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The people who are all pouting that their guy didn't win the election and Branco Bama is going to tax them to death, instill Sharia Law, etc... You know, the usual stuff we roll our eyes at.

But let's examine what it means to renounce your citizenship. The process has already been mentioned here.

When you renounce your citizenship, you also no longer receive any protections and benefits from the United States government that you are normally entitled to. Being a citizen of no country also means that if you go to another country, get into trouble with their law, you are pretty much SOL... Unless the country means good about its due process. Which is why, US citizens, if you get into trouble with foreign laws, you need to absolutely insist on getting in contact with the United States consulate or embassy - NO MATTER WHAT. Stick to your guns on that!

If you just drive down to the closest place and renounce your citizenship to the diplomatic officer without any forethought as to where you will live, then you'll find yourself in a pretty tough place. Next, food, money, friends, your church, hauling your other possessions. Get the idea? It's an expensive logistics problem, not just a paperwork problem.

If you want to succeed at renouncing your citizenship, you should try and become a citizen of another country. Preferably of your liking but seeing how most of the 1st world countries have systems like SINGLE PAYER HEALTHCARE and HIGHER TAXES, you might be stuck with trying to become a citizen of Indonesia. Political asylum? Work visa? Might or might not work. Worse comes to worse, you might become a part of the human trafficking operation as the traffickee, not the trafficker.

Ask a legal immigrant of any country on how to become a legal citizen of said other country. I vaguely remember some Facebook investor who renounced his citizenship, but only well after he received his Singaporean one.

Cheers, and good luck leaving this country.

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  •  As One Who Started to Emigrate From US, (4+ / 0-)

    snagged by family obligations, most Americans probably can't get into any country they'd want to live in.

    Other countries invest in their citizens with policies such as national health, labor rights, cheap or free education and so on. They protect that investment against being harmed by waves of immigrants coming in.

    For Canada where we were applying, you had to have a job waiting for you that a Canadian couldn't fill. THat's a very high hurdle. And they don't take self-employers either, as I understood the requirement, unless it's in some type of activity relating to Canadian cultural heritage.

    If you're bringing in a business that will hire Canadians, they're more interested, but that's not most Americans.

    You also have to pass FBI background check, and you must never have had a DUI.

    You'll also have to demonstrate some fluency in --gasp!-- French.

    I forget whether you need to know Canadian history. I can imagine wingers choking on the part about Canada winning the War of 1812.

    We are called to speak for the weak, for the voiceless, for victims of our nation and for those it calls enemy.... --ML King "Beyond Vietnam"

    by Gooserock on Wed Nov 14, 2012 at 10:45:00 AM PST

    •  Canada's "regular immigration" rules are (2+ / 0-)
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      quite strict. Most people who emigrate there, do so on the basis of family already residing in Canada, or as refugees from the more miserable parts of the world, as the criteria are relaxed considerably in those cases.

      Visit Lacking All Conviction, your patch of grey on those too-sunny days.

      by eataTREE on Wed Nov 14, 2012 at 11:06:35 AM PST

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      •  Ways other than "regular immigration" (0+ / 0-)

        Canada's regular immigration rules can be quite strict, though if you happen to be an American neurosurgeon your odds are pretty good.

        But over the years Canada has looked for ways to facilitate entry of people whose skills are needed.

        One of the methods for doing that is that all the provinces except Quebec—which runs its own immigration program—have provincial nominee programs. Provincial governments make the decisions about which immigrants they are keen to attract. The skills in high demand in one province may be in lower demand elsewhere.

        The provincial nominee program determines whether a particular aspiring migrant is someone it wants, and, if so, the program asks the federal government to accept that person.

        All the standard rules for medical and security screening apply, but not the screening for the person's skills or job prospects. By putting this person's name forward, the provincial program has covered the question of whether he or she is needed or not.

        If accepted by first the PNP and then by Canada Immigration, the person enters as a landed immigrant—not as a temporary foreign worker.

        There is an important catch: someone who wants to apply by way of a provincial nominee program has to start there. Someone who has already applied to CIC cannot switch to the provincial system. (At least that's the way it was the last time i checked.)

        As noted, Quebec runs its own immigration program. Applicants fluent in French often find it far easier to be accepted by Quebec. Applicants who have young children are especially appreciated—the more the better.

        I've heard it said that it is a lot easier for a francophone Moroccan secretary to be accepted by Quebec than for an English-speaking secretary from just about anywhere to be accepted by the federal government.

    •  Shhh. (0+ / 0-)
      Other countries invest in their citizens with policies such as national health, labor rights, cheap or free education and so on. They protect that investment against being harmed by waves of immigrants coming in.
      We wouldn't want any Americans getting such crazy ideas.

      "Two things are infinite: the universe and human stupidity, and I am not sure about the universe." -- Albert Einstein

      by Neuroptimalian on Wed Nov 14, 2012 at 04:21:29 PM PST

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  •  Oh please don't discourage them (3+ / 0-)
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    I think they'll absolutely thrive in the libertarian paradise of Somalia!  

    "Injustice wears ever the same harsh face wherever it shows itself." - Ralph Ellison

    by KateCrashes on Wed Nov 14, 2012 at 10:46:22 AM PST

  •  Seriously, Spain is offering residency to (2+ / 0-)
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    True North, theRoaringGirl

    anyone who purchases property worth more than 250,000 euros. RWers might find southern Spain (around Sevilla) to be to their liking, seeing as that area supported Franco and many still worship him today.

    •  Residency leading to citizenship? (1+ / 0-)
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      Deejay, thanks for this information—not that I'm thinking of moving to Spain.

      Does this type of residency put one on track for citizenship?

      IIRC, Costa Rica and Mexico are quite willing to accept people as long-term residents but without expectation of eventual citizenship.

      Those wanting to renounce U.S. citizenship need to do what that new Singaporean did: get naturalized somewhere else.

      (And, IIRC, that new Sinaporean, erstwhile American, was a naturalized citizen who was Brazilian by birth.)

  •  I am a dual citizen (3+ / 0-)
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    I settled in the USA just in time to experience eight years of George W. Bush -- what great timing!

    I repeatedly said in the days leading up to the election, that I was one of the few people who actually, legally, could move to another country if the election didn't go their way, and that I would certainly do no such thing. Making empty threats like that is a great way to convey the message that, on the inside, you're still a five-year-old.

    Visit Lacking All Conviction, your patch of grey on those too-sunny days.

    by eataTREE on Wed Nov 14, 2012 at 11:03:44 AM PST

    •  On the other hand (1+ / 0-)
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      If fundamental liberties are on the line, something which happened in historically civilized places last century, then it's prudent to get out before the border closes.

      Imagine, if you will, the powers asserted by George W. Bush, wielded by a president like Richard Nixon.

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