.

    by Dan E in Blue Hampshire on Sun Nov 11, 2012 at 05:44:11 AM PST

  •  Such a clear picture of the The Crazy. (2+ / 0-)
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    Please send me an invite to your group.

    Thanks.

    "I believe more women should carry guns. I believe armed women will make the world a better place. Women need to come to think of themselves not as victims but as dangerous." Anna Pigeon

    by glorificus on Sun Nov 11, 2012 at 06:53:42 AM PST

  •  Lawrence County, OH (2+ / 0-)
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    The statistics listed for Lawrence County show the number of registered voters as 49,433, while the voting age population is estimated as 47,801. Romney won that county 57-41.

  •  Oh Please... (1+ / 0-)
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    I have "friends" who have tried to tell me this.  Really?  But, even pointing out the obvious, doesn't stop them!  So I just let them rant.  They'll eventually cry themselves to sleep.  I know I did when Bush really DID steal the election in 2000.  But, they don't want to hear that!  I'm sure the people in the White House right now are better at arithmetic than Paul Ryan is!

    •  My husband's response to anybody who (0+ / 0-)

      complains about President Obama: "I survived four years of George W. Bush; you'll survive four more years of Barack Obama."

      Oh and I saw your request up thread to join the group and am sending you an invite. Thank you!

      “Mitt Romney is the only person in America who looked at the way this Congress is behaving and said, ‘I want the brains behind THAT operation.’ ” — Tom Perriello

      by hungrycoyote on Sun Nov 11, 2012 at 08:26:26 PM PST

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    •  Good golly (0+ / 0-)

      They'll eventually cry themselves to sleep.
      Good golly, Miss Molly, there's a better  way to ball.
      (not bawl)

      Less booing; more voting.

      -- the people are the leaders

      by in on Mon Nov 12, 2012 at 08:32:38 AM PST

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  •  Anyone want to sign my petition? (2+ / 0-)
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    I want to petition to have every Fox News watcher go through deprogramming.  

  •  Wood County, Ohio, had 59,447 people employed (0+ / 0-)

    in the first quarter of 2012.  

    That fits nicely with how many people voted, as not everybody over 18 is employed (obviously) and not everybody votes.

  •  Logic 101: You and others here all FAIL (0+ / 0-)

    "the only question we need to answer is how many people in Wood County actually voted"

    WRONG, WRONG, WRONG !!

    The question that needs to be answered is:  How many of the people who voted were legitimately registered voters vs fraudulently registered voters.

    And I'm not suggesting that any were.  We don't know the answer in this case.  However, we do know in Lucie County, FL which had a 141% turnout - 175,554 registered voters, 247,713 votes cast.  Maybe there's a valid explanation for this.  I haven't seen one put forward anywhere.

    You imply that the only fraud that occured is the 2 Republicans who were arrested.  This is laughable.  When properly conducted, voter fraud doesn't get caught.  It is like concluding that the only students who ever cheated on a test were those who got caught.  Whether it effects the outcome of elections is impossible to say until we take steps to eliminate or reduce it.  Not that I think that petition is going to accomplish anything, but I am sympathetic to it's desire, as should be anyone who wants honest and fair elections.

    According to a Feb Pew Center study (http://www.nytimes.com/...):

    "One in eight active registrations is invalid or inaccurate... there are about 1.8 million dead people listed as active voters. Some 2.8 million people have active registrations in more than one state."

    And from a Sep Columbus Dispatch: http://www.dispatch.com/...

    "More than one out of every five registered Ohio voters is probably ineligible to vote.

    In two counties, the number of registered voters actually exceeds the voting-age population: Northwestern Ohio’s Wood County shows 109 registered voters for every 100 eligible, while in Lawrence County along the Ohio River it’s a mere 104 registered per 100 eligible.

    Another 31 counties show registrations at more than 90 percent of those eligible, a rate regarded as unrealistic by most voting experts. The national average is a little more than 70 percent."
    ...
    "In a Feb. 10 letter, he [Ohio’s chief elections official, Secretary of State Jon Husted] asked U.S. Attorney General Eric Holder for a personal meeting to discuss how to balance seemingly conflicting federal laws so he could pare Ohio’s dirty voter list without removing truly eligible voters.
    ...
    Holder’s office has never replied."

    Gee, I wonder why.  Nothing amiss here at all, right?

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