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With a sweeping election mandate under his belt, President Obama holds a commanding position in the debate over upcoming tax increases and spending cuts. Republican Mitt Romney and Paul Ryan ran on a tag-team of scaremongering centered on the false talking point that but for sweeping and draconian austerity, America will go the way of troubled European economies. Voters rejected that argument at the polls and chose instead to vote for the responsible, pro-growth agenda advocated by the Obama-Biden ticket. That decisive Obama victory should set a firm, bright and progressive starting line for negotiations on the so-called "fiscal cliff."

Robert Reich at Salon:

I hope the president starts negotiations over a “grand bargain” for deficit reduction by aiming high. After all, he won the election. And if the past four years has proven anything it’s that the White House should not begin with a compromise.

Assuming the goal is $4 trillion of deficit reduction over the next decade (that’s the consensus of the Simpson-Bowles commission, the Congressional Budget Office, and most independent analysts), here’s what the president should propose:

First, raise taxes on the rich – and by more than the highest marginal rate under Bill Clinton or even a 30 percent (so-called Buffett Rule) minimum rate on millionaires. Remember: America’s top earners are now wealthier than they’ve ever been, and they’re taking home a larger share of total income and wealth than top earners have received in over 80 years.

Aditya Chakrabortty at The Guardian writes that the left needs to push back against conservative fear-mongering over the "fiscal cliff":
There is just one problem with this version of events: it's exaggerated. Distorted. More spiced-up than a bargain balti.

For a start, the very term is wrong. Even if the most bloodcurdling predictions are borne out, there will be nothing cliff-like about 1 January 2013. Americans are not about to have a collective Wile E Coyote moment, in which they suddenly find themselves paddling furiously in mid-air – before the inevitable descent begins. This isn't a cliff-edge at all; it's more of a slope. [...]

Yet metaphors matter; and so does media noise. Making out that some indescribable calamity is already inked into the calendar allows the right to hijack the Democrats' budget plans even before Obama begins his second term in office. Britons have had some experience of this.

Jonathan Bernstein at The Washington Post:
Barack Obama is reportedly going out on the road to stump for his preferences in the “fiscal cliff” negotiations. It’s not apt to change anything in Washington right now — but it might be a good choice anyway. [...]

[K]eeping Obama’s volunteers engaged and raising the importance of Congress might be helpful for the party, at least on the margins. And taking the fight over the fiscal cliff public should help do that. Republicans might not listen to Democratic activists telling them to surrender to the president, but activists engaged in this fight now are probably more likely to stay engaged and vote in 2014 – and to bring others with them.

Meanwhile, Eric Pooley at Bloomberg examines how President Obama can push for action to address climate change:
1. Feed the conversation. President Obama can start by simply by talking about the issue — adding to the national climate conversation that began in Sandy's wake, and helping Americans connect the dots between emissions, climate change, and extreme weather. After two years of climate silence in America, this conversation is crucial — and if it is going to lead anywhere, it must include voices from business: Insurance companies talking about the cost of climate inaction. Main Street organizations talking about the need for community resilience in the face of severe weather events. Local first responders, who are often volunteers with day jobs in the business community, talking about the deadly weather trends they are experiencing. It is worth remembering that strong business support helped secure passage of the House climate bill in 2009, and though that effort failed in the Senate, no serious legislation can move without the backing of men and women in the engine room of the American economy. To be politically viable, climate solutions must be economically sustainable.
Tom Foreman at CNN looks at lessons the president can learn from Abraham Lincoln:
Lincoln Lesson Two: Be firm, but play nice. Lincoln was no pushover. Despite his legendarily laconic style, Bray says Lincoln had a single-minded ability to steadily exert political pressure on others, inexorably pushing them toward the action he wanted, or rather he felt the nation needed. And yet, he did so in a way that left others feeling unthreatened. "He could talk without anger," Bray says. "He could talk without heat to his political opponents."

Lincoln Lesson Three: Take the long view. Lincoln clearly saw the future in a way that many of his contemporaries could not. He imagined not merely the end of slavery, but also the repercussions that would follow for freed African Americans, southern citizens, and northerners as well. He knew resolution might take many years, and yet he tried to point the politics of the day in the proper direction. "He believed firmly, I think, that if we put our heads to it and we put our wills to it, the American people could be that shining example of equality for the world," Bray says.

On a final note, The Washington Post editorial board gives its take on the resignation of CIA Director David Petraeus:
THE RESIGNATION of David Petraeus as CIA director is a serious blow to the nation’s national security leadership, and it comes at an unfortunate moment. With the expected departure of Secretary of State Hillary Rodham Clinton and a possible reshuffling of senior officials at the National Security Council, President Obama could have benefited particularly from Mr. Petraeus’s knowledge and seasoning as he begins to grapple with second-term challenges in Iran, Afghanistan, Syria and elsewhere. Mr. Petraeus understands those issues as well as any American, and his record of service as a military commander is without equal in his generation.

Given those facts, some have questioned whether Mr. Obama should have accepted Mr. Petraeus’s resignation. The CIA director was found to have committed no crime. Adultery, which he confessed to, is not uncommon, including presumably among his agency’s staff. However, in our view the president made the right call. Mr. Petraeus’s failing was not merely an illicit relationship; he recklessly used a Gmail account to send explicit messages and, as a result, was swept up in an FBI investigation of alleged cyberstalking. Such behavior would not be acceptable in the private sector, or in the military, as Mr. Petraeus recognized.

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  •  Is Robert Reich (7+ / 0-)

    Aware that Obama cannot simply mandate higher taxes and that the only reason they're going to go up is because the tax cuts reach their expiration date?

    http://callatimeout.blogspot.com/

    by DAISHI on Tue Nov 13, 2012 at 04:42:46 AM PST

    •  hahaha...this guy, too (5+ / 0-)
      Lincoln Lesson Three: Take the long view. Lincoln clearly saw the future in a way that many of his contemporaries could not.
      like obama doesn't already do that.  hello?!??

      but thanks for a discussion of the debt situation that's just facts and no "zomg!", Georgia!

      Please don't dominate the rap, Jack, if you got nothin' new to say - Grateful Dead

      by Cedwyn on Tue Nov 13, 2012 at 04:48:01 AM PST

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    •  The GOP thrives by twisting reality & controlling (3+ / 0-)

      the framing of issues.

      "Raising taxes on the rich" = "Income residtribution and fiscal cliff"

      When Obama cut the SS tax on employers a year and a half ago - in an apparent effort to appease the hatefilled republicans that would rather hang him from a tree - we knew they would SCREAM "OBAMA'S RAISING TAXES" when the cut expired.

      They are fucking shameless to well past the point of "evil".

      IF GOP conduct isn't evil, the word simply has no meaning.

      The path of the righteous man is beset on all sides by the inequities of the selfish and the tyranny of evil men.

      by xxdr zombiexx on Tue Nov 13, 2012 at 05:01:16 AM PST

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      •  No, no, no (0+ / 0-)

        Raising taxes on the rich = killing job creation because the rich are all small business owners who are right now planning to spend their money creating new jobs if the IRS doesn't sweep it all out of their hands!

        The elevation of appearance over substance, of celebrity over character, of short term gains over lasting achievement displays a poverty of ambition. It distracts you from what's truly important. - Barack Obama

        by helfenburg on Tue Nov 13, 2012 at 10:03:30 AM PST

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    •  Obama can mandate by veto (1+ / 0-)
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      and thus allow the BUsh tax cuts to expire.  He holds ALL the cards here.

      •  We'll see if Obama gives away half of his cards (1+ / 0-)
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        Laconic Lib

        to the Repubs before betting opens like he did in the last 3.5 years.  

        And who's to say the Repubs need to go along?  Voters' memories are short and they can easily just give Obama the finger like they have done so successfully since 2008, just this time more subtly. I'd bet they in fact do. I'm suspicious of all this optimism about Obama's political capital.  He had it last time and decided to give half of it or more away to the Repubs.

        The trouble with the world is that the stupid are cocksure and the intelligent are full of doubt. Bertrand Russell

        by accumbens on Tue Nov 13, 2012 at 05:33:02 AM PST

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        •  I agree (1+ / 0-)
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          although I don;t think OBama gave away much from his perspective.  He is a dyed in the wool DLC centrist.  He's got political capital but he's more likely to use it to "reform" SS & Medicare than to strengthen ro enhance those programs, to mollify his left to accept tough love, not drive the right where we'd like to see things go.

    •  I'm sorry, did you miss (0+ / 0-)

      the word "PROPOSE" in Reich's article?

      I search in vain for the word "mandate" or any synonym in that article, or anything suggesting that Reich thinks the POTUS can mandate hire taxes.

      And you might check out the final graf of the article (emphasis added by me):

      Mr. President, I’d recommend this as your opening bid. With enough luck and pluck, maybe even your closing bid. And if enough Americans are behind you, it could even be the final deal.
      I'm sorry, did "bid" just suddenly become a synonym for "mandate" when I wasn't looking?

      You did read the article, didn't you?

  •  I'm so tired of this Petraeus thing (9+ / 0-)

    Scandal, scandal, scandal.  When will the talking heads get back to the real issues?

    Thanks for the roundup, Georgia.

    "Religion is what keeps the poor from murdering the rich."--Napoleon

    by Diana in NoVa on Tue Nov 13, 2012 at 04:44:15 AM PST

  •  Let Us All Worship David Petraeus?????? (2+ / 0-)
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    bdop4, Laconic Lib

    He is dishonest about everything in the past couple of decades.  He has a nice retirement.  Glad he is gone.

    If the President does follow Simpson's debt fetish and puts the poor, the middle class and the elderly over the cliff financially, I hope David Petraeus" pension is a casualty also.

  •  Will we change the rules of the Senate? (3+ / 0-)
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    skillet, mightymouse, Laconic Lib

    NYTimes thinks we should, and so do I.

    Remember, you can't have crazy without az.

    by Desert Rose on Tue Nov 13, 2012 at 04:49:41 AM PST

    •  Harry Reid will do this. (2+ / 0-)
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      Count on it.

      Victory is sweet-November 6, 2012

      by al23 on Tue Nov 13, 2012 at 04:51:57 AM PST

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      •  As long as we get our more (1+ / 0-)
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        conservative Democrats lined up behind him, we will. There's the rub.

        But Democrats can’t count on a number of their “old bulls,” as was reflected by a vote just two years ago.

        Udall, Sen. Jeff Merkley (D-Ore.) and Sen. Tom Harkin (D-Iowa) proposed a package of reforms for the 112th Congress that would have eliminated filibusters on motions to proceed to new business. Their package also would have required senators wanting to hold up legislation or nominees to actually hold the floor and debate, and shortened to two hours the time that must elapse after a filibuster on a nominee has been cut off.

        The package failed in a 44-51 vote, with Democratic Sens. Jim Webb (Va.), Max Baucus (Mont.), Herb Kohl (Wis.), Mark Pryor (Ark.), Jack Reed (R.I.) and Reid voting no. Democratic Sens. Dianne Feinstein (Calif.), John Kerry (Mass.) and Daniel Inouye (Hawaii) did not vote.

        http://thehill.com/...

        “We are not a nation that says ‘don’t ask, don’t tell.’ We are a nation that says ‘out of many, we are one.’” -Barack Obama

        by skohayes on Tue Nov 13, 2012 at 05:42:38 AM PST

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  •  Remember when W Bush won re-election with just (5+ / 0-)

    286 electoral votes? What did he say?

    "I earned capital in this campaign, political capital, and now I intend to spend it. That's my style."

    Form follows function -- Louis Sullivan

    by Spud1 on Tue Nov 13, 2012 at 04:55:27 AM PST

  •  Caller to wingnut radio last night: FBI and CIA (6+ / 0-)

    are incompetent...after all...they couldn't prove that Obama was a Kenyan Muslim terrorist.

    GOP has a lot of work to do to repair the twisted minds they've nourished over the last few years.

    •  Outstanding! (4+ / 0-)
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      skillet, Stude Dude, SoCalSal, Laconic Lib

      This sub-race of intellectual derelicts produces some outstanding hilarity.

      That is truly the essence of these fuckwits: they are smarter than anybody else. Just adds to the comedy: these people are absolutely dumber than dogshit but think they outdo the FBI, the CIA, and the FEC.

      it is breathtaking that people this stupid can even get a job.

      The path of the righteous man is beset on all sides by the inequities of the selfish and the tyranny of evil men.

      by xxdr zombiexx on Tue Nov 13, 2012 at 05:12:54 AM PST

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      •  Hey, why do you think the unemployment rate (0+ / 0-)

        is so high?

        The elevation of appearance over substance, of celebrity over character, of short term gains over lasting achievement displays a poverty of ambition. It distracts you from what's truly important. - Barack Obama

        by helfenburg on Tue Nov 13, 2012 at 10:06:06 AM PST

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  •  OK....for the record... this 'fiscal cliff' (6+ / 0-)

    is just another in a long line of GOP framed issues, a totally false term, made to sound scary so they can still get their way, which is to save the fithy rich taxes and savage the safety net as social programs for the commoners, right?

    Just more GOP horseshit, or is there SOME actual reality in it?

    I am somewhat unsure, mostly because I cannot believe how much the GOP gets to determine the framing of issues given how completely delusional and full of shit they are.

    They are always, always, always wrong because they are always always always lying because they are always always always having to be very deceitful because their intentions are always always always nefarious.

    Let me know, please, what I have screwed up in this assessment: When the GOP takes hostages it send my clients - poverty-stricken, living on SSDI, mentally ill and prone to believe anything on TV - into a tizz and I spend group time allaying their fears, rather than working on treatment goals.

    The GOP's actions are outrageously irresponsible and akin to terrorism, AFAIC.

    The path of the righteous man is beset on all sides by the inequities of the selfish and the tyranny of evil men.

    by xxdr zombiexx on Tue Nov 13, 2012 at 04:58:30 AM PST

  •  When I see ... (3+ / 0-)

    ... "Social Security" within even remote proximity to this ridiculous deficit conversation, my blood pressure shoots up.

    May we disconnect back to reality, please? Leaders need to explain this to people before we travel many more miles.

  •  That CNN piece was so odd. (0+ / 0-)

    Make your enemies into friends!?  Lincoln was so good at that and he got shot by an enemy in the process?  Oh dear me.

    •  But those who conspired against Lincoln (1+ / 0-)
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      are not honored.  His effort to reconcile disparate factions and personalities is commendable and should be held high.  

      A lot of high school students don't see what the big deal is with Lincoln. They sit through their history classes in a half-coma.

      History generally and Lincoln particularly is owed more than that.  His model of citizenship is a component of their adulthood whether they are generous of spirit enough to acknowledge it or not.

    •  Lincoln was a lesson in trying to domesticate (2+ / 0-)
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      dianamherrera, Laconic Lib

      you goddamned enemies.

      Enemies are enemies. That's why we coined the term.

      Republicans ARE the enemy and all the bleeding heart emotionalism and desire by some to hug these freaks like they are some sort of lost basket of puppies is fucking sickening.

      They will rip your face off no matter how warm and fuzzy your thoughts are about them.

      Rabid dogs aren't cuddly.

      The path of the righteous man is beset on all sides by the inequities of the selfish and the tyranny of evil men.

      by xxdr zombiexx on Tue Nov 13, 2012 at 05:15:49 AM PST

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  •  Thank you -- Hadn't seen the Foreman (3+ / 0-)
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    piece on Lincoln, but would hope a hell of a lot of Republicans read it, and come these next few weekends also decide to take in Spielberg's film Lincoln -- as a tripswitch for a national dialogue on any number of pertinent topics.  

    Lincoln walked through a great fire.  His political party in the current era barely resembles anything he stood for.  In the metaphor of one writer, the Republican Party, though badly muddied and polluted, is a stream which nevertheless has snow at its source.  

    The Republicans have some serious work to do.  They dishonor the 16th president if they don't do it.  

  •  Best way to deal with the "Fiscal Slope" (6+ / 0-)

    is to allow January 1st, 2013 to pass and let those Bush/Obama Tax Cuts die. Any negotiation during the lame duck session will end in a raw deal for the working class. Let the tax cuts expire, then propose new ones for anyone making under $250k a year.

    But that makes too much sense and the Austerian sociopaths are out with their long knives, ready to stab anyone who isn't already wealthy in the back. That free money from the Social Safety Net would look so much better in their Wall Street casino, they think. Sick, but true.

    I could give a toss about the Petraeus situation. But he was the Village's golden boy, and they'll love getting into every bit of his and his mistresses' private lives to get a story. They love to build people up and watch their collapse with sadistic glee. Outside of their cocktail parties and backroom dealings, these people have no lives of their own.

    The Petraeus deal is their version of Jersey Shore, and they're going to enjoy it. So good luck getting actual news outside of Maddow, Hayes, Uygur, Sharpton, Granholme, Spitzer, and Harris-Perry.

    The rule is, "don't be a dick" - kos

    by cybrestrike on Tue Nov 13, 2012 at 05:05:00 AM PST

    •  If the sociopaths want to reduce the deficit, (1+ / 0-)
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      I suggest we start with the Congressional pensions and health plans.

      Our elected officials should have the same degree of coverage that all Americans do.

      And since the states are unilaterally cancelling pension agreements, no reason why Congressional and Presidential pensions should also be cut, or eliminated.

      If a free society cannot help the many who are poor, it cannot save the few who are rich. John F. Kennedy ( inaugural address, January 20, 1961)

      by Outraged Mom on Tue Nov 13, 2012 at 07:49:11 AM PST

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  •  If Georgia secedes from the USA (2+ / 0-)
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    I'll be moving to Washington State.

    Colorado has a bunch on numbnuts who want to secede too.

    This whole wingnut effort to secede is little more than a tantrum but nitwits, baggers, birthers, deather, Kenya Conspiracists and people so stupid we really should prevent them from breeding.

    Possibly even cull them from the general population as they are collectively lowering the human IQ. Something must be done to keep their Stupid from infecting the whole human race.....

    The path of the righteous man is beset on all sides by the inequities of the selfish and the tyranny of evil men.

    by xxdr zombiexx on Tue Nov 13, 2012 at 05:07:07 AM PST

  •  What I want to know................ (3+ / 0-)

    is what occurs on 1/1/13 that Congress and the POTUS cannot FIX THROUGH REASONABLE COMPROMISE after Orange man secures his speakership on 1/3/2013?

    The middle class cuts can be reinstated, the payroll tax suspension can be continued, the unemployment coverage can be extended, and the sequestration, deficit and debt ceiling can be address outside a rational, less than Hair-on-Fire panic.

    Granted, Wall Street may get a case of the Vapors for a few weeks but that can be reversed.  We must not forget that the increased revenue stemming from the end of the Bush Tax cuts on 1/1/13 is a good thing deficit-wise.  We need to dare the Rethugs to oppose a tax cut on Americans making under $250K.

    The mass of men lead lives of quiet desperation--HDT

    by cazcee on Tue Nov 13, 2012 at 05:07:40 AM PST

  •  John Kerry will end up Sec of State (1+ / 0-)
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    This Defense Secretary stuff is a smokescreen. Fwiw, Deval Patrick was with the President on Friday night in Washington, probably discussing how to handle this back in Massachusetts.

  •  Obama on road to stump for his budget plan (3+ / 0-)
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    mightymouse, al23, Stude Dude

    if it includes cuts to SS & Medicare I don't think he's going to play very well in Peoria, or anywhere else.

    But glad he's going to give affected folks the chance to let him hear their views.

  •  Dear Joe Scarborough.....In a 'Post 911 World'... (3+ / 0-)

    who knows what powers the investigative arms of the federal government have?.....Remember the Patriot Act?

  •  So I was listening to the radio yesterday about (12+ / 0-)

    the "huge" disaster relief aid package that Cuomo was proposing for New York and the [obligatory] Republican Talking Head Reaction was how totally unreasonable it was and that New York should not even think that the country might toss $30 billion their way . . . and I kept thinking . . . New York doesn't get their tax money back, they are subsidizing the Republican states . . . they damn well better get $30 billion.  And a few billion more if they need it.

    I am so disgusted by the Republican obsession with money and fake fairness.

    "Let's see what fresh fuckwittery these dolts can contrive to torment themselves with this time." -- Iain Banks, The Hydrogen Sonata

    by Rikon Snow on Tue Nov 13, 2012 at 05:19:19 AM PST

  •  In today's edition of "Did I just hear?" (7+ / 0-)

    Did I just hear Joe Scarborough go off a a rant about  the horrors of a fishing expedition related to a politician/political appointees private life and affair?

    I know I didn't just hear that...somebody please tell me I am hearing things...

    "Small Businesses Don't Build Levees" - Melissa Harris Perry

    by justmy2 on Tue Nov 13, 2012 at 05:21:43 AM PST

  •  And btw (1+ / 0-)
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    The President's decision to not make wiretapping and NSLs harder to get, or eliminated completely because they are unconstitutional, may come back to bite him in the butt....because of a REPUBLICAN...

    The law of unintended consequences...I really don't want to wind up in a I told you so moment....

    "Small Businesses Don't Build Levees" - Melissa Harris Perry

    by justmy2 on Tue Nov 13, 2012 at 05:23:46 AM PST

  •  Acid test .... (5+ / 0-)
    And if the past four years has proven anything it’s that the White House should not begin with a compromise.
    If they pre-compromise/pre-capitulate on this one, nothing has changed except for the new and transient Obama of re-e-lec-tion season.  I'd love to be wrong, but I'm not optimistic.

    The trouble with the world is that the stupid are cocksure and the intelligent are full of doubt. Bertrand Russell

    by accumbens on Tue Nov 13, 2012 at 05:24:04 AM PST

  •  Now comes the reckoning (1+ / 0-)
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    for Republicans.
    First, oh how they failed:

    Stop running against things and start running for things: “We have entirely defined ourselves over the last several years as the ‘not Obama’ party,” said Todd Harris, a veteran Republican consultant. “At the same time, few GOP candidates have given people any positive rationale to vote Republican, beyond that we’re against Obama.”
    The 2012 election proved that the Obama campaign’s neighbor-to-neighbor grassroots targeting and mobilization approach was vastly superior to the more traditional GOP turnout operation, which relies heavily on a series of automated phone calls to voters. (The failure of the Romney campaign’s ORCA program simply highlighted the huge gap between Democrats and Republicans in terms of ground operation.)

    How do you spend a billion [dollars] and get less voters to the poll than 2008,” asked Saul Anuzis, a former Michigan Republican party chairman and one-time candidate for the chairmanship of the Republican National Committee.

    The last two elections at the Senate level have exposed the problem with nominating the wrong person. In Nevada, Delaware and Colorado in 2010 and Indiana and Missouri in 2012, Senate Republicans got the least electable general election candidate out of the primary process and watched as five very winnable races were lost.

    “We need to allow the party to do everything it can to stop sure losers from winning primaries,” said Bolger. Law echoed that sentiment: “The one consistent refrain I’m hearing is the need to dramatically improve candidate quality, especially in the Senate.  Republicans have an almost insurmountable hill to climb to retake the Senate in 2014, but they won’t even get close unless we do a much better job of recruiting, vetting and selecting candidates.”
    http://www.washingtonpost.com/...

    “We are not a nation that says ‘don’t ask, don’t tell.’ We are a nation that says ‘out of many, we are one.’” -Barack Obama

    by skohayes on Tue Nov 13, 2012 at 05:56:29 AM PST

  •  It's not a Fiscal Cliff (1+ / 0-)
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    It's more of a Budget Bluff.

    I will also accept "Economic Escarpment."

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    by JayC on Tue Nov 13, 2012 at 06:11:06 AM PST

  •  Strange, that WaPo editorial clip. (0+ / 0-)

    So the WaPo editorial board considers illicit emails to be a greater error than adultery and therefore Petraeus must resign because of the emails?  

    The sh*t those people [republicans] say just makes me weep for humanity! - Woody Harrelson

    by SoCalSal on Tue Nov 13, 2012 at 07:13:41 AM PST

  •  Thanks to Eric Cantor (0+ / 0-)

    Rep. Cantor's zeal to expose what he hoped was a scandal damaging to Pres. Obama has brought down Gen. Petraeus. It has also seriously damaged the Republicans' effort to use the Benghazi attacks against the President. They can call Gen. Petraeus to testify at the congressional hearings, but he will do so as a disgraced witness, who appears to have been more interested in his love affair than in doing his job. Benghazi happened on his watch and his credibility on that topic is permanently compromised. It is also likely that he has permanently damaged any political aspirations he had.

    •  No one was even thinking that Benghazi might (0+ / 0-)

      have involved Petraeus before this.  Now it's front and center - it's about a Republican pet and not Obama!  Now it's a completely different story.  Further bitter disappointment for Repubs.  Aw, too bad!

      The elevation of appearance over substance, of celebrity over character, of short term gains over lasting achievement displays a poverty of ambition. It distracts you from what's truly important. - Barack Obama

      by helfenburg on Tue Nov 13, 2012 at 10:10:07 AM PST

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  •  WaPo is full of it (0+ / 0-)

    Funny how a guy can release all this info regarding day-to-day stuff going on in Afghanistan, none of which was classified higher than Secret/No Foreign, and people want him executed.

    Now we find the head of the entire CIA might be a conduit of seriously secret stuff and they want to keep him?

    I worked for a year in Afghanistan as the senior analyst of the 203rd Regional Corps Assistance Group. I know what sort of "secrets" which got release to WikiLeaks. They are minor and in most cases only secret because the DoD over-classifies EVERYTHING. In fact, seeing a lot of that info makes it easier for those outside the military to see a lot of the real ground truth.

    That is a BIG difference from info you could get from careless pillow-take from the HEAD OF THE FRICKIN' CIA!  So where are the calls for Patraeus and his biographer to be tried for treason and put to death?

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